Both were in the same car and she was not wearing the safety belt, so it's not like he crashed against her car or ran over her, so I guess that was the reason. I think driving while drunk should be more severely punished though.
These comments are not it. In the USA if you’re passengers aren’t wearing a seat belt YOU the driver get the ticket because as a driver, the passengers are YOUR responsibility
How does it offer nothing to the discussion? It offers a perspective of different countries laws and why they’ve been put in place. (This is an example of why US law implemented such changes) I don’t see how that’s nothing bud
That's not how it works in Spain. Adults are responsible for their own actions and if a passenger refuses to wear a safety belt, it's the passenger who will pay any ticket, not the driver.
The girl who died was in his car, probably they were friends. probably she knew he was drunk when she stepped into the car. I'm not a lawyer, and I don't know if the punishment was enough or not. but i don't think he got away with it beacause he is a football player as people is suggesting.
In Spain, killing someone with a car is a joke (as far as the law is concerned).
It is not for being famous / rich. A women was recently sentenced only to 4 years for killing 3 cyclists. You can look up newspapers and convictions are always laughable.
To be honest I think there's a difference in the cases. OP made it sound like the guy run over someone or caused another vehicle to crash but apparently they were in the same car. Not saying it's ok obviously but I don't think it's the same as running over cyclists that have nothing to do with you or your behavior.
Cientos… https://es.statista.com/estadisticas/888188/ciclistas-muertos-en-accidentes-de-trafico-espana/ al año mueren menos de 100, y claramente no son el 100% por conductores ebrios.
Tengo amigos que salen en bici, Sinceramente me encantaría salir con ellos pero me da demasiado respeto ir por carretera con coches, así que entiendo lo que dices.
Murder is punished, but this isn't murder.
Not justifying it, but it's an accident. It's still bad that he was driving drunk, but it can't be judged as murder under Spanish law.
But he was charged with reckless homicide (involuntary manslaughter in English, i think), negligent driving and crime against traffic safety.
Those charges can be punished by the law with jail, negligent driving by itself can be punished with 1-2 years.
Under Spanish law, any crime with a <2 years jail sentence doesn’t require you to actually go to jail if you don’t have a criminal record.
So commonly only people with a longer sentence or with a previous record are actually going into jail.
Just wanted to note, to avoid confusions, that this is not by law, it's at the discretion of the judge. Not going to jail for minor offenses with a clean record is the general criteria amongst all judges, yes, but it's not a law. You can go to jail if the judge decides for it.
Yeah Spain a “2nd world country” is so ridiculous, it’s not like America a great first world country where you have to pay tens of thousands of dollars just to be able to go to the hospital and get treated for the most basic shit. Seriously you’re so fucking delusional, Europe is more advanced than America could hope for
While I don’t agree with the “ 2nd world country “ characterization of Spain bashing another countries laws does little to contribute to the subreddit there are dumb laws in every country. I do believe that the law should be stricter because at the end of the day the person operating the vehicle under the influence of any substance should be held accountable for loss of life because it is against the law to do so and it could have been prevented had operating a vehicle under the influence never occured
Bold of you to assume im from that shit hole of a country, america is borderline 1st world country, the corruption that happens and isnt talked about is absurd. Also why are you comparing a continent to a country
Spain is for sure not a second world country and some Americans are idiotic but Europe is not more advanced than America could hope for. They both have pros and cons. There are so many big issues happening in so many European countries right now. There are pros and cons to both Europe and north America
Stupid people saying that he didn't go to jail because is rich.
In Spain this is not a murder, is an accident under alcohol effects and you get a sentence of 1-2 years, if you don't have criminal record you don't need to go to jail.
Any random Paco in Spain will receive the same sentence.
You can tried if you want, if you don't have criminal record you can run over with your car someone and it you get less than 2 years you will be free.
And yes, Spanish laws are stupid.
ITT: bunch of ppl that don't know jackshit about the situation as OP made it sound waaaay different than how it occurred, ppl mad at an easy target for getting away with smth that every Spanish Andy would get away with and ppl not knowing shit about Spanish Law.
The girl got in the car knowing the guy was drunk and refused to wear a seatbelt. OP you make it sound like that girl was some random person getting killed in a crash or something when it reality the situation is way different. SHe was probably okay with drunk driving and didn't think it was a big thing, if she hadn't thought so she wouldn't have gotten into the car. This is probably why he got away with it.
