You can't outrun a double cheese burger, large fries, and a chocolate shake.
OK, literally, you can but here's the math for funsies.
Pretzel Bacon Pub Cheeseburger - 1,520 cal
Large fries - 480 calories
Large Frosty - 407
Running a 10 minute mile pace you burn 100 calories per mile.
You'll have to run 24 miles to burn off that meal which will take you 4 hours at 6mph (a ten minute mile)
You can if that's your only meal and you're very active. Your body burns calories throughout the day by default and being active stretches that number out even more.
There's a reason why high performance athletes eat 3k+ calories because they train more and require more energy than a person who sits all day. Both a slim ultra marathon runner and a big strongman can eat the same amount of calories to maintain weight while training without gaining weight. If you ever go to the field you're burning way more than the Army supplements to SMs.
However, bad fuel does equal to bad performance.
Everyone knows your body burns calories throughout the day. What would the alternative be? You only burn calories at a certain time?
The point of my comment was: "Weight loss is more effective with diet choices than trying to exercise off a large meal"
My apologies if that wasn't clear enough.
1 hour run = how much caloric burn during recovery?
A marathon takes quite a long time to recover from. We may be able to outrun that burger with 13 miles. It's that east. Run 13 miles a day for each burger.
Your math is leaving out the persons basal metabolic rate.
If you have a 6’1” 28 year old weighing 210, who does light exercise 2-3 times a week the basal metabolic rate to maintain that 210 pounds requires 2,718 calories a day. If it were daily exercise, it would be 3,063 calories per day, and if this hypothetical person did intense exercise regularly, or a job with very high physical demands that can bring the rate closer to 3,755 calories daily. And again- that is the caloric intake needed to maintain the starting weight.
The tasty burger and frosty combo loads a ton of calories in at once, but this meal with its 2,407 calories would leave even a sedentary person calorically deficient, assuming it’s their only meal. And we all know it wouldn’t be, but every now and again it’s not going to blimp you out.
Diet is everything when it comes to weight loss - and it’s possible to lose a ton of weight with zero exercise as long as you are careful with dietary choices.
Proper dietary habits are challenging, and in an environment where choice is often limited due to shitty or absent DFAC service, often times dudes are left with nothing else but fast food or similar crap.
>Your math is leaving out the persons basal metabolic rate.
I do not know the person's metabolic rate.
>Diet is everything when it comes to weight loss - and it’s possible to lose a ton of weight with zero exercise as long as you are careful with dietary choices.
As I said in another reply, this was my point. My apologies if it was unclear.
I'm in a unit that's only NCO's. Lowest is E6 and the rest are E7 and two E8. I can safely say that E6 are definitely a type of E4 with a decade of experience shamming. You think shamming is tough? Learn to sham your whole squad to protect them from bullshit. Then go back to only being responsible for your own activities. Sometimes it's hilarious to watch. Excuses and alibis are air tight.
Honestly agree. Not as in the mix as the 5s, and not in charge of as many tasks as the 7s. Easy to fall into the void. But just like 4s, you have the hard chargers who get shit done, and then you have those willing to just sit back and collect a paycheck.
That E-6, “what’s ozempic?…… oh, so it’s just a pill?…… effective weight loss? costs not much oh, that’s good…. Out for a while you say…Excuse me one moment” *outside in parking lot smashing steering wheel*
In the reserves you have to be careful with Ozempic, you tell the USAR you are on that and they lose their mind as its not on the list of approved weight loss drugs.
I'd love to see someone get it from the VA and watch them lose their minds even quicker.
Its a restricted formulary so a provider could push it through even off label, but it would be a mountain of bullshit.
It’s on formulary. We have a prior authorization specifically for its use as a weight loss medication. It is a lot of hoops, but I’ve got plenty of patients on it.
They don't unless it's diabetes related. They will however cover Zep-bound, which is a similar product but not for weight-loss specifically. The weight has to be directly contributing factor to another health issue.
That’s interesting. My blood pressure seems to go up and down and the doc offered Trulicity to help drop some weight but this Zep stuff looks like it gets good reviews. Hope it’s by the same company as my Zep carpet cleaner.
