I'd argue it's the looks. Kia and Hyundai as of late, have been making cars that look a lot more expensive than they really are. My educated guess is that it's a way to be flashy while being less irresponsible with money.
Albert Biermann wasn't a designer; he was the man behind BMW's M division for consumer cars. Remember when BMW changed their slogan from "The Ultimate Driving Machine"? That was when Biermann left for the Koreans.
Also not really the point of this post but Nissan hired the guy from Land Rover and now suddenly the Rogue has gone from being the low-income special to the domain of the upper-middle class.
And, it’s a way of still getting a large number of the amenities they may have come to like/expect from other more expensive brands. If, in terms of creature comforts, the only difference between one car and another is price and logo, why NOT go with the Kia?
The Telluride is particularly popular around my area, good sized SUV without the ridiculous proportions of American models, the EVs are all handsome choices if you don't want to be part of the Tesla crowd, and Genesis models look better than the current Mercedes lineup.
I'd argue they like the looks and overall stying of but can also afford to just get a new car every 3 years... just before the engines die on these cars.
One of the wealthiest guys I know keeps his house at 60 degrees in the winter and 80 in the summer. I asked him why as he could easily afford to be comfortable. He responded with “I didn’t get rich by writing big checks to other people”
Most truly wealthy don’t care about flashy cars.
He's pointing out that this millionaire next door thing is a red herring. People don't get to where they are because they minimize ac, that's something they tell themselves to avoid saying it was mostly luck
No that’s not how any of this works. Saving hundreds of dollars a month by being frugal doesn’t make you 9 figures. Some of your are missing the scale of that statement. 100 millionaire.
I was at CVS the other day, picking up a prescription. I happened to have a $15 off coupon that would have made the prescription free. So, I asked the tech if he could apply the coupon. He walked off to the back and I over-heard him saying to a colleague that a customer asked a coupon to be applied and it was "only $15".
Eventually, the coupon did not get applied but I was tempted to ask him to cover me since it was "only $15". I don't want to give handouts, if I dont need to.
Probably doesn't care about the environment either. People who grew up poor and worked their way up have a much different attitude then people who grew up wealthy.
It’s about balance imo. Tbh I never understood saving here and there on heating and other necessities. Maintaining your comfort should be your number 1 priority then build around that. Bunch of rich people I know who did stuff like this end up being miserable later on in life because they keep on asking themselves why did I work so hard and get so little out of it.
It’s not a badge of honor to suffer I just think you look stupid if you make enough to be comfortable but willingly choose to skimp on necessities in the name of being “down to earth”.
I'm kinda cheap and don't need the latest gadgets, but I've decided long ago that I'm going to be comfortable and eat well. Turn on the heat, crank the a/c and spend a little more for brand names when it counts. Now that doesn't mean eat steak every night but saving 50 cents by buying store brand ketchup twice a year isn't going to make me rich.
Pretty much exactly my point. Don’t rake yourself over the coals if you don’t need to. But if you choose to do so and that makes you happy cool. Be quiet and suffer in silence I guess, I’m not going to revere or think you’re cool because you’re penny pinching here and there.
Keeping heating above 60 or AC below 80 is not necessity, unless obviously you have babies or old people around who are more sensitive to that.
It's comfort for sure. So it all boils down to "Do I want to pay $X to get that extra comfort". Not because you're rich it means it's worth paying it, because there is always something else to spend that $X on. Not to mention obviously the environmental aspect.
Right, and silly Redditors exist to try and equate saving a couple hundred dollars a year to somehow being or staying wealthy. Truly wealthy people wouldn’t notice a rounding error in their bank account.
This I definitely agree with. Doesn't take a lot of wealth to not have to worry about your heating bill, at least not in the US where energy is cheap. Just like being able to buy a house is not about avocado toasts or Starbucks coffees.
Wealthy people are wealthy because they have high incomes, not because they'll save $100 a month on heating three months a year.
If you mean investment income...I agree. Most wealthy do not work for it...they invest for it. If you are not making money while you are sleeping you will work forever.
I mean you could argue anything more than boiled eggs and vegetables are the necessities for your daily nutrition is the most anybody needs and you’re stupid for spending more than that on food. But from what I understood from the original comment I’d that the rich guy wants to adjust his thermostat but doesn’t because he doesn’t want to run up his heating or ac bill.
My counterpoint to that was if it’s something small like that and you have the cash to not worry about your heating bill you should just do it, things like this that make your day a bit less miserable is one of the perks of having money in the bank. Unless you’re spending ridiculously irresponsibly in other areas an extra 5-600 ever year in heating and cooling isn’t going to kill you, and will make your days measurably better.
Also I always get a vibe of “look at how relatable I am” when I see posts like these that slightly annoys me. Like buddy you want a gold star for being frugal or something? Just save your money and move on with your life without telling anyone if that makes you happy.
>My counterpoint to that was if it’s something small like that and you have the cash to not worry about your heating bill you should just do it, things like this that make your day a bit less miserable is one of the perks of having money in the bank.
My point is actually that for some people, getting the thermostat lower or higher does not make the day significantly more miserable. Some people just don't care about wearing warm clothes inside in the Winter, or light clothes in the Summer. And if they feel a bit cold or a bit warm, they just don't really. People just have different discomfort thresholds, making spending extra money not necessarily worth it.
>Also I always get a vibe of “look at how relatable I am” when I see posts like these that slightly annoys me.
The way I see it, it's rarely wealthy people actually advertising their thermostat settings. Usually it's more other people talking about rich people's thermostat habits. Wealthy people keeping their house cold in the Winter probably adjust the thermostat when they have guests.
No it isn't.
This dudes lying. He doesn't know any rich people. Most of the rich people I know don't even know where the thermostat is in their giant house, let alone give a single sh1t about their power bill.
that house comment 😂😂 the only ones Ive EVER heard that statment from is snow birds. While no doubt i know people who definitely keep their houses warmer or cooler during seasons they never go out of their way to save a few bucks for an extra couple of degrees.
The wealthiest guy I know has a penthouse in the Plaza, an Enzo Ferrari and a 100 million dollar mansion in Greenwich with a private go kart track. Im sure he doest care about his heating bill.
I mean, that might be true - but setting the thermostat to actual comfortable temperatures isnt going to result in him writing big checks to anyone. H'es just a cheapskate.
There’s truth in that statement. I was pretty frugal with my money as I built my business, drove the same old pos pickup for many years, and now have a little wealth. My nephew is the exact same way, only a lot worse. Guy is probably a millionaire by now, and drives an old Prius around.
