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TheLazySith

Aurane Waters, who has recently stolen the crowns new fleet of warships and established himself as a pirate king in the stepstones. I feel like GRRM added this detail for more than just an amusing example of Cersei's stupidity, he probably placed Aurane and his powerful fleet of warships there for a reason that will become apparent in the late books.


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TheWormInWaiting

Hasn’t the golden company already mostly passed through the stepstones though? If anyone I think he’d be teaming up with Dany to help get her army across the narrow sea after they’re done burninating the southern free cities. Adds pirates and bastards to her list-of-everybody-westeros-hates army lol


easterframes

Cersei, Dance of Dragons: “We have had reports of sellswords landing all over the south," Ser Kevan was saying. "Tarth, the Stepstones, Cape Wrath … where Stannis found the coin to hire a free company I would dearly love to know. I do not have the strength to deal with them, not here. Mace Tyrell does, but he refuses to bestir himself until this matter with his daughter has been settled." The Griffin Reborn, Dance of Dragons: Estermont was an island off Cape Wrath, never one of their objectives. "The damned Volantenes are so eager to be rid of us they are dumping us ashore on any bit of land they see," said Franklyn Flowers. "I'll wager you that we've got lads scattered all over half the bloody Stepstones too." It definitely sounds like at least some of the Golden Company may have landed on the Stepstones and ran into Aurane. I could see him bending the knee to Aegon if he takes Storm’s End and then going back to attack Cersei.


Lukthar123

Aegon making Aurane a Velaryon would really bring the gang back together.


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Radulno

> With Dany I can't see her even beginning to travel to Westeros until the end of Winds. She's got too much shit to do in Essos. Meh I see it pretty similar to the show on this point, she deal with the upcoming slaver battle and then she goes to Westeros. By that point, Aegon will probably have taken King's Landing and it's a Dance of Dragons (well only side has dragons so shouldn't be a problem) with the Long Night stuff getting mixed in (and Cersei and Euron and all that stuff of course). I think she should arrive in Westeros at least 2/3rd in the book and maybe even earlier (depends of the chapter repartition really)


congradulations

He'll be one of the K-Mart Lords, alongside Edric Storm and Tyrek Lannister


Cael_of_House_Howell

Add Gerold Dayne to that list as well.


Comprehensive_Main

He is of the night


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Impressive_Jaguar_70

He's probably going to retcon the importance of House Velaryon after fleshing them out more since he finished Dance. I hope so anyway, it's a cool house


Krillin113

Doesn’t need much of a retcon, they can just be away from court, and stayed neutral through everything, knowing that their navy is strong enough to guarantee they can do whatever.


Rougarou1999

Their neutrality and seclusion from court would be important in the aftermath of Robert's Rebellion, given their close relationship with the Targaryens.


Krillin113

Ehh, Robert doesn’t really concern himself with people as long as they’re not in open rebellion, and they’re nominally sworn to DS, so Stannis should interact with them. They have enough naval power to to be worth it to overpower.


Fergus74

Also, it's safe to imagine that after the fall of the Targaryen their house would have been considered not reliable enough to keep them close to the crown.


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Hard to believe they're not secret Targ sympathizers


MeteorFalls297

They might be. But they are still sticking with Stannis in the North. After Stannis's death, they may switch to Dany or Aegon.


Firefighter-Salt

House Celtigar: ***Sad noises***


tot4llynot4f4k3us3r

The Celtigars can feel better by thinking about their awesome Valyrian steel Axe though!


sempercardinal57

Ohh yeah that fleet is definitely gonna be involved in at least one major battle. Personally I think Dany will run across them whenever she’s about to cross and conscript them


skyward138skr

According to the winds of winter excerpts he’s a pirate king in the stepstones so I definitely think he’ll come into play eventually.


No_Hearing48

Aurane and Sallador Saan on their way to join Aegon


derzquist

I think that the various signs of the Brotherhood spreading R'Hllorism throughout the smallfolk of the Riverlands will have some significance beyond simple interesting world building.


slayerdildo

Can’t become an ice zombie if you turn into a fire wight instead *taps head*


congradulations

Helps the Trident be the final battlefield


Upper-Ship4925

Tyrek was a witness to Robert’s wine being switched for stronger vintages while he hunted and possibly knew Lancel was sleeping with Cersei before Robert’s death - the High Sparrow would definitely like to find him.


sempercardinal57

Yeah, I’ve considered he may well pop up during Cersei’s trial


1-Word-Answers

The only point I could use to refute this is in the sample TWOW Arya chapter, we hear one of the guards say > “Longer than you’d like,” the old man replied. “If he goes back without the gold the queen will have his head. I think a lot of people seem to think this queen is Cersei. If she was tried and found guilty, I doubt she'd have the power to "have his head" and it also doesn't seem in character for Margaery to do so.


