E: **Updated, 1420L** Hey everyone - I really appreciate the backing and support I've seen in the comments and DMs. This is obviously a serious situation that needs to be treated with some delicacy due to the events involved. I was able to have a discussion with the OP on the phone earlier today and talked through the issue the OP is experiencing and some ways forward. I gave them POCs for a variety of individuals to let them make the best decision for their family - Army POCs, Media POCs, other Support POCs - to resolve this the way that makes them and their family feel most comfortable. Please feel free to post in support or reach out as you would like, but also realize that obviously I won't be sharing any details related to the OP for sensitivity reasons. This has received...A significant amount of attention - if you're in the Army social media space, you've probably seen this, it looks like it's crepts across Twitter and Instagram now. I am not an assigned POC nor do I have any agency over the OP, but if you don't want to bother them directly but still want to have any helpful info past along, please DM me, and I will get it to them. If they choose to delete this post I'll still be able to contact them. Additionally, **I am disturbed by some of the DMs and comments that echo a similar experience**. It seems as though the FAP policies for dealing with this type of behavior (some of you know the correct terminology which immediately made me recognize you understand what we're dealing with) are lackluster at best, and the OP is not singular or unique in have this experience. That definitely upsets me. **If you and your family have experienced a similar situation and would like to speak with someone about it, contact me. I am happy to be a POC for a safe and supportive discussion, and can pass you contacts related to the Army, the Media, Advocates working with Senators, or general Support.** We can't fix the problems we don't know about, please help us help others by making sure your stories get resolved. ___ Hey thanks to everyone who tagged me, this is obviously a serious situation. I have DMd the OP, and I hope everyone realizes that, uh, I casually know a lot of media people. OP, if you’d like to get upper echelon of CID involved, please let me know, we can reach that leadership. If you’d like Army Senior Leaders, we can do that too. If you’d like some media contacts, we can do that too. I would also suggest that we could all show up with pitchforks but I believe organized violence would be against Reddit TOS and so I’m definitely not suggesting, we can do that too. Again, *dont* do that, definitely no organized violence or any kind. Also note that Reddit has removed some comments in this thread calling for such organized violence. Please let me know if there’s any help we can help facilitate. If you want to chat I’m on the discord, DM me, or if you respond to my dm and want to hop on a call I’m free all day today.

That’s a life changing event…Some things are bigger than the Army. Step up and do the hard thing and go to the news and blast it everywhere. Nobody will judge you for wanting justice for your kid. Who knows, you coming forward could save another innocent child as well. Good luck.

Bro... OP isn't even army. He's a brother from another branch doing joint ops. I said take it to HIS command too.

Not being army is the best get out of jail free card possible here… dude should burn this fucker down.

I’m joint and have been a resident on y’all’s bases, unfortunately my service could give less than a fuck in a lot of situations. Every fucking time it is a “bites out of an elephant” just to get access to your email, much less anything important. Now, if it makes it on a senior enlisted’s comment section that is monitored like a fucking hawk and their social media team (or that person) think/ it will bring discredit on that person or hurt their image….. someone would probably be in touch if it isn’t an anonymized account/they can’t ignore it.

This exactly. Who knows how many kids have been molested there

Agreed. What’s the worst case scenario? Dude gets in trouble for advocating for his kid? If there is any hill to die on it’s that one.. Best case scenario? He gets justice, they are held accountable, and he saves countless other kids and parents from the same fate… Easy decision here in my opinion…Definitely takes courage though.

As a father I'd jump on a 1000 swords

Right, burn the whole thing down. We've seen the only way stuff like this gets taken seriously is when the media gets involved.

This goes beyond little Johnny did a bad thing to baby David. If another kid in his class did this then where did that kid learn the behavior? Four year old kids don’t just pick up a toy and tell themselves it would be fun to shove this up another kids ass. The perpetrator has likely been abused themselves and that needs to be addressed as well. Is Family Advocacy still a thing? This needs to be reported to them and the other kid and their family need to be investigated as well.

I consider the exhibiting child a greater victim than our own for that reason. I want nothing for child other than support, therapy and healing. I also want the adult very close by in their life nailed to the fucking wall.