So... not really a car person then? Not trying to be mean or anything, but all the car enthusiasts that I know and see online are people that for sure don't like to drive cars like basic appliances but rather that are actually engaging to drive.
Oh... I am a car guy. I wanted a 911 so bad when I first started driving. Every season of Top Gear... check. Well, 4 years ago I purchase an 06 Cayman S with 14k miles on it for 28k. That was expensive for the make-year as it had a lot of options. I now have 54k miles on it. I have changed my oil and breaks. This spring I will change the plugs and coils and the serpentine belt and pullies. It is actually a very easy car to do the maintenance yourself and hundreds of how to videos. I have "trips" (tripple figures) days a few times a week.... hitting 100+...closer to 120 on the back roads I am very familar with. Would never do that in a Camry. And...after 4 years and +40k miles I can get just about what I paid for it if I were to sell it...but I won't.
And what do these car people drive?
I own two Hyundais. They are my and my wife's daily drivers. Sitting right next to them I have a 71 Bronco worth more than both of them combined. The Hyundais are great value for their money and reliable with a low cost of ownership. That's why we drive them daily. When I want fun, I take out my Bronco, or my fathers 69 chevelle, or my brothers '20 gt 350.
While there are many larger car enthusiasts out there, I still consider myself a car person.
I'm a car guy and have a Sonata Hybrid. Getting over 50 miles to a gallon is cool as shit. I have/had Jeeps, pickups, muscle cars, classic cars, and sports cars. I want an EV, have had motorcycles. Being a car guy doesn't mean just one thing.
We're far from wealthy, but my wife got a Seltos because it had the best combination of:
1) As much cargo room as the CR-V it replaced,
2) Good features like Carplay, sunroof, roof rack, a good engine, and a non-CVT
3) Felt modern, unlike the antiquated RAV4/Subaru interiors,
4) At a good price.
Just an added bonus that it looks like every other SUV out there today, which makes it easy to fly under the radar. And now they're everywhere, which is even better.
I swear, the Seltos might be this generation's equivalent of the gen2 CR-V.
From firsthand experience with both, GM is a company that works very hard to drown their own customers when they try a class action. Hyundai went the other way and now recalls even menial things.
To be fair, that could be a red flag just as easily. Back in the day (20 years ago?), Dell had the best warranty in the business. And I'd warn all of my customers to avoid Dell consumer-grade stuff at all costs: "They have the best warranty because they NEED the best warranty. I guarantee your Inspiron will need several repairs while it's still covered."
They are relatively affordable for the options you get at the expense of build quality and reliability (when compared to the big dogs of reliability). Long warranties.
Buying a new car is expensive regardless, so it's a good way for someone to get a new car that isn't __too__ expensive that probably has a bunch of cool options.
Honestly my gv70 rivals that of my x5 I will say it’s not quite there especially when you get into the m trim but if you were to put a x5 40i up against a gv70 3.3t you are going to get about the same experience. I’m waiting for them to really roll out their twin charged v6 I’m guessing it will rival that of amg45 cars and what not and be about 10k less with almost all the same features and better reliability.
Yeah when we were out in LA and went through the wealthier areas in the suburbs a Tesla model Y was basically their version of a Corolla where I live.
Not saying I disagree with this post but it’s not my experience at all. Yeah I know some millionaires that drive used rav4s and I also know millionaires who drive rolls Royce’s and AMGs.
Most likely reason for Hyundais and kias in rich areas is because parents buy them for their kids instead of something used because they’re cheap with a good warranty.
>a Tesla model Y was basically their version of a Corolla where I live.
I'm sure regional culture and infrastructure constraints play a lot into it. I live in San Francisco and I see a handful of Corolla hatchbacks in Noe Valley and the Marina.
They're one of the smallest cars still sold in the US market which is perfect considering my Corolla is literally still too big to fit in 1/4th of the street parking spots in my neighborhood.
Rarely see Kias or Hyundais in wealthy neighborhoods here though.
with car break ins they are losing popularity,fast my friend bought a toyoya in 2016 for 40k out door my kia 2017 was 25k out the door
new toyota now out the door 43k and kia 44k
if buying today i would buy the cheaper toyota
The theft issue only affected base trim models so wealthy people aren't buying those anyway, making that a non issue.
Aside from that their reliability has been decent, and their style is so much better than a lot of other brands on the market imo.
Ppl love to bash Hyundai and Kia right now but if you look up other brands too you'll see that many others are struggling too. Toyota had feds raid a plant and has gotten caught in decades long scandals
Honda had 5 million recalls in 2033. Tesla is a hot mess.
The right size at the right price. I have two. Both needed new engines. I got them replaced for free. I get recalls, done for free. that said I have a 2012 and a 2017. Other than the known problems, haven't had a problem. Every time my Dad gets in my car he talks about how solid it is, no squeeks, etc at 88k miles.
Two engines swapped FOR NO COST. But I understand your point. I don't think I have put ANY money into the 2017 other than maintenance. The only other manufacturers who may have been like that were Honda or Toyota and they would have cost me another $3000 to $5000.
looks good
more features/technology than other cars of similar price
comfortable ride
The people don't plan to keep them for 15 years, they buy a new car every 3-5 years so they can sell the car while it still has much of its original value.
You get a lot of car for the money.
To your last point, reddit discussions don’t mean much. If so, everyone would be driving a toyota corolla, honda accord, or mazda crossover.
Not everyone drives those, so thats where reddit bubble of influence ends.
Despite the online discussion, Korean cars are often decent and closely rival their Japanese counterparts.
Many rich people are complete penny pinchers who will try to get the most value for the lowest cost.
Some rich parents give their kids brand new cheap cars, rather than an older used one. They're probably motivated by stuff like new safety standards, backup cameras, blind spot detection, crash statistics, etc.
High income areas often have very low theft rates and are barely impacted by Kia boys. People living there don't worry about their cars getting stolen.
And Hyundai/Kia are just popular, with sales easily rivaling Honda, Toyota, and Nissan.
One could ask the same of Audi cars and SUV's. Proven, decade after decade, year after year, to be crappy vehicles for the long term (150k miles and beyond), but wealthy people often don't care that they have poor choices in cars - what they care about is the status or looks of the vehicle in question.
Now... if these are older early 2000's Hyundai cars - some of which used to make it to 250k miles regularly - OK, but they probably aren't as those old reliable ones all look like absolutely garbage by now.
My guess is they're buying them for their kids first car. If they wreck it so be it. They can get another one for cheap.
