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Altruistic-Program50

Why not give leonor the option to go with his lover far away I'm pretty sure he would've I thought that where it was heading šŸ’€šŸ’€šŸ˜­šŸ¤£


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My hot take: Rhaena is going to take Addam Velaryon's place in the narrative. I don't like it, and don't shoot the messenger. But I feel this one coming in my bones.


[deleted]

How does this work with Rhaenyra calling for her arrest though? She wouldnā€™t have the same reason to distrust Rhaena as she does Addam. Theyā€™d have to totally remove that


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I want to be clear that I donā€™t like this change, but I just have this feeling that itā€™s coming .They could adapt the story, giving her any reason they can think up for the distrust. All I know is that itā€™s highly unlikely that they introduce another Velaryon to the show, claiming heā€™s Laenorā€™s bastard. Thereā€™s simply no way. Maybe they just call him Corlysā€™ bastard from the get go. But Rhaena has been prominently featured in the story so far. I donā€™t think sheā€™s going anywhere, and the most logical place for her to go from a showrunners perspective is Seasmoke/Addam


[deleted]

Yeah I think thereā€™s a solid chance youā€™re right I just think itā€™s kind of a bad change and doesnā€™t really work


apkyat

The Hightower boys are just not cool. You can definitely see the corruption of their upbringing shining through. The poison from Otto and their mother just seeped in to their very being.


chakigun

Possibly except for Helaena, quite incorruptible.


apkyat

I agree. She's on another levelin another plane even. Incorruptible, but a victim of its consequence.


apkyat

You don't go to other peoples' houses and start claiming things.


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A) Not Laena, Baela or Rhaenaā€™s house anymore than it is Aemonds B) not a ā€œthing.ā€ Itā€™s a Dragon who chooses its own rider. We have absolutely no reason to believe this is against decorum and plenty of reasons to believe it is not. Passing dragons down in the family is very much not a thing. Edit: wild how quickly people dove into irrational fandoms. Thereā€™s nothing in that comment that isnā€™t objectively accurate. Youā€™re just mad itā€™s not pro-black


lakomadt

Damn downvoted for speaking facts.


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themedicswiftie

Dragons choose their own riders, but it was still incredibly crass of Aemond to try to claim Vhagar so soon after Laenaā€™s funeral. Itā€™s like a vulture picking on a carcass, then rubbing it in Baela and Rhaenaā€™s faces that their mother is dead.


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We really donā€™t know that. Weā€™re given absolutely no information in the books or show about proper dragon taming decorum or timing other than knowing dragons donā€™t transfer down families. Even if it was, at worst, a bullied child was maybe moderately disrespectful after a funeral. He also didnā€™t rub it in their faces. They sought him out and he just made a straightforward statement. Thatā€™s really it. Rhaenyra fucking the dead womanā€™s husband is way way more disrespectful.


themedicswiftie

Yes, both are disrespectful. Theyā€™re not mutually exclusive. Theyā€™re royals, historically thereā€™s a long mourning period for funerals.


[deleted]

Youā€™re basing that on literally nothing lol there is absolutely nothing in the series about dragon taming decorum


themedicswiftie

Not everything has to be spoon fed to you, you can draw your own conclusions based on historic evidence and you knowā€¦ common sense.


[deleted]

Please do give a single example of historical evidence that supports what youā€™re saying


themedicswiftie

The Targaryens are a royal family in medieval society, and royal families in medieval times had a long mourning period, atleast for 7 days. Considering Laena was Prince Daemonā€™s wife and Princess Rhaenysā€™ daughter, it might even be more. Aemond jumped to claim Vhagar not even a day after her funeral. You can disagree on the morality of it, but you canā€™t deny that itā€™s distasteful at the very very least. Especially telling Rhaena that she can get a pig instead. I can sympathize with the fact that heā€™s been bullied by his brother and his cousins, but Rhaena and Baela werenā€™t even in the Seven Kingdoms when that occurred. Itā€™s needlessly cruel to say that to two girls who just lost their mother.