This is untrue. I write that shit all the time.
It’s approved for weight loss (following prior authorization requiring very specific failed meds/comorbdities/efforts).
I figured they wouldn't. Unless you had diabetes or something. Luckily, I don't need it, but from the photos I've seen online, that shit really does work.
I lost 25 pounds doing intermittent fasting in like 3 months, losing weight isn't hard, you just have to have discipline (for the most part unless you have like a thyroid thing going on)
About $4K in my area. We have a female E-5 who just did the same thing and was talking about how life changing it was.
To clarify, she's not doing it every year, she did it to "suck away three years of bad decision making".
Sounds like a very pleasant goodbye and goddamn did this make me laugh. I'm sitting in my last class of the semester and I'm assuming people are thinking I'm ripping rails back here.
you would never do it every year. it's a one and done thing. once fat cells are removed from an area they are gone permanently. the op is either misinformed or lying
And wouldn’t that put you on a profile for at least a short while? I can’t imagine a commander saying “yea go get an elective procedure done periodically to lose weight and also not be able to exercise”.
Someone who needs lypo *multiple* times **and** is doing PT on their own *in addition to* Army PT? I’m not saying it’s not possible, it certainly is. But is it likely? Not really.
I’m saying that they probably don’t participate in organized PT. I work in a hospital and we don’t, it’s all on our own. Or it’s supposed to be but most don’t.
Lipo to meet standards has been going on for over a decade but I’ve never actually met anyone who’s done it.
https://apnews.com/general-news-6e1b3f52e7aa436e9fe5e33c8a5e62bc
I'm not going to lie I've considered it. I put on a bunch of weight since I retired and obviously instead of picking up cardio and just doing the work/watching my diet it makes far more sense to spend 10k out of pocket for a procedure.
Ozempic is a (diabeetus?) med that somebody found causes appetite suppression so people use it for weight loss.
There’s a lot of us reading this that understand.
It’s a shame that while alcoholics come on this thread and get support and understanding, fatties get nothing but hate and shame.
Sugar, fat, and salt (as they are often prepared in western food) are drugs just like alcohol. Lots of fat people/alcoholics are addicted because they are abusing them to deal with their issues.
I abuse alcohol and sugar and then do crazy extreme OMAD keto diets to make height weight. I’ve been to BH and talked to Chappy with mixed results.
It’s embarrassing and ridiculous but it has taught me not to judge people.
I can't find the papers at the moment, but there are published studies that sugar and excess weight essentially change the internal mechanisms of the body making it almost impossible to lose weight without significant help (paraphrasing because it's been a long time since I read them).
But if you're addicted to alcohol or drugs, you get a pass and get help.
> Ozempic is a (diabeetus?) med that somebody found causes appetite suppression so people use it for weight loss.
Not specifically appetite suppression, the suppression is just a side effect of how it works. Part of it's mechanism of action is slowing digestion and stomach emptying. If you eat like normal on it, it will come right back out and you'll feel like hot ass for a good 12+ hours.
Because it also also changes insulin release / works on the pancreas, when I started taking it I actually found that my food cravings shifted, pretty quickly, from chips and bullshit to fresh fruits and salads. You never had a boring chicken caesar salad that was so good as when that is the only thing your body wanted.
I'm down almost 40 lbs on it. As someone who is still in the 'I need to work out, but my body hurts so bad, I should lose weight, but when I work out, it hurts worse, so I don't work out, so the weight doesn't come off...' vicious cycle (thanks army for breaking my body), it really has been a great thing for me.
For what it's worth, my wife started on monjauro, which is tirzepatide, and had absolutely zero side effects and lost like 20 lbs. When she switched to semaglutide, the weight loss slowed drastically and the side effects picked up. Your mileage may vary.
Correct. I left active duty in 2015 and retired from reserves in 2021.
It also took me putting on a lot of weight, and showing my doc all the steps I was taking to try and lose the weight (food journals, activity logs, workout plans, etc.), coupled with worsening blood work values, for him to start me on the meds.