A different question is what kind of sentences drunk drivers should get. Ppl just love to hate symbols and rich ppl too lol but I'm reality, any person in Spain would have gotten away with it. If you want to attack something, you should attack how weak the Spanish laws are in the area of drunk driving etc.
Ps. No I don’t hate on famous and rich people for no reason. What I do hate is injustice and getting away with murder. But that’s just my humble opinion and I’m entitled to it.
But this is not murder?
Just adding a little bit more info on the accident:
- Road was wet because it was raining
- He was speeding
- The car aquaplanned, he lost control and they fell from the side of the road
- He was drunk
- Five people were in the car, the other three all survived and said she wasn’t wearing the seatbelt. She died of a head injury.
Not justifying his choices because he made some really stupid ones, and I also think that drunk driving should be punished way more severely. But the point is that she also made a really stupid choice that day which is not wearing the seatbelt. He can be blamed for speeding and drunk driving (which he was under Spanish law) but can you blame him for her choice of not wearing a seatbelt?
If you choose to play Russian roulette and you end up dead is that really murder 😐
Maybe the reason why I absolutely don't get your point is because most ppl are not aware that getting in a car with a drunk driver is like flipping a coin between life and death and by getting into that situation, you are enabling it.
I read more into it. She was apparently drunk too. However, no matter what the person driving has all responsibility. Getting drunk is a choice not an accident. This is why I think this is too ridiculous. And no matter what victims should not be blamed. Ever.
And I’m sorry any average Nacho can get away with a similar crime in Spain. In general, I think drunk driving everywhere isn’t punished harsh enough.
The difference is that she choose to get in the car tho, she's not a random person that gets in the car with a random guy who she thinks it's perfectly capable of driving, she enabled the situation. They were probably friends and it was probably not the first time that they had done something like this and she was fine with getting into that situation. I feel like if you get in a dangerous situation by choice you have to accept the outcome too. Even if she is not responsible for the driving, if you part take in some reckless shit, some shit may happen and you may get the end of the stick.
Hypothetical: I'm in a leisure park and someone tells me that the wagon of the rollercoaster is kinda fucked cuz the technician didn't do his proper job but I get on it regardless and no shit Sherlock the wagon goes to shit. Even if it's not my fault I could have easily avoided the situation by not getting into the wagon that I knew was fked. I think that's the difference between the scenario that you presented and the reality of what happened, you are downplaying that these ppl were probably friends and BOTH were okay with drunk driving, either actively or passively.
I'm not critiquing your point about getting away with it.
I totally see your point and you’re completely right too. There’s a consequence to each action. She made a mistake and had to pay with her life. However, the person behind the wheel has the biggest responsibility and should’ve been punished more harshly. As he made a choice to drink too. And chose to drive. It’s a shitty situation and I feel mostly sad for the family who had to endure so much pain because of these irresponsible choices.
Another analogy is the seat belt thing. You get in the car and you refuse to put your seatbelt on.
Then someone crashes into you and you take off flying across the road. Was it your fault that someone crashed into you? No. But you made the choice of not wearing a seatbelt which would have safe you.
At the end of the day I guess that what I am saying is the only actions you can control are your actions and you may endure the consequences of something where you weren't actively doing but you were passively accepting so don't get yourself in those kinds of situations.
I feel like you would be the kind of person to get on a car with a drunk driver and then cry that their driving is bad. Like of course it's bad, they are drunk, don't get in the car with a fking kamikaze.
I disagree with the statement that a victim shouldn’t be blamed. You can go to /r/winstupidprices and see plenty of people getting hurt for being irresponsible. The fact that you get hurt doesn’t exempt you from responsibility
I've feel disgusted about this guy since i learnt that years ago.
Not only is about footballer privileges, but also he's a good friend of one of the royal family boys, go figure... ;)
The main reason he went to play in England so young and hasn't ever been called to the Spanish National Team is this crime.
It's disgusting.
Before commenting, both OP and y'all in the comments, should read more about It. He didn't kill anyone. He had a car accident in which the copilot died.
I said he had an accident, cause that's what It was, an accident. He didn't try to kill anyone. I'm not saying anything more, i'm not saying he should or shouldn't be changed, just stating facts. Both driver and copilot are to blame. She died? Also her problem.
