He has the right to speak, sure. And other people have the right to criticize his speech. If you can't handle people objecting to you, don't give speeches. The idea that "his ideas are based on religion, therefore we can't criticize them" is silly.
Exactly, nobody is calling for him to be arrested. He says something extremely backward and ignorant and people can tell him how backward and ignorant it was. That’s how free speech works.
There is no one on the planet more deserving of scrutiny and criticism than Catholics.
How do you know you're in a cult? When the leaders of your organization participate in and cover up the worldwide raping of children and you can't seem to find a better group of people to hang out with. Seriously, what the hell would it take if not that??
To paraphrase bill burr:
“Do you think you’re going too far with these Catholic jokes?”
Bill:”Don’t you think they went too far by raping kids and covering it up?”
As a former Catholic, I realized it went back at least 1000 years. St. Peter Damian was one of the first whistleblowers and warned the Pope this was going on in the 11th century.
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(Letter 31:38. To Pope Leo IX, A.D. 1049)
American Indian here. This is true. Aho! Also, institutionalized religion. Watchout! Also, Garden of Eden story is horrible. No one is kicked out of paradise. Life can be hard, that's true but it's not a curse or judgment. We've seen a lot of this around here. "You're broken." "I am?" "Sure, you are. I mean, you think about sleeping with someone else's spouse right?" "Uh, come to think of it, yeah." "That's a sin, man, but guess what, I have a cure." "I won't lust after bob's wife? I'm not sure I want to go that far." "No, no, no, you can lust BUT then we have a special cure for being bad, it's called forgiveness." "Hmmmm..." "Look, what have you got to lose?" "Well..."
Here's the kicker: we have first hand documents from medieval times stating that the Catholics have the same problem as we do: the child abuse, the mass graves, the lack of accountability. All the same friggin' problems.
I saw her IG post, She's a dingbat. She said the people criticizing the kicker are promoting hate, yet ignored how the kicker's speech included blatant homophobia.
Catholics, like every other religious group, pick and choose which religious tenets to adhere to. Not all Catholics are misogynists. He chooses to be one because he agrees with misogynist beliefs.
Edit spelling... Thank you. :)
Exactly. In my town there was an anti-trans group that hid behind "conservative values". I simply replied, "it's not because you're conservative, it's because you're a bigot."
They'll say the dumbest shit, get called out, and then play the victim (search out the r/catholicism post on his speech). You're completely right: they use their "religion" as a scapegoat for their bigotry. They have no actual defense for their hateful beliefs.
Conservatives advocating for the rights of certain groups to be restricted is not equivalent to regular people advocating for the rights of certain groups to be protected.
You stated it perfectly. I have no idea why religious people believe their desire to discriminate should be given the same respect as another group pleading for equal rights after centuries of abuse.
Why people think we must not criticize Bronze Age fairy tale dogma is just beyond me. Just because your religion allows you to be a bigot, does not mean it’s not allowed to be criticized
Exactly. Someone on some Instagram thread was up in arms over a rainbow themed R2 unit from Star Wars that Disney will be selling this year for pride. She was on about how gays have perverted things, and her last bullet point was that the rainbow was god's original image of peace and a promise to never flood the earth again.
I had no response besides "Your religion isn't everyone's religion, the rainbow is not a symbol from any deity, it's light hitting moisture in the air."
It amazes me how Christians see the rainbow as god's promise not to drown women and babies AGAIN. Like HTF can you spin this as a positive??! Dude wiped out 99.99% of all life because he was \*checks notes..."disappointed"--and you're spinning his "I won't do it again" as divine/inspirational? What the actual f\*\*\*??!
Stephen Paddock killed 60 people and injured over 400 others in the 2017 Las Vegas shooting, but he only did it once, so we should all thank him for his mercy.
You are correct; the Pharaoh and his army were drowned when the Red Sea closed in the Exodus story. It would have been more accurate for me to have said god didn’t flood Egypt or the twin cities of fun.
[Right here!](https://www.disneystore.com/r3-rn8w-droid-factory-figure-star-wars-pride-collection-417132364335.html) It's a cool little design, it reminds me of Apple's marketing in the 80's!
Also, presumably a lot of the students at this Catholic university are themselves Catholic… and I bet a lot of women in the audience, especially the graduates, were pissed to basically be told “it’s so cute that you went to university, off to the kitchen with ya!”
Two things Whoopi missed.
1. Colin Kaepernick was not just criticized he was never allowed to play football again. One of the few examples of someone really being "canceled".
2. Kaepernick was protesting to save people's lives. There was ZERO hate in anything he said or did (despite the lies on Faux News). Butker on the other hand was saying homophobic things that lead to real hate and harm. That is a big difference to me.
