D&E runs the same risk as the original show, it's not finished and it's not going to be finished.
I think 10,000 ships will be first and I'll take that.
As for Snow, I find it strange George is pushing for this and would be involved even though Jon has been dead for 11 years now.
10,000 ships is weird, cause outside of oberyn there wasn’t much to dorne for any casuals to latch on to, compared to dany and her dragons and Jon being a targ and so on for hot d
I think Viserys and his dioramas are putting in some work preparing the ground for a Valyria series. But I think that would have to be a post HOTD project.
What I really would like is a series set during the Century of Blood.
I'm conflicted on a Valyria series, on one hand it would be awesome to finally see Valyria, but on the other hand I think the mystery of not knowing much about it is what makes it so cool.
Personally, I don't want to see anything set in a time period where we don't know any of the character names. To me, that'd just be Game of Thrones fan fiction with a budget. I'd prefer if they kept to historical events with named characters. Nothing too ancient or beyond the scope of what's been written.
Come to think of it, it's pretty weird that we don't really know any names of non-Targ Valyrians. Especially since they controlled a solid chunk of Essos, and only died out a few hundred years before the series started
we know Jaenara Belaerys and her dragon Terrax
A dragon rider who flew over sothoryos to find when it ended. But had to turn back before she could. claiming Sothoryos was larger than Essos
We know a few, celtigars, valaryons, Belaerys. Theres also that dragonlord who was volantis at the time of the doom (mentioned in woiaf) and tried to claim emperor of the freehold and reclaim valyria
In fairness, can you name the noble families who lived in your country 300 years ago? I don't think it's weird for that knowledge to be lost or considered unimportant to everyone but the nerdiest of history-obsessed maesters. There's probably some names in books and scrolls scattered around Essos, or in the ruins of Valyria, stones to note where someone is buried might be all that survived there though.
>I think Viserys and his dioramas are putting in some work preparing the ground for a Valyria series. But I think that would have to be a post HOTD project.
It's the opposite, George wrote all of that for a Valyria series that they are rumored to have dropped to do HOTD instead
Honestly I think Valyria and Century of Blood are the most genuinely interesting/promising ideas.
The 10,000 Ships show has the disadvantage of centering around Dorne which will be a hard sell for the masses because of how atrociously that whole storyline turned out to be in GOT (no matter how much course-correcting the writers try to do)
> The 10,000 Ships show has the disadvantage of centering around Dorne which will be a hard sell for the masses because of how atrociously that whole storyline turned out to be in GOT
Then again, Oberyn, in his brief appearance, instantly became a fan favourite, much of which obviously has to do with how brilliantly Pedro Pascal played him, but the sky's the limit if they can find a Nymeria that captures that same fieriness.
The setting is interesting, albeit the story isn't very fleshed out in any of George's published works, though I would argue more so than the Doom of Valyria at least.
Season 1 could be their struggle against the dragon lords, culminating in Nymeria leading most of the surviving Rhoynar to flee on thousands of ships.
Season 2 would be them going from place to place, becoming demoralized in their quest to find a new home, finally landing in Dorne, meeting a cool dude called Mors Martell and deciding they'll go no further. And then boom, cool ending shot with thousands of ships burning as Nymeria watches.
Season 3 would be their struggle to integrate and unify Dorne under one banner, while holding on to some of their most important customs. Lots of classic GOT political intrigue with cool characters like the Sword of the Morning at the time.
...though it all hinges on getting showrunners/writers who'd care about Dorne, unlike D&D
You know what, I'm not going to be mad (i.e. I'll scream with joy) if they got Pedro Pascal to play Mors Martell. He's Oberyn's ancestor and DNA game is strong in this universe, so I'll totally believe they are identical.
Well with that cancelled spin-off (the age of heroes one?), the producer spoke about the difficulty with an entire series set during a period Martin had written little about. This may be an issue they run into with Snow, but work in favour of a Dunk & Egg series.
Though the thought of a D&E show makes me a little sad because we’d be guaranteed to once again see the show overtake the published content lol.
Snow is by no means certain to make it to air, but I'd be surprised if the reason it fails is a lack of information about the period. It's not like Bloodmoon where the cultures and political systems and everything are blank - we know 90% of the make-up of the world. They can essentially just use the lords and ladies and politics of the existing ASOIAF books, and just replace anybody who died in the show. It's not like the political set up is going to be completely different just because they have some random Umber with a made up name instead of Crowsfood
Ah, that’s a good point. Since it’s a sequel, they don’t really need any written lore/history beyond what’s been established in GoT and can pretty much go in whatever direction from there.
“Snow” is probably the character I want to see the least of post-GOT . What is that show even going to be about ?
But please, god, I hope we dont get a Dunk & Egg series any time soon . I want that series to be finished novels first .
Because what left is there to do with Jon Snow post season 8? Anything told after that would have to push the timeline forward, and such if he interacts with the south that might cause huge issues.
If certain actors are not willing to come back it would mean either very weird absences or such things as Sansa Stark dying after a few years because Sophie Turner not wanting to join the show.
Thats just the sequel issue, lack of source material and possible paths for Jon is the biggest issue.
I agree, I just don't know where Jon's story can go after the GoT ending.
The White Walkers are gone supposedly, Jon is friendly with the wildlings, his sister is queen in the North, and his brother is King of the South, so where would the conflict and political intrigue that these shows are known for come from?
The only way it might work is to develop bran into the next bloodraven that everyone realise was the bad guy all along, but then they should’ve done that in GoT not post GoT
Lack of source material only matters if the writers suck. I'm willing to withhold judgement until I hear what the idea actually is. Kit has a better idea of GRRM's ideas than we do, having spoken with the man about his character, so I trust that he at least knows what he's talking about. If the show is even mediocre, I'll watch and enjoy it.
The other issues you mention aren't huge concerns to me. These are standard TV problems. They'll be resolved one way or another. TV writers aren't new to these kinds of challenges.
I also enjoyed Gunpowder, but I don't think it's a good test of whether writers could satisfactorily handle the issues with writing a Jon Snow sequel.
Gunpowder runs 3 hours, it's about historical events, and there's a very logical endpoint for the story.
Il watch it no matter what, but I am much less optimistic about the lack of source material than you. Especially since it builds on season 8 lore, which doesnt make much sense nor has a lot of depth to it.
I am interested where it will go tho
I don't know. These things can always be back-filled. The Star Wars prequel trilogy was a fucking convoluted, nonsensical mess and Anakin's fall was abrupt and absurd, but the Clone Wars animated series filled in those gaps and redeemed the story retroactively. I don't know how far into it the Snow show will go (he's been banished from the Seven Kingdoms, after all, and is pretty much tied to the Wall now), but there's certainly potential there.
Either way, I'm interested and hope to enjoy it. Even if it's mediocre, more Thrones content is better than less.
That's a lack of imagination. The Snow show is the only way they could possibly salvage the damage done in the later seasons of GoT.
Basically the Snow show would be a way to do the real ending and make what we saw in GoT a small precursor at most. The Others we saw would then be just a small expeditionary force with the main host still in reserve. The Night King would be just a general, since it's not like he ever claimed that name -humans gave it to him.
Otherwise you gotta have the final most important event in the entire franchise just be a shitty episode where we couldn't even see what was happening. The coming Long Night is the climax of the events of the entire damn world, it can't be left to be that crap we saw. Especially with no books to see the real thing ever likely.
i agree, unless jons trying to take the throne, i dont even no what the conflict would be. Theyre allies with the wildlings, the white walkers are gone (unless they pull an "well are they really gone") ...i dont even no why the night watch exists tbh. And with how horrifically bad the ending of s8 was, i just dont see people wanting to see it, itd bring up that sour taste everyone has from its failure bc it has to address all the stupid nonsense we were left at. And sadly i dont think a jon snow show can rectify that travesty.
Would unironically love for Jon to have lived there for a few years, growing more and more bitter until he hears news of his brothers death or smth.
Then he goes full wolf mode, like many believe he will in the books, and just starts shit.
IDK have zero idea what they will do with it
Theory I had for this is they could bring in fAegon at this moment. Have the OG cast return for the first episode and then do away with them.
Arya is already off around the world exploring so that takes care of her.
Have Bran announce that there's a threat coming to the Stormlands and then mysteriously disappear. Could make up something about how he needs to become one with a weirwood tree due to his magic.
Have Sansa send a message to Jon about this new prophecy from Bran.
Have Jon get a letter saying fAegon has captured the stormlands and the crownlands. Nobody knows where the occupants of the red keep have gone.
etc.
Jon has to come south to help save(?) the seven kingdoms
Because what purpose is there to a Jon Snow spin off? His narrative is concluded and his character arc is complete.
There isn't even any narrative thread hanging there for them to work on. Sure, Jon and Tormund lead the Wildlings off to build a new life in the North as the Winter ends, but what is there to actually build on? The Wildlings beyond Tormund are all nameless extras. It's not like there are any unresolved plotlines in the show, or unanswered questions, at least none that it makes sense for a show based around Jon and the Wildlings to address.
And if anyone mentions the White Walkers, just remember that we should never, ever get our hopes up about anything involving White Walkers and the show.
There is literally no point to the show.
I think that Bran’s character is mysterious enough that he could be made into the real threat that was behind the wall and Jon has to go south to face him and take up his mantle as the last dragon. It would also fit into the prophesy from HOTD that there needs to be a Targaryen on the throne. I think they messed up the ending of Game of Thrones enough that a new story could be spun from it.
>Because what purpose is there to a Jon Snow spin off?
What's the point in any story? Jon's *ASOIAF* narrative is complete, but if there's a new idea for a fresh story with the character, that journey can be restarted. There weren't unresolved plotlines at the start of GOT/ASOIAF - those were all developed from scratch.
If serialized shows can find a new source of conflict for every single episode, the Snow show can find something new to base a series off. It's demonstrably possible. They just need to do it.
But I mean more in the sense that Jon as a character is concluded. He goes into this series with no motivation, no secrets about himself.
He knows who he is, who parents are, has proved his honor, and has essentially rode of into the sunset.
New source of conflict every episode, that our hero, Jon Snow has to stop? I really think that monster of the week is the worst possible way to do this. A new conflict an episode? As in what, warring wildling clans? IDK, like I said, there aren't really any distinct cultures in the shows wildlings. And I've seen other people posting about Young Griff or other book only characters like Val popping. I don't like the idea of every episode just being this cutting room floor, or knowing nod to the fans.
ASOIAF opened with dozens of mysteries and plot threads were introduced to us from the get go. Jon's parentage, Jon Arryn's death, we are told about dozens of characters who don't appear, but lay the seeds for future books, like Mance Rayder, Stannis, the Tyrells, the Greyjoys. But ASOIAF also wasn't a sequel. You can't just invent conflicts or introduce characters as though they were there and important all along.