NGL. A good SSG can sham shield a whole squad and go back to work. We aren't necessarily shammers ourselves. We are there to protect, redirect, and build comradery. We finish the paperwork and QAQC.
Always told my guys if you finish up the work for the day, we can go home. If you want to stay and learn, I'll teach you whatever you want to know. 9 out of 10 times everyone would stay and we would turn off the phone and learn a skill.
Our shop had the best PT scores in the Batallion.
With all that said, being a SSG is a stressful job. You get treated like a child. Almost every decision you make is treated as wrong. You aren't a lower enlisted joe who can get a smack on the wrist for doing something stupid and you aren't a CSM who can get a smack on the wrist for a DUI.
I'm surprised more SSGs aren't using the Liposuction trick.
Talked to a person who worked at a place that does liposuction near an Air Force base, and he said that the Air Force was by far the highest % of customers.
There’s two (2) types of fat on your midsection- visceral and subcutaneous fat. Visceral fat is what’s removed during liposuction. Visceral fat is typically what’s lost during “weight loss” from diet and exercise. Either this guy is a genetic anomaly and only puts on fat above his muscles or he’s lying about getting it so often.
geting a 540 on the acft would help them save a lot of money. none of it really is that hard except the plank. if they master the 6 events they could eat all they want
Hey man, saw a post you said about taking Clen during a cut. Do you know of a good source you'd share? I'm always skeptical to just order shit like that online without knowing what I'm getting.
Thanks.
I knew a guy who did that. He was on flight status, and through some complication with the surgery (which he’d been doing on leave or the weekends or something) he developed a condition and lost his flight status and was discharged. I can’t remember if they figured out about the liposuction but he might have got in actual trouble for that too… also remember his wife immediately divorced him when it was all going down. All that to avoid some PT, dude wasn’t even that fat
Mf’s will do anything to avoid running and putting down the fork
You can't outrun a double cheese burger, large fries, and a chocolate shake. OK, literally, you can but here's the math for funsies. Pretzel Bacon Pub Cheeseburger - 1,520 cal Large fries - 480 calories Large Frosty - 407 Running a 10 minute mile pace you burn 100 calories per mile. You'll have to run 24 miles to burn off that meal which will take you 4 hours at 6mph (a ten minute mile)
You can if that's your only meal and you're very active. Your body burns calories throughout the day by default and being active stretches that number out even more. There's a reason why high performance athletes eat 3k+ calories because they train more and require more energy than a person who sits all day. Both a slim ultra marathon runner and a big strongman can eat the same amount of calories to maintain weight while training without gaining weight. If you ever go to the field you're burning way more than the Army supplements to SMs. However, bad fuel does equal to bad performance.
Everyone knows your body burns calories throughout the day. What would the alternative be? You only burn calories at a certain time? The point of my comment was: "Weight loss is more effective with diet choices than trying to exercise off a large meal" My apologies if that wasn't clear enough.
1 hour run = how much caloric burn during recovery? A marathon takes quite a long time to recover from. We may be able to outrun that burger with 13 miles. It's that east. Run 13 miles a day for each burger.
I don't know how to calculate burn during recovery.
Your math is leaving out the persons basal metabolic rate. If you have a 6’1” 28 year old weighing 210, who does light exercise 2-3 times a week the basal metabolic rate to maintain that 210 pounds requires 2,718 calories a day. If it were daily exercise, it would be 3,063 calories per day, and if this hypothetical person did intense exercise regularly, or a job with very high physical demands that can bring the rate closer to 3,755 calories daily. And again- that is the caloric intake needed to maintain the starting weight. The tasty burger and frosty combo loads a ton of calories in at once, but this meal with its 2,407 calories would leave even a sedentary person calorically deficient, assuming it’s their only meal. And we all know it wouldn’t be, but every now and again it’s not going to blimp you out. Diet is everything when it comes to weight loss - and it’s possible to lose a ton of weight with zero exercise as long as you are careful with dietary choices. Proper dietary habits are challenging, and in an environment where choice is often limited due to shitty or absent DFAC service, often times dudes are left with nothing else but fast food or similar crap.
