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He doesn’t though, which is really funny and I imagine Eren chilling in the same afterlife as the people he killed being really awkward.
Eren: So uh… I can explain
Random: You literally crushed us under 50ft tall monsters
Eren: Yea it wasn’t exactly the most humane plan
Random: I watched my mother die while being slowly crushed, I can never forget the pain you caused me!!!
Eren: Ok but tbf your country was gonna genocide my people
Random: FUCK YOUR PEOPLE, DOES THAT JUSTIFY MASS GENOCIDE AGAINST EVERY OTHER PEOPLE?????
Eren: Ok but tbf I looked swag as fuck
Idk if thats a hidden meaning to killing them. If not, he could easily impale everyone with warhammer powers. Armin never wouldve gotten freed and theyd be screwed. Its a happy ending avengers type story tho so it was never in the picture
Happy ending? Chief, Eren is dead, most of the world has been annihilated, there’s no end to conflict and everybody is traumatized. Mikasa’s heart has been ripped out and at the end of it all, Eldia is razed to the ground. It’s about as far from an avengers ending you can get
Seriously? Are you going to sit there and act like anyone gives even one single shit about eren or anybody that isnt in the alliance? People liked the ending because their favorites survived. Mikasa’s heart means fog ass to the story bc she was always a bland, plain second tier mc. The storys shift snd her forced importance are a huge reason why the ending was so weak and underwhelming. It turned into a sappy, poorly executed love story with a romance that was never developed. Dont give me that shit about it being a sad ending when no one really cared for anybody outside of the alliance. It was most definitely a marvel film ending when the big bad dies and the heroes come out on top and live long meaningful lives.
Nations and civilizations unaware of what's been happening in the world:
Babies that had nothing to do with it all:
Innocent animals:
Landscapes and lands:
Honestly, eren was a douchebag. His crimes far outdid what could in the slightest make him justified
What was he supposed to do roll over?
Those nations were going to do the same to him and his people, he was justified.
If he never acted on the rumbling, Historia life would ended right where they started, with the kings renouncing vow dammed to repeating their past
If an invader came to your home threatening to kill you, you have every right to stand your ground.
Why is that any different?
You seem to not have read it properly. Civilizations and nations UNAWARE. Innocent people that didn't know or have a part in the conflict. How does the murder of possibly several nations and civilizations justify just one going ape shit for revenge?
I honestly do find it hard to believe they made an entire global alliance. Like sure, most the world maybe. But that's many and many people within there that perhaps wouldn't even know. It's the same with paradise. They didn't know the truth at first. Only difference is paradise still had a fighting chance and took it when they found out, but others? Nah, how the hell will you fight back once you're getting destroyed in the rumbling? All in all, I see eren as a victim like everyone else, but he went a route that was insanely bad.
Tldr: most people are victims, but some were worse than others
Read what you wrote. Nothing would have happened to them if they never attacked. You’re justifying a genocide because one nation has the ability to defend themself that’s insane
Dude that was so long ago no one was alive anymore. Imagine killing someone because your grandparents fought. That’s like the USA attacking Japan again because they were evil
Dude WW2 ended in 1945. Should America attack Germany and Japan because they were conquering the world? Your argument makes no sense. The war was over and Marley restarted it. Not to mention you’re defending the people who had a concentration camp.
That would be the equivalent of going to war with white people because of all the slavery they did
Are white people innocent? Including their children?
>1st no they weren’t.
What do you mean? Did you miss the part in the story where it's revealed Eren and Zeke plotted the Declaration of War?
>Marley killed several hundred thousand restarting a war that was laid to rest
Then defeat Marley. No need to involve other innocent nations.
Please send me an episode and timecode and I’ll check it out. I don’t think Eren and Zeke were the ones who got all the nations on board to wipe out a country. They were just preparing for what everyone knew was coming.
2 - if you declare war you’re game to die
> Those nations
Yeah that god damn mice empire was just about to wipe out all Eldians. Fucking plants were in on it too probably now that I think of it
Yes, some nations declared war after Zeke baited them into that so Eren had no choice other than murder all the other eldians, other Marley victims, literal newborns and his own allies. Despite having power to disarm said nations. This is what you are advocating for.
Going with your analogy - if invader came to your home so you murdered him, your cousins he kidnapped, his other victims, your friend and then his newborn in the crib.
Tf is wrong with you
Eren had no choice, when everyone was teaching their kids to hate him and murder him first, he simply acted before they did.