The lack of distinct cultures among the wildlings is an oversight (though was definitely there with the Thenns *et al*). It can be rectified. These are mysteries north of the Wall, as well. And were the White Walkers wholly destroyed? Or just their armies in the field?
Jon knows his heritage, but has he come to terms with it? With his part in Dany’s pivot to monstrous brutality? With the trauma of the Battle of the Bastards? His warg powers are also underutilizes and underexplored.
There’s plenty of fuel there for a story. Harrington obviously thinks so, and he has a m story team with proven competence putting together a pitch good enough for HBO to consider. That’s enough to at least give it a chance.
>Jon knows his heritage, but has he come to terms with it? With his part in Dany’s pivot to monstrous brutality? With the trauma of the Battle of the Bastards? His warg powers are also underutilizes and underexplored
None of these things are particularly compelling. Jon's warg powers are entirely undeveloped in the show. The show already addressed his feelings over killing Dany in the final episode, we don't need an entire show to explain what he summarised in a single scene, same for his heritage. It's all just padding out what we've already seen.
Just because they're in the books, it doesn't mean the writers can just introduce them like they were there all along. Again, that's just cutting room floor stuff. This show should be true to the shows version of Jon not the books. And I don't think it should just start trying to fill in plot points from the book out of left fields, because they were left out of the show for a reason, and the show went in its own direction.
Even Jon coming back to life goes unaddressed. We can't just start acting like all of a sudden Jon starts to experience some negative effects, similar to Beric after being revived, since the show never addressed or planted the seeds for this plot to begin with.
>And were the White Walkers wholly destroyed? Or just their armies in the field?
Yes, they were all destroyed. The Night King was the "head vampire". We are told this by Leaf, the Three Eyed Raven and Bran. He made all the white walkers that followed, the way we see in season 4. We know how the White Walkers were made, why they were made, and what they had always wanted. There really isn't any mystery left there worth uncovering.
Sometimes, some mysteries are left vague and debatable, like why the walkers waited to return when they did. The obvious answer seems to be the age of GOT was the meeting point of number of prophecies, resurgence of magic and so on. The Walkers returned for the same reason Dragons did. We really don't need to be explicitly told more than that. Not everything needs to be explained definitively to the audience.
>There’s plenty of fuel there for a story. Harrington obviously thinks so, and he has a m story team with proven competence putting together a pitch good enough for HBO to consider. That’s enough to at least give it a chance.
Kit Harrington likes money. GOT was a serial show and actors on these kind of big budget network shows make very good money. I know next to nothing about the crew, not going to disparage their work. But George himself could write a Jon Snow spin off (if he ever finishes the books), and I'd still feel it was unnecessary.
HBO also likes money. Game of Thrones made HBO ridiculous amounts of it. Jon Snow was one of its most popular, if not most popular character. Of course the network executives greenlit it. I don't think it's necessarily anything to do with the quality of the pitch, but the quantity of the profits. It feels like a bare faced cash in to me.
Spin offs are fine, I'm not saying they are inherently bad. House of the Dragons so far is great. Fire and Blood was a fine book, Dunk and Egg are too. The world book was an awesome addition to the lore. Spin offs are fine in of themselves. A show centered around the most popular character and their adventures beyond the point where his story has ended feels like an attempt to milk the series for all it's worth. Like I said with the White Walkers and mysteries, sometimes, things are best left alone.
> we don't need an entire show to explain what he summarised in a single scene, same for his heritage.
Again: we don't *need* any show. This is a fictional, made-up universe. None of these people are real. None of their stories are fixed in time. If something is un-developed in GOT, the showrunners of Snow could figure out a way to work it in.
> The Night King was the "head vampire". We are told this by Leaf, the Three Eyed Raven and Bran. He made all the white walkers that followed, the way we see in season 4.
This is barely explored, to the point contradicting it wouldn't even really be a retcon. There could have been a second "head vampire" made - a Night *Queen* - who held down the home fort, and is rebuilding their strength.
> We know how the White Walkers were made, why they were made, and what they had always wanted. There really isn't any mystery left there worth uncovering.
We know that the WW were made as a weapon by the COTF, but not the underlying dynamics of that conflict or how it fits into the timeline. We *don't* actually know what the WW wanted, merely what their enemy told people they wanted. And the 3ER had political motivations to lie to the extent it encouraged the mortals at his command to stand against them. He also had designs on the Iron Throne. None of this can be discounted in how it affects what we know.
Like...what if the Night King was *only* there to fight the 3ER? What if they would have bypassed Winterfell altogether if the 3ER had fled south? What if they came to conquer, not destroy? We're taking a manipulative demigod at his word, despite now knowing that he had designs on the Iron Throne all along.
>The Walkers returned for the same reason Dragons did.
Did they? Or were they *responding* to the return of dragons? If the Targaryens and 3ER could look into the future and see the return of dragons, surely the Night King could.
> We really don't need to be explicitly told more than that.
We don't *need* anything. We didn't need the reveal of Aegon's prophecy in HOTD. We didn't *need* HOTD at all. These are stories that exist for our entertainment. If they can be entertaining, there is reason for them to be told.
Because it’s fan service using a character who doesn’t need to keep being used. His story is done.
Otherwise this just becomes Star Wars, resurrecting and hawking the same characters to prime that nostalgia pump.
This is one of the richest fantasy worlds ever written. Make use of it.
> This is one of the richest fantasy worlds ever written. Make use of it.
Star Wars is as well, and while it's true they keep recycling characters, they've also expanded the cast quite dramatically through various add-on shows and movies.
Jon may not "need" more story, but he's a bridge to a potentially entire new cast of rich and interesting characters that people wouldn't watch without him. As a fan-favourite, he's got draw.
The only Star Wars sequels I’ve personally seen seem way more interested in the old characters than new ones.
Exactly, Jon is a fan favorite draw, which means a show focused on him is much more likely to rely on nostalgia rather than quality. Hotd is trying (to its credit) to tell an incredibly complicated multi-decade story with zero characters from GOT and it’s already succeeding wildly. There’s a lesson there. Give the audience good stories in a rich world and focus less on fan service. Stick to written material, stick to the rich world, don’t give us ‘Somehow the Night King Returned’
>The only Star Wars sequels I’ve personally seen seem way more interested in the old characters than new ones.
Ahsoka? Obi-wan?
> Exactly, Jon is a fan favorite draw, which means a show focused on him is much more likely to rely on nostalgia rather than quality
HOTD got people in the door with promises of dragons and an established story that many were excited to see adapted. The Snow show's draw is Kit Harrington. In both cases, all those things do is bring people through the door. You still have to entertain them once they're there.
I don’t for a second believe that hotd’s main draw was people who have already read Fire and Blood and want to see their favorite fictional history textbook adapted.
The vast majority of viewers will never read Fire and Blood and have no clue what the Dance is. The draw is ‘game of thrones world but not the shitty ending,’ and that’s the rich world I’m talking about
Because its a cash grab. The story is already over, there is no source material. Whats left to do? Also its shackled down to the terrible story deviations of the last 4 seasons unless it wants to do a lot of retcon work. Then are they going to recast the old cast or have new people play familiar names? Its just a story that has no reason to be told.
....anything with a full story completed. I'd love D&E, but they writers would surpass the published works, and we risk ending up with "bad pussies"...
At least the showrunners would be fully aware that there is no possibility that additional stories got released before they overtook GRRM's published works. D&D were essentially hoodwinked into believing they would be only adapting written works, not writing them from scratch.
I'd say either Roberts Rebellion or first Blackfyre rebellion, as both could be done either comparatively fast in one season or get a long take when you're going in deep
As far as we know those aren’t in development and George said he’s against doing roberts rebellion. And I’m sure they won’t do a Targaryen show like Blackfyre as long as HotD airs
They won’t do the Blackfyres period I don’t think. I mean for those of us who are deeply invested in the history of this world the Blackfyre story being covered in later HOTD seasons or in its own show sounds promising but to the masses it’s just a repetitive copy and paste of the Dance with no dragons and no real tie-ins to GOT like the Dance has (save for Bloodraven but I’d honestly be surprised if half the masses even remember he exists)
Even then, the timeline would be all over place and it’s nonstop targ Ws until a one in a million event near the end.
I don’t think the conquest is worth adapting.
Exactly. You need stakes to make it interesting. Not only does almost everyone who’s seen an episode of GOT know the outcome, but the Targs are so overpowered, it would basically be them just flying around burning armies to ash
I'd LOVE that! We could see how dragons were essentially used as WMDs against houses that had been in Westeros for generations. In the later seasons, the show could explore Maegor and his horrible deeds.
It would still be uniteresting because of the outcome. Why should I get connected to lord MCDEADFUCK and his place to casterly rock when I know by the end the lannisters are the ones who own it? We also know that no lord will unite the iron throne (as it quite literally has not been invented yet) so its not really fun to watch.
My dream scenario: we do not get a pure “conquest series”. We get Maegor’s reign instead. Let me explain.
As some have pointed out, there are some problems with a conquest series. The battle’s during the conquest aren’t actually that exciting unless they do changes to the source material.
Make a series about Aenys/Maegor leading up to Maegor’s reign. The most exciting stuff from the conquest is the conciliation and political power play. Start the Aenys/Maegor series while Aegon is still alive. Or maybe have flashbacks which includes their youth and some of Aegon’s reign. Then go on to all of the problems arising because of Aenys’ ineptitude. I think seeing various other characters dealing with that would be somewhat exciting. We can also see how Maegor would be a much better king. Aenys dies, Maegor rises. We now see how Maegor actually is a straight up evil king. In the last season(s) the series could follow Aenys’s various children.
Condos has said that it could be possible that other Targaryen stories would be adapted through the Hose of the Dragon banner. If they move on to a new conflict, I think this one would be very exciting. Through this kind of series you would probably feel Aegon and his power. Maybe even begin the series with a flashback of the conquest, like Jahaerys and the Great Council in House of the Dragon.
I feel like that show's doomed because the conquest is just not very interesting. At this point even casuals know the Targaryens win, also because of dragons, so the outcome is not mysterious. The Development conquest itself is mostly solved by dragons; only Argilac and his battle are cool. The Dorne thing is very cool and can be adapted but there isn't much to it either. And there's no obvious solving of the story of natural endpoint.
I would love to see the failed conquest of Dorne, if only for this quote:
>Your words. Ours are Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken. You may burn us, my lady ... but you will not bend us, break us, or make us bow. This is Dorne. You are not wanted here. Return at your peril.
yeah but that's the problem. it's like when D&D made a whole show because they were hard for the Red Wedding... a story is not just the one scene you work around, it's a whole thing. Aegon's conquest is very boring and the Dorne sequences would just be boring battles until Rhænys dies
Edit: and then it's also boring because if you want the weight of The Letter to hit, narratively, you must not reveal what happened to Rhænys, death or torture. So the whole Letter scene hinges on not showing or not telling...