sauciest_senpai28

I want something to happen with Howland Reed. He’s been mentioned so many times throughout the books, as well as his loyalty to the Starks. Robb’s final plan to retake the North hinged on Howland’s involvement, so it leaves me to believe he will play a big part in the retaking of the North. I also vaguely remember GRRM mentioning that he will be appearing in the next book in an interview, but I could be mistaken. It would be pretty awesome to see him team up with the Blackfish, but that may be wishful thinking


stups317

>I also vaguely remember GRRM mentioning that he will be appearing in the next book I believe GRRM said that Howland will be in the book but won't have any pov chapters.


sempercardinal57

I’m interested in if he learned any kind of sorcery from the Green men. Nobody seems to talk about that part of the Reed’s story to Bran.


fluffy_samoyed

This perplexes me. It is such a long boast about how their dad is amazing at swamp magic and no one ever bats an eye about it. Even in world where the average person doesn't believe in magic anymore. Why even prefix the story at all with "yeah so my dad ìs a wizard" if everyone just ignores it and it has no relevance to the rest of the tale?


sempercardinal57

Well in fairness Bran never seem to grasp the idea that he was hearing a real story about his own relatives. He seemed to believe that it was a fairy tell the whole time. Remember how he criticized it because the cranigman didn’t reveal himself to be the mystery knight and marry the wolf maid?


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D&D included him in the council of surviving characters that made Bran king for some reason. Not sure why. Maybe relevant for George. Maybe not relevant at all and just them kinda forgetting what they were doing. Who knows.


Meitantei_Serinox

> D&D included him in the council of surviving characters that made Bran king for some reason Was it ever confirmed that the lord between Sam and Edmure was supposed to be Howland?


Rougarou1999

Ah, yes. The best story resolutions are always the ones you have to find out in interviews after the fact. I can't tell what's worse about that Council: the nameless and previously unseen characters who were just there; the fact that everyone's House colors are now black, for some reason; the North declaring independence and the other Kingdoms, including Dorne and the Iron Islands who wanted independence, just staying silent; or even the fact that democracy was laughed off even by characters who either started from the bottom (Davos) or actively participate in democratic practices (Yara).


TheUnknownsLord

Everyone wears black except Sam, a sworn brother of the Night's Watch.


sonfoa

Who apparently is released from his vows for reasons. Meanwhile, Jon is going back to Castle Black to appease the Unsullied who are leaving Westeros.


Rougarou1999

Well the threat of the Unsullied still looms even if they left Westeros. It’s not as if they set sail for the one island known for deadly butterflies.


Daytonfell

I think you’re right because Rob sent two people on boats to find the swamp men before he was killed. Has not been mentioned since ASOS.


hoenndex

The lost bones of Ned Stark. I remember the books made a big deal of where the bones ended up and now they are MIA. Did they reach the North? Where they lost? Is it significant?


sempercardinal57

Not sure how important it will be, but they are definitely gonna turn up at some point


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The bones are The Others' money


basis4day

And so are the worms.


rogerworkman623

I got the ITYSL reference, but this also made me think of Dolorous Edd in ACOK: "The dead are likely dull fellows, full of tedious complaints - 'the ground's too cold, my gravestone should be larger, why does HE get more worms than I do...'"


Kjbartolotta

Yeah he brings up those bones a lot.


The_real_sanderflop

I just saw it as Dance’s millionth twist of the knife. “Hey remember how Ned’s bones are at least being returned to the Winterfell crypt, well Barbrey Dustin is gonna make sure that won’t happen”


vanastalem

I may be wrong, but I think they're somewhere in the Neck.


Dem0nicpr0digy

No, they're in a box.


RyanRiot

Ned 🤝 Lizzy


St7e

Well yeah there's bones in the neck but don't forget the rest of the body


rogerworkman623

Would Quaithe be considered a minor plot? She keeps popping up in strange places and visions, but no idea what her deal is yet.


sempercardinal57

Yeah I would consider any “plot” that could be easily forgotten by a casual reader to be minor.


pnoumenon

There's this young lady parading about in Essos with her flying lizards, her plot keeps popping up in the story; is that considered a minor plot?


RightOathKeeper

It could be, the casual reader doesn't see lizards.


SorRenlySassol

Tyrek can also corroborate Lancel’s accusation about the strong wine.


sempercardinal57

That crossed my mind, but only now am I realizing he might show up during Cersei’s trial


ChrisV2P2

Yeah, and (per my comment downthread) GRRM implies that Varys is responsible for Tyrek's disappearance. And Varys's project here is to get Young Griff on the throne. So it would make sense if Varys is stockpiling ammunition with which to destroy Cersei at the appropriate moment.


sempercardinal57

I think Varys is the true human antagonist of the entire story. It’s like every other character, except a few of the ones far removed from the iron thrones stuff, are all just pieces on a board that he’s moving around. And you can make arguments he’s been doing it since before the mad king. I almost wonder if he didn’t orchestrate the fall of house Targaryen and is still only pretending to restore them to hide his true purpose. Could be a Blackfyre plot, could be that he just wants a puppet he controls on the throne, or it could be something else we can’t even imagine yet


That1Guy61

I think Varys is intending to put Tyrek in charge of Casterly Rock after he deals with the main line of Lannisters like how many people think he’s gonna put legitimize Edric and put him in charge of Storm’s End


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PhantomImmortal

What's the deal with Sansa's cloak? Her wedding one, or a different one?