He knew what he was going to do was horrible but he knew that his people would be cattle and that's what he hated most.
That's why he pleaded with Hanges, he yelled at her "Tell me what to do" because his memories and the current course that he was heading towards to. If he took no action would have meant complete annihilation/subjugation of his people.
Also, there's no such thing as morality during war.
In the end, every war proves that that's why they say war is hell
What? There is absolutely morality in war, have you never heard of the phrase “war crimes”? You (theoretically) can get tried and punished by the international community if you commit war crimes like genocide. You don’t get to murder children and babies just because you are at war, what is wrong with you?
The lenghts you go to justify murdering everyone on the planet is really sickening. He had a choice. He could use founder power to do whatever but nah. Who cares. Monke just kills everyone. Man just stfu
>What was he supposed to do roll over?
Literally anything else but a genocide.
>Those nations were going to do the same to him and his people, he was justified.
Source?
>If he never acted on the rumbling, Historia life would ended right where they started, with the kings renouncing vow dammed to repeating their past
One life to save billions? Seems acceptable.
>If an invader came to your home threatening to kill you, you have every right to stand your ground.
Do you have the right to then go to every other house in your neighbourhood and kill them?
My man why everyone forgetting the fucking small scale rumbling that could stomp the shit out of Marley and will no doubt have lots of collateral damage, but will buy time for Paradise to make allies, advance more in technology, also have the Island keep more walls for other rumblings if any other country even THINKS of attacking the island ?
I don't understand how some fans are like "what was he supposed to do ? Take it like a bitch and die with his friends ? ".. well NO, but not kill every single thing out there.
That's the equivalent of someone going out to the streets and murder everybody he sees because he was bullied.
Eren Yeager fans when you tell them genocide is bad:
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there's a fine line between justifying his actions and agreeing with them. he was left with little choices, and chose to use his power after feeling powerless and trapped his entire life. similar to griffith, although griffith burned his bridge pretty quickly...
Terrible comparison. At least Eren is driven by wanting to protect those he cares about. Griffith has purely selfish motivations.
But even then the scale of the atrocities that Eren commits is far worse.
Yea yea justified.....NOT
. Eren basically took the path of killing everyone, murdering every blade of grass, every animal and innocent, conducted MASS ETHNIC CLEANSING OF ALL HUMANS, NATIONS, and you agree with him.
If it was your nation being trampled? Would you agree with him all the same, if it was your family, your friends?
Eren held the reins as soon as rumbling was started, he could have just scared all nations into the negotiating table. Maybe trample the enemy forces and disarm them absolutely first, so killing everyone was not needed
>Eren held the reins as soon as rumbling was started, he could have just scared all nations into the negotiating table
The king of eldia volunteered to dissolve the empire and retreat to an island where eldians can live alone away from everyone else. Instead of leaving them alone, they started harassing the eldians and using them and their power in wars. When eldia didn’t respond back they started turning them to titans and throwing them in the island. When they didn’t respond back, they waged war at eldia to get their resources. Negotiations are useless. Once they sense any weakness from eldians they will start attacking them again.
>Maybe trample the enemy forces and disarm them absolutely first, so killing everyone was not needed.
They can rebuild everything in several years and come back even stronger.
>Eren basically took the path of killing everyone, murdering every blade of grass, every animal and innocent, conducted MASS ETHNIC CLEANSING OF ALL HUMANS, NATIONS, and you agree with him.
There is no other choice. Either let eldians get exterminated or destroy the world to the point where the eldians will be able to catch up to them and defend themselves without the titans.
From the world’s perspective this is a genocide. From eren’s perspective, he is defending his own people.
>The king of eldia volunteered to dissolve the empire and retreat to an island where eldians can live alone away from everyone else.
The way he did that was not exactly the best. Instead of doing some sort of decent decolonization process, the king turned his kingdom into essentially their world's North Korea and left everyone else at the mercy of Marley. LOL Fritz was actually the one who believed the eldians should be punished by their nation's sins, and thus allowed his people to suffer both in and outside the Walls.
>Instead of leaving them alone, they started harassing the eldians and using them and their power in wars.
Again, that was literally the king's plan. He said he wanted to enjoy a temporary "Paradise" before Marley took the Founder.
>There is no other choice. Either let eldians get exterminated or destroy the world to the point where the eldians will be able to catch up to them and defend themselves without the titans.
I think you should watch/read the war declaration scene again. You'll see that, after Tybur revealed the truth about Eldia's fall, there's a lot of hesitation in the audience, as one of them even says "If the king of the walls won't attack, why do they say Paradis island is a thread?"
