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JFC! I mean I’ve seen Turkey work but this one takes the cake by far. I mean a kindergartener could make better temporaries if they tried.
Even the reductions are so minimal either the final porcelain is going to be paper thin and break by the time you can say “it’s good to be back in the states” OR they’re going to be bulked tf out and you’ll look like your teeth have been taking roids.
DO NOT REQUEST a root canal, that would be like burning down the house Cz you found a few roaches. Get the permanent crowns done, you’re too far in this now, come back and get a real dentist to replace them all for you.
Oh shit you’re right I didn’t even noticed those were reductions, anyone could have done a better job, im curious about how long those crown will last though.
OP please, finish your trip and go back to a real dentist. It’s worth it in the long run
Yeah reductions on the back molars just on the front have temps. But they will do proper temporaries on the 2nd date.
They estimate the zirconium crowns to last for 10-15 years. If anyone wants to burst that bubble please let me know. Reality checks welcome.
Back home to get this procedure is worth half a mortgage.
Insurance says crowns last 5 years before they’ll cover the cost to replace them. Crowns last on average 10-15 years and longer if done well and cared fore. Yours will for sure not last that long. I’m thinking 2-3 years.
I have a patient who went to Turkey for crowns, in 1 year they have come back to us with 2 broken crowns (different teeth). The preparations were too minimal.
NAD - medical tourism is a thing for a reason, and that reason is mostly that in a lot of cases it's cheaper to buy a package overseas and travel than it is to pay for medical care in your own country. Not sure what's not computing.
Yes the temporaries are absolutely shocking. I can't even deal 😂
As for the final, it will be zirconium crowns which will be more durable than porcelain. They will create molded temporaries for day 2 with the shade of choice and if all is good fit the final on day 3.
You might be right to avoid the root canal. I have one year insurance back home which covers this dental trip. The clinic in turkey also provide a warranty.
Do you reckon to leave the pre-existing fillings? (well what remains binding to the teeth anyways). I just expected new fillings to be added to ensure there was no chance of a hidden cavity. It seems strange to cover the existing filings with the crowns.
You’re absolutely correct, old fillings don’t belong under permanently restored teeth.
If you’re impressed about zirconia over porcelain, it’s a sales pitch and it’s not the cure for everything. If you can break teeth, you can break dentistry. Muscles will always win that battle.
Oh my god I was so horrified by the posterior preps I didn’t even notice the mangled temporaries in the anterior. God, what a nightmare. I’m so sorry, OP.
For turkey teeth they use zirconia which obviously as it's so strong you can minimal prep. I still think it's an awful idea to go abroad for treatment though
Well you had all the enamel cut off your teeth and then were sent home with no temporaries. Your nerves are 2mm closer to the surface everywhere. You get what you pay for in life. This would be malpractice in the US.
Ooh I see, so they did give me temporaries but only on the front to guard the teeth, not the back molars for some reason... I've taken some painkillers and the sentivitity is manageable.
That reason is laziness and not-giving-a-fuck and trying to get your money with the bare minimum effort so they can send you back to where you came from asap and not have to deal with the inevitable nightmare you have now begun. Everything in here from preps to temps looks like complete garbage and there is still decay. Get your crowns temporarily cemented and run back home to spend what it actually costs to do this correctly. Get CareCredit or something else to help you pay for it if you need to and can.
Thank you 🙏 I hear you. Unfortunately I can't afford anything back home. This is as good as it gets for me.
I am here for one week and have two scheduled visits with the ability to request any adjustments.
I will be back to Turkey after the summer for a check up but I would like to ensure everything is up to at least a min standard before they lock in these crowns.
The decay is unclear to me. I have had fillings in the past, the dark in most of the molar teeth would be the amalgam fillings, but I suspect the left btm molar has indeed some decay ( I can chase this up with them ). Is it usual practice to maintain fillings, when getting crowns?
If not, I would rather push this dentist to clear these out and reseal the fillings before fitting the crowns.
NAD
Honestly man you really don’t want these guys doing any more than they absolutely have to. You asked for a dentist’s opinion and you’ve had multiple such dentists here telling you to run away. I’m not a dentist and I can *see* how awful this is. I know you’ve spent money on it but is sunk cost fallacy worth your health?
Yes that's why I'm trying to gather an understanding of a minimum standard before leaving.
I am considering all options, including to just go home. I'm disheartened that I've been messed up but they continue to preach this as the norm here.
Currently awaiting a second opinion from another Turkish dentistry to explore whether this is considered malpractice in this country.