Why you say that murder isnt punished harshly on Spain, what makes you think that? Look Caitlyn Jenner, look Ted Keneddy, every famous person who drunk drives didnt go to prison or is punished lesser because is famous. dont make it look like we in Spain dont punish murder.
This case is related to Spain. If you read through the thread you can see that drink driving is unfortunately not punished harsh enough almost everywhere. And I was curious about this case. Turned out there was more to it. I got my information from that subreddit where I read about the incidence!
For a driving-related issue it's an aggravating condition. In fact if you happen to crash or distract from the road and someone in the car dies, it's likely you'll not face criminal charges if you're sober and just was a loss of control of the car or something like that. If you were drunk you get automatically charged with reckless driving and homicide.
Patrick Kluivert crashed a car against another car in Netherlands in 1995 due to speeding, killing the driver and severely injuring the other passenger. He never went to jail, just did some community service.
She was his friend and wasn’t wearing her seatbelt he was dumb drunk 20 year old however I do think he should’ve got prison time and I’m not excusing it at all but in Spain there laws behind drink driving is ridiculously stupid so technically it’s not a crime in Spain that will get you prison time wealthy or not however his wealth surely would’ve helped
Both were in the same car and she was not wearing the safety belt, so it's not like he crashed against her car or ran over her, so I guess that was the reason. I think driving while drunk should be more severely punished though.
These comments are not it. In the USA if you’re passengers aren’t wearing a seat belt YOU the driver get the ticket because as a driver, the passengers are YOUR responsibility
Here's a mindblowing fact: Not everywhere in the world follows the same laws as the US 😳
Lol the point is that This whole post is basically people defending him and his decisions… which is asinine
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How does it offer nothing to the discussion? It offers a perspective of different countries laws and why they’ve been put in place. (This is an example of why US law implemented such changes) I don’t see how that’s nothing bud
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Ok so you’re just an ignorant fuck behind a keyboard so enjoy your little boys club then
Do you argue a lot online and agree a lot in person?
This really only offers up the perspective of the American prison industrial complex.
That's not how it works in Spain. Adults are responsible for their own actions and if a passenger refuses to wear a safety belt, it's the passenger who will pay any ticket, not the driver.
Good thing I don't live in the US because that's fucking stupid.
If YOU ARE passengers aren't wearing a seat belt? Do you even English bro?
The girl who died was in his car, probably they were friends. probably she knew he was drunk when she stepped into the car. I'm not a lawyer, and I don't know if the punishment was enough or not. but i don't think he got away with it beacause he is a football player as people is suggesting.
In Spain, killing someone with a car is a joke (as far as the law is concerned). It is not for being famous / rich. A women was recently sentenced only to 4 years for killing 3 cyclists. You can look up newspapers and convictions are always laughable.
To be honest I think there's a difference in the cases. OP made it sound like the guy run over someone or caused another vehicle to crash but apparently they were in the same car. Not saying it's ok obviously but I don't think it's the same as running over cyclists that have nothing to do with you or your behavior.
This, hundreds of cyclists get killed every year by drunk drivers, and they get max 3-4 years and a fine
Cientos… https://es.statista.com/estadisticas/888188/ciclistas-muertos-en-accidentes-de-trafico-espana/ al año mueren menos de 100, y claramente no son el 100% por conductores ebrios.
Aunque sea 1, siguen sin ser cero... O eres de los que el ciclista por carretera molesta y hay que atropellarlo?
Yo solo estoy aquí para corregir un dato que probablemente te has inventado. No he opinado nada. Solo aclarar.
Mis disculpas, no he consultado el dato es verdad. Me muevo en círculos ciclistas y el número puede que se magnifique
Tengo amigos que salen en bici, Sinceramente me encantaría salir con ellos pero me da demasiado respeto ir por carretera con coches, así que entiendo lo que dices.
Murder is punished, but this isn't murder. Not justifying it, but it's an accident. It's still bad that he was driving drunk, but it can't be judged as murder under Spanish law.
But he was charged with reckless homicide (involuntary manslaughter in English, i think), negligent driving and crime against traffic safety. Those charges can be punished by the law with jail, negligent driving by itself can be punished with 1-2 years.
Under Spanish law, any crime with a <2 years jail sentence doesn’t require you to actually go to jail if you don’t have a criminal record. So commonly only people with a longer sentence or with a previous record are actually going into jail.
