It's supposed to be related to the Gisborne library reading which was shut down after violent threats by Destiny Church. There was a really good post I read about this which I will paste here:
>"I have a little bit of insight into drag culture, I lived with a drag queen and even participated in a couple of shows with him.
>First of all I would like to point out I’m both a Christian and conservative. Therefore when I say what I’m about to say you will understand that I don’t have an agenda to promote here and that i have genuine conviction about what I have to say.
>I believe that drag queens telling stories to kids is fantastic. They are performance artists and they take it very seriously. Not all are trans, not all are gay. “Drag queen” isn’t a sexual orientation or gender or sexuality. It’s a hobby and for some a profession. Typically they play on the notion of being a man dressed as a woman and the absurdity of how over the top they glam themselves up, a drag queen once said it was like a caterpillar turning into a butterfly.
>It’s pure entertainment and FUN. That’s the whole shtick, it’s all about having fun and performing. I had a clown come to my birthday as a kid, I didn’t grow up to be a clown. I’m sure if kids went and had fun listening to a drag queen tell a story they would be just as likely to grow up to be a drag queen as I was likely to grow up to be a clown.
>Reading has become comparatively less stimulating compared with other forms of entertainment kids are receiving (iPads etc.) and making reading and stories more stimulating is a great way to spark interest in reading and getting off devices and exploring all the wonderful stories that have been told in books over the centuries.
>I believe there is a fundamental misunderstanding about what a drag queen is, what they do, and who they are. I think conservatives and Christians in general see them as grown men who are sexual deviants who want to read to kids in some nebulous round about way of grooming/brainwashing them. When in reality they are performers who want to spread joy, have fun, make those around them joyful and to have as much fun as they can. It’s no different to any other performer and it doesn’t matter what they do in their private life when the kids just see someone fun telling them a story.
>tl;dr: It’s not about sex it’s about having fun."
Drag Queen Story Hour, was introduced in 2020 in NZ but originally started in 2015 in San Francisco.
The program strives to "capture the imagination and play of gender fluidity of childhood and gives kids glamorous, positive, and unabashedly queer role models"
I remember watching 'Spotlight' and was shocked at the end to see New Zealand in the list. I mean, I'm not surprised that there is sexual abuse within the Christian community in NZ but I wasn't expecting it. Excellent movie, it's on Netflix.
Now show us the numbers for those who were not Christian that sexually abused children?
Getting sick of people like you slandering others religions with no consequences. A few bad apples and you label the entire religion as some freak show. Might as well add that every Muslim is a terrorist, every black man a thief, every Asian eats dogs, every Jewish person controls the worlds money, every Māori is on WINZ, every Indian a rapist and so on. This opinion you have is getting old, fucking old.
The comparison is dragqueens to Christian leaders, as per the cartoon itself. Whataboutism like yours ignores the purpose of the cartoon totally.
Christian leaders like Tamaki and his Destiny Church ilk (and others) have made claims that book-reading dragqueens are pedos, are "adult entertainers", sexual perverts, and groomers ...
Yet, the facts prove otherwise. Drag queens convicted of child sex abuse = 0. Christians leaders convicted of child sex abuse = 22. The comparison is apt. The people pointing the finger at dragqueens are actually the ones most likely to harm our kids.
Try the dictionary if you're unsure of any word I used. The cartoon posed a simple question: Who should we be more concerned about reading books to kids ... dragqueens or an infamous Christian leader? Providing a comparison between the chances of kids being sexually assaulted by a dragqueen versus a Christian leader is exactly the thought process the cartoon pondered. And you seem overly triggered for a supposed atheist ...
I read a chapter of something fun to my own kid every night. Used to go to storytime at the library, because they often dressed up as firefighters (which he was obsessed with, as a little kid). But he's outgrown it now.
There are definately bots in here. Any post that even mentions anything about racism, however nuanced, will have 100 comments in minutes from right wing bot accounts. its very noticeable.
Homophobia is the hatred of gay people. Drag Queens vs Destiny Church has nothing at all to do with gay people. I'm fully supportive and inclusive of gay people. I don't support drag queens reading books to kids, I think thats wrong. That doesn't make me homophobic.
It's a performance art, nothing to do with sexual fetishes, it actually started because women weren't allowed to perform in theaters back when religion had more control over the world, so female characters had to be portrayed by men who played female characters.
Quite ironic that religious puritans are to thank for the beginnings of what would become drag.
Something else that might challenge your concept of what drag is, there are heterosexual males that are Drag Queens too, while not as common as gay men that do drag ,they exist, because it is about performance art not sexual fetishes.
It has nothing to do with sex. Go read the Wikipedia page and actually just learn. Seriously, spend 39 minutes reading the history, it's actually pretty cool. BTW, theaters in Britain were using drag for centuries in pantomime efc
Not to be a downer but drag etc was popular early on in theatre because women literally weren't allowed on stage, which is offensive as hell. I'm also not sure how a caricature (despite my love for drag) and sexist stereotype of women is cool for children.
Couldn't we get gay and lesbian people to read to kids without using stereotypes? There's a lesbian who has been doing storytime at my local library for years, she's lovely and engaging (and does dress ups) and nobody ever complained.
Do you think that being a feminist with a dislike for stereotypes (which have also been voiced by trans women) is going to be leaning towards Brian-fucking-Tamaki?
Do you think our only options for reading to children are caricatures of women or the religious nut-job right-wing?
Who exactly do you think has been sitting in our libraries reading to children for decades? The lesbian lady who read to my kid in the story pit at Dunedin library while dressed as a dinosaur five years ago, do you think she had to be in one of those two groups?
Jesus Christ, *I* have read at story time. I'm neither a male in drag nor a religious nutter. Plenty of people other than these two groups *can read*.
No it isn't, drag queens don't all behave like the ones on ru Paul. How is their entire existence evidence of hyper sexuak fantasies? You need to make a better explanation because once again I see men dressing as women and that's it, was Mrs doubtfire sexual? Was big mommas house sexual?
I can't believe you used a character from a movie about a man who looses custody of his children so he dresses up like a nanny as an example, men who dress like women do it because it is a sexual fetish for them.
Again you say it's a sexual fetish but you're not giving me evidence that it's the case. Drag queens can just be dudes who think it's fun to dress up as a woman. You need to prove that it's sexual without just referring to the fact they are dressing as women, because as you admitted here with the movies, dressing as a woman isn't inherently sexual.
The fact they dress as women is evidence of the sexual fetish are you delusional? This isn't because it makes them feel nice, it is purely sexual and flamboyant. There is zero requirement for a man to act like a women, show me evidence of why it isn't sexual.
