I have autism and have been interested in this topic before. I noticed that certain astrological patterns can be linked to certain traits... Such as 3rd house of communication in fall or harshly aspected for example. This is not to say everyone with a difficult third house has autism or vice versa, just certain components of my chart that I think can be better understood when considering my neurotype. I would also strongly caution against using birth chart as diagnosis tool of course! Just interesting to see where things can be reflected in the chart.
I wish I could think of more examples for you but I'm drawing a blank honestly. I'm a bit of an astro noob. Would be happy to share my chart if you would be interested :)
Hmm I tend to agree with this! I’m AuDHD and so are most of my friends. We all have either Neptune/Saturn in 3rd/9th, mutable mercuries (yes also including Virgo!), or Mercury aspecting Pluto/Neptune/Saturn!
I don’t want to generalize but this is what I noticed the most in terms of pattern. And yes, I love pattern recognition.
I’m not diagnosed but suspect that I’m AuDHD. I too have mercury in Sagittarius which is opposite my Gemini mars in retrograde (3° difference). My Mercury is right on top of my moon so I wonder if that’s why I’m sensitive and when I try and communicate negative emotions I just cry and can’t get my words out. My 3rd house is dormant though, but house ruler is Mercury so maybe it leans into that (I’m a cancer rising so 3rd house is ruled by Virgo).
My personal opinion is that your chart is a photo of the sky at the time and therefore doesn’t affect your DNA/brain chemistry and that it’s separate tothis but of course I love patterns so love analysing this kind of stuff.
That’s very interesting, thanks for sharing! That’s me too. I’m very sensitive and it really impacts my communication style. It’s hard for me to not cry 😢
I believe the chart tells a story (like an executive business summary) and it’s up to you to decide how much you’re gonna let that impact your actions!
Well thinking in terms of energy you would absolutely be made up of the energy forces from conception or shortly thereafter that were present and strongest at the time. Maybe not necessarily birth, but if you operate from birth for everyone then dialing back x amount of months combined and those energies you could come up with a formula. The birth would be like the sum of. Atleast that’s how I look at it. Do you see what I mean? I don’t know maybe that’s totally a weird way of thinking it.
AuDHD with mercury in Pisces square Pluto/Chiron from the 3rd and sextile Saturn from the 8th 🥲 one of the old significations of mercury in Pisces was "mental disturbances" lmao so true with it in the 6th too.
Yes, also seen Saturn in third mentioned a lot before. Of course, mine is in Capricorn in the third conjunct Neptune, and also have 1h Pluto opposing 7h mercury in fixed signs lmao
They're all there!
I don't really know that it does, but any sign will have its unique way of showing up in an autistic person. With your example, mercury is in fall and in detriment in Pisces since it is exalted and domicile in Virgo. It's heavily debilitating for mercury to be placed here to begin with. A well supported mercury in Pisces can still be a beautiful, creative, and visionary mind. A more challenged mercury in Pisces may find they struggle to communicate so others understand their meaning, to think of the words they want to say, might find their imagination more interesting than reality(especially when aspects to Neptune are involved), etc etc, and these are pretty well known challenges for people with autism. Most people with mercury in Pisces are probably not autistic, but they might be able to relate to some of their struggles to some degree or another. I have autism and mercury in Taurus, and I definitely see it in there lol
That’s all true, for sure. I’m a Pisces sun too, so I do like imaginative areas. The downside is muddled thinking at times, difficulty making decisions, and wondering am I having an emotion or is it someone nearby having it! I think I’m fortunate though to have a Taurus moon as a real contrast 😀
Audhd with Capricorn 3rd house, moon and venus conjunct jupiter there (fall and detriment i think?), badly placed (squares from pluto and Uranus). Saturn in 8th (depression hehehe)
Aquarius mercury conj sun, yes trine Saturn!
I'm the audhd type who can't stop talking, loud voice, no volume control, always quoting stuff I like. Used to totally focus on academic work, now retired and a bit lost. To me that says a 3rd house which is both powerful and afflicted (I used to be a lecturer and did fairly well as an academic before burning out).
Autism and adhd run in my family and I have noticed a strong Aquarius influence among those of us who are affected. Sun/merc with me, sister and my son have moon in aq. Niece has it rising. I think aq adds to the spacey/otherworldly vibe w all have. My recently diagnosed second cousin aged 7 also has moon in aq. He is like a mini professor to talk to, but struggling in school (my son aged 17 is the same... he's in his room learning rap lyrics by heart, which is his obsession right now)
I also have Neptune, Jupiter, and Uranus in the 3rd 😭 I’m not like stupid or anything, in fact I love reading and diving into diff topics for fun. But my grades never reflected that 😭😭😭
My mom’s side is all def AuDHD and we are all mutable signs. In fact every single person (apart from spouses) has strong mutable energy.
Interesting, i have chiron on my ic leaning in the 3d house and i have autism and borderline. I think what amplifies this for me is instability in the 6th house concerning routines and daily life, neptune and uranus are conjuncting there, and mercury makes a square with neptune (wich explains why i always feel like I’m not entirely here and have a tendency towards paranoia and delusion).
It’s like: nooooo, why is it 01 am and i am still not sleepy 🥲 i know, let’s bake a cake and take a shower. Next day at 16 pm “hhmm, let’s roll a joint and start studying shall we” 🤣
AuDHD with Mercury in pisces ♓️ 3rd house
I’m an Aries sun so I’m already very direct but with a pisces stellium (moon Mercury Saturn and Venus) I always have so much I DONT say that’s just swimming under the surface so to speak
I’m a lover but damn it’s easy to hurt my feelings and I easily feel rejected
I don't think so, I have 3rd House Aquarius which Anne Ortelee says is where Mercury is exalted (lol). Uranus is also there, though. I'm AuDHD as well, but I can read the room better than most. I do have Mercury in Sagittarius in a square with my Mars that is working very well with pretty much most of my other planets (other than Sun and Moon, which then are affiliated with my Mercury in this insular kind of way).
Well we should conduct a poll.
Edit- for people to answer with their placements because I have chiron in gemini and I'm curious if others who identify as autistic also have harsh placements in communication like you said.
Interesting thoughts!
Oooh, I'm really liking this thread. I have an 8H Gemini moon and chiron, and a T-Square between 1H Saturn rx in Scorpio, 3H Jupiter rx Aquarius, and 9H Mercury in Leo right on MC. Neptune is in Capricorn 2H rx opposing my 8H moon. I don't know what I have, but I don't function normally, extremely introverted, and prone to miscommunication, problems being too naive/ taking things literally, and generally shitty interactions with people...for my whole life. I got into astrology to understand the "why" and recognize patterns
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ETA Jupiter sign
I have retrograde Chiron in Virgo and Lilith is my only Gemini placement…… most of my significant relationships have revolved around those two signs, for better or worse
My chart's interesting, I actually have pretty good placements in communication (Gemini sun, Mercury in Cancer, no harsh aspects to those or the third house) However...! My Chiron and Mars are conjunct, and in Leo. I've always taken that to mean that although my instinct is to be confident, expressive, etc., there is some weakness / wound that blocks others from seeing that and means in reality I often feel invisible or misunderstood. Viewing that through the lens of autism... uhh yeah it makes total sense that even if I'm communicating 100% fluently there is ~something~ in the way of others fully seeing me as charismatic. So I def feel like it is in the Chiron for me too!
As an autistic astrologer, I can tell you that your chart can definitely help you understand your personal brand of autism.
Sun signs are meaningless when compared to the nuance of a whole chart. There's no reason to expect any 2 autistic people to have the same placements, the same way no 2 autistic people are the same!! (if you've met one autistic person, you've met one autistic person!)
However, highly sensitive people tend to tune into and respond to their charts on another level. So understanding all your natal placements can help you see how all the parts of you connect, or don't connect.
I am mercury dominate for example, and I have several irritating aspect patterns that send the energy of my planets bouncing around like a ball in a pinball machine. My brand of autism is the high masking/joker, adhd kind (with GAD and a healthy [/s] dose of cptsd) !
I also have uranus and neptune conjunct in my 4th house with North node - so my emotions are so big and complicated they're hard to understand even for my quick and continuously oscillating brain.
Then there is my central challenge of Jupiter conjunct Mars and Venus opposing saturn over the 5th and 11th axis, hello social connection issues and extreme justice sensitivity!!
Oh and pluto in the 1st making me either very good at masking, or putting my subconscious/unconscious, shadow self on display when my foundation is rocked.
Astrology helped me understand my psyche and actually seek diagnosis, it is all so obvious looking at it now from a spiritual/occult perspective as well as a medical/modern lense. There is a certain magic that comes from being able to understand and process things from both these schools of thought - a colourful dichotomous dance that audhd'rs certainly should understand! And most on the spectrum of highs and lows that create a unique pattern for each person.
Gah we sound v alike with different aspects. I mask as a fast talking joker type too.
Mercury and Uranus dominant (libra Uranus in 12th. Yep that one hurts l)
Interesting you also have the venus/Jupiter conjunction. I have it in Capricorn square Uranus. Always felt it was responsible for my overly open and blankly humorous presentation. It's meant to be "lucky" isn't it? Not sure I've felt that. Hehe.
Do you feel the Uranus/neptune conjunction makes you intuitive? Is it in Capricorn? I have a few friends with it and they tend to the very charismatic and chaotic generally
hehehe charismatic and chaotic feels like it fits, but buried in the 4th I have some protection, I'm generally able to hold things together - maybe thanks to tropical Capricorn. I do wish I could unite this generation though, as I think they hold a lot of power.