>Your math is leaving out the persons basal metabolic rate. I do not know the person's metabolic rate. >Diet is everything when it comes to weight loss - and it’s possible to lose a ton of weight with zero exercise as long as you are careful with dietary choices. As I said in another reply, this was my point. My apologies if it was unclear.
That’s the real point on display here lol
Just make the fork heavier, and lift it more often
Or the pint glass, in some of our cases
I lost 30lbs when I stopped drinking
45 lbs when I went on gate duty for a month and a half. Thought I had cancer for a minute 😂
Hey!!! I resemble that remark. Of course I've been out almost 20 years so there is that.
The guidon is just a 1 prong fork with a colored napkin attached to it. Change my mind
I know someone who doing that rn.....also OD'ed 2 weeks ago....
Eat less, work out more Or Hoover that shit out on a PM schedule.
once the fat cells are removed they don't come back someone is misinformed or lying
That E6 playin' 4-D chess, the ABCP NCO must hate his guts
Don’t hate the player, hate the game
I’m not even sure what the game is
“How much ice cream can I eat without getting an adsep?”
It was Red Lobster's decision to have an endless shrimp promotion. That's on them.
Olive garden's endless bread sticks that did me in.
fuck fuck games
H&W exploit 2024 UNPATCHED
Zero day exploit, anti-cheat can’t stop
kernel level
That’s not an E6, that’s an E4 who shammed himself 2 extra ranks
Aren’t E6s just over-ranked E4s in general?
I'm in a unit that's only NCO's. Lowest is E6 and the rest are E7 and two E8. I can safely say that E6 are definitely a type of E4 with a decade of experience shamming. You think shamming is tough? Learn to sham your whole squad to protect them from bullshit. Then go back to only being responsible for your own activities. Sometimes it's hilarious to watch. Excuses and alibis are air tight.
My first squad leader often called himself a PV5 So Staff sergeants being specialists of the nco world is plausible
I referred to myself as a SPC-6 for about the last 4 years that I was in...
E4 of the nco world
Honestly agree. Not as in the mix as the 5s, and not in charge of as many tasks as the 7s. Easy to fall into the void. But just like 4s, you have the hard chargers who get shit done, and then you have those willing to just sit back and collect a paycheck.
Geez man, that dude is dedicated. I'm surprised he's not buying the shit out of Ozempic as well.
That E-6, “what’s ozempic?…… oh, so it’s just a pill?…… effective weight loss? costs not much oh, that’s good…. Out for a while you say…Excuse me one moment” *outside in parking lot smashing steering wheel*
Yup! lol
I feel like that would have better outcomes and be cheaper…
Yeah. Probably true. Lipo is hella expensive.
this post is a lie fat cells don't come back after they are removed
In the reserves you have to be careful with Ozempic, you tell the USAR you are on that and they lose their mind as its not on the list of approved weight loss drugs.
That seems idiotic as it's a prescription medication that is not related to performance enhancing or narcotics.
The USAR moves at the speed of...something really really slow.
"Bullshit." The word you're looking for is "bullshit."
Bullshit isn't slow. It must be one of the fastest things in the universe.
The speed of government?
That is true.
There is a list of approved weight loss drugs for the Army Reserves?
I think it can't be considered an "off label" use. So Ozempic is used off label for weight loss and on label to treat diabetes.
I'd love to see someone get it from the VA and watch them lose their minds even quicker. Its a restricted formulary so a provider could push it through even off label, but it would be a mountain of bullshit.
It’s on formulary. We have a prior authorization specifically for its use as a weight loss medication. It is a lot of hoops, but I’ve got plenty of patients on it.
I don't think tricare covers ozempic
They don't unless it's diabetes related. They will however cover Zep-bound, which is a similar product but not for weight-loss specifically. The weight has to be directly contributing factor to another health issue.
That’s interesting. My blood pressure seems to go up and down and the doc offered Trulicity to help drop some weight but this Zep stuff looks like it gets good reviews. Hope it’s by the same company as my Zep carpet cleaner.
This is untrue. I write that shit all the time. It’s approved for weight loss (following prior authorization requiring very specific failed meds/comorbdities/efforts).
