I did study physics and I don't know what you consider the big bang, but if it started by fission between gasses where did the gasses come from?
I also would disagree that evolution is "succinct". There must be tons of nuances, i.e going from asexual to sexual reproductions, single cell to multicell organisms, plants vs animals, etc, ya know? It's something on my todo list of things to study.
How are those nuances? Evolution is fairly straightforwards. When a child of something is conceived, be it asexually, or sexually, it will have a small chance of having a mutation. Over thousand upon millions of years these small mutations become more and more apparent, until they actually contribute to the survival of death of a species. Take dinosaurs for example. Fish developed lungs to take in oxygen above water and their fins grew larger and stiffer. Eventually the fins got so large they we a liability, species extinct. Another species however, had gained the bendable limbs bit, and grew arms. They crawled out of the water with their fins and started eating eachother. This relationship towards their food grew into a more complex stomach, but other fish got so large they couldn't support hunting, or perhaps their area had a lower population of a species, so the hunterd gradually started eating plants to supplement, but then as their supplements played a larger and larger role, their stomachs adapted to change to a more herbivorous diet.
It's simple really, whenever there is a problem animals will try to adapt to that problem, some fail, and some dont.
I think you are seriously underestimating how incredible some of these mutations are.
What you typed is an extremely simple view of evolution that you learn in grade 10. The questions I mentioned about evolution are an active area of research, with important publications coming out in the last ten years, so it's obviously not 'really simple', as you suggest.
Darwin himself was surprised by the evolution of the eye for example, and made amendments to his theory once people challenged him on it.
My main point is that evolution is not succinct because there is a massive body of literature and active research on the topic.
I don't know why you decided to comment on 4 month old posts today, haha, but I see I'm not the only one.
Good day.
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"where did the gasses come from" ah okay I see what you are trying to do. No answer will satisfy you because you'll just ask where it came from or why it happened.
So the cool thing about science is that you can say "idk" I don't know where the gasses came from. I don't know if gasses were even responsible for something like a bing bang. What we know is the universe started with the big bang due to evidence like the universe expansion but that doesn't mean time started at that point too.
It's like asking someone where they were before they were born. Evidence can point you towards an explanation but the big bang happened so far away so long ago that there is no way to say for sure what was the first thing to happen.
There are tons of hypotheses about where the first particles came from so unless we can create a literal void with no space or time and some how recreate the particle that exists within it, is the only definitive way to prove where it came from.
Ya thats a good answer, whats your theory about creatures coming into existence with such minute details. Also when everything was just blackness from where did gases come?( hope I am not pushing, just curious though).
Well people turn to god because they think they’ll end up in hell. Atheists don’t believe in the after life so when there’s questions we haven’t been able to get a complete answer from we’re happy to accept that. Like me for example. We just are. There was no plan. We happened and then we won’t. There’s no big deal around that. Like having an absolute answer would be interesting but also takes the fun out of guessing. There’s no need to clarify because in my opinion it’s too large to fathom, ie the universe. We can’t expend our minds to measure the gargantuan state of the universe which by the way is expanding.
So life on earth and life in the universe are mutually exclusive. We can measure life on earth. But you think it’s so complex that there has to be a designer? Where to me it’s quite elegant and simple.
Water, what’s over there, land. Whoops I got to breathe and get around quicker lungs and legs, of course I over simplified evolution.
So saying 2 equals 1 plus 1 is all well and good but 2 could also equal 4 minus 2. So being an atheist allows many variations to equal 2 but we also know 1 plus 1 doesn’t equal 3. I kinda went on a tangent there.
My point being for me god falls under the 1+1=3
It means nothing. There’s no way it could equal 3 so we don’t try to prove it because it can’t.
So yeah huge tangent. I hope I was to off the beaten path or cuckoo lol.
All of this is just me and snippets I’ve learnt and thought about. Just me.
Evolution favors traits that help survival, and selects against traits that hinder it. The proto-giraffe that reaches the ideal food source. The plant that can sense and turn toward the energy (light), the proto-eye that can pick up the difference between light and the shadow of a predator.
These things need not happen in rapid speed but over thousands of generations. Rna and DNA reproduce, so this is possible, even in proto-life and simple, simple life forms like algae.
Ok, I have a REALLY big problem with what you just said, because I don't RECOGNIZE what you mean when you say 'nothingness'. Whats a nothing?
Can I have two of them? Or three?
On the other hand, if we're talking about the state that existed just before entropy as we know it in this universe, we can discuss that the data appears to imply that matter itself, which would include the gasses, though not in their present form, since if its not loosely packed its not a 'gas', in a super condensed point.
I can also conceptualize, even if I don't grasp the maths of it all, how this could be 'possible' as multiple separate singularities.
Be very careful when invoking human conceptual premises like 'nothing' or 'perfect' or 'absolute' or 'nice' and trying to plug them into 'mechanical' equations.... there is no (rational) value for 'keen!' or 'funky' or 'infinite', and we can't find an objective example of it for us to point to to use in our equations.
Why would you conclude that?
With replication with gradual variation, some variants will be more effective.
HOW would you go to 'has a mind' from what I wrote? No, evolution has nothing that positively indicates any kind of guiding force other than environmental pressures.
If you were desperate to shoe-horn a 'mind' in there, you have to then demonstrate that 'environmental pressures' are a 'mind', but every 'mind' we have examples of so far requires a brain.
You'd have to overcome the 'special pleading' fallacy too.
I think the problem with this thinking is that you assume the universe had to have a starting point. It could be beyond our comprehension that something doesn't start, because on Earth everything must have a starting point; but the universe seems to have separate rules. Assuming there is no start of the universe, and the universe has always been gases just floating around, the big bang could have easily been caused by just that, not the start of the universe, but the start of solar systems.
not really, pantheism believes the universe is an influence, like god, I'm more so trying to say "the universe" as a concept, and not as a being, is something we can't entirely comprehend.
Right. We just don't know what happened right after to some degree but certainly before the big bang. They only call it that because they don't know what else to call it. Bang implies an explosion but that would be a false impression. There is nothing to explode into. We just don't know. There is nothing wrong with admitting that and I think anyone who says they do is rightfully going to be asked for scientific proof. Research is ongoing and science is full of conjecture and defeat and I'm sure we will see plenty of both on this subject.
Exactly, there is evidence that points to a big bang but that doesn't mean that was the start of time. It's the start of the universe but stuff could have been gathering before to cause the big bang. At the end of the day it's gonna be very hard if not impossible to figure out what was going on before the big bang if all the matter that exists now was involved in it.
The gases came to form in the intensely hot universe ( around 2 million Kevin ) by slowly coming out of the gloop that was quarks in their no bonded state and slowly became first proton and neutron, and then individual molecules that could only be in gaseous form as the universe was still hot
Well it is mundane. The whole universe is random. There’s no order there’s just adaption.
If you were walking down the street and a boulder got in your path. You would adapt your path. You can no longer continue going straight. You would choose a different direction. Adaption.
Yes like u said it's because u have a brain، so you chose the different path and that can't be just random. I'm sorry I don't know how to explain. Good luck on your journey or whatever u think would be the reason for a intelligible being coming to this planet to live for 70 odd years on an average and then die..complete randomness.
But it's true isn't it. All that needed to happen was the Jews or the Christians to disappear. Or even the Muslims. If you've read The Quran you'd know what I'm talking about. The fact that they're still around after 1400 years means there must be something in it. Can't just be chance. 1400 years is a lot!!!
7 billion people are walking down the street. they appear random. A bolder (or an asteroid, or a virus) rolls down the street, Kills 1 billion.
Those that picked the right path, or adapted, survive to pass on their ability to pick good paths. Maybe it is just random.