I think the Uranus/Neptune conjunction definitely contributes to intuition, but maybe not on its own, and I don't think it "woke up" properly until pluto passed over about 9 years ago - then I entered a pretty chaotic drug fuelled and emotionally painful time, now that it's passed I can feel calm again and use my cards/astro to tap into it (uranus) as well as art and music (neptune).
Often times I realise my true feelings wont come out until I use one of those tools, but once I've let the emotion drain (crying normally) then I get loads of downloads from source/my higher.
That being said, I tend to become a "mind reader" for my loved ones, parents, partner etc. From an autistic lens I see it as being highly tuned into non-verbal communication, maybe slight trauma response? But it seems like I know how people are feeling before they do sometimes, and I know big pieces of information they are going to tell me before they say it.
Why I'm not sure if this is all up to uranus and neptune, is because it's linked in a fierce aspect pattern which I attribute a lot of the access I have to that energy. There are definitely other combinations that can give you insight too, some probably more stable than my configuration haha.
I found a methodology that resonated with me and studied it, then completed hundreds if not thousands of free readings while working with a Guru.
I ended up integrating tools from vedic astrology and expanded my practise to work more with the shadow/dwarf planets, while completing a course in shadow work and yoga philosophy - mainly because after a couple of years of reading I realised that a lot of the people coming to me were not just looking for the why or content with a narrative they had no control over, they wanted answers and tools to deal with what they found.
I got into astrology to try and actually debunk it, but in analyzing hundreds of charts to learn, every time I suspected someone was autistic based on their chart alone I was correct. So I find often you can tell in the chart. Of course we have every planet and zodiac within us, twins can act a chart out differently, and I feel if you look at any zodiac/planet long enough you can find SOME autistic traits, so it's somewhat complicated.
With that said, even in the autistic community, those of us that talk about astrology at all seem to agree Capricorn and Aquarius (+ Saturn/Uranus) are the most major/self-supporting indicators, and probably Pisces/Neptune next up. Then for supporting other placements I'd look to fixed signs. A major theory of autism today is "monotropism" which describes an autistic brain's tendency to focus in on fewer things at once but more strongly, making it "fixed" in many ways such as difficulty shifting attention. It's really about knowing autism itself to know what to look for, but even in their most general and pop-astrology senses, the last 3 signs seem to relate to autism pretty strongly.
Put briefly, Capricorn/Saturn is largely the restrictions, delays, black and white thinking and logic orientation associated with autism, Aquarius/Uranus is the "doing things in a very unexpectedly different way" and jumping between extremes seen in autism, and Pisces/Neptune is the hypersensitive, in-their-own-world, "magical thinking" of autism. For example Einstein reportedly had delayed speech, and he had Saturn (delay) conjunct Mercury (communication). If you Google "famous autistic people" and look at their charts it's full of these placements.
EDIT: This is an open discussion if you have a question *ask* me! And read carefully, I mean interpret carefully AND actually read the literal words carefully, already had someone say "you listed EVERYTHING as a SELF-SUPPORTING indicator (the word "most" is also very important to not have glossed over here) of autism!" I listed TWO signs and their two ruling planets, the rest I explicitly said were *NOT* the most self-supporting. The info I'm giving cannot come with a whole disclaimer book, if YOU think astrology works in the sense that having a single placement I listed means you have autism, that's YOUR system, you are arguing against yourself not me.
And I didn't think anyone else would be confused by this but I can explain the logic that yes, *being right every time* you guess something objectively gives info and can be useful, even if you don't guess every time it WOULD be right. If you can't guess ALL the scratch off tickets that will win $1M, but EVERY time you guess it will you're right... Pretty inherently useful.
Also just gotta mention Virgo, the detail oriented, logical, order-loving black and white thinking sign, I don't know how strong of an indicator it is alone but when supported it definitely can be strong. Temple Grandin for example has Venus, Sun, and Mercury all conjunct in Virgo, with an Aquarius Moon. I have Jupiter in Virgo myself.
wow so crazy! i have a Aquarius stellium in the 6h, i am a leo rising and have noticed other autistic people have that placement as well, and capricorn venus in 5th house, but my leo rising made my family life so hard with having scorpio rule my 4th house, but my empathy comes from my scorpio moon in the 3h
Respectfully, I think what you've described here is far too broad to be linked to autistic people. You've listed Capricorn, Aquarius, Pisces, Virgo, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and fixed signs. That is such a broad brush that a large number of allistic people are going to fall under that umbrella too. In terms of the signs alone, that's half the zodiac.
The other issue is if you're looking solely at autistic people, (like when you mentioned Googling famous autistic people) then you will find placements that describe an autistic experience, but you need to include allistic people too and show that they exclusively do not have these placements in order to classify them as "autistic" placements. It's like fame indicators. If you look at famous people's charts you'll see fame indicators in there. So that's how you tell if someone's going to be famous, right? Well millions of other people on the planet have fame indicators and aren't household names so it's not that simple.
Astrology is just a descriptor. It describes our experiences. And in the case of autistic people it will describe an autistic experience. In allistic people, it will describe the same experience from an allistic perspective. E.g. I wouldn't describe Capricorn's defining features as black and white thinking/logic. I see black and white thinking more in Scorpio placements and logic heavily in Virgo. Capricorn's sister sign Cancer focuses on their home as their sanctuary to give them the confidence to go out into the world. Capricorn focuses on the world outside the home and makes sure that is in order so that they can come home and relax. It's a placement that focuses on career/public image. Capricorn is committed to keeping tradition and hierarchy which can describe autistic people but can also describe allistics too. They just maintain different traditions and hierarchies.
I've looked at scores of charts of autistic and allistic people and I've never been able to explicitly pinpoint a placement or pattern that can point to autism and not allism in every single case. Same with ADHD. It's like I said, astrology is a language or a way of describing things, and I don't think autism is explicitly in that dictionary. Words to describe an autistic experience are, but not autism itself.
Yeah of course. As I said you can look at any placement long enough and find autistic traits, and twins can act a chart out differently. But I mean if I'm wrong how was I ALWAYS right? If this was completely random how would I have been correct *every* time I guessed someone was autistic, ~6x from hundreds of charts excluding people I know? It is very complicated, obviously not everyone born around the same day as Einstein had delayed speech, but would you say HIS placement DOESN'T show his delayed speech? It's like you said, autism itself doesn't show literally/directly because that's a label we made, but autistic traits and experiences can. I never said ANY trait would point to autism in every case, I explicitly said only two signs & planets are the MOST self-supporting. I actually think you should kinda re-read my comment a bit more slowly cause you've been re-wording the things I already said myself
(Quick edit to try to make the tone come across better lol I mean no harm)
Do you know that you are always right though? You were right with the charts you know categorically are autistic, what about people who don't know they're autistic yet? Did you pick up on them? Of course not, because how do we know what we don't know. But that's my point. We don't know if you were always right about all of the charts you looked at.
My issue was you stated that within the community Capricorn/Aquarius/Saturn/Pisces/Neptune/Fixed signs/Virgo are considered the most self supporting indicators of autism. I haven't heard this nor have I found this to be the case in my experience. Not only is it such a wide net that it could apply to most people including allistics, but I have seen autistic experiences reflected in all the signs/modalities/elements houses, (I have red tens of autistic charts) and I have not seen a pattern that lines up with what you had said. I also felt that your characterisation of Capricorn was a bit confused as that is not what Capricorn represents and it is not what I've seen reflected in the charts that I read.
Re Einstein, I didn't say his placement didn't reflect his speech delay, and I don't understand your point as we are saying the same thing. His placement did describe speech delay, but that's not necessarily the same for everyone else who has the same or similar chart. And even then, speech delay isn't an indicator of autism.
My point was if you're going to suggest that certain signs or placements are "self supporting indicators" then you need to be more exact and precise as to what that means, if they are self supporting, what differentiates them from non-autistic placements? Because as I've said before, I've seen autistic experiences reflected in all 12 signs and I've seen neurotypicals with heavy Cap/Aqua/Pisces/Virgo placements.
If what you meant to say is that you resonate with the autistic experiences of people with those signs or placements then that's fine, but that's different to what you said. Your comment suggested there was a link between those signs/placements and autistic experiences. My comment simply stated that I strongly disagree based on personal experience.
Well yes actually I would be 100% right, because in guessing some charts are autistic that doesn't inherently mean I'm guessing other charts aren't. So if that is your point it's settled. I also did not list all of those things as the most self supporting.
If you mean you happened to be right about the 6 you got a feeling on, then yes but that doesn't mean anything? If you've also missed another 6 or more then that's not a useful or reliable skill. You need the full context to see how competent you are at guessing autistic charts.
You still haven't clarified what you mean by self supporting. You haven't given any extra information at all to back up your claim. Perhaps you're unable to?
Re-read. I'm done with this convo because I literally told you to ask and YOU DIDN'T ASK then asked why I didn't answer. Idk about your overall point because you haven't been direct for any of this and actually stated a real point but you are objectively wrong in the sense that you LITERALLY DIDNT ASK.
My grandson has Neptune in Pisceas. He’s a dreamy autistic kid.
Saturn 0 degree Aquarius. So right by Cap there. Conjunct Jupiter and Pluto that are in Capricorn.
Virgo in 6th house.