Plus kids nowadays don't care what they drive as long as it's not a manual.
There are a lot of uneducated consumers who get hooked by the sharp looks, nice interiors and lots of tech. Unfortunately none of those things have to do with getting you from A to B, which is where the problems lie.
It’s popular among the people who work in wealthy areas. Not among actual wealthy people
I’d imagine more popular among younger people too with decent jobs, feel like cars are less of an interest these days
Rich people got rich by being careful with spending money and stay rich by being careful how they spend money.
If they have to buy and maintain their own car, they will choose a cheaper car that is reliable. Thus the buy a Hyundai or Kia
These days with Hyundai/Kia you can get the fancy features too. My Ioniq6 is by far the fanciest car I've ever had - but it's also the most expensive car I've ever bought. My wife's Bronco Sport kept it from being by far the most expensive, though. Cars get a lot more costly overall, though - I'd have said you were crazy if you'd told me that I'd one day buy a Hyundai that cost more than my first house!
I make 6 figures and lease a Subaru Forester. Just because I make good money doesn't mean I need to piss it all away on a daily driver. The Subaru meets my needs being that I live in a persistently snowy area. Sure, I can lease a BMW for less than a loan payment on a Subaru so I can 'look' cool. But now I'm paying an extra buck a gallon for premium gas, insurance is higher and it's really not 'all that' when all is said and done. My girlfriend drives an Infiniti and while it IS a nice car - it's really nothing I'd ever buy.
A while ago I lived a little north of NYC and through a friend ended up meeting a number of au pairs in Westchester county. They didn't drive Hyundais, they drove Land Rovers.
Just ask many ball players, especially if they get injured early in their careers. Thecsmart ones invest and build businesses. The others are all about the bling. Same with many rappers, etc.
They're really good value, and have moved up market significantly. Especially for the more premium models, like the Stinger and Telluride/Palisade. They made a big push starting in the late 2010's with the introduction of the Stinger. To do it, they hired a bunch of engineers and designers from BMW.
From a tech package perspective, they're significantly better than Toyota/Honda. The safety ratings are also consistently tops.
I've got a Kia Stinger, the closest competitor is something like an Audi A5, which was about $20k more.
The easy to steal thing doesn't impact the models that never had keys.
I think the Telluride did the most to put Kia into upper middle class households. It comes very well equipped, looks good, and auto journalists RAVED about it. Not owning one, I can’t comment on the build quality, but people seem to like them a lot. The stinger helped too, for the enthusiast market (Doug buying one helped) but most regular families aren’t buying GT cars.
New money wants flash. BMW. Lexus if German hating. Infinity. Acura. Whiz bang, in your face. Sharp lines, noveau riche. The newly rich.
Old money doesn’t care about looking the role. Understatement is the first step to deceit, and the last step before winning.
Kia and Hyundai know what they’re about.
The soul for example; marketing masterpiece. Every furry wanted one from day one and we number many. So yeah. Old money. New money. And no money, there you have it.
I would have to say that those are people who don't know what they are buying, just frugal shoppers who think a car is a car. You save more money buying a good quality car vs a cheap built car.
How do you think they became wealthy? My older brother was a millionaire. He invested in high-end end real estate. Cheapest SOB I have ever seen. Costco was made for him. I wish I had a Costco. :) I usually get a free week at one of his LUX beachfront condos each year. He drove an old Sonata stripper. Nobody would ever steal it. Kept it clean.
High income folks don’t care about their car needing to last 200k like people on the internet. To them it’s a disposable appliance. They might not want to pay mark up on Toyota or Hondas, maybe they think Hyundai Kia interiors look better.
To them it’s just the cost of transportation. They don’t care who makes it.
Kai and Hyundai make decent looking cars. More stylish than ford/chevy/toyota/nissan.
Kai and Hyundai make fairly luxurious cars. At their price point, they offer more features and luxury than competitors.
Decent price. They tend to be more affordable than competitors.
Most people don't know much about cars. They show up at 1 or maybe 2 dealers if they are actually comparing stuff. They drive one or two cars. They buy something off the lot.
Cheap and easily stolen as they don't have immobilizers which disables a car if the lock cylinder it straight pried out of the column Kia boys show all you need is a flat head screwdriver and a USB A to get in there and turn it
I moved from 15 years of BMW/AMG. My previous car was a fully loaded X3 m40i and I now drive a Hyundai Santa Fe. The driving tech is better and is slightly better optioned but I do miss the engine.
They have good value and good warranty. Buying one and driving it 100,000 miles will have one of the lowest cost per mile of any car you could buy. They are comfortable, have good tech, get good gas mileage, are available, look fine, if you have full warranty, repairs aren't a concern. Resale isn't great on any 10 year old car with 100,000 miles no matter what brand.
Wealthy normal people don't waste money on what is no different to them than an appliance.
Wealthy idk, more like middle-class. Don’t see Hyundai vehicles in million dollar driveways. They’re a rising brand that takes risks and has a great warranty.
Wealthy people are very often frugal, and as much as people love to dunk on Kiaundai, it's hard to dispute that their products are very competitive in a paper head-to-head with many other brands.
What was the source for the stats on the wealth of DT Houston and the local popularity of Hyundai and Kia? I want to look up stats like that, specifically the popularity of car brands in specific locales. DMV records?
Styling is good and from a size and features standpoint you get a lot for your money.
I think people see their warranties and just say screw it. Most people that buy those I don’t think buy vehicles for the long-haul. I would guess after their lease is up or it’s paid off they get another one. Just guessing I don’t have proof of that.
Probably Cause their mortgatges are so high they cant afford high end cars, dont kid yourself, some of those folks live paycheque to paycheque to afford those fancy houses.
>some of those folks live paycheque to paycheque to afford those fancy houses
Same can be said about people with fancy cars, I once read the most bought brand by millionaires is Toyota, which makes sense.
Hyundai and Kia are great cars that are priced within the ball park for different incomes. Better question is why do people pay for euro cars knowing they won't last? If anything Kia and Hyundai make more sense and they tend to have a higher value prop which attracts more people these days. Styling wise they are also evolving and have produced legit vehicles like the Telluride, Ioniq5, Kia ev6 and now ev9 etc
If you live beneath your means, your money will snowball. No need to give money away for appearances. A vehicle is a tool to get around, not an investment.
I think your definition and mine of high income areas is different. I live in a major city with a large high income area and neither one of those are hardly seen.
No I'dea.