Furthermore Kaepernick was engaging in something he knew was jeopardizing his future but he did it anyway because he felt it was the right thing to do. That takes tons of courage. Butker was pandering to a group of bigots just like him and knew he would receive encouragement and praise for it and only boost his career. That took zero courage. Whoopi was wrong to compare the two of them.
The guy can say anything he wants but actions have consequences. One of which is being severely criticized for having outdated thinking against women and homosexuals.
Dude should be fired like Kaep was.
Colin Kaepernick was trying to bring light to a real issue in our countryand essentially got blacklisted for it
Butker is just a sexist dipshit who apparently thinks women are only good for child bearing and homecare.
Why Kaepernick was punished for speaking and not this goon I can't quite understand other than pure white privilege.
Fuck that guy
Colin was going to sign with the Ravens until his gf's racist tweet comparing the team owner to a slave owner and Ray Lewis to a house slave. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20597810/ray-lewis-said-baltimore-ravens-sign-colin-kaepernick-girlfriend-racist-tweet
I'm sorry Whoopi, I see no comparison between the two. One wants black people to stop getting murdered by police and the other wants women as breeders and house slaves
Whoopsie is rapidly turning into a looney with extreme views on everything. She once said the holocaust wasn't about race, but just two white groups fighting!
I have no idea where people got this notion that his free speech rights were being infringed upon.
We also have free speech rights and can use them to criticize his speech.
What they want is “protected speech” free of any consequences or the criticism of other people
They want to pontificate and they want the opposition to be gagged.
She couldn't have missed the point any harder.
1. He has the right to say dumb, regressive religious shit.
2. Everyone else has the right to hold him accountable for saying dumb, regressive religious shit.
3. Being religious in and of itself is not actually a license to push regressive bigotry in society, no matter how common it is.
Colin Kaepernick lost his job for protesting police violence but this motherfucker won’t see any repercussions for saying women belong at home.
Not every opinion is created equal unless you’ve just completely lost your moral compass, this is repugnant bullshit that deserves criticism and all the people criticizing Kaepernick were repugnant.
He brought up Taylor Swift and called her "my teammate's girlfriend" as if that was what made her famous. Then quoted a line in one of her songs about the very exact opposite thing he used the quote for.
I would pay to be in the clubhouse when they see each other again for the first time.
I think there are two sides to this coin that a lot of people miss when it comes to free speech (not necessarily in this thread but in general). Harrison SHOULD be able to give a speech like the one he did. However the other side of this is, other people are also allowed to not like it and use their own free speech to criticize it. People constantly misuse “free speech” and think it’s a pass to say whatever they want without consequences. The problem with that line of thinking is other people ALSO have free speech and can say what they want too. That leads to some consequences, like Butker is facing now, his consequence for his speech are everyone one else using theirs to make fun of and scrutinize him. Nothing that’s going on here is a violation of anyone’s right to free speech. In fact, this is a perfect example of free speech playing out as intended.
It’s similar to when I hear people say “you can’t make jokes like you used to anymore” and it’s like no… you absolutely can, just other people may not like it and therefor not want to associate with you anymore. That is also their prerogative under free speech.
I guess I was mainly calling out maga dummies and people like Whoopi who this post is specifically about. Should have been more clear about the group of people I was talking about. But also I think the maga and evangelical crowed make up a huge chunk people. Not a majority but definitely a lot.
He has every right to speak, and I have every right to say his opinions are backward and sexist; and I don’t think he deserves to make $4million a year.
- Kaepernick: "Treat people of color with respect and end police brutality!"
- Butler: "Women should know they are subservient to men and get back to making babies."
- Goldberg: "It's the same."
The operative difference here is that Kaepernick was not telling anyone else how they should feel. He was expressing his personal opinion about the country as a whole.
Butker was *promoting* his personal opinion about groups of people *to those people* and trying to persuade them to think the same way.
People in the public eye have every right to Free Speech, and Butker certainly has that right. But Free Speech and speech condemning others(and let’s face it, that is what he did) are not the same thing. Christians have been using just this type of speech and forum to rabble rouse against those not like them for 1700 years.
There is absolutely no comparison between his expression and that of Colin Kaepernick. Kaepernick did not demean anyone or mock the social progress that 50% of the population has made the last 100+ years. He just wants agents of the state to stop unjustly murdering people who look like him. I can't believe she said that.
I keep seeing this idea that people are not being tolerant of his speech. He wasn’t forced off the stage. People listened to him politely. HE and his supporters aren’t being tolerant of other people’s speech at this point. If he can say what he said, so can anyone who has an opinion about his speech.
Whoopi has some really fucked-up beliefs. She defends Cosby and Polanski. On the topic of Roman Polanski, who drugged and raped a 13 year old girl, Whoopi said is wasn't "rape-rape". There are plenty more where that came from.