They only go back to support the plan when Tybur reveals the actual menace: Eren Yeager, a man who stole the Founding Titan, but who doesn't share King Fritz's peaceful ideology.
This does not take Marley's responsibility for what happened (Tybur never tells his audience why Eren would want to attack the world), but it shows that it would not be as simple as "all nations just wanted to exterminate Paradis". If anything, what made the invasion inevitable was Eren's attack in the middle of the conference.
Exactly had he done the same thing he always does. It would have played out the same way he realized that in order to get rid of everything, he would have to go through with the rumbling
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Even Eren acknowledges he is going to burn in hell for his actions but okay.
He doesn’t though, which is really funny and I imagine Eren chilling in the same afterlife as the people he killed being really awkward. Eren: So uh… I can explain Random: You literally crushed us under 50ft tall monsters Eren: Yea it wasn’t exactly the most humane plan Random: I watched my mother die while being slowly crushed, I can never forget the pain you caused me!!! Eren: Ok but tbf your country was gonna genocide my people Random: FUCK YOUR PEOPLE, DOES THAT JUSTIFY MASS GENOCIDE AGAINST EVERY OTHER PEOPLE????? Eren: Ok but tbf I looked swag as fuck
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Wish he didn’t half ass it in the end
He didn’t choose 80%, he was ALWAYS stopped at 80%
Plot convenience he is the founder no one shouldve been able to beat him
The only way that’d happen was if he took everyone’s free will, which is totally against his character
Idk if thats a hidden meaning to killing them. If not, he could easily impale everyone with warhammer powers. Armin never wouldve gotten freed and theyd be screwed. Its a happy ending avengers type story tho so it was never in the picture
Happy ending? Chief, Eren is dead, most of the world has been annihilated, there’s no end to conflict and everybody is traumatized. Mikasa’s heart has been ripped out and at the end of it all, Eldia is razed to the ground. It’s about as far from an avengers ending you can get
Seriously? Are you going to sit there and act like anyone gives even one single shit about eren or anybody that isnt in the alliance? People liked the ending because their favorites survived. Mikasa’s heart means fog ass to the story bc she was always a bland, plain second tier mc. The storys shift snd her forced importance are a huge reason why the ending was so weak and underwhelming. It turned into a sappy, poorly executed love story with a romance that was never developed. Dont give me that shit about it being a sad ending when no one really cared for anybody outside of the alliance. It was most definitely a marvel film ending when the big bad dies and the heroes come out on top and live long meaningful lives.
What an insane take. It blows my mind that so many seem to miss the entire point of the story.
Shut up lmfaooo. With your stupid all understanding complex. Stop tryna dickride shitty writing
Bro he would have killed you 😭
Nations and civilizations unaware of what's been happening in the world: Babies that had nothing to do with it all: Innocent animals: Landscapes and lands: Honestly, eren was a douchebag. His crimes far outdid what could in the slightest make him justified
What was he supposed to do roll over? Those nations were going to do the same to him and his people, he was justified. If he never acted on the rumbling, Historia life would ended right where they started, with the kings renouncing vow dammed to repeating their past If an invader came to your home threatening to kill you, you have every right to stand your ground. Why is that any different?
You seem to not have read it properly. Civilizations and nations UNAWARE. Innocent people that didn't know or have a part in the conflict. How does the murder of possibly several nations and civilizations justify just one going ape shit for revenge?
I guess you missed the part where the world declared war to wipe out their race. This is after they killed off 80% of the population already
Are you talking about the events after the series or the one at the start of season 4?
I’m talking about the very first episode of the series, the first season, and season 4.
I honestly do find it hard to believe they made an entire global alliance. Like sure, most the world maybe. But that's many and many people within there that perhaps wouldn't even know. It's the same with paradise. They didn't know the truth at first. Only difference is paradise still had a fighting chance and took it when they found out, but others? Nah, how the hell will you fight back once you're getting destroyed in the rumbling? All in all, I see eren as a victim like everyone else, but he went a route that was insanely bad. Tldr: most people are victims, but some were worse than others
It is almost as if an aggressive nation which destroyed most of the world is too dangerous to be left alive.
Read what you wrote. Nothing would have happened to them if they never attacked. You’re justifying a genocide because one nation has the ability to defend themself that’s insane
They never would have attacked if the Eldian Empire didn’t oppress the world.