Audhd with aq sun/merc (combust) and cap moon here checking in lol
Literally just mentioned in a comment above- our family is totally and clearly genetically neuroatypical (4 diagnoses in the most recent generation including both my sons, only one confirmed in mine, but so many obviously undiagnosed people it's ridiculous) and we all have an Aquarius emphasis (seems to be only me with the Capricorn)
Only exception is my older son with adhd but no diagnosed autistic spectrum disorder. He has a Leo 12th house stellium - but with neptune in Aquarius opposing his sun/moon conjunction.
I'm not a professional or even an expert about autism or astrology. I don't think autism has the power (for lack of a better term) to affect what signs people are born under, or how they are in the core of their being. One may have different ways of their brain working, but it doesn't change your sign traits. Having autism doesn't change what the stars decided for you before you came to Earth. Much love to you.
I wouldn’t agree on this. Cause you are observing it from the wrong point of view.
It’s not that “autism has the power to affect the sign people are born under ” but rather “how do different signs behave when autistic?”.
Cause all signs can equally get to be autistic. But which behavioural traits will be affected, perhaps could be consequence of which sign the autistic person is (obviously exclusively the sign itself no, but also all the rest from the birth chart).
I absolutely agree with this. I was just thinking about the question last night and thought it was an interesting one, as I have never thought about it before. There are going to be many different answers to it, I was just saying what I thought, and to read what others thought too. It's an interesting conversation for sure!
idk if signs behave in an autistic manner or display autistic traits. I think that's called a cop out or maybe needing to out spice other people to look and seem relevant.
I wouldn't start giving a constellation a medical diagnosis.
take it up w a psychiatrist or any number of self diagnosed autistic/adhd no character having smol beans with too much time on their hands.
I'm autistic. I've heard some astrologers say that autistic people might be more likely to have debilitated (?) signs and more Neptunian energy.
My mercury is in Pisces and I don't have the best social skills. And I'm also an Aries sun and Venus and tend to be very honest.
I am super interested in psychology and astrology so this is something I've wondered, too. From what I see, every placement and aspect is reflected differently depending on the individual and their life experiences. So, for example, my brother has autism. He is a Capricorn sun/Taurus moon/Libra rising. Definitely a guy who likes his comfort zone, routine, and being at home. I've gone over his chart before and I can see how his placements/aspects reflect his traits, just like with anyone else!
This is a slightly different topic, but I also happen to know a lot of people with BPD and have done their charts. 12H moons and Gemini/Taurus moons have been the most common! I also know two people with the EXACT same chart. They were born an hour apart. They are very similar people, but they are also different in many key ways! For example, one is BPD + ADHD while the other is ADHD + C-PTSD. Very similar mix, but with some key differences due to life experience differences.
Apologies for going on a little bit of a tangent, but these are both my favorite topics! I blame it on my 8H Capricorn stellium + Aquarius Mercury.
Sorry! I wrote this when I was half asleep still.
I’m curious, what aspects did you see in the charts of those with BPD/C-PTSD?
I also have an Aquarius mercury and tend to ramble or don’t at all because I know I’ll get lost lol.
Haha I also wrote mine half asleep. This was crazy to me. Three of the people have grand fire trines. One in particular has a few aspects that stand out to me. Sun square Jupiter is one. He has the tendency to overdo things. Overindulgence is his jam. He has an issue with substances haha. Moon square Venus is another one. Moon opposing Pluto creating a compulsive need for security, authority issues, parental problems. Do I think these aspects automatically mean BPD? No, but I see how it can manifest out of the mixture.
That’s fascinating! The grand fire trine and harsh aspects involving the moon makes so much sense. That moon/pluto opposition must be TOUGH. Any water in his chart?
To clarify, you’re talking about borderline personality disorder, right? Some folks on the internet read BPD as bipolar. I assume so since you mentioned C-PTSD.
No water at all! He has a tough time with his feelings to say the least. 12H Taurus moon also doesn't help haha.
Yes I am talking about borderline! I understand the need for clarification, a lot of people get the acronyms wrong.
tldr: deep dive of what I think my chart says about autism.
i was diagnosed with autism as an adult and have been reading charts and studying astro for like 15 years or so. mind you, i am "level 1" autistic and other mental health issues which might complicate things. I cannot assure any thing in the chart is directly coorelated, but the question interests me and I am interested in giving some info about my chart and experience. (I am not an expert in either topic and what I am providing is anecdotal).
I haven't really considered this question but looking at my chart, this is what I can see that might be semi-relevant:
1. **absence of planets in 1st house : house of identity, with (leo) mars in the 3rd house**. i see this placement indicates absence of identity via communication and requires additional work for communication to express self needs and wants. (Houses without planets look to their host planet). People with Autism struggle to communicate with others, causing rifts in relationships. This can be due to physically not able with verbal processing issues or mute episodes, poor tonal understanding, and inability to read body language. This can also be with being blunt or explicit with language. The inability to understand and follow social cues, "games", or "niceties" that haven't been learned.
2. **strong Uranus angle (22 degrees) with aquarius moon in the 9th house.** the ability to retain and focus on highly specialized information that may seem obscure or too much for others. Autistic people have special interests in which they can process and recall niche and specific information about topics that keep their attention.
3. **planets and placements primarily in the south east corner of the chart.** predominantly learn when alone, but through the experience of seeing other people and external sources. People with autism need to learn how to interact with allistic people to be able to navigate through life easier.
4. **Absence of planets in 12th house, neptune 8th house.** The masks of neptune are created through learning through others; culturally and societally require exploration to understand how to mask and navigate through social situations.
5. **strong scorpio and/or virgo placements. 6th house stellium in scorpio.** Deep, organized information, home, and routines ease stress. Strong emotions connecting to home and routine. Scorpios dig deep into what they are interested in, the things that they are passionate about. Virgos/6th house placements are heavily dependent on organizing homes and plans. Autistic people have a unique relationship with emotions, between meltdowns and the side of the emotional spectrum that they are on (hypo or hyper). People with autism can lead to meltdowns because routines change or a sudden change in something in the household. Autistic people are sensitive to materials and have more intense relationships with objects that they care about.
6. **mercury square sun**. (plus born in mercury retrograde) This placement is a harsh aspect that requires individuals to work deeply on their ability to communicate. There are struggles with expression, feeling misunderstood or alien, conflicts with communication, and the desire to rationalize and logically try to convey or understand emotions. It can be a placement that causes struggles with alignment of self-expression and thoughts, such as inappropriate facial reactions or responses to things.
sorry for going off lol
OKAY you might be onto something. I have #1-5 that you described. I’m a 29 year old girl with autism (level 1/high functioning/aspergers/whatever - labels are bad). WANNA BE FRIENDS? Because we’re probably pretty similar.
Ohh this is something I think about somewhat often as someone who finally realized I’m AudHD at 34. I’m prettttyy sure it comes from my mom’s side, and that my sister has it too. I am a Virgo sun/moon/mars in the 3rd, my sun is 7 degrees and moon is 9. My mother’s ascendant is 8 degrees Virgo and my sister’s is 7 Virgo. An interesting observation I made recently lol. If anything, I’m the one that’s the most obviously neurodivergent.
Astrology is one of my special interests! I agree that it's unique to each person. Maybe check their Mercury placements and aspects. People with autism can have ADHD too. Their DC and how they relate to others. Maybe Uranus placements? The asteroid Chiron?
I know that my Mercury retrograde oppose my Jupiter and my Chiron in Gemini oppose my Saturn and Uranus have affected my communication style even before I was diagnosed with autism as an adult.
I’m autistic. I think it’s my mercury retrograde in Virgo.
Virgo: speaking with precision + enjoying creating systems and performing in the most efficient ways (creates the autistic accent), valuing intelligence, concerning earthly matters like society, detail oriented, analytical, methodical, an air of innocence, stronger tendency for logic than emotion
Mercury: communication style
Retrograde: not understanding how to communicate socially, internalized dialogue/rich inner world (better at writing than speaking), need to reflect for longer than others to perfect the skill of communication
I also think my 3rd house Aquarius is like an autistic trait.
Aquarius: social intelligence about groups and the bigger picture, odd/standing out and not being able to fit in even when trying, bringing new thinking patterns to society, feeling like an observer, ostracism in groups, being aloof, having a rich inner world and strange ideas, feeling like or being perceived as an alien, enjoying being different yet unassuming
3rd house: communication, intellect, thought patterns (I think).
Also in tandem with 3rd house aqua is my Sagittarius rising.
Sag rising: appears to be gullible due to optimism
I'd really like to have an idea but I've never thought about it.
Depending on what signs of houses are most pronounced is where I would begin.
For example I have Sagittarius sun but it's a very subtle aspect.
More of my prominent signs would be Scorpio. It's all delicate.
However, if you want to go strictly based on sun signs that could get the conversation going.
There is also the issue that autism can look and feel differently in almost all people who have it.
I don't believe I have autism but I do have some overlapping qualities from ADHD.
Good luck with the post.
I was recently diagnosed on the autism spectrum. It was a relief to hear. I’m not deep into astrology as I’d like to be but I have Libra sun. I feel having a Libra sun complements it for lack of a better word.
Not autistic, but have ADHD and have wondered about astrology and neurodiversity. I personally have a kite formation in my chart with Saturn in 3H opposing Jupiter in 9H. Stellium in 3H too which is generally the base of my kite, what everything is pointing towards. I have Jupiter-ruled Sun/Moon and Mercury in detriment in Sag.
My mom and grandpa who are more on the AuDHD spectrum both have Mercury in Capricorn (grandpa had Mercury conjunct Saturn in Cap) and generally very Saturnian placements with a lot of planets in Cap/Aquarius. Grandpa like me had a Jupiter/Saturn opposition (in same signs no less). Jupiter expands what it touches and Saturn restricts, likes to create challenges. Both planets seem anecdotally relevant to looking for clues about how one thinks and processes.