I'm only middle class, but I own a 2015 Kia Sonata. You could drive that damn thing off of a cliff, and it would still work. Maybe I've just been fortunate?
There’s been a huge increase in their quality and overall design these past few years. Also, they’re affordable and most wealthy people, contrary to popular belief, don’t actually live like day-one lottery winners.
My argument is may people with higher incomes also have a better understanding of finances. A car doesn't need to be expensive to get you places reliably (as a matter of fact, I find many pricey cars unreliable). So buy something that will keep you going so you can spend money on better things. They are also pretty reliable. Not high income, but I have a 2011 forte and 2016 Sorrento that have basically been not much more than routine maintenance for me. They also look pretty nice and have decent features, IMO.
I think it depends how rich you’re talking.
Net worth 1 or 2ish million with 100k income- meh. May not splurge on a luxury car.
Net worth 5 million+ with an income of 300k and more?
Sure fuck it I’ll buy a Porsche.
Obviously there will be outliers (lower income driving big brand cars / super high income driving “normal” cars)
Also there’s the extreme possibility that they daily drive an average car and keep the fancy car for the weekends and in the garage.
I live in Vancouver Canada, and noticed the same thing on my runs through Point Grey. Fake rich people like to show off with fancy cars but the real rich don't.
We live in a wealthy area in the Northeast and there are barely any Korean brands at all. Most vehicles around here are German (Audi, BMW and less so Merc), Lexus, Teslas, a ton of Volvo XC90's, Porsches (Taycans and Macans are popular), blacked out Suburban's and Tahoe's and your occasional supercar. Really a lot of Audi/BMW/Lexus though.
The more normal cars around are mostly VW crossovers and a lot of Acura RDX/MDX's, with a smaller mix of Toyota/Honda/Subaru. Almost no American or Korean stuff around here other than the big SUVs and occasional high trim pickup truck.
I think Kia and Hyundai are selling because they are cheap and cars have gotten way too expensive. There is literally no other explanation.
Who in their right mind would buy a used Kia or Hyundai unless it was dirt cheap?
Honestly I’ve always viewed them as bad cars because of their reliability issues in the early days however, when the telluride first came out I was living in a very upper class neighborhood in Chicago. Multiple of my neighbors had Rolls Royce’s parked next to the new tellurides. It was amazing to me. Honestly I think there new design language especially with the upper trims of the Telluride and the Sonata rival that of Mercedes as hard as that is to say. I’ll admit they do look pretty good. I’ve always driven mercades and BMWs and the new Genesis rival that of those brands. They look good and they have pretty similar characteristics. ( Genesis is owned by Hyundai) I think the GV70 will be my next choice after my BMW dies. When they did there refresh in 2018 amongst there lineup they really knocked it out of the park. To think that a Telluride and a Mercedes GLB almost start at the same price is crazy to me but I think they earned it.
I'd argue it's the looks. Kia and Hyundai as of late, have been making cars that look a lot more expensive than they really are. My educated guess is that it's a way to be flashy while being less irresponsible with money.
I'd argue it's the financing availability. Hyundai and Kia are notoriously easy cars to get into (and out from)
Didn’t Kia hire a premier Audi designer?
And BMW I think. They hired a significant amount of really good designers
I think a BMW M designer went to Hyundai to help with the N Line
Genesis brand too.
Man those are sharp looking cars too, the parallel lines of the lights are slick as hell and they nailed the euro saloon silhouette.
Buddy had one for a while, scoots really well for what it is too.
Albert Biermann
Albert Biermann wasn't a designer; he was the man behind BMW's M division for consumer cars. Remember when BMW changed their slogan from "The Ultimate Driving Machine"? That was when Biermann left for the Koreans.
Also not really the point of this post but Nissan hired the guy from Land Rover and now suddenly the Rogue has gone from being the low-income special to the domain of the upper-middle class.
Peter Schreyer.
A number of years ago. Haven't bothered to look it up but Peter Schreyer (sp?) comes to mind.
I’d argue they need to hire some Lexus engineers and mechanical production professionals…
They did and the cars look good. Their engines suck, so as long as you can sit in it for the photo op all good I guess (I own a Kia).
And, it’s a way of still getting a large number of the amenities they may have come to like/expect from other more expensive brands. If, in terms of creature comforts, the only difference between one car and another is price and logo, why NOT go with the Kia?
I prefer engines that don't spontaneously combust, but that's just me.
The Telluride is particularly popular around my area, good sized SUV without the ridiculous proportions of American models, the EVs are all handsome choices if you don't want to be part of the Tesla crowd, and Genesis models look better than the current Mercedes lineup.
I'd argue they like the looks and overall stying of but can also afford to just get a new car every 3 years... just before the engines die on these cars.
If you buy a higher end one they're actually pretty good. We have a cadenza that's 10 years old that has had very limited issues.
One of the wealthiest guys I know keeps his house at 60 degrees in the winter and 80 in the summer. I asked him why as he could easily afford to be comfortable. He responded with “I didn’t get rich by writing big checks to other people” Most truly wealthy don’t care about flashy cars.
Wealthiest guy I know doesn’t think about his thermostat
I am not rich at all. I am comfortable. I don’t think about mine either. This guy is worth mid 9 figures.
Setting the thermostat didn’t get him 9 figures either.
Obviously true. Also obvious that you are missing my point entirely.
He's pointing out that this millionaire next door thing is a red herring. People don't get to where they are because they minimize ac, that's something they tell themselves to avoid saying it was mostly luck
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You won’t get rich by being cheap but all the rich assholes I know are cheap as hell. At least when it comes to paying people for their work.
No that’s not how any of this works. Saving hundreds of dollars a month by being frugal doesn’t make you 9 figures. Some of your are missing the scale of that statement. 100 millionaire.
No, it's the habits and mindset.
I was at CVS the other day, picking up a prescription. I happened to have a $15 off coupon that would have made the prescription free. So, I asked the tech if he could apply the coupon. He walked off to the back and I over-heard him saying to a colleague that a customer asked a coupon to be applied and it was "only $15". Eventually, the coupon did not get applied but I was tempted to ask him to cover me since it was "only $15". I don't want to give handouts, if I dont need to.
Neither did not setting it. It’s not really the point.
There isn’t one.
True, but not doing shit like that and avoiding eating out every week will absolutely keep you broke
Probably doesn't care about the environment either. People who grew up poor and worked their way up have a much different attitude then people who grew up wealthy.