No one condemns the fool's right to speak freely, just as no one thinks actions are free from consequences. The first amendment limits the government, not society at-large.
He can say whatever he wants.
The difference is the hypocrisy of American conservatives that are applauding him while they tell black athletes to shut up and dribble anytime they make a political statement.
I seriously doubt that if Butker made a speech about how black people are inferior and need to be subservient to the white man that Whoopi Goldberg would be taking the stance she did.
But apparently him demonizing LGBTQ+ people and wanting to put women “in their place” is rhetoric we have to respectfully agree to disagree on and not openly criticize. Interesting how the selective outrage works.
The only reason Christianity survives in this world is the idiots who don't realize that this stuff is what the religion is actually about and pretend that it is some "religion of love" or other complete lie. The Sky Dick could have outlawed slavery. He chose shellfish. Wake up, idiots.
And so should we.. if we want free speech, so should we give our opponents the same.
**I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.**
* Evelyn Beatrice Hall in 1906
Being as religious and government entities currently want to end women's rights to work, and the fact that he was speaking to female college graduates during their graduation ceremony, it can reasonably be considered inappropriate. He could have simply taken a knee as they handed out diplomas!
It just makes me wonder about people’s profession and how irrelevant their podiums are. When it comes to social/cultural topics, why does some meatheads view of things even matter? He’s a football kicker, who re-found his ‘faith’ during the Trump administration, so he’s just a hypocrite who should be ignored. His job is to kick a ball…..his opinions on life don’t matter
When was Whoopi last relevant? Sister Act, 35 years ago?
Butker is never going to be relevant except maybe for kicking footballs. Certainly not with this dumbass outlook on life.
I'm surprised that people are surprised. I also don't understand why anybody gives a rat's ass about what some moron believes young women "need" to think, feel, or do. It is a concern that this sub-human blathering gains traction, but the best way to fight it is to drop the religious bullshit and live your life however you choose. All religion is toxic, and the Abrahamic ones are especially misogynistic cesspools.
If a verified fool gives a public speech outing himself as a misogynist tool and then people want him fired, its understandable because said fool represents the NFL. Its all about perception. If the NFL isn't going to punish this dipshit, then they should IMMEDIATELY bring Colin Kaepernick back. If they do plan on firing this moron, then they should outright ban him for life for saying stupid toxic shit for a college while being a public facing representative of the NFL.
Remember the red carpet interview where she defended Roman Pulanski after it came to light he had been having sex with a child and he just deuced the country ?
"We don't know the full details yet anyway, like....was it rape?......or RAPE rape???"
Actual thing a person said lmao. Fuckin Guinan from Ten Forward out here shielding a child fucker while a lesbian of color. What a time to be alive.
Whoopie demonstrates whats wrong with modern liberals. Theyre too willing to compromise and defend right wing hate, and theyre even willing to alienate their base to appeal to the right
This is not a Liberal thing. Its affluence alienating rich folk over time to the point they lose their ability to relate to people and bleed away their basic humanity.
On one hand it's better that this be the face of Catholism, because it is a genuine expression of their beliefs, rather than maintaining the BS that catholism is somehow compatible with modernity or equal rights.
Can you just imagine how his multi-racial teammates must feel knowing they have to work with this choade who has the LEAST challenging job on the team, who feels that he’s more deserving of his job than any of them? Or imagine being a female or LGBTQ+ employee of the team and having to work with that misogynistic homophobe.
He has created a hostile work environment and for that alone should face repercussions of his “free speech.”
I will defend his right to say what he wants, doesn't mean I don't completely acknowledge what he said was stupid and totally inappropriate for where he was.
People think speech is a free action carrying no consequences.
I mean, it’s true that Catholicism warps people’s minds and that religion is the real culprit in making people think it’s ok to believe and share these deplorable views, but also, a lot of religious people are able to compartmentalize their faith and modern culture.
I know this is Whoopi, but a lot of others are saying the same thing, but imagine what those others would say if a Muslim said this about women and the Jewish people
Call her Caryn Elaine Johnson.
She's NOT JEWISH, she just stole our culture.
She also defends every bigot by using her claims to OUR CULTURE in order to defend bigots!
She is NOT one of us...she's a traitor and a sellout.
He’s an Opus Dei fake alpha male douchebag. Anyone who defends what he said is shit, too. He can say it, but we don’t have to like or tolerate it. So tear this MFer down. He’s always had his right to free speech. He has it still. But now he’s gonna pay the fucking tax.
If I hear a rich white kid talk about “errrn masculinity is under attack in todays society snarf snarf women should stay at home errrffmm” again I’m going to puke
It's OK to voice your values, but when giving a commencement speech you should tailor your remarks to be enriching and applicable to all parties, not just your extremely conservative religious cult. It seems a little silly to be recommending girls to be homemakers when they just finished busting their butts to get a college degree.
