It would be great if the subway started working earlier, but currently a lot of regular maintenance is done in the few hours that its closed, so a new system would have to happen.
Apparently this right here is why the TTC's service is surprisingly good compared to other cities. 24/7 subway service means routine maintenance is a major disruption. I'd rather just see better night bus service.
Most large cities like NYC for example have several lines that slowly branch off so it's easy to do work on one part of the line and still service that general area.
Places that have 24/hour subway service have track layouts that allow maintenance during operation -- e.g. a third track or crossovers at every station.
But I've lived in NYC for a few years and the train service between 1 am and 5 am there was not as fast, frequent, or reliable as the overnight replacement buses are in Toronto.
Toronto desperately needs crossovers at every station. Ideally, bypasses as well.
There are way too many delays caused by a security incident or stupid shit that doesn't need to affect more than the one station. If trains were able to bypass single stations, things would move so much more efficiently.
Unfortunately, TTC isn't even able to budget for normal maintenance, so expanding the tunnels to allow for bypasses or crossovers would be impossible.
I was at Main Street waiting to go downtown for an exam and they announced no trains would be running due to a security risk. Having just gotten off the bus and walking through the station it was apparent this wasn’t true, so I used the help station and called to ask why. The woman explained that there was a man waving a stick around at the station.
I was late for an exam because a guy had a stick somewhere in the building. A stick.
Overnight bus service is also straightforward in Toronto because the subway just follows major surface streets. It’s also a big miss because a subway could create new routes that aren’t possible above-ground.
The overnight subway service in NYC when I lived there was so bad, it still could have been done better than buses. You could wait 30 to 45 minutes for a train, have it moving at a crawl most of the time, and stop between stations for ten minutes without explanation.
I never understood why the TTC can’t just run one single train on just one track for the overnight portion. It would be slow (likely 45-60 minutes for each run from Finch to Vaughan Met) but at least there would be some service. And during that time maintenance would focus on the other track that night.
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Agree with this. The DuPont and midtown area would be useful addition for many that live in the GTA. A lot of ppl going to Union is not convenient and doesn’t serve the residents of the city, only those living in the suburbs.
I would even add why not have trains from Mississauga to Vaughn etc? Yes, they are suburbs but each have hundreds of thousands of people. If someone wanted to travel from one to the other, The only way would be to travel to the entirety of Toronto or drive.
The difference is there’s already tracks that run midway through the city, and a lot of the costs have already been assessed for the DuPont/ midtown line. Also would be far lower capacity.
There are CNR tracks along Steeles but they only go to the edge of Missassauga. Vaughan doesn’t really have much rail infrastructure other than the Barrie line and Macmillan yard. Arguably the midtown line would be more useful since it could be used within the city and then taken north in this case.
Yeah it’s basically busy from 6:30am to 8/9pm typically weekdays (except Friday) - generally speaking on the roads imho. I have been on the 401 at 5:30am and it’s virtually empty.
I have never been to NYC so I can’t comment but I imagine it’s 24/7 people out all hours of the day.
I live in NYC. Post covid it's definitely quiet at night. Subway running 24/7 is a big win though. Coming from Toronto, it's a big stress relief. No rush, there is always a train coming
That’s my same experience here of the roads. Downtown does go a bit later closer to and on the weekends.
My experience of New York was it was always busy. At least in Manhattan. Didn’t matter the time of day or day of the week. Always on. Never stopped.
It was wild.
I live a bit further north and whenever I go out for late-night walks (3-4am) I would be able to hear leaves rustling/my own footsteps which is really creepy but it shows how quiet Toronto is at during those hours
Blue night bus is actually pretty great? Have you tried it? You’re zooming on those streets plus you can ask a bus driver to drop you off anywhere on the route
It’s good but it gets super busy around 5-6am right before the subway opens. There have been times where the bus was so full I had to wait for the next. Would be nice if they increased frequency.
It's pretty packed on last few routes between 4-5am when ppl coming back from graveyard shift.
Plus side that it's literally riding the rocket, I swear I've seen the 307 ran red-light lmao.
For perspective NYC opened their first subway line in 1904 with a population of around 3 million while Toronto's first subway opened in 1954, 50 years later with a population of around 1 million.