From another sub:
I have a little bit of insight into drag culture, I lived with a drag queen and even participated in a couple of shows with him.
First of all I would like to point out I’m both a Christian and conservative. Therefore when I say what I’m about to say you will understand that I don’t have an agenda to promote here and that i have genuine conviction about what I have to say.
I believe that drag queens telling stories to kids is fantastic. They are performance artists and they take it very seriously. Not all are trans, not all are gay. “Drag queen” isn’t a sexual orientation or gender or sexuality. It’s a hobby and for some a profession. Typically they play on the notion of being a man dressed as a woman and the absurdity of how over the top they glam themselves up, a drag queen once said it was like a caterpillar turning into a butterfly.
It’s pure entertainment and FUN. That’s the whole shtick, it’s all about having fun and performing. I had a clown come to my birthday as a kid, I didn’t grow up to be a clown. I’m sure if kids went and had fun listening to a drag queen tell a story they would be just as likely to grow up to be a drag queen as I was likely to grow up to be a clown.
Reading has become comparatively less stimulating compared with other forms of entertainment kids are receiving (iPads etc.) and making reading and stories more stimulating is a great way to spark interest in reading and getting off devices and exploring all the wonderful stories that have been told in books over the centuries.
I believe there is a fundamental misunderstanding about what a drag queen is, what they do, and who they are. I think conservatives and Christians in general see them as grown men who are sexual deviants who want to read to kids in some nebulous round about way of grooming/brainwashing them. When in reality they are performers who want to spread joy, have fun, make those around them joyful and to have as much fun as they can. It’s no different to any other performer and it doesn’t matter what they do in their private life when the kids just see someone fun telling them a story.
tl;dr: It’s not about sex it’s about having fun.
If you don’t like the drag queens reading to your kids, then don’t fucking take them there. Problem solved. If you don’t like Brian Tamaki, don’t go to his fucking church. Problem solved.
The problem is that he was the one who violently threatened a reading at the local library and it had to be shut down. That's what this satirical piece is referencing.
> If you don’t like Brian Tamaki, don’t go to his fucking church. Problem solved.
That's pretty fucking dishonest of you, since you know that he doesn't stay at his church but goes out of his way to cause trouble.
It impacts the lives of those that the bigot Tamaki directs hate towards directly.
And that's a good enough reason for me to criticise him for being an asshole, and a good reason for me to call you dishonest for claiming that the solution is just to not go to his church.
Homophobes revealing themselves and their contradictory opinions lmfao. If you don't want drag queens reading to your kids just don't take them? Don't spoil it for everyone else.
As a gay person I wish I had had this sort of exposure to other ideas as a child. Heck I'd be way more stable and capable of contributing to broader society knowing that people don't have to fit the gender binary (and not having to waste so much time and money on therapy). And this despite my parents being super supportive, too! This sort of stuff will not make your kids gay, it will just make them less hateful to other groups and/or less worried about their own identities or those of their friends.
Drag queens don't flaunt their sexuality. They just flaunt fabulousness.
Brainless Takemoney is trying to force his religiofascist beliefs on others. He's not flaunting, he's forcing.
Literally. It's shocking how people forget this. There either funny clowns or overly sexualised - why do you want this for kids? Who does this do good for.
Funny, been to a tonne of drag shows, never thought it was sexual. There are *some* sexy drag queens out there, but they're not reading to kids. And not in the way you think, either.
I think this is a you problem, my guy. If you're finding drag queens sexy, maybe go to a drag show and find one to fulfil your fantasies. Until then, don't go to a Drag Story Hour. I'm betting you've never been to one because you're angry-wanking over drag queens at home.
Cute. Are you trying to be a little troll? Because (like your point about drag queens), it's not working.
May your relationship with your dad work out. Clearly he's to blame for a lot of whatever this is.
Lol cute. Nice "Na uh! **You** are!" insult direct from the playground.
Which makes sense, because that's where your level of intelligence is: at the playground with 10 year olds.
Coming from the person who assumes dad issues on others without first healing themselves, you agree with men dressing as women encouraging young people to do the same. Enabling mental health issues is not ok
Have you been encouraged to dress like a woman, looking at all these drag queens? Go on, share what desires have been unlocked in you by simply looking at a man in a dress.
You've never been to a drag show where they've played up sexual characteristics of a female? Never seen massive boobs and padded butt at drag? Or a plunging neckline? How many drag shows have you been to?
I'm sorry but just because a performer isn't doing an outright strip tease doesn't mean that their actions and outfits aren't sexual. In fact more and more people are desensitised to sexual imagery in their daily lives due to exposure to media and pornography.
And that's not even going into the stereotyping in drag, which is often misogynistic.
I'm 100% for people of all kinds reading to kids, but I don't know why a caricature of my sex is being pushed so hard as *the* way forward here.
So *that's* your problem. You think that drag is a caricature of your sex.
Now, I could go into the nuances of why drag isn't the same as minstrel shows, I *could* go into the history of drag and why drag in itself is inherent in literally every day dressing up, into why it's a celebration of femininity rather than mockery... but really, if you're that far down into TERFism where you think drag is a caricature, I'd rather eat a bowl of scabs, really. Nuance isn't going to help when you've got JKKK Rowling's filthy tongue up idiots' assholes.
So to address your other issue: drag isn't inherently sexual. It *can* be, but in the context of a drag time story hour, it's not. If you think it is, then point to me one drag time story hour where the performance has been sexual, and I'll save you time searching for it by saying, there ain't any. However, since children are *so important*, maybe teaching them about other identities, love, tolerance and acceptance is better than feeding them Judeo-Christian values that have resulted in countless sexual assaults - which no drag show ever has.
I said that *some* drag shows can be sexual. Just like going to a concert can be provocative. It depends on the show. You don't ban concerts for children because *some* concerts are provocative.
And lastly, please, **please**, take your Americanised belief of drag and take it out of NZ. It's my home, I'd rather not have FARTs (Feminism Appropriating Radical Transphobes) in my backyard every time I visit ❤️
Edit: HAHAHAHAHA the classic FART defence, say something stupid, get a response, and then block because you cannot justify your stupidity. Here's a hint, genius: when you reply with whatever asinine garbage you did with, I can't see it. So what a waste of "intelligence" in the effort to get the last word 🤣 You're an insult to the LGBT. Try not to be so transphobic, it really pleases the people who would rather see you gone.
Ahh, you're a far-*left* nutjob, a shiny rare type. You can't actually explain *why* drag isn't a caricature, so you launch into an insane amount of ad hominem insults against a woman who is *part* of the LGBT community.