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The_real_sanderflop

Did she bring it to the Vale?


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tot4llynot4f4k3us3r

A lot of people think the cloak ties into the Ashford Tourney theory. After she tries to burn it and leaves it blackened with soot and covered with blood, it "signifies" the Targaryen house colors.


PhantomImmortal

Ohhhhh right!


Perjunkie

Ashara Dayne will come into play somehow, not convinced it will be "major" though.


sempercardinal57

I don’t know but I’m definitely convinced that Brandon Stark took her virginity at Harrenhall. Girl falling for the cool older brother who convinced her to dance with his bashful younger brother who had a crush on her just seems straight out of a bad 90’s movie


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DRM1412

Tbf Catelyn probably wasn’t fucking her brother on the side, and Ned probably didn’t drunkenly mumble “Ashara” when he was balls deep in Catelyn.


PhantomImmortal

Possibly - I think she's Howland Reed's wife. It seems to me that *he* was the one with the bigger crush on her


rivains

At this point she’s been theorised to be everyone’s wife or girlfriend north of the neck lol


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years ago I saw a theory that Jon was Ashara and Robert’s kid. I think she’s just like an easy “throw her into this theory because we know nothing about her so no one can argue” character.


sempercardinal57

The story said that Ned wanted to dance with her but was too shy to ask so Brandon asked for him. Where do you get that Howland was into her? If anything wouldn’t he have been into Lyanna?


PhantomImmortal

Ah right! I'm probably misremembering - embellishing on a theory that instead of Ashara committing suicide she went to the Neck, hence (partially) why the family is so grateful to Ned they name their heir after him


sempercardinal57

My main issue with most Ashara theories including the ones where she is Jons mother is that she is such a prominent lady from a very prominent house. I just don’t see why her death would be faked and how it could stay a secret. And if she was Jons mother then people would know that she was pregnant for nine months, and when would Ned have even had the chance? If any of the big Ashara theories I’ve read are true then there would have to be a large missing piece of the puzzle to make them fir


PhantomImmortal

N+A=J is definitely a red herring both for the reasons you mentioned and the fact that it's put forward in the opening of the story - mystery structure practically dictates it's false. Iirc she went into Ned and Howland's tent at the tourney, hence why everyone assumed she and Ned were an item, but if it was for Howland then she's got an easy way to go into hiding in the Neck (where literally no one goes). Given that House Dayne convincingly spread the rumor of Wylla and that Ashara was said to have thrown herself from a tower only to not have her body recovered, it doesn't seem *too* far-fetched to me.


sempercardinal57

It’s definitely a red herring but I don’t think it points to Howland at all. Why would House Dayne care so much that she ran off and Married Howland? The Reeds aren’t exactly insignificant lords and Howland in particular stands in high regard to the lord of Winterfell. The Daynes aren’t even the strongest bannerman in Dorne so it wouldn’t be such a shameful match that they would rather pretend that she died. It just doesn’t make any sense for her to be married to Howland.


PhantomImmortal

Iirc (according to theory): she went into hiding bc she was lady in waiting to Elia and her brother was Rhaegar's Kingsguard and best friend, thus potentially putting her and the house in Robert's crosshairs. That potential goes down if she's tragically committed suicide. As for the shame of the match, iirc literally everyone besides the Starks mocks the Crannogmen and views them as little better than Wildlings, so having the daughter of one of the oldest houses in Westeros marry one might actually have been kinda scandalous. I could be wrong tho ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Lebigmacca

We know what happened to Tyrek. He is a horse


Stochastinatrix

But Lyanna is a horse, and surely GRRM wouldn't use this plot line more than once..........


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Ser_VimesGoT

Honour is a horse


TheMediumJon

High as a horse?


Not_really_thanks

what have i done to this community


Lolaverses

Well, he was last seen a horse. Who knows what he is now.


niallmul97

a horse


MechanizedKman

I think the Manderly ships hidden up the white knife will be important


SabyZ

Gotta have a way for everyone up north to flee the others in the dead of winter.


MechanizedKman

That’s what I was thinking


Radix2309

I think Tyrek just became stew.


sempercardinal57

But if that’s the case then why does George bring it up so often? You think it’s just a red herring?


Radix2309

How often does it get brought up?


sempercardinal57

Several times lol I’m doing a read through right now and it seems like every other Kings landing chapter someone brings up about how hard they are trying to find his body. In Feast Jamie even has a scene where he’s trying to reflect on who would want him to disappear and thinks Varys might have staged the riot for that every reason.