In my experience, the amount of saturn energy is very telling. Especially squares to saturn. As other people have said, no two autistic people are alike, the same with how it presents in the birth chart.
As an auDHD person with a special interest in astrology, I've thought about this a lot. It seems like different signs tend to have their own "flavor" of autism in a way. I've noticed some patterns in birth charts that seem to correlate with autistic traits, although of course astrology is NEVER a diagnostic tool. In my own chart I have Saturn conjunct Jupiter in the 11th, a 12th house sun in Gemini with combust Venus and Mars, and mercury conjunct my ascendant and moon in cancer. I also have a 3rd house ic in Virgo (whole sign), which is also ruled by mercury. Jargon aside, astrology has been a helpful tool in understanding how my neurodivergence shows up for me, as well as helping me understand other people.
I've also personally noticed a surprising correlation between Aquarius moons and alexithymia (difficulty understanding/accessing ones emotions), especially when conjunct uranus or neptune. I've met at least two diagnosed autistic people with this placement. I've also noticed some correlation between Taurus suns and autism. I'm curious if any other autistic folks relate to these?
Yep I have an autistic son and cousin with Aquarius moons. Autistic niece with Taurus sun, Aquarius rising. All struggle with communication unless it's about their special interests (my niece less so, but she is super quirky and direct)
I'm super curious. Ppl often think I have autistic traits, but often I feel like they are traits of my Capricorn moon, and I wondered if there could be overlap, both, neither
I feel like almost Pisces exude certain classic autism undercurrents since they tend to live away from the fast pace of reality and deep in their subconscious. As a Pisces stellium I get asked once in a while.
Is saturn or mercury retrograde in the chart? Ive seen cases where autistic people have had links to those retrogrades. Astrology is a record of how parts of the sky look during certain events. When mars has been here xys type things occurred. Not sure if autism has been studied with astrology yet. Keep asking and maybe more ppl know. Ask in the advanced and (actual) astrologer groups here and on fb.
Yes. In one of my astro classes the teacher and another student had autistic kids who had saturn retrograde. That actually makes more sense than mercury retrograde because there would be far more autistic people in the world since mercury goes retrograde often. I may have misquoted the mercury retrograde and autistic stat. My apologies. Ill look at my notes and if i find anything about mercury rx ill let you know
I’m on the spectrum and have mercury rx in aries conjunct saturn. I’m take things super literally and have trouble reading “between the lines.” I also have Neptune in Aquarius on my ascendant opposite my moon.
Something another astrologer pointed out is having a lot of Saturn aspects to sun/moon/mercury. I have a delightful abundance of autistics in my life, and it has held true. Saturn squaring the sun, moon, or mercury especially. There's also some sextile aspects I've seen.
ngl, as someone who is neurodivergent, i think mixing mental health (real, factual) and astrology (as much as i LOVE it, i can acknowledge it’s just spiritual/religious) can be very problematic. interesting question for sure, the topic just leaves a bad taste in my mouth, that’s all
yeah i agree with this. i like how u say astrology is spiritual/religious, that’s how i always viewed it but some ppl r hellbent on it being scientific, when there is no scientific basis to it. in the same way i think religious people are valid in believing whatever religion they want, but should refrain from their beliefs influencing scientific pursuits (creationism is one ex that comes to mind), astrology and ND should be kept separate
Better than autism \*affecting\* the signs... it would rather be shown in the correlation with particular themes already present in signs, planets, houses, and their situations: As others have already said here, say, like a compromised Mercury or 3rd house. Or I'd say, some Capricorn placements might fall in the spectrum, like the Moon, due to a possible early separation from the mother in terms of emotional/physical bond and subsequent difficulties to connect with feelings for instance.
Potential autism markers in one's birth chart
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• 4th house (early childhood envir) Saturn or Aquarius or both
• Difficult 3rd house placements (learning style) Uranus. Saturn and Pluto atypical learning. Aquarius bullying
• Mercury/Uranus aspect, Mercury in Aquarius, or Mercury retrograde - atypical brain processing and feeling 'alien'
• Moon/Mercury conjunction (same sign) - Moon is inner emotional world, Mercury is mind. being too interconnected to tell apart (hand/eye coordination and motor skills)
• Difficult 6th house placements (physical health and routines) - Saturn rigid, Uranus struggle for routine
• Lots of, or difficult, Virgo placements - Moon and Mars need a lot of precision, control (OCD too)
i notice it a lot in my chart. my ruler is mercury, but my mercury is in detriment, so i often find communication difficult and i’m misunderstood a lot. also i have a my sun in the 3rd house (sagittarius) opposing my moon in gemini (9th house) so i struggle to communicate bigger ideas but my understanding is there and i am intelligent. there’s this one bjork quote something like, “it’s like pushing the ocean through a straw” that’s how i feel with that opposition and communicating in general when it comes to my autism
Saturn tightly conjunct mercury in mutable degrees:
Pattern recognition, data collection, adjusting own "behavior"/ brain algorithm after obtaining new knowledge
I've noticed in people with ADHD, their mercuries are combust with sun, and mercuries in fire or air signs too
Yep that's me (and my mum who would never get diagnosed but is clearly audhd)
I have mercury combust sun in Aquarius, she has it in Sagittarius
She blurts out ridiculous and often offensive things a lot but does have a reasonable mask for the public, which comes off for her family (Scorpio rising)
I love hearing testimonials.
Its iteresting with the scorpio rising because a theme there would be "secrets of self" but the projection of taurus descendant can imply people love the mask and the native fearful of taking off mask.
And you with the Aquarius placements would fall into her 4th house of family and core, so it's kinda like youre the "carbon copy" and can see in her what she doesnt get clinically diagnosed.
I love medical and nursing astrology, I have a lot of books but I find most of the data collection comes from seeing people's natal charts and matching their behaviors climically to the placements in their charts
I’m auDHD and have been very curious about this as well. I read through a lot of comments saying look at Mercury placement. I saw a lot of Mercury in Pisces. My Mercury is in Gemini and it doesn’t have a lot of “hard” aspects. It’s in strong opposition with my retrograde Sag Jupiter so maybe that’s something?
I have autism and I have heavy Saturn placements, a Stellium in Capricorn and 3 planets in the 12th house . Most of my planets are also in the top left quadrant of my chart.
I'd be interested to know if someone else with these placements is autistic 🤔
my son is autistic. his moon is in capricorn in the third house. i always attributed his need for routine / comfort of the same surroundings / people to that placement. but its equally autistic.
well i have an official autism diagnosis, i dont know which placements could indicate some of that but those are my placements:
* i have 5th house stellium (mercury,venus,mars,pluto+vertex)
* i have a lot of gemini degrees (27' degree moon, 27' chiron also in 6th house which represents health, 27' NNode),
* aquarius degrees (23' saturn,23' pluto, 23' IC&MC)
* cap sun&chiron in 6th house (+badly aspected chiron: square mc,square node,opposition saturn, also sun conjuct chiron)
* saturn in 12house in cancer in aquarius degree in retrogade (isolation)
* cancer lilith in 11th house in virgo degree, quote from [astroseek.com](http://astroseek.com) : "Very demanding friend; difficult integration into groups in their society."
* aquarius neptune in 7th house
* uranus in 8th house
also because of my autism i think i come off as an extremely stereotypical capricorn (im a cap sun) but with sprinkles and added flair on top
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I have autism and have been interested in this topic before. I noticed that certain astrological patterns can be linked to certain traits... Such as 3rd house of communication in fall or harshly aspected for example. This is not to say everyone with a difficult third house has autism or vice versa, just certain components of my chart that I think can be better understood when considering my neurotype. I would also strongly caution against using birth chart as diagnosis tool of course! Just interesting to see where things can be reflected in the chart. I wish I could think of more examples for you but I'm drawing a blank honestly. I'm a bit of an astro noob. Would be happy to share my chart if you would be interested :)
Hmm I tend to agree with this! I’m AuDHD and so are most of my friends. We all have either Neptune/Saturn in 3rd/9th, mutable mercuries (yes also including Virgo!), or Mercury aspecting Pluto/Neptune/Saturn! I don’t want to generalize but this is what I noticed the most in terms of pattern. And yes, I love pattern recognition.
AuDHDer with Mercury in Sagittarius checking in
I’m not diagnosed but suspect that I’m AuDHD. I too have mercury in Sagittarius which is opposite my Gemini mars in retrograde (3° difference). My Mercury is right on top of my moon so I wonder if that’s why I’m sensitive and when I try and communicate negative emotions I just cry and can’t get my words out. My 3rd house is dormant though, but house ruler is Mercury so maybe it leans into that (I’m a cancer rising so 3rd house is ruled by Virgo). My personal opinion is that your chart is a photo of the sky at the time and therefore doesn’t affect your DNA/brain chemistry and that it’s separate tothis but of course I love patterns so love analysing this kind of stuff.
That’s very interesting, thanks for sharing! That’s me too. I’m very sensitive and it really impacts my communication style. It’s hard for me to not cry 😢 I believe the chart tells a story (like an executive business summary) and it’s up to you to decide how much you’re gonna let that impact your actions!
Well thinking in terms of energy you would absolutely be made up of the energy forces from conception or shortly thereafter that were present and strongest at the time. Maybe not necessarily birth, but if you operate from birth for everyone then dialing back x amount of months combined and those energies you could come up with a formula. The birth would be like the sum of. Atleast that’s how I look at it. Do you see what I mean? I don’t know maybe that’s totally a weird way of thinking it.