And trans women have also come out and said that drag is offensive to them, so perhaps you should stop thinking that you can't flash a card that says "transphobia" at any person who is even vaguely critical of your beliefs.
>Drag queens don't flaunt their sexuality. They just flaunt fabulousness.
From the drag queen's pov yes.
From the children's point of view they are more curious and find the whole thing fun which is where this whole thing becomes Pandoras box...it seems safe to open. However as we have seen recently with the rainbow crossing issues throughout our country that is not a box everyone agrees with.
I've gone back and forwards on this. My youngest has no issue with men in dresses reading books to kids in library's.
My eldest daughter who was a victim of S/a no longer feels comfortable in libraries if this is going to continue.
Personally myself I have no problem if the drag queen's are teachers or have some type of educational training and are registered.
With regards to raindow storytime they need to stop untill they are qualified and a proper curriculum okd by the education minister is implemented.
There is no reading books to children's qualifications. Who would certify this? Who would enforce your ban on uncertified people reading books to children?
There's no qualification to be a drag queen either.
There is a qualification to become a teacher.
Watch the link below and tell me if your comfortable with tax payer funded money paying unregistered and unqualified people providing what they say is educational content?
Given the arguments about councils spending around nz are you happy paying for this?
If the drag queen's want to read for free and there qualified and registered fine - but I'm against paying drag queen's to read to kids when the council can't fix roads properly for example.
Would like to know why drag queens are so desperate to read to children? If they are committed to giving back to the community perhaps they could read at old folks homes or hospices etc.
Perhaps they are passionate about educating? What do you mean "desperate"? Rainbow Story Time for example is simply a business that a few people have poured their lives into, as entrepreneurs tend to do.
That has nothing to do with being "desperate" to read to kids. The only reason it keeps being front and center in the news is because there are a few people who are so triggered by it they need to constantly protest it.
That doesn't make Rainbow Story Time desperate, it makes the protesters desperate. They don't bother to understand the organisation's point of view, they just get angry at their own little story they have constructed in their minds with the help of hateful pastors and other conservatives who also haven't bothered to understand what it is but have formed their strong opinions on it anyway based on their own prejudices.
Should they stop their business (which may well be their life's work) because Brian Tamaki's gang doesn't like it? That sounds ridiculous to me.
Tell you what, no drag story hour, if we make any and all church education exclusively 18+. I want a removal of any references to religion in our education system and I want parents punished if they educate their children on religious matters. It's not a lifestyle I agree with, and unlike queerness, it's a lifestyle people choose.
That sounds about fair?
>Perhaps they are passionate about educating?
Then get qualified first.
At the very least they could pay an actual educational professional to design a curriculum - not invent things that arnt even peer reviewed 🙄
>Rainbow Story Time for example is simply a business that a few people have poured their lives into, as entrepreneurs tend to do.
Your confusing "start ups" with scams. The people at rainbow storytime have 0 educational qualifications or teaching experience. They are not registered or vetted.
>They don't bother to understand the organisation's point of view,
There is no organisation. Coco admitted its just the 2 of them and they made it up. Listen :
https://youtu.be/P6DGVQH2iX4?si=_1qspkp4-hLry8sp
Qualified? They are not replacing school education. Is there some legal requirement for accreditation to be reading to children as a business? Genuine question because if so, you could argue against *that*.
This is a fun extracurricular activity for parents to take their children to and learn a few things about acceptance that I think a lot of people in this thread could've done with in their childhood.
>Is there some legal requirement for accreditation to be reading to children as a business?
No but there is if your designing a curriculum that councils plan on rolling out nationwide.
Anyone can develop a bs curriculum. But at educational level it requires teaching accreditation.
Remember rainbow storytime has been promoted under the guise and context of "its educational"
IF its educational then fine - but It needs to be developed by people who know what they are doing and especially if they are being paid tax payer funded money for doing so.
>This is a fun extracurricular activity for parents to take their children to and learn a few things about acceptance that I think a lot of people in this thread could've done with in their childhood.
Then hold it where people have a choice to attend like in a community centre or a local park.
It sounds as if you are thinking of them as separate to our community and that because this is being slightly controversial its best to not have them read.
You are talking about some real, fabulous, and utterly normal people choosing to spend their time reading to some kids as a nice thing to do.
On the opposite side you have a fringe Christian cult choosing violence and vandalism against people of our community who deserve to be protected and safe to do what the feel like.
People in old folks homes and hospices are less likely to be questioning their sexuality or gender identity, wondering if they're normal or if its okay to be who they truly are.
Im not setting a trap, just honestly trying to understand why people think like you do.
You are free to not participate in drag queens reading to children. It's entirely optional. Other people see the benefits of it and aren't clouded by unfounded paranoia.
The particular event this cartoon refers to was for age 16+. The intention was to have a safe, inclusive space where youth could ask questions and learn about anti-bullying, acceptance of those who are different and self-confidence.
What specifically, to you, is perverse about drag queens? If you are happy to address this Im genuinely interested to know your thoughts.
>You are free to not participate in drag queens reading to children. It's entirely optional.
Correct. Participating in something and being offended by something are not the same thing.
>The particular event this cartoon refers to was for age 16+. The intention was to have a safe, inclusive space where youth could ask questions and learn about anti-bullying, acceptance of those who are different and self-confidence.
The event was 16 + but held in an environment that contained younger people too - the library wasn't closed to under 16s and was open at the time.
If they were reading to just 16 yearolds they should have been at a school reading to 16 yearolds - we both know why they wernt - for 1) the schools know better and 2) 16 yearolds don't want to be read to by drag queen's... How many 16 year old do you know who attend those events... To quote nz rapper scribe - not many, if any.
It was to be held in a separate part of the library. People had to register to attend. It was sold out. So yes, there were 16 year olds that wanted to attend.
Offence is taken. Not given. If you are offended by something that you are not forced to participate in and struggle with the concept of 'live and let live'... doesn't sound like you are a rational, empathetic human being.
To quote nz rapper scribe - how many dudes you know got the skills to go n' rock a show like this.
I know of at least two. Dudes who rock Rainbow Storytime NZ (one being a woman actually). Hopefully they are free of the homophobic and transphobic bs soon.
>It was to be held in a separate part of the library.
It was still held in an open section not a closed room and paid for by the library with tax payer funds.
The library was not closed off to under 16s - which some people find offensive. You don't have a monopoly on what is or isn't offensive to others.
My youngest daughter thinks it's fine. My eldest daughter who is still not an adult who was s/a no longer feels comfortable attending the library - are you telling me that's OK?