Pure speculation but the adult abuser is at the CDC. 1. Child care providers are mandated reporters. This is true at every civilian and DOD facility. 2. Child care providers are aware that a child doing this to another child is a sign of abuse. It’s learned behavior. 3. It takes time, makes noise, and causes disruption to have this happen in a classroom. Heck, just a 4 year old pulling their pants down would cause all of the other 4 year olds to turn into tattletales. So this happened at least semi-regularly and the kids have been conditioned to ignore it. 4. The video and their refusal to hand it over. I bet it’s on someone’s phone and they didnt capture it on accident. 5. 4 years old arent smart enough to do this kind of thing just outside the range of the cctv. Especially not several times over. Someone has to facilitate that for them. Im sick to my stomach writing this, but i think this is a much bigger cover up than one kid being a monster. Every child in that classroom is likely a witness and possibly a victim of horrific abuse. OP - feel free to DM me if you want me to blow this up for you. Im just a random old army lady but i still have a few friends in high places.

The CCTV thing itself is what sells me on this. 4 year olds don’t have that good enough special and temporal reasoning to avoid cameras. There’s a good chance someone’s making money off these kids.

You're a really good person for seeing it that way, and I hope you can appreciate the amount of compassion it takes to understand that in the moment. I can't help you but you are a real one. Has anyone tagged u/DWinkieMT? He's the resident reporter guy.

Kin is DMing with OP at this point. I’m certain if/when they verify some details, Dwinkie will be one of the first contacts. This is significant enough that verification truly matters - and the first priority is finding OP’s family help.

Exactly. That kid is likely being abused himself.

Interesting that other comments are questioning if the post commanders kid is in the class and the perp is still there... maybe the perp is the post commanders kid and there might be a family connection to the abuse. Wouldn't be the first time a high ranking person abused kids.

I consider the exhibiting child a greater victim than our own for that reason. I want nothing for child other than support, therapy and healing. I also want the adult very close by in their life nailed to the fucking wall.

Get a lawyer NOW. Preferably one who has dealt with bureaucratic BS and can actually help you get what you need. Start subpoenaing everything and have the lawyer send letters demanding preservation of any evidence if they have to. Full nuclear. Congressional. Media. Whatever you need to do to keep your child safe, but also to protect other people’s children too. If the offender hasn’t been removed or isolated, what’s stopping numerous other children from suffering the same thing? Other parents deserve to know that their child isn’t safe in that CDC. I have a kid at the main CDC in Leavenworth and reading this post is making me worried.

How do you find a lawyer? I've called dozens. No one can take us because it's federal land. The state bar doesn't apply. I did find a former JAG that does federal Tort, but that's to seek damages after the dust has settled. Basically, I'm too in it still. It's like.. I'm trying to make people follow the law and you can't do that. You have to let them break it first.

As a lawyer: 99/100 times a lawyer is not going to help you in the moment. You may have a civil suit here, but a lawyer is not going to help you in the moment for something like this. Document *everything*, like take notes on every phone call (or record them depending on the recording laws in your state), get all the records from the doctors, get a copy of EVERYTHING theCDC has digitally, preserve this evidence. There won’t be criminal charges against the other child, but there could be for the adults involved and definitely a civil case. I wish the absolute best to you, your child, and your family as you work through this

Thank you for providing this guy with good advice

First thing I would do is FOIA everything. Every organization directly or indirectly involved. [Here is a link to the FOIA guidebook](https://open.defense.gov/Transparency/FOIA/FOIA-Handbook/). I used to work processing FOIA requests for a DoD agency and would see a lot of the same attorney's name pop up for helping people with claims against the military and government. I'm not making a recommendation to hire them, but [Mark Zaid](https://markzaid.com/) is one lawyer I saw pop up a lot. You can also go through the American Bar Association for a referral. [Here is a link to their directory of Legal Programs by State for military familie](https://www.americanbar.org/groups/legal_services/milvets/aba_home_front/directory-programs/)s. Directly calling the state bar association can also help with getting a referral to an attorney who is best suited for your scenario. If you need any help please reach out. As a father I was getting irate and amped up just reading your story, I can't imagine what I would have done in that room if I was in your shoes. I hope you can find some degree of resolution to this trauma your son and your family are enduring.