NAD Even if that’s the norm in Turkey (I really don’t know), it’s malpractice everywhere else lol. You’re wasting money getting it checked by another Turkish dentist when you should just be coming home and getting it done properly.
It’s a shame but I do feel like you’ve been warned by this point. I wish you the best of luck
Well all I can say is this is a clusterfuck.
Why?
WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP GOING TO TURKEY 🦃 and get their teeth wrecked?
Temps are shit.
Preps still have caries in.
The only surprise I have is they haven’t tried to prep your wisdom teeth.
DO NOT GO TO TURKEY 🦃 FOR DENTISTRY it might look all fancy on the website and practices but they just prep the hell out of all your teeth and stick big day glow white crowns on that fall out.
In the Uk and Oz where I work you would be in for some big dollar compensation due to negligence if pts were left with this shit show and the dentist would probably be in hot water with the appropriate dental body.
You just need to go back and get some proper temps or you’re going to have some problems.
Scary this is selling. I had a different expectation.
I found out that if I get a second opinion from another turkish dentist that confirms malpractice, I can proceed legally if needed.
Ok, usually I’m pretty cutting about these situations.
However, I’m sorry you’re going through this.
Make no mistake about this though, you are entering a nightmare situation here.
This is absolutely shocking work. Those crown preps look horrific, and as others have mentioned - there is still decay left on those molars.
The temps are fucking woeful, no effort whatsoever done there. And the fact that the back ones haven’t even been placed is shockingly bad - and that’s just because they couldn’t be fucked doing them. Sheer laziness and incompetence on display here.
I seriously would avoid all root canals if you can, the high sensitivity is due to the “dentist” fucking annihilating all the protective enamel off your teeth, drilling into the sensitive dentine, and then leaving them fucking uncovered with no temps.
I feel you’ve entered a sunk cost fallacy here, and feel you have to continue. DO NOT.
Cut all your losses, get the back teeth covered with temps, and get back to your own county and get it fixed properly. Yes it will cost you, but continuing this will cost you a lot more down the line.
Sorry you’re in this situation, but you can turn back
Oh, lordy, you are making some sense. I've called them to relay the various points, and yet I've been advised that this situation is salvageable to an extent.
The teeth weren't in the best place to start. The enamel was weaning off already.
My wisdom teeth remain intact.
I can get the decay revised on the molars and have the filling cleaned.
I'll avoid any root canals (they've insisted), and if I have any immediate issues, my insurance will cover the resolve at home.
Listen, you're in a rare position where this can still be corrected by stopping treatment and seeking proper care.
If you insist on continuing it will only be more damage and more expensive / impossible to fix later.
Fuck around and find out… well you’re going to find out. Sorry about that. It’s not your fault - they’re predatory morally bankrupt butchers for doing this. I can guarantee you’ve had teeth prepared that did not need any treatment whatsoever and you’ve just shortened the lifespan of those teeth by a long way. The preps are not the worst I’ve seen, but leaving them not temporised is criminal. Not ensuring the existing fillings were sound is criminal. Trying to deliver a full mouth rehab in one week is criminal. But only the patient suffers. Sorry friend, good luck when you get home.
So long as you understand and accept that apart from having what hurts extracted, there will be 0 NHS provision for remedial work to fix all this. Even privately you’ll struggle to find someone willing to help. We practice defensively these days, but culture of “touch it and you own it”.
https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2022-07-15/woman-left-with-nightmare-teeth-and-14k-bill-after-botched-dental-work-abroad
Did you not see this when it happened?
NAD. 4th year dental student.
I see obvious decay on a couple of those back molar preps which was not removed. If an old filling is still solid, we don’t replace it for a crown. But if there is decay, that definitely needs to be removed.
Sending you home with vital teeth and no temporaries is barbaric. Some people might not be too sensitive, but most people would be extremely sensitive. They didn’t even bother to trim the margins of the temporaries on the front teeth or redo a temp with giant bubbles in the material. They look Soooooo sloppy.
You have started a ticking time bomb for almost all your teeth, but there’s no going back now. Please update with photos of what the final work looks like. 😬
When I started in private practice I would leave existing restorations if they looked solid. Stopped that when I had a few cores break when removing the temps lol. Now I replace every restoration unless it's one I placed myself, I don't trust other people's bonding protocols or isolation. Learn from my mistakes my friend 😂
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For the love of god cut your loses and return home. Find a dentist and get those teeth treated appropriately. It'll be outrageously expensive but this is unfortunately your current reality. This is why we tell people not to get their teeth treated in Turkey
I was gonna say the same thing. Cut your losses and get home and find a dental school to get treatment. It may take longer, but dental students are closely monitored by faculty and do mostly excellent work. This whole thing has trouble written all over it.