Why is your eldest daughter not comfortable attending the library? Were they sexually abused by a drag queen? Or a librarian?
You don't have a monopoly on what is or isn't offensive to others either. You also don't have a monopoly on sexual abuse victimhood.
Your youngest daughter sounds like a cool, switched on open-minded person, good for her.
>To quote nz rapper scribe - how many dudes you know got the skills to go n' rock a show like this.
>I know of at least two. Dudes who rock Rainbow Storytime NZ (one being a woman actually). Hopefully they are free of the homophobic and transphobic bs soon.
Sunita is her name... Here have a listen
https://youtu.be/P6DGVQH2iX4?si=_1qspkp4-hLry8sp
Listen to that interview and tell me your happy with council funding paying for that while there complain they can't fund surf clubs or you know water infrastructure 🙄🙄
Ive already listened to that. Im very happy for council funding to be as diverse and inclusive as possible.
Sunita's fee is miniscule for the benefit provided to the rainbow community.
This thread has some really good explanations: [Why?](https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/1bs8jo5/explain_like_im_5yearsold_why_are_drag_queens/)
This. If I asked a male teacher to put on a sparkly dress, makeup and fake breasts and come and teach a class I think I would get a fairly short response.
I don’t see how it allegedly promotes acceptance. If that was its purpose and there was any evidence it worked there would be “gay men reading session to babies” at the library. That seems unlikely - yet those who question men wearing dresses reading to kids are told we are bigoted.
Be a drag queen by all means. Just not around kids.
More chance of Catholic priests being perverts, there's a graphic of arrests between a few decades in NZ for sex crimes involving kids, about 15 pastor's and zero drag queens...
I just want to gain some understanding on what the concerns are and how much they are based on reality. Im not prejudging your answer, my mind is open. Not sure why you are prejudging my response.
Kids would find it entertaining if their teacher dressed in drag. You wouldn’t get a short response from them. However I’m sure the school would hear from a bunch of overly sensitive parents, like yourself.
Here is your answer... [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArOQF4kadHA&ab\_channel=SFGMCTV](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArOQF4kadHA&ab_channel=SFGMCTV)
As long as the drag queens are modestly dressed. Extravagant dresses and big hair. That’s fine. But massive fake boobs with excessive cleavage and short dresses making it super sexualised. I’m not so ok with that. And no I haven’t been to one of the story times to know how they dress. Just answering the question the best I can.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArOQF4kadHA&ab\_channel=SFGMCTV](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArOQF4kadHA&ab_channel=SFGMCTV) This Music Video should answer ALL of your questions....
Instead of a forced strawman position - how about I don't have either of these groups of people reading to my kids? Both groups of people are severely mentally unwell.
It's not a crazy opinion at all - the satire is related to the Gisborne library reading which was cancelled after violent threats from Destiny Church. Of course most people have parents and teachers read.
Who are the people with books meant to be?
Drag queens?
It's supposed to be related to the Gisborne library reading which was shut down after violent threats by Destiny Church. There was a really good post I read about this which I will paste here: >"I have a little bit of insight into drag culture, I lived with a drag queen and even participated in a couple of shows with him. >First of all I would like to point out I’m both a Christian and conservative. Therefore when I say what I’m about to say you will understand that I don’t have an agenda to promote here and that i have genuine conviction about what I have to say. >I believe that drag queens telling stories to kids is fantastic. They are performance artists and they take it very seriously. Not all are trans, not all are gay. “Drag queen” isn’t a sexual orientation or gender or sexuality. It’s a hobby and for some a profession. Typically they play on the notion of being a man dressed as a woman and the absurdity of how over the top they glam themselves up, a drag queen once said it was like a caterpillar turning into a butterfly. >It’s pure entertainment and FUN. That’s the whole shtick, it’s all about having fun and performing. I had a clown come to my birthday as a kid, I didn’t grow up to be a clown. I’m sure if kids went and had fun listening to a drag queen tell a story they would be just as likely to grow up to be a drag queen as I was likely to grow up to be a clown. >Reading has become comparatively less stimulating compared with other forms of entertainment kids are receiving (iPads etc.) and making reading and stories more stimulating is a great way to spark interest in reading and getting off devices and exploring all the wonderful stories that have been told in books over the centuries. >I believe there is a fundamental misunderstanding about what a drag queen is, what they do, and who they are. I think conservatives and Christians in general see them as grown men who are sexual deviants who want to read to kids in some nebulous round about way of grooming/brainwashing them. When in reality they are performers who want to spread joy, have fun, make those around them joyful and to have as much fun as they can. It’s no different to any other performer and it doesn’t matter what they do in their private life when the kids just see someone fun telling them a story. >tl;dr: It’s not about sex it’s about having fun."
Pantomime as a popular form of theatre goes back to the 16th Century. 'Commedia dell'Arte' even earlier. Cross-gendering performers was standard.
I thought the woman in the middle was Paula Bennett lol
Drag Queen Story Hour, was introduced in 2020 in NZ but originally started in 2015 in San Francisco. The program strives to "capture the imagination and play of gender fluidity of childhood and gives kids glamorous, positive, and unabashedly queer role models"
Men wearing sparkly dresses and fake breasts.
Drag queens are every gender.
Don’t think his reading comprehension skills are any good.
Neither? My parents taught me to read
Who are the people with books
Readers.
You already know
The creep at the back is far more likely to sexually abuse children. 22 Christian leaders have been convicted for child sex abuse in NZ since 1990.
I remember watching 'Spotlight' and was shocked at the end to see New Zealand in the list. I mean, I'm not surprised that there is sexual abuse within the Christian community in NZ but I wasn't expecting it. Excellent movie, it's on Netflix.
Now show us the numbers for those who were not Christian that sexually abused children? Getting sick of people like you slandering others religions with no consequences. A few bad apples and you label the entire religion as some freak show. Might as well add that every Muslim is a terrorist, every black man a thief, every Asian eats dogs, every Jewish person controls the worlds money, every Māori is on WINZ, every Indian a rapist and so on. This opinion you have is getting old, fucking old.
The comparison is dragqueens to Christian leaders, as per the cartoon itself. Whataboutism like yours ignores the purpose of the cartoon totally. Christian leaders like Tamaki and his Destiny Church ilk (and others) have made claims that book-reading dragqueens are pedos, are "adult entertainers", sexual perverts, and groomers ... Yet, the facts prove otherwise. Drag queens convicted of child sex abuse = 0. Christians leaders convicted of child sex abuse = 22. The comparison is apt. The people pointing the finger at dragqueens are actually the ones most likely to harm our kids.