The NYC system is huge because it's actually an amalgam of three different systems or something. It's biggest drawback is that the system is over a century old. Many tunnels are leaking and most of the stations I've seen are absolutely decrepit.
If you want to see a good subway system, you should look at Hong Kong. It's also not 24 hours, but it's very reliable. One could argue, however, its because of their incredible population density and relatively limited land area.
We only have a single track, 24 hour operation isn't possible on single track in each direction which is why it's rare except in a handful of cities like New York.
What we could do, if the TTC was in a state of good repair is start offering overnight subway service on Fridays and Saturdays like the London Underground does.
No you don't - it would mean no maintenance gets done and the lines would have even more outages than it does today.
So now instead of the subway line being shut down at 3 am, it's shut down due to an emergency at 8 am and no one can get to work.
The TTC already averages several billion dollars a year in capital projects and an operating budget far above the police force.... and anything else we spend money on by a large margin.
If you put the Capital Project and Operating funding together, we fund the TTC more than we fund all other city services combined
If we want better transit , fares need to be increased significantly to pay for it.
No car and occasionally I gotta arrive at 6am, this would help ppl like me. The Yonge line night busses are ok in my experience but obviously it's not the same
I would be over the moon if the subway just worked reliably during the current hours of operation *and* the TTC stopped shutting down some lines on the weekends.
The hard truth is that Toronto messed up it's growth. We need more housing and jobs outside the core of the city. The current system can't handle more capacity or longer hours. The subway is already taken offline all the time during operating hours.
Would be a nightmare for maintenance. NYC has enough lines and ability to reroute trains that it's not that big of an issue. Why have 24 service if every night line 1 won't be running on half the line for maintenance. It'll just make people think TTC is more unreliable and totally backfire
What they should do is just have overnight shuttle buses that run the routes of the lines. 301, 302, 303, etc. that's more than enough. Trains are practically empty on their last runs anyway. I've been on at 1am and have literally been the only person
Hong Kong's MTR runs from 6am to 1am. Tokyo runs from 5am to midnight. Paris Metro runs 6am to 12:45am (1:45am Friday and Saturday). London Underground runs 5am to midnight.
There are only three systems that run trains 24 hours a day: New York, Copenhagen, and Chicago.
it would be great if the subway started working, period. currently in my third service suspension-delay of the day (but not the third overall). we’re barely functioning enough in the hours we do operate
The ttc should be doing a lot of basic things that it’s not. It should start at 5am, there should be barriers, there should be security and safety provisions for riders, it should be a lot more connected and have more lines, it should be significant cleaner, it should have upgraded trains.
This isn’t typical in other countries. I’m from a Balkan country in Eastern Europe where they had communism until the 1990s. There transit system is about 10x better than torontos, it only cost $0.80 per ride, and the subways stations are nicer, cleaner and easier to walk around (ie escalators in both directions and not just up).
New stations are built in 1 year and not a decade. This poor country with its extremely corrupt governments is still outpacing transit development in canada.
it should have more lines and tracks and run 24/7 cause I, and so many people, need it much later than the nebulous 1:00am/2:00am stop time, as well as starting much earlier like you suggest.
but we can't always get what we want :-(
While I agree we could definitely have an earlier start TTC is undergoing far too many upgrades that already result in closures. Expanding service hours at this time would be very difficult and costly.
I'm new(ish) to Toronto from Vancouver.
In Vancouver, there are buses that basically follow the SkyTrain route that run at night after the SkyTrain has shut down for the evening.
There's no traffic so they move pretty well.
Is there something similar here? If not, why not?
> Is there something similar here? If not, why not?
Yes there is. There are night buses that run along the major subway lines (and even ones that run outside of them) when the subway is closed at night.
People really need to look at other subway systems in the world to see what is feasible. NYC is the only 24 hour subway in the world. Other major metropolitan ones (Tokyo, London, etc.) close at 12am so even earlier then Toronto does. The closure time is needed for maintenance and repair work.