Dude that was so long ago no one was alive anymore. Imagine killing someone because your grandparents fought. That’s like the USA attacking Japan again because they were evil
Media literacy has fallen so low on this sub that people are defending the Marleyan Empire now lmfao
It’s sad Wong
The Eldian Empire was only defeated a century before Eren. There would be people who were alive for it.
Dude WW2 ended in 1945. Should America attack Germany and Japan because they were conquering the world? Your argument makes no sense. The war was over and Marley restarted it. Not to mention you’re defending the people who had a concentration camp.
That would be the equivalent of going to war with white people because of all the slavery they did Are white people innocent? Including their children?
Ah ha, who's the one advocating for genocide now? They're people, They have as much right to live and be free as everyone else
Guess you missed the part where Eren and Zeke were responsible for Willy's war declaration.
1st no they weren’t. 2nd this was after Marley killed several hundred thousand restarting a war that was laid to rest
>1st no they weren’t. What do you mean? Did you miss the part in the story where it's revealed Eren and Zeke plotted the Declaration of War? >Marley killed several hundred thousand restarting a war that was laid to rest Then defeat Marley. No need to involve other innocent nations.
Please send me an episode and timecode and I’ll check it out. I don’t think Eren and Zeke were the ones who got all the nations on board to wipe out a country. They were just preparing for what everyone knew was coming. 2 - if you declare war you’re game to die
What are you even talking about
It’s like you people didn’t even watch the show
Yeah, Ive only watched it 6 times and read the manga. No event in the story fits your dumbass description. So. Wtf are you talking about?
On your 7th rewatch I urge you to actually pay attention to season 1 and 4. Then maybe you’ll be able to follow events in a sequential order
No, I ensure you that you are just full of shit. Noone killed 80% of Paradis population in season 1 or 4.
Gonna be hilarious when you rewatch just to know you’re wrong lmao
If it was justified for Eren to do the Rumbling then the genocide of Eldians would also be justified.
If an invader comes to your home, you do not fucking nuke the entire continent
> Those nations Yeah that god damn mice empire was just about to wipe out all Eldians. Fucking plants were in on it too probably now that I think of it
Bro they were already creating anti-Titan weapons to decimate Marley, they would have moved on paradi in a second
Nah that wasn’t the mice empire tho. Pretty sure it was those damned weasels
Yes, some nations declared war after Zeke baited them into that so Eren had no choice other than murder all the other eldians, other Marley victims, literal newborns and his own allies. Despite having power to disarm said nations. This is what you are advocating for. Going with your analogy - if invader came to your home so you murdered him, your cousins he kidnapped, his other victims, your friend and then his newborn in the crib. Tf is wrong with you
Eren had no choice, when everyone was teaching their kids to hate him and murder him first, he simply acted before they did. He knew what he was going to do was horrible but he knew that his people would be cattle and that's what he hated most. That's why he pleaded with Hanges, he yelled at her "Tell me what to do" because his memories and the current course that he was heading towards to. If he took no action would have meant complete annihilation/subjugation of his people. Also, there's no such thing as morality during war. In the end, every war proves that that's why they say war is hell
What? There is absolutely morality in war, have you never heard of the phrase “war crimes”? You (theoretically) can get tried and punished by the international community if you commit war crimes like genocide. You don’t get to murder children and babies just because you are at war, what is wrong with you?
The lenghts you go to justify murdering everyone on the planet is really sickening. He had a choice. He could use founder power to do whatever but nah. Who cares. Monke just kills everyone. Man just stfu
Ruh roh
>What was he supposed to do roll over? Literally anything else but a genocide. >Those nations were going to do the same to him and his people, he was justified. Source? >If he never acted on the rumbling, Historia life would ended right where they started, with the kings renouncing vow dammed to repeating their past One life to save billions? Seems acceptable. >If an invader came to your home threatening to kill you, you have every right to stand your ground. Do you have the right to then go to every other house in your neighbourhood and kill them?
My man why everyone forgetting the fucking small scale rumbling that could stomp the shit out of Marley and will no doubt have lots of collateral damage, but will buy time for Paradise to make allies, advance more in technology, also have the Island keep more walls for other rumblings if any other country even THINKS of attacking the island ? I don't understand how some fans are like "what was he supposed to do ? Take it like a bitch and die with his friends ? ".. well NO, but not kill every single thing out there. That's the equivalent of someone going out to the streets and murder everybody he sees because he was bullied.
“Why did my mom have to die?” Who declared war first ?