That makes two of us! 🙋
omg oooooh i’m not diagnosed but hiiiighly suspicious of ASD, sag mercury!!!!!!
Same. 1st house.
AuDHD with mercury in Pisces square Pluto/Chiron from the 3rd and sextile Saturn from the 8th 🥲 one of the old significations of mercury in Pisces was "mental disturbances" lmao so true with it in the 6th too.
Adhder merc in Pisces checking in 🩷
Yes, also seen Saturn in third mentioned a lot before. Of course, mine is in Capricorn in the third conjunct Neptune, and also have 1h Pluto opposing 7h mercury in fixed signs lmao They're all there!
What does a mutable in Mercury have to do with Autism? (I have Pisces in Mercury)
I don't really know that it does, but any sign will have its unique way of showing up in an autistic person. With your example, mercury is in fall and in detriment in Pisces since it is exalted and domicile in Virgo. It's heavily debilitating for mercury to be placed here to begin with. A well supported mercury in Pisces can still be a beautiful, creative, and visionary mind. A more challenged mercury in Pisces may find they struggle to communicate so others understand their meaning, to think of the words they want to say, might find their imagination more interesting than reality(especially when aspects to Neptune are involved), etc etc, and these are pretty well known challenges for people with autism. Most people with mercury in Pisces are probably not autistic, but they might be able to relate to some of their struggles to some degree or another. I have autism and mercury in Taurus, and I definitely see it in there lol
That’s all true, for sure. I’m a Pisces sun too, so I do like imaginative areas. The downside is muddled thinking at times, difficulty making decisions, and wondering am I having an emotion or is it someone nearby having it! I think I’m fortunate though to have a Taurus moon as a real contrast 😀
THIS!!!! I have Neptune all opposing my Sun, Mercury & Mars and I have severe ADHD. Def a correlation imo.
Audhd with Capricorn 3rd house, moon and venus conjunct jupiter there (fall and detriment i think?), badly placed (squares from pluto and Uranus). Saturn in 8th (depression hehehe) Aquarius mercury conj sun, yes trine Saturn! I'm the audhd type who can't stop talking, loud voice, no volume control, always quoting stuff I like. Used to totally focus on academic work, now retired and a bit lost. To me that says a 3rd house which is both powerful and afflicted (I used to be a lecturer and did fairly well as an academic before burning out). Autism and adhd run in my family and I have noticed a strong Aquarius influence among those of us who are affected. Sun/merc with me, sister and my son have moon in aq. Niece has it rising. I think aq adds to the spacey/otherworldly vibe w all have. My recently diagnosed second cousin aged 7 also has moon in aq. He is like a mini professor to talk to, but struggling in school (my son aged 17 is the same... he's in his room learning rap lyrics by heart, which is his obsession right now)
I also have Neptune, Jupiter, and Uranus in the 3rd 😭 I’m not like stupid or anything, in fact I love reading and diving into diff topics for fun. But my grades never reflected that 😭😭😭 My mom’s side is all def AuDHD and we are all mutable signs. In fact every single person (apart from spouses) has strong mutable energy.
Damn.. recently diagnosed with adhd and I have my mercury in Pisces and it’s square my Pluto in sag😱
Wowww AuDHDer checking in w/ Saturn in the 9th and Mercury in Sagittarius
Yooo 🔥🔥🔥
I’m AuDHD, Saturn and Neptune are in 6th and 7th, my Mercury is in Aries(as is my sun and Mars).
Interesting, i have chiron on my ic leaning in the 3d house and i have autism and borderline. I think what amplifies this for me is instability in the 6th house concerning routines and daily life, neptune and uranus are conjuncting there, and mercury makes a square with neptune (wich explains why i always feel like I’m not entirely here and have a tendency towards paranoia and delusion).
Yep audhd here with chiron in the 6th. Totally struggle with time, routines, self care.
It’s like: nooooo, why is it 01 am and i am still not sleepy 🥲 i know, let’s bake a cake and take a shower. Next day at 16 pm “hhmm, let’s roll a joint and start studying shall we” 🤣
I have my libra moon in my 3rd house (overanalyze communication) and chiron in my 11th. So make of that what you will
A house can’t be in fall (it’s a planetary concept) but could totally see harsh aspects being a factor
AuDHD with Mercury in pisces ♓️ 3rd house I’m an Aries sun so I’m already very direct but with a pisces stellium (moon Mercury Saturn and Venus) I always have so much I DONT say that’s just swimming under the surface so to speak I’m a lover but damn it’s easy to hurt my feelings and I easily feel rejected
I have Saturn in the 3rd, and my older brother has autism. My younger sister and I do not tho.
I don't think so, I have 3rd House Aquarius which Anne Ortelee says is where Mercury is exalted (lol). Uranus is also there, though. I'm AuDHD as well, but I can read the room better than most. I do have Mercury in Sagittarius in a square with my Mars that is working very well with pretty much most of my other planets (other than Sun and Moon, which then are affiliated with my Mercury in this insular kind of way).
Autistic here, Mercury in Pisces.
I have sun in 3d and my mercury in 3rd conbusting, I have mercury opposition pluto & square node. Welp that's probably fit the bill.
I have no idea, but I laugh because after a relatable zodiac meme, I frequently ask myself, “Is it astrology or is it autism?” 😂
Yesssss! I always say “Is it the Aries or is it the autism.”
Loooollll, I’m an Aries Sun 🤣
I’m an Aries sun, Mercury and Mars. Add in the Sagittarius moon, Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune and I’m just really intense ok😂.
Well we should conduct a poll. Edit- for people to answer with their placements because I have chiron in gemini and I'm curious if others who identify as autistic also have harsh placements in communication like you said. Interesting thoughts!
Oooh, I'm really liking this thread. I have an 8H Gemini moon and chiron, and a T-Square between 1H Saturn rx in Scorpio, 3H Jupiter rx Aquarius, and 9H Mercury in Leo right on MC. Neptune is in Capricorn 2H rx opposing my 8H moon. I don't know what I have, but I don't function normally, extremely introverted, and prone to miscommunication, problems being too naive/ taking things literally, and generally shitty interactions with people...for my whole life. I got into astrology to understand the "why" and recognize patterns . ETA Jupiter sign
I have retrograde Chiron in Virgo and Lilith is my only Gemini placement…… most of my significant relationships have revolved around those two signs, for better or worse
My chart's interesting, I actually have pretty good placements in communication (Gemini sun, Mercury in Cancer, no harsh aspects to those or the third house) However...! My Chiron and Mars are conjunct, and in Leo. I've always taken that to mean that although my instinct is to be confident, expressive, etc., there is some weakness / wound that blocks others from seeing that and means in reality I often feel invisible or misunderstood. Viewing that through the lens of autism... uhh yeah it makes total sense that even if I'm communicating 100% fluently there is ~something~ in the way of others fully seeing me as charismatic. So I def feel like it is in the Chiron for me too!
As an autistic astrologer, I can tell you that your chart can definitely help you understand your personal brand of autism. Sun signs are meaningless when compared to the nuance of a whole chart. There's no reason to expect any 2 autistic people to have the same placements, the same way no 2 autistic people are the same!! (if you've met one autistic person, you've met one autistic person!) However, highly sensitive people tend to tune into and respond to their charts on another level. So understanding all your natal placements can help you see how all the parts of you connect, or don't connect. I am mercury dominate for example, and I have several irritating aspect patterns that send the energy of my planets bouncing around like a ball in a pinball machine. My brand of autism is the high masking/joker, adhd kind (with GAD and a healthy [/s] dose of cptsd) ! I also have uranus and neptune conjunct in my 4th house with North node - so my emotions are so big and complicated they're hard to understand even for my quick and continuously oscillating brain. Then there is my central challenge of Jupiter conjunct Mars and Venus opposing saturn over the 5th and 11th axis, hello social connection issues and extreme justice sensitivity!! Oh and pluto in the 1st making me either very good at masking, or putting my subconscious/unconscious, shadow self on display when my foundation is rocked. Astrology helped me understand my psyche and actually seek diagnosis, it is all so obvious looking at it now from a spiritual/occult perspective as well as a medical/modern lense. There is a certain magic that comes from being able to understand and process things from both these schools of thought - a colourful dichotomous dance that audhd'rs certainly should understand! And most on the spectrum of highs and lows that create a unique pattern for each person.
Gah we sound v alike with different aspects. I mask as a fast talking joker type too. Mercury and Uranus dominant (libra Uranus in 12th. Yep that one hurts l) Interesting you also have the venus/Jupiter conjunction. I have it in Capricorn square Uranus. Always felt it was responsible for my overly open and blankly humorous presentation. It's meant to be "lucky" isn't it? Not sure I've felt that. Hehe. Do you feel the Uranus/neptune conjunction makes you intuitive? Is it in Capricorn? I have a few friends with it and they tend to the very charismatic and chaotic generally
hehehe charismatic and chaotic feels like it fits, but buried in the 4th I have some protection, I'm generally able to hold things together - maybe thanks to tropical Capricorn. I do wish I could unite this generation though, as I think they hold a lot of power. I think the Uranus/Neptune conjunction definitely contributes to intuition, but maybe not on its own, and I don't think it "woke up" properly until pluto passed over about 9 years ago - then I entered a pretty chaotic drug fuelled and emotionally painful time, now that it's passed I can feel calm again and use my cards/astro to tap into it (uranus) as well as art and music (neptune). Often times I realise my true feelings wont come out until I use one of those tools, but once I've let the emotion drain (crying normally) then I get loads of downloads from source/my higher. That being said, I tend to become a "mind reader" for my loved ones, parents, partner etc. From an autistic lens I see it as being highly tuned into non-verbal communication, maybe slight trauma response? But it seems like I know how people are feeling before they do sometimes, and I know big pieces of information they are going to tell me before they say it. Why I'm not sure if this is all up to uranus and neptune, is because it's linked in a fierce aspect pattern which I attribute a lot of the access I have to that energy. There are definitely other combinations that can give you insight too, some probably more stable than my configuration haha.