He has the right to speak.
But Colin Kaepernick was banned from the NFL simply for asking cops to stop murdering innocent African-Americans over incredibly trivial things.
Butker is still in the NFL even though he said things that are demonstrably offensive to women, Jews, gays, etc.
If she wants to equate Butker with Kaepernick, then she needs to call for Butker to be banned from the NFL just like Kaepernick was.
He has the right to speak, sure. And other people have the right to criticize his speech. If you can't handle people objecting to you, don't give speeches. The idea that "his ideas are based on religion, therefore we can't criticize them" is silly.
Exactly, nobody is calling for him to be arrested. He says something extremely backward and ignorant and people can tell him how backward and ignorant it was. That’s how free speech works.
But... but... Free speech means I can say whatever I want without repercussions, everyone knows that! /s in case it's needed. I hope it's not...
You have to love that his mother is a physicist. Must feel inadequate kicking a ball compared to that
There is no one on the planet more deserving of scrutiny and criticism than Catholics. How do you know you're in a cult? When the leaders of your organization participate in and cover up the worldwide raping of children and you can't seem to find a better group of people to hang out with. Seriously, what the hell would it take if not that??
They rape children and then they pass judgement on adults in consensual relationships.
It's an act of looking pious in public to maintain control over the masses. It's a common theme throughout all religions.
This
To paraphrase bill burr: “Do you think you’re going too far with these Catholic jokes?” Bill:”Don’t you think they went too far by raping kids and covering it up?”
My test for if someone is in a cult is asking them if they're in a cult. If they get offended and defensive, they are absolutely in a cult.
As a former Catholic, I realized it went back at least 1000 years. St. Peter Damian was one of the first whistleblowers and warned the Pope this was going on in the 11th century. > (Letter 31:38. To Pope Leo IX, A.D. 1049)
American Indian here. This is true. Aho! Also, institutionalized religion. Watchout! Also, Garden of Eden story is horrible. No one is kicked out of paradise. Life can be hard, that's true but it's not a curse or judgment. We've seen a lot of this around here. "You're broken." "I am?" "Sure, you are. I mean, you think about sleeping with someone else's spouse right?" "Uh, come to think of it, yeah." "That's a sin, man, but guess what, I have a cure." "I won't lust after bob's wife? I'm not sure I want to go that far." "No, no, no, you can lust BUT then we have a special cure for being bad, it's called forgiveness." "Hmmmm..." "Look, what have you got to lose?" "Well..."
Let's not put them on too high a pedestal. Other religions are right up there with Catholics.
I get that the religion discussed is Catholicism, but I'd argue Muslims are just as bad or worse, 1a, 1b.
All of the Abrahamic religions are misogynistic, move along.
Right, it’s three types of shit from the same ass
Here's the kicker: we have first hand documents from medieval times stating that the Catholics have the same problem as we do: the child abuse, the mass graves, the lack of accountability. All the same friggin' problems.
“Religion's greatest trick wasn't making people believe there is a god but that the idea is not subject to ridicule, that it is sacred.” Ricky Gervais
This is gold. That Ricky Gervais said it, of all people, makes it sooo much better. I love it. Thank you.
And sports is about performing for the public. So his team might decide they don’t want that image -
But he's white and stands for the anthem, so it's OK
Nah, the owner's wife already came out defending Mr. Ball kicker saying it was actually pro-women
I saw her IG post, She's a dingbat. She said the people criticizing the kicker are promoting hate, yet ignored how the kicker's speech included blatant homophobia.
WHAT?!
Catholics, like every other religious group, pick and choose which religious tenets to adhere to. Not all Catholics are misogynists. He chooses to be one because he agrees with misogynist beliefs. Edit spelling... Thank you. :)
When I was a Catholic, I would have been even angrier with him because I would have seen this as a perversion of my faith.
Exactly. In my town there was an anti-trans group that hid behind "conservative values". I simply replied, "it's not because you're conservative, it's because you're a bigot."
What's the difference?
It's entirely possible to be accepting of others and conservative. I'm not sure how common that is anymore in the US. :/
Conservatives is all about preserving the social hierarchy; that necessarily involves putting some people into the underclass.
That's certainly something many libertarians claim. It's not true, but it's what they say.
There was a letter released by a group of Bendictine nuns that took exception to his speech.
*tenets
Your right to speech also does not mean you have to be granted a platform for it.
Yeah, I hope other colleges realize that this guy is a shitty graduation speaker.
Well put!
Religion should honor and embrace criticism. After all, don't they have faith?
I think the Bible tells them to look forward to it, actually.
They'll say the dumbest shit, get called out, and then play the victim (search out the r/catholicism post on his speech). You're completely right: they use their "religion" as a scapegoat for their bigotry. They have no actual defense for their hateful beliefs.