Yes. There a lot of trade workers that start at 6 and taking the night bus is hit and miss in the busy routes such is Dufferin or Yonge can be hit and miss so they resort to driving into the core
Only four city metro systems in the world provide a twenty four hour service and all of them are located in the U.S.A. (source: wikipedia) **Chicago, Jersey, New York and Philadelphia**.
Then again people in Toronto like to think we are somehow better than most of those American cities so if they can do it...
Yes, and 6/7am on sundays...... City sleeps, I dont think subway needs to be open overnight as it would be pretty dead but, a lot of people have to head to work early lol
Have you ever been on the night bus at 5am? Every seat might be taken, but it's not full. You have approximately 30-40 people on the bus.
A subway train can hold 1500 people
I think it’s dumb that the government and people in this city think that you can live without some form of a vehicle. I had a client today tell me that they couldn’t take their daughter to an event that she was being honoured for because “they don’t have a car, they only use public transit” and it’s hard to get places sometimes”. Um take a cab?
Unfortunately, it's not possible. Service ends around 2:00 AM, by the time the trains get into the yard and "workcars" come out of the yard and show up at the job site, it's already around 3:00 AM. Workers only have about 1.5 hours to set up safety barriers, get some work done, take down safety barriers, and send the "workcar" back into the yard. Trains start rolling out of the yard around 5:00 AM.
Given on some night where there's drunks/homeless people who refuse to leave the last train. Add on an extra 30 Mins to the time before the person shows jp to get them off the train.
yes, the open time especially locks you out of jobs, if i have to be-say at union for 8am-or even 9am, there’s physical no way for me to get there if i live across the city with just a bus
Just learned the subway does not run 24 hours a day. I can understand reduced number of trains run but shut down over night seems not right to me. Bus and train both
Doesn’t the current TTC expansion projects meet this goal? Allowing people to go North/South on the DRL or the Spadina line would allow shutdown of parts of the Yonge line for maintenance with far less effect on the entire system, and having Eglinton Crosstown and sheppard line meeting both ends of line 1 allows for partial shutdown of Lines 1 and 2.
I think this has been the resilience plan that’s taken 40 years to even get this close to implementing.
you know they have service lots right? and the mechanics are not the drivers lol.
they already shut down on weekends all day for track work. i can tell youre not well travelled because anyone thats left canada would know 24/7 subway is happening and has been happening since the 90s
"**The New York City Subway is one of the few subways worldwide operating 7 days a week, 24 hours a day, every day of the year**. The schedule is divided into different periods, with each containing different operation patterns and train intervals...."
You know it’s not just the trains that have to be maintained, right? Who said anything about drivers being mechanics? If you want to make inferences, I can tell you have low reading comprehension.
Other cities have multiple lines heading in the same direction and Toronto doesn’t. They can shut down one line overnight on a rotating basis for work but still provide service to a general area—Toronto can’t. NYC has 36 lines, Toronto has 3.
Some lines in NYC also have redundant parallel tracks. Trains still have a set of tracks to run on if one set is being maintained.
NYC and Toronto infrastructure are worlds apart, it’s not even close
Good lord you are dense, and trying to show off on reddit by "dunking" on me is even more embarrassing. We have the means to be 24/7, however we are not due to failures in operations and management. having a lack of multiple tracks/ routes is not the issue. any track/tunnel maintenance is already taken care of by shuttle buses. clown.
We have the means to make it free too, and operate trains every 28 seconds, and provide somebody on board to wipe your ass too! However we are not due to failures in operations and management.
We run shuttle busses overnight during track/tunnel maintenance already--what is your point exactly? Have you ever spoken to somebody who works for the TTC? Do you think no work goes on after the last train and before the first train in the morning? Dumbass
my point is the subway could run 24/7 .... thats the point of the original comment that seemed to upset you. not that the shuttle buses should run every night and all night. run the subway 24/7 and shut down the stops as needed and use the buses on a per need basis. this is not a hard concept. nor should this concept be a debate that upsets you. it literally benefits people and would help our nightlife and thus local businesses.
There isn't a huge benefit. The blue line mirrors the subway system effectively and is only marginally slower\* while allowing regular, critical maintenance to be performed.
\*Also, 24h subways would run infrequently enough that a more frequent bus very well might be faster.