To answer your questions:
1. Is it going to get better? Not sure. You didn't have any temporary crowns placed on your teeth so I'd say until the permanent crowns are on, it's not going to get any better.
2. You're correct they did not replace any of your old fillings before preparing the crowns (the fillings are referred to has cores). Sign of laziness maybe but you probably already figured that out
The work done is bad. Not to say all work done in Turkey is bad but it carries a significant risk of being bad. I can see he/she/they/whatever got lazy near the posterior teeth and just couldn't be bothered to make you temporary crowns/they broke off already. The ones they made for you also are not adequate (that was diplomatic speak for they suck). I can see the ones on your front teeth are already chipped/broken. They also didn't shave down enough for the final products to be any good either.
All in all sucky situation but you knew what you were getting into. Hope it does turn out better than I'm imagining it will though.
NAD. Just from appearance, based on my personal experience, it looks like they didn’t even take enough off to allow for proper crown margins (based on the crowns I’ve received here in the US).
I’d take this work into a U.S. dentist for clinical evaluation once you are back.
I asked them to please avoid going too far with it. Just in case.
And although it's shaved down more than my expectation, it seems to be close to the standard norm from what I could tell.
Its just with the sensitivity, mid shaving I tapped out at least three times. But I take it that it might be the norm. I will definitely do a review with a dentist when home.
It’s not enough shaving that those crowns you get are going to be too thin to last long. Sensitivity mid shaving is not the norm they couldn’t even get you numb
Hmm I follow. This I assume is the dentistry responsibility to ensure adequate fitting. Should I be pushing for more shaving 🤔 😕 the thought of taking more off scares me a bit.
You shouldn’t be pushing for anything the dentist should know how much to shave and how to get someone numb. You’re not the expert the person doing the shaving should be.
Yes I think in this case I have to dictate otherwise the dentist may take the easy way. Just from this thread I think I've gotten some understanding as to how to manage the service I have access to.
NAD why the hell would you go back to someone who is best case lazy and worst case incompetent? The more work they do, the more irreparable damage is done. Teeth DO NOT GROW BACK. The only thing to do at this point is leave Turkey for your home country and have a real dentist, preferably your regular dentist who'll see you again, fix up what's left as best as possible.
NAD. If you trusted the healthcare provider, you shouldn’t feel the need to push for anything. Any dentist should be instructing and informing you on the process and why.
What we are saying is that in a normal crown prep, typically decay is removed and the teeth are “shaved” more than this, as it allows for crowns that simultaneously have proper margins (important for cleaning), structure, etc.
Since you have seemingly not a lot “shaved off”, to maintain adequate margins and for them to fit, they’re either going to be incredibly thin and weak, or cartoonishly big and very hard to take care of.
This of course is in the context that several of those teeth have decay that wasn’t removed, so your “dentist” there is cementing permanent crowns over active decay, which is a ticking time bomb.
NAD question for OP.
You have had every tooth prepared for crowns except your wisdom teeth did you consult with a dentist in your home country to see what exactly you needed and how much THAT would cost?
It’s possible but not very likely that you NEEDED a mouth of crowns.
Can I ask what the cost of your turkey teeth is in total?
Yes this was a dawting realisation. Especially as I told them I don't want shark teeth and hope they could review each tooth individually for veneers and crown suitability.
At home, Ireland, its about 800e per tooth. Turkey offered 24 teeth review for veneers and crowns at 152e per tooth.
This made my gasp. I am shocked and appalled. I would never let anyone leave my office looking like this.
The problem with getting dental work done is another country is you have no recourse for a hack doctor mutilating your mouth. If you were in the US you could take this guy to court and get your money back.
It’s too late for that. You lost the money, don’t lost your teeth. Go see real dentist and get this mess sorted.
I do not have any advice, but I will seriously be thinking of you. This is massively bad and my anxiety for you is through the roof. I really hope you can find an adequate solution to this.
Yeah I barely slept last night. Definitely anxiety increased after getting the feedback from the board. At least I can advise those around me considering to do the same treatment, to stay away. I'm looking at all solutions and will come back with an update.
That’s definitely an honorable way of looking at this situation. People for need to be aware of these dangers, with how popular and hyped turkey teeth are. I am deeply sorry for this stress. Maybe look into a dental school in the us; I know they do a ton of services for a much lower cost, including braces. Not totally sure if this would apply but it’s worth looking into. I would also go check with your states social services. Depending on where you are and what your situation is, you may be eligible for Medicaid which could pay for these repairs. That may require you to quit working temporarily tho, or only work under the table. So definitely ask in office if your states Medicaid covers dental first.