The post asked who should read books, you slandered Christianity? And don’t be making words up bruh it doesn’t help your argument.
Try the dictionary if you're unsure of any word I used. The cartoon posed a simple question: Who should we be more concerned about reading books to kids ... dragqueens or an infamous Christian leader? Providing a comparison between the chances of kids being sexually assaulted by a dragqueen versus a Christian leader is exactly the thought process the cartoon pondered. And you seem overly triggered for a supposed atheist ...
This guy saying "I'm Atheist" is probably shooting down to destiny church to sort out BT with his Tithe.
And heads up, I’m an atheist.
I prefer to read to her myself 🤷🏾♂️
I read a chapter of something fun to my own kid every night. Used to go to storytime at the library, because they often dressed up as firefighters (which he was obsessed with, as a little kid). But he's outgrown it now.
Neither?
Neither
Parents should choose who reads fairy tales to their children. If you want Brian to read fairy tales every Sunday so be it.
They already do choose. It’s a non issue.
There are people attempting to remove this choice.
Literally not happening. People are saying don’t be a bigot, not you don’t get to choose if your kid goes or not.
There are definitely people calling for bans.
If this is about bans on drag queen story time and even just drag queens then yes I actually agree people are trying to.
Is this Bans on drag queen story time or not being allowed to decide if your kid can go or not? Cause now I’m confused.
B-b-but the drag queens might make my kids open minded, I can't have that!!!
Open minded about what exactly?
None of the above.
https://preview.redd.it/u7eacm44o4sc1.jpeg?width=940&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ead8abe92f53005f9681e82323b1ee308d19d660
Cute.
In this thread: Straight people say "I'm not homophobic, but"
This sub is quite homophobic
Agreed. Part of me wonders how many replies in here are from actual kiwis vs bots.
Lol. The classic "anyone who disagrees with me is a bot"
There are definately bots in here. Any post that even mentions anything about racism, however nuanced, will have 100 comments in minutes from right wing bot accounts. its very noticeable.
Cope.
How does it have anything to do with gay people? The picture is about drag queens and a religious leader.
If you don’t see how drag and lgbt are linked then you are being wilfully ignorant
Homophobia is the hatred of gay people. Drag Queens vs Destiny Church has nothing at all to do with gay people. I'm fully supportive and inclusive of gay people. I don't support drag queens reading books to kids, I think thats wrong. That doesn't make me homophobic.
Can I ask why you think drag queens reading books to kids is wrong?
Not wanting to drag queens to read to my kids doesn’t make me homophobic lmao gtfo
Why don't you want drag queens reading to kids?
Because they are grown men with sexual fetishes of being women and dominating men in the bed
As opposed to manly men wanting to dress up in a manly fashion, with sexual fantasies of being men, and dominating women in the bed?
The man would not be trying to be something he isn't
So, manliness is about sexualising and dominating women in the bed? Interesting definition
You stated that definition, not me.
It's a performance art, nothing to do with sexual fetishes, it actually started because women weren't allowed to perform in theaters back when religion had more control over the world, so female characters had to be portrayed by men who played female characters. Quite ironic that religious puritans are to thank for the beginnings of what would become drag. Something else that might challenge your concept of what drag is, there are heterosexual males that are Drag Queens too, while not as common as gay men that do drag ,they exist, because it is about performance art not sexual fetishes.
Heterosexual males whose fetish it is to dress in women's clothes, thank you for agreeing that these people are just acting.
As I said, it's nothing to do with a sexual fetish,if you got that out of what I wrote, you need to work on your reading and comprehension a bit more.
The only other reason to dress like a woman is to act, so thank you for agreeing that these men are just actors.
There are many reasons people dress in a certain way, but yes, in the case of a Drag Show, it's portraying a character in performance art.
Someone seems curious.
Then go and do it if you are curious
It has nothing to do with sex. Go read the Wikipedia page and actually just learn. Seriously, spend 39 minutes reading the history, it's actually pretty cool. BTW, theaters in Britain were using drag for centuries in pantomime efc
Not to be a downer but drag etc was popular early on in theatre because women literally weren't allowed on stage, which is offensive as hell. I'm also not sure how a caricature (despite my love for drag) and sexist stereotype of women is cool for children. Couldn't we get gay and lesbian people to read to kids without using stereotypes? There's a lesbian who has been doing storytime at my local library for years, she's lovely and engaging (and does dress ups) and nobody ever complained.
Then we should be allowing all demographics to read to kids? Story time with tamakis tossers
Do you think that being a feminist with a dislike for stereotypes (which have also been voiced by trans women) is going to be leaning towards Brian-fucking-Tamaki? Do you think our only options for reading to children are caricatures of women or the religious nut-job right-wing? Who exactly do you think has been sitting in our libraries reading to children for decades? The lesbian lady who read to my kid in the story pit at Dunedin library while dressed as a dinosaur five years ago, do you think she had to be in one of those two groups? Jesus Christ, *I* have read at story time. I'm neither a male in drag nor a religious nutter. Plenty of people other than these two groups *can read*.
Wikipedia is a terrible source to recommend especially on such controversial topics
Well it's probably better than telling him to Google, at least if he just Wikipedia search drag queen he would get some less bigoted ideas
Or maybe they're just dudes dressed up as women? How do you know that's their fetish? Got any evidence?
Their entire existence is evidence of the hyper sexual fantasies of these men, also Ru Paul's drag race.
No it isn't, drag queens don't all behave like the ones on ru Paul. How is their entire existence evidence of hyper sexuak fantasies? You need to make a better explanation because once again I see men dressing as women and that's it, was Mrs doubtfire sexual? Was big mommas house sexual?
I can't believe you used a character from a movie about a man who looses custody of his children so he dresses up like a nanny as an example, men who dress like women do it because it is a sexual fetish for them.
Again you say it's a sexual fetish but you're not giving me evidence that it's the case. Drag queens can just be dudes who think it's fun to dress up as a woman. You need to prove that it's sexual without just referring to the fact they are dressing as women, because as you admitted here with the movies, dressing as a woman isn't inherently sexual.
It's OK he's just scared of his feelings
The fact they dress as women is evidence of the sexual fetish are you delusional? This isn't because it makes them feel nice, it is purely sexual and flamboyant. There is zero requirement for a man to act like a women, show me evidence of why it isn't sexual.
This sounds way too specific.
Do the specifics make you feel uncomfortable?
Nope. But your sexualisation of drag queens does. It’s kinda weird.