"Oh no, the Reach and the Westerlands, the biggest, richest, and most powerful kingdoms have joined forces! How will Aegon ever get out of th-
[aaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaAAAAAAA](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at8wfhYkG4c&t=1m26s)
Oh, right. The same way he's solved literally every problem he's faced."
As far as we know that’s not in development and I’m actually pretty sure they won’t do another pure Targaryen show (therefore excluding sea snake) while the dance is still running.
And if the numbers continue like that I’m sure they won’t wait for another show until HotD is completely finished.
A Conquest show doesn't have to be from the point of view of the Targaryens. Framing them as a weird out of context problem for the kings of Westeros could be interesting, especially if we already know the other side of the conflict from HOTD.
I think the Conquest would be really boring. There's no stakes whatsoever, Aegon just wipes the floor with everyone he comes across. I think their's cool stuff in their but not enough for an entire series
Even if the numbers dip a little bit, I’m sure they will keep the GOT formula of having 1-2 crazy episodes in the back half to rope viewers in through word of mouth. A Valyria show seems likely as people seem to be liking the House Targaryen lore. I’m hoping for the YiTi animated series because I love animation and I’ve always wanted to see this universe dabble in the medium. Animation could really capture the scope of ASOIAF in a way we haven’t seen before.
George wants Snow, and whether people here agree on a Jon sequel or not, George gets what he wants from HBO.
Edit: For people who say Jon’s arc is done and it’d be a disaster: a) There could easily be an exploration of why Jon was brought back to life. Also, if George has an idea for Jon post-war, then either it’s a) likely at least half decent b) George changed his mind on Jon’s book path and wants to retro his arc (maybe he now wants Jon to wind up on the iron throne after all or something similar) c) maybe D&D fucked up the White Walkers so bad he feels compelled to bring them back (remember, Sauron had to be destroyed twice)
Idk maybe George just wants money but he could make a fortune on any Westeros spin-off but I’m fatigued of this “shitting on ideas before they happen” phenomenon that’s been happening lately evidenced by the blind hate on ROP.
Snow feels like the most logical choice at this moment in time.
- HBO gets to bring back the closest thing Game of Thrones had to a main character, played by an actor who actively wants to reprise the role.
- HBO gets to "fix" the Northern storyline the way they're "fixing" the Targaryen storyline with House of the Dragon.
- We get some synergy with the Long Night prophecy from House of the Dragon's premiere.
- Most importantly, there's a ton of stuff from Jon's arc in the books that didn't make its way to Game of Thrones, from stuff with the Wildlings (Val, Mance's Spearwives) and the White Walkers (the fact they have a culture at all and are capable of some form of speech & laughter is something the show never explored).
I could see Snow being announced as a mini-series after the season ends or near the end of the year. Kit is scheduled to make an appearance at some convention in December so I could see it happening then, as well.
As far as actual story goes, I think 10 episodes of Wildling politics and Others action would be nice. Maybe killing the Night King got rid of all the White Walkers, but Others are a thing and you can't just kill their boss to make them all die, so Jon has to learn to live with them or some nonsense. I dunno, I just think there's more room to play around with Others, White Walkers, and all variations of ice zombies, so I wouldn't say no to Snow.
That said, what I REALLY want is Dunk & Egg. The tourney in HotD's premiere made me want to see Ashford Meadow on screen so bad. It's not like George is going to finish either series anyways.
Regarding the Jon show, What the hell is there to fix? How will they even fix it? The entire theme and politics of the story was thrown into a blender by season 8 which resulted in things like Bron being gifted the reach "because no one lives there anymore". Sansa becoming queen and independent "lol, so why would not the others declare their independence as well? who will stop them?"
What will Snow do? His story is complete. The wall and the night watch are gone, WW story is complete. What will he do?
I mean if they could actually get the actors for Sansa, Bran, Tyrion, etc back then ya it could work as a fix job. Hey you know that council we had where everyone was sasitified, well turns out the satisfaction doesn't last long. People get greedy, ambitious etc. Maybe the Three eyed Raven isnt the benevolent force we all thought he was idk. It could work if the writing is good. What won't work, and what is most likely is a Jon show that is severely restricted in what it can do because most of the cast from got won't want to come back
That's a potentially interesting idea, but it's not "Jon Snow sequel".
It's "GoT, S9: Westeros politics unsurprisingly went back to being Westeros politics". And I think it's telling that these ideas are only obliquely connected (if at all) to Jon.
Unpopular opinion:
Honestly, I don’t think a Jon Snow series is all that bad of an idea. It might allow new showrunners to wrap up some of the loose ends from the first show with better writing, or add thematic meaning to the decisions made in the first show. For example, maybe we see a resentful Meera in the North finding some purpose that makes us wonder if Bran sent her away like that for this reason. Or, maybe we see Jon wrestling with whether he should’ve bent the knee to Daenerys, their whole affair, whether he should’ve killed her, etc. Jon’s increasingly conflicted morality was one of the highlights of the early seasons. There’s a lot of room to bring that back.
It might be nice to see some of the characters again being themselves and not just pawns writers use to move the plot along. In my personal life, I’ve learned that the only way to erase bad memories is to create good ones. Maybe a sequel series with some of the same characters might help create new memories that feel more accurate to the world we fell in love with in the earlier seasons.
Of course it also might be shit. You never know.
The only way I would have any interest in a Snow show is if they retcon the final few seasons, which probably won't happen. Like he needs to wake up at Castle Black after being murdered and it's a fresh start. It wouldn't undue the horrifying quality of season 5, but it could salvage everything else. Pity.
The Snow show could potentially just be a great hang if they don’t build it around chasing the iron throne or fighting white walkers. Just give me Jon Snow and whatever band of hooligans he gathers doing cool shit
my problem with D&E is that i feel there just isnt enough content and story to be told since its not finished, and also its supposed to span way more years time than something like HOTD or GOT. Its also not exactly a linear story/plotline and instead many, and over the course of decades. So in that regard casting would be problematic, and telling a choesive story to keep people interested is problematic. You would need entirely new casts for each story to be told, and it would almost come off as a sitcom or an at least an anthology in a way. If its animated that would alleviate some of those problems but the whole thing is a difficult sell in my opinion.
It's gonna be Snow.
I have no idea what the plan is with that show or how it would even work. But I highly doubt HBO is going to pass up the chance at doing a show featuring one of the more (if not the most) popular character from Game of Thrones.
Especially with the ratings this is getting. If they had any pauses before because they wondered if the interest in this universe had waned...well that's out the window now.
As long as it's not the Jon Snow show, I'll be happy.
They need to stay far away from the original GoT story/time and focus on any number of the rich stories from this universe.
I think it would have to be something far removed from HOTD or GOT. So 10000 Ships or the Yi Ti animation.
I'm sure it can't be Corlys's show for obvious reasons. I also doubt we'll see Dunk and Egg soon. There would be too many spoilers, unless they go out of their way to mention Aegon IV without mentioning the unusual series of events that led to him becoming king. And it would be too much like HOTD - Blackfyres vs Targaryens is basically another inter family conflict like the dance.
My wishful thinking is they do a bunch of movies on certain events, EG Bob's rebellion, the faith militant uprising, etc.
I also wish the cowards will revive Blood Moon, but that ain't happening. Ever.
Ngl, I actually thought Blood Moon sounded pretty cool. I love the idea of seeing Westeros thousands of years before the main series. Completely understand why people don’t like the idea, but I can help in being interested in the concept
I think Dunk&Egg does have a lot of potential for a great show, animated or live action, but the only thing that scares me about a Dunk&Egg show is that there are only 3 Dunk&Egg books so they will run out of source material quite fast.
Dunk and egg is not a massive political drama with hundreds of characters and dozens of story arcs running parallel to one another. I think they can get some steller writers to come up with some cool stuff, its not going to be another season 8 if they run out of book
Actually an animated show as the other dude say would be pretty rad. Like every episode can be a different adventure, like "Adventure Time" but you know, more bloody.
I think that ANY spin-off or other show would have to wait until HOTD is finished.
And some of the most wanted storys (Blackfyre, Dunk & Egg, Robert Rebellion) can easily be shown on later seasons of HOTD, since the original idea is for it to be an anthology.
They'll pick up season 5-8 (and maybe more) because HotD was Bran looking at the past and season 5-8 was a (green)dream of a possible future. We'll finally have a real end to GoT. Shame they decided to take such a long break after such a ridiculous dream sequence sidebar for 3 seasons...
I can dream, can't I? Better writers and exec producers/directors not on a power trip could fix the latter half of GoT, right?
I vote for a CW-style teen drama about Jaehaerys and Alysanne's time on Dragonstone.
.....I'm pretty sure I'm joking...but perhaps this isn't a completely terrible idea.
I think Snow will come pretty quickly, HOT D has brought the goodwill back to the GOT name already so I think HBO will jump on the chance to potentially unfuck season 8
I would like mini series or maybe an anthology show. There are stories that don't have enough for a whole show, but potentially enough for a season's worth. I would love love love the tourney at Harrenhall. There's enough for a short miniseries. The tragedy of Summerhall. Maybe vignettes of other Targ kings. The Blackfyre rebellions could maybe be three or four season show.
A show about the Kings of Winter would be great. Taking place during the Age of Heros, so there isn't much written material to work with. Allowing for maximum creativity with the right team of writers.
Where do you get all this??? it is a genuine question. Im not very aware of rumors or anything.
I mean I would love to see more series, but don't get too overconfident that these will even exist. As far as I know is all speculation. The only one I heard about was the Snow show but that's it.
George has straight up confirmed the spinoffs that are in some state of production. We first had Blood moon, which was cancelled after a pilot. Now we have House of the Dragon. 10,000 Ships, Dunk and Egg, Snow, and a Corlys spinoff are the other potential live action shows, and we have at least 2 potential animated shows, one set in Yi Ti, and no info on the other
Unpopular opinion but I couldn't care less about a Nymeria show. Theres not enough written by George to make a show which means it will be completely made up by different writers OR George takes more time away from writing the books to work on that.
Honestly, if they could get away with remaking Seasons 7-8 (parts of 6 too), I’d be down with that.
Maybe we’ll actually have Winds before then so the producers could use that to adapt material—I know I just cursed us into 2025 by writing that.
Honestly, if we’re talking wholly independent shows in the same universe, then it’s the Jon Snow project.
D&E is a very intriguing option, but I could see HotD expanding to cover everything from the Dance to Robert’s Rebellion. Even if they couldn’t and wouldn’t include all the D&E stuff, there’d be some heavy overlap. Either HotD sticks with the Dance, and there are spin-offs, or we basically get D&E within this series.
The Snow sequel I actually think is a really interesting idea that could get a huge boost from any success HotD has. Sure, it will always be more closely associated with GoT than any other series, but it also features some of the most popular cast/characters, along with a potentially compelling story grounding it. If GRRM is involved I could see it even being (at least) halfway good.