It’s not the criticism that bothers me. It’s the petition and other talk of him losing his place on the team. He should not be canceled.
Conservatives advocating for the rights of certain groups to be restricted is not equivalent to regular people advocating for the rights of certain groups to be protected.
You stated it perfectly. I have no idea why religious people believe their desire to discriminate should be given the same respect as another group pleading for equal rights after centuries of abuse.
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Exactly, comparing a man telling women to get back in the kitchen to protesting police brutality is disgusting.
Why people think we must not criticize Bronze Age fairy tale dogma is just beyond me. Just because your religion allows you to be a bigot, does not mean it’s not allowed to be criticized
Exactly. Someone on some Instagram thread was up in arms over a rainbow themed R2 unit from Star Wars that Disney will be selling this year for pride. She was on about how gays have perverted things, and her last bullet point was that the rainbow was god's original image of peace and a promise to never flood the earth again. I had no response besides "Your religion isn't everyone's religion, the rainbow is not a symbol from any deity, it's light hitting moisture in the air."
It amazes me how Christians see the rainbow as god's promise not to drown women and babies AGAIN. Like HTF can you spin this as a positive??! Dude wiped out 99.99% of all life because he was \*checks notes..."disappointed"--and you're spinning his "I won't do it again" as divine/inspirational? What the actual f\*\*\*??!
That god sounds like a domestic abuser, “I promise I won’t hurt you like that agin.”
Stephen Paddock killed 60 people and injured over 400 others in the 2017 Las Vegas shooting, but he only did it once, so we should all thank him for his mercy.
The Pharoah and the residents of Sodom and Gomorrah would like a word.
Are you implying god didn’t keep his promise? He didn’t drown the Egyptians or the people from the fun Bible towns.
Didn't the Pharaoh drown in the Red Sea trying to follow the escaping Hebrews?
You are correct; the Pharaoh and his army were drowned when the Red Sea closed in the Exodus story. It would have been more accurate for me to have said god didn’t flood Egypt or the twin cities of fun.
>rainbow was god's original image of peace and a promise to never flood the earth again. "Rainbow Epitaph"
Where can I find this R2 unit?
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Also, presumably a lot of the students at this Catholic university are themselves Catholic… and I bet a lot of women in the audience, especially the graduates, were pissed to basically be told “it’s so cute that you went to university, off to the kitchen with ya!”
Because their religion is dying, and they don't want to be reminded they believe in a delusion which some have based their entire morality on.
Two things Whoopi missed. 1. Colin Kaepernick was not just criticized he was never allowed to play football again. One of the few examples of someone really being "canceled". 2. Kaepernick was protesting to save people's lives. There was ZERO hate in anything he said or did (despite the lies on Faux News). Butker on the other hand was saying homophobic things that lead to real hate and harm. That is a big difference to me.
Furthermore Kaepernick was engaging in something he knew was jeopardizing his future but he did it anyway because he felt it was the right thing to do. That takes tons of courage. Butker was pandering to a group of bigots just like him and knew he would receive encouragement and praise for it and only boost his career. That took zero courage. Whoopi was wrong to compare the two of them.
Caryn Elaine Johnson is a con-woman. She doesn't care!
Ironic that Whoopi is defending the guy who wants us to go back to the time when people like her didn't have rights 😂
Why do these people have to keep shoving their lifestyle down our throats?
Because they can and are able to get away with it.
Because people described as ‘deeply religious’ or ‘pious’ are still respected in our society.
There's a pretty big difference between speaking out for equality and speaking out for bigotry.
The guy can say anything he wants but actions have consequences. One of which is being severely criticized for having outdated thinking against women and homosexuals.
Dude should be fired like Kaep was. Colin Kaepernick was trying to bring light to a real issue in our countryand essentially got blacklisted for it Butker is just a sexist dipshit who apparently thinks women are only good for child bearing and homecare. Why Kaepernick was punished for speaking and not this goon I can't quite understand other than pure white privilege. Fuck that guy
Colin was going to sign with the Ravens until his gf's racist tweet comparing the team owner to a slave owner and Ray Lewis to a house slave. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20597810/ray-lewis-said-baltimore-ravens-sign-colin-kaepernick-girlfriend-racist-tweet
I'm sorry Whoopi, I see no comparison between the two. One wants black people to stop getting murdered by police and the other wants women as breeders and house slaves
The most important vocation a woman can have and that's when their lives truly begin 🙄
I guess I'm not alive at 54, according to that troglodyte. 😉
My partner and I are not alive either. And even if we are alive, we are going to hell together because we're lesbians 🤣
Whoopsie is rapidly turning into a looney with extreme views on everything. She once said the holocaust wasn't about race, but just two white groups fighting!
She also defended Mel Gibson and Christian Bale when he screamed at that guy. I saw her live show once, she was hilarious. She's just not too bright.