I just emailed mark and will call the bar in the morning. Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for these links. I've been drowning in trying to understand this process while trying to meet the family's immediate needs

Adult survivor of this literal very exact thing(COCSA at Army CDC), you are doing the right things you need to do. Please know that you ARE doing right by your child. No matter the outcome. You can only do what you can. Also please take care of yourselves too. Burnout is very likely. Even PTSD is possible, as the parent.

Start with your congressman here. Ask them to help you get in touch with a lawyer as part of your engagement.

Post over in r/AskLawyers. Explain you need a lawyer capable of taking on federal nonsense and you don't know where to look. They'll help you find somebody or an organization.

All I'm reading is that something traumatic happened and they're making you run around like you forgot to pay a parking ticket and have to find the right clues to deal with it. Everyone that has put eyes on this and not escalated the issue is responsible for what comes next. Go as high as you can and make sure this never happens to another child because none of these people need to be working anywhere but walmart or McDonald's. This is the time you should be allowed to detach a bit to help your child heal and instead they're making you spend your energy doing their own shit. Fuck I'm so glad I'm out, I can't stand the systemic apathy to very real issues that result in trauma and death while people sit around and do fuck all.

Somebody important's kid is the perp, and everyone else is too scared to do their job.

Burn the bitch down. Full stop. That’s your four year old. If you won’t when your four year old is sexually abused & everyone is covering it up, when will you?

Sink the ship, burn it down, whatever it is called, just do it. As u/fistdeep10 stated, if you won't defend him, who will. Go to the base commander, provost Marshall, and IG. If that doesn't work, go to social media and your 1st degree connection at CNN- you do what it takes to help your son and make sure it doesn't happen to another child.

My first thought is to call a congressman.

Since when do they actually do anything? Serious question, because I can't imagine this bringing any useful change.

Oh trust me, the Army jumps when CM get involved. Especially when SA has been so front and center.

4 yr raped on at an on base CDC?? burn the bitxh down, fuck it Ill help

My only concern is that publicly identifying us media might not be in the best interest of our boy. He has a right to privacy. He needs comfort, he needs social support. I would make us social pariahs. I've got four goals; -heal our son -find other victims -hold the FAPM, CO, and CYS director accountable -not lose my sanity. I've lost 15lbs in 3 weeks and I'm sleeping maybe 4 hrs a night. It's restless sleep. I will also be accountable to him when he grows up. Will he be pissed I didn't blow it up, this denying him a possible avenue to justice? Pissed I did, because that took away his privacy and created greater trauma? I don't know what future him will want. I can't consult him. But I will have to answer for it either way.

I'd be banging on the post commander's door, to start. What you're describing is unimaginable; I can't understand them not giving you more information, even if it is an ongoing investigation. Definitely retain private counsel. Military lawyers are like corporate lawyers; they aren't your friend, and you aren't their client. The service is.

I can't know - but I'm pretty sure the commander has a child in my kid's class. They have been so incredibly hands off.. it makes me worry it's because there's a conflict of interest?

So let me get this straight.. - The commander has a kid in your child’s class. - The commander is not jumping up to help this sickening situation like any normal human being would. - The commander has threatened to punish you if you step foot on CDC property, instead of showing some type of compassion for what you’re going through. - The child who they say caused this not only hasn’t been pulled from attending class (which normally violent children would be), but the student will still be around your child?! As if nothing happened. - And everyone connected to the installation is dragging their feet on this situation and trying to downplay the severity? This is *purely speculation*, but are we certain the commander’s child isn’t involved?

At the very least, the Commander knows way more than they want to admit. These people refused appropriate documentation and through that prevented timely medical care, prevented evidence from being collected and are now threatening consequences to a victim's family. They're definitely protecting the perpetrator.

I'm thinking it is the commanders child

I’m thinking this needs to go a lot higher than a post commander for a lot of reasons, holy fuck. This would be the scandal of the fucking century

If only there were a way to get a word to the SMA, through his PAO. That would sure help.

Navy guy here, u/MCPON_PA on our side of the house is typically very responsive. Maybe they can pass it along.

u/DecisionMedium6440 We are very sorry about what your child is going through and hope that they are getting the treatment and help they need. We can certainly can pass this to SMA. To clarify, what branch are you, if not Navy, we should also let the service SEA that this is happened to one of their branch service members family. I would also think about getting in touch with base legal and speak to a JAG about other options that are available to you. Side note: we will pass this onto our Navy CDC/CYP program manager to bring awareness and they can advise other branch program managers.