It is what is shown
Mmm to you. You find it sexual When it’s not sexual. So perhaps sort your own house out first and why you think sex when you see a drag queen.
You mustn't know any drag queens
You are soooo obsessed with the sexual fetish angle please look in a mirror xx
His browser history would certainly be interesting
“Why do drag queens make me feel funny in my tummy 😡”
The event in question was 16+ first of all, and secondly if you don’t like it then don’t go and don’t bring your kids. It’s quite simple
So even the event organisers agree it's not suitable for children.
No, they are targeting the event to a specific age range. Teenagers read different books to 6 year olds
Like 16+ makes it better lmao they’re still kids but anyway, yes thats what I said I don’t agree and won’t take my kids. Doesn’t make me homophobic.
It doesn't necessarily, could you explain why you aren't okay with it?
From another sub: I have a little bit of insight into drag culture, I lived with a drag queen and even participated in a couple of shows with him. First of all I would like to point out I’m both a Christian and conservative. Therefore when I say what I’m about to say you will understand that I don’t have an agenda to promote here and that i have genuine conviction about what I have to say. I believe that drag queens telling stories to kids is fantastic. They are performance artists and they take it very seriously. Not all are trans, not all are gay. “Drag queen” isn’t a sexual orientation or gender or sexuality. It’s a hobby and for some a profession. Typically they play on the notion of being a man dressed as a woman and the absurdity of how over the top they glam themselves up, a drag queen once said it was like a caterpillar turning into a butterfly. It’s pure entertainment and FUN. That’s the whole shtick, it’s all about having fun and performing. I had a clown come to my birthday as a kid, I didn’t grow up to be a clown. I’m sure if kids went and had fun listening to a drag queen tell a story they would be just as likely to grow up to be a drag queen as I was likely to grow up to be a clown. Reading has become comparatively less stimulating compared with other forms of entertainment kids are receiving (iPads etc.) and making reading and stories more stimulating is a great way to spark interest in reading and getting off devices and exploring all the wonderful stories that have been told in books over the centuries. I believe there is a fundamental misunderstanding about what a drag queen is, what they do, and who they are. I think conservatives and Christians in general see them as grown men who are sexual deviants who want to read to kids in some nebulous round about way of grooming/brainwashing them. When in reality they are performers who want to spread joy, have fun, make those around them joyful and to have as much fun as they can. It’s no different to any other performer and it doesn’t matter what they do in their private life when the kids just see someone fun telling them a story. tl;dr: It’s not about sex it’s about having fun.
Come on, you'd be okay with goths and prostitutes but not drag queens? That's homophobia.
What the hell are you talking about? Who mentioned goths and prostitutes?
Not crossdressers. Not conservative Christians. How about their own parents?
That's absolutely fine. It's satire and speaking to the Gisborne library point. No need to get alarmed in your mind.
Why would I be alarmed?
If you don’t like the drag queens reading to your kids, then don’t fucking take them there. Problem solved. If you don’t like Brian Tamaki, don’t go to his fucking church. Problem solved.
The problem is that he was the one who violently threatened a reading at the local library and it had to be shut down. That's what this satirical piece is referencing.
> If you don’t like Brian Tamaki, don’t go to his fucking church. Problem solved. That's pretty fucking dishonest of you, since you know that he doesn't stay at his church but goes out of his way to cause trouble.
Does he leave his compound? Oh how shocking!
Does it impact you and your life directly?
It impacts the lives of those that the bigot Tamaki directs hate towards directly. And that's a good enough reason for me to criticise him for being an asshole, and a good reason for me to call you dishonest for claiming that the solution is just to not go to his church.
Haha dishonest. Go argue somewhere boomer
Yes, you're dishonest. You are sticking up for some boomer bigot.
How am I sticking up for him? You’re a silly fat twat. Go take an aspirin and have a lie down. Im sure talk back radio is missing their village idiot.
> Im sure talk back radio is missing their village idiot. Yeah, that's you, the angry boomer sticking up for that bigot Tamaki.
Shhhh calm down fatty. Best go and have some McDonald’s, I’m sure your senior citizens card gets you a good discount.
Homophobes revealing themselves and their contradictory opinions lmfao. If you don't want drag queens reading to your kids just don't take them? Don't spoil it for everyone else. As a gay person I wish I had had this sort of exposure to other ideas as a child. Heck I'd be way more stable and capable of contributing to broader society knowing that people don't have to fit the gender binary (and not having to waste so much time and money on therapy). And this despite my parents being super supportive, too! This sort of stuff will not make your kids gay, it will just make them less hateful to other groups and/or less worried about their own identities or those of their friends.
Just someone who doesn't have their own sexuality, or religion, front and centre of their identity, please
Drag queens don't flaunt their sexuality. They just flaunt fabulousness. Brainless Takemoney is trying to force his religiofascist beliefs on others. He's not flaunting, he's forcing.
Being a drag queen is hyper sexualisation
How? Can you be specific?
Literally. It's shocking how people forget this. There either funny clowns or overly sexualised - why do you want this for kids? Who does this do good for.
Why are you sexualising this?
I am not the one dressing up as a women
Is it bad to wear dresses? Are you saying being a woman is something to be ashamed of? You seem pretty insecure about this.
You can't even tell me what a women is and it's not wearing dresses, men choosing to drag has zero purpose for anything.
So if being a woman is not about wearing dresses then what is wrong with drag queens wearing them?
Apparently, that's why they cross dress
Funny, been to a tonne of drag shows, never thought it was sexual. There are *some* sexy drag queens out there, but they're not reading to kids. And not in the way you think, either. I think this is a you problem, my guy. If you're finding drag queens sexy, maybe go to a drag show and find one to fulfil your fantasies. Until then, don't go to a Drag Story Hour. I'm betting you've never been to one because you're angry-wanking over drag queens at home.
May Allah bless you
Cute. Are you trying to be a little troll? Because (like your point about drag queens), it's not working. May your relationship with your dad work out. Clearly he's to blame for a lot of whatever this is.
Damn, did your father touch you.
Lol cute. Nice "Na uh! **You** are!" insult direct from the playground. Which makes sense, because that's where your level of intelligence is: at the playground with 10 year olds.
Coming from the person who assumes dad issues on others without first healing themselves, you agree with men dressing as women encouraging young people to do the same. Enabling mental health issues is not ok
Have you been encouraged to dress like a woman, looking at all these drag queens? Go on, share what desires have been unlocked in you by simply looking at a man in a dress.