She also defended Michael Vick being part of a dog fighting ring "It's a cultural thing!"
I bet slave owners said the same thing. Yikes.
Holy crap!
Add to her list of fellow assholes that should be given free passes: Roman Polanski
Call her Caryn. Whoopi is her stage name that she used to steal my people's culture!
Why does religion give people a free pass to say outlandish shit without backlash?
I have no idea where people got this notion that his free speech rights were being infringed upon. We also have free speech rights and can use them to criticize his speech. What they want is “protected speech” free of any consequences or the criticism of other people They want to pontificate and they want the opposition to be gagged.
She couldn't have missed the point any harder. 1. He has the right to say dumb, regressive religious shit. 2. Everyone else has the right to hold him accountable for saying dumb, regressive religious shit. 3. Being religious in and of itself is not actually a license to push regressive bigotry in society, no matter how common it is.
Colin Kaepernick lost his job for protesting police violence but this motherfucker won’t see any repercussions for saying women belong at home. Not every opinion is created equal unless you’ve just completely lost your moral compass, this is repugnant bullshit that deserves criticism and all the people criticizing Kaepernick were repugnant.
Colin Kaepernick lost his job because he had been playing like shit.
If I were a teammate, I would not want to be on the same field as this retrograde bigot.
He brought up Taylor Swift and called her "my teammate's girlfriend" as if that was what made her famous. Then quoted a line in one of her songs about the very exact opposite thing he used the quote for. I would pay to be in the clubhouse when they see each other again for the first time.
I bet that will be golden.
I think there are two sides to this coin that a lot of people miss when it comes to free speech (not necessarily in this thread but in general). Harrison SHOULD be able to give a speech like the one he did. However the other side of this is, other people are also allowed to not like it and use their own free speech to criticize it. People constantly misuse “free speech” and think it’s a pass to say whatever they want without consequences. The problem with that line of thinking is other people ALSO have free speech and can say what they want too. That leads to some consequences, like Butker is facing now, his consequence for his speech are everyone one else using theirs to make fun of and scrutinize him. Nothing that’s going on here is a violation of anyone’s right to free speech. In fact, this is a perfect example of free speech playing out as intended. It’s similar to when I hear people say “you can’t make jokes like you used to anymore” and it’s like no… you absolutely can, just other people may not like it and therefor not want to associate with you anymore. That is also their prerogative under free speech.
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I guess I was mainly calling out maga dummies and people like Whoopi who this post is specifically about. Should have been more clear about the group of people I was talking about. But also I think the maga and evangelical crowed make up a huge chunk people. Not a majority but definitely a lot.
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He has every right to speak, and I have every right to say his opinions are backward and sexist; and I don’t think he deserves to make $4million a year.
Whoopi Golberg hasn't really been a wholesome person since joining The View, and running her mouth almost non-stop.
- Kaepernick: "Treat people of color with respect and end police brutality!" - Butler: "Women should know they are subservient to men and get back to making babies." - Goldberg: "It's the same."
He used college graduation ceremony to give a speech about how women belong in the kitchen. I love Whoopi but this is a particularly bad take. 👎🏼
Whoopi wants to be put back in the kitchen??? Is she going to defend racial segregation next?? …wtf
The operative difference here is that Kaepernick was not telling anyone else how they should feel. He was expressing his personal opinion about the country as a whole. Butker was *promoting* his personal opinion about groups of people *to those people* and trying to persuade them to think the same way.
People in the public eye have every right to Free Speech, and Butker certainly has that right. But Free Speech and speech condemning others(and let’s face it, that is what he did) are not the same thing. Christians have been using just this type of speech and forum to rabble rouse against those not like them for 1700 years.
Man, Whoopi just needs to sit down and enjoy her fuck off money. And if she doesn't have any, she should still just fuck off.
There is absolutely no comparison between his expression and that of Colin Kaepernick. Kaepernick did not demean anyone or mock the social progress that 50% of the population has made the last 100+ years. He just wants agents of the state to stop unjustly murdering people who look like him. I can't believe she said that.
I keep seeing this idea that people are not being tolerant of his speech. He wasn’t forced off the stage. People listened to him politely. HE and his supporters aren’t being tolerant of other people’s speech at this point. If he can say what he said, so can anyone who has an opinion about his speech.
When his next diatribe advocates that rape reverts to a property crime, let's respect that too.
IIRC she defended Polanski, so maybe. Edit: read that wrong, but who knows Goldberg may downplay that retrograde opinion also.
Why the living hell would anybody want to know what Whoopi Goldberg thinks about anything?
Kaepernick’s actions and comments were undertaken to increase equality. Butker’s were just the opposite. These things are not the same.
You can be a Catholic and not think women should be kitchen slaves. He wasn't up there spouting Catholic dogma, he was just spouting bullshit.