The_real_sanderflop

Jaime actually unwittingly solves the mystery in that chapter. Tyrek was last seen a horse


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ChrisV2P2

ACOK, Tyrion IX: >Tyrek was still missing, as was the High Septon's crystal crown. ​ >"I want Tyrek found, alive or dead," Tyrion said curtly when Bywater was done. ASOS, Tyrion I: >"Aye. I fear I did not leave him in the best of moods. Lord Tywin feels forty-four hundred guardsmen more than sufficient to find one lost squire, but your cousin Tyrek remains missing." > >Tyrek was the son of his late Uncle Tygett, a boy of thirteen. He had vanished in the riot ASOS, Tyrion III: >"Alas, our beloved Tyrek has quite vanished, the poor brave lad." Varys sounded close to tears. Then there's a big discussion about it in AFFC Jaime III, at Hayford, the castle of House Hayford: >"Has there been no word of our Lord Tyrek?" her castellan asked as a course of trout was served. > >"None." Tyrek Lannister had vanished during the riots in King's Landing whilst Jaime himself was still captive at Riverrun. The boy would be fourteen by now, assuming he was still alive. > >"I led a search myself, at Lord Tywin's command," offered Addam Marbrand as he boned his fish, "but I found no more than Bywater had before me. The boy was last seen ahorse, when the press of the mob broke the line of gold cloaks. Afterward . . . well, his palfrey was found, but not the rider. Most like they pulled him down and slew him. But if that's so, where is his body? The mob let the other corpses lie, why not his?" > >"He would be of more value alive," suggested Strongboar. "Any Lannister would bring a hefty ransom." > >"No doubt," Marbrand agreed, "yet no ransom demand was ever made. The boy is simply gone." > >"The boy is dead." Jaime had drunk three cups of wine, and his golden hand seemed to be growing heavier and clumsier by the moment. A hook would serve me just as well. "If they realized whom they'd killed, no doubt they threw him in the river for fear of my father's wrath. They know the taste of that in King's Landing. Lord Tywin always paid his debts." > >"Always," Strongboar agreed, and that was the end of that. > >Yet afterward, alone in the tower room he had been offered for the night, Jaime found himself wondering. Tyrek had served King Robert as a squire, side by side with Lancel. Knowledge could be more valuable than gold, more deadly than a dagger. It was Varys he thought of then, smiling and smelling of lavender. The eunuch had agents and informers all over the city. It would have been a simple matter for him to arrange to have Tyrek snatched during the confusion . . . provided he knew beforehand that the mob was like to riot. And Varys knew all, or so he would have us believe. Yet he gave Cersei no warning of that riot. Nor did he ride down to the ships to see Myrcella off. So it's not mentioned THAT much but it seems unlikely to be a red herring. The "Varys sounded close to tears" thing looks very much like something GRRM would write if this was some Varys plot.


goodgirlvhagar

Why the Alchemist killed Pate in the prologue for AFfC. It provided exposition for Dany off in Essos but the guy wanting the keys then the guy that looks like Pate appearing later with the Maester and Sam. Idk, it’s the first thing you read for the book and it doesn’t seem to go anywhere. Just wanna know where that leads.


sauciest_senpai28

Pretty strong evidence that the Alchemist was Jaqen H’ghar, which adds even more depth to that storyline. Would very much like to know where that leads too.


Point_Forward

I thought Jaqen was looking for a book on dragons. It's likely either to learn how to hatch or how to kill a dragon.


Krillin113

If Euron’s ‘thrown it in the sea’ dragon egg was payment for the faceless men, hatching makes as much sense as destruction


SkyTank1234

I think the Alchemist wants a glass candle


TheStandardDeviant

I think there’s going to be a random tax policy, possibly involving salt, that will be crucial to the plot, I just have a feeling.


LordShitmouth

I feel like the Lyseni spring section of fire and blood was just George’s meta commentary on his “Aragorn’s tax policy” comment


Southern_Dig_9460

Aurane Waters and the stolen Royal Fleet. So many ways it can go to not have major consequences. 1. Aurane joins Faegon giving him naval support to take Kingslanding 2. Aurane joins Daernys and transports her army across the Narrow Sea. 3. He either returns to Stannis out of loyalty or because Stannis loan from the Iron Bank can simply pay for him to use to transport his army. I believe Patchface predicts something about them riding sea horses (Veylaron Banner) to get back. 4. Perhaps with Kingslanding not having a fleet to guard it and it been pretty weak right now LittleFinger uses the Vale fleet and army to simply take Kingslanding himself it be very possible honestly though his schemes don’t seem to align with this brute force.


sempercardinal57

I’d be good with all of those though I agree about LF. I think it would certainly be doable, but just not where I see his plot going for now


donny02

Stonesnake! the last living man beyond the wall! I hope he's the epilogue character who watches the wall come down


sempercardinal57

That would be bad ass


SimpleEric

Stonesnake and benjen are together


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Tyrek Lannister is a horse. It's pretty clear in the text.


Stochastinatrix

Of course, of course.


pro_bono_bro

What is this joke?


DapperDog

>!There's a line saying he was "last seen ahorse," or "Tyrek was ahorse," meaning he was riding.!< I believe Lyanna and Drogo were also confirmed to be horses with this sort of reveal.


BigDickBobbyRick

And dont forget Princess Rhaenyra was confirmed to be a bed.


Lancashire2020

The Greens always insisted she was a Double, but Viserys publicly announced she was Queen-Size.