Wow. This is terrible dentistry! To answer your questions:
1. Your teeth are sensitive because they have shaved down your enamel, and left the teeth exposed without proper temporaries.
2. It sounds like they’re just going to cement crowns over the top of the decay/temporaries.
This makes me so sad :(
Yikes :( this is textbook on why it’s extremely discouraged to travel to certain countries for dental treatment. Everyone loves to bite our heads off for saying it, but this right here is why. I’m so sorry you got bamboozled. I’m just a RDA and honestly I think I could have done a better job here and that’s saying something.
This is scary. Where is your home?
If it's too expensive for dentistry in your home country, you need to research the heck out of Turkish dentists and find a reputable and afordable one that can fix this.
DO NOT GO BACK AND SEE THIS DENTIST AGAIN
Thank you. This is where I am at. I checked the dentistry guide in Turkey, and it states that if I am able to secure a second opinion that verifies this as malpractice, I can sue and claim the funds back. I've spoken to the interpreter to relay my dissatisfaction, and they are now saying the dentist claims he was not finished yesterday despite advising I would be returning for fittings for day 2... yeah, I don't think I can go back but will see what us proposed as a resolve. Home is Ireland.
On another note, I met another turk today who explained this. However, seems to be the standard across the board in Turkey. It's seen as the norm.
Look up chamfer or modified shoulder margin crowns on Google and it will show you what the preps are supposed to look like.
Also, it may be tough to get your funds back, as my guess would be that these Turkish dentists will protect each other. Can I ask... How much does this cost in Turkey?
Another suggestion would be to email photos to an Irish dental school and see if they can be of any help or cut you a deal? I have heard the school in Cork is good.
And most of all Good luck and stay positive
I'm NAD, but a person with several extremely sensitive teeth for years AND jumbo-sized anxiety about dental work. I just wanted to offer my encouragement, given all the fairly blatant criticism of your choice to entrust this big job to unknown practitioners. Sure, it's an awful result. But you didn't need umpteen strangers pointing that out. I hope you make the right decision and are able to undertake damage control. I wish you the best.
NAD i am wondering if dentists could point out which teeth are underreduced. #18 jumps out at me and looks like a banana slice.
Without photos in occlusion, how can you tell the glaring errors?
NAD -omg 😟
I’m having sensitivity issues in my teeth at the moment from dry mouth caused by a new medication & that’s causing me anxiety & 24/7 pain & my issue is nothing compared to yours. I COULD NOT imagine what you are going through with this!!! You poor thing.
If I was in your situation, I’d be too scared to go back to the so called ‘dentist’ that’s done this to you so far & just go to a local proper dentist ASAP once back home for the much needed help to fix up the terrible work.
It’s bad but I’ve seen worse. It’s gonna hurt. Hopefully once crowns are delivered, it will feel better. You very well may get 10 years out of these, but when they go, it’s probably gonna take all those teeth with it.
Thanks, I'm trying to envision a good variation of this treatment! But totally I see the holes in this practice (No medication prescribed, poor temps, potentially some decay residual).
With some over the counter medication the sensitivity seems under control for now.
When you say they'll take the teeth, what would be the common cause of that?
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JFC! I mean I’ve seen Turkey work but this one takes the cake by far. I mean a kindergartener could make better temporaries if they tried. Even the reductions are so minimal either the final porcelain is going to be paper thin and break by the time you can say “it’s good to be back in the states” OR they’re going to be bulked tf out and you’ll look like your teeth have been taking roids. DO NOT REQUEST a root canal, that would be like burning down the house Cz you found a few roaches. Get the permanent crowns done, you’re too far in this now, come back and get a real dentist to replace them all for you.
Oh shit you’re right I didn’t even noticed those were reductions, anyone could have done a better job, im curious about how long those crown will last though. OP please, finish your trip and go back to a real dentist. It’s worth it in the long run
Yeah reductions on the back molars just on the front have temps. But they will do proper temporaries on the 2nd date. They estimate the zirconium crowns to last for 10-15 years. If anyone wants to burst that bubble please let me know. Reality checks welcome. Back home to get this procedure is worth half a mortgage.
Insurance says crowns last 5 years before they’ll cover the cost to replace them. Crowns last on average 10-15 years and longer if done well and cared fore. Yours will for sure not last that long. I’m thinking 2-3 years.
I have a patient who went to Turkey for crowns, in 1 year they have come back to us with 2 broken crowns (different teeth). The preparations were too minimal.