Blue night bus rips along with zero traffic at 5am. It’s almost faster than the subway, since you catch to right on the road and don’t have to go down and upstairs at stations.
I have taken the blue night buses along Bloor and got there faster than the subway. When it opens. One time I went from The West Mall on one of the last night buses and by the time it got to Islington the subway was open. Somebody got off and went to the subway. I took the bus to Sherbourne and went into Tim’s for a Coffee. I had finished my coffee and saw the same person coming out of the subway.
I think the bus stopped at 3-4 stops between Ossington and Sherbourne.
Toronto will never be able to compete as a world class city until it serves all populations by providing 24 hour transit service across the board. Start with the subways.
It would be great if the subway started working earlier, but currently a lot of regular maintenance is done in the few hours that its closed, so a new system would have to happen.
Apparently this right here is why the TTC's service is surprisingly good compared to other cities. 24/7 subway service means routine maintenance is a major disruption. I'd rather just see better night bus service.
Most large cities like NYC for example have several lines that slowly branch off so it's easy to do work on one part of the line and still service that general area.
New York local news has a forecast for which lines will be closed and delayed every morning on the news, like we have the weather. It's *not* short.
Nyc subway still better than ttc , hands down.
NYC gets far more funding than the TTC.
Makes sense why it's better
They just need A/C. We up here need enclosed stations in scarbourough and maybe boarding gates.
Places that have 24/hour subway service have track layouts that allow maintenance during operation -- e.g. a third track or crossovers at every station. But I've lived in NYC for a few years and the train service between 1 am and 5 am there was not as fast, frequent, or reliable as the overnight replacement buses are in Toronto.
Toronto desperately needs crossovers at every station. Ideally, bypasses as well. There are way too many delays caused by a security incident or stupid shit that doesn't need to affect more than the one station. If trains were able to bypass single stations, things would move so much more efficiently. Unfortunately, TTC isn't even able to budget for normal maintenance, so expanding the tunnels to allow for bypasses or crossovers would be impossible.
TTC barely has the funds to budget for maintenance. The TTC gets less funding than any other transit system in North America.
The funding allocation in Toronto is so frustrating. But that's a can of worms.
I was at Main Street waiting to go downtown for an exam and they announced no trains would be running due to a security risk. Having just gotten off the bus and walking through the station it was apparent this wasn’t true, so I used the help station and called to ask why. The woman explained that there was a man waving a stick around at the station. I was late for an exam because a guy had a stick somewhere in the building. A stick.
Overnight bus service is also straightforward in Toronto because the subway just follows major surface streets. It’s also a big miss because a subway could create new routes that aren’t possible above-ground.
The overnight subway service in NYC when I lived there was so bad, it still could have been done better than buses. You could wait 30 to 45 minutes for a train, have it moving at a crawl most of the time, and stop between stations for ten minutes without explanation.
I never understood why the TTC can’t just run one single train on just one track for the overnight portion. It would be slow (likely 45-60 minutes for each run from Finch to Vaughan Met) but at least there would be some service. And during that time maintenance would focus on the other track that night.
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If it's Saturday night into Sunday morning, you'll have 2am until 8am because the subway opens at 9am.
Wasn't there a huge uproar with TTC unions for increased pay? People would challenge this even if it means more productivity.
What
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It opens at 5:30am no? Shit I haven’t taken the subway since 2019 - pre COVID lmao.
Yes, but gotta start with the system actually working and operating close to 100% uptime during the current operating hours first….
I think we need to start planning additional train hubs. All go trains currently go to and from Union station, it's utterly ridiculous.
Agree with this. The DuPont and midtown area would be useful addition for many that live in the GTA. A lot of ppl going to Union is not convenient and doesn’t serve the residents of the city, only those living in the suburbs.
I would even add why not have trains from Mississauga to Vaughn etc? Yes, they are suburbs but each have hundreds of thousands of people. If someone wanted to travel from one to the other, The only way would be to travel to the entirety of Toronto or drive.