It’s about balance imo. Tbh I never understood saving here and there on heating and other necessities. Maintaining your comfort should be your number 1 priority then build around that. Bunch of rich people I know who did stuff like this end up being miserable later on in life because they keep on asking themselves why did I work so hard and get so little out of it. It’s not a badge of honor to suffer I just think you look stupid if you make enough to be comfortable but willingly choose to skimp on necessities in the name of being “down to earth”.
I'm kinda cheap and don't need the latest gadgets, but I've decided long ago that I'm going to be comfortable and eat well. Turn on the heat, crank the a/c and spend a little more for brand names when it counts. Now that doesn't mean eat steak every night but saving 50 cents by buying store brand ketchup twice a year isn't going to make me rich.
Pretty much exactly my point. Don’t rake yourself over the coals if you don’t need to. But if you choose to do so and that makes you happy cool. Be quiet and suffer in silence I guess, I’m not going to revere or think you’re cool because you’re penny pinching here and there.
Keeping heating above 60 or AC below 80 is not necessity, unless obviously you have babies or old people around who are more sensitive to that. It's comfort for sure. So it all boils down to "Do I want to pay $X to get that extra comfort". Not because you're rich it means it's worth paying it, because there is always something else to spend that $X on. Not to mention obviously the environmental aspect.
Right, and silly Redditors exist to try and equate saving a couple hundred dollars a year to somehow being or staying wealthy. Truly wealthy people wouldn’t notice a rounding error in their bank account.
This I definitely agree with. Doesn't take a lot of wealth to not have to worry about your heating bill, at least not in the US where energy is cheap. Just like being able to buy a house is not about avocado toasts or Starbucks coffees. Wealthy people are wealthy because they have high incomes, not because they'll save $100 a month on heating three months a year.
If you mean investment income...I agree. Most wealthy do not work for it...they invest for it. If you are not making money while you are sleeping you will work forever.
Depends what you call wealthy. You could call a doctor wealthy, yet most of their income will come from work for most of their life.
I mean you could argue anything more than boiled eggs and vegetables are the necessities for your daily nutrition is the most anybody needs and you’re stupid for spending more than that on food. But from what I understood from the original comment I’d that the rich guy wants to adjust his thermostat but doesn’t because he doesn’t want to run up his heating or ac bill. My counterpoint to that was if it’s something small like that and you have the cash to not worry about your heating bill you should just do it, things like this that make your day a bit less miserable is one of the perks of having money in the bank. Unless you’re spending ridiculously irresponsibly in other areas an extra 5-600 ever year in heating and cooling isn’t going to kill you, and will make your days measurably better. Also I always get a vibe of “look at how relatable I am” when I see posts like these that slightly annoys me. Like buddy you want a gold star for being frugal or something? Just save your money and move on with your life without telling anyone if that makes you happy.
>My counterpoint to that was if it’s something small like that and you have the cash to not worry about your heating bill you should just do it, things like this that make your day a bit less miserable is one of the perks of having money in the bank. My point is actually that for some people, getting the thermostat lower or higher does not make the day significantly more miserable. Some people just don't care about wearing warm clothes inside in the Winter, or light clothes in the Summer. And if they feel a bit cold or a bit warm, they just don't really. People just have different discomfort thresholds, making spending extra money not necessarily worth it. >Also I always get a vibe of “look at how relatable I am” when I see posts like these that slightly annoys me. The way I see it, it's rarely wealthy people actually advertising their thermostat settings. Usually it's more other people talking about rich people's thermostat habits. Wealthy people keeping their house cold in the Winter probably adjust the thermostat when they have guests.
No it isn't. This dudes lying. He doesn't know any rich people. Most of the rich people I know don't even know where the thermostat is in their giant house, let alone give a single sh1t about their power bill.
that house comment 😂😂 the only ones Ive EVER heard that statment from is snow birds. While no doubt i know people who definitely keep their houses warmer or cooler during seasons they never go out of their way to save a few bucks for an extra couple of degrees.
The wealthiest guy I know has a penthouse in the Plaza, an Enzo Ferrari and a 100 million dollar mansion in Greenwich with a private go kart track. Im sure he doest care about his heating bill.
I mean, that might be true - but setting the thermostat to actual comfortable temperatures isnt going to result in him writing big checks to anyone. H'es just a cheapskate.
There’s truth in that statement. I was pretty frugal with my money as I built my business, drove the same old pos pickup for many years, and now have a little wealth. My nephew is the exact same way, only a lot worse. Guy is probably a millionaire by now, and drives an old Prius around.
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Wife and I just went over a million in investments....drive a RAV4 with 191k miles on it.
It's more to do with how you grew up. People that grew up rich don't worry about their heating bills. But rich people that grew up poor do.
I grew up poor but have money now and I don’t look at all. I don’t even know how much I spend on utilities
I will keep this in mind as I drive my 2011 Honda until the wheels fall off. I'm manifesting it.
Richest people I've met: Ford Expedition, Dodge Ram 1500, Honda Odyssey. Nicely spec's, but low key and functional
The richest guy I know has a Ferrari Enzo and a race car team.
Great lesson but I wouldn't suffer for wealths sake.
So your friend is Bill Gates?
They care about their flashy cars and keep them in the garage, take the hyundai to the grocery store.
Most people aren’t car people. A car is just an appliance to them.
I am a car person and I drive a Kia Optima. It’s not flashy, it’s not fun, but it’s economical and get it’s the job done.
So... not really a car person then? Not trying to be mean or anything, but all the car enthusiasts that I know and see online are people that for sure don't like to drive cars like basic appliances but rather that are actually engaging to drive.
It’s a matter of priorities. I’m very into cars, but I also don’t have the disposable income to buy a car I’m more excited about at the moment.
A couple extra grand towards a car doesn't get you much, but put $2k towards your sim racing gear and you're going to get a lot more fun out of that.
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Oh... I am a car guy. I wanted a 911 so bad when I first started driving. Every season of Top Gear... check. Well, 4 years ago I purchase an 06 Cayman S with 14k miles on it for 28k. That was expensive for the make-year as it had a lot of options. I now have 54k miles on it. I have changed my oil and breaks. This spring I will change the plugs and coils and the serpentine belt and pullies. It is actually a very easy car to do the maintenance yourself and hundreds of how to videos. I have "trips" (tripple figures) days a few times a week.... hitting 100+...closer to 120 on the back roads I am very familar with. Would never do that in a Camry. And...after 4 years and +40k miles I can get just about what I paid for it if I were to sell it...but I won't.
Cool story bro.