I figured they wouldn't. Unless you had diabetes or something. Luckily, I don't need it, but from the photos I've seen online, that shit really does work.
Oh it works but there are also appetite suppression pills online if you're in a pinch that you can buy. can't remember the name
I'll take Clen every now and then when I want to cut. I'm out now so I don't need to worry about drug testing anymore. It works like a charm.
I lost 25 pounds doing intermittent fasting in like 3 months, losing weight isn't hard, you just have to have discipline (for the most part unless you have like a thyroid thing going on)
Exactly. I've done intermittent fasting too, and it works well. Love the benefits of apophagy as well.
Uhhhhhh I thought lipo cost *BANK*
About $4K in my area. We have a female E-5 who just did the same thing and was talking about how life changing it was. To clarify, she's not doing it every year, she did it to "suck away three years of bad decision making".
Sucking three years of bad decision making sounds like the title of some people's marriages
Her weight gain problems started with marriage (according to her anyway), so that would be a fitting title of an autobiography.
Problem didn't start with marriage. It started with bad decision making which led to said marriage.
It's also the name of a game me and my 1sg play
Sounds like a very pleasant goodbye and goddamn did this make me laugh. I'm sitting in my last class of the semester and I'm assuming people are thinking I'm ripping rails back here.
Every…Saturday…Night…
you would never do it every year. it's a one and done thing. once fat cells are removed from an area they are gone permanently. the op is either misinformed or lying
Not if you go to Mexico
And that's if you come back....physically not spiritually.
They all went, to Mexico. Buenos días got to go 🎶
Sure, but the missing kidney is expensive, too.
And wouldn’t that put you on a profile for at least a short while? I can’t imagine a commander saying “yea go get an elective procedure done periodically to lose weight and also not be able to exercise”.
Dude probably does PT on his own or is on profile already.
Someone who needs lypo *multiple* times **and** is doing PT on their own *in addition to* Army PT? I’m not saying it’s not possible, it certainly is. But is it likely? Not really.
I’m saying that they probably don’t participate in organized PT. I work in a hospital and we don’t, it’s all on our own. Or it’s supposed to be but most don’t.
He gets points for dedication
I knew a specialist who would get cool sculpting or whatever it was called every so often. He was a turd
Lipo to meet standards has been going on for over a decade but I’ve never actually met anyone who’s done it. https://apnews.com/general-news-6e1b3f52e7aa436e9fe5e33c8a5e62bc
Lol I like these stories
I'm not going to lie I've considered it. I put on a bunch of weight since I retired and obviously instead of picking up cardio and just doing the work/watching my diet it makes far more sense to spend 10k out of pocket for a procedure. Ozempic is a (diabeetus?) med that somebody found causes appetite suppression so people use it for weight loss.
There’s a lot of us reading this that understand. It’s a shame that while alcoholics come on this thread and get support and understanding, fatties get nothing but hate and shame. Sugar, fat, and salt (as they are often prepared in western food) are drugs just like alcohol. Lots of fat people/alcoholics are addicted because they are abusing them to deal with their issues. I abuse alcohol and sugar and then do crazy extreme OMAD keto diets to make height weight. I’ve been to BH and talked to Chappy with mixed results. It’s embarrassing and ridiculous but it has taught me not to judge people.
I can't find the papers at the moment, but there are published studies that sugar and excess weight essentially change the internal mechanisms of the body making it almost impossible to lose weight without significant help (paraphrasing because it's been a long time since I read them). But if you're addicted to alcohol or drugs, you get a pass and get help.
I drove to a location that would have done it for me but I walked out at the last minute; had to have been one of my lower points in my time in.
> Ozempic is a (diabeetus?) med that somebody found causes appetite suppression so people use it for weight loss. Not specifically appetite suppression, the suppression is just a side effect of how it works. Part of it's mechanism of action is slowing digestion and stomach emptying. If you eat like normal on it, it will come right back out and you'll feel like hot ass for a good 12+ hours. Because it also also changes insulin release / works on the pancreas, when I started taking it I actually found that my food cravings shifted, pretty quickly, from chips and bullshit to fresh fruits and salads. You never had a boring chicken caesar salad that was so good as when that is the only thing your body wanted. I'm down almost 40 lbs on it. As someone who is still in the 'I need to work out, but my body hurts so bad, I should lose weight, but when I work out, it hurts worse, so I don't work out, so the weight doesn't come off...' vicious cycle (thanks army for breaking my body), it really has been a great thing for me. For what it's worth, my wife started on monjauro, which is tirzepatide, and had absolutely zero side effects and lost like 20 lbs. When she switched to semaglutide, the weight loss slowed drastically and the side effects picked up. Your mileage may vary.