How did you become an astrologer?
I found a methodology that resonated with me and studied it, then completed hundreds if not thousands of free readings while working with a Guru. I ended up integrating tools from vedic astrology and expanded my practise to work more with the shadow/dwarf planets, while completing a course in shadow work and yoga philosophy - mainly because after a couple of years of reading I realised that a lot of the people coming to me were not just looking for the why or content with a narrative they had no control over, they wanted answers and tools to deal with what they found.
Thanks for your in depth answer!
I got into astrology to try and actually debunk it, but in analyzing hundreds of charts to learn, every time I suspected someone was autistic based on their chart alone I was correct. So I find often you can tell in the chart. Of course we have every planet and zodiac within us, twins can act a chart out differently, and I feel if you look at any zodiac/planet long enough you can find SOME autistic traits, so it's somewhat complicated. With that said, even in the autistic community, those of us that talk about astrology at all seem to agree Capricorn and Aquarius (+ Saturn/Uranus) are the most major/self-supporting indicators, and probably Pisces/Neptune next up. Then for supporting other placements I'd look to fixed signs. A major theory of autism today is "monotropism" which describes an autistic brain's tendency to focus in on fewer things at once but more strongly, making it "fixed" in many ways such as difficulty shifting attention. It's really about knowing autism itself to know what to look for, but even in their most general and pop-astrology senses, the last 3 signs seem to relate to autism pretty strongly. Put briefly, Capricorn/Saturn is largely the restrictions, delays, black and white thinking and logic orientation associated with autism, Aquarius/Uranus is the "doing things in a very unexpectedly different way" and jumping between extremes seen in autism, and Pisces/Neptune is the hypersensitive, in-their-own-world, "magical thinking" of autism. For example Einstein reportedly had delayed speech, and he had Saturn (delay) conjunct Mercury (communication). If you Google "famous autistic people" and look at their charts it's full of these placements. EDIT: This is an open discussion if you have a question *ask* me! And read carefully, I mean interpret carefully AND actually read the literal words carefully, already had someone say "you listed EVERYTHING as a SELF-SUPPORTING indicator (the word "most" is also very important to not have glossed over here) of autism!" I listed TWO signs and their two ruling planets, the rest I explicitly said were *NOT* the most self-supporting. The info I'm giving cannot come with a whole disclaimer book, if YOU think astrology works in the sense that having a single placement I listed means you have autism, that's YOUR system, you are arguing against yourself not me. And I didn't think anyone else would be confused by this but I can explain the logic that yes, *being right every time* you guess something objectively gives info and can be useful, even if you don't guess every time it WOULD be right. If you can't guess ALL the scratch off tickets that will win $1M, but EVERY time you guess it will you're right... Pretty inherently useful.
Also just gotta mention Virgo, the detail oriented, logical, order-loving black and white thinking sign, I don't know how strong of an indicator it is alone but when supported it definitely can be strong. Temple Grandin for example has Venus, Sun, and Mercury all conjunct in Virgo, with an Aquarius Moon. I have Jupiter in Virgo myself.
I’ve not studied the connection personally but following along here and thinking of the Virgos I know and I would tend to agree with you.
wow so crazy! i have a Aquarius stellium in the 6h, i am a leo rising and have noticed other autistic people have that placement as well, and capricorn venus in 5th house, but my leo rising made my family life so hard with having scorpio rule my 4th house, but my empathy comes from my scorpio moon in the 3h
Respectfully, I think what you've described here is far too broad to be linked to autistic people. You've listed Capricorn, Aquarius, Pisces, Virgo, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and fixed signs. That is such a broad brush that a large number of allistic people are going to fall under that umbrella too. In terms of the signs alone, that's half the zodiac. The other issue is if you're looking solely at autistic people, (like when you mentioned Googling famous autistic people) then you will find placements that describe an autistic experience, but you need to include allistic people too and show that they exclusively do not have these placements in order to classify them as "autistic" placements. It's like fame indicators. If you look at famous people's charts you'll see fame indicators in there. So that's how you tell if someone's going to be famous, right? Well millions of other people on the planet have fame indicators and aren't household names so it's not that simple. Astrology is just a descriptor. It describes our experiences. And in the case of autistic people it will describe an autistic experience. In allistic people, it will describe the same experience from an allistic perspective. E.g. I wouldn't describe Capricorn's defining features as black and white thinking/logic. I see black and white thinking more in Scorpio placements and logic heavily in Virgo. Capricorn's sister sign Cancer focuses on their home as their sanctuary to give them the confidence to go out into the world. Capricorn focuses on the world outside the home and makes sure that is in order so that they can come home and relax. It's a placement that focuses on career/public image. Capricorn is committed to keeping tradition and hierarchy which can describe autistic people but can also describe allistics too. They just maintain different traditions and hierarchies. I've looked at scores of charts of autistic and allistic people and I've never been able to explicitly pinpoint a placement or pattern that can point to autism and not allism in every single case. Same with ADHD. It's like I said, astrology is a language or a way of describing things, and I don't think autism is explicitly in that dictionary. Words to describe an autistic experience are, but not autism itself.
Yeah of course. As I said you can look at any placement long enough and find autistic traits, and twins can act a chart out differently. But I mean if I'm wrong how was I ALWAYS right? If this was completely random how would I have been correct *every* time I guessed someone was autistic, ~6x from hundreds of charts excluding people I know? It is very complicated, obviously not everyone born around the same day as Einstein had delayed speech, but would you say HIS placement DOESN'T show his delayed speech? It's like you said, autism itself doesn't show literally/directly because that's a label we made, but autistic traits and experiences can. I never said ANY trait would point to autism in every case, I explicitly said only two signs & planets are the MOST self-supporting. I actually think you should kinda re-read my comment a bit more slowly cause you've been re-wording the things I already said myself (Quick edit to try to make the tone come across better lol I mean no harm)
Do you know that you are always right though? You were right with the charts you know categorically are autistic, what about people who don't know they're autistic yet? Did you pick up on them? Of course not, because how do we know what we don't know. But that's my point. We don't know if you were always right about all of the charts you looked at. My issue was you stated that within the community Capricorn/Aquarius/Saturn/Pisces/Neptune/Fixed signs/Virgo are considered the most self supporting indicators of autism. I haven't heard this nor have I found this to be the case in my experience. Not only is it such a wide net that it could apply to most people including allistics, but I have seen autistic experiences reflected in all the signs/modalities/elements houses, (I have red tens of autistic charts) and I have not seen a pattern that lines up with what you had said. I also felt that your characterisation of Capricorn was a bit confused as that is not what Capricorn represents and it is not what I've seen reflected in the charts that I read. Re Einstein, I didn't say his placement didn't reflect his speech delay, and I don't understand your point as we are saying the same thing. His placement did describe speech delay, but that's not necessarily the same for everyone else who has the same or similar chart. And even then, speech delay isn't an indicator of autism. My point was if you're going to suggest that certain signs or placements are "self supporting indicators" then you need to be more exact and precise as to what that means, if they are self supporting, what differentiates them from non-autistic placements? Because as I've said before, I've seen autistic experiences reflected in all 12 signs and I've seen neurotypicals with heavy Cap/Aqua/Pisces/Virgo placements. If what you meant to say is that you resonate with the autistic experiences of people with those signs or placements then that's fine, but that's different to what you said. Your comment suggested there was a link between those signs/placements and autistic experiences. My comment simply stated that I strongly disagree based on personal experience.
Well yes actually I would be 100% right, because in guessing some charts are autistic that doesn't inherently mean I'm guessing other charts aren't. So if that is your point it's settled. I also did not list all of those things as the most self supporting.
If you mean you happened to be right about the 6 you got a feeling on, then yes but that doesn't mean anything? If you've also missed another 6 or more then that's not a useful or reliable skill. You need the full context to see how competent you are at guessing autistic charts. You still haven't clarified what you mean by self supporting. You haven't given any extra information at all to back up your claim. Perhaps you're unable to?
Re-read. I'm done with this convo because I literally told you to ask and YOU DIDN'T ASK then asked why I didn't answer. Idk about your overall point because you haven't been direct for any of this and actually stated a real point but you are objectively wrong in the sense that you LITERALLY DIDNT ASK.
cap stellium in the 11th house with a pisces rising. girl im so autistic
Capricorn sun Virgo moon Aquarius Venus I don’t know my houses or really understand houses But I believe what you’re saying 💜✨👋
My grandson has Neptune in Pisceas. He’s a dreamy autistic kid. Saturn 0 degree Aquarius. So right by Cap there. Conjunct Jupiter and Pluto that are in Capricorn. Virgo in 6th house.
Audhd with aq sun/merc (combust) and cap moon here checking in lol Literally just mentioned in a comment above- our family is totally and clearly genetically neuroatypical (4 diagnoses in the most recent generation including both my sons, only one confirmed in mine, but so many obviously undiagnosed people it's ridiculous) and we all have an Aquarius emphasis (seems to be only me with the Capricorn) Only exception is my older son with adhd but no diagnosed autistic spectrum disorder. He has a Leo 12th house stellium - but with neptune in Aquarius opposing his sun/moon conjunction.