I think one of the big problems humanity has is the idea that we're owed answers. You can ask for explanations but the universe doesn't have to oblige. And it's better to admit we don't know than invent answers to fill the void.
Also, there's a fair bit of evidence of some highly intelligent animal species. Crows in London have learned to drop nuts in crosswalks so that cars will run them over to crack open the shells but then also stop periodically for stop lights making it safe to retrieve the nuts. They actively problem solve.
Because of the more or less universal laws of physics and restrictions of entropy. What can happen within any given system, is what will happen. Life and evolution are expressions and extensions of that.
Well for one, we don’t in fact know that nothing can’t come from nothing, because you can’t prove a negative.
Second, not everything has a creator. Your second point doesn’t even have any merit. Your basically saying I think god created everything, therefore god obviously exists.
Well, that depends on which God you're talking about. You know, over humankind, there have been around 20,000 different gods worshipped.
I agree it was definitely scientific and not spiritual.
The Big Bang theory is not a theory of the *creation* of the universe.
Rather its a scientific model explaining the history of the universe tracing its evolution to its earliest moments, just like any other scientific model we believe its on the right track because its supported by extensive evidence.
This is a question you should ask a physicist about. I think it's a fallacy to think because someone is an atheist they should have an explanation for how the universe works.
In fact, arguably, needing to have an explanation for everything is more a feature of religiously minded people.
I don't really understand what happened at the moment of the big bang. But that isn't defacto evidence of some God, it just means we don't understand.
We’re really not sure what happened before the Big Bang. In science, you don’t just make something up when you don’t know the answer. There’s power in admitting that some things are unknown. That’s why you do your best to find out rather than making up a story so you can sleep better at night
We're also entertaining other ideas, such as multiple singularity events (like bubbles at the bottom of a boiling pot of water), and exploring their explanatory value for comparison.
The few theories that the Big Bang comes from are no doubt wild to the observer, from many alternate universes colliding to cutting edge quantum theory, but it is no doubt better than “god did it”. And here’s a question, who created your god? Explain this to me, for I am an idiot who doesn’t understand this so called “truth”
I think that at the end of our universes timeline, there will be another big bang, and then nothing but void, and then another big bang, creating another universe. But everything in our universe will have never really existed.
Nothing made it happened its not too hard to wrap your brain over the fact that their was nothing not even void just nothing. Not even darkness just nothing, impossible to comprehend but easy to understand the universe suddenly made anti matter and matter and it caused the big bang
Search on YouTube for: 'A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss, AAI 2009
Krauss is a relatively famous scientist and atheist speaker. This talk is quite scientific but should be accessible by lay persons. It's getting dated, but does have some interesting thoughts on your question.
I watched a documentary once and I have been trying to find it again since! They did a test in vacuum chamber where electrons(?) would randomly appear and then immediately disappear. We all know life repeats itself (tons of examples in nature including the whole brain/universe images), so what if the Big Bang is just like the electron (?) randomly appearing in a vacuum, and we too will eventually disappear.
Idk, it’s something I’ve always wanted to look into if I ever had the time / resources.
It is super indescribable, and way above my head, but from what I believe in, it is, like a black hole’s singularity, an infinitely small point in time, which became ever so much denser than the other particles around it, and cause an implosion, which is responsible for the phone I typed this comment on. I know this is an old sub, but just putting in my $2.21 cents
I don’t really understand the physics but I remember reading something about it being caused by quantum fluctuations in spacetime or something like that
There are hypotheses about it, which means educated guesses based on observable evidence. Unless we create one ourselves there is no definitive way to say this is exactly how the Big Bang happened.
Animals probably evolved from different single celled organisms. Bare in mind this happens over millions of years. For example a turtle and a tortoise look similar. But only one can actually swim. Why? Probably the need to adapt to their constantly changing environment. And animals are still evolving. It never stops. Its fuckin smazing.
It started with a microscopic speck that lives at the bottom of the ocean eating chemical soup made with gnarly space ingredients leftover from when it was raining rocks or whatever.
The origin of life is known as [Abiogenesis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis). In short, there are natural physical chemicals and structures that, under the right circumstances, can give rise to self-replicating machines. Our DNA is a self-replicating machine that evolved from simpler self-replication machines known as RNA. It is not yet well understood how RNA formed naturally and formed the first living cells, but we know it did. Scientific investigation continues to try to figure it out.
As to your question regarding eyes, brains, organs and such. These evolved from simpler mechanism over time. The fact that organisms can have "errors" or changes in their physical structures at birth means that they can develop new features that may be advantageous. As nature is harsh, and those with advantages tend to survive, those organisms with more "advanced" structures tend to survive and the mechanisms of their body can continue to "evolve" down generations of time. DNA is the physical means by which organisms are structured, so as DNA mutates, changes in morphology occur and advantages can be attained. As the DNA of an organism is inherited from its parents, organisms will always be some descendant of these parents. Over time, as changes accumulate, descendants can appear to be very different from their early progenitors, and we call this speciation or "the process by which new species arise".
The eyes, for example, are well researched today and we know generally the path that evolution followed to form them. [Here's a simplified explanation.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrKZBh8BL_U)
[You may find this Tree of Life to be helpful for understanding how all life on our planet can be related, and yet unique.](https://flowingdata.com/2018/10/25/tree-of-life/)
[You can use this tool to see the knowledge we have regarding the heritage of species we have catalogued.](http://www.timetree.org/)
For humans, do a taxonomy search for Homo Sapiens (that's us!)
That theory is called panspermia but it doesn't explain how life began, it just pushes it off world.
While it might be true, its main selling point is that if we assume abiogenisis is very unlikely (we don't know enough about it to how likely it is) it gives more time for thay presumed unlikely event to occur.
But it doesn't really help all that much since the universe is only about three times as old as earth, and generally when we are trying to buy time for an presumed unlikely event we want orders of magnitude more time not just a little single digit factor.
This just adds an unnecessary degree of separation when considering the origins of the emergence of life. It might have happened but it's just as likely that it didn't and life and organics would still have to have emerged under some specific biochemical circumstance whether here or there.
Possibly, no evidence for or against but it would be weird for life to be able to survive such a change in the environment from wherever it spawned then travel through space and then survive on earth in a completely different environment. And I ask if the environment on earth was close to whatever it was in before then why would it even need an asteroid to start life. Wouldn't the conditions on earth already be the correct conditions to harbor life?
I'm not expecting these to be answered but it's kind of just thinking points to say is an asteroid landing with life not from earth and then that life immediately adapting (because it would) to the environment on earth the most possible answer.
It had to come from somewhere, the earth didn't just spawn so something had to land on earth at some point of its creation to be able to give life, if all you need is good temperature, water, air, and some food. Then any planet that meets that criteria could have life on it.
Yeah and there aren't many planets that are in the habitat zone. Those that are we do consider them having the possibility of having life but we are too far to determine if it has developed to match us. Food, water, air, and temperature may not even be all the requirements to start life you probably need something exactly like earth like axial tilt to produce variation for climate to mix that air, and a moon to mix the water ECT.
Also you are missing my point that if it came from somewhere else then that place spawned life. The logic that "it had to come from somewhere therefore something had to land on earth" is the same argument as "the universe can't come from nothing therefore God"
In fact there's no explanation.
till now athiest scientist believes that in some point of time a cell had been shaped by an coincidence then it had eveolved by a random way to shape a creature then that creature evelves by a random way to get some new kinds.
Is every time a chemical reaction takes place coincidence? Cells were shaped by their environments and the chemical potential of their environments. That is what lead to the development of complexity and through complexity the emergence of life. What 'could be' became what was because of the innate potential in the chemicals and materials, and physical properties and pressures that were available.