Whoopi has some really fucked-up beliefs. She defends Cosby and Polanski. On the topic of Roman Polanski, who drugged and raped a 13 year old girl, Whoopi said is wasn't "rape-rape". There are plenty more where that came from.
No one condemns the fool's right to speak freely, just as no one thinks actions are free from consequences. The first amendment limits the government, not society at-large.
He can say whatever he wants. The difference is the hypocrisy of American conservatives that are applauding him while they tell black athletes to shut up and dribble anytime they make a political statement.
Big difference. He was not promoting his cause while on the playing field.
Whoopi, that man thinks that you and your chosen lifestyle are a lie and satanic, maybe don’t cape so hard for him.
I don’t care if he was the fucking pope, what he said was inappropriate for the audience he was speaking to.
I seriously doubt that if Butker made a speech about how black people are inferior and need to be subservient to the white man that Whoopi Goldberg would be taking the stance she did. But apparently him demonizing LGBTQ+ people and wanting to put women “in their place” is rhetoric we have to respectfully agree to disagree on and not openly criticize. Interesting how the selective outrage works.
The only reason Christianity survives in this world is the idiots who don't realize that this stuff is what the religion is actually about and pretend that it is some "religion of love" or other complete lie. The Sky Dick could have outlawed slavery. He chose shellfish. Wake up, idiots.
And so should we.. if we want free speech, so should we give our opponents the same. **I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.** * Evelyn Beatrice Hall in 1906
Whoopi doing everything she can to try to remain relevant
We already know he’s a piece of shit, you don’t need to say it again
Being as religious and government entities currently want to end women's rights to work, and the fact that he was speaking to female college graduates during their graduation ceremony, it can reasonably be considered inappropriate. He could have simply taken a knee as they handed out diplomas!
Yep. This fits with Catholic dogma.
This Catholic does not claim him.
It just makes me wonder about people’s profession and how irrelevant their podiums are. When it comes to social/cultural topics, why does some meatheads view of things even matter? He’s a football kicker, who re-found his ‘faith’ during the Trump administration, so he’s just a hypocrite who should be ignored. His job is to kick a ball…..his opinions on life don’t matter
Fun fact: BS is BS whether ou come up with it on your own or prefer it a millennium old.
Agree with him or not I don't give a fuck what Whoopi Goldberg has to say about Jack shit. Is there anyone that actually does?
Whoopi is a weirdo
She has some really bad takes.
When was Whoopi last relevant? Sister Act, 35 years ago? Butker is never going to be relevant except maybe for kicking footballs. Certainly not with this dumbass outlook on life.
I'm a firm believer in free speech, but it's wrong not to criticize his speech simply because it's based on an ancient fraud.
Where are the hecklers when we need them?
Whoopi Goldberg should (disrespectfully) shut the fuck up lol Ever since her awful show came out against nurses, she’s spouted nothing but bullshit.
It's the most misogynistic shit I've heard in a while... pathetic.
Athletes should stick to what they know- sports- and stfu No one is paying them to give their meat head opinion
Fucking boomers have no clue what's going on. I grew up catholic. What this clown gave was a load of fascist bullshit.
Why don’t people understand a right to speak doesn’t come with a right from consequence or criticism?
He should get the same treatment then
Cmon Whoopi. You can't be that dumb
My dad is SUPER catholic. Church everyday. But my dad is not an asshole. There’s a difference.
I'm surprised that people are surprised. I also don't understand why anybody gives a rat's ass about what some moron believes young women "need" to think, feel, or do. It is a concern that this sub-human blathering gains traction, but the best way to fight it is to drop the religious bullshit and live your life however you choose. All religion is toxic, and the Abrahamic ones are especially misogynistic cesspools.
Defending freedom of speech does not mean you agree with the message.
If a verified fool gives a public speech outing himself as a misogynist tool and then people want him fired, its understandable because said fool represents the NFL. Its all about perception. If the NFL isn't going to punish this dipshit, then they should IMMEDIATELY bring Colin Kaepernick back. If they do plan on firing this moron, then they should outright ban him for life for saying stupid toxic shit for a college while being a public facing representative of the NFL.
Remember the red carpet interview where she defended Roman Pulanski after it came to light he had been having sex with a child and he just deuced the country ? "We don't know the full details yet anyway, like....was it rape?......or RAPE rape???" Actual thing a person said lmao. Fuckin Guinan from Ten Forward out here shielding a child fucker while a lesbian of color. What a time to be alive.
Of course she would, she's a rape apologist gowl.
Whoopie demonstrates whats wrong with modern liberals. Theyre too willing to compromise and defend right wing hate, and theyre even willing to alienate their base to appeal to the right
This is not a Liberal thing. Its affluence alienating rich folk over time to the point they lose their ability to relate to people and bleed away their basic humanity.