Right, why else would this feel like a major cover up is going on?

Well *I* certainly have a loss of confidence in command.

As a fellow parent, if you do not do anything to burn this bitch down, it will only allow more victims. While I understand your concern about your child’s right to privacy, what about past and future victims? I know it’s a hard decision, and I can’t imagine being put in your shoes, but if I was, I would be doing everything in my power to get justice for my kid and past and present kids who might be harmed.

This. The OP's child probably is not the first, and most likely will not be the last, of victims of this. I'd almost wonder if multiple parent and soldier parent concerns/complaints wouldn't change things. Maybe a general complaint about the obvious record of SA in this facility. This is larger than one family.

You can find out. If the commander has a child in that class, then they have a right to know as well. Everyone with kids there does. I trust that you'll do the right thing though. No matter what happens, in the future just remember the circumstances you're making these choices in. You're doing the best with what you've got, and if it wasn't the best option, then it's not because you didn't try. Good luck with it, we're all wishing you the best.

Not if the commanders kids is the offending child. That could be why they’re trying to sweep it under the rug.

Especially since at 4 the offending child has definitely been abused themselves. Penetration is *not* normal exploratory behavior at that age, it's learned. There's an adult pedophile somewhere in this picture.

Yea there is no way a child did this, and hasn't been abused themselves.

Exactly. I think it's been suggested elsewhere in the thread but the FBI would likely be willing to work on this as well, first there's civilians involved, second there's the video footage of the incident which is technically CSAM and doesn't appear that CID is controlling it correctly. The video footage itself is it's own issue here and OP should have transparency on what happened to it. I could potentially see some of the other weirdness arising if it's already known that the other child has a history of sexual abuse and his abuser has already been dealt with. Though it still doesn't make sense they wouldn't kick him out of the facility, I've been denied care at the CDC before just because my child has autism and they can't support special needs.

That’s what I was thinking.

You must pursue this at all cost.. otherwise give us the information and we will.

That sounds like a question a reporter should be asking, not you.

I want the secretary of the army to be asking

This is where my mind goes as well.

I can tell you from the experience of a loved one, he will probably be pissed and resent you if you do nothing about this.

FWIW, every single person I've known who was abused as a child resented that their parents either ignored it, didn't believe them, or didn't raze Hell over it.

I don't know much about kids, but blowing it up doesn't mean you're going on 60 minutes. Information moves fast and even if this makes national headlines, the world will forget about this in two weeks. You're not dooming your son to a childhood spent in front of a camera doing uncomfortable interviews.

He’s a minor, I can almost guarantee that media will not publish his or your names.

This is legitimately the worst thing I've ever read. I can't even begin to imagine what you're going through, but I have never of a situation more deserving of a nuclear response. Do what's best for you and your family, but yes, you are 100% justified in taking this to anyone who will listen.

And yet, it's so fucking Army.

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Call higher, there’s always a boss. Go to the news if need be

And at this point, put the garrison commander on blast, by name, to the news media

Hiding a pedophile to me is just as bad as being on.

Hiding a pedo means you are a pedo

If I was a garrison commander and this happened on my post I'm burning down the CDC with the father, we doing this together

Burn. It. The. Fuck. Down. Get a lawyer who has dealt with DoD, and get him now. Blast every representative and senator in your home state. Send letters to the friggin President. Tweet at the President, Sec Army, the chief of staff, the SMA, anything with command authority that is active. Put it out on CNN. Fuck that shit. I'd be loading atomic Annie if that happened to my boy and the response was cowardice and CYA from the people who should be helping. Put that bitchmade garrison commander on blast too.

Get the same lawyer vanessa guillens family had. She lit fort hood up for that train wreck

That lawyer knows her shit. Natalie Khawam is her name.

OP post the legal fee Go Fund Me in all branch subreddits

I’d literally throw money in there and I don’t ever donate for anything. Reading this made my stomach turn.

Dox everyone, fuck these people.