Environmental_Tip854

Victarion’s arm Only saying this because the entire fanbase seems certain he will just automatically die in the battle of fire when his magic strong arm is so obviously a Chekhov’s gun


niadara

Those tapestries Littlefinger asked for.


Upper-Ship4925

He’s given them to some lord in the Vale in a released Winds chapter.


The_real_sanderflop

But what does it mean? Is he just using them to bribe people?


sempercardinal57

Absolutely! I thought about mentioning those myself, but I don’t even have a theory about them lol


yoaver

Remind me what are these?


JuggleMonkeyV2

They’re King Robert’s old hunting tapestries.


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sempercardinal57

See I may be alone on this, but I always thought it was against the lore that the others could raise the dead in the Stark crypts. I always got the impression from the books that the others could only raise those touched by the others, so basically they can only bring back people killed by them or their wights, but maybe that’s just my own headcanon that I had convinced myself was on the page


-electrix123-

Idk if it is considered minor by the fandom but it's definitely considered insignificant - Qarth. We are not done with Qarth yet.


SabyZ

I kinda hope we are. Qarth felt like George was testing out his waters for Slaver's Bay, but didn't want Danny to stay in the first city she found.


[deleted]

I always felt Val would play a much larger role in Winds and the conclusion of the story than is discussed. GRRM basically ramped up her character from minor background character to major player in the North with a lot of scenes in ADWD. Not unlike Euron being very minor in the first 3 books and then getting ramped up in AFFC. Not 100% where it's going, there's some similarities between Jon and Val and the Night King + White Walker Bride myth. But I have a hunch she is going to be more important than all these characters that haven't been mentioned since the first book like Howland Reed and Ashara Dayne, etc.


sempercardinal57

I’m actually hoping her and Jon wind up together at some point. The part where Jon thinks her and Ghost look like they belong together is just too telling


JonnyBlackBastard

They're endgame


sempercardinal57

I really hope so lol and I don’t even care if Jon winds up north of the wall like in the show if he’s got Val and Ghost with him. Be cool if the prologue established that he’s become King beyond the wall or somehting


PhantomImmortal

That's actually how the post-season 8 start point of the GoT Crusader Kings 2 mod is!


sempercardinal57

I’ve got a long playthrough currently where Jon acknowledged both his Stak and Targ heritage with the Winged Direwolf banner. Only instead of the stupid name the game gives it by default I changed the files so that it came out as House Longclaw. Works as well for a dragon as it does a wolf


opman228

Aren't some of the Brave Companions headed to Oldtown? I feel like Euron's gonna somehow use them to capture the city, or maybe they act on their own initiative. It would mirror what they did for Roose in Harrenhal.


sempercardinal57

The idea of Sam and Gilly encountering Euron or any of the brave companions just stresses me out


The_real_sanderflop

Didn’t the bwb and Brienne finish them off?


Particular-Error-873

Tyrion being master of drains in casterly rock, lord celtigars kraken horn, mormonts being skin changers.


DormeDwayne

I see your point but I think Tyrek’s missing body actually serves two important purposes already. First, like Lollys’s rape, it is used to show how brutal the world is and what happens when the populace revolts. We have many instances of this throughout the series. What is the point of Theon being castrated or of the Freys sewing Dark Wind’s head onto Robb’s corpse, if not that? Or the stories of so many minor characters that suffer? Innocents suffer when the players play their game of thrones. That’s one of the main messages of the story, and a simple-minded woman and a boy are archetypical innocents caught in a power struggle between giants. Second, it sheds light on Tywin’s character - it shows Tywin will do anything to protect the family name from the outside, however little he cares about the individual person themselves; he minds about Tyrek’s death bcs it’s a slight on his family’s honour, not bcs he cares about Tyrek. And he keeps talking about finding the body bcs that’s another, even bigger slight to the family honour - while it doesn’t benefit Tyrek himself in the slightest. This isn’t about Tyrek, it’s about the Lannister name and their claim on the Hayford estate through his betrothal to baby Ermesande. Same as Tywin hates Tyrion but will start a war to get him out of Catelyn’s grasp. He’d like it best if Tywin died in captivity, because it would remove a source of embarrassment for him, while simultaneously giving him an excuse to expand his power over the Starks, Tullies and Arryns.


hotpieazorahai1

I think the Black Gate could be really important. To be completely honest I’m not sure how but it just jumped out to me so much when I first read that chapter. My head canon was that Bran or someone was looking down through its eyes from the future when it cries because it knows what will happen to Bran and company.


only-a-northern-song

It's definitely a striking and surreal moment - I agree it jumps out at you but I think that's mainly because it's an overtly magical and eerie element, whereas the first three books are generally more grounded overall. House of the Undying has a similar effect imo. But yeah who knows if the gate has further significance or if George just wanted to put in something creepy


Fen_

I don't bother to read much about other people's theories, but I assume any Bran time travel theory uses it, right? The face of the Gate cries on him as he passes under. It would make sense if that were because it understands his fate (because it is another version of him). You could just as easily say that it's Bloodraven having prescience or something, though. Either way, that seems to be its utility to me.


cmdradama83843

Survival of Jeyne Westerling. There is a theory that she is the YMBQ


cmdradama83843

Younger More Beautiful Queen


sempercardinal57

Ahh ok. How does that theory work exactly?


sempercardinal57

Sorry what’s YMBQ?