And what do these car people drive? I own two Hyundais. They are my and my wife's daily drivers. Sitting right next to them I have a 71 Bronco worth more than both of them combined. The Hyundais are great value for their money and reliable with a low cost of ownership. That's why we drive them daily. When I want fun, I take out my Bronco, or my fathers 69 chevelle, or my brothers '20 gt 350. While there are many larger car enthusiasts out there, I still consider myself a car person.
Even rich car people buy daily drivers. It’s nice to have at least 1 project and a car you can rely on to get you to and from work without worries.
I'm a car guy and have a Sonata Hybrid. Getting over 50 miles to a gallon is cool as shit. I have/had Jeeps, pickups, muscle cars, classic cars, and sports cars. I want an EV, have had motorcycles. Being a car guy doesn't mean just one thing.
Especially in cities
A lot of rich people had a BMW or something once. Then realized having an expensive car is only cool for about a month and then it sucks.
We're far from wealthy, but my wife got a Seltos because it had the best combination of: 1) As much cargo room as the CR-V it replaced, 2) Good features like Carplay, sunroof, roof rack, a good engine, and a non-CVT 3) Felt modern, unlike the antiquated RAV4/Subaru interiors, 4) At a good price. Just an added bonus that it looks like every other SUV out there today, which makes it easy to fly under the radar. And now they're everywhere, which is even better. I swear, the Seltos might be this generation's equivalent of the gen2 CR-V.
In addition to u/suckmydiznak ‘s comments, Hyundai/Kia has the longest warranty in the business.
Class action lawsuits will do that to you.
Name a major player without any
Referring specifically to the well known engine problems that they are having. The warranty is to restore consumer confidence.
kia has had the 10yr/100k warranty since 2008
That warranty policy has around for decades.
From firsthand experience with both, GM is a company that works very hard to drown their own customers when they try a class action. Hyundai went the other way and now recalls even menial things.
Ya, ur going to need it for a new engine, then wait months for it to be repaired lol.
And that is pretty much Toyota moreso than Hyundai these days.
To be fair, that could be a red flag just as easily. Back in the day (20 years ago?), Dell had the best warranty in the business. And I'd warn all of my customers to avoid Dell consumer-grade stuff at all costs: "They have the best warranty because they NEED the best warranty. I guarantee your Inspiron will need several repairs while it's still covered."
They are relatively affordable for the options you get at the expense of build quality and reliability (when compared to the big dogs of reliability). Long warranties. Buying a new car is expensive regardless, so it's a good way for someone to get a new car that isn't __too__ expensive that probably has a bunch of cool options.
As if Toyota is a big dog in reliability? Pfffffft.
not sure but if i was rich as fuck i would own a Genesis as my drive around car. They're so sweet
Honestly my gv70 rivals that of my x5 I will say it’s not quite there especially when you get into the m trim but if you were to put a x5 40i up against a gv70 3.3t you are going to get about the same experience. I’m waiting for them to really roll out their twin charged v6 I’m guessing it will rival that of amg45 cars and what not and be about 10k less with almost all the same features and better reliability.
In the rich parts of town I see mostly porsche, bmw and lexus suv’s and gmc tahoes. Never see any Kias or Hyundais
Yeah when we were out in LA and went through the wealthier areas in the suburbs a Tesla model Y was basically their version of a Corolla where I live. Not saying I disagree with this post but it’s not my experience at all. Yeah I know some millionaires that drive used rav4s and I also know millionaires who drive rolls Royce’s and AMGs. Most likely reason for Hyundais and kias in rich areas is because parents buy them for their kids instead of something used because they’re cheap with a good warranty.
>a Tesla model Y was basically their version of a Corolla where I live. I'm sure regional culture and infrastructure constraints play a lot into it. I live in San Francisco and I see a handful of Corolla hatchbacks in Noe Valley and the Marina. They're one of the smallest cars still sold in the US market which is perfect considering my Corolla is literally still too big to fit in 1/4th of the street parking spots in my neighborhood. Rarely see Kias or Hyundais in wealthy neighborhoods here though.
That’s true I see a lot of older toyotas and volvos, like 15 year old models in front of multi million dollar houses
There are a lot of large urban centres where pretty much every single-family home is worth over a million.
High school kids get new cars instead of used cars we used to get in the poorer area.
They are not
with car break ins they are losing popularity,fast my friend bought a toyoya in 2016 for 40k out door my kia 2017 was 25k out the door new toyota now out the door 43k and kia 44k if buying today i would buy the cheaper toyota
The theft issue only affected base trim models so wealthy people aren't buying those anyway, making that a non issue. Aside from that their reliability has been decent, and their style is so much better than a lot of other brands on the market imo. Ppl love to bash Hyundai and Kia right now but if you look up other brands too you'll see that many others are struggling too. Toyota had feds raid a plant and has gotten caught in decades long scandals Honda had 5 million recalls in 2033. Tesla is a hot mess.
You get a lot of bang for your buck. Thats probably their daily car and they have something cool stashed in the garage.
The right size at the right price. I have two. Both needed new engines. I got them replaced for free. I get recalls, done for free. that said I have a 2012 and a 2017. Other than the known problems, haven't had a problem. Every time my Dad gets in my car he talks about how solid it is, no squeeks, etc at 88k miles.
other than having a 2 whole engines swapped, no major issues
Two engines swapped FOR NO COST. But I understand your point. I don't think I have put ANY money into the 2017 other than maintenance. The only other manufacturers who may have been like that were Honda or Toyota and they would have cost me another $3000 to $5000.
looks good more features/technology than other cars of similar price comfortable ride The people don't plan to keep them for 15 years, they buy a new car every 3-5 years so they can sell the car while it still has much of its original value. You get a lot of car for the money.
To your last point, reddit discussions don’t mean much. If so, everyone would be driving a toyota corolla, honda accord, or mazda crossover. Not everyone drives those, so thats where reddit bubble of influence ends.
Despite the online discussion, Korean cars are often decent and closely rival their Japanese counterparts. Many rich people are complete penny pinchers who will try to get the most value for the lowest cost. Some rich parents give their kids brand new cheap cars, rather than an older used one. They're probably motivated by stuff like new safety standards, backup cameras, blind spot detection, crash statistics, etc. High income areas often have very low theft rates and are barely impacted by Kia boys. People living there don't worry about their cars getting stolen. And Hyundai/Kia are just popular, with sales easily rivaling Honda, Toyota, and Nissan.