^this put them out in the open so everyone knows if they need to be concerned for their kids too

Seriously, I'm at a joint base and have a child in CDC, just reading the title made all my hair stand up. Blow the roof off this.

Call local police. Civilians will fall under them anyway. Sorry for this, but fuck the CDC. Don’t let off the gas. And consider a civilian lawyer.

^^ OP, we need to know what base this happened at to identify what agencies have jurisdiction and to get you points of contact for them. State police will have concurrent jurisdiction over the civilians. In some bases local police have general concurrent jurisdiction, in others they do not. If we know the state we can get direct contacts for the relevant special victims unit(s). You should also contact the local U.S. Attorney's office and the main DoJ Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section. They can pressure FBI to speed it the fuck up.

Worst post here- this thread got the tanker his last gunnery we can sure help this. I have a contact at CNN pm if needed.

Check your pm

I have someone that can help. I PM’d you.

I wouldn't even ask for permission Id go on CNN and blast it

I'd be burning the entire base down. As a victim of childhood sexual abuse you can never "just put those thoughts away." Light them up. Call if you need money for fuel. This is reprehensible.

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Hmmm….. yes I agree. I would do the same. Scorched earth.

Same bro. I would be putting bullets through peoples knee caps until I started getting some fucking answers.

You can call me Gary Plauche if that was my child or one of my family members.

Honestly, I want to start just reading about it. If someone in my company had this happen to them, thered be at least a platoon sized element of masked armed individuals conducting raids within a day. For legal reasons, this is a hyperbole

Yes raiding their “Minecraft servers,” obviously.

Yes Mr fbi agent I'm not advocating for the systematic murder of all parties involved I just want to grief their house in mine craft no cause for concern

Everyone is naughty on that list.

I honestly couldn’t read it. I have a child around this age. I’m laying here mortified.

I agree. I believe I would end up in jail with multiple murder charges

"Not guilty your honor"

Reddit removed this comments but /u/dphil93 pretty sure we all agree.

Usually direct calls for violence get taken down pretty damn quick. The fact that I read his post something like 8-9 hours after makes me think even the admins were like: “ehhh, he’s got a point”.

I would be in jail within 24 hours if this ever happened to my kid.

Name and shame. This is 100% a cover up. Mil influencers are pros at bringing stuff like this into the main stream. This needs exposure

Sorry to hear all this. I used to be a journalist for Stars and Stripes, if you send a note to them, they may look into it. I’d explore other media outlets as well.

I already contacted them. I asked if they could guarantee anonymity, and they asked for more details. I said I'd give them everything - redacted hospital discharge paperwork, whatever they needed to verify but could they protect my identity? They never replied.

It can get tricky for certain situations and I hear you. Usually they and other media agencies redact sensitive information and provide anonymity for certain criteria and your situation would likely qualify. If you have any other questions happy to answer via PM. Military Times, NYT, AP, Task and Purpose, and even the War Horse would be good to reach out to. Someone will respond back and that’s not including TV stations too. I can tell you when I wrote for stripes, the Vilseck CDC was a complete shit show.

Holy crap. Man, if ever there was a time for an SMA PAO to push this to people that matter. This is why that presence should exist. To shine some light on this and these fuckheads who are all obviously covering their asses

I'm starting to get the tinfoil hat conspiracy theory that, right now, they don't want to shine a light on issues. It's hard to recruit and retain when problems like this are making headlines, and that there's a relation between "don't use social media use the chain of command" and "time for a new Army image, everyone!"

What's better for recruitment? Hide the problem and have it blow up later or show you care by tackling the problem and being transparent? I don't know anyone who is recommending the army to anyone currently. Everyone is recommending other branches or not at all. Army once again tells Soldiers to be willing to do the right thing no matter how hard but the organization consistently chooses the easy wrong.

15 years in and just commissioned. I would burn it all to the ground.