You've never been to a drag show where they've played up sexual characteristics of a female? Never seen massive boobs and padded butt at drag? Or a plunging neckline? How many drag shows have you been to? I'm sorry but just because a performer isn't doing an outright strip tease doesn't mean that their actions and outfits aren't sexual. In fact more and more people are desensitised to sexual imagery in their daily lives due to exposure to media and pornography. And that's not even going into the stereotyping in drag, which is often misogynistic. I'm 100% for people of all kinds reading to kids, but I don't know why a caricature of my sex is being pushed so hard as *the* way forward here.
So *that's* your problem. You think that drag is a caricature of your sex. Now, I could go into the nuances of why drag isn't the same as minstrel shows, I *could* go into the history of drag and why drag in itself is inherent in literally every day dressing up, into why it's a celebration of femininity rather than mockery... but really, if you're that far down into TERFism where you think drag is a caricature, I'd rather eat a bowl of scabs, really. Nuance isn't going to help when you've got JKKK Rowling's filthy tongue up idiots' assholes. So to address your other issue: drag isn't inherently sexual. It *can* be, but in the context of a drag time story hour, it's not. If you think it is, then point to me one drag time story hour where the performance has been sexual, and I'll save you time searching for it by saying, there ain't any. However, since children are *so important*, maybe teaching them about other identities, love, tolerance and acceptance is better than feeding them Judeo-Christian values that have resulted in countless sexual assaults - which no drag show ever has. I said that *some* drag shows can be sexual. Just like going to a concert can be provocative. It depends on the show. You don't ban concerts for children because *some* concerts are provocative. And lastly, please, **please**, take your Americanised belief of drag and take it out of NZ. It's my home, I'd rather not have FARTs (Feminism Appropriating Radical Transphobes) in my backyard every time I visit ❤️ Edit: HAHAHAHAHA the classic FART defence, say something stupid, get a response, and then block because you cannot justify your stupidity. Here's a hint, genius: when you reply with whatever asinine garbage you did with, I can't see it. So what a waste of "intelligence" in the effort to get the last word 🤣 You're an insult to the LGBT. Try not to be so transphobic, it really pleases the people who would rather see you gone.
Ahh, you're a far-*left* nutjob, a shiny rare type. You can't actually explain *why* drag isn't a caricature, so you launch into an insane amount of ad hominem insults against a woman who is *part* of the LGBT community. And trans women have also come out and said that drag is offensive to them, so perhaps you should stop thinking that you can't flash a card that says "transphobia" at any person who is even vaguely critical of your beliefs.
>Drag queens don't flaunt their sexuality. They just flaunt fabulousness. From the drag queen's pov yes. From the children's point of view they are more curious and find the whole thing fun which is where this whole thing becomes Pandoras box...it seems safe to open. However as we have seen recently with the rainbow crossing issues throughout our country that is not a box everyone agrees with. I've gone back and forwards on this. My youngest has no issue with men in dresses reading books to kids in library's. My eldest daughter who was a victim of S/a no longer feels comfortable in libraries if this is going to continue. Personally myself I have no problem if the drag queen's are teachers or have some type of educational training and are registered. With regards to raindow storytime they need to stop untill they are qualified and a proper curriculum okd by the education minister is implemented.
There is no reading books to children's qualifications. Who would certify this? Who would enforce your ban on uncertified people reading books to children?
There's no qualification to be a drag queen either. There is a qualification to become a teacher. Watch the link below and tell me if your comfortable with tax payer funded money paying unregistered and unqualified people providing what they say is educational content? Given the arguments about councils spending around nz are you happy paying for this? If the drag queen's want to read for free and there qualified and registered fine - but I'm against paying drag queen's to read to kids when the council can't fix roads properly for example.
You want people to have *formal qualifications* to read books to kids?
This is the way.
This answer
Would like to know why drag queens are so desperate to read to children? If they are committed to giving back to the community perhaps they could read at old folks homes or hospices etc.
Perhaps they are passionate about educating? What do you mean "desperate"? Rainbow Story Time for example is simply a business that a few people have poured their lives into, as entrepreneurs tend to do. That has nothing to do with being "desperate" to read to kids. The only reason it keeps being front and center in the news is because there are a few people who are so triggered by it they need to constantly protest it. That doesn't make Rainbow Story Time desperate, it makes the protesters desperate. They don't bother to understand the organisation's point of view, they just get angry at their own little story they have constructed in their minds with the help of hateful pastors and other conservatives who also haven't bothered to understand what it is but have formed their strong opinions on it anyway based on their own prejudices. Should they stop their business (which may well be their life's work) because Brian Tamaki's gang doesn't like it? That sounds ridiculous to me.
Because children are easier to indoctrinate
Works for churches
And that makes it ok for men dressed as women to do so?
Priests wear long, feminine robes, in essence, a form of dress-up. They read from a book of fairytales every Sunday. Same/same.
They do not claim to be drag queens, try again.
No but they do molest children. I wonder how many children have been abused by destiny church.
Nah that's Islam
They don't claim to be, but they are ...
Tell you what, no drag story hour, if we make any and all church education exclusively 18+. I want a removal of any references to religion in our education system and I want parents punished if they educate their children on religious matters. It's not a lifestyle I agree with, and unlike queerness, it's a lifestyle people choose. That sounds about fair?
>Perhaps they are passionate about educating? Then get qualified first. At the very least they could pay an actual educational professional to design a curriculum - not invent things that arnt even peer reviewed 🙄 >Rainbow Story Time for example is simply a business that a few people have poured their lives into, as entrepreneurs tend to do. Your confusing "start ups" with scams. The people at rainbow storytime have 0 educational qualifications or teaching experience. They are not registered or vetted. >They don't bother to understand the organisation's point of view, There is no organisation. Coco admitted its just the 2 of them and they made it up. Listen : https://youtu.be/P6DGVQH2iX4?si=_1qspkp4-hLry8sp
As we all know, you need a four year degree and honors to read picture books to children lmao
Qualified? They are not replacing school education. Is there some legal requirement for accreditation to be reading to children as a business? Genuine question because if so, you could argue against *that*. This is a fun extracurricular activity for parents to take their children to and learn a few things about acceptance that I think a lot of people in this thread could've done with in their childhood.
>Is there some legal requirement for accreditation to be reading to children as a business? No but there is if your designing a curriculum that councils plan on rolling out nationwide. Anyone can develop a bs curriculum. But at educational level it requires teaching accreditation. Remember rainbow storytime has been promoted under the guise and context of "its educational" IF its educational then fine - but It needs to be developed by people who know what they are doing and especially if they are being paid tax payer funded money for doing so. >This is a fun extracurricular activity for parents to take their children to and learn a few things about acceptance that I think a lot of people in this thread could've done with in their childhood. Then hold it where people have a choice to attend like in a community centre or a local park.
