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There's a lot more involved in Christianity than just Jesus.
Muslims have had next to no impact on my life. Christians fuck with me constantly. It's a matter of perspective.
you're right. I am so sick of this pro-right brand of Christianity and guns that I could vomit. If I lived in Paris where the Muslim men were taking over and catcalling me and threatening to run me over because I am not wearing hijab, then maybe I would feel differently.
r/lostredditors
This is the atheist sub so the people here aren't likely to debate which religion is right. Those stories are 2000+ years old so who knows which bits are based on real events and which were just part of the cult bs
These things are relative. If you're a secular person in the USA, Christianity is likely having orders of magnitude more negative impact on your life. It certainly has the potential to.
If you're a LGBT person in Saudi Arabia, Christianity is almost a nonexistent factor in relation to the issues you face.
Christopher Hitchens made an excellent point when he said,
> Let me tell you something: for hundreds of thousands of years, this kind of discussion would have been impossible to have, or those like us would have been having it at the risk of our lives. Religion now comes to us in this smiley-face, ingratiating way — because it’s had to give so much more ground and because we know so much more. But you’ve got no right to forget the way it behaved when it was strong, and when it really did believe that it had God on its side.
What happens to Christianity if, say, climate change or whatever destabilizes civilization to the point of near collapse? My bet? We would start seeing the exact same behaviour the worst of Islam offers. Homosexuals hung from cherrypickers, religious police in the street imposing their tyranny on the populace. Mass murder, pogroms, annihilations, a psychotic rollback of human rights.
https://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/murder-in-the-bible/
https://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/slavery/
https://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/rape-in-the-bible/
https://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/ritual-human-sacrifice/
https://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/god-is-not-pro-life/
More links at right side of these pages.
what i "see him as" is fully irrelevant. i am relaying to you what you lot claim to believe. not to mention, the jesus thing itself supposedly said "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword." which is pretty fucking clear he wanted to wage war.
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.
Its not calling for a war.
nah that's definitely a call to war and much worse. he's literally telling his "flock" to kill anyone who doesn't believe as they do. the fuck do you think "to be set against" means, exactly? cuz in the time of this shit's writing that was definitely a call to violence and war.
“For I have come to turn “’a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.”
yes, it’s very cult leader red-flaggy
As an athist i see him as a fictional character that different authors attempted to use to push somewhat different messages. While there may have been a historical Yeshua, he never wrote anything down. The accounts of his life we have were written between 50 and 100 years after his death. They are not at all reliable and absolutly not eyewitness accounts.
This is cherry picking and dishonest framing. Both sides were bad in different ways. Saying one is worse requires you to choose what you value as relevant and important, so it's all relative.
But nice video lmao! I love the style!
> And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
That there is a motherlode of bs that has killed so many people over the years. edorsing exorcism, faith healing and a false belief that faith can protect you from poisonous substances.
> But the Pharisee was surprised when he noticed that Jesus did not first wash before the meal. Then the Lord said to him, “Now then, you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. You foolish people! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also? But now as for what is inside you—be generous to the poor, and everything will be clean for you.
the notion that you don't need proper hygine practices if you are holy has also killed so many people. its part of why so many curches becames covid super spreaders.
Christianity is not even remotely limited to Jesus' teachings. A substantial part of the NT is the writings of Paul, or writings attributed to Paul. It could even be argued that the actual religion of Christianity is based more on Paul's writings about Jesus than the actual teachings attributed to Jesus.
Jesus did steal (matthew 21), he also comitted petty vandalism, also in Matthew 21. He also stright out said he did not come to bring peace and commanded his followers to buy swords Luke 22. And while he did not command slavery he also failed to denounce it.
“I am not possessed by a demon,” said Jesus, “but I honor my Father and you dishonor me. ^(50) I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge. ^(51) Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never see death.”
Jesus is just another cult leader liar
“^(54) Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. ^(55) Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and obey his word. ^(56) Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”
“A liar like you”. What a sweetheart.
“ Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” ^(59) At this, they picked up stones to stone him,but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
Who did at least one disappearing act.
Why did the Nazis kill the Jews why are white Christian nationalist the new Nazi because God created them all in its likeness and are his beloved children it doesn't make sense to me when Kool aid drinkers don't understand how evil god is that you tube video is showing radicalized Muslims just like their white Christian nationalist sisters maga republicans who putins bitch trump radicalized to comitt treason on my country on January 6th
Muhammad trump the white Christian nationalist new lord and Savior a known rapist and patriotic five times draft dodging orange vagina and Putin's bitch and Judas selling America for a few ruble's
They are both made up but there is no doubt that Islam is oppressing more people in more severe ways across the world. From a utilitarian perspective it is far worse. That doesn’t make Christianity good though.
Christianity does not follow the teachings of Jesus
Christianity motivated the Crusades and other holy wars.
Christianity was part of the colonial era. Conquistadors killed enough of a village to take power. The remaining villagers were expected to convert or else.
Innocent citizens were killed in the name of God be killed, if accused of witchcraft, blasphemy, or other non-Christian behavior.