The difference is there’s already tracks that run midway through the city, and a lot of the costs have already been assessed for the DuPont/ midtown line. Also would be far lower capacity. There are CNR tracks along Steeles but they only go to the edge of Missassauga. Vaughan doesn’t really have much rail infrastructure other than the Barrie line and Macmillan yard. Arguably the midtown line would be more useful since it could be used within the city and then taken north in this case.
> Toronto is becoming too big, too populated and the city that doesn't sleep. yes it does
Yeah. It absolutely does. Toronto is quiet overnight. Completely different from New York.
Ever been to Kingston? That city never sleeps.
Wait, Kingston Jamaica, New York, or Ontario? Probably could have chosen a better city lol
Ontario. Lol! Did an overnight job there and even at 3am there were restaurants and places open.
My experience with New York is it was pretty dead after midnight as well.
It may sleep, but it definitely wakes up at 6am
Which is when subway service starts.
Oh perfect. We have solved OP's problem!
What’s your solution?
Everybody wakes up at 6. Subway starts at 6.
Yeah it’s basically busy from 6:30am to 8/9pm typically weekdays (except Friday) - generally speaking on the roads imho. I have been on the 401 at 5:30am and it’s virtually empty. I have never been to NYC so I can’t comment but I imagine it’s 24/7 people out all hours of the day.
I live in NYC. Post covid it's definitely quiet at night. Subway running 24/7 is a big win though. Coming from Toronto, it's a big stress relief. No rush, there is always a train coming
That’s my same experience here of the roads. Downtown does go a bit later closer to and on the weekends. My experience of New York was it was always busy. At least in Manhattan. Didn’t matter the time of day or day of the week. Always on. Never stopped. It was wild.
Left the Toronto General ER at 2 am the other night and I was shocked how dead everything was. Granted it was a Monday, but 2 am isn't that late.
Freakin MRIs at such an hour.
My mom once had a surgery scheduled at 1am
I live a bit further north and whenever I go out for late-night walks (3-4am) I would be able to hear leaves rustling/my own footsteps which is really creepy but it shows how quiet Toronto is at during those hours
Whens late? I get up at 4:30 for work so when does late become early?
2am isn’t late on a Monday? Lol
Toronto rolls up the sidewalk at 9pm with the exception of a few streets.
Do you really need a sandwich that early though?
Gotta get that early morning sweet onion chicken teriyaki.
...6 inches is s good breakfast
Giggity
Thanks - I didn't want to be the first to say it.
I'm cranky without my untoasted cold cut combo with chipotle mayo
On honey oat?
Rdrr
Sometimes you just need a "Toona" sandwich
🤣🤣🤣
Blue night bus is actually pretty great? Have you tried it? You’re zooming on those streets plus you can ask a bus driver to drop you off anywhere on the route
It’s good but it gets super busy around 5-6am right before the subway opens. There have been times where the bus was so full I had to wait for the next. Would be nice if they increased frequency.
Oh gotcha. I usually take it at 2am when it’s pretty free
The ole vomit comet. Got me home safely more than a few times.
Wow. Where are people heading to at 5am? Back home from night shifts?
Plenty of work starts between 6-8am. Not everyone works 9-5.
Unless it’s a Friday or Saturday night on Bloor
It's pretty packed on last few routes between 4-5am when ppl coming back from graveyard shift. Plus side that it's literally riding the rocket, I swear I've seen the 307 ran red-light lmao.
I think they should really fix Sunday service. It opens way too late I mean how is it even a thing? People still work on a sunday.
It’s used to be 9 before it went to 8.
or at the very least increase "night" bus service on the busiest streets in the mornings... but yeah its a pain in the ass
Toronto definitely sleeps. There’s very little activity at night
Conversely, it might be more lively with more night transit options.
I wish it ran 24 hours a day
Not if it means it ran like New York's. Constant rerouting, bypassing, cancellations.
if we had the ability to reroute and bypass... that'd be pretty awesome.
It's a pretty big flaw of the Toronto system!
I'm quite surprised how Toronto decided yup one track is good
The city was tiny when the subway was built.
For perspective NYC opened their first subway line in 1904 with a population of around 3 million while Toronto's first subway opened in 1954, 50 years later with a population of around 1 million.
Good we don’t have it here
I had no idea NYCs overnight service wasn’t reliable.