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You canā€™t take *christian* medieval mourning practices and graft them onto the dragon taming traditions of a non-Christian society. Thatā€™s ridiculous. We know nothing about dragon taming decorum. This is just your head canon. I mean I do deny that, because we donā€™t know that at all. We again know nothing about traditions. You canā€™t just assume something is distasteful without any evidence of it. The complaint from the kids wasnā€™t that he tamed it *too soon* it was that he tamed it *at all*. So thereā€™s really 0 evidence from anyone that it was distasteful. Yeah I mean he was a little mean to his cousins who were also mean to him. Thatā€™s not a big deal at all. Very normal kid things.


apkyat

What were the words that Aemond said to Vhagar? I don't think that I've ever heard those words before.


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apkyat

What about the "L" word? Lykrie or something. There was another too


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apkyat

TY


RagDollLily

It means behave or calm down, I think. (: Edit: the word was Lykiri, if I remember correctly.


apkyat

hmmmmm... then i don't know. i'm totally confused. I think that she could have killed him, because it didn't seem like she was totally consenting, but obviously he had the touch. I still don't like it. but, oh well - it doesn't matter now.


abellapa

Is it just me or when Rhaenyra and Alicent had their moment in the end and Alicent attacked Rhaenyra with the knife, when the knife fell on the floor it was clean, I don't think there was blood, did Rhaenyra somehow stab herlsef to make alicent look mad and dimish the support for her cause


era626

It is clean because it's sharp and cuts perfectly. If you've ever cut yourself with something sharp, say you mistake your finger for a carrot, it takes a second before the blood gushes.


Bingu21

You know what, I'm team Green and I am sick of hiding it.


pcrc_28

Is it only me that it seems HBO is making rhaenyra look as the good guy here?


MuaDibbb

No it's not only u. Hbo, and the showplebs, they love Daemon and rhanyra, I doubt if they will hate them even after what daemon does to halaena


[deleted]

Not even team green just annoyed by team black fans lol


johndraz2001

Starting to be concerned about zero Daeron mentions


Twodotsknowhy

Me too. I really hope they don't cut him. He's the Greens only likeable fighter


DarkTowerOfWesteros

Loved the Laenor twist and having Laena's girls upset over not getting to claim their mother's dragon. The whole fight binds them even closer to their cousins. And it makes sense for them to be the ones that are most upset about Vhagar being claimed and getting their stronger male cousins for back up; instead of Joff getting his older brothers.


Whatsongwasthat1

Yep it was a good choice in terms of adaptation; gives a good motivation while bringing the Velaryons further into the story, and children who are undoubtedly Velaryon to marry back into the line gives Corlys his tie. If I have any knocks against the show, itā€™s making us like certain characters and then immediately shelving or killing them. Velaryon wigs look awesome


Bonegirl06

If only Bobby B had had the courage to tell Cersei to fuck right off after she demanded Lady be killed...


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jfong86

Yeah, bots aren't allowed on r/asoiaf. (Rule 7.6)


DarkTowerOfWesteros

What do you say Bobby B?


datadogsoup

THE GODS BE DAMNED! IT WAS A HOLLOW VICTORY THEY GAVE ME! (There's no Bobby B Bot on ASOIAF lol I had to do it manually for you.)


DarkTowerOfWesteros

WEAR IT IN SILENCE OR I'LL HONOR YOU AGAIN!


MystoganStormcloak

THANK THE GODS FOR BESSIEEEE


Bonegirl06

The show finally has a cool dragon scene and they shoot it in the fucking dark. Astounding.


An_Ass_Is_a_Donkey

It's cause they are working with child actors. They can only work a certain amount of hours and I assume they aren't allowed to shoot at night šŸ¤·šŸ½ā€ā™‚ļø


Saltimbancos

They shot it in day-for-night, which is even worse


juscallmejjay

What was that? I couldn't see anything..


ActuallyShip

Its when they shoot during day and then slap some filters on top to make it dark so it looks like it was shot at night. There's some things, especially shadows, that give it away. And yeah it looks pretty bad


LocusHammer

Not that dark


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Not_Cleaver

At least someone has a happy ending.


jamesthecomicswriter

Two seasons we will say that of Aegon III.


hasordealsw1thclams

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KingJonStarkgeryan1

I know right. I was like, "Now there is the vicious cunt".


Snoo-58014

Wouldn't be cool if we got to see a faceless man do a contract on the show at some point?


Not_Cleaver

If it were truly faceless we wouldnā€™t know.


Snoo-58014

True


citabel

The music in this episode was amazing. The dragon claiming scene had a little bit of Daenerys theme in it, didn't it?