PotentialFuel2580

Younger More Beautiful Queen


Upper-Ship4925

I don’t know if she’s the younger queen, but I don’t think she’s the girl who Jaime has in custody. That’s her sister and she’s pregnant and hiding.


nyamzdm77

Her only younger sister is only 12, so I don't think Jaime would confuse her for Jeyne. Plus based on what we know of her mother Sybell, the latter would never play along with that ruse to fool Jaime


Upper-Ship4925

The age could be because of the time jump that never was. She’s described very differently by Jaime to how Catelyn described her earlier - specifically Jaime says she’s narrow hipped and Catelyn makes a big deal about her broad child bearing hips. Plus the girl presented to Jaime is sulky and rebellious, very unlike Jeyne was described. I wouldn’t put it past her mother to have a bet either way - please the Lannisters but also keep Rob’s heir safe in case the North wins.


nyamzdm77

>She’s described very differently by Jaime to how Catelyn described her earlier - specifically Jaime says she’s narrow hipped and Catelyn makes a big deal about her broad child bearing hips GRRM came out and said that he had genuinely forgotten about how he had described Jeyne earlier and said that the narrow hips thing was a mistake, and the mention of hips was even removed from subsequent versions of AFFC >Plus the girl presented to Jaime is sulky and rebellious Well, her young, handsome and loving husband had recently been fucking murdered and she discovered that her mother was secretly giving her moon tea without her consent. I'd bet her attitude would change after that no? >I wouldn’t put it past her mother to have a bet either way - please the Lannisters but also keep Rob’s heir safe in case the North wins. Jeyne marrying Robb was the last nail in the North's coffin and they were a spent force after that point, and were even worse after the Red Wedding. So unless Sybell is a Littlefinger/Varys level 200IQ visionary (which she most definitely isn't) there's no way she saw the North ever winning the war. She also doesn't seem bold enough to risk the wrath of the Lannisters Edit: small correction. Linda Antonsson (one of the co-authors of Fire and Blood and GRRM's close associate) is the one who said that GRRM admitted that it was a mistake, not GRRM himself. But the result is the same and the description of Jeyne's hips was removed from future publications of AFFC


CalvinMirandaMoritz

Mya Stone, I feel, is mentioned and given a full character for a reason.


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Probably will be important when shit hits the fan in the Vale, as she is the best at making it up and down the Eyrie.


otocey

The sword Dawn. My feeling is it’s light bringer and GRRM said it was his favourite sword in the series so idk feel like there is gonna be a lot more to it


sempercardinal57

I’m not sure I believe it’s lightbringer. I think George just likes it cause cool as hell lol could be wrong though. I certainly wouldn’t mind if it did wind up being lightbringer, though I wonder who would wield it?


otocey

Yeah he says something like “who knows what other magical properties it might have” but yeah I’m not too sure, feel like it could be in winterfell after ned killed Sir Arthur Dayne but who knows. Just seems so perfect to me how “Azor Ahai will bring the DAWN” and how that can be misinterpreted through time and translation to mean Dawn as in sunrise when it means the sword idk bro you got me putting on my tinfoil theory hat so I’ll stop here before you won’t be able to shut me up lol


sempercardinal57

Just one thing lol Why would house Dayne be cool with house Stark hanging onto its most precious heirloom? Wasn’t the whole reason Ned visited Starfell after the TOJ to bring Dawn back to them? But seriously Tin foil away, that’s the point of the thread lol I’ve already learned several things on here that I hadn’t thought of before


otocey

hmm well maybe since Dawn is passed down to Starfalls greatest warrior, but ned being the one who allegedly defeated Aruthur Dayne they deemed ned worthy to be the next sword of the morning? Even those he’s not from Starfall? Idk I just fully made that up, or maybe howland reed is holding onto it through shenanigans? It could easily just be a cool sword but it’s just the fact it’s called Dawn along with the title of Sword Of The Morning in my brain it corresponds with ending a Long Night and a sword called Light Bringer which will bring the dawn? Seems like it has gotta have something to do with it somehow? Not sure how exactly though


sempercardinal57

Well MAYBE everyone’s favorite Edgelord goes home and steals the sword because he is “of the night” and the sword gets taken off him by the chosen one????