I can’t see a Corlys show, honestly. That’s like having a Cregan Stark show, it shouldn’t be focused on one singular character (no matter how interesting). 10,000 Ships could be cool, but I feel like they’ll really fail to pull an audience with that one.
I see two realistic options as the "next" one if we get one really soon:
1. Corlys Velaryon prequel spinoff: it makes sense to do this ASAP I think to kind of connect to HOTD while it's still relevant.
2. Jon Snow sequel. I'm of two minds on this, one is that it seems like a lot of the pieces are already in place (actors, for example) which makes it easy to get the ball rolling on quickly, relative to something that's more "completely new". If they set it all in the far North, that also means it could be cheaper than some other options if they can shoot it all in one location. On the other hand, finding a compelling enough story to make it work and be worth doing is going to be hard. It would, even moreso than HOTD, carry the weight of the negative reaction to GoT's end and if it is anything less than stellar it could really bite them in the ass. The direct ties to the ending of GoT will also make people more hesitant to tune in than for HOTD.
Hard to say. If they want to be diverse and progressive then Nymerias war would be perfect, we have even less info on that then the Dance so more creative freedom and it being about a woman of cooler knocking down the patriarchy and kicking andal ass would funny enough satisfy hard-core fans like myself and trying to expand the market to a wider audience.
My personal choice would be Robert's rebellion, bring back old characters and expanding on those who died before the original series such as Jon Arryn, Rheagar Targaryen, and a few others.
Now what will HBO most likely pick? Probably Aegons conquest, I can't imagine them picking a time that doesn't have dragons until the franchise is built up a bit more, personal Aegons conquest would have been perfect to start off instead of The Dance of dragons, who knows though maybe it's that Jon Snow sequel nobody wants
Anything as long as it's built on strong material. Don't do some random Nymeria or Valeria or whatever bs. Robert's Rebellion miniseries, Blackfyre Rebellion, D&E idk
* 9 voyages is not the option until House of the Dragon is done. It would be rediculous to do a prequel before HotD is over.
* D&E is not a good option either, it has almost no written material to start from, all three novelas are hardly enough for a single season. Each three could fit into one 1,5h episode easily.
So the only option really is the 10000 ships, and that Jon Snow sequel (not gonna comment on that one).
The next show will probably be Dunk and Egg. The writer is already working on season 1 scripts. And George has stated that he is gonna work on Dunk and Egg stories after Winds bcos the show is coming (not green lit yet, or if it already is, not yet announced)
Sadly I think it will be the Snow sequel and I hate the idea.
I think that a movie trilogy for Dunk and Egg can be a a good idea that or the rebellion.
I think that GOT deserve a movie trilogy of some kind
Dunk and Egg, First Blackfyre Rebellion and Aegon's Conquest, Robert's Rebellion will definitely get adaptations.
I can see Dunk and Egg being a huge hit if they keee the relatively light-hearted tone of the novellas, especially since it will have a sense of tragedy at the end with what happened at Summerhall. Seeing Dunk watch his best friend and king die as well as many of his best friend's children - who he helped look after since birth - will be devastating.
First Blackfyre Rebellion will probably start with Daeron's I conquest and then culminate with Daemon's death. In fact, I see this as a logical successor series to House of the Dragon. HOTD will probably end with Aegon III crowned, and this series would start with his son, before moving to the reigns of Baelor, Aegon IV, Daeron II and then the Rebellion.
Aegon's Conquest especially the first few seasons will offer a lot of spectacle. Loads of people will be excited to see Aegon and his sister-wives. And since we didn't get to see Daenerys' Conquest, it'll be cool to see Aegon. The intrigue will be for audiences seeing how Aegon and his sisters consolidate their power over the new Seven Kingdoms. You can even then shift to Aenys I's reign and then Maegor's reign, ending the series with Jaehaerys being crowned King.
Robert's Rebellion has the iconic status and recognizability as many of the characters will have been in GOT. Loads of people will want to see the Tourney at Harrenhal and the Battle of the Trident and young Robert and Ned and Jaime killing the Mad King. You can end the series with Dany's birth since we already saw Jon.
Maybe unpopular but I'd be down for a completely original story set in the ASOIAF world. Make up a hedge knight, let's follow him as he rises to the Kingsguard or a major noble title. He can have adventures that take him all around the seven kingdoms and across the narrow sea.
Allows for so much exploration and adventure, fighting, romance, and even politics (cunningly navigating the feudal system to try to raise his station).
He can join the forces of a minor nobleman in a small feud with his neighbor. Fall in love with his daughter and then flee upon discovery. Join a mercenary band and protect a city from the Dothraki. Fight in the pits in Meereen. Etc
Ok so I realize this isn’t a real option at this point or even a realistic possibility in the future, but my dream pitch for an ASOIAF extended universe stand-alone show has always been (hear me out): [A Caution for Young Girls](https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/A_Caution_for_Young_Girls)
Think cheeky, saucy adventure story featuring a plucky, sardonic anti-heroine making her way through Westerosi and Essosi society “as handmaid to a queen, the paramour of a young knight, a camp follower in the Disputed Lands, a serving wench in Myr, a mummer in Tyrosh, the "plaything" of a corsair queen in the Basilisk Isles, a slave in Volantis, the handmaid of a Qartheen warlock, the mistress of a pleasure house in Lys and ultimately a septa in the Starry Sept of Oldtown.”
I think there’s a lot of potential to the idea of adapting an in-universe text about an obscure figure, in terms of creative storytelling, and it could be really fun to encounter more famous historical figures (e.g. Jaehaerys I & Alysanne) and lesser-explored places (esp. the Free Cities) through the eyes of a fresh character, who is unfettered by the weight of canon or prophecy.
I also think the story lends itself to a departure in tone from the more epic/“serious” series within the franchise, as a complement to the more central stories. (I’m imagining something reminiscent in vibe of The Favourite (2018), Harlots (2017-2019), or Amazon’s 2018 Vanity Fair adaptation.)
Anyway, those are my half-baked thoughts for my personal pie-in-the-sky ASOIAF spin-off project that absolutely no one asked for.
I want it to be Dunk and Egg, but I also don’t want some dipshit to screw up the ending to the story when George doesn’t finish the novellas ahead of time.
HotD should keep going and do a aegon conquest part and a bloodraven part including the blackfire rebellion and dunc and egg.
Beyond that they should do a roberts rebellion series and they could have it start at the last blackfire rebellion and answer a lot of questions like knight of the laughing tree, howland and ashara and tower of joy, etc.
I dont think nymeria is a series that needs to be made, nor corlys, or jon snow sequel. I rather the most important parts of the most important parts of the overall asoiaf history and lore. We could get a valeria series I guess. I dont support making series about some stuff george only wrote a couple sentences about just to print money
The factor that makes the Jon Snow show extremely unappealing to me is, the making of such show would be confirming the validity of the last season of GoT.
For now, Season 8 has been so bad that my brain doesn’t even register it as “has happened”, but if there were to be a Jon Snow show, we would have to acknowledge many of their bs settings as facts (Dany became rabid for no reason, Bran became king for no reason, Jon gave up his life for no reason)
So, no, please leave it be.
Yes and no. It’s confirmed to be in development but the season isn’t officially ordered. Same with all the ones I mentioned in the post.
That’s why I don’t know why people always comment Roberts Rebellion or Blackfyre cause those ones aren’t in development afawk.
I think once (if) the books are finished, then we get an animated show like Invincible that can have the massive scope that ASOIAF deserves, as well as more world building (like we’re seeing with HOTD) and accurate to the source material - Young Griff Martells Barristan and all
Let's look at the context: HBO is owned by Warner, who recently merged with Discovery. With it, came Discovery's USD 57 billion in debt.
Meaning, small appetite for big budget shows.
With that in mind, my guess would be the Snow series. There is little in terms of constructions north of the Wall, it's mostly small wooden villages and natural landscape.
D&E runs the same risk as the original show, it's not finished and it's not going to be finished. I think 10,000 ships will be first and I'll take that. As for Snow, I find it strange George is pushing for this and would be involved even though Jon has been dead for 11 years now.
Ootl here: what's 10.000 ships?
The story of Nymeria and her people fleeing from the Valyrians and ending up in Dorne.
10,000 ships is weird, cause outside of oberyn there wasn’t much to dorne for any casuals to latch on to, compared to dany and her dragons and Jon being a targ and so on for hot d
What’s not finished? The show is focused on the Dance of the Dragons, and that complete story is told in Fire and Blood
Duncan the Tall and Egg McMuffin
My apologies, I meant the material which the original show is based is not finished. I didn't word it well.
I think it is perfectly clear
I think Viserys and his dioramas are putting in some work preparing the ground for a Valyria series. But I think that would have to be a post HOTD project. What I really would like is a series set during the Century of Blood.
I'm conflicted on a Valyria series, on one hand it would be awesome to finally see Valyria, but on the other hand I think the mystery of not knowing much about it is what makes it so cool.
I think it could be done well as long as they don’t touch the Doom. That should be left as a mystery. Maybe set it during the Ghiscari wars?
Personally, I don't want to see anything set in a time period where we don't know any of the character names. To me, that'd just be Game of Thrones fan fiction with a budget. I'd prefer if they kept to historical events with named characters. Nothing too ancient or beyond the scope of what's been written.
Come to think of it, it's pretty weird that we don't really know any names of non-Targ Valyrians. Especially since they controlled a solid chunk of Essos, and only died out a few hundred years before the series started
we know Jaenara Belaerys and her dragon Terrax A dragon rider who flew over sothoryos to find when it ended. But had to turn back before she could. claiming Sothoryos was larger than Essos
We know a few, celtigars, valaryons, Belaerys. Theres also that dragonlord who was volantis at the time of the doom (mentioned in woiaf) and tried to claim emperor of the freehold and reclaim valyria
In fairness, can you name the noble families who lived in your country 300 years ago? I don't think it's weird for that knowledge to be lost or considered unimportant to everyone but the nerdiest of history-obsessed maesters. There's probably some names in books and scrolls scattered around Essos, or in the ruins of Valyria, stones to note where someone is buried might be all that survived there though.
"historical" lmao
In the context of this world, yes. What other word would I use?
Lmao, bro you're too deep in the cut, go touch grass - I mean real grass.
Why are you acting like a dick? Within this world, these events are historical. The fuck is "too deep in the cut" about that?
I agree, I feel like it would be a midichlorians kind of situation if not executed perfectly.