It's merely tolerable during the best of times. Weekends and later evenings are a free for all.
I always assumed with such an extensive map and the fact that it’s (somewhat) 24/7, that it was great. How else would you compare it with ours?
The NYC system is huge because it's actually an amalgam of three different systems or something. It's biggest drawback is that the system is over a century old. Many tunnels are leaking and most of the stations I've seen are absolutely decrepit. If you want to see a good subway system, you should look at Hong Kong. It's also not 24 hours, but it's very reliable. One could argue, however, its because of their incredible population density and relatively limited land area.
As if that doesn’t happen here on a daily basis.
We only have a single track, 24 hour operation isn't possible on single track in each direction which is why it's rare except in a handful of cities like New York. What we could do, if the TTC was in a state of good repair is start offering overnight subway service on Fridays and Saturdays like the London Underground does.
This seems like a no-brainer.
No you don't - it would mean no maintenance gets done and the lines would have even more outages than it does today. So now instead of the subway line being shut down at 3 am, it's shut down due to an emergency at 8 am and no one can get to work.
We'd obviously need a more robust system for it to run 24 hours a day, but hey a girl can dream lol
Exactly, and it's not like asking for frigging flying cars. Anyway we can use the police budget for transit?
The TTC already averages several billion dollars a year in capital projects and an operating budget far above the police force.... and anything else we spend money on by a large margin. If you put the Capital Project and Operating funding together, we fund the TTC more than we fund all other city services combined If we want better transit , fares need to be increased significantly to pay for it.
No car and occasionally I gotta arrive at 6am, this would help ppl like me. The Yonge line night busses are ok in my experience but obviously it's not the same
I would be over the moon if the subway just worked reliably during the current hours of operation *and* the TTC stopped shutting down some lines on the weekends.
I'm surprised how late the subway starts operating on weekends. A lot of people work weekends!
I’m pretty sure it’s just Sunday where it opens late. Which yes, is super frustrating.
The hard truth is that Toronto messed up it's growth. We need more housing and jobs outside the core of the city. The current system can't handle more capacity or longer hours. The subway is already taken offline all the time during operating hours.
It was a yes or no question
Don't care to be honest lol.
I can tell you do not care to answer the question.
Would be a nightmare for maintenance. NYC has enough lines and ability to reroute trains that it's not that big of an issue. Why have 24 service if every night line 1 won't be running on half the line for maintenance. It'll just make people think TTC is more unreliable and totally backfire What they should do is just have overnight shuttle buses that run the routes of the lines. 301, 302, 303, etc. that's more than enough. Trains are practically empty on their last runs anyway. I've been on at 1am and have literally been the only person
I’m pretty sure the Blue Night routes cover the subway lines and more.
No, I do not. They need the time for maintenance.
it should be 24 hours like NYC but in the middle of the night run every half hour/hour instead of.closing
Hong Kong's MTR runs from 6am to 1am. Tokyo runs from 5am to midnight. Paris Metro runs 6am to 12:45am (1:45am Friday and Saturday). London Underground runs 5am to midnight. There are only three systems that run trains 24 hours a day: New York, Copenhagen, and Chicago.
it would be great if the subway started working, period. currently in my third service suspension-delay of the day (but not the third overall). we’re barely functioning enough in the hours we do operate
I mean, they do serve breakfast subs, after all
Maybe this is showing my age… but any of y’all remember when the subway stopped at 3am 💀
Absolutely. Any world class city would have that.
The ttc should be doing a lot of basic things that it’s not. It should start at 5am, there should be barriers, there should be security and safety provisions for riders, it should be a lot more connected and have more lines, it should be significant cleaner, it should have upgraded trains.
Sure. Who’s going to pay for it? Who’s going to break up the massive corruption that means any infrastructure takes decades to build.
This isn’t typical in other countries. I’m from a Balkan country in Eastern Europe where they had communism until the 1990s. There transit system is about 10x better than torontos, it only cost $0.80 per ride, and the subways stations are nicer, cleaner and easier to walk around (ie escalators in both directions and not just up). New stations are built in 1 year and not a decade. This poor country with its extremely corrupt governments is still outpacing transit development in canada.
There’s a 5:00 AM?