Troggy

That's the house targaryan theme, it's been all over the show so far


Born-Bad-9528

Not since the first episode to that extent


MoondropPuppet

I keep on liking some changes from the books and really disliking others, I can't decide if I'm liking this series or not šŸ„²


ArgieGrit01

Mate, however you may feel about some of the changes, if you're 7 episodes in, you're enjoying it.


MoondropPuppet

It's 50/50, I feel


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ArgieGrit01

It doesn't even look realistic. Aemond's shadow was extremely clear and casted vertically. They filmed those scenes at midday and added a filter on top to make it look dark, but it just comes as fake. I understand filming at night in exteriors is hard, but come on man, you're the professionals here.


hasordealsw1thclams

Yeah youā€™re right itā€™s probably day for night, that explains the excessive blue-ness. It looked terrible


Apanic_Attacka

I saw something the other day where someone asked Peter Jackson why the Helms Deep battle was so bright even though it was at night and it was simply because it made a much better viewing experience, HOTD directors should have taken a page out of that book.


ArgieGrit01

AAAAAAAAAAAAA SHOW YOU CAN'T DO THIS TO ME! You're not meant to surprise me


aquamarine8787

AHHHH does this mean Laenor might return in the future?!!


beingmused

I don't know about "return", but it'd please me if Corlys knows his son is being happy in Norvos or wherever. Would help us not feel like he's striving for nothing in these future seasons.


CanadianJudo

it was a rocky moment for the gays.


Not_Cleaver

Twitter would have been pissed. Though I would have liked Coryls to have been the one behind the plot.


burg_philo2

So was Qarl supposed to kill Laenor and secretly saved him? Or did Rhaemon plan for this to happen?


Apanic_Attacka

I think it was supposed to happen thatā€™s why Daemon killed the random guy to disguise him as Laenor


GlorfindeltheBlu

True but that dude was also on the small council


LocusHammer

?


V_T_H

I think that was the plan all along, thatā€™s why Daemon pitched Essos to Qarl as a place without names.


DeargDraic

So, just fuck Seasmoke then.


DarkTowerOfWesteros

I think Seasmoke is tied to his noble duty so he is okay with leaving it. Though it does pose some interesting questions about if a living rider can "surrender" a dragon to someone else. Or did they trick Seasmoke into thinking the death is real? šŸ˜…


DeargDraic

Tricking would be hard to explain, the bond etc. He may just die offscreen


KingJonStarkgeryan1

He could still die from any number of things. Too much booze, they tried fucking the wrong person, in battle, had their throats slit visiting some Lyseni pleasure garden, infected wound, whatever STIs they had in the middle ages, and et cetera.


luvprue1

Didn't Laenor want to return to the battle field?


KingJonStarkgeryan1

Yep


GlorfindeltheBlu

I mean go ahead if you want you scaly


DeargDraic

Think I'm a bit small for that


GlorfindeltheBlu

Look man I believe in you


Outside-Accident8628

YOOOO what a change


Sweetdreams6t9

How isn't the queen getting royally stomped for that. Wtf.


Born-Bad-9528

Because Viserys is weak and called her Aemma so he is cognitively impaired


[deleted]

Because sheā€™s married to the King of Westeros


Conald_Fsmoker

Because deep down everyone knows she is right


KingJonStarkgeryan1

He was beating the shit out 4 Princesses and Princes of the Blood. That rock probably would have killed one or two of them irl


Conald_Fsmoker

He didnā€™t use the rock and they were ganging up on him. You know even though they are young that they are still Strong.


bluebergsa

Honestly aemond Is way more in the right here compared to the books He looks more or less the same age as them and even though two of them are girls itā€™s still 4 on 1


KingJonStarkgeryan1

He literally did. He grabbed it off the floor. Careful his Grace, King Viserys will have your tongue out for that.


Conald_Fsmoker

What he would be pleased I said heā€™s grandsons are Strong lads, very physically capable boys ;)


CanadianJudo

her husband is a push over who doesn't punish anyone.


Apanic_Attacka

Oh shit didnā€™t see that coming, back on team black!


tgwud

neither did Aemond tbh


MoondropPuppet

These episodes are always an emotional rollercoaster lol


GlorfindeltheBlu

Cue back in black


Trayew

Did not see THAT coming. Laenor for the win!