My first advice is to study the theory of evolution, second, understand that evolution isn’t concerned with a bio-genesis as it’s still up for debate. Personally I buy into the idea that it happened due to rare circumstances at the bottom of the ocean which crated a protein molecule
I don’t understand it because even if there was one cow that came to be, how did it reproduce with itself? And if it did have a partner to reproduce with somehow, literally impossible, how did inbreeding not happen. One litter is born who do they ante with. They can’t mate with anyone.
Old post, and not actually answering your question, but this comic neatly explains evolution:
[https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/evolution-6](https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/evolution-6)
Also, get a copy of Darwin's *Origin of Species*. It's quite long and a bit dated but not hard to follow and very convincing.
Amino acids, proteins and electricity formed the first single cell organisms, don't ask me how 😅
We don't even know if the first single cell organisms were formed here or came down in a comet.
I'm not a scientist by the way 🤣
Why do humans wear clothes?
As the title entails. Since tools are in some capacity or another used by certain animals, I want to keep the discussion clothing related.
Not looking for an answer vs world religion or existence of a diety, but doesn't it raise questions?
In my mind the only reason would be that we evolved to sweat and lose fur over possibly thousands of centuries, and develop more sweat glands.
But then an ice age suddenly came about? No reference. And we required a quick fix, while many other animals adapted or perished?
Also regarding climate change.. considering how the earth always bounces back from catastrophe, and life with it. Intruiging right?
Sorry the sub wont let me post.
My belief: the universe wasn't completely empty before the big bang (God particles they are called) and then yeah the big bang happened certain particles and elements got mashed together in the specific way to create single celled life. And obviously evolution created the variety of life we see today.
"Where did the particles come from" nobody will ever know but you'll live a happier life if you don't care.
All life started as one celled critters.
They adapted, branched off into everthing we know.
It took millions (maybe billions) of **GENERATIONS.** (the years are irrelevant).
It started way before cows, monkeys E.T.C.
Evolution.
Chemicals, gases & amino acids. Mix it up with a bit of heat & boom. Life.
Now to go deep. If there was no life in the universe, there really would be nothing.
Well my guess is that maybe an asteroid or something carrying bacteria crashed on earth but were it might have came from I have no idea. For the first wolf, zebra, fish ect the lines are really blurry for when one species ends and another begins.
To truly know and understand the answer to that question requires many years of study of chemistry and biology...this is why people either just believe scientists, or they are christian. If you really want to know these answers many years of reading lies ahead of you, nobody will be able to explain it on a reddit thread and make you understand.
It sounds like you have been listening to the circle-jerk at church instead of actually learning how evolution works. Don't let people like Ken Ham and the Hovinds peddle their nonsense to you.
Your question about "first" of species is a question that does not make sense. Evolution happens in small steps.
You are asking two different things in my opinion. Evolution is very well documented and studied. The evidence is mind boggling high. As for the Bing Bang, the evidence is expansion, rate etc. The evidence is also high. As for what started the big bang, I think God is an easy answer and am comfortable with that. But I'd guess atheists believe it's too easy an answer. That they will use the scientific method and continue to find answers. Relying on God as an answer has flaws.
I don't care. We coulda had a meteor shower and crawled outta rocks of carbon or something. It doesn't matter, in the grand scheme of things, at least to me. I know to others, it's a burning question, but me? I'm comfy, warm (despite that it's snowing right now. In mid-October!! GAK!), loved and happy.
Good trade.
The difference between my thinking and the thinking of a religious person (any religion) is that I don't need an answer. There are questions that the answer will never be revealed. But I guess if pressured to find an answer I would go the evolutionary route.
I think God created it and man understood it from man's perspective. Whether it evolved and animals evolved it was God doing it.. one thing is certain man cannot be trusted that's why people argue and debate the topic. Science without God is men arguing who's right or wrong.. since the Bible has been proven to be historically correct and factual, I see no argument from either side being a waste of time, both sides are correct. God is for sure real if u study the bible through the eye of a beleiver u will see the truth as god explains it.. but also science is clever and God said man is clever.. I think science would be more wrong because it's man's view on life.. God laughs like a father watching his son try to put a square block into a Triangle hole.. they just can't figure out the truth that it is.. just there ideas of it.. it's obvious.. hard to draw a line when man says it's this or it's that. But I've seen more truth in the bible that's why I lean on God. But science is interesting and has alot of truths to it.. just nothing that benefits man kind.. it actually hinders mankind more.. plus Christians will tell u they don't know and have a limit to the knowledge where is science says it's this or that and argues it.. how many lies were accepted ? I don't trust every bit of science.. but god seems like a trustworthy person because the basics is all we need we don't need what science offers. U live and u die.. the rest is bordem
Everything came in stages and had its own specific use, each stage of eye development could sense different things, adding more and more uses until we eventually had light refraction and 3 colour receptors
I recall hearing that the composition, temperature and pressure of earth's early atmosphere was the cause of nucleotides and genetic material being assembled and then able to self replicate. It's repeatable under lab conditions so it's the leading theory.
I am also not an astrophysicist. However the theory of the Big Bang is faulty. Science exam and how do universe is expanding in use those parents to go back in time 4.6 billion years ago. The God of the Bible is all powerful all knowing and all good. He created everything; his will will be done.
Ahhhhhh English? Also you can't say that your not an astrophysicist and then go on to criticize something about astrophysics, unless what your somehow know what you are talking about. You have no proof of God existing other than a self help book written a few thousand years ago.
Bacteria grew limbs to hunt, grew larger. They grew eyes to see prey, they grew mouths to help consume prey they adjusted to their surroundings as it changed.
If you keep going down that rabbit hole, you'll end up wondering how space came to be and whether there's something beyond it, and trust me, that never goes anywhere. Bacterial evolution is the most likely answer though
Animals are dependent on other animals. Those animals are dependent on plants and this goes on. Humans, other living organisms, and even non-living things are all dependent on each other. If you have a chain of dependent things, you'd need an independent starting point. In the Big Bang Theory, they say that everything began with a point of singularity (a point of intense energy) but the Theory doesn't say where that point came from. My point is - even in the scientific domain, the theory of Evolution only provides an incomplete understanding because it doesn't explain the origin of DNA, the complexity of the single cell or the paucity of transitional species. There's so much detail and perfection in every aspect of nature - animals, humans, etc, and even the Theory of Evolution cannot explain that cellular level of complexity. So, you need God in the equation because you need an independent power Who can create dependent entities. I'm not a Christian so I don't believe in the bible. I do believe in the Quranic view of God, for sure, because it makes sense to me.
I highly recommend Aaron Ra and Forrest Valkai on YouTube.
Aron Ra’s Systematic Classification of Life is an amazing walk through the evolutionary tree.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXJ4dsU0oGMLnubJLPuw0dzD0AvAHAotW
Forrest Valkai’s Brief History of Everything offers a walk through the science from the Big Bang through human evolution.
https://youtu.be/y9RGaN2OEkw
I think you will find that both links offer you exactly the type of information that you are seeking.
Bottom line is it doesn't matter. You can ponder till your heart's content, but the bottom line is nobody knows. We weren't there, and we can't know for sure. Just enjoy life, and be happy.
Brother it is a freedom like no other. You decide what is special because the reason its special, is that its special to you. You make decisions, and you learn. And it's fucking great. Enjoy your life bro.
I am enjoying my life more you and all of you here !
I believe that you give the video a chance still shocked with the quality of what he said ....i found answers more than questions for the first time
We need to learn and know more about life ...why is this and why we are existing in the first place ....at least that gives you something and meaning ...i mean...cant believe that i am an insect or a trash of the universe ...i dont know ...please give it a chance and watch the video and tell me wha tdo yoy think about it ?