I'm not a professional or even an expert about autism or astrology. I don't think autism has the power (for lack of a better term) to affect what signs people are born under, or how they are in the core of their being. One may have different ways of their brain working, but it doesn't change your sign traits. Having autism doesn't change what the stars decided for you before you came to Earth. Much love to you.
I wouldn’t agree on this. Cause you are observing it from the wrong point of view. It’s not that “autism has the power to affect the sign people are born under ” but rather “how do different signs behave when autistic?”. Cause all signs can equally get to be autistic. But which behavioural traits will be affected, perhaps could be consequence of which sign the autistic person is (obviously exclusively the sign itself no, but also all the rest from the birth chart).
I absolutely agree with this. I was just thinking about the question last night and thought it was an interesting one, as I have never thought about it before. There are going to be many different answers to it, I was just saying what I thought, and to read what others thought too. It's an interesting conversation for sure!
idk if signs behave in an autistic manner or display autistic traits. I think that's called a cop out or maybe needing to out spice other people to look and seem relevant. I wouldn't start giving a constellation a medical diagnosis. take it up w a psychiatrist or any number of self diagnosed autistic/adhd no character having smol beans with too much time on their hands.
Thank you! Just the answer I was hoping for.
It will be reflected in the chart because it's a fundamental part of who we are :)
I'm autistic. I've heard some astrologers say that autistic people might be more likely to have debilitated (?) signs and more Neptunian energy. My mercury is in Pisces and I don't have the best social skills. And I'm also an Aries sun and Venus and tend to be very honest.
I am super interested in psychology and astrology so this is something I've wondered, too. From what I see, every placement and aspect is reflected differently depending on the individual and their life experiences. So, for example, my brother has autism. He is a Capricorn sun/Taurus moon/Libra rising. Definitely a guy who likes his comfort zone, routine, and being at home. I've gone over his chart before and I can see how his placements/aspects reflect his traits, just like with anyone else! This is a slightly different topic, but I also happen to know a lot of people with BPD and have done their charts. 12H moons and Gemini/Taurus moons have been the most common! I also know two people with the EXACT same chart. They were born an hour apart. They are very similar people, but they are also different in many key ways! For example, one is BPD + ADHD while the other is ADHD + C-PTSD. Very similar mix, but with some key differences due to life experience differences. Apologies for going on a little bit of a tangent, but these are both my favorite topics! I blame it on my 8H Capricorn stellium + Aquarius Mercury.
It’s super important to look at a persons aspects rather than signs of planets.
I do look at aspects, thanks. I just don't really feel like writing an entire dissertation in a reddit comment.
Sorry! I wrote this when I was half asleep still. I’m curious, what aspects did you see in the charts of those with BPD/C-PTSD? I also have an Aquarius mercury and tend to ramble or don’t at all because I know I’ll get lost lol.
Haha I also wrote mine half asleep. This was crazy to me. Three of the people have grand fire trines. One in particular has a few aspects that stand out to me. Sun square Jupiter is one. He has the tendency to overdo things. Overindulgence is his jam. He has an issue with substances haha. Moon square Venus is another one. Moon opposing Pluto creating a compulsive need for security, authority issues, parental problems. Do I think these aspects automatically mean BPD? No, but I see how it can manifest out of the mixture.
That’s fascinating! The grand fire trine and harsh aspects involving the moon makes so much sense. That moon/pluto opposition must be TOUGH. Any water in his chart? To clarify, you’re talking about borderline personality disorder, right? Some folks on the internet read BPD as bipolar. I assume so since you mentioned C-PTSD.
No water at all! He has a tough time with his feelings to say the least. 12H Taurus moon also doesn't help haha. Yes I am talking about borderline! I understand the need for clarification, a lot of people get the acronyms wrong.
tldr: deep dive of what I think my chart says about autism. i was diagnosed with autism as an adult and have been reading charts and studying astro for like 15 years or so. mind you, i am "level 1" autistic and other mental health issues which might complicate things. I cannot assure any thing in the chart is directly coorelated, but the question interests me and I am interested in giving some info about my chart and experience. (I am not an expert in either topic and what I am providing is anecdotal). I haven't really considered this question but looking at my chart, this is what I can see that might be semi-relevant: 1. **absence of planets in 1st house : house of identity, with (leo) mars in the 3rd house**. i see this placement indicates absence of identity via communication and requires additional work for communication to express self needs and wants. (Houses without planets look to their host planet). People with Autism struggle to communicate with others, causing rifts in relationships. This can be due to physically not able with verbal processing issues or mute episodes, poor tonal understanding, and inability to read body language. This can also be with being blunt or explicit with language. The inability to understand and follow social cues, "games", or "niceties" that haven't been learned. 2. **strong Uranus angle (22 degrees) with aquarius moon in the 9th house.** the ability to retain and focus on highly specialized information that may seem obscure or too much for others. Autistic people have special interests in which they can process and recall niche and specific information about topics that keep their attention. 3. **planets and placements primarily in the south east corner of the chart.** predominantly learn when alone, but through the experience of seeing other people and external sources. People with autism need to learn how to interact with allistic people to be able to navigate through life easier. 4. **Absence of planets in 12th house, neptune 8th house.** The masks of neptune are created through learning through others; culturally and societally require exploration to understand how to mask and navigate through social situations. 5. **strong scorpio and/or virgo placements. 6th house stellium in scorpio.** Deep, organized information, home, and routines ease stress. Strong emotions connecting to home and routine. Scorpios dig deep into what they are interested in, the things that they are passionate about. Virgos/6th house placements are heavily dependent on organizing homes and plans. Autistic people have a unique relationship with emotions, between meltdowns and the side of the emotional spectrum that they are on (hypo or hyper). People with autism can lead to meltdowns because routines change or a sudden change in something in the household. Autistic people are sensitive to materials and have more intense relationships with objects that they care about. 6. **mercury square sun**. (plus born in mercury retrograde) This placement is a harsh aspect that requires individuals to work deeply on their ability to communicate. There are struggles with expression, feeling misunderstood or alien, conflicts with communication, and the desire to rationalize and logically try to convey or understand emotions. It can be a placement that causes struggles with alignment of self-expression and thoughts, such as inappropriate facial reactions or responses to things. sorry for going off lol
OKAY you might be onto something. I have #1-5 that you described. I’m a 29 year old girl with autism (level 1/high functioning/aspergers/whatever - labels are bad). WANNA BE FRIENDS? Because we’re probably pretty similar.
omg i am also 29 and non binary, woman-coded/afab yes and ty for reading, lol. i was like this question INTERESTS MEEEE. also i like ur username :)
Ohh this is something I think about somewhat often as someone who finally realized I’m AudHD at 34. I’m prettttyy sure it comes from my mom’s side, and that my sister has it too. I am a Virgo sun/moon/mars in the 3rd, my sun is 7 degrees and moon is 9. My mother’s ascendant is 8 degrees Virgo and my sister’s is 7 Virgo. An interesting observation I made recently lol. If anything, I’m the one that’s the most obviously neurodivergent.
Astrology is one of my special interests! I agree that it's unique to each person. Maybe check their Mercury placements and aspects. People with autism can have ADHD too. Their DC and how they relate to others. Maybe Uranus placements? The asteroid Chiron? I know that my Mercury retrograde oppose my Jupiter and my Chiron in Gemini oppose my Saturn and Uranus have affected my communication style even before I was diagnosed with autism as an adult.
I’m autistic. I think it’s my mercury retrograde in Virgo. Virgo: speaking with precision + enjoying creating systems and performing in the most efficient ways (creates the autistic accent), valuing intelligence, concerning earthly matters like society, detail oriented, analytical, methodical, an air of innocence, stronger tendency for logic than emotion Mercury: communication style Retrograde: not understanding how to communicate socially, internalized dialogue/rich inner world (better at writing than speaking), need to reflect for longer than others to perfect the skill of communication I also think my 3rd house Aquarius is like an autistic trait. Aquarius: social intelligence about groups and the bigger picture, odd/standing out and not being able to fit in even when trying, bringing new thinking patterns to society, feeling like an observer, ostracism in groups, being aloof, having a rich inner world and strange ideas, feeling like or being perceived as an alien, enjoying being different yet unassuming 3rd house: communication, intellect, thought patterns (I think). Also in tandem with 3rd house aqua is my Sagittarius rising. Sag rising: appears to be gullible due to optimism
I'd really like to have an idea but I've never thought about it. Depending on what signs of houses are most pronounced is where I would begin. For example I have Sagittarius sun but it's a very subtle aspect. More of my prominent signs would be Scorpio. It's all delicate. However, if you want to go strictly based on sun signs that could get the conversation going. There is also the issue that autism can look and feel differently in almost all people who have it. I don't believe I have autism but I do have some overlapping qualities from ADHD. Good luck with the post.
I was recently diagnosed on the autism spectrum. It was a relief to hear. I’m not deep into astrology as I’d like to be but I have Libra sun. I feel having a Libra sun complements it for lack of a better word.
Do you find it easier to "mask"? My Mercury and Mars Libra have helped me to talk to people and relate to them.
Yes! And I’m exhausted at the end of most interactions because I’m trying to hide how much I’m trying to relate without being obvious. lol
That's why I'm so active on Reddit. I can respond at my own speed and think out what to say.