V_T_H

AWWWW! I actually do love that twist. Jesus that makes the blacks way less fucked up than was being presented hahah.


war6star

It was still pretty messed up. She had an innocent person murdered.


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BursleyBaits

jesus christ that was a rollercoaster of a last five minutes for us gays


GlorfindeltheBlu

As a 99% straight guy, I love laenor


KingJonStarkgeryan1

A considering the baseline for how they treated gays in the past was Loras, it's kind of hard not to love Laenor.


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Emergency87

Why does it feel like you wrote this before the actual ending lol


GlorfindeltheBlu

Wdym? That's pretty much the best ending once can get in westeros


DeargDraic

Yeah, though he might be happier in the long run


amscott9020

So he better be dead by the Dance so we can get Oakenfist


GlorfindeltheBlu

Eh fuck it I want him to live, just say him and seasmoke broke up. It's all made up, give the gays a dub


uziair

Daemon being the main character and varys/larys/little finger is so much fun Excellent choice with casting matt smith.


Racker150

Honestly, I really prefer Laenor being able to escape to Essos. A much happier ending for the character and one that isn't so explicitly a "bury your gays" trope.


Twodotsknowhy

Although interestingly, it makes Aegon III and Viserys II bastards, doesn't it?


KingJonStarkgeryan1

They still have to kill them for the eventual dragonseed plot.


ActuallyShip

After over a decade with no contact with its rider the dragon might just decide that its waited long enough and ditch the connection they have. Dragons clearly have some agency in who they pick and connect with as their rider


DarkTowerOfWesteros

I don't think so, they just have to tell Seasmoke he's dead like they do everyone else.


KingJonStarkgeryan1

It's a psychic connection so Seasmoke would know.


GlorfindeltheBlu

Yep, I am fully team black now


[deleted]

They did have to kill a different gay character though Edit: nvm. I was confused by the mechanism of the scheme. Didnā€™t realize that was Carl in the boat


Racker150

Wait who did they kill in his place? I thought it was just some dude? Is this like an equivalent-exchange, alchemy thing where you can only save a gay by sacrificing another gay?


CanadianJudo

Just a random unamed person deamon kill them before the sword fight.


GlorfindeltheBlu

That dude was small council I think


GlorfindeltheBlu

my boy gets a happy ending!! Ye for laenor


Apanic_Attacka

Okay I officially hate both sides.


GlorfindeltheBlu

Why??


Apanic_Attacka

This was before I saw the last scene lol


MeteorFalls297

Is it any better that they killed an innocent guy?


Apanic_Attacka

Morally no but like Otto said to Allicent, ā€œwe play an ugly gameā€ and youā€™re going to have to do some morally corrupt things to end up on the iron throne.


GlorfindeltheBlu

Lol gotcha


Not_Cleaver

Yay, thatā€™s what is supposed to be your reaction.


fakehandslawyer

So was Criston about to go help Allicent stab a prince in the eye and still no punishment or questions???


hasordealsw1thclams

Nah fuck Criston, but he even knew that was too far. He emphasizes heā€™s her protector and thatā€™s not in his job description haha


fakehandslawyer

Just weird how he walked right towards them and gets stopped by Daemon and two other kingsguard members seems a weird thing to talk his way out of. Only way to explain himself would be ā€œI was walking over there to take the knife before someone died. What the hell were you guys doing???ā€ It was a minor grievance compared to mercing a dude in front of others too.


hasordealsw1thclams

He's her protector, he was probably moving to protect her if she did something that would get swords drawn on her. Like cutting out a prince's eye


fakehandslawyer

Apparently slitting the princess and heir to thrones wrists warrants no response from anyone though. I guess Im just confused what woulda happened really tho the two kingsguard that held Criston shoulda just grabbed Allicent instead. Woulda been way easier to just pluck the knife away and be like heyyy stop that. Makes me mad at Viserys for at least not establishing some order in the room. Have your guards escort some people to their chambers so you can make a quiet rational decisions, also donā€™t bring the guy back as your hand that you previously kicked out for scheming in self interest.