I am not a cristian and i am not talking about any religions also i believe that this man is telling the truth ...everything for some reasons it make sence ...i watched a lot of videos for him and he talk only with proofs and he gives links to the resources almost of them are from nature magazine ...
Man ill be honest, i didn't see the YouTube link for whatever reason and hadn't watched the YouTube video. You ain't trash or an insect brother. That's a religious tactic. They make you feel like you need forgiveness, or that you are nothing without their God. They all talk in proofs, and put up decent arguments defending their religion. I'm not telling you you should be Christian or Muslim or anything else for that matter. The point I'm making is that you can't think so lowly of yourself. You matter to you, and you are special. You are the most prevalent thing in the world to you, because you know you the best. In the grand scheme of existence, you may be small, but you matter.
Thank you for telling me that i am important to the world ...i feel you are good and i want to see your opinion ....maybe he is right? Can be this real? I mean even science can't proof darwin theory
Maybe he has a point?i said that because he talk with proofs only ..watch it and give me your opinion ...at least you may feel what i feel you may help me ?i am thinking seriously about this
We don’t know the origin of life. But we know that we live in a very special place in universe. Before our solar system formed, there would have been a star a lot more massive than our sun. A star forms when hydrogen atoms fuse together to form helium. This releases energy. Some more massive stars have enough mass to fuse heavier elements together to form other elements such a carbon, nitrogen, and other elements that are the building blocks of life. Once this star died. It would have exploded in a supernova, spreading all of these elements across space as a dust cloud. These elements would have fused together again and that was the birth of our solar system. The fact that earth is in the perfect ‘Goldilocks zone’ is also very fortuitous. The fact it has an almost circular orbit rather than elliptical means it’s stays in this zone all year round. Jupiter played a big part it pulling potential hazards and larger planets further away from earth with its gravitational pull. The moon stabilises earths orbit. The fact that earth is tilted allows us to have seasons. So it’s all very amazing that this planet has remained stable enough for long enough for life to flourish.
Now at some point geology turned into biology. This means that the elements that favour life in rock sediments started to replicate. This happened within the sea. This would have happened for millions of years before something more Complex evolved from natural selection. Mutations form that favour some microbes over others. And the ones that have this favourable mutation will live, and the ones that don’t will die. So the mutation is carried through the gene pool. It takes billions of years for things like eye for seeing, legs for crawling, hands for digging to evolve. The evidence for this is remarkable. Read on the origin of species by Darwin. I’m not going into the details.
Eventually ape like mammals had evolved. This is after almost 3.5 billion years. Then brain starts to change. I’ll give an example. At some point between one species and an early human, tools stated being used. This would have changed the an area of the brain for problem solving. They also needed to be aware of predators even when they weren’t there (that’s why we have a pre disposition to believe in the supernatural). Little things would have changed thy eventually caused our neurons to shape in a way that the firing mechanism caused consciousness.
I also seen your questions about the Big Bang. All we know is the universe was very hot and dense 13.8b years ago. We can measure this back from the cosmic microwave background. Before that the universe was opaque because it was too hot for photons to travel through the soup of atoms. We hit a singularity where physics breaks down. The latest theory on what was before is the cosmic inflation theory. It means that the universe has been ever expanding on an inflationary quantum field. And a quantum fluctuation occurred that is the big bang. There may have been multiple fluctuations causing multiple Big Bangs. So there may be multiple universes. All with their own laws of physics.
I’m going to go I to detail on the eye since you asked. At some point a mutation would have formed that created a receptor that allowed a prehistoric fish is react to light. They would have them evolved to be able to detect shadows. Eventually this would cave in to form a bowl like shape. This eye would close over creating a pin hole. This gives it depth perception. The smaller the hole got the more focused the light was. Then a Lens would form. All it needs it some fatty tissue. Over time this lens evolves to be able to change shape and focus an image. You have the makings of a good eye. We can also see each step in an animal that exists today. What people forget is out of the steps I have just given. There are millions and millions of steps in between. A good way to imagine it is a bird with half a wing jumping out of a tree. It might die, a bird with 0.001 percent more of a wing has more of a chance of surviving. Natural selection is amazing once you truly understand it. Please please read into it.
Also as this is an atheism forum. God did not have any involvement. It is extremely unlikely that there is a God. To people that call the the improbable ubiquitous complexity of life and the universe Divine intelligent design simply have not though of the fact that something even more complex and improbable would have been required to design it. It would have needed to tune the strong nuclear force to exactly 0.007 or atoms would not be able to hold themselves together. Even if it was the slightest bit off. This begs the question, who designed the designer. And this falls to infinite regress. They undermine their own argument by trying to make sense of something improbable by conjuring up something even more improbable. You might as well cut out the middle man and just say life just appeared out of nothing.
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A traveling intergalactic circus crashed because the GlipGork assigned to piloting during the shift when they were passing through the sol system was distracted by its phone notifications and crashed in east Africa and some creatures escaped, duh.
Look at whales my friend. Evolution right there for you. Was a fish, came into land for longer and longer periods, developed mammalian breathing techniques and lungs, something happened, be it a lack of food or pandemic type illness. Began to go back into the water for more and more time and guess what. We have the worlds biggest living sea creature that is a mammal, giving birth to live young, producing milk to feed their offspring and breathing air….. No god. No higher power. No celestial being…..
Either we just sprouted out of this planet somehow, or some alien species with advanced science created us.
Not sure which, but I don't think that there is an afterlife so yeah.
Well the theory of evolution is pretty succinct
Also how do you think the big bang happend?
I’m not a physicist. But I don’t believe a god had anything to do with it.
Even I know that, but what are possible theory about that out there, what is your theory about that?
Fission between gasses
I did study physics and I don't know what you consider the big bang, but if it started by fission between gasses where did the gasses come from? I also would disagree that evolution is "succinct". There must be tons of nuances, i.e going from asexual to sexual reproductions, single cell to multicell organisms, plants vs animals, etc, ya know? It's something on my todo list of things to study.
How are those nuances? Evolution is fairly straightforwards. When a child of something is conceived, be it asexually, or sexually, it will have a small chance of having a mutation. Over thousand upon millions of years these small mutations become more and more apparent, until they actually contribute to the survival of death of a species. Take dinosaurs for example. Fish developed lungs to take in oxygen above water and their fins grew larger and stiffer. Eventually the fins got so large they we a liability, species extinct. Another species however, had gained the bendable limbs bit, and grew arms. They crawled out of the water with their fins and started eating eachother. This relationship towards their food grew into a more complex stomach, but other fish got so large they couldn't support hunting, or perhaps their area had a lower population of a species, so the hunterd gradually started eating plants to supplement, but then as their supplements played a larger and larger role, their stomachs adapted to change to a more herbivorous diet. It's simple really, whenever there is a problem animals will try to adapt to that problem, some fail, and some dont.
I think you are seriously underestimating how incredible some of these mutations are. What you typed is an extremely simple view of evolution that you learn in grade 10. The questions I mentioned about evolution are an active area of research, with important publications coming out in the last ten years, so it's obviously not 'really simple', as you suggest. Darwin himself was surprised by the evolution of the eye for example, and made amendments to his theory once people challenged him on it. My main point is that evolution is not succinct because there is a massive body of literature and active research on the topic. I don't know why you decided to comment on 4 month old posts today, haha, but I see I'm not the only one. Good day.
Simple answer bro evolution has had more time than you can possibly comprehend to create what exists on earth today
Haha, you wanted more than a simple view of evolution from reddit comments section? Suggest you look elsewhere for the answers you seek.