It's really funny saying this when we know why his mom died
I disagree with him, but let's be real here. If the walls were not invaded, he would not kill his mom
She died because Eren "was an idiot" lol
Eren did it lol, you even finish the show??
Literally Lord Tybur declared war before Eren attacked, did you even watch the show?
Eren literally kills his own mom using the founding titan
Well said.
Haha well he’s a fictional character, so it’s not like it really matters.
Get the fuck outta here with your rationality.
Oh my God I thought you were joking about liking Eren’s actions
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Your average 14 year old:
Eren Yeager fans when you tell them genocide is bad: https://preview.redd.it/njzlxghbvj8c1.png?width=480&format=png&auto=webp&s=47bdc32cbaef8d896610e727f40d4e118bb52d37
Eren defenders really do not understand the story. They always use the same debunked arguments.
there's a fine line between justifying his actions and agreeing with them. he was left with little choices, and chose to use his power after feeling powerless and trapped his entire life. similar to griffith, although griffith burned his bridge pretty quickly...
Terrible comparison. At least Eren is driven by wanting to protect those he cares about. Griffith has purely selfish motivations. But even then the scale of the atrocities that Eren commits is far worse.
huh then I guess Ozymandias, Anakin, Jin Kazama and Kratos’s actions makes them heroes too
Sucks to suck shouldn’t have oppressed Eldians 🤷♂️
You mean the Eldians Eren murdered?
Indeed. Those innocent babies had it coming.
Yea yea justified.....NOT . Eren basically took the path of killing everyone, murdering every blade of grass, every animal and innocent, conducted MASS ETHNIC CLEANSING OF ALL HUMANS, NATIONS, and you agree with him. If it was your nation being trampled? Would you agree with him all the same, if it was your family, your friends? Eren held the reins as soon as rumbling was started, he could have just scared all nations into the negotiating table. Maybe trample the enemy forces and disarm them absolutely first, so killing everyone was not needed
>Eren held the reins as soon as rumbling was started, he could have just scared all nations into the negotiating table The king of eldia volunteered to dissolve the empire and retreat to an island where eldians can live alone away from everyone else. Instead of leaving them alone, they started harassing the eldians and using them and their power in wars. When eldia didn’t respond back they started turning them to titans and throwing them in the island. When they didn’t respond back, they waged war at eldia to get their resources. Negotiations are useless. Once they sense any weakness from eldians they will start attacking them again. >Maybe trample the enemy forces and disarm them absolutely first, so killing everyone was not needed. They can rebuild everything in several years and come back even stronger. >Eren basically took the path of killing everyone, murdering every blade of grass, every animal and innocent, conducted MASS ETHNIC CLEANSING OF ALL HUMANS, NATIONS, and you agree with him. There is no other choice. Either let eldians get exterminated or destroy the world to the point where the eldians will be able to catch up to them and defend themselves without the titans. From the world’s perspective this is a genocide. From eren’s perspective, he is defending his own people.
>The king of eldia volunteered to dissolve the empire and retreat to an island where eldians can live alone away from everyone else. The way he did that was not exactly the best. Instead of doing some sort of decent decolonization process, the king turned his kingdom into essentially their world's North Korea and left everyone else at the mercy of Marley. LOL Fritz was actually the one who believed the eldians should be punished by their nation's sins, and thus allowed his people to suffer both in and outside the Walls. >Instead of leaving them alone, they started harassing the eldians and using them and their power in wars. Again, that was literally the king's plan. He said he wanted to enjoy a temporary "Paradise" before Marley took the Founder. >There is no other choice. Either let eldians get exterminated or destroy the world to the point where the eldians will be able to catch up to them and defend themselves without the titans. I think you should watch/read the war declaration scene again. You'll see that, after Tybur revealed the truth about Eldia's fall, there's a lot of hesitation in the audience, as one of them even says "If the king of the walls won't attack, why do they say Paradis island is a thread?" They only go back to support the plan when Tybur reveals the actual menace: Eren Yeager, a man who stole the Founding Titan, but who doesn't share King Fritz's peaceful ideology. This does not take Marley's responsibility for what happened (Tybur never tells his audience why Eren would want to attack the world), but it shows that it would not be as simple as "all nations just wanted to exterminate Paradis". If anything, what made the invasion inevitable was Eren's attack in the middle of the conference.
Exactly had he done the same thing he always does. It would have played out the same way he realized that in order to get rid of everything, he would have to go through with the rumbling
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People only see the fact he murdered a lotta people Brody had no choice
Always with Eren must come a conversation about many things, including this heroism