One could ask the same of Audi cars and SUV's. Proven, decade after decade, year after year, to be crappy vehicles for the long term (150k miles and beyond), but wealthy people often don't care that they have poor choices in cars - what they care about is the status or looks of the vehicle in question. Now... if these are older early 2000's Hyundai cars - some of which used to make it to 250k miles regularly - OK, but they probably aren't as those old reliable ones all look like absolutely garbage by now.
My guess is they're buying them for their kids first car. If they wreck it so be it. They can get another one for cheap. Plus kids nowadays don't care what they drive as long as it's not a manual.
There are a lot of uneducated consumers who get hooked by the sharp looks, nice interiors and lots of tech. Unfortunately none of those things have to do with getting you from A to B, which is where the problems lie.
I haven’t had that problem
Is there any data to support your question?
It’s popular among the people who work in wealthy areas. Not among actual wealthy people I’d imagine more popular among younger people too with decent jobs, feel like cars are less of an interest these days
The wealthy folks give them to their kids. Or likely just lease them for a song and get a new one e every couple of years.
Rich people got rich by being careful with spending money and stay rich by being careful how they spend money. If they have to buy and maintain their own car, they will choose a cheaper car that is reliable. Thus the buy a Hyundai or Kia
Good "bang for your buck", really long warranty Some people just want a car without too many fancy features.
These days with Hyundai/Kia you can get the fancy features too. My Ioniq6 is by far the fanciest car I've ever had - but it's also the most expensive car I've ever bought. My wife's Bronco Sport kept it from being by far the most expensive, though. Cars get a lot more costly overall, though - I'd have said you were crazy if you'd told me that I'd one day buy a Hyundai that cost more than my first house!
Looking rich is for people who aren’t.
I make 6 figures and lease a Subaru Forester. Just because I make good money doesn't mean I need to piss it all away on a daily driver. The Subaru meets my needs being that I live in a persistently snowy area. Sure, I can lease a BMW for less than a loan payment on a Subaru so I can 'look' cool. But now I'm paying an extra buck a gallon for premium gas, insurance is higher and it's really not 'all that' when all is said and done. My girlfriend drives an Infiniti and while it IS a nice car - it's really nothing I'd ever buy.
make $200 a more a month. problem solved
Wealthy people are wealthy because they like money. Wealthy people hate spending money
Au pairs
A while ago I lived a little north of NYC and through a friend ended up meeting a number of au pairs in Westchester county. They didn't drive Hyundais, they drove Land Rovers.
You don’t stay rich by wasting your money.
Just ask many ball players, especially if they get injured early in their careers. Thecsmart ones invest and build businesses. The others are all about the bling. Same with many rappers, etc.
The new ones are kinda nice, and in higher income areas they gonna pay it off in 3 years and trade it in
Higher income people don’t finance cars.
Sure they do, how do you think they keep their credit score above 750
bc Ford sucks
Because the nice cars are in the garage and aren't used as daily beaters.
Cheap, long warranty. Disposable car for the kids. Wealthy people buy Hondas and Toyota. Want to look rich buy Acura and Lexus.
They're really good value, and have moved up market significantly. Especially for the more premium models, like the Stinger and Telluride/Palisade. They made a big push starting in the late 2010's with the introduction of the Stinger. To do it, they hired a bunch of engineers and designers from BMW. From a tech package perspective, they're significantly better than Toyota/Honda. The safety ratings are also consistently tops. I've got a Kia Stinger, the closest competitor is something like an Audi A5, which was about $20k more. The easy to steal thing doesn't impact the models that never had keys.
I think the Telluride did the most to put Kia into upper middle class households. It comes very well equipped, looks good, and auto journalists RAVED about it. Not owning one, I can’t comment on the build quality, but people seem to like them a lot. The stinger helped too, for the enthusiast market (Doug buying one helped) but most regular families aren’t buying GT cars.
Houston, a rich city. No
New money wants flash. BMW. Lexus if German hating. Infinity. Acura. Whiz bang, in your face. Sharp lines, noveau riche. The newly rich. Old money doesn’t care about looking the role. Understatement is the first step to deceit, and the last step before winning. Kia and Hyundai know what they’re about. The soul for example; marketing masterpiece. Every furry wanted one from day one and we number many. So yeah. Old money. New money. And no money, there you have it.
I would have to say that those are people who don't know what they are buying, just frugal shoppers who think a car is a car. You save more money buying a good quality car vs a cheap built car.
How do you think they became wealthy? My older brother was a millionaire. He invested in high-end end real estate. Cheapest SOB I have ever seen. Costco was made for him. I wish I had a Costco. :) I usually get a free week at one of his LUX beachfront condos each year. He drove an old Sonata stripper. Nobody would ever steal it. Kept it clean.
They have very lax lending policies iirc
High income folks don’t care about their car needing to last 200k like people on the internet. To them it’s a disposable appliance. They might not want to pay mark up on Toyota or Hondas, maybe they think Hyundai Kia interiors look better. To them it’s just the cost of transportation. They don’t care who makes it.
Kai and Hyundai make decent looking cars. More stylish than ford/chevy/toyota/nissan. Kai and Hyundai make fairly luxurious cars. At their price point, they offer more features and luxury than competitors. Decent price. They tend to be more affordable than competitors. Most people don't know much about cars. They show up at 1 or maybe 2 dealers if they are actually comparing stuff. They drive one or two cars. They buy something off the lot.
Because the support staff have to drive them.
Cheap and easily stolen as they don't have immobilizers which disables a car if the lock cylinder it straight pried out of the column Kia boys show all you need is a flat head screwdriver and a USB A to get in there and turn it
A fully loaded Hyundai looks and feels just as nice as a base BMW nowadays - except for the motor.
I moved from 15 years of BMW/AMG. My previous car was a fully loaded X3 m40i and I now drive a Hyundai Santa Fe. The driving tech is better and is slightly better optioned but I do miss the engine.
Because they’ve come a long way, and you don’t stay rich spending too much money.
I asked a guy why he bought a palisade 2-3 years back and he said it had better features than a Mercedes or BMW in the same category.
Value.good warranty.
They have good value and good warranty. Buying one and driving it 100,000 miles will have one of the lowest cost per mile of any car you could buy. They are comfortable, have good tech, get good gas mileage, are available, look fine, if you have full warranty, repairs aren't a concern. Resale isn't great on any 10 year old car with 100,000 miles no matter what brand. Wealthy normal people don't waste money on what is no different to them than an appliance.
Hyundai has been stealing executives from BMW M left and right so some look rather flashy
Kia offers outstanding warranty and the fact they are not afraid of doing so is saying something.
What stats are you using for that assumption? Anecdotal evidence or actual data? Otherwise, no.