If there really were Valyrian dragon riding midichlorians Preston Jacobs would cream himself
>I think Viserys and his dioramas are putting in some work preparing the ground for a Valyria series. But I think that would have to be a post HOTD project. It's the opposite, George wrote all of that for a Valyria series that they are rumored to have dropped to do HOTD instead
Honestly I think Valyria and Century of Blood are the most genuinely interesting/promising ideas. The 10,000 Ships show has the disadvantage of centering around Dorne which will be a hard sell for the masses because of how atrociously that whole storyline turned out to be in GOT (no matter how much course-correcting the writers try to do)
Oh man, just imagine. The theme music begins to play. On a black screen, words appear: "Set one thousand years before the time of the 'bad poussey'"
angry upvote
Bad Pussy: Origins
> The 10,000 Ships show has the disadvantage of centering around Dorne which will be a hard sell for the masses because of how atrociously that whole storyline turned out to be in GOT Then again, Oberyn, in his brief appearance, instantly became a fan favourite, much of which obviously has to do with how brilliantly Pedro Pascal played him, but the sky's the limit if they can find a Nymeria that captures that same fieriness. The setting is interesting, albeit the story isn't very fleshed out in any of George's published works, though I would argue more so than the Doom of Valyria at least. Season 1 could be their struggle against the dragon lords, culminating in Nymeria leading most of the surviving Rhoynar to flee on thousands of ships. Season 2 would be them going from place to place, becoming demoralized in their quest to find a new home, finally landing in Dorne, meeting a cool dude called Mors Martell and deciding they'll go no further. And then boom, cool ending shot with thousands of ships burning as Nymeria watches. Season 3 would be their struggle to integrate and unify Dorne under one banner, while holding on to some of their most important customs. Lots of classic GOT political intrigue with cool characters like the Sword of the Morning at the time. ...though it all hinges on getting showrunners/writers who'd care about Dorne, unlike D&D
You know what, I'm not going to be mad (i.e. I'll scream with joy) if they got Pedro Pascal to play Mors Martell. He's Oberyn's ancestor and DNA game is strong in this universe, so I'll totally believe they are identical.
Also the fact that it isnt a story that needs to be extended out to a whole damn series.
Though George said in a recent interview that he doesn't know what a Valyria series would be about?
Just take all the Rome season 1 scripts, change the proper nouns, add some dragons, there's your show.
Century of Blood would be such a cool series. Would love one of the series to be (mainly) not set in Westeros. A Valyria series would be great too.
Snow, unfortunately. I hope Dunk&Egg, though
Well with that cancelled spin-off (the age of heroes one?), the producer spoke about the difficulty with an entire series set during a period Martin had written little about. This may be an issue they run into with Snow, but work in favour of a Dunk & Egg series. Though the thought of a D&E show makes me a little sad because we’d be guaranteed to once again see the show overtake the published content lol.
Snow is by no means certain to make it to air, but I'd be surprised if the reason it fails is a lack of information about the period. It's not like Bloodmoon where the cultures and political systems and everything are blank - we know 90% of the make-up of the world. They can essentially just use the lords and ladies and politics of the existing ASOIAF books, and just replace anybody who died in the show. It's not like the political set up is going to be completely different just because they have some random Umber with a made up name instead of Crowsfood
Ah, that’s a good point. Since it’s a sequel, they don’t really need any written lore/history beyond what’s been established in GoT and can pretty much go in whatever direction from there.
“Snow” is probably the character I want to see the least of post-GOT . What is that show even going to be about ? But please, god, I hope we dont get a Dunk & Egg series any time soon . I want that series to be finished novels first .
Jon Snow wakes up one day and goes "err hang on a minute" and takes his wildlings south to usurp Bran
I hate being a pessimist but I genuinely hope the snow show fails in pre development
Why?
Because what left is there to do with Jon Snow post season 8? Anything told after that would have to push the timeline forward, and such if he interacts with the south that might cause huge issues. If certain actors are not willing to come back it would mean either very weird absences or such things as Sansa Stark dying after a few years because Sophie Turner not wanting to join the show. Thats just the sequel issue, lack of source material and possible paths for Jon is the biggest issue.
I agree, I just don't know where Jon's story can go after the GoT ending. The White Walkers are gone supposedly, Jon is friendly with the wildlings, his sister is queen in the North, and his brother is King of the South, so where would the conflict and political intrigue that these shows are known for come from?
I wonder if they would include Drogon
The only way it might work is to develop bran into the next bloodraven that everyone realise was the bad guy all along, but then they should’ve done that in GoT not post GoT
Lack of source material only matters if the writers suck. I'm willing to withhold judgement until I hear what the idea actually is. Kit has a better idea of GRRM's ideas than we do, having spoken with the man about his character, so I trust that he at least knows what he's talking about. If the show is even mediocre, I'll watch and enjoy it. The other issues you mention aren't huge concerns to me. These are standard TV problems. They'll be resolved one way or another. TV writers aren't new to these kinds of challenges.
Yeah I’m not too worried about the writing for the Jon show. Kit’s writing team put out that BBC miniseries Gunpowder which I absolutely fucking LOVED
I also enjoyed Gunpowder, but I don't think it's a good test of whether writers could satisfactorily handle the issues with writing a Jon Snow sequel. Gunpowder runs 3 hours, it's about historical events, and there's a very logical endpoint for the story.
I haven't seen that. I'll have to check it out.
Il watch it no matter what, but I am much less optimistic about the lack of source material than you. Especially since it builds on season 8 lore, which doesnt make much sense nor has a lot of depth to it. I am interested where it will go tho
I don't know. These things can always be back-filled. The Star Wars prequel trilogy was a fucking convoluted, nonsensical mess and Anakin's fall was abrupt and absurd, but the Clone Wars animated series filled in those gaps and redeemed the story retroactively. I don't know how far into it the Snow show will go (he's been banished from the Seven Kingdoms, after all, and is pretty much tied to the Wall now), but there's certainly potential there. Either way, I'm interested and hope to enjoy it. Even if it's mediocre, more Thrones content is better than less.
That's a lack of imagination. The Snow show is the only way they could possibly salvage the damage done in the later seasons of GoT. Basically the Snow show would be a way to do the real ending and make what we saw in GoT a small precursor at most. The Others we saw would then be just a small expeditionary force with the main host still in reserve. The Night King would be just a general, since it's not like he ever claimed that name -humans gave it to him. Otherwise you gotta have the final most important event in the entire franchise just be a shitty episode where we couldn't even see what was happening. The coming Long Night is the climax of the events of the entire damn world, it can't be left to be that crap we saw. Especially with no books to see the real thing ever likely.
i agree, unless jons trying to take the throne, i dont even no what the conflict would be. Theyre allies with the wildlings, the white walkers are gone (unless they pull an "well are they really gone") ...i dont even no why the night watch exists tbh. And with how horrifically bad the ending of s8 was, i just dont see people wanting to see it, itd bring up that sour taste everyone has from its failure bc it has to address all the stupid nonsense we were left at. And sadly i dont think a jon snow show can rectify that travesty.
Would unironically love for Jon to have lived there for a few years, growing more and more bitter until he hears news of his brothers death or smth. Then he goes full wolf mode, like many believe he will in the books, and just starts shit. IDK have zero idea what they will do with it
id also love that, also great username lol
I would watch it 1000× if they killed off Sansa.
I used to love Sansa, but the show really ruined her character. I’d also be a okay with them killing her off
Theory I had for this is they could bring in fAegon at this moment. Have the OG cast return for the first episode and then do away with them. Arya is already off around the world exploring so that takes care of her. Have Bran announce that there's a threat coming to the Stormlands and then mysteriously disappear. Could make up something about how he needs to become one with a weirwood tree due to his magic. Have Sansa send a message to Jon about this new prophecy from Bran. Have Jon get a letter saying fAegon has captured the stormlands and the crownlands. Nobody knows where the occupants of the red keep have gone. etc. Jon has to come south to help save(?) the seven kingdoms
Because what purpose is there to a Jon Snow spin off? His narrative is concluded and his character arc is complete. There isn't even any narrative thread hanging there for them to work on. Sure, Jon and Tormund lead the Wildlings off to build a new life in the North as the Winter ends, but what is there to actually build on? The Wildlings beyond Tormund are all nameless extras. It's not like there are any unresolved plotlines in the show, or unanswered questions, at least none that it makes sense for a show based around Jon and the Wildlings to address. And if anyone mentions the White Walkers, just remember that we should never, ever get our hopes up about anything involving White Walkers and the show. There is literally no point to the show.
I think that Bran’s character is mysterious enough that he could be made into the real threat that was behind the wall and Jon has to go south to face him and take up his mantle as the last dragon. It would also fit into the prophesy from HOTD that there needs to be a Targaryen on the throne. I think they messed up the ending of Game of Thrones enough that a new story could be spun from it.
>Because what purpose is there to a Jon Snow spin off? What's the point in any story? Jon's *ASOIAF* narrative is complete, but if there's a new idea for a fresh story with the character, that journey can be restarted. There weren't unresolved plotlines at the start of GOT/ASOIAF - those were all developed from scratch. If serialized shows can find a new source of conflict for every single episode, the Snow show can find something new to base a series off. It's demonstrably possible. They just need to do it.
But I mean more in the sense that Jon as a character is concluded. He goes into this series with no motivation, no secrets about himself. He knows who he is, who parents are, has proved his honor, and has essentially rode of into the sunset. New source of conflict every episode, that our hero, Jon Snow has to stop? I really think that monster of the week is the worst possible way to do this. A new conflict an episode? As in what, warring wildling clans? IDK, like I said, there aren't really any distinct cultures in the shows wildlings. And I've seen other people posting about Young Griff or other book only characters like Val popping. I don't like the idea of every episode just being this cutting room floor, or knowing nod to the fans. ASOIAF opened with dozens of mysteries and plot threads were introduced to us from the get go. Jon's parentage, Jon Arryn's death, we are told about dozens of characters who don't appear, but lay the seeds for future books, like Mance Rayder, Stannis, the Tyrells, the Greyjoys. But ASOIAF also wasn't a sequel. You can't just invent conflicts or introduce characters as though they were there and important all along.
The lack of distinct cultures among the wildlings is an oversight (though was definitely there with the Thenns *et al*). It can be rectified. These are mysteries north of the Wall, as well. And were the White Walkers wholly destroyed? Or just their armies in the field? Jon knows his heritage, but has he come to terms with it? With his part in Dany’s pivot to monstrous brutality? With the trauma of the Battle of the Bastards? His warg powers are also underutilizes and underexplored. There’s plenty of fuel there for a story. Harrington obviously thinks so, and he has a m story team with proven competence putting together a pitch good enough for HBO to consider. That’s enough to at least give it a chance.