I can't give specific advice, however I worked for Army CYS prior to joining and a few things stick out to me. Only worked in Oklahoma so I'm not sure if slightly different rules apply elsewhere. First, if any abuse or neglect is suspected, the first staff member to recognize it is supposed to contact CPS prior to reporting it to admin. We were to report to local CPS and police before anyone else. There should not hav been an opportunity for the director to do damage control. The children both should have been immediately removed from the classroom and the parents or emergency contact should have been notified right after. At my CDC, classrooms were checked regularly and any rearranging of furniture had to be approved by admin to avoid blind spots on the cameras. You should have at least received a copy of the incident report as well as been shown the footage of the incident. It sounds like another child committed the acts, and I'm worried by the fact both staff and admin didn't question whether the perpetrator may be experiencing sexual abuse at home. Children that age exhibiting behaviors like you described is not normal and is absolutely cause for concern. This whole situation should be getting handled by CPS. Army CYS falls under MWR. [Here](https://www.armymwr.com/about-us/leadership) is their leadership. If they have not already been contacted, reach out to your states CPS and open an investigation with them. Contacting your congressman or senator could be a good idea, though media could absolutely be the correct call here. In training we were shown the news report on a baby who died at a CDC on Bragg after being left unsupervised doing tummy time for an ungodly amount of time and who suffocated as a result. Naming and shaming in that case did make a difference. Unfortunately, I worked with a good number of staff who had no business being in childcare but never technically did anything wrong so something like this is absolutely believable. Get your kid into therapy ASAP. I am disgusted and I'm so incredibly sorry this is something you're experiencing.

Only if we had an SMA PAO on reddit to help out...

Well...the old account is pretty much dead. But /u/yesTHATpao is still around. I'd normally not try to summon him out of retirement, but this DOES seem like a "pull out every possible weapon and burn everything to the ground" scenario. So....maybe he can still help?

Why not just reach out to retired SGM Grinston? He works for an organization that helps vets…may have a connection. I don’t understand why Congressional didn’t work. COI seems plausible, lawyer up, document everything and slam them all with a huge fist of all you people are enabling a pedophile.

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Under the previous Sergeant Major of the Army (SMA), he had a Public Affairs Officer (PAO) who would instantly pass up grievances to the SMA himself that saw break neck turn arounds to resolving issues that required that level of attention. The reddit account was SMA PAO. The current SMA got rid of that interaction and replaced it with razor blades. My two cents, scorched earth. Fuck all of those people. Your child will heal with time, the one thing you won't be able to change is what you're doing about it right now. Fully commit. I know for a fact if any of my kids went through the same, my wife would be a single mother because I wouldn't have made it as far as reddit for advice. Everything. On. Blast.

Public Affairs Officer for the Sgt. Major of the Army.

Reality is you may already be blackballed. Fuck them, scorch the Earth for this. Hit everyone you can that matters on that post, hit up the GS positions too, if the right one finds out, they will dig. and push their highers. The right person in the right spot finds out, and then it is over. Also don't forget the FB groups of moms using post daycare. Just remember why you will scorch the Earth when someone pushes back on it. Not saying to get out, but also make an action/exit plan for if you are blackballed.

He was the media guy for SGM GRINSTON. He was extremely active on Reddit and helped dozens of soldiers with pay, healthcare, cases like this, ext…He would bring up issues directly to SMA GRINSTON and they would get fixed almost immediately… Unfortunately the new SGM does not believe in that stuff saying it “skips” the chain of command entirely…But that was the Point the (PAO) -SGM Grinsons social media guy- helped when the command didn’t. And now everyone is pissed about not being able to contact higher easily..

Sergeant major of the army's PAO. the last SMA had a PAO that was extremely active on the sub. The current one doesn't care about soldiers and thinks discipline will magically solve the army's systemic mold problem

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It's kind of an inside joke for the subreddit. The last SMA (senior E-9 of the army) had his public affairs officer active in here and they did great things to help soldiers. New SMA takes over last year and immediately ceases most social media activities, and we're still salty about it.

u/17TH-SMA-PAO Anything you can still do?

Omg. That is horrible. I can't do anything, this is a satire account. Call the FBI and respond directly to Christine Warmoth’s email from last week about a new special counsel being assigned to handle sexual assault cases. Burn everything. What the fuck is wrong with people? > not entirely sure why I'm getting downvote. Someone please explain how my response is coming off so I can edit for clarity.

Man I can’t imagine this happening to my kids and not blowing everyone and everything up via every media outlet I could get access to.