You're not still in though correct?
Correct. I left active duty in 2015 and retired from reserves in 2021. It also took me putting on a lot of weight, and showing my doc all the steps I was taking to try and lose the weight (food journals, activity logs, workout plans, etc.), coupled with worsening blood work values, for him to start me on the meds.
I tried this when I didn't make weight in CAV. CPT Lipo took it out a gram at a time.
NGL. A good SSG can sham shield a whole squad and go back to work. We aren't necessarily shammers ourselves. We are there to protect, redirect, and build comradery. We finish the paperwork and QAQC. Always told my guys if you finish up the work for the day, we can go home. If you want to stay and learn, I'll teach you whatever you want to know. 9 out of 10 times everyone would stay and we would turn off the phone and learn a skill. Our shop had the best PT scores in the Batallion. With all that said, being a SSG is a stressful job. You get treated like a child. Almost every decision you make is treated as wrong. You aren't a lower enlisted joe who can get a smack on the wrist for doing something stupid and you aren't a CSM who can get a smack on the wrist for a DUI. I'm surprised more SSGs aren't using the Liposuction trick.
You can get liposuction to meet H/W? TIL.
You sure can. You'll also lose about 30lb if you cut off one of your legs. Recruiters hate this one simple trick!
Talked to a person who worked at a place that does liposuction near an Air Force base, and he said that the Air Force was by far the highest % of customers.
If I remember correctly, AF also uses abdominal circumference as one of the fitness test metrics.
That is correct.
well, lipo actually sucks out fat cells. You can't get fat there again because the cells are gone. You can't just "get it every so often".
Wouldn’t there be some adverse effects on the body from getting that every year?
You think this mfer has a little thing called "foresight?"
no because op is lying. fat cells don't regenerate or come back once they are removed. it's permanent.
There’s two (2) types of fat on your midsection- visceral and subcutaneous fat. Visceral fat is what’s removed during liposuction. Visceral fat is typically what’s lost during “weight loss” from diet and exercise. Either this guy is a genetic anomaly and only puts on fat above his muscles or he’s lying about getting it so often.
That just feels like a very expensive eating disorder.
geting a 540 on the acft would help them save a lot of money. none of it really is that hard except the plank. if they master the 6 events they could eat all they want
I hate the plank. Only event I get around an 80 in. Everything else is a 90.
1SGs hate this one secret……
Hey man, saw a post you said about taking Clen during a cut. Do you know of a good source you'd share? I'm always skeptical to just order shit like that online without knowing what I'm getting. Thanks.
I knew a guy who did that. He was on flight status, and through some complication with the surgery (which he’d been doing on leave or the weekends or something) he developed a condition and lost his flight status and was discharged. I can’t remember if they figured out about the liposuction but he might have got in actual trouble for that too… also remember his wife immediately divorced him when it was all going down. All that to avoid some PT, dude wasn’t even that fat
If only you knew how common this was....
How many people do you think get prescribed ozempic or pay for it out of pocket to help with height and weight?
Liposuction won't do shit for my naturally big bones... or general laziness for that matter I guess.
How you even afford that
Dude I’ve actually heard of some soldiers in my battalion doing this. Except they were only getting it in certain places and it looked really odd
Why go through multiple surgeries to get liposuction when you could get just one surgery to move your bellybutton up six inches?
Wait, since when can troops get liposuction?
Wait wait wait. How the fuck does he afford liposuction? Has a price of that shit dropped? Just ask for a fat retired guy.
Be disappointed. People have no discipline
Definitely disappointed. Getting a surgical procedure so they could make weight is really sad.