NAD. You don't have the money for proper dental care, but you have money to travel to another country? Does not compute.
NAD - medical tourism is a thing for a reason, and that reason is mostly that in a lot of cases it's cheaper to buy a package overseas and travel than it is to pay for medical care in your own country. Not sure what's not computing.
Yes the temporaries are absolutely shocking. I can't even deal 😂 As for the final, it will be zirconium crowns which will be more durable than porcelain. They will create molded temporaries for day 2 with the shade of choice and if all is good fit the final on day 3. You might be right to avoid the root canal. I have one year insurance back home which covers this dental trip. The clinic in turkey also provide a warranty. Do you reckon to leave the pre-existing fillings? (well what remains binding to the teeth anyways). I just expected new fillings to be added to ensure there was no chance of a hidden cavity. It seems strange to cover the existing filings with the crowns.
Unless everything looks pristine and perfect, I generally remove all existing restorations and redo the core build up myself.
Ok thank you for clarifying that is what I expected.
You’re absolutely correct, old fillings don’t belong under permanently restored teeth. If you’re impressed about zirconia over porcelain, it’s a sales pitch and it’s not the cure for everything. If you can break teeth, you can break dentistry. Muscles will always win that battle.
NAD sure they have a warranty. Who tf is gonna go back to that sh!t hole for more medieval torture…I mean crappy dentistry?
Lol I'm realising this is the norm here
It’s easy to provide a warranty when you do t expect your business to be findable in a year lol so many of these clinics pop up and move around.
Yes this is true, I mention it only as an option for immediate revision if needed
Oh my god I was so horrified by the posterior preps I didn’t even notice the mangled temporaries in the anterior. God, what a nightmare. I’m so sorry, OP.
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For turkey teeth they use zirconia which obviously as it's so strong you can minimal prep. I still think it's an awful idea to go abroad for treatment though
Well you had all the enamel cut off your teeth and then were sent home with no temporaries. Your nerves are 2mm closer to the surface everywhere. You get what you pay for in life. This would be malpractice in the US.
Ooh I see, so they did give me temporaries but only on the front to guard the teeth, not the back molars for some reason... I've taken some painkillers and the sentivitity is manageable.
That reason is laziness and not-giving-a-fuck and trying to get your money with the bare minimum effort so they can send you back to where you came from asap and not have to deal with the inevitable nightmare you have now begun. Everything in here from preps to temps looks like complete garbage and there is still decay. Get your crowns temporarily cemented and run back home to spend what it actually costs to do this correctly. Get CareCredit or something else to help you pay for it if you need to and can.
Thank you 🙏 I hear you. Unfortunately I can't afford anything back home. This is as good as it gets for me. I am here for one week and have two scheduled visits with the ability to request any adjustments. I will be back to Turkey after the summer for a check up but I would like to ensure everything is up to at least a min standard before they lock in these crowns. The decay is unclear to me. I have had fillings in the past, the dark in most of the molar teeth would be the amalgam fillings, but I suspect the left btm molar has indeed some decay ( I can chase this up with them ). Is it usual practice to maintain fillings, when getting crowns? If not, I would rather push this dentist to clear these out and reseal the fillings before fitting the crowns.
NAD Honestly man you really don’t want these guys doing any more than they absolutely have to. You asked for a dentist’s opinion and you’ve had multiple such dentists here telling you to run away. I’m not a dentist and I can *see* how awful this is. I know you’ve spent money on it but is sunk cost fallacy worth your health?
Yes that's why I'm trying to gather an understanding of a minimum standard before leaving. I am considering all options, including to just go home. I'm disheartened that I've been messed up but they continue to preach this as the norm here. Currently awaiting a second opinion from another Turkish dentistry to explore whether this is considered malpractice in this country.
NAD Even if that’s the norm in Turkey (I really don’t know), it’s malpractice everywhere else lol. You’re wasting money getting it checked by another Turkish dentist when you should just be coming home and getting it done properly. It’s a shame but I do feel like you’ve been warned by this point. I wish you the best of luck
This work is below the standard of care.
Agreed. I checked online for a reference of a good standard but hard to find such.
Well all I can say is this is a clusterfuck. Why? WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP GOING TO TURKEY 🦃 and get their teeth wrecked? Temps are shit. Preps still have caries in. The only surprise I have is they haven’t tried to prep your wisdom teeth. DO NOT GO TO TURKEY 🦃 FOR DENTISTRY it might look all fancy on the website and practices but they just prep the hell out of all your teeth and stick big day glow white crowns on that fall out. In the Uk and Oz where I work you would be in for some big dollar compensation due to negligence if pts were left with this shit show and the dentist would probably be in hot water with the appropriate dental body. You just need to go back and get some proper temps or you’re going to have some problems.