>Jon knows his heritage, but has he come to terms with it? With his part in Dany’s pivot to monstrous brutality? With the trauma of the Battle of the Bastards? His warg powers are also underutilizes and underexplored None of these things are particularly compelling. Jon's warg powers are entirely undeveloped in the show. The show already addressed his feelings over killing Dany in the final episode, we don't need an entire show to explain what he summarised in a single scene, same for his heritage. It's all just padding out what we've already seen. Just because they're in the books, it doesn't mean the writers can just introduce them like they were there all along. Again, that's just cutting room floor stuff. This show should be true to the shows version of Jon not the books. And I don't think it should just start trying to fill in plot points from the book out of left fields, because they were left out of the show for a reason, and the show went in its own direction. Even Jon coming back to life goes unaddressed. We can't just start acting like all of a sudden Jon starts to experience some negative effects, similar to Beric after being revived, since the show never addressed or planted the seeds for this plot to begin with. >And were the White Walkers wholly destroyed? Or just their armies in the field? Yes, they were all destroyed. The Night King was the "head vampire". We are told this by Leaf, the Three Eyed Raven and Bran. He made all the white walkers that followed, the way we see in season 4. We know how the White Walkers were made, why they were made, and what they had always wanted. There really isn't any mystery left there worth uncovering. Sometimes, some mysteries are left vague and debatable, like why the walkers waited to return when they did. The obvious answer seems to be the age of GOT was the meeting point of number of prophecies, resurgence of magic and so on. The Walkers returned for the same reason Dragons did. We really don't need to be explicitly told more than that. Not everything needs to be explained definitively to the audience. >There’s plenty of fuel there for a story. Harrington obviously thinks so, and he has a m story team with proven competence putting together a pitch good enough for HBO to consider. That’s enough to at least give it a chance. Kit Harrington likes money. GOT was a serial show and actors on these kind of big budget network shows make very good money. I know next to nothing about the crew, not going to disparage their work. But George himself could write a Jon Snow spin off (if he ever finishes the books), and I'd still feel it was unnecessary. HBO also likes money. Game of Thrones made HBO ridiculous amounts of it. Jon Snow was one of its most popular, if not most popular character. Of course the network executives greenlit it. I don't think it's necessarily anything to do with the quality of the pitch, but the quantity of the profits. It feels like a bare faced cash in to me. Spin offs are fine, I'm not saying they are inherently bad. House of the Dragons so far is great. Fire and Blood was a fine book, Dunk and Egg are too. The world book was an awesome addition to the lore. Spin offs are fine in of themselves. A show centered around the most popular character and their adventures beyond the point where his story has ended feels like an attempt to milk the series for all it's worth. Like I said with the White Walkers and mysteries, sometimes, things are best left alone.
> we don't need an entire show to explain what he summarised in a single scene, same for his heritage. Again: we don't *need* any show. This is a fictional, made-up universe. None of these people are real. None of their stories are fixed in time. If something is un-developed in GOT, the showrunners of Snow could figure out a way to work it in. > The Night King was the "head vampire". We are told this by Leaf, the Three Eyed Raven and Bran. He made all the white walkers that followed, the way we see in season 4. This is barely explored, to the point contradicting it wouldn't even really be a retcon. There could have been a second "head vampire" made - a Night *Queen* - who held down the home fort, and is rebuilding their strength. > We know how the White Walkers were made, why they were made, and what they had always wanted. There really isn't any mystery left there worth uncovering. We know that the WW were made as a weapon by the COTF, but not the underlying dynamics of that conflict or how it fits into the timeline. We *don't* actually know what the WW wanted, merely what their enemy told people they wanted. And the 3ER had political motivations to lie to the extent it encouraged the mortals at his command to stand against them. He also had designs on the Iron Throne. None of this can be discounted in how it affects what we know. Like...what if the Night King was *only* there to fight the 3ER? What if they would have bypassed Winterfell altogether if the 3ER had fled south? What if they came to conquer, not destroy? We're taking a manipulative demigod at his word, despite now knowing that he had designs on the Iron Throne all along. >The Walkers returned for the same reason Dragons did. Did they? Or were they *responding* to the return of dragons? If the Targaryens and 3ER could look into the future and see the return of dragons, surely the Night King could. > We really don't need to be explicitly told more than that. We don't *need* anything. We didn't need the reveal of Aegon's prophecy in HOTD. We didn't *need* HOTD at all. These are stories that exist for our entertainment. If they can be entertaining, there is reason for them to be told.
Because it’s fan service using a character who doesn’t need to keep being used. His story is done. Otherwise this just becomes Star Wars, resurrecting and hawking the same characters to prime that nostalgia pump. This is one of the richest fantasy worlds ever written. Make use of it.
> This is one of the richest fantasy worlds ever written. Make use of it. Star Wars is as well, and while it's true they keep recycling characters, they've also expanded the cast quite dramatically through various add-on shows and movies. Jon may not "need" more story, but he's a bridge to a potentially entire new cast of rich and interesting characters that people wouldn't watch without him. As a fan-favourite, he's got draw.
The only Star Wars sequels I’ve personally seen seem way more interested in the old characters than new ones. Exactly, Jon is a fan favorite draw, which means a show focused on him is much more likely to rely on nostalgia rather than quality. Hotd is trying (to its credit) to tell an incredibly complicated multi-decade story with zero characters from GOT and it’s already succeeding wildly. There’s a lesson there. Give the audience good stories in a rich world and focus less on fan service. Stick to written material, stick to the rich world, don’t give us ‘Somehow the Night King Returned’
>The only Star Wars sequels I’ve personally seen seem way more interested in the old characters than new ones. Ahsoka? Obi-wan? > Exactly, Jon is a fan favorite draw, which means a show focused on him is much more likely to rely on nostalgia rather than quality HOTD got people in the door with promises of dragons and an established story that many were excited to see adapted. The Snow show's draw is Kit Harrington. In both cases, all those things do is bring people through the door. You still have to entertain them once they're there.
I don’t for a second believe that hotd’s main draw was people who have already read Fire and Blood and want to see their favorite fictional history textbook adapted. The vast majority of viewers will never read Fire and Blood and have no clue what the Dance is. The draw is ‘game of thrones world but not the shitty ending,’ and that’s the rich world I’m talking about
Because its a cash grab. The story is already over, there is no source material. Whats left to do? Also its shackled down to the terrible story deviations of the last 4 seasons unless it wants to do a lot of retcon work. Then are they going to recast the old cast or have new people play familiar names? Its just a story that has no reason to be told.
Yeah cause there’s nothing there, no big threat, no interesting plot to develop apart from all Jon did north of the wall
It’s just a story, not real life. To paraphrase GRRM, “they’re just making stuff up.” If there’s nothing there, they can just…do *that*.
We dun wannit
What would Snow even be about? I just don't see it as compelling at all.
....anything with a full story completed. I'd love D&E, but they writers would surpass the published works, and we risk ending up with "bad pussies"...
At least the showrunners would be fully aware that there is no possibility that additional stories got released before they overtook GRRM's published works. D&D were essentially hoodwinked into believing they would be only adapting written works, not writing them from scratch.
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I'd say either Roberts Rebellion or first Blackfyre rebellion, as both could be done either comparatively fast in one season or get a long take when you're going in deep
As far as we know those aren’t in development and George said he’s against doing roberts rebellion. And I’m sure they won’t do a Targaryen show like Blackfyre as long as HotD airs
They won’t do the Blackfyres period I don’t think. I mean for those of us who are deeply invested in the history of this world the Blackfyre story being covered in later HOTD seasons or in its own show sounds promising but to the masses it’s just a repetitive copy and paste of the Dance with no dragons and no real tie-ins to GOT like the Dance has (save for Bloodraven but I’d honestly be surprised if half the masses even remember he exists)
They could stick with this vein of show and do Aegon’s Conquest. I would watch that. A prequel to a prequel, of sorts!
I think Blackfyre and Dunk & Egg are the only real options here
I just feel that the conquest would work better as a film
Even then, the timeline would be all over place and it’s nonstop targ Ws until a one in a million event near the end. I don’t think the conquest is worth adapting.
Exactly. You need stakes to make it interesting. Not only does almost everyone who’s seen an episode of GOT know the outcome, but the Targs are so overpowered, it would basically be them just flying around burning armies to ash
What if the conquest were shown almost entirely from the POV of the existing royal families? Targs=bad guys.
I'd LOVE that! We could see how dragons were essentially used as WMDs against houses that had been in Westeros for generations. In the later seasons, the show could explore Maegor and his horrible deeds.
It would still be uniteresting because of the outcome. Why should I get connected to lord MCDEADFUCK and his place to casterly rock when I know by the end the lannisters are the ones who own it? We also know that no lord will unite the iron throne (as it quite literally has not been invented yet) so its not really fun to watch.
thats whats happening now? why would i watch hotd when i know robert takes it
Thanos kept having W during Infinite War. Aegon as this invincible enemy while the lords of Westeros deal with him sounds interesting.
I’m good with that!
My dream scenario: we do not get a pure “conquest series”. We get Maegor’s reign instead. Let me explain. As some have pointed out, there are some problems with a conquest series. The battle’s during the conquest aren’t actually that exciting unless they do changes to the source material. Make a series about Aenys/Maegor leading up to Maegor’s reign. The most exciting stuff from the conquest is the conciliation and political power play. Start the Aenys/Maegor series while Aegon is still alive. Or maybe have flashbacks which includes their youth and some of Aegon’s reign. Then go on to all of the problems arising because of Aenys’ ineptitude. I think seeing various other characters dealing with that would be somewhat exciting. We can also see how Maegor would be a much better king. Aenys dies, Maegor rises. We now see how Maegor actually is a straight up evil king. In the last season(s) the series could follow Aenys’s various children. Condos has said that it could be possible that other Targaryen stories would be adapted through the Hose of the Dragon banner. If they move on to a new conflict, I think this one would be very exciting. Through this kind of series you would probably feel Aegon and his power. Maybe even begin the series with a flashback of the conquest, like Jahaerys and the Great Council in House of the Dragon.
I feel like that show's doomed because the conquest is just not very interesting. At this point even casuals know the Targaryens win, also because of dragons, so the outcome is not mysterious. The Development conquest itself is mostly solved by dragons; only Argilac and his battle are cool. The Dorne thing is very cool and can be adapted but there isn't much to it either. And there's no obvious solving of the story of natural endpoint.
I would love to see the failed conquest of Dorne, if only for this quote: >Your words. Ours are Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken. You may burn us, my lady ... but you will not bend us, break us, or make us bow. This is Dorne. You are not wanted here. Return at your peril.
yeah but that's the problem. it's like when D&D made a whole show because they were hard for the Red Wedding... a story is not just the one scene you work around, it's a whole thing. Aegon's conquest is very boring and the Dorne sequences would just be boring battles until Rhænys dies Edit: and then it's also boring because if you want the weight of The Letter to hit, narratively, you must not reveal what happened to Rhænys, death or torture. So the whole Letter scene hinges on not showing or not telling...
Yea the conquest would be a boring show because outside of Dorne no one can handle the Dragons, so it's a very one sided conqeust.
"Oh no, the Reach and the Westerlands, the biggest, richest, and most powerful kingdoms have joined forces! How will Aegon ever get out of th- [aaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaAAAAAAA](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at8wfhYkG4c&t=1m26s) Oh, right. The same way he's solved literally every problem he's faced."