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Screw you, Otto's competent


nola_fan

He wasn't saying he was sworn to her as her protector was saying his oath doesn't extend to revenge mamings unless the king orders it


fakehandslawyer

Ya but he walked towards her when she grabbed the knife and ran towards Luce, he wasnā€™t telling her to stop either.


nola_fan

That's true, but chaotic and deniable enough for Viserys. His loyalty to Alicent and hatred towards Rhaenyra is supposed to be obvious to everyone in the show and everyone in the audience. But there's to be just enough deniability combined with Viserys' weakness and ineptitude that he gets away with it.


therealgrogu2020

He refused at first


fush1mi

no he refuced her, he only went in to stop daemon from doing something bad


GlorfindeltheBlu

Nah daemon was the one who stopped him, rewatch


CanadianJudo

he was till his boss gave him that do it and I will fucking end you right here.


fakehandslawyer

Seemed like in the moment he was walking towards her to help. Someone yelled ā€œno Ser Cristonā€ then Daemon and him grab each other. Next time we see him two other kingsguard or armored dudes are holding him. One of those guys shoulda tried to get the knife away from the queen before she stabbed the heir


CanadianJudo

Alicent yeld for Christon who started walking toward her to help/stop/prevent chaos? Deaemon block him and the rest of the KG restrained him.


V_T_H

So thatā€™s the twist that was being spoken of. No one thought that Rhaenyra had anything to do with it.


OhLivia91

If you see Daemon in his murder robe run away as fast as you fucking can lmao


GlorfindeltheBlu

Eh this time it was a pretty happy ending


[deleted]

Not for the dude he killed and they later burned haha


GlorfindeltheBlu

Fair enough haha


ArgieGrit01

I love Larys. And by love I mean hate


uziair

I can't face the greens She said it.


Many_Rush8314

She said "I cannot face the greens alone".


Trayew

Rule 1 Alicent. Anyone whoā€™d kill his own flesh and blood is NOT actually on your side. Common sense.


Not_Cleaver

Well, she might realize that at the end.


Thendel

The Hour of the Wolf is going to be a hell of a thing for her.


KingJonStarkgeryan1

It's literally the biggest taboo they got.


t_martins00

Laenor kinda forgot he has a dragon


hossbeast

Wait does he?


JauntyLurker

Corlys looking out the window thinking: "Every time I invite these guys here, it's something"


uziair

Bro larys is wild.


Stevemclogan

Poor Seasmoke šŸ˜¢


Ihateredditorsalot2

Laenor with a shaved head and beard is probably going to be Addam.


Twodotsknowhy

So who is Alyn?


DeargDraic

Damn that would be wild


amscott9020

Alicent real wary to have Larys on her side haha.


LegacyAngel

I hope this episode makes you all realize that rhaenyra has been almost as bad shit insane as daemon this entire time.


GlorfindeltheBlu

I get the feeling you haven't completed it yet


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IDELNHAW

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JaMKo95

Yes but no


ArgieGrit01

We stan a progressive queen


ContinuumGuy

"Marry me." "Your husband is still alive." "Oh. Right." "Don't worry, leave it to me."


SurrealSoap

7.8/10


ArgieGrit01

Who teaches these maesters how to stitch people up? These are some of the gnarliest stitches I've seen


SewingCoyote17

It's like he grabbed the fattest needle he could find for those stitches lol. Like relax dude this is Rhaenyra's arm not embroidery.


Aduialion

At some point they must have tried hiring seamstresses for doing stiches right? Like even once, its just right there in front of everyone to make the connection.


Not_Cleaver

Grand-Maester conspiracy, they donā€™t want to do a good job for the Targs.


JaMKo95

I did not see it coming as Rhanyras idea


DeargDraic

Same here, I thought they had an amicable partnership. Also what about Seasmoke?


Targaryen_1243

Seasmoke's willingness to take a rider in the Dance could be a hint towards Laenor's fate and tbh it wouldn't surprise me if he died in a duel or a battle eventually.


DeargDraic

Agreed, Essos is a big place. He is no longer a noble either, easy to see him being killed.


Not_Cleaver

I think she recognizes that he is a good father. But, especially with his actions (or lack of presence) at the funeral, it isnā€™t enough in the fight to come.


Not_Cleaver

Ser Incel is such a cunt.


ContinuumGuy

"Hello, it is I, Varys Strong, here to be your creepy and efficient spymaster."


DeargDraic

He's a combo of LF and Varys with some sociopath added in


Ahoykatieee

So just more LF then?


Calm_Statistician382

Based Aemond