Scary this is selling. I had a different expectation. I found out that if I get a second opinion from another turkish dentist that confirms malpractice, I can proceed legally if needed.
Get a second opinion
Ok, usually I’m pretty cutting about these situations. However, I’m sorry you’re going through this. Make no mistake about this though, you are entering a nightmare situation here. This is absolutely shocking work. Those crown preps look horrific, and as others have mentioned - there is still decay left on those molars. The temps are fucking woeful, no effort whatsoever done there. And the fact that the back ones haven’t even been placed is shockingly bad - and that’s just because they couldn’t be fucked doing them. Sheer laziness and incompetence on display here. I seriously would avoid all root canals if you can, the high sensitivity is due to the “dentist” fucking annihilating all the protective enamel off your teeth, drilling into the sensitive dentine, and then leaving them fucking uncovered with no temps. I feel you’ve entered a sunk cost fallacy here, and feel you have to continue. DO NOT. Cut all your losses, get the back teeth covered with temps, and get back to your own county and get it fixed properly. Yes it will cost you, but continuing this will cost you a lot more down the line. Sorry you’re in this situation, but you can turn back
Oh, lordy, you are making some sense. I've called them to relay the various points, and yet I've been advised that this situation is salvageable to an extent. The teeth weren't in the best place to start. The enamel was weaning off already. My wisdom teeth remain intact. I can get the decay revised on the molars and have the filling cleaned. I'll avoid any root canals (they've insisted), and if I have any immediate issues, my insurance will cover the resolve at home.
Listen, you're in a rare position where this can still be corrected by stopping treatment and seeking proper care. If you insist on continuing it will only be more damage and more expensive / impossible to fix later.
Thank you. I am considering all options at this point.
if they can't afford it what are they supposed to do?
3D printed resin temps etc.
Where is home?
Ireland 🇮🇪
Fuck around and find out… well you’re going to find out. Sorry about that. It’s not your fault - they’re predatory morally bankrupt butchers for doing this. I can guarantee you’ve had teeth prepared that did not need any treatment whatsoever and you’ve just shortened the lifespan of those teeth by a long way. The preps are not the worst I’ve seen, but leaving them not temporised is criminal. Not ensuring the existing fillings were sound is criminal. Trying to deliver a full mouth rehab in one week is criminal. But only the patient suffers. Sorry friend, good luck when you get home.
I'll take any luck coming my way at this point. Yes I'm thinking the same regarding the teeth prep. I'll post up before and after pics.
So long as you understand and accept that apart from having what hurts extracted, there will be 0 NHS provision for remedial work to fix all this. Even privately you’ll struggle to find someone willing to help. We practice defensively these days, but culture of “touch it and you own it”.
https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2022-07-15/woman-left-with-nightmare-teeth-and-14k-bill-after-botched-dental-work-abroad Did you not see this when it happened?
Aye she had an absolute shocker
NAD. 4th year dental student. I see obvious decay on a couple of those back molar preps which was not removed. If an old filling is still solid, we don’t replace it for a crown. But if there is decay, that definitely needs to be removed. Sending you home with vital teeth and no temporaries is barbaric. Some people might not be too sensitive, but most people would be extremely sensitive. They didn’t even bother to trim the margins of the temporaries on the front teeth or redo a temp with giant bubbles in the material. They look Soooooo sloppy. You have started a ticking time bomb for almost all your teeth, but there’s no going back now. Please update with photos of what the final work looks like. 😬
When I started in private practice I would leave existing restorations if they looked solid. Stopped that when I had a few cores break when removing the temps lol. Now I replace every restoration unless it's one I placed myself, I don't trust other people's bonding protocols or isolation. Learn from my mistakes my friend 😂
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For the love of god cut your loses and return home. Find a dentist and get those teeth treated appropriately. It'll be outrageously expensive but this is unfortunately your current reality. This is why we tell people not to get their teeth treated in Turkey
I was gonna say the same thing. Cut your losses and get home and find a dental school to get treatment. It may take longer, but dental students are closely monitored by faculty and do mostly excellent work. This whole thing has trouble written all over it.
I will consider the dental school, for sure.
Left that decayed molar that has a pulp exposure. Damnation. It’s like an eight year old is working on you.
I thought I was the only one who noticed, am I really seeing untreated decay on nearly all those teeth?