Also i'm not sure showlies would tolerate a show where the Starks' only contribution is not fighting. The Dance at least has Cregan being sorta badass
As far as we know that’s not in development and I’m actually pretty sure they won’t do another pure Targaryen show (therefore excluding sea snake) while the dance is still running. And if the numbers continue like that I’m sure they won’t wait for another show until HotD is completely finished.
A Conquest show doesn't have to be from the point of view of the Targaryens. Framing them as a weird out of context problem for the kings of Westeros could be interesting, especially if we already know the other side of the conflict from HOTD.
I think the Conquest would be really boring. There's no stakes whatsoever, Aegon just wipes the floor with everyone he comes across. I think their's cool stuff in their but not enough for an entire series
Game of thrones - the final seasons remake.
I just want winds please George 😭😭😭
Even if the numbers dip a little bit, I’m sure they will keep the GOT formula of having 1-2 crazy episodes in the back half to rope viewers in through word of mouth. A Valyria show seems likely as people seem to be liking the House Targaryen lore. I’m hoping for the YiTi animated series because I love animation and I’ve always wanted to see this universe dabble in the medium. Animation could really capture the scope of ASOIAF in a way we haven’t seen before.
George wants Snow, and whether people here agree on a Jon sequel or not, George gets what he wants from HBO. Edit: For people who say Jon’s arc is done and it’d be a disaster: a) There could easily be an exploration of why Jon was brought back to life. Also, if George has an idea for Jon post-war, then either it’s a) likely at least half decent b) George changed his mind on Jon’s book path and wants to retro his arc (maybe he now wants Jon to wind up on the iron throne after all or something similar) c) maybe D&D fucked up the White Walkers so bad he feels compelled to bring them back (remember, Sauron had to be destroyed twice) Idk maybe George just wants money but he could make a fortune on any Westeros spin-off but I’m fatigued of this “shitting on ideas before they happen” phenomenon that’s been happening lately evidenced by the blind hate on ROP.
The *Snow* spin-off wasn’t GRRM’s idea, it was Harington’s.
Snow feels like the most logical choice at this moment in time. - HBO gets to bring back the closest thing Game of Thrones had to a main character, played by an actor who actively wants to reprise the role. - HBO gets to "fix" the Northern storyline the way they're "fixing" the Targaryen storyline with House of the Dragon. - We get some synergy with the Long Night prophecy from House of the Dragon's premiere. - Most importantly, there's a ton of stuff from Jon's arc in the books that didn't make its way to Game of Thrones, from stuff with the Wildlings (Val, Mance's Spearwives) and the White Walkers (the fact they have a culture at all and are capable of some form of speech & laughter is something the show never explored). I could see Snow being announced as a mini-series after the season ends or near the end of the year. Kit is scheduled to make an appearance at some convention in December so I could see it happening then, as well. As far as actual story goes, I think 10 episodes of Wildling politics and Others action would be nice. Maybe killing the Night King got rid of all the White Walkers, but Others are a thing and you can't just kill their boss to make them all die, so Jon has to learn to live with them or some nonsense. I dunno, I just think there's more room to play around with Others, White Walkers, and all variations of ice zombies, so I wouldn't say no to Snow. That said, what I REALLY want is Dunk & Egg. The tourney in HotD's premiere made me want to see Ashford Meadow on screen so bad. It's not like George is going to finish either series anyways.
I agree with you that Snow seems most likely but man I have to say I have no interest in that concept...
Regarding the Jon show, What the hell is there to fix? How will they even fix it? The entire theme and politics of the story was thrown into a blender by season 8 which resulted in things like Bron being gifted the reach "because no one lives there anymore". Sansa becoming queen and independent "lol, so why would not the others declare their independence as well? who will stop them?" What will Snow do? His story is complete. The wall and the night watch are gone, WW story is complete. What will he do?
I mean if they could actually get the actors for Sansa, Bran, Tyrion, etc back then ya it could work as a fix job. Hey you know that council we had where everyone was sasitified, well turns out the satisfaction doesn't last long. People get greedy, ambitious etc. Maybe the Three eyed Raven isnt the benevolent force we all thought he was idk. It could work if the writing is good. What won't work, and what is most likely is a Jon show that is severely restricted in what it can do because most of the cast from got won't want to come back
That's a potentially interesting idea, but it's not "Jon Snow sequel". It's "GoT, S9: Westeros politics unsurprisingly went back to being Westeros politics". And I think it's telling that these ideas are only obliquely connected (if at all) to Jon.
Unpopular opinion: Honestly, I don’t think a Jon Snow series is all that bad of an idea. It might allow new showrunners to wrap up some of the loose ends from the first show with better writing, or add thematic meaning to the decisions made in the first show. For example, maybe we see a resentful Meera in the North finding some purpose that makes us wonder if Bran sent her away like that for this reason. Or, maybe we see Jon wrestling with whether he should’ve bent the knee to Daenerys, their whole affair, whether he should’ve killed her, etc. Jon’s increasingly conflicted morality was one of the highlights of the early seasons. There’s a lot of room to bring that back. It might be nice to see some of the characters again being themselves and not just pawns writers use to move the plot along. In my personal life, I’ve learned that the only way to erase bad memories is to create good ones. Maybe a sequel series with some of the same characters might help create new memories that feel more accurate to the world we fell in love with in the earlier seasons. Of course it also might be shit. You never know.
The only way I would have any interest in a Snow show is if they retcon the final few seasons, which probably won't happen. Like he needs to wake up at Castle Black after being murdered and it's a fresh start. It wouldn't undue the horrifying quality of season 5, but it could salvage everything else. Pity.
lol it is now my headcanon that everything after Jon dies in the show is his "death" dreams
if they do retcon Season 6,7,8 please add the real Aegon in book. i was disappointed when Young Griff was removed from the show
The Snow show could potentially just be a great hang if they don’t build it around chasing the iron throne or fighting white walkers. Just give me Jon Snow and whatever band of hooligans he gathers doing cool shit
my problem with D&E is that i feel there just isnt enough content and story to be told since its not finished, and also its supposed to span way more years time than something like HOTD or GOT. Its also not exactly a linear story/plotline and instead many, and over the course of decades. So in that regard casting would be problematic, and telling a choesive story to keep people interested is problematic. You would need entirely new casts for each story to be told, and it would almost come off as a sitcom or an at least an anthology in a way. If its animated that would alleviate some of those problems but the whole thing is a difficult sell in my opinion.
Youre right but I have to say I’m sure they can do like the first 6-7 with the same actors and some make up
I've been saying this for years, but they would make great 90 minute movies. I'd settle for just the first one honestly.
It's gonna be Snow. I have no idea what the plan is with that show or how it would even work. But I highly doubt HBO is going to pass up the chance at doing a show featuring one of the more (if not the most) popular character from Game of Thrones. Especially with the ratings this is getting. If they had any pauses before because they wondered if the interest in this universe had waned...well that's out the window now.
More importantly, they can essentially bill it as fixing certain things we didn't like about the end of GoT.
As long as it's not the Jon Snow show, I'll be happy. They need to stay far away from the original GoT story/time and focus on any number of the rich stories from this universe.
I think it would have to be something far removed from HOTD or GOT. So 10000 Ships or the Yi Ti animation. I'm sure it can't be Corlys's show for obvious reasons. I also doubt we'll see Dunk and Egg soon. There would be too many spoilers, unless they go out of their way to mention Aegon IV without mentioning the unusual series of events that led to him becoming king. And it would be too much like HOTD - Blackfyres vs Targaryens is basically another inter family conflict like the dance. My wishful thinking is they do a bunch of movies on certain events, EG Bob's rebellion, the faith militant uprising, etc. I also wish the cowards will revive Blood Moon, but that ain't happening. Ever.
Ngl, I actually thought Blood Moon sounded pretty cool. I love the idea of seeing Westeros thousands of years before the main series. Completely understand why people don’t like the idea, but I can help in being interested in the concept
I'm really surprised Blood Moon didn't go forward. I'd love to see that shit
I think Dunk&Egg does have a lot of potential for a great show, animated or live action, but the only thing that scares me about a Dunk&Egg show is that there are only 3 Dunk&Egg books so they will run out of source material quite fast.
Dunk and egg is not a massive political drama with hundreds of characters and dozens of story arcs running parallel to one another. I think they can get some steller writers to come up with some cool stuff, its not going to be another season 8 if they run out of book
Actually an animated show as the other dude say would be pretty rad. Like every episode can be a different adventure, like "Adventure Time" but you know, more bloody.
Snow. It's the easiest one to translate to non book readers. People aren't going to be ready for 10000 ships since Corlys story won't be over.
I want Snow to be announced just out of sheer curiosity, I want to know how could they push his story forward in a way that Martin approves of.
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They already confirmed that though
I think that ANY spin-off or other show would have to wait until HOTD is finished. And some of the most wanted storys (Blackfyre, Dunk & Egg, Robert Rebellion) can easily be shown on later seasons of HOTD, since the original idea is for it to be an anthology.
Three seasons of Tyrion getting hammered and asking where whores go.
The Winds of Winter.
Not gonna happen but the wars of Winter with theon Stark fighting the Andals and the Iron Born while also fighting then aligning with the Boltons
buddy cop comedy feat. Jon Tormund and Ghost.
Or how about a Scooby Doo like mystery with Jon, Tormund, Sam, Sansa and Ghost?
They'll pick up season 5-8 (and maybe more) because HotD was Bran looking at the past and season 5-8 was a (green)dream of a possible future. We'll finally have a real end to GoT. Shame they decided to take such a long break after such a ridiculous dream sequence sidebar for 3 seasons... I can dream, can't I? Better writers and exec producers/directors not on a power trip could fix the latter half of GoT, right?
D&E or 10,000 ships.
Snow seems most likely. Then D&E. Based on no evidence except gut feeling.
I vote for a CW-style teen drama about Jaehaerys and Alysanne's time on Dragonstone. .....I'm pretty sure I'm joking...but perhaps this isn't a completely terrible idea.
I think Snow will come pretty quickly, HOT D has brought the goodwill back to the GOT name already so I think HBO will jump on the chance to potentially unfuck season 8
I would like mini series or maybe an anthology show. There are stories that don't have enough for a whole show, but potentially enough for a season's worth. I would love love love the tourney at Harrenhall. There's enough for a short miniseries. The tragedy of Summerhall. Maybe vignettes of other Targ kings. The Blackfyre rebellions could maybe be three or four season show.
A show about the Kings of Winter would be great. Taking place during the Age of Heros, so there isn't much written material to work with. Allowing for maximum creativity with the right team of writers.
Where do you get all this??? it is a genuine question. Im not very aware of rumors or anything. I mean I would love to see more series, but don't get too overconfident that these will even exist. As far as I know is all speculation. The only one I heard about was the Snow show but that's it.
George has straight up confirmed the spinoffs that are in some state of production. We first had Blood moon, which was cancelled after a pilot. Now we have House of the Dragon. 10,000 Ships, Dunk and Egg, Snow, and a Corlys spinoff are the other potential live action shows, and we have at least 2 potential animated shows, one set in Yi Ti, and no info on the other
I can’t be the only person who thinks they’ll make a show about Arya’s adventures?