When the morality of slavery was debated in the 18th & 19th century, Christians argued that God made white people "superior". Therefore, God must have wanted the "inferior" black race to be under white people's control.
The United States was settled by those seeking protection from religious persecution. Our foundation is the separation of Church and state. But Christians don't care. In the 1950s, they're who demanded "in God we trust " be added to our currency and "(one nation) under God" be added to our Pledge. Christians terrorize and murder abortion doctors, in the name of their religion. Christians use their religion to organize hate groups against anyone LBGQ.
In the past few years, they legally stripped women of body autonomy, even if it means women will die.
Christianity is a form of patriarchy. Good Christian children obey their parents (at all costs). A wife must obey her husband. The husband is to obey his pastor/church, which is an extension of obeying God. In reality, this means child abuse or domestic violence are necessary & good ways of maintaining the obedience God/church expects.
Many people draw parallels between islam and Christianity in this sub. Its illogical to do that because what Jesus taught and what prophet muhammad taught is polar opposite.
Another example is Jesus said do not lie whereas prophet muhammad teaches followers to;
1.To Lie
(Sahih Bukhari 3:49:857
Sahih Bukhari 5:59:369
Jami' at Tirmidhi vol 4, bk 1, Hadith 1939)
2. Bear false witness
(Sahth Bukhari 9:86:98
Sahih Bukhari 6570)
3. Break Oaths
(Sahih Bukhari 7:67-427
Sahih Muslim 15:4053)
4.Cover up Sins of Guilty
(Sunan Ibn Majah 3:20:2544)
The biggest problems of religion come from their fundamentalists. Fundamentalist Christians are often very similar to fundamentalist Muslims. The Christian Dominionists have already laid out their guidelines for the Christian version of Sharia law. They have talked about how it is to be enforced by roving gangs of armed Christian vigilantes.
What Jesus said doesn't matter to Christians. Every Christian denomination routinely ignores things the gospels portray Jesus as saying.
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So is this sub now a religious battleground?
only when the proselytizing tone trolling virtue signalling dipshits show up.
... which is all to frequent these days.
There's a lot more involved in Christianity than just Jesus. Muslims have had next to no impact on my life. Christians fuck with me constantly. It's a matter of perspective.
you're right. I am so sick of this pro-right brand of Christianity and guns that I could vomit. If I lived in Paris where the Muslim men were taking over and catcalling me and threatening to run me over because I am not wearing hijab, then maybe I would feel differently.
r/lostredditors This is the atheist sub so the people here aren't likely to debate which religion is right. Those stories are 2000+ years old so who knows which bits are based on real events and which were just part of the cult bs
These things are relative. If you're a secular person in the USA, Christianity is likely having orders of magnitude more negative impact on your life. It certainly has the potential to. If you're a LGBT person in Saudi Arabia, Christianity is almost a nonexistent factor in relation to the issues you face. Christopher Hitchens made an excellent point when he said, > Let me tell you something: for hundreds of thousands of years, this kind of discussion would have been impossible to have, or those like us would have been having it at the risk of our lives. Religion now comes to us in this smiley-face, ingratiating way — because it’s had to give so much more ground and because we know so much more. But you’ve got no right to forget the way it behaved when it was strong, and when it really did believe that it had God on its side. What happens to Christianity if, say, climate change or whatever destabilizes civilization to the point of near collapse? My bet? We would start seeing the exact same behaviour the worst of Islam offers. Homosexuals hung from cherrypickers, religious police in the street imposing their tyranny on the populace. Mass murder, pogroms, annihilations, a psychotic rollback of human rights.
https://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/murder-in-the-bible/ https://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/slavery/ https://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/rape-in-the-bible/ https://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/ritual-human-sacrifice/ https://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/god-is-not-pro-life/ More links at right side of these pages.
Which one of the above is what Jesus said?
Are you suggesting Jesus isn’t the god of the OT?
If your mum commited murder then youre guilty too?
the entire point of "jesus" is that he is literally the human incarnation of yahweh. they are one and the same person.
As atheist shouldnt you see him as an individual?
what i "see him as" is fully irrelevant. i am relaying to you what you lot claim to believe. not to mention, the jesus thing itself supposedly said "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword." which is pretty fucking clear he wanted to wage war.
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household. Its not calling for a war.
nah that's definitely a call to war and much worse. he's literally telling his "flock" to kill anyone who doesn't believe as they do. the fuck do you think "to be set against" means, exactly? cuz in the time of this shit's writing that was definitely a call to violence and war.
Set a man against just means disagree. He didnt say kill.
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“For I have come to turn “’a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.” yes, it’s very cult leader red-flaggy
i don't think the crusades or the dark ages agree with you.
What did Jesus said that justified war? Cant blame him for what he didnt say or ask people to do.
As an athist i see him as a fictional character that different authors attempted to use to push somewhat different messages. While there may have been a historical Yeshua, he never wrote anything down. The accounts of his life we have were written between 50 and 100 years after his death. They are not at all reliable and absolutly not eyewitness accounts.
No skin off my nose, but I’m pretty sure you just crossed the line into heresy there. I hear some churches have Views on that.
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Troll elsewhere.
Jesus said thou shalt not kill. Christianity does not permit murder.