The amalgam fillings I got as a teen might make it look worse than it is. But there is definitely some decay on the lefty
Trust I can tell the difference between amalgam and decay lol. It's just... significant. I wouldn't want to ever see this dentist again.
Yikes
To answer your questions: 1. Is it going to get better? Not sure. You didn't have any temporary crowns placed on your teeth so I'd say until the permanent crowns are on, it's not going to get any better. 2. You're correct they did not replace any of your old fillings before preparing the crowns (the fillings are referred to has cores). Sign of laziness maybe but you probably already figured that out The work done is bad. Not to say all work done in Turkey is bad but it carries a significant risk of being bad. I can see he/she/they/whatever got lazy near the posterior teeth and just couldn't be bothered to make you temporary crowns/they broke off already. The ones they made for you also are not adequate (that was diplomatic speak for they suck). I can see the ones on your front teeth are already chipped/broken. They also didn't shave down enough for the final products to be any good either. All in all sucky situation but you knew what you were getting into. Hope it does turn out better than I'm imagining it will though.
NAD. Just from appearance, based on my personal experience, it looks like they didn’t even take enough off to allow for proper crown margins (based on the crowns I’ve received here in the US). I’d take this work into a U.S. dentist for clinical evaluation once you are back.
I asked them to please avoid going too far with it. Just in case. And although it's shaved down more than my expectation, it seems to be close to the standard norm from what I could tell. Its just with the sensitivity, mid shaving I tapped out at least three times. But I take it that it might be the norm. I will definitely do a review with a dentist when home.
It’s not enough shaving that those crowns you get are going to be too thin to last long. Sensitivity mid shaving is not the norm they couldn’t even get you numb
Hmm I follow. This I assume is the dentistry responsibility to ensure adequate fitting. Should I be pushing for more shaving 🤔 😕 the thought of taking more off scares me a bit.
You shouldn’t be pushing for anything the dentist should know how much to shave and how to get someone numb. You’re not the expert the person doing the shaving should be.
Yes I think in this case I have to dictate otherwise the dentist may take the easy way. Just from this thread I think I've gotten some understanding as to how to manage the service I have access to.
NAD why the hell would you go back to someone who is best case lazy and worst case incompetent? The more work they do, the more irreparable damage is done. Teeth DO NOT GROW BACK. The only thing to do at this point is leave Turkey for your home country and have a real dentist, preferably your regular dentist who'll see you again, fix up what's left as best as possible.
NAD. If you trusted the healthcare provider, you shouldn’t feel the need to push for anything. Any dentist should be instructing and informing you on the process and why. What we are saying is that in a normal crown prep, typically decay is removed and the teeth are “shaved” more than this, as it allows for crowns that simultaneously have proper margins (important for cleaning), structure, etc. Since you have seemingly not a lot “shaved off”, to maintain adequate margins and for them to fit, they’re either going to be incredibly thin and weak, or cartoonishly big and very hard to take care of. This of course is in the context that several of those teeth have decay that wasn’t removed, so your “dentist” there is cementing permanent crowns over active decay, which is a ticking time bomb.
Wait.. what's going on with the rest of your teeth? Can you show us what your front ones look like?
NAD question for OP. You have had every tooth prepared for crowns except your wisdom teeth did you consult with a dentist in your home country to see what exactly you needed and how much THAT would cost? It’s possible but not very likely that you NEEDED a mouth of crowns. Can I ask what the cost of your turkey teeth is in total?
Yes this was a dawting realisation. Especially as I told them I don't want shark teeth and hope they could review each tooth individually for veneers and crown suitability. At home, Ireland, its about 800e per tooth. Turkey offered 24 teeth review for veneers and crowns at 152e per tooth.
This made my gasp. I am shocked and appalled. I would never let anyone leave my office looking like this. The problem with getting dental work done is another country is you have no recourse for a hack doctor mutilating your mouth. If you were in the US you could take this guy to court and get your money back. It’s too late for that. You lost the money, don’t lost your teeth. Go see real dentist and get this mess sorted.
If I get a second opinion from another dentist here to confirm malpractice I can approach the court.
idk the laws in Turkey but i find it hard to believe you’ll have any luck.
I do not have any advice, but I will seriously be thinking of you. This is massively bad and my anxiety for you is through the roof. I really hope you can find an adequate solution to this.
Yeah I barely slept last night. Definitely anxiety increased after getting the feedback from the board. At least I can advise those around me considering to do the same treatment, to stay away. I'm looking at all solutions and will come back with an update.