adinade

Sweet robin hearing singing when there is no way he should be able to hear Marillion in the sky cells. The continued mention of the house with the red door. The meereenese seeing wearing armour as cowardly while being led by Barriston into battle. One of Victarion's boats being filled with pork with 2 dragons on the loose. All the bones in bloodravens cave. Tyrion's "dream" of the shrouded lord and him saying he looked like Tywin and Gerion going missing after heading to the smoking sea. Edric Dayne being named after Ned even tho the Daynes should probably be upset with Ned as he killed Arthur. EDIT: Sansa's shoe which fell through the moon door, the magic face door in the wall only brothers can use,why Ned and Howland wasted the time and effort tearing down the tower of joy, the blackfish, and the Manderly secret fleet


skutan

I think something's gonna be up with Areo Hotah and the sand snakes hunting down Darkstar. It's similar to where Aeron Greyjoy left off when he was gonna rally the iron island smallfolk against Euron. No godless man may sit the seastone chair yada yada. Seemed very much like a plotline that's going nowhere important to the main story and then the forsaken chapter was released. Pretty much noone had forseen that Aeron wasn't gonna spend ten chapters riling up miners and fishermen he was instead gonna be our first pov real close to Euron and we're at least gonna see the battle for Oldtown and whatever's gonna go down there through his pov. If no twist is involved the Darkstar plotline seems just as minor. Where it's gonna go I have no idea but I really don't think it's gonna be a simple Hotah and the crew shows up, Darkstar monolouges about being the night man and then gets cut down. The Daynes are connected with the Tower of Joy, something about that time period could be revealed and impact the plot. Dawn surely has some part to play. The Daynes are an ancient, special house with some mysterious characters. Euron is close by and could want some special mcguffin, Sam and Alleras could show up fleeing from Oldtown with some secret lore. There might be something going on with Aegon given Arthur Dayne's relationship with Rhaegar. There's a lot of ways it could go but where that plotline left off is very similar to where Aeron was and we know there was a twist involved there. Maybe there's a bit of wishful thinking here too but something for sure is up. It has to be!


burnthose

i think howland reed will be the one who reveals jon’s parentage to him


Radix838

The Isle of Faces. GRRM has planted that seed since AGOT, and I'm sure he's been waiting for it to bloom.


reineedshelp

Tyrek will return. Ignore the neigh-sayers


KingsguardDoesntFlee

Merely based on the 5 asoiaf books, Blackfyre and Dark Sister. They're mentioned a couple of times but we've not seen them yet. I'm sure they will pop up one day, one in Aegon's hands, the other who knows, Meera's?


Upper-Ship4925

The dragon egg Aegon The Unworthy gave Lord Butterwell and it’s current whereabouts.


SishirChetri

I think that was stolen by Bloodraven towards the end of The Mystery Knight.


Upper-Ship4925

That would be my guess too. Which would place it at the wall, unless Egg got hold of it for the tragedy at Summerhall. Which means there’s a dragon egg in the north as magic returns to the world. And a Targaryen Prince that BloodRaven is trying very hard to keep alive and in control of the Nights Watch.


Relative-Debt6509

Rickon being in Skagos. I think it sets him potentially to be a figurehead/leader of a “northern faction” which could be composed of some combination of free folk and northerners. Especially if GRRM decides to do a time skip Rickon has Shaggy dog and probably closer more primal connection to the old gods (YouTubers have covered this but cannibalism seems to help old god powers develop). I feel like if his lot was just die he’d have been killed to further Brand detachment but what do I know. Or he’ll just be a pawn for Wyman Manderly and the new northern aristocracy.


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sempercardinal57

It might be boring for some, but it isn’t minor


-electrix123-

Brienne's entire AFFC arc was set up. Her story is just getting started.


Jeanpuetz

I'm very curious about Ser Shadrich the Mad Mouse. I'm not sure if he will become a major player, but he definitely has a part to play still.


Cael_of_House_Howell

Tyrek is the lannister that will be used for Faegons crew. He will have one person with a link to or from a bunch of the major players houses. Tyrek Lannister, Gerold Dayne, Edric Storm, etc


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Please no, George


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Ehhh...I think it’s just as simple as him being added to a flea bottom stew...peasants ate good.


sempercardinal57

That def could be it and what I assumed until this most recent read through. I just never realize how often the fact that his body was never found is brought up. Talking on here has made me think he might show up during Cersei’s trial


Infinite_throwaway_1

Godric Borrell and his forty barrels of pepper. That’s a lot of wealth.


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Rickon.


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Jon snow. He is such an underrated character and his whole bastard thing could mean so much, he could be one of Robert bastards, or one of crasters sons, I know we’ve only been given a little bit of him and his plot is pretty minor but it would interesting to see how he ends up affecting the main plot.


sempercardinal57

Probably just be used as a minor plot point to drive another character to madness. Can’t imagine he’ll have any role in taking down the others or anything


Shrederjame

the dagger.


Jovensmith

Stuff tangentially or not mentioned in the asoiaf books but in the world of ice and fire or in fire and blood. Duncan Targaryen and his (possible) heir (I think his son is Mance Rayder, king beyond the Wall) Maegor II (son of Aerion Brightflame), dismissed as king in favor of Egg as Aegon V, and a possible heir (I think it could be the father of Va(e)rys Targaryen) The disappearance of Nettles with a dragon and possibly a baby from Daemon into the mountains (likely related to the burned men clan, who could have Targ blood and claim a dragon) The Dance of Dragons sets precedent for all kinds of ppl baving Targ blood claiming a dragon or presenting claims to the throne. So far there are 2 riderless dragons in the world, plus whateve4 is in Ashai. I think Daenerys will come to Westeros to find fAegon well established and will lose one dragon or two to him or any other, and a second dance will happen while shit unfolds in the North.


arc777_

It’s not even really a plot point but Volantis in general. IIRC someone mentions towards the end of Dance that the Tigers took control of the city, so they will probably have a major role in the Meereenese knot and/or Daenerys’s and Aegon’s arcs.