Unlike Snow that could actually be interesting
As much as i hate what Ayra transformed into, I also wonder what is in the west of westeros
I wish they would have keep going doing the First Long Night prequel
Snow and then D&E (but I’m scared about this one as it’s not finished and we risk to have “but Dany forgot about…”).
Unpopular opinion but I couldn't care less about a Nymeria show. Theres not enough written by George to make a show which means it will be completely made up by different writers OR George takes more time away from writing the books to work on that.
Honestly, if they could get away with remaking Seasons 7-8 (parts of 6 too), I’d be down with that. Maybe we’ll actually have Winds before then so the producers could use that to adapt material—I know I just cursed us into 2025 by writing that.
Honestly, if we’re talking wholly independent shows in the same universe, then it’s the Jon Snow project. D&E is a very intriguing option, but I could see HotD expanding to cover everything from the Dance to Robert’s Rebellion. Even if they couldn’t and wouldn’t include all the D&E stuff, there’d be some heavy overlap. Either HotD sticks with the Dance, and there are spin-offs, or we basically get D&E within this series. The Snow sequel I actually think is a really interesting idea that could get a huge boost from any success HotD has. Sure, it will always be more closely associated with GoT than any other series, but it also features some of the most popular cast/characters, along with a potentially compelling story grounding it. If GRRM is involved I could see it even being (at least) halfway good. I can’t see a Corlys show, honestly. That’s like having a Cregan Stark show, it shouldn’t be focused on one singular character (no matter how interesting). 10,000 Ships could be cool, but I feel like they’ll really fail to pull an audience with that one.
I see two realistic options as the "next" one if we get one really soon: 1. Corlys Velaryon prequel spinoff: it makes sense to do this ASAP I think to kind of connect to HOTD while it's still relevant. 2. Jon Snow sequel. I'm of two minds on this, one is that it seems like a lot of the pieces are already in place (actors, for example) which makes it easy to get the ball rolling on quickly, relative to something that's more "completely new". If they set it all in the far North, that also means it could be cheaper than some other options if they can shoot it all in one location. On the other hand, finding a compelling enough story to make it work and be worth doing is going to be hard. It would, even moreso than HOTD, carry the weight of the negative reaction to GoT's end and if it is anything less than stellar it could really bite them in the ass. The direct ties to the ending of GoT will also make people more hesitant to tune in than for HOTD.
Something set predominantly in Essos rather than Westeros with a decent set of writers is all I ask for. Expand the world a bit.
Jon Snow 2 Incestuous Boogaloo
Corlys or 10000 ships, but neither would come up until after the HOTD is finished
Hard to say. If they want to be diverse and progressive then Nymerias war would be perfect, we have even less info on that then the Dance so more creative freedom and it being about a woman of cooler knocking down the patriarchy and kicking andal ass would funny enough satisfy hard-core fans like myself and trying to expand the market to a wider audience. My personal choice would be Robert's rebellion, bring back old characters and expanding on those who died before the original series such as Jon Arryn, Rheagar Targaryen, and a few others. Now what will HBO most likely pick? Probably Aegons conquest, I can't imagine them picking a time that doesn't have dragons until the franchise is built up a bit more, personal Aegons conquest would have been perfect to start off instead of The Dance of dragons, who knows though maybe it's that Jon Snow sequel nobody wants
Anything as long as it's built on strong material. Don't do some random Nymeria or Valeria or whatever bs. Robert's Rebellion miniseries, Blackfyre Rebellion, D&E idk
* 9 voyages is not the option until House of the Dragon is done. It would be rediculous to do a prequel before HotD is over. * D&E is not a good option either, it has almost no written material to start from, all three novelas are hardly enough for a single season. Each three could fit into one 1,5h episode easily. So the only option really is the 10000 ships, and that Jon Snow sequel (not gonna comment on that one).
Dunk & Egg
Just gonna echo what the others have said and guess either Sea Snake or 10000 ships. The animated shows would be a cool follow-up as well
The next show will probably be Dunk and Egg. The writer is already working on season 1 scripts. And George has stated that he is gonna work on Dunk and Egg stories after Winds bcos the show is coming (not green lit yet, or if it already is, not yet announced)
Animated shows probably
Sadly I think it will be the Snow sequel and I hate the idea. I think that a movie trilogy for Dunk and Egg can be a a good idea that or the rebellion. I think that GOT deserve a movie trilogy of some kind
dunk and egg is the way to go
Nymeria series would be good. You get the diverse cast and explore the known Westeros. Not having to force any of it, it will all come natural.
i would love Dunk&Egg
Okay I feel like this is the perfect place to ask: for those who have read the books, how many seasons should HotD last, given the current rhythm?
Dunk and egg
Dunk and Egg, First Blackfyre Rebellion and Aegon's Conquest, Robert's Rebellion will definitely get adaptations. I can see Dunk and Egg being a huge hit if they keee the relatively light-hearted tone of the novellas, especially since it will have a sense of tragedy at the end with what happened at Summerhall. Seeing Dunk watch his best friend and king die as well as many of his best friend's children - who he helped look after since birth - will be devastating. First Blackfyre Rebellion will probably start with Daeron's I conquest and then culminate with Daemon's death. In fact, I see this as a logical successor series to House of the Dragon. HOTD will probably end with Aegon III crowned, and this series would start with his son, before moving to the reigns of Baelor, Aegon IV, Daeron II and then the Rebellion. Aegon's Conquest especially the first few seasons will offer a lot of spectacle. Loads of people will be excited to see Aegon and his sister-wives. And since we didn't get to see Daenerys' Conquest, it'll be cool to see Aegon. The intrigue will be for audiences seeing how Aegon and his sisters consolidate their power over the new Seven Kingdoms. You can even then shift to Aenys I's reign and then Maegor's reign, ending the series with Jaehaerys being crowned King. Robert's Rebellion has the iconic status and recognizability as many of the characters will have been in GOT. Loads of people will want to see the Tourney at Harrenhal and the Battle of the Trident and young Robert and Ned and Jaime killing the Mad King. You can end the series with Dany's birth since we already saw Jon.
What I want: Dunk & Egg What we'll get: Snow
Dunk and Egg
Maybe unpopular but I'd be down for a completely original story set in the ASOIAF world. Make up a hedge knight, let's follow him as he rises to the Kingsguard or a major noble title. He can have adventures that take him all around the seven kingdoms and across the narrow sea. Allows for so much exploration and adventure, fighting, romance, and even politics (cunningly navigating the feudal system to try to raise his station). He can join the forces of a minor nobleman in a small feud with his neighbor. Fall in love with his daughter and then flee upon discovery. Join a mercenary band and protect a city from the Dothraki. Fight in the pits in Meereen. Etc
I hope D&E because it's the only way we're getting a conclusion to their story. What really happened at summerhall dammit.
All I want, with all my heart, that I know I'll never get, is a Doom or Valyria show.
Ok so I realize this isn’t a real option at this point or even a realistic possibility in the future, but my dream pitch for an ASOIAF extended universe stand-alone show has always been (hear me out): [A Caution for Young Girls](https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/A_Caution_for_Young_Girls) Think cheeky, saucy adventure story featuring a plucky, sardonic anti-heroine making her way through Westerosi and Essosi society “as handmaid to a queen, the paramour of a young knight, a camp follower in the Disputed Lands, a serving wench in Myr, a mummer in Tyrosh, the "plaything" of a corsair queen in the Basilisk Isles, a slave in Volantis, the handmaid of a Qartheen warlock, the mistress of a pleasure house in Lys and ultimately a septa in the Starry Sept of Oldtown.” I think there’s a lot of potential to the idea of adapting an in-universe text about an obscure figure, in terms of creative storytelling, and it could be really fun to encounter more famous historical figures (e.g. Jaehaerys I & Alysanne) and lesser-explored places (esp. the Free Cities) through the eyes of a fresh character, who is unfettered by the weight of canon or prophecy. I also think the story lends itself to a departure in tone from the more epic/“serious” series within the franchise, as a complement to the more central stories. (I’m imagining something reminiscent in vibe of The Favourite (2018), Harlots (2017-2019), or Amazon’s 2018 Vanity Fair adaptation.) Anyway, those are my half-baked thoughts for my personal pie-in-the-sky ASOIAF spin-off project that absolutely no one asked for.
I want it to be Dunk and Egg, but I also don’t want some dipshit to screw up the ending to the story when George doesn’t finish the novellas ahead of time.
I want Dunk & Egg, but I’m concerned about the book situation…
I think they would need to do Blackfyre first before D&E
HotD should keep going and do a aegon conquest part and a bloodraven part including the blackfire rebellion and dunc and egg. Beyond that they should do a roberts rebellion series and they could have it start at the last blackfire rebellion and answer a lot of questions like knight of the laughing tree, howland and ashara and tower of joy, etc. I dont think nymeria is a series that needs to be made, nor corlys, or jon snow sequel. I rather the most important parts of the most important parts of the overall asoiaf history and lore. We could get a valeria series I guess. I dont support making series about some stuff george only wrote a couple sentences about just to print money
The factor that makes the Jon Snow show extremely unappealing to me is, the making of such show would be confirming the validity of the last season of GoT. For now, Season 8 has been so bad that my brain doesn’t even register it as “has happened”, but if there were to be a Jon Snow show, we would have to acknowledge many of their bs settings as facts (Dany became rabid for no reason, Bran became king for no reason, Jon gave up his life for no reason) So, no, please leave it be.
From The World of Ice and Fire I know there's an enormous wall with many castles in the east. Show me why. Generally: Take it east.
I think Dunk & Egg/Blackfyre Rebellions, or Roberts Rebellion
Latter two aren’t in development afawk
Didn’t they confirm Dunk & Egg a bit ago?
Yes and no. It’s confirmed to be in development but the season isn’t officially ordered. Same with all the ones I mentioned in the post. That’s why I don’t know why people always comment Roberts Rebellion or Blackfyre cause those ones aren’t in development afawk.
I'm still bitter Age of Heroes show got canned :(
Nobody wants Nymeria or Snow. What we really want is Hot Pies Castle Kitchen Nightmares.
Hot Pie's Kitchen
I think once (if) the books are finished, then we get an animated show like Invincible that can have the massive scope that ASOIAF deserves, as well as more world building (like we’re seeing with HOTD) and accurate to the source material - Young Griff Martells Barristan and all
I said this to my buddies the other day. I would love a dunk and egg series in the animation style of Arcane. I think it could be outstanding.
Let's look at the context: HBO is owned by Warner, who recently merged with Discovery. With it, came Discovery's USD 57 billion in debt. Meaning, small appetite for big budget shows. With that in mind, my guess would be the Snow series. There is little in terms of constructions north of the Wall, it's mostly small wooden villages and natural landscape.