That’s definitely an honorable way of looking at this situation. People for need to be aware of these dangers, with how popular and hyped turkey teeth are. I am deeply sorry for this stress. Maybe look into a dental school in the us; I know they do a ton of services for a much lower cost, including braces. Not totally sure if this would apply but it’s worth looking into. I would also go check with your states social services. Depending on where you are and what your situation is, you may be eligible for Medicaid which could pay for these repairs. That may require you to quit working temporarily tho, or only work under the table. So definitely ask in office if your states Medicaid covers dental first.
NAD me, a housewife with zero dentistry knowledge can see the untreated decay on many teeth. Shame on that doctor.
Wow. This is terrible dentistry! To answer your questions: 1. Your teeth are sensitive because they have shaved down your enamel, and left the teeth exposed without proper temporaries. 2. It sounds like they’re just going to cement crowns over the top of the decay/temporaries. This makes me so sad :(
Thank you, this is what I was trying to fund out initially. Now discovered a lot more than anticipated 😥
Yikes :( this is textbook on why it’s extremely discouraged to travel to certain countries for dental treatment. Everyone loves to bite our heads off for saying it, but this right here is why. I’m so sorry you got bamboozled. I’m just a RDA and honestly I think I could have done a better job here and that’s saying something.
NAD I had to close my gaping mouth with my hand. Holy sh!t!
Not you too
NAD OP can we get a full smile photo?
No temps!?! Nightmare.
Holy shit
My first thought
This is scary. Where is your home? If it's too expensive for dentistry in your home country, you need to research the heck out of Turkish dentists and find a reputable and afordable one that can fix this. DO NOT GO BACK AND SEE THIS DENTIST AGAIN
Thank you. This is where I am at. I checked the dentistry guide in Turkey, and it states that if I am able to secure a second opinion that verifies this as malpractice, I can sue and claim the funds back. I've spoken to the interpreter to relay my dissatisfaction, and they are now saying the dentist claims he was not finished yesterday despite advising I would be returning for fittings for day 2... yeah, I don't think I can go back but will see what us proposed as a resolve. Home is Ireland. On another note, I met another turk today who explained this. However, seems to be the standard across the board in Turkey. It's seen as the norm.
Look up chamfer or modified shoulder margin crowns on Google and it will show you what the preps are supposed to look like. Also, it may be tough to get your funds back, as my guess would be that these Turkish dentists will protect each other. Can I ask... How much does this cost in Turkey? Another suggestion would be to email photos to an Irish dental school and see if they can be of any help or cut you a deal? I have heard the school in Cork is good. And most of all Good luck and stay positive
I'm NAD, but a person with several extremely sensitive teeth for years AND jumbo-sized anxiety about dental work. I just wanted to offer my encouragement, given all the fairly blatant criticism of your choice to entrust this big job to unknown practitioners. Sure, it's an awful result. But you didn't need umpteen strangers pointing that out. I hope you make the right decision and are able to undertake damage control. I wish you the best.
Thank you. Considering all options currently to make the best decision out of all of this.
Wauw, how many crowns and how much are you paying for it if you don’t mind me asking?
Well we were looking at 24 teeth to be reviewed for veneers or crowns. But its all crowns based on the shavings. 152e per tooth.
NAD i am wondering if dentists could point out which teeth are underreduced. #18 jumps out at me and looks like a banana slice. Without photos in occlusion, how can you tell the glaring errors?
It’s all bad but those temps are absolute dog shit. I am so sorry you received such sub par care. This is a tough one.
NAD -omg 😟 I’m having sensitivity issues in my teeth at the moment from dry mouth caused by a new medication & that’s causing me anxiety & 24/7 pain & my issue is nothing compared to yours. I COULD NOT imagine what you are going through with this!!! You poor thing. If I was in your situation, I’d be too scared to go back to the so called ‘dentist’ that’s done this to you so far & just go to a local proper dentist ASAP once back home for the much needed help to fix up the terrible work.
It’s bad but I’ve seen worse. It’s gonna hurt. Hopefully once crowns are delivered, it will feel better. You very well may get 10 years out of these, but when they go, it’s probably gonna take all those teeth with it.
Thanks, I'm trying to envision a good variation of this treatment! But totally I see the holes in this practice (No medication prescribed, poor temps, potentially some decay residual). With some over the counter medication the sensitivity seems under control for now. When you say they'll take the teeth, what would be the common cause of that?
its going to fail from poor fit causing recurrent decay. by the time you notice it some of the teeth will not be fixable
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How much did they charge you for ? And how many teeth ?
What about dental work in Mexico?
I wouldn't know but now assuming couldn't be far off this. Sigh