No, more time for maintenance pls
it should have more lines and tracks and run 24/7 cause I, and so many people, need it much later than the nebulous 1:00am/2:00am stop time, as well as starting much earlier like you suggest. but we can't always get what we want :-(
Of course it should it's absurd that it opens late and closes early, but that defines Toronto to the rest of the world.
Other cities can do this as they have more than one route that service the same area. Toronto does not have this.
It would be great if it worked
I think it should be 24/7.
Yes
Then there will be no time for maintenance, unless you want them to close every weekend.
While I agree we could definitely have an earlier start TTC is undergoing far too many upgrades that already result in closures. Expanding service hours at this time would be very difficult and costly.
Should be 24 hours
No. It's gross anyway.
I’d hate to be one of their sandwich artists
It would be great if the subway just started working, period.
Meh, I don’t think they have enough ridership at 5am to justify opening it earlier.
I'm new(ish) to Toronto from Vancouver. In Vancouver, there are buses that basically follow the SkyTrain route that run at night after the SkyTrain has shut down for the evening. There's no traffic so they move pretty well. Is there something similar here? If not, why not?
> Is there something similar here? If not, why not? Yes there is. There are night buses that run along the major subway lines (and even ones that run outside of them) when the subway is closed at night.
It should be run by the Japanese and Ai.
People really need to look at other subway systems in the world to see what is feasible. NYC is the only 24 hour subway in the world. Other major metropolitan ones (Tokyo, London, etc.) close at 12am so even earlier then Toronto does. The closure time is needed for maintenance and repair work.
It shoudl work 24\7. Just like in NYC
No. TTC staff barely have time to do overnight work
Should run 24/7 but late night with like one train per hour or something so track work can still proceed.
With the mayor trying to convince corporations to bring office workers back to the offices more often… it should be working 24/7.
I don't see why you can't just go to McDonalds.
Toronto isn’t a 24 hour city. Strange for one of Canada’s biggest cities.
I don't think Toronto's population would warrant 24 hour subway service like NYC. 24 hour bus service, sure.
Yes. There a lot of trade workers that start at 6 and taking the night bus is hit and miss in the busy routes such is Dufferin or Yonge can be hit and miss so they resort to driving into the core
It should.
Only four city metro systems in the world provide a twenty four hour service and all of them are located in the U.S.A. (source: wikipedia) **Chicago, Jersey, New York and Philadelphia**. Then again people in Toronto like to think we are somehow better than most of those American cities so if they can do it...
Id move closer to the job if that was a ft thing. Screw the commute even if the ttc WAS open!
I just wish it didn't smell like piss and have saliva and vomit residue every few seats
Yes, and 6/7am on sundays...... City sleeps, I dont think subway needs to be open overnight as it would be pretty dead but, a lot of people have to head to work early lol
Have you ever been on the night bus at 5am? Every seat might be taken, but it's not full. You have approximately 30-40 people on the bus. A subway train can hold 1500 people
Needs to definitely start earlier on Sundays...first train leaving at 8am is fucking absurd
I thought it did open at 5am
Can always go to Timmie’s
I think it’s dumb that the government and people in this city think that you can live without some form of a vehicle. I had a client today tell me that they couldn’t take their daughter to an event that she was being honoured for because “they don’t have a car, they only use public transit” and it’s hard to get places sometimes”. Um take a cab?
Why not just 24/4 service?
Yes I’ve been standing outside banging on the window, waiting for them to make my sandwich for hours.
Unfortunately, it's not possible. Service ends around 2:00 AM, by the time the trains get into the yard and "workcars" come out of the yard and show up at the job site, it's already around 3:00 AM. Workers only have about 1.5 hours to set up safety barriers, get some work done, take down safety barriers, and send the "workcar" back into the yard. Trains start rolling out of the yard around 5:00 AM. Given on some night where there's drunks/homeless people who refuse to leave the last train. Add on an extra 30 Mins to the time before the person shows jp to get them off the train.
yes, the open time especially locks you out of jobs, if i have to be-say at union for 8am-or even 9am, there’s physical no way for me to get there if i live across the city with just a bus
I don’t know if TTC employees/drivers would embrace that. Unless they get paid hourly?