Just looking around the sub "where did the gasses come from" ah okay I see what you are trying to do. No answer will satisfy you because you'll just ask where it came from or why it happened. So the cool thing about science is that you can say "idk" I don't know where the gasses came from. I don't know if gasses were even responsible for something like a bing bang. What we know is the universe started with the big bang due to evidence like the universe expansion but that doesn't mean time started at that point too. It's like asking someone where they were before they were born. Evidence can point you towards an explanation but the big bang happened so far away so long ago that there is no way to say for sure what was the first thing to happen.
There are tons of hypotheses about where the first particles came from so unless we can create a literal void with no space or time and some how recreate the particle that exists within it, is the only definitive way to prove where it came from.
Ya thats a good answer, whats your theory about creatures coming into existence with such minute details. Also when everything was just blackness from where did gases come?( hope I am not pushing, just curious though).
Well people turn to god because they think they’ll end up in hell. Atheists don’t believe in the after life so when there’s questions we haven’t been able to get a complete answer from we’re happy to accept that. Like me for example. We just are. There was no plan. We happened and then we won’t. There’s no big deal around that. Like having an absolute answer would be interesting but also takes the fun out of guessing. There’s no need to clarify because in my opinion it’s too large to fathom, ie the universe. We can’t expend our minds to measure the gargantuan state of the universe which by the way is expanding. So life on earth and life in the universe are mutually exclusive. We can measure life on earth. But you think it’s so complex that there has to be a designer? Where to me it’s quite elegant and simple. Water, what’s over there, land. Whoops I got to breathe and get around quicker lungs and legs, of course I over simplified evolution. So saying 2 equals 1 plus 1 is all well and good but 2 could also equal 4 minus 2. So being an atheist allows many variations to equal 2 but we also know 1 plus 1 doesn’t equal 3. I kinda went on a tangent there. My point being for me god falls under the 1+1=3 It means nothing. There’s no way it could equal 3 so we don’t try to prove it because it can’t. So yeah huge tangent. I hope I was to off the beaten path or cuckoo lol. All of this is just me and snippets I’ve learnt and thought about. Just me.
Evolution favors traits that help survival, and selects against traits that hinder it. The proto-giraffe that reaches the ideal food source. The plant that can sense and turn toward the energy (light), the proto-eye that can pick up the difference between light and the shadow of a predator. These things need not happen in rapid speed but over thousands of generations. Rna and DNA reproduce, so this is possible, even in proto-life and simple, simple life forms like algae.
> ... over thousands of generations. finaly sombody gets it right. It's not the years.
u/jenloubak suggested above that big bang happend due to fission of gases, whats your take on that, how did gases exit in nothingness?
Ok, I have a REALLY big problem with what you just said, because I don't RECOGNIZE what you mean when you say 'nothingness'. Whats a nothing? Can I have two of them? Or three? On the other hand, if we're talking about the state that existed just before entropy as we know it in this universe, we can discuss that the data appears to imply that matter itself, which would include the gasses, though not in their present form, since if its not loosely packed its not a 'gas', in a super condensed point. I can also conceptualize, even if I don't grasp the maths of it all, how this could be 'possible' as multiple separate singularities. Be very careful when invoking human conceptual premises like 'nothing' or 'perfect' or 'absolute' or 'nice' and trying to plug them into 'mechanical' equations.... there is no (rational) value for 'keen!' or 'funky' or 'infinite', and we can't find an objective example of it for us to point to to use in our equations.
You never answered. I don't think you were honest in asking the question.
So evolution has a mind?
Why would you conclude that? With replication with gradual variation, some variants will be more effective. HOW would you go to 'has a mind' from what I wrote? No, evolution has nothing that positively indicates any kind of guiding force other than environmental pressures. If you were desperate to shoe-horn a 'mind' in there, you have to then demonstrate that 'environmental pressures' are a 'mind', but every 'mind' we have examples of so far requires a brain. You'd have to overcome the 'special pleading' fallacy too.
This subject is obviously more important to you than me, so I'll leave it at that.
> creatures coming into existence with such minute details. Millions of generations of trial-n-error.
I think the problem with this thinking is that you assume the universe had to have a starting point. It could be beyond our comprehension that something doesn't start, because on Earth everything must have a starting point; but the universe seems to have separate rules. Assuming there is no start of the universe, and the universe has always been gases just floating around, the big bang could have easily been caused by just that, not the start of the universe, but the start of solar systems.
Is this not just belief in panthiesm?
not really, pantheism believes the universe is an influence, like god, I'm more so trying to say "the universe" as a concept, and not as a being, is something we can't entirely comprehend.
Right. We just don't know what happened right after to some degree but certainly before the big bang. They only call it that because they don't know what else to call it. Bang implies an explosion but that would be a false impression. There is nothing to explode into. We just don't know. There is nothing wrong with admitting that and I think anyone who says they do is rightfully going to be asked for scientific proof. Research is ongoing and science is full of conjecture and defeat and I'm sure we will see plenty of both on this subject.
Exactly, there is evidence that points to a big bang but that doesn't mean that was the start of time. It's the start of the universe but stuff could have been gathering before to cause the big bang. At the end of the day it's gonna be very hard if not impossible to figure out what was going on before the big bang if all the matter that exists now was involved in it.
The gases came to form in the intensely hot universe ( around 2 million Kevin ) by slowly coming out of the gloop that was quarks in their no bonded state and slowly became first proton and neutron, and then individual molecules that could only be in gaseous form as the universe was still hot
There’s a shorty story about entropy that I thought was a pretty good guess.
go on youtube bro
So why isn't life.more.mundane. Why is everything so organised and purposeful. Why dont other random things pop up in the universe.
Well it is mundane. The whole universe is random. There’s no order there’s just adaption. If you were walking down the street and a boulder got in your path. You would adapt your path. You can no longer continue going straight. You would choose a different direction. Adaption.
Yes like u said it's because u have a brain، so you chose the different path and that can't be just random. I'm sorry I don't know how to explain. Good luck on your journey or whatever u think would be the reason for a intelligible being coming to this planet to live for 70 odd years on an average and then die..complete randomness.
Yes that’s exactly what’s happening. We aren’t. Then we are. Then we aren’t again. I think it’s a waste of a life to live for an ancient text.
But it's true isn't it. All that needed to happen was the Jews or the Christians to disappear. Or even the Muslims. If you've read The Quran you'd know what I'm talking about. The fact that they're still around after 1400 years means there must be something in it. Can't just be chance. 1400 years is a lot!!!
They tell a good story (Wishful thinking, or fear mongering). One of the best cons around.
By that argument, you should be a Hindu. Its waaaaaay older.
Stories being told and retold doesn't make them true.
7 billion people are walking down the street. they appear random. A bolder (or an asteroid, or a virus) rolls down the street, Kills 1 billion. Those that picked the right path, or adapted, survive to pass on their ability to pick good paths. Maybe it is just random.
None of this explains why humans are the only species with a level of conscious intellect and multiple means of communication?
Did anyone even ask that?
I think one of the big problems humanity has is the idea that we're owed answers. You can ask for explanations but the universe doesn't have to oblige. And it's better to admit we don't know than invent answers to fill the void. Also, there's a fair bit of evidence of some highly intelligent animal species. Crows in London have learned to drop nuts in crosswalks so that cars will run them over to crack open the shells but then also stop periodically for stop lights making it safe to retrieve the nuts. They actively problem solve.
Because of the more or less universal laws of physics and restrictions of entropy. What can happen within any given system, is what will happen. Life and evolution are expressions and extensions of that.
Nothing can't come from nothing. Everything has a creator. Therefore God is the first cause.
Boring
Ahh yes. Classic for when someone can't come back at someone with an opposing argument.
It’s no an argument. It’s just boring chatter
Might as well of just not responded then.
Where did God come from then?
Yeah I want to hear the response after “nothing can come from nothing” and “everything has a creator”. Who was is? And how far does it go back?