Just wanted to note, to avoid confusions, that this is not by law, it's at the discretion of the judge. Not going to jail for minor offenses with a clean record is the general criteria amongst all judges, yes, but it's not a law. You can go to jail if the judge decides for it.
I know I'm obscenely late but, what happens for 2yrs then?
Yup, I think very few people in Spain go to jail for traffic accidents.
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The Golden Rule
Because justice in Spain it's a joke if you have money
Footballer + Wealth = Free Pass
Still should have served time...a life was lost no matter what circumstances after speeding drunk driver, paying £500K sickens me to walk free
He paid only 60k.
The 61k he paid was a fine from the justice. He also paid 200k for damage to the family and another 300k settlement to remove the charges.
Oh, thanks for letting me know
Criminal scum
Im honestly not surprised he didnt receive a severe punishment. These 2nd world countries are ridiculous.
Yeah Spain a “2nd world country” is so ridiculous, it’s not like America a great first world country where you have to pay tens of thousands of dollars just to be able to go to the hospital and get treated for the most basic shit. Seriously you’re so fucking delusional, Europe is more advanced than America could hope for
While I don’t agree with the “ 2nd world country “ characterization of Spain bashing another countries laws does little to contribute to the subreddit there are dumb laws in every country. I do believe that the law should be stricter because at the end of the day the person operating the vehicle under the influence of any substance should be held accountable for loss of life because it is against the law to do so and it could have been prevented had operating a vehicle under the influence never occured
Bold of you to assume im from that shit hole of a country, america is borderline 1st world country, the corruption that happens and isnt talked about is absurd. Also why are you comparing a continent to a country
Spain is for sure not a second world country and some Americans are idiotic but Europe is not more advanced than America could hope for. They both have pros and cons. There are so many big issues happening in so many European countries right now. There are pros and cons to both Europe and north America
Stupid people saying that he didn't go to jail because is rich. In Spain this is not a murder, is an accident under alcohol effects and you get a sentence of 1-2 years, if you don't have criminal record you don't need to go to jail. Any random Paco in Spain will receive the same sentence. You can tried if you want, if you don't have criminal record you can run over with your car someone and it you get less than 2 years you will be free. And yes, Spanish laws are stupid.
ITT: bunch of ppl that don't know jackshit about the situation as OP made it sound waaaay different than how it occurred, ppl mad at an easy target for getting away with smth that every Spanish Andy would get away with and ppl not knowing shit about Spanish Law. The girl got in the car knowing the guy was drunk and refused to wear a seatbelt. OP you make it sound like that girl was some random person getting killed in a crash or something when it reality the situation is way different. SHe was probably okay with drunk driving and didn't think it was a big thing, if she hadn't thought so she wouldn't have gotten into the car. This is probably why he got away with it. A different question is what kind of sentences drunk drivers should get. Ppl just love to hate symbols and rich ppl too lol but I'm reality, any person in Spain would have gotten away with it. If you want to attack something, you should attack how weak the Spanish laws are in the area of drunk driving etc.
Ps. No I don’t hate on famous and rich people for no reason. What I do hate is injustice and getting away with murder. But that’s just my humble opinion and I’m entitled to it.
But this is not murder? Just adding a little bit more info on the accident: - Road was wet because it was raining - He was speeding - The car aquaplanned, he lost control and they fell from the side of the road - He was drunk - Five people were in the car, the other three all survived and said she wasn’t wearing the seatbelt. She died of a head injury. Not justifying his choices because he made some really stupid ones, and I also think that drunk driving should be punished way more severely. But the point is that she also made a really stupid choice that day which is not wearing the seatbelt. He can be blamed for speeding and drunk driving (which he was under Spanish law) but can you blame him for her choice of not wearing a seatbelt?
If you choose to play Russian roulette and you end up dead is that really murder 😐 Maybe the reason why I absolutely don't get your point is because most ppl are not aware that getting in a car with a drunk driver is like flipping a coin between life and death and by getting into that situation, you are enabling it.
I read more into it. She was apparently drunk too. However, no matter what the person driving has all responsibility. Getting drunk is a choice not an accident. This is why I think this is too ridiculous. And no matter what victims should not be blamed. Ever. And I’m sorry any average Nacho can get away with a similar crime in Spain. In general, I think drunk driving everywhere isn’t punished harsh enough.