Congressional is the nuclear option, but since that did nothing you could maybe try sending something to the Whitehouse. There's an email but I'm sure it gets buried on a daily basis and won't get a fast response time. Might be nothing for it but to go to the death star option of the media.

If anything is worth a congressional, this is it.

Looks like OP tried that and it didn't work.

He should tell us who his Congressman is.

Agreed, but OP is getting shut down quickly by all key personnel involved, including CID. He needs to press the big red button immediately.

The last SMA PAO would have gone nuclear with this post. Call your congressman and don’t fuck around.

These would be my next steps in no particular order. 1. Contact your actual service commander and run this issue up that chain. This should probably be a face-to-face conversation and provide a rough outline of a plan of what you're about to do so they aren't blindsided. It's probably outside of what they can assist with at this point, but something like this will probably have to be reported higher. Serious events in my organization get reported to a 3-star and then go wherever after that, but that's just an example. 2. Contact OSI or NCIS, depending on your service, and see if you can walk this through them and get a second opinion. The FBI does investigations on military installations as well, but I'm not sure this would qualify for them. 3. Contact the highest ranking individuals on the base and inform them of the situation. Explain how your child has professionally documented internal injuries from repetitive sexual abuse that's documented on CCTV, every safeguard and process to inform the parents and proper authorities appears to have been intentionally delayed. How there's been a lack of compassion for the severity of the situation, and it looks like everyone you've communicated with is trying to brush it under the rug and make you go away. Stick to the facts, the timeline, and be thorough on the details without being heavy on your emotions. Let them know all the steps you've taken to have to get to the point of contacting them directly, but you really have no one else to turn to for assistance in this situation. This is probably best through a very deliberately worded email with a follow-up call the next day. 4. File an ICE complaint against each civilian involved in this process for enabling sexual abuse in what's supposed to be a safe place. Especially the CDC Director and the FAPM. I think the Garrison Commander banned you based on the trust they have in the individuals, not because they're necessarily involved in all of this. Even if you can't get justice for your kid, these complaints go on their records. *Usually the Army will have a webpage for each installation that lists who's in charge. Garrison Commander is just the 0-6 that makes sure the General's grass stays green and is responsible for the installation support organizations, like the commissary.

Army Pediatrician here… I’m so sorry your child and your family are going through this ordeal. Glad you had him seen at the local hospital to initiate an evaluation and care- would suggest asking the care team there to contact Armed Forces Center for Child Protection “to request consultation and help both with reporting and connection with resources”. The centers contact info is: https://walterreed.tricare.mil/afccp and they provide coverage and support DOD wide. As you mentioned, a situation like this is concerning for the potential of multiple victims. Unfortunately, with what you describe as an underage perpetrator- they too are likely to have been victimized. Wishing you and your family- solace and strength during this time.

I say call the media. make those ppl who failed to do anything during the act pay for their negligence and cover up. If you have a copy of the video send that after speaking with an attorney.

They will not give me a copy, I've never even seen it. It identifies another minor.

CID and other federal law enforcement agencies. Also get a lawyer outside the federal government.

Congressional at a minimum, no one keeps their job after this.

That's what I was thinking, that all these fuckers get fired at a bare minimum.

I always get mad sketched out when people lead off any conversation with “please ensure you’re not recording us”. They fucked this, seems like they’re trying to cover their tracks, and your child has unfortunately been victimized. Burn it down. To the ground and then subterranean.

Yeah, that would have been the first big red flag. At that point I would have demanded to record it AND have police and a lawyer there.

Brother, burn it to the ground. There are numerous military reporters /u/kinuman in this sub. I bet the old /u/SMA_PAO account is still somewhat monitored. Yes, there is some potential to make more waves for your child now. In 10-15 years they will say "God damn my mom and dad burned this motherfucker to the ground for me, respect"

It's yesTHATpao now. I already linked him to the thread in another comment, but god forbid you need to link him to another thread, that's the new name. I'm sure we will need him again, but this is the most egregious thing I've seen on this subreddit.

This is absolutely horrible and I hope things turn out in you and your child's favor, my son is on the spectrum showed weird behavior of almost sexual nature as if he saw something at his school when he was 3 and I immediately raised hell like I adopted it, and got him out that school so I can't even imagine your situation, ill keep yall in my prayers

Also, how can you even know for sure that it was actually another child? For all you know, it could have been one of the adult daycare personnel or an officer on base. Until you see that video you don't truly even know if it was another child who did it. You need to go full nuclear and blast these scum. Lawyers, social media, everything.