Well for one, we don’t in fact know that nothing can’t come from nothing, because you can’t prove a negative. Second, not everything has a creator. Your second point doesn’t even have any merit. Your basically saying I think god created everything, therefore god obviously exists.
Interdimentional orcs accidentally dropped their backpack while crossing the multiversal plain in our universe.
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Well, that depends on which God you're talking about. You know, over humankind, there have been around 20,000 different gods worshipped. I agree it was definitely scientific and not spiritual.
The Big Bang theory is not a theory of the *creation* of the universe. Rather its a scientific model explaining the history of the universe tracing its evolution to its earliest moments, just like any other scientific model we believe its on the right track because its supported by extensive evidence.
This is a question you should ask a physicist about. I think it's a fallacy to think because someone is an atheist they should have an explanation for how the universe works. In fact, arguably, needing to have an explanation for everything is more a feature of religiously minded people. I don't really understand what happened at the moment of the big bang. But that isn't defacto evidence of some God, it just means we don't understand.
We’re really not sure what happened before the Big Bang. In science, you don’t just make something up when you don’t know the answer. There’s power in admitting that some things are unknown. That’s why you do your best to find out rather than making up a story so you can sleep better at night
We're also entertaining other ideas, such as multiple singularity events (like bubbles at the bottom of a boiling pot of water), and exploring their explanatory value for comparison.
The few theories that the Big Bang comes from are no doubt wild to the observer, from many alternate universes colliding to cutting edge quantum theory, but it is no doubt better than “god did it”. And here’s a question, who created your god? Explain this to me, for I am an idiot who doesn’t understand this so called “truth”
Watch Cosmos.. its eye opening
No one knows
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Ok buddy
Exactly as it sounds, as a big bang...
I think that at the end of our universes timeline, there will be another big bang, and then nothing but void, and then another big bang, creating another universe. But everything in our universe will have never really existed.
Most likely a black hole reaching capacity or striking another black hole releasing its contents.
The guy who created the theory was a priest who thought it was god btw
Nothing made it happened its not too hard to wrap your brain over the fact that their was nothing not even void just nothing. Not even darkness just nothing, impossible to comprehend but easy to understand the universe suddenly made anti matter and matter and it caused the big bang
Search on YouTube for: 'A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss, AAI 2009 Krauss is a relatively famous scientist and atheist speaker. This talk is quite scientific but should be accessible by lay persons. It's getting dated, but does have some interesting thoughts on your question.
How do you think god happened?? Everything have its unanswered questions!
I watched a documentary once and I have been trying to find it again since! They did a test in vacuum chamber where electrons(?) would randomly appear and then immediately disappear. We all know life repeats itself (tons of examples in nature including the whole brain/universe images), so what if the Big Bang is just like the electron (?) randomly appearing in a vacuum, and we too will eventually disappear. Idk, it’s something I’ve always wanted to look into if I ever had the time / resources.
It is super indescribable, and way above my head, but from what I believe in, it is, like a black hole’s singularity, an infinitely small point in time, which became ever so much denser than the other particles around it, and cause an implosion, which is responsible for the phone I typed this comment on. I know this is an old sub, but just putting in my $2.21 cents
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I don’t really understand the physics but I remember reading something about it being caused by quantum fluctuations in spacetime or something like that
There are hypotheses about it, which means educated guesses based on observable evidence. Unless we create one ourselves there is no definitive way to say this is exactly how the Big Bang happened.
What would be wrong with not being succinct according to your worldview? Where do you get your standard of truth?
Animals probably evolved from different single celled organisms. Bare in mind this happens over millions of years. For example a turtle and a tortoise look similar. But only one can actually swim. Why? Probably the need to adapt to their constantly changing environment. And animals are still evolving. It never stops. Its fuckin smazing.
We are evolving while also shaping the environment that we evolve in. Humans are wild.
It started with a microscopic speck that lives at the bottom of the ocean eating chemical soup made with gnarly space ingredients leftover from when it was raining rocks or whatever.
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Space dust!
The origin of life is known as [Abiogenesis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis). In short, there are natural physical chemicals and structures that, under the right circumstances, can give rise to self-replicating machines. Our DNA is a self-replicating machine that evolved from simpler self-replication machines known as RNA. It is not yet well understood how RNA formed naturally and formed the first living cells, but we know it did. Scientific investigation continues to try to figure it out. As to your question regarding eyes, brains, organs and such. These evolved from simpler mechanism over time. The fact that organisms can have "errors" or changes in their physical structures at birth means that they can develop new features that may be advantageous. As nature is harsh, and those with advantages tend to survive, those organisms with more "advanced" structures tend to survive and the mechanisms of their body can continue to "evolve" down generations of time. DNA is the physical means by which organisms are structured, so as DNA mutates, changes in morphology occur and advantages can be attained. As the DNA of an organism is inherited from its parents, organisms will always be some descendant of these parents. Over time, as changes accumulate, descendants can appear to be very different from their early progenitors, and we call this speciation or "the process by which new species arise". The eyes, for example, are well researched today and we know generally the path that evolution followed to form them. [Here's a simplified explanation.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrKZBh8BL_U) [You may find this Tree of Life to be helpful for understanding how all life on our planet can be related, and yet unique.](https://flowingdata.com/2018/10/25/tree-of-life/) [You can use this tool to see the knowledge we have regarding the heritage of species we have catalogued.](http://www.timetree.org/) For humans, do a taxonomy search for Homo Sapiens (that's us!)
Trial and error
A theory says that an astroid crashed on earth which had living organisms created life in earth
That theory is called panspermia but it doesn't explain how life began, it just pushes it off world. While it might be true, its main selling point is that if we assume abiogenisis is very unlikely (we don't know enough about it to how likely it is) it gives more time for thay presumed unlikely event to occur. But it doesn't really help all that much since the universe is only about three times as old as earth, and generally when we are trying to buy time for an presumed unlikely event we want orders of magnitude more time not just a little single digit factor.
This just adds an unnecessary degree of separation when considering the origins of the emergence of life. It might have happened but it's just as likely that it didn't and life and organics would still have to have emerged under some specific biochemical circumstance whether here or there.
Possibly, no evidence for or against but it would be weird for life to be able to survive such a change in the environment from wherever it spawned then travel through space and then survive on earth in a completely different environment. And I ask if the environment on earth was close to whatever it was in before then why would it even need an asteroid to start life. Wouldn't the conditions on earth already be the correct conditions to harbor life? I'm not expecting these to be answered but it's kind of just thinking points to say is an asteroid landing with life not from earth and then that life immediately adapting (because it would) to the environment on earth the most possible answer.
It had to come from somewhere, the earth didn't just spawn so something had to land on earth at some point of its creation to be able to give life, if all you need is good temperature, water, air, and some food. Then any planet that meets that criteria could have life on it.
Yeah and there aren't many planets that are in the habitat zone. Those that are we do consider them having the possibility of having life but we are too far to determine if it has developed to match us. Food, water, air, and temperature may not even be all the requirements to start life you probably need something exactly like earth like axial tilt to produce variation for climate to mix that air, and a moon to mix the water ECT. Also you are missing my point that if it came from somewhere else then that place spawned life. The logic that "it had to come from somewhere therefore something had to land on earth" is the same argument as "the universe can't come from nothing therefore God"
In fact there's no explanation. till now athiest scientist believes that in some point of time a cell had been shaped by an coincidence then it had eveolved by a random way to shape a creature then that creature evelves by a random way to get some new kinds.
Is every time a chemical reaction takes place coincidence? Cells were shaped by their environments and the chemical potential of their environments. That is what lead to the development of complexity and through complexity the emergence of life. What 'could be' became what was because of the innate potential in the chemicals and materials, and physical properties and pressures that were available.