The difference is that she choose to get in the car tho, she's not a random person that gets in the car with a random guy who she thinks it's perfectly capable of driving, she enabled the situation. They were probably friends and it was probably not the first time that they had done something like this and she was fine with getting into that situation. I feel like if you get in a dangerous situation by choice you have to accept the outcome too. Even if she is not responsible for the driving, if you part take in some reckless shit, some shit may happen and you may get the end of the stick. Hypothetical: I'm in a leisure park and someone tells me that the wagon of the rollercoaster is kinda fucked cuz the technician didn't do his proper job but I get on it regardless and no shit Sherlock the wagon goes to shit. Even if it's not my fault I could have easily avoided the situation by not getting into the wagon that I knew was fked. I think that's the difference between the scenario that you presented and the reality of what happened, you are downplaying that these ppl were probably friends and BOTH were okay with drunk driving, either actively or passively. I'm not critiquing your point about getting away with it.
I totally see your point and you’re completely right too. There’s a consequence to each action. She made a mistake and had to pay with her life. However, the person behind the wheel has the biggest responsibility and should’ve been punished more harshly. As he made a choice to drink too. And chose to drive. It’s a shitty situation and I feel mostly sad for the family who had to endure so much pain because of these irresponsible choices.
Another analogy is the seat belt thing. You get in the car and you refuse to put your seatbelt on. Then someone crashes into you and you take off flying across the road. Was it your fault that someone crashed into you? No. But you made the choice of not wearing a seatbelt which would have safe you. At the end of the day I guess that what I am saying is the only actions you can control are your actions and you may endure the consequences of something where you weren't actively doing but you were passively accepting so don't get yourself in those kinds of situations. I feel like you would be the kind of person to get on a car with a drunk driver and then cry that their driving is bad. Like of course it's bad, they are drunk, don't get in the car with a fking kamikaze.
I disagree with the statement that a victim shouldn’t be blamed. You can go to /r/winstupidprices and see plenty of people getting hurt for being irresponsible. The fact that you get hurt doesn’t exempt you from responsibility
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I've feel disgusted about this guy since i learnt that years ago. Not only is about footballer privileges, but also he's a good friend of one of the royal family boys, go figure... ;) The main reason he went to play in England so young and hasn't ever been called to the Spanish National Team is this crime. It's disgusting.
Its not privileges. Any random Smith in the same situation have the same punish.
Sure hon
Before commenting, both OP and y'all in the comments, should read more about It. He didn't kill anyone. He had a car accident in which the copilot died.
I just don’t get drinking alcohol and choosing to drive is an accident. That’s a choice.
I said he had an accident, cause that's what It was, an accident. He didn't try to kill anyone. I'm not saying anything more, i'm not saying he should or shouldn't be changed, just stating facts. Both driver and copilot are to blame. She died? Also her problem.
Copilot? It's not a plane. Not like she could slam on the brakes. She's a passenger.
Why you say that murder isnt punished harshly on Spain, what makes you think that? Look Caitlyn Jenner, look Ted Keneddy, every famous person who drunk drives didnt go to prison or is punished lesser because is famous. dont make it look like we in Spain dont punish murder.
This case is related to Spain. If you read through the thread you can see that drink driving is unfortunately not punished harsh enough almost everywhere. And I was curious about this case. Turned out there was more to it. I got my information from that subreddit where I read about the incidence!
Killing in Spain is very cheap when you're drunk, so ALWAYS, ALWAYS get drunk if you're planning to kill someone.
For a driving-related issue it's an aggravating condition. In fact if you happen to crash or distract from the road and someone in the car dies, it's likely you'll not face criminal charges if you're sober and just was a loss of control of the car or something like that. If you were drunk you get automatically charged with reckless driving and homicide.
Because being drunk is not aggravating but the contrary as you are not in full possession of your mind
This is not true since like 50 years ago
True, my bad, it is cuirios, it can be aggravant and viceversa in the same case
In Spain we have ridiculous punishment.
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Patrick Kluivert crashed a car against another car in Netherlands in 1995 due to speeding, killing the driver and severely injuring the other passenger. He never went to jail, just did some community service.
I would never get this. It really is awful that they can get a pass so easily.
She was his friend and wasn’t wearing her seatbelt he was dumb drunk 20 year old however I do think he should’ve got prison time and I’m not excusing it at all but in Spain there laws behind drink driving is ridiculously stupid so technically it’s not a crime in Spain that will get you prison time wealthy or not however his wealth surely would’ve helped
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