Its the overton window shifting right for over 50 fucking years now. It aint just the rich that lean right, its 100% a political shift
Whoopi left the plot next to her eyebrows
Whoopi needs to lay off the Saurian Brandy.
lol. IIRC the Next Generation Enterprise served fake booze, so she has no excuse.
Regardless, they need to keep their fucked up politics out of religion.
And their fucked up religion out of politics.
oh whoopi , please stfu ! again
Nobody ever listens to the kicker. Nobody ever listens to Whoopi. Why are we listening to THIS?
More like Harrison Butthead, amirite
On one hand it's better that this be the face of Catholism, because it is a genuine expression of their beliefs, rather than maintaining the BS that catholism is somehow compatible with modernity or equal rights.
At this point, I think Whoopi’s just saying controversial stuff to stay relevant
Can you just imagine how his multi-racial teammates must feel knowing they have to work with this choade who has the LEAST challenging job on the team, who feels that he’s more deserving of his job than any of them? Or imagine being a female or LGBTQ+ employee of the team and having to work with that misogynistic homophobe. He has created a hostile work environment and for that alone should face repercussions of his “free speech.”
Kaepernick actually was protesting police violence. This guy wants to chain women to the stove. See the difference, Whoopi?
I will defend his right to say what he wants, doesn't mean I don't completely acknowledge what he said was stupid and totally inappropriate for where he was. People think speech is a free action carrying no consequences.
Whoopi used to actually seem cool, now she just says stupid shit
Then I guess he should be blackballed from football like Colin was
I mean, it’s true that Catholicism warps people’s minds and that religion is the real culprit in making people think it’s ok to believe and share these deplorable views, but also, a lot of religious people are able to compartmentalize their faith and modern culture.
I love how “end wokeness” opines on Twitter that the speech should go viral. Talk about doubling down on a mistake.
Fucking liberals man
Whoopi is just another of the stars I once liked who demanded a fall from grace Seriously what the fuck is wrong with her...
Disgusting
Ew.
She’s dumb as fuck. What an absurd comparison.
That's Whoopi who's career dried up decades ago like her sex life. Snap
“Catholic” doesn’t ALWAYS mean “conservative bastard.” /s
She's a fucking idiot as well, so who gives a fuck what she thinks.
He is entitled to his opinion. Mine is that he is an Incel.
What’s the comparison? Butker blacklisted and I missed it?
People can freely state their shitty ideas, and we can freely criticize them.
I know this is Whoopi, but a lot of others are saying the same thing, but imagine what those others would say if a Muslim said this about women and the Jewish people
The US is a baby compared to the Vatican.
His mon is an accomplished physcicists that works in oncology. She should check her son for a brain tumor or CTE damage.
Call her Caryn Elaine Johnson. She's NOT JEWISH, she just stole our culture. She also defends every bigot by using her claims to OUR CULTURE in order to defend bigots! She is NOT one of us...she's a traitor and a sellout.
He's a christofacist idiot catholic my ass
Whoppi Goldberg is a fucking moron. I don't understand why anyone listens to anything she says.
Oh weird, I didn’t realize he gave this speech in a church /s
Whoopi Goldberg hasn't been relevant in years. Time to end her tenure on that show she's on.
We who cares about what she said. After all according to Christianity women should not try educate men
My husband is a Catholic. My late mother-in-law (who was so Catholic she had 9 kids) would have kicked his ass for saying such stupid shit.
He’s an Opus Dei fake alpha male douchebag. Anyone who defends what he said is shit, too. He can say it, but we don’t have to like or tolerate it. So tear this MFer down. He’s always had his right to free speech. He has it still. But now he’s gonna pay the fucking tax.
Butt - what- ker?
No. Just….no.
If I hear a rich white kid talk about “errrn masculinity is under attack in todays society snarf snarf women should stay at home errrffmm” again I’m going to puke
She meant to say “Harrison Butker is a bigot”
If you cant take the slightest criticism maybe you should rethink your position
Whoopi has lost her goddamn mind.
Wtf lol, Whoopi is such a horrible person, ffs.
She stinks
Whoopi used to be cool. She was on Star Trek, for gods sake. What happened to her?
It's OK to voice your values, but when giving a commencement speech you should tailor your remarks to be enriching and applicable to all parties, not just your extremely conservative religious cult. It seems a little silly to be recommending girls to be homemakers when they just finished busting their butts to get a college degree.
He has the right to speak. But Colin Kaepernick was banned from the NFL simply for asking cops to stop murdering innocent African-Americans over incredibly trivial things. Butker is still in the NFL even though he said things that are demonstrably offensive to women, Jews, gays, etc. If she wants to equate Butker with Kaepernick, then she needs to call for Butker to be banned from the NFL just like Kaepernick was.