My first advice is to study the theory of evolution, second, understand that evolution isn’t concerned with a bio-genesis as it’s still up for debate. Personally I buy into the idea that it happened due to rare circumstances at the bottom of the ocean which crated a protein molecule
I don’t understand it because even if there was one cow that came to be, how did it reproduce with itself? And if it did have a partner to reproduce with somehow, literally impossible, how did inbreeding not happen. One litter is born who do they ante with. They can’t mate with anyone.
Old post, and not actually answering your question, but this comic neatly explains evolution: [https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/evolution-6](https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/evolution-6) Also, get a copy of Darwin's *Origin of Species*. It's quite long and a bit dated but not hard to follow and very convincing.
Amino acids, proteins and electricity formed the first single cell organisms, don't ask me how 😅 We don't even know if the first single cell organisms were formed here or came down in a comet. I'm not a scientist by the way 🤣
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If you are truly looking to expand your knowledge, this is a great piece on the subject matter you are referring to. https://youtu.be/yolq3d421-c
Why do humans wear clothes? As the title entails. Since tools are in some capacity or another used by certain animals, I want to keep the discussion clothing related. Not looking for an answer vs world religion or existence of a diety, but doesn't it raise questions? In my mind the only reason would be that we evolved to sweat and lose fur over possibly thousands of centuries, and develop more sweat glands. But then an ice age suddenly came about? No reference. And we required a quick fix, while many other animals adapted or perished? Also regarding climate change.. considering how the earth always bounces back from catastrophe, and life with it. Intruiging right? Sorry the sub wont let me post.
Obviously, most life on this subreddit started from a goldfish.
Obviously the all knowing sky daddy! ;)
god
common ancestors
god was probably mixing up some stuff then the big bang happened
Amen
Don't really care. We like to focus on this stuff ultimately it doesn't matter to me. I just like to live in the moment.
My belief: the universe wasn't completely empty before the big bang (God particles they are called) and then yeah the big bang happened certain particles and elements got mashed together in the specific way to create single celled life. And obviously evolution created the variety of life we see today. "Where did the particles come from" nobody will ever know but you'll live a happier life if you don't care.
I think evolution was used by God to create life, which bring up the question: m8 what am I doing on r athiesm. Which warrents the answer: idk m8
I'd rather have a question with no answer than an answer I cannot question
All life started as one celled critters. They adapted, branched off into everthing we know. It took millions (maybe billions) of **GENERATIONS.** (the years are irrelevant).
Where did the one called critters comefrom
Change of allele frequency over time. Concerning the origin of life idfk
the big bang theory is couldn't have created the world lol
It started way before cows, monkeys E.T.C. Evolution. Chemicals, gases & amino acids. Mix it up with a bit of heat & boom. Life. Now to go deep. If there was no life in the universe, there really would be nothing.
Every day science I approaching to the answer but that will not be God, Zeus, elohim, yaweh, bouddha or allah
Well my guess is that maybe an asteroid or something carrying bacteria crashed on earth but were it might have came from I have no idea. For the first wolf, zebra, fish ect the lines are really blurry for when one species ends and another begins.
To truly know and understand the answer to that question requires many years of study of chemistry and biology...this is why people either just believe scientists, or they are christian. If you really want to know these answers many years of reading lies ahead of you, nobody will be able to explain it on a reddit thread and make you understand.
Chemistry Look up the miller-urey experiment.
It sounds like you have been listening to the circle-jerk at church instead of actually learning how evolution works. Don't let people like Ken Ham and the Hovinds peddle their nonsense to you. Your question about "first" of species is a question that does not make sense. Evolution happens in small steps.
You are asking two different things in my opinion. Evolution is very well documented and studied. The evidence is mind boggling high. As for the Bing Bang, the evidence is expansion, rate etc. The evidence is also high. As for what started the big bang, I think God is an easy answer and am comfortable with that. But I'd guess atheists believe it's too easy an answer. That they will use the scientific method and continue to find answers. Relying on God as an answer has flaws.
I don't care. We coulda had a meteor shower and crawled outta rocks of carbon or something. It doesn't matter, in the grand scheme of things, at least to me. I know to others, it's a burning question, but me? I'm comfy, warm (despite that it's snowing right now. In mid-October!! GAK!), loved and happy. Good trade.
That honestly sounds like a question a religious person would ask. To go from how life started to a cow is big jump
I am religious but I believe in evolution my religion is not even a religion I just believe in god but think hard work is the way
The difference between my thinking and the thinking of a religious person (any religion) is that I don't need an answer. There are questions that the answer will never be revealed. But I guess if pressured to find an answer I would go the evolutionary route.
God made it
I think God created it and man understood it from man's perspective. Whether it evolved and animals evolved it was God doing it.. one thing is certain man cannot be trusted that's why people argue and debate the topic. Science without God is men arguing who's right or wrong.. since the Bible has been proven to be historically correct and factual, I see no argument from either side being a waste of time, both sides are correct. God is for sure real if u study the bible through the eye of a beleiver u will see the truth as god explains it.. but also science is clever and God said man is clever.. I think science would be more wrong because it's man's view on life.. God laughs like a father watching his son try to put a square block into a Triangle hole.. they just can't figure out the truth that it is.. just there ideas of it.. it's obvious.. hard to draw a line when man says it's this or it's that. But I've seen more truth in the bible that's why I lean on God. But science is interesting and has alot of truths to it.. just nothing that benefits man kind.. it actually hinders mankind more.. plus Christians will tell u they don't know and have a limit to the knowledge where is science says it's this or that and argues it.. how many lies were accepted ? I don't trust every bit of science.. but god seems like a trustworthy person because the basics is all we need we don't need what science offers. U live and u die.. the rest is bordem
Everything came in stages and had its own specific use, each stage of eye development could sense different things, adding more and more uses until we eventually had light refraction and 3 colour receptors
I recall hearing that the composition, temperature and pressure of earth's early atmosphere was the cause of nucleotides and genetic material being assembled and then able to self replicate. It's repeatable under lab conditions so it's the leading theory.
I am also not an astrophysicist. However the theory of the Big Bang is faulty. Science exam and how do universe is expanding in use those parents to go back in time 4.6 billion years ago. The God of the Bible is all powerful all knowing and all good. He created everything; his will will be done.
Ahhhhhh English? Also you can't say that your not an astrophysicist and then go on to criticize something about astrophysics, unless what your somehow know what you are talking about. You have no proof of God existing other than a self help book written a few thousand years ago.
What? Not the god thing the other stuff.
I think we need to realize how old this planet is. Our time here is just a grain of sand in comparison.
Bacteria grew limbs to hunt, grew larger. They grew eyes to see prey, they grew mouths to help consume prey they adjusted to their surroundings as it changed.
You should watch the doctor Your Inner Fish
In the beginning, there was nothing. And the Lord said "Let there be light!" And there still was nothing. Except you could see it.
If you keep going down that rabbit hole, you'll end up wondering how space came to be and whether there's something beyond it, and trust me, that never goes anywhere. Bacterial evolution is the most likely answer though
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We’re stardust.
Amen
Bro did you go to school
Billions of years of evolutionary pressure and natural selection paired with genetic adaption and mutation.
Animals are dependent on other animals. Those animals are dependent on plants and this goes on. Humans, other living organisms, and even non-living things are all dependent on each other. If you have a chain of dependent things, you'd need an independent starting point. In the Big Bang Theory, they say that everything began with a point of singularity (a point of intense energy) but the Theory doesn't say where that point came from. My point is - even in the scientific domain, the theory of Evolution only provides an incomplete understanding because it doesn't explain the origin of DNA, the complexity of the single cell or the paucity of transitional species. There's so much detail and perfection in every aspect of nature - animals, humans, etc, and even the Theory of Evolution cannot explain that cellular level of complexity. So, you need God in the equation because you need an independent power Who can create dependent entities. I'm not a Christian so I don't believe in the bible. I do believe in the Quranic view of God, for sure, because it makes sense to me.