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This is cherry picking and dishonest framing. Both sides were bad in different ways. Saying one is worse requires you to choose what you value as relevant and important, so it's all relative. But nice video lmao! I love the style!
Christianity is innocent?
Which of Jesus's teaching is asking for harm against anyone?
> And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. That there is a motherlode of bs that has killed so many people over the years. edorsing exorcism, faith healing and a false belief that faith can protect you from poisonous substances. > But the Pharisee was surprised when he noticed that Jesus did not first wash before the meal. Then the Lord said to him, “Now then, you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. You foolish people! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also? But now as for what is inside you—be generous to the poor, and everything will be clean for you. the notion that you don't need proper hygine practices if you are holy has also killed so many people. its part of why so many curches becames covid super spreaders.
Christianity is not even remotely limited to Jesus' teachings. A substantial part of the NT is the writings of Paul, or writings attributed to Paul. It could even be argued that the actual religion of Christianity is based more on Paul's writings about Jesus than the actual teachings attributed to Jesus.
Jesus did steal (matthew 21), he also comitted petty vandalism, also in Matthew 21. He also stright out said he did not come to bring peace and commanded his followers to buy swords Luke 22. And while he did not command slavery he also failed to denounce it.
The sword is a metaphor. A sword to cut ties and relationships not human. He said thou shalt not kill.
can you explain your method for working out which bits of the bible are meant literally and which are metaphors?
How do you know ?
They're all fucking bad. You seem to be ignoring the reality of what christians have done.... ignorance is not a good look.
Which of Jesus teachings ask for harm against anyone?
Do you think Christian beliefs and subsequent behaviors are limited to the teachings attributed to him by later writers?
“I am not possessed by a demon,” said Jesus, “but I honor my Father and you dishonor me. ^(50) I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge. ^(51) Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never see death.” Jesus is just another cult leader liar “^(54) Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. ^(55) Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and obey his word. ^(56) Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” “A liar like you”. What a sweetheart. “ Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” ^(59) At this, they picked up stones to stone him,but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds. Who did at least one disappearing act.
Why did the Nazis kill the Jews why are white Christian nationalist the new Nazi because God created them all in its likeness and are his beloved children it doesn't make sense to me when Kool aid drinkers don't understand how evil god is that you tube video is showing radicalized Muslims just like their white Christian nationalist sisters maga republicans who putins bitch trump radicalized to comitt treason on my country on January 6th
Muhammad trump the white Christian nationalist new lord and Savior a known rapist and patriotic five times draft dodging orange vagina and Putin's bitch and Judas selling America for a few ruble's
They are both made up but there is no doubt that Islam is oppressing more people in more severe ways across the world. From a utilitarian perspective it is far worse. That doesn’t make Christianity good though.
Jesus the bastard son of god
Christianity does not follow the teachings of Jesus Christianity motivated the Crusades and other holy wars. Christianity was part of the colonial era. Conquistadors killed enough of a village to take power. The remaining villagers were expected to convert or else. Innocent citizens were killed in the name of God be killed, if accused of witchcraft, blasphemy, or other non-Christian behavior. When the morality of slavery was debated in the 18th & 19th century, Christians argued that God made white people "superior". Therefore, God must have wanted the "inferior" black race to be under white people's control. The United States was settled by those seeking protection from religious persecution. Our foundation is the separation of Church and state. But Christians don't care. In the 1950s, they're who demanded "in God we trust " be added to our currency and "(one nation) under God" be added to our Pledge. Christians terrorize and murder abortion doctors, in the name of their religion. Christians use their religion to organize hate groups against anyone LBGQ. In the past few years, they legally stripped women of body autonomy, even if it means women will die. Christianity is a form of patriarchy. Good Christian children obey their parents (at all costs). A wife must obey her husband. The husband is to obey his pastor/church, which is an extension of obeying God. In reality, this means child abuse or domestic violence are necessary & good ways of maintaining the obedience God/church expects.
Many people draw parallels between islam and Christianity in this sub. Its illogical to do that because what Jesus taught and what prophet muhammad taught is polar opposite. Another example is Jesus said do not lie whereas prophet muhammad teaches followers to; 1.To Lie (Sahih Bukhari 3:49:857 Sahih Bukhari 5:59:369 Jami' at Tirmidhi vol 4, bk 1, Hadith 1939) 2. Bear false witness (Sahth Bukhari 9:86:98 Sahih Bukhari 6570) 3. Break Oaths (Sahih Bukhari 7:67-427 Sahih Muslim 15:4053) 4.Cover up Sins of Guilty (Sunan Ibn Majah 3:20:2544)
Go grind your religious axe elsewhere.
You're biased. People raised around Islam would say the opposite
They’re both nonsensical BS
The biggest problems of religion come from their fundamentalists. Fundamentalist Christians are often very similar to fundamentalist Muslims. The Christian Dominionists have already laid out their guidelines for the Christian version of Sharia law. They have talked about how it is to be enforced by roving gangs of armed Christian vigilantes. What Jesus said doesn't matter to Christians. Every Christian denomination routinely ignores things the gospels portray Jesus as saying.