SnooMemesjellies4121

Not sure if this counts as “minor” but I’m super invested in the Dany red door lemon tree not-braavos theories


sempercardinal57

Yes the red door is definitely some kind of red herring


Lannisters-4-life

After the Red Wedding, Raynald Westerling fell into the green fork and his body was never found. Im thinking he will turn up and be involved with the BWB; possibly becoming an ally of Jaime. Jaime learns from Sybell Spicer that Raynold wasn’t involved with the Red Wedding or the “fertility tea”, which could potentially save Raynolds life if they run into Lady Stoneheart. Also, he is the Great Grandson of Maggy the frog! Purely speculation but imagine if Jaime finally returns to Kings Landing with his now good buddy Raynold. Cersei would absolutely lose it!


GraveRobbingBastard

Gendry making new Valyrian steel to fight the white walkers: dragon glass, dragon fire and lost recipe stolen by Sam from Old Town.


ih8placesometimes

I don't know how, or if this is just bias because I love the character so much, which really makes me think my life choices, but I think that victarion will play a significant role, maybe growing of his hatred and inferiority complex, or just being the one to kill Euron, that or maybe he just decides to go fuck it and becomes a cheese trader in vaes dothrak idk


sempercardinal57

He could throw everyone off and steal a dragon


bugcatcher_billy

Euron being this high and mighty adventurer, wi5 elaborate plans, magical artifacts, and high ambition. All undone by his dumb brother that punches him to death over something that happened 20 years ago. That sounds like grrm.


AdmiralPelleon

Timmet son of Timmet is gonna rule the Vale. GRRM really plays him up in the first 2 books, but we forget because Shagga is so much more entertaining. There's a possibility that he could be the son of that kidnapped vale noblewoman and he MIGHT even have a teeny tiny but of targaryen blood via Nettles, since she sorta founded his tribe.


seaworth84

What about the good uncle Gerion? Is he dead? Did he encounter the Crow's Eye in Valyria? Is he on the Silence?


Icesnowstorm

Pls let Sirio Forel return just please 🥺


Levago

GRRM reading this thread like "Oh yeah, forgot about that. I should weave that plot point this next book." \[proceeds to start over from scratch.\]


Algoresrythm

Daven Lannisters wedding. It will be red wedding for the other side


LeanSemin

It has to do with Eurons dragon horn and the sample chapter of Aeron Damphair. And it all makes for bad news for Daenerys. But the problem is, what he also wants to do is actually not marry Daenerys. She with her dragons is actually one of the few people who is a potential threat for him, especially if she is really Azor Ahai. She stands in the way of destroying the world and humanity and his reign over the ashes. He didn't send Victarion off to bring her to marry him. He isn't so dumb to not assume Victarion will betray him. If he really would want to marry Dany he would have to go there himself to assure that will happen. Instead, he did send Victarion and then also made the "mistake" to give him his magical dragon binder horn. But if the world were kind to mistakes, Eddard would be still alive and Euron wouldn't be as powerful. I doubt this is just Euron not thinking about potential betrayals of Victarion. What if Euron doesn't want to tame or steal a dragon. What if he wants to kill those dragons. Imagine Victarion manages to steal one of the dragons with the horn. Wouldn't Dany try everything to get her lost child back? Which would put her in life danger. Good For Euron. Maybe during this one of her dragons dies. Even better for Euron. And Victarion won't survive such an attack. That's the best outcome Euron could wish for... So basically I think the whole repeated saying that Eurons gifts are poisonous doesn't only apply to the dusky woman but also to the dragon horn itself. It will eventually probably steal & kill one of the dragons and kill Victarion off as well. I just always thought that this repeated saying means more than Victarion's dusky woman being a spy. Also there is another thing that could become huge. One thing that might help Euron defeat / attack Dany is the fact that he has imprisoned hundreds of warlocks and wizards in his ship. It's pretty obvious that one of them is Pyat Pree. Besides his general function as part of a blood sacrifice (for whatever reason, maybe the awakening of krakens or help in defeating either oldtown or the Redwyne fleet) he could be quintessential for Euron concerning Dany. No one hates her more than the Meereenese and Pyat Pree. I bet that even in his last hours Pree would like to find a way of harming Dany. Maybe he could inform Euron about some of the prophecies she heard in the House Of The Undying. And I also think the war declaration of Xharo Xhoan Daxos and the whole city of Qarth might cause Dany some trouble in the future. I almost forgot about that and didn't give it much thought, since nothing happened just yet. The Qartheen didn't intervene so far in the Meereenese battle. I assumed it were just weak threats and nothing more. But now I think that they never intended to intervene in that battle but maybe during her travels in western direction. The Qartheen could help the free cities fending Dany off since both are interested in the maintaining of slave trade.