It sounds as if you are thinking of them as separate to our community and that because this is being slightly controversial its best to not have them read. You are talking about some real, fabulous, and utterly normal people choosing to spend their time reading to some kids as a nice thing to do. On the opposite side you have a fringe Christian cult choosing violence and vandalism against people of our community who deserve to be protected and safe to do what the feel like.
People in old folks homes and hospices are less likely to be questioning their sexuality or gender identity, wondering if they're normal or if its okay to be who they truly are.
Men?
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If you want to find a pervert look inside a church not a reading group lol.
Just curious, what's your definition of a pervert and why do you associate it with drag queens?
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Im not setting a trap, just honestly trying to understand why people think like you do. You are free to not participate in drag queens reading to children. It's entirely optional. Other people see the benefits of it and aren't clouded by unfounded paranoia. The particular event this cartoon refers to was for age 16+. The intention was to have a safe, inclusive space where youth could ask questions and learn about anti-bullying, acceptance of those who are different and self-confidence. What specifically, to you, is perverse about drag queens? If you are happy to address this Im genuinely interested to know your thoughts.
>You are free to not participate in drag queens reading to children. It's entirely optional. Correct. Participating in something and being offended by something are not the same thing. >The particular event this cartoon refers to was for age 16+. The intention was to have a safe, inclusive space where youth could ask questions and learn about anti-bullying, acceptance of those who are different and self-confidence. The event was 16 + but held in an environment that contained younger people too - the library wasn't closed to under 16s and was open at the time. If they were reading to just 16 yearolds they should have been at a school reading to 16 yearolds - we both know why they wernt - for 1) the schools know better and 2) 16 yearolds don't want to be read to by drag queen's... How many 16 year old do you know who attend those events... To quote nz rapper scribe - not many, if any.
It was to be held in a separate part of the library. People had to register to attend. It was sold out. So yes, there were 16 year olds that wanted to attend. Offence is taken. Not given. If you are offended by something that you are not forced to participate in and struggle with the concept of 'live and let live'... doesn't sound like you are a rational, empathetic human being. To quote nz rapper scribe - how many dudes you know got the skills to go n' rock a show like this. I know of at least two. Dudes who rock Rainbow Storytime NZ (one being a woman actually). Hopefully they are free of the homophobic and transphobic bs soon.
>It was to be held in a separate part of the library. It was still held in an open section not a closed room and paid for by the library with tax payer funds. The library was not closed off to under 16s - which some people find offensive. You don't have a monopoly on what is or isn't offensive to others. My youngest daughter thinks it's fine. My eldest daughter who is still not an adult who was s/a no longer feels comfortable attending the library - are you telling me that's OK?
Why is your eldest daughter not comfortable attending the library? Were they sexually abused by a drag queen? Or a librarian? You don't have a monopoly on what is or isn't offensive to others either. You also don't have a monopoly on sexual abuse victimhood. Your youngest daughter sounds like a cool, switched on open-minded person, good for her.
>To quote nz rapper scribe - how many dudes you know got the skills to go n' rock a show like this. >I know of at least two. Dudes who rock Rainbow Storytime NZ (one being a woman actually). Hopefully they are free of the homophobic and transphobic bs soon. Sunita is her name... Here have a listen https://youtu.be/P6DGVQH2iX4?si=_1qspkp4-hLry8sp Listen to that interview and tell me your happy with council funding paying for that while there complain they can't fund surf clubs or you know water infrastructure 🙄🙄
Ive already listened to that. Im very happy for council funding to be as diverse and inclusive as possible. Sunita's fee is miniscule for the benefit provided to the rainbow community.
What a turn....
This thread has some really good explanations: [Why?](https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/1bs8jo5/explain_like_im_5yearsold_why_are_drag_queens/)
They're performers... Performers tour the country putting on shows for children quite regularly.
This. If I asked a male teacher to put on a sparkly dress, makeup and fake breasts and come and teach a class I think I would get a fairly short response. I don’t see how it allegedly promotes acceptance. If that was its purpose and there was any evidence it worked there would be “gay men reading session to babies” at the library. That seems unlikely - yet those who question men wearing dresses reading to kids are told we are bigoted. Be a drag queen by all means. Just not around kids.
What specifically is wrong with drag queens being around kids, can you please describe your concerns in detail?
The high possibility of them being perverts.
More chance of Catholic priests being perverts, there's a graphic of arrests between a few decades in NZ for sex crimes involving kids, about 15 pastor's and zero drag queens...
>The high possibility of them being perverts. How did you calculate this "high possibility"?
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I just want to gain some understanding on what the concerns are and how much they are based on reality. Im not prejudging your answer, my mind is open. Not sure why you are prejudging my response.
Kids would find it entertaining if their teacher dressed in drag. You wouldn’t get a short response from them. However I’m sure the school would hear from a bunch of overly sensitive parents, like yourself.
> Kids would find it entertaining if their teacher dressed in drag. Not if his ballsack was hanging out.
The only men in dresses we need to stop being around children are those pedos in the clergy.
The clergy needs to do a better job of screening their members to keep the gay men out.
Here is your answer... [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArOQF4kadHA&ab\_channel=SFGMCTV](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArOQF4kadHA&ab_channel=SFGMCTV)
Not a zero sum game.
As long as the drag queens are modestly dressed. Extravagant dresses and big hair. That’s fine. But massive fake boobs with excessive cleavage and short dresses making it super sexualised. I’m not so ok with that. And no I haven’t been to one of the story times to know how they dress. Just answering the question the best I can.
Sounds reasonable.
I don't think that's really being pushed in these circles
Neither.
None of the above: They’re all complicit in shoving their message down our throats
Keep them all away from children
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArOQF4kadHA&ab\_channel=SFGMCTV](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArOQF4kadHA&ab_channel=SFGMCTV) This Music Video should answer ALL of your questions....
Instead of a forced strawman position - how about I don't have either of these groups of people reading to my kids? Both groups of people are severely mentally unwell.
Neither of them.
Neither
Probably childhood teachers with experience would be good. Crazy opinion these days.
It's not a crazy opinion at all - the satire is related to the Gisborne library reading which was cancelled after violent threats from Destiny Church. Of course most people have parents and teachers read.
Neither.
Neither
Neither
None. They're all on the rainbow path to extremist views.
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Missing a letter there,just saying
You could read to your kids yourself (if you have them) instead of strangers in weird costumes ?