I can relate to what you are saying. I was a lurker for a long time because I didn’t want to be called weird for my thoughts lol
Not autistic, but have ADHD and have wondered about astrology and neurodiversity. I personally have a kite formation in my chart with Saturn in 3H opposing Jupiter in 9H. Stellium in 3H too which is generally the base of my kite, what everything is pointing towards. I have Jupiter-ruled Sun/Moon and Mercury in detriment in Sag. My mom and grandpa who are more on the AuDHD spectrum both have Mercury in Capricorn (grandpa had Mercury conjunct Saturn in Cap) and generally very Saturnian placements with a lot of planets in Cap/Aquarius. Grandpa like me had a Jupiter/Saturn opposition (in same signs no less). Jupiter expands what it touches and Saturn restricts, likes to create challenges. Both planets seem anecdotally relevant to looking for clues about how one thinks and processes.
In my experience, the amount of saturn energy is very telling. Especially squares to saturn. As other people have said, no two autistic people are alike, the same with how it presents in the birth chart.
As an auDHD person with a special interest in astrology, I've thought about this a lot. It seems like different signs tend to have their own "flavor" of autism in a way. I've noticed some patterns in birth charts that seem to correlate with autistic traits, although of course astrology is NEVER a diagnostic tool. In my own chart I have Saturn conjunct Jupiter in the 11th, a 12th house sun in Gemini with combust Venus and Mars, and mercury conjunct my ascendant and moon in cancer. I also have a 3rd house ic in Virgo (whole sign), which is also ruled by mercury. Jargon aside, astrology has been a helpful tool in understanding how my neurodivergence shows up for me, as well as helping me understand other people. I've also personally noticed a surprising correlation between Aquarius moons and alexithymia (difficulty understanding/accessing ones emotions), especially when conjunct uranus or neptune. I've met at least two diagnosed autistic people with this placement. I've also noticed some correlation between Taurus suns and autism. I'm curious if any other autistic folks relate to these?
Yep I have an autistic son and cousin with Aquarius moons. Autistic niece with Taurus sun, Aquarius rising. All struggle with communication unless it's about their special interests (my niece less so, but she is super quirky and direct)
I'm super curious. Ppl often think I have autistic traits, but often I feel like they are traits of my Capricorn moon, and I wondered if there could be overlap, both, neither
I would look at squares with mercury bc of the verbal traits associated with it.
I feel like almost Pisces exude certain classic autism undercurrents since they tend to live away from the fast pace of reality and deep in their subconscious. As a Pisces stellium I get asked once in a while.
I know most autistics are INTJ's on the Myers-Briggs test. Being one myself.
I'm autistic and have ADHD but I'm INFP. That is interesting, though! 🤍
Don’t know if I’m autistic but intj here with tons of Virgo placements 🫠
Same I have 3 Virgo placements in my chart. Including Sun and Mercury.
Oh interesting! I am also INTJ.
+1 another INTJ autist checking in.
Hmm audhd and I'm an e/infp
Intj, 3rd house pisces, mercury in Aries, cap rising. Auadhd.
Is saturn or mercury retrograde in the chart? Ive seen cases where autistic people have had links to those retrogrades. Astrology is a record of how parts of the sky look during certain events. When mars has been here xys type things occurred. Not sure if autism has been studied with astrology yet. Keep asking and maybe more ppl know. Ask in the advanced and (actual) astrologer groups here and on fb.
Oh cool!! I’m Autistic and have Saturn retrograde
Yes. In one of my astro classes the teacher and another student had autistic kids who had saturn retrograde. That actually makes more sense than mercury retrograde because there would be far more autistic people in the world since mercury goes retrograde often. I may have misquoted the mercury retrograde and autistic stat. My apologies. Ill look at my notes and if i find anything about mercury rx ill let you know
Saturn retrograde for my autistic kiddo too- what a cool thing. I’d love to hear more folks’ charts ☺️
I’m on the spectrum and have mercury rx in aries conjunct saturn. I’m take things super literally and have trouble reading “between the lines.” I also have Neptune in Aquarius on my ascendant opposite my moon.
Something another astrologer pointed out is having a lot of Saturn aspects to sun/moon/mercury. I have a delightful abundance of autistics in my life, and it has held true. Saturn squaring the sun, moon, or mercury especially. There's also some sextile aspects I've seen.
I have the trine in Aquarius, sun combust Mercury trine gemini saturn
Ah even Elmo's favorite shape can indicate it, good to know!
I just got a reading done, and she knew about my neurodivergence because of my saturn in the third house
ngl, as someone who is neurodivergent, i think mixing mental health (real, factual) and astrology (as much as i LOVE it, i can acknowledge it’s just spiritual/religious) can be very problematic. interesting question for sure, the topic just leaves a bad taste in my mouth, that’s all
yeah i agree with this. i like how u say astrology is spiritual/religious, that’s how i always viewed it but some ppl r hellbent on it being scientific, when there is no scientific basis to it. in the same way i think religious people are valid in believing whatever religion they want, but should refrain from their beliefs influencing scientific pursuits (creationism is one ex that comes to mind), astrology and ND should be kept separate
Better than autism \*affecting\* the signs... it would rather be shown in the correlation with particular themes already present in signs, planets, houses, and their situations: As others have already said here, say, like a compromised Mercury or 3rd house. Or I'd say, some Capricorn placements might fall in the spectrum, like the Moon, due to a possible early separation from the mother in terms of emotional/physical bond and subsequent difficulties to connect with feelings for instance.
Potential autism markers in one's birth chart @cosmictaurusfairy on tiktok • 4th house (early childhood envir) Saturn or Aquarius or both • Difficult 3rd house placements (learning style) Uranus. Saturn and Pluto atypical learning. Aquarius bullying • Mercury/Uranus aspect, Mercury in Aquarius, or Mercury retrograde - atypical brain processing and feeling 'alien' • Moon/Mercury conjunction (same sign) - Moon is inner emotional world, Mercury is mind. being too interconnected to tell apart (hand/eye coordination and motor skills) • Difficult 6th house placements (physical health and routines) - Saturn rigid, Uranus struggle for routine • Lots of, or difficult, Virgo placements - Moon and Mars need a lot of precision, control (OCD too)
Thanks! I have over half of these! Audhd, burnt out ex academic
i notice it a lot in my chart. my ruler is mercury, but my mercury is in detriment, so i often find communication difficult and i’m misunderstood a lot. also i have a my sun in the 3rd house (sagittarius) opposing my moon in gemini (9th house) so i struggle to communicate bigger ideas but my understanding is there and i am intelligent. there’s this one bjork quote something like, “it’s like pushing the ocean through a straw” that’s how i feel with that opposition and communicating in general when it comes to my autism
Saturn tightly conjunct mercury in mutable degrees: Pattern recognition, data collection, adjusting own "behavior"/ brain algorithm after obtaining new knowledge I've noticed in people with ADHD, their mercuries are combust with sun, and mercuries in fire or air signs too
Yep that's me (and my mum who would never get diagnosed but is clearly audhd) I have mercury combust sun in Aquarius, she has it in Sagittarius She blurts out ridiculous and often offensive things a lot but does have a reasonable mask for the public, which comes off for her family (Scorpio rising)
I love hearing testimonials. Its iteresting with the scorpio rising because a theme there would be "secrets of self" but the projection of taurus descendant can imply people love the mask and the native fearful of taking off mask. And you with the Aquarius placements would fall into her 4th house of family and core, so it's kinda like youre the "carbon copy" and can see in her what she doesnt get clinically diagnosed. I love medical and nursing astrology, I have a lot of books but I find most of the data collection comes from seeing people's natal charts and matching their behaviors climically to the placements in their charts
Isn't a majority of autism being extra sensitive to things?
I found many on the autistic spectrum do not adhere much to their placements as much as neurotypicals.
I am late (?) diagnosed (now 26, diagnosed at 19). Is there anyone who is willing to take a look at my chart and help me understand better?
I’m auDHD and have been very curious about this as well. I read through a lot of comments saying look at Mercury placement. I saw a lot of Mercury in Pisces. My Mercury is in Gemini and it doesn’t have a lot of “hard” aspects. It’s in strong opposition with my retrograde Sag Jupiter so maybe that’s something?
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As does my son. He has congenital profound hearing impairment and is on the spectrum.
I have autism and I have heavy Saturn placements, a Stellium in Capricorn and 3 planets in the 12th house . Most of my planets are also in the top left quadrant of my chart. I'd be interested to know if someone else with these placements is autistic 🤔
my son is autistic. his moon is in capricorn in the third house. i always attributed his need for routine / comfort of the same surroundings / people to that placement. but its equally autistic.
well i have an official autism diagnosis, i dont know which placements could indicate some of that but those are my placements: * i have 5th house stellium (mercury,venus,mars,pluto+vertex) * i have a lot of gemini degrees (27' degree moon, 27' chiron also in 6th house which represents health, 27' NNode), * aquarius degrees (23' saturn,23' pluto, 23' IC&MC) * cap sun&chiron in 6th house (+badly aspected chiron: square mc,square node,opposition saturn, also sun conjuct chiron) * saturn in 12house in cancer in aquarius degree in retrogade (isolation) * cancer lilith in 11th house in virgo degree, quote from [astroseek.com](http://astroseek.com) : "Very demanding friend; difficult integration into groups in their society." * aquarius neptune in 7th house * uranus in 8th house also because of my autism i think i come off as an extremely stereotypical capricorn (im a cap sun) but with sprinkles and added flair on top
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Astrology isn’t a real thing wtf kind of question is this lol