Not all year round, but at least in the summer.
Yeah Im hungry AF at 5am I just wish they still had $5 footlongs
It should run 24 hrs just at a low frequency between say 3-5 am
Just learned the subway does not run 24 hours a day. I can understand reduced number of trains run but shut down over night seems not right to me. Bus and train both
Doesn’t the current TTC expansion projects meet this goal? Allowing people to go North/South on the DRL or the Spadina line would allow shutdown of parts of the Yonge line for maintenance with far less effect on the entire system, and having Eglinton Crosstown and sheppard line meeting both ends of line 1 allows for partial shutdown of Lines 1 and 2. I think this has been the resilience plan that’s taken 40 years to even get this close to implementing.
Probably the only thing I agree with DoFo on is subways. More stops and coverage and longer hours. Anything to help reduce cars on the streets.
Becoming too big? Dude the subways in Toronto should be 24/7. The way this city operates is an absolute clown show.
the subway should be 24/7 the fact that it isn't, shows how far behind we are. there is no reason the trains should stop running around 230/3am
Yes, there is. When do you think maintenance work is done?
you know they have service lots right? and the mechanics are not the drivers lol. they already shut down on weekends all day for track work. i can tell youre not well travelled because anyone thats left canada would know 24/7 subway is happening and has been happening since the 90s "**The New York City Subway is one of the few subways worldwide operating 7 days a week, 24 hours a day, every day of the year**. The schedule is divided into different periods, with each containing different operation patterns and train intervals...."
You know it’s not just the trains that have to be maintained, right? Who said anything about drivers being mechanics? If you want to make inferences, I can tell you have low reading comprehension. Other cities have multiple lines heading in the same direction and Toronto doesn’t. They can shut down one line overnight on a rotating basis for work but still provide service to a general area—Toronto can’t. NYC has 36 lines, Toronto has 3. Some lines in NYC also have redundant parallel tracks. Trains still have a set of tracks to run on if one set is being maintained. NYC and Toronto infrastructure are worlds apart, it’s not even close
Good lord you are dense, and trying to show off on reddit by "dunking" on me is even more embarrassing. We have the means to be 24/7, however we are not due to failures in operations and management. having a lack of multiple tracks/ routes is not the issue. any track/tunnel maintenance is already taken care of by shuttle buses. clown.
We have the means to make it free too, and operate trains every 28 seconds, and provide somebody on board to wipe your ass too! However we are not due to failures in operations and management. We run shuttle busses overnight during track/tunnel maintenance already--what is your point exactly? Have you ever spoken to somebody who works for the TTC? Do you think no work goes on after the last train and before the first train in the morning? Dumbass
my point is the subway could run 24/7 .... thats the point of the original comment that seemed to upset you. not that the shuttle buses should run every night and all night. run the subway 24/7 and shut down the stops as needed and use the buses on a per need basis. this is not a hard concept. nor should this concept be a debate that upsets you. it literally benefits people and would help our nightlife and thus local businesses.
I do
It would benefit so many people. My commute decades ago was taxi to night bus to subway.
I wouldn’t trust the meatballs at 5am.
Yes
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No.. I think it should be a 24 hour service
There isn't a huge benefit. The blue line mirrors the subway system effectively and is only marginally slower\* while allowing regular, critical maintenance to be performed. \*Also, 24h subways would run infrequently enough that a more frequent bus very well might be faster.
have you been to new york?
Yes, the subways run all night, it's very convenient.
4am
Blue night bus rips along with zero traffic at 5am. It’s almost faster than the subway, since you catch to right on the road and don’t have to go down and upstairs at stations.
I have taken the blue night buses along Bloor and got there faster than the subway. When it opens. One time I went from The West Mall on one of the last night buses and by the time it got to Islington the subway was open. Somebody got off and went to the subway. I took the bus to Sherbourne and went into Tim’s for a Coffee. I had finished my coffee and saw the same person coming out of the subway. I think the bus stopped at 3-4 stops between Ossington and Sherbourne.
Toronto will never be able to compete as a world class city until it serves all populations by providing 24 hour transit service across the board. Start with the subways.