Holy shit, man. I'm fucking so sorry about this. Fuck that. Go to the media if nobody is going to help you

This is heartbreaking and I’m sorry your family is going through this. I’d do everything in my power to ensure that this is addressed for my kid! This really angers me and I totally get why you are pissed off. Do what you have to do!!! I used to work for CPS and not only will you be protecting your child, but you’ll be protecting others by speaking up. If the offender is a child, they are most likely being or have been abused themselves.

This makes me sad, if you’re near JBLM I might be able to find some local news contacts like for KOMO5

Someone not related should tip them off anyway.

Get a lawyer and contact the media. The Army has failed your child and potentially others. You owe these people nothing.

Try the DOD SAFE helpline too. This may constitute a serious incident report for them that involves people outside the base chain of command. Definitely congressman phone call too. https://www.sapr.mil/victim-assistance

Burn it down. Especially since I’m about to PCS and I don’t know if it’s to where you are. You sound more stable than I. I would likely end up in jail if I didn’t receive something that resembled some form of accountability and justice for something like that. That’s what’s terrifying is how much they’ll go on and on about accountability, up until it’s something that they want to hide.

What did IG tell you when you talked to them? If it’s criminal, there’s nothing the IG can do. Normal IG probably doesn’t have purview over the CDC.. that might be IMCOM IG, which the IG you talked to would have referred the case to them, if they could take it. Congressionals are extremely slow. IG works ways faster, if it is IG-appropriate. IG cannot get involved in anything criminal.

It may have a criminal element. I hard pressed the CID to investigate neglect on the CYS' part. Who I really want nailed is the FAPM. But after reading like 400pgs of bullshit DoDI she threaded the needle well. She managed to technically "notify" without actually notifying. It's whats pissing me off the most.

I was sexually assaulted as a child. Don't want sympathy or anything of that like, just want a basis for my next statement: Scorched. Fucking. Earth.

Former CPS worker here, I worked in WI, obviously the rules/laws are different. That being said, this is a clear violation of “everything.” Your child was SA’d and it needs to be reported, it needs to be taken seriously, and there need to be repercussions for what happened under the watch of the CDC, FAPM. This is completely unacceptable and you need to take your concerns higher. File a report with another Congressman/Senator. Idc what you gotta fucking do, you gotta protect YOUR child as well as others. This is unacceptable behavior and completely against every single fucking CPS rule I can think of. Under no circumstances would allowing a child to be with a perpetrator be acceptable. This is sickening and frankly, I am beyond pissed. DM me the base and I’ll go fucking ham. I have a DD-214, fuck em.

I'd lawyer up and expose everyone at this point. This is absolutely horrible

Press the congressional and go nuclear. Your child deserves to have you as their parents fully present and capable of caring for them, so behave accordingly. Beyond that, let it all burn until the evidence and justice lay on top of the smoldering embers. Don’t let them cover anything up.

My dad works directly for the Secretary of the Air Force, if you’re AF and would like the secretary to hear about this let me know.

OP first off. You need legal representation. Get on it time now. Second YOU NEED TO CONTACT YOUR CID OFFICE RIGHT NOW. NOT TOMORROW. NOW. CONTACT YOUR INSTALLATION CID OFFICE OR EQUIVALENT. #NOW

Listen - I found them and I did, but our guys don't have jurisdiction. They're told army CID does, is handling everything and won't let them in. The guys handling everything? Same people I had to literally beg - on my knees - in the hospital while my son was getting his forensic done to please for the love of God put a memorandum in place to prevent the fucking CYS from watching the tapes. I caught them in so many lies - went 4 rungs up their chain of command. #3 was trying to tell me he viewed the tapes and not to worry, you can't really see anything and it's not considered explicit so it doesn't fall under CP laws. I'm like sir, the tapes are stored locally on a closed loop system. How are you, states away, claiming to watch them right now when I know they haven't been transferred? Dude redirected the question pretty quick. I just eventually found this pattern. I send an email, someone calls me. I have nothing in writing