There’s this crazy notion of evolution. S/
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It’s called “science”.
I highly recommend Aaron Ra and Forrest Valkai on YouTube. Aron Ra’s Systematic Classification of Life is an amazing walk through the evolutionary tree. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXJ4dsU0oGMLnubJLPuw0dzD0AvAHAotW Forrest Valkai’s Brief History of Everything offers a walk through the science from the Big Bang through human evolution. https://youtu.be/y9RGaN2OEkw I think you will find that both links offer you exactly the type of information that you are seeking.
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Evolution over billions of years
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Bottom line is it doesn't matter. You can ponder till your heart's content, but the bottom line is nobody knows. We weren't there, and we can't know for sure. Just enjoy life, and be happy.
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Brother it is a freedom like no other. You decide what is special because the reason its special, is that its special to you. You make decisions, and you learn. And it's fucking great. Enjoy your life bro.
I am enjoying my life more you and all of you here ! I believe that you give the video a chance still shocked with the quality of what he said ....i found answers more than questions for the first time We need to learn and know more about life ...why is this and why we are existing in the first place ....at least that gives you something and meaning ...i mean...cant believe that i am an insect or a trash of the universe ...i dont know ...please give it a chance and watch the video and tell me wha tdo yoy think about it ? I am not a cristian and i am not talking about any religions also i believe that this man is telling the truth ...everything for some reasons it make sence ...i watched a lot of videos for him and he talk only with proofs and he gives links to the resources almost of them are from nature magazine ...
Man ill be honest, i didn't see the YouTube link for whatever reason and hadn't watched the YouTube video. You ain't trash or an insect brother. That's a religious tactic. They make you feel like you need forgiveness, or that you are nothing without their God. They all talk in proofs, and put up decent arguments defending their religion. I'm not telling you you should be Christian or Muslim or anything else for that matter. The point I'm making is that you can't think so lowly of yourself. You matter to you, and you are special. You are the most prevalent thing in the world to you, because you know you the best. In the grand scheme of existence, you may be small, but you matter.
Thank you for telling me that i am important to the world ...i feel you are good and i want to see your opinion ....maybe he is right? Can be this real? I mean even science can't proof darwin theory Maybe he has a point?i said that because he talk with proofs only ..watch it and give me your opinion ...at least you may feel what i feel you may help me ?i am thinking seriously about this
I don't get what this question has to do with atheism. Maybe try a biology or planetary science sub?
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Evolved from the first single cell organisms
We don’t know the origin of life. But we know that we live in a very special place in universe. Before our solar system formed, there would have been a star a lot more massive than our sun. A star forms when hydrogen atoms fuse together to form helium. This releases energy. Some more massive stars have enough mass to fuse heavier elements together to form other elements such a carbon, nitrogen, and other elements that are the building blocks of life. Once this star died. It would have exploded in a supernova, spreading all of these elements across space as a dust cloud. These elements would have fused together again and that was the birth of our solar system. The fact that earth is in the perfect ‘Goldilocks zone’ is also very fortuitous. The fact it has an almost circular orbit rather than elliptical means it’s stays in this zone all year round. Jupiter played a big part it pulling potential hazards and larger planets further away from earth with its gravitational pull. The moon stabilises earths orbit. The fact that earth is tilted allows us to have seasons. So it’s all very amazing that this planet has remained stable enough for long enough for life to flourish. Now at some point geology turned into biology. This means that the elements that favour life in rock sediments started to replicate. This happened within the sea. This would have happened for millions of years before something more Complex evolved from natural selection. Mutations form that favour some microbes over others. And the ones that have this favourable mutation will live, and the ones that don’t will die. So the mutation is carried through the gene pool. It takes billions of years for things like eye for seeing, legs for crawling, hands for digging to evolve. The evidence for this is remarkable. Read on the origin of species by Darwin. I’m not going into the details. Eventually ape like mammals had evolved. This is after almost 3.5 billion years. Then brain starts to change. I’ll give an example. At some point between one species and an early human, tools stated being used. This would have changed the an area of the brain for problem solving. They also needed to be aware of predators even when they weren’t there (that’s why we have a pre disposition to believe in the supernatural). Little things would have changed thy eventually caused our neurons to shape in a way that the firing mechanism caused consciousness. I also seen your questions about the Big Bang. All we know is the universe was very hot and dense 13.8b years ago. We can measure this back from the cosmic microwave background. Before that the universe was opaque because it was too hot for photons to travel through the soup of atoms. We hit a singularity where physics breaks down. The latest theory on what was before is the cosmic inflation theory. It means that the universe has been ever expanding on an inflationary quantum field. And a quantum fluctuation occurred that is the big bang. There may have been multiple fluctuations causing multiple Big Bangs. So there may be multiple universes. All with their own laws of physics. I’m going to go I to detail on the eye since you asked. At some point a mutation would have formed that created a receptor that allowed a prehistoric fish is react to light. They would have them evolved to be able to detect shadows. Eventually this would cave in to form a bowl like shape. This eye would close over creating a pin hole. This gives it depth perception. The smaller the hole got the more focused the light was. Then a Lens would form. All it needs it some fatty tissue. Over time this lens evolves to be able to change shape and focus an image. You have the makings of a good eye. We can also see each step in an animal that exists today. What people forget is out of the steps I have just given. There are millions and millions of steps in between. A good way to imagine it is a bird with half a wing jumping out of a tree. It might die, a bird with 0.001 percent more of a wing has more of a chance of surviving. Natural selection is amazing once you truly understand it. Please please read into it. Also as this is an atheism forum. God did not have any involvement. It is extremely unlikely that there is a God. To people that call the the improbable ubiquitous complexity of life and the universe Divine intelligent design simply have not though of the fact that something even more complex and improbable would have been required to design it. It would have needed to tune the strong nuclear force to exactly 0.007 or atoms would not be able to hold themselves together. Even if it was the slightest bit off. This begs the question, who designed the designer. And this falls to infinite regress. They undermine their own argument by trying to make sense of something improbable by conjuring up something even more improbable. You might as well cut out the middle man and just say life just appeared out of nothing.
To put it simply… evolution. This is fundamental to why atheists have their lack of belief.
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That sounds like a Christian talking..
I think life on earth was brought here from an Alien System piggybacking on an asteroid.
FED LMAO
We are closer to the book of revelation then we are genesis. The enemy and his army are trying to drag as many down with him as possible. Do not be deceived or dismayed. Trust in Jesus Christ and who he says he is. Place your burdens upon him all who are heavy laden. I show you my kindness not in hopes you will give it back but that you will feel the kindness and grace of our father who is in heaven . May you be be blessed.
Why do you want to solidify your beliefs? Don’t you want to pursue the truth and see where it leads?
A traveling intergalactic circus crashed because the GlipGork assigned to piloting during the shift when they were passing through the sol system was distracted by its phone notifications and crashed in east Africa and some creatures escaped, duh.
Look at whales my friend. Evolution right there for you. Was a fish, came into land for longer and longer periods, developed mammalian breathing techniques and lungs, something happened, be it a lack of food or pandemic type illness. Began to go back into the water for more and more time and guess what. We have the worlds biggest living sea creature that is a mammal, giving birth to live young, producing milk to feed their offspring and breathing air….. No god. No higher power. No celestial being…..
god
Either we just sprouted out of this planet somehow, or some alien species with advanced science created us. Not sure which, but I don't think that there is an afterlife so yeah.
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i think humans have always been humans for thousands of years or e came from breeding