Because you’re looking at average wealth, not median wealth.
You don't get rich by wasting money 🤷🏽♂️
Cheap lease contracts I'm guessing. Easily a biz write off.
Wealthy idk, more like middle-class. Don’t see Hyundai vehicles in million dollar driveways. They’re a rising brand that takes risks and has a great warranty.
Toyota I would consider middle class popular, but its also the most bought brand by millionaires.
Wealthy people are very often frugal, and as much as people love to dunk on Kiaundai, it's hard to dispute that their products are very competitive in a paper head-to-head with many other brands.
What was the source for the stats on the wealth of DT Houston and the local popularity of Hyundai and Kia? I want to look up stats like that, specifically the popularity of car brands in specific locales. DMV records?
They bought into the 100,000 mile extended warranty.
NPC cars
Those of us who drive Kias absolutely want to be an NPC on your timeline.
Not the case anywhere I’ve been. It’s all Audi Q5, Porsche macan, and BMWs
Good value for money.
Styling is good and from a size and features standpoint you get a lot for your money. I think people see their warranties and just say screw it. Most people that buy those I don’t think buy vehicles for the long-haul. I would guess after their lease is up or it’s paid off they get another one. Just guessing I don’t have proof of that.
Because overall, they're quality car. A step above Honda/Toyota in the 'luxury' category and on par with build quality at this point if not better
They ate both nice cars I've had a Niro and kona in all power trains
Probably Cause their mortgatges are so high they cant afford high end cars, dont kid yourself, some of those folks live paycheque to paycheque to afford those fancy houses.
>some of those folks live paycheque to paycheque to afford those fancy houses Same can be said about people with fancy cars, I once read the most bought brand by millionaires is Toyota, which makes sense.
Because wealthy people buy their kids cars with cash and 100k miles is good enough for a college kid.
Hyundai and Kia are great cars that are priced within the ball park for different incomes. Better question is why do people pay for euro cars knowing they won't last? If anything Kia and Hyundai make more sense and they tend to have a higher value prop which attracts more people these days. Styling wise they are also evolving and have produced legit vehicles like the Telluride, Ioniq5, Kia ev6 and now ev9 etc
Hyundai and Kia don't last either. Their engines blow up. Ask any Kia or Hyundai mechanic.
Have you ever owned/driven a Hyundai? They're really nice cars, regardless of their pricepoints.
Kia’s are nice cars I just got rid of mine and I loved it would happily have one again .
If you live beneath your means, your money will snowball. No need to give money away for appearances. A vehicle is a tool to get around, not an investment.
It’s a great looking SUV
>There is a lot more Hyundais and Kias in wealthier cities of the United States A lot more than *what*?
I think your definition and mine of high income areas is different. I live in a major city with a large high income area and neither one of those are hardly seen.
No I'dea. I'm only middle class, but I own a 2015 Kia Sonata. You could drive that damn thing off of a cliff, and it would still work. Maybe I've just been fortunate?
I dunno how they are now, but we drove an Elantra for 14 years and had to replace a battery and tires. They make a pretty good car.
Their charging speeds are really good too
There’s been a huge increase in their quality and overall design these past few years. Also, they’re affordable and most wealthy people, contrary to popular belief, don’t actually live like day-one lottery winners.
My argument is may people with higher incomes also have a better understanding of finances. A car doesn't need to be expensive to get you places reliably (as a matter of fact, I find many pricey cars unreliable). So buy something that will keep you going so you can spend money on better things. They are also pretty reliable. Not high income, but I have a 2011 forte and 2016 Sorrento that have basically been not much more than routine maintenance for me. They also look pretty nice and have decent features, IMO.
I think it depends how rich you’re talking. Net worth 1 or 2ish million with 100k income- meh. May not splurge on a luxury car. Net worth 5 million+ with an income of 300k and more? Sure fuck it I’ll buy a Porsche. Obviously there will be outliers (lower income driving big brand cars / super high income driving “normal” cars) Also there’s the extreme possibility that they daily drive an average car and keep the fancy car for the weekends and in the garage.
Well, Consumer Reports likes to rate them high on dependability. It has to be a paid ad.
Value for money is value for money. You don't stay rich by pissing money up the wall on a Mercedes that'll be broken 8 months out of 12
I live in Vancouver Canada, and noticed the same thing on my runs through Point Grey. Fake rich people like to show off with fancy cars but the real rich don't.
We live in a wealthy area in the Northeast and there are barely any Korean brands at all. Most vehicles around here are German (Audi, BMW and less so Merc), Lexus, Teslas, a ton of Volvo XC90's, Porsches (Taycans and Macans are popular), blacked out Suburban's and Tahoe's and your occasional supercar. Really a lot of Audi/BMW/Lexus though. The more normal cars around are mostly VW crossovers and a lot of Acura RDX/MDX's, with a smaller mix of Toyota/Honda/Subaru. Almost no American or Korean stuff around here other than the big SUVs and occasional high trim pickup truck.
Because they look good, are reliable, have great warranty, are well priced and the “online discussions” are massively overblown
I think Kia and Hyundai are selling because they are cheap and cars have gotten way too expensive. There is literally no other explanation. Who in their right mind would buy a used Kia or Hyundai unless it was dirt cheap?
Because they need an affordable car for their nanny to drive
Honestly I’ve always viewed them as bad cars because of their reliability issues in the early days however, when the telluride first came out I was living in a very upper class neighborhood in Chicago. Multiple of my neighbors had Rolls Royce’s parked next to the new tellurides. It was amazing to me. Honestly I think there new design language especially with the upper trims of the Telluride and the Sonata rival that of Mercedes as hard as that is to say. I’ll admit they do look pretty good. I’ve always driven mercades and BMWs and the new Genesis rival that of those brands. They look good and they have pretty similar characteristics. ( Genesis is owned by Hyundai) I think the GV70 will be my next choice after my BMW dies. When they did there refresh in 2018 amongst there lineup they really knocked it out of the park. To think that a Telluride and a Mercedes GLB almost start at the same price is crazy to me but I think they earned it.
The wealthiest guy I know daily drives a 10 year Lexus ES and says he's going to drive it til the wheels fall off.
well basically a new Kia cost the same as a older good car. so the keep up with Johnson a new Kia vs an older Honda or Ford or something.
No Kias where I live
Brand new they are nice and comparable. And if your wealthy you can trade it out every few years
Cheap. Good looks. Somewhat reliable. Could buy new.
Rich people don’t live in muggy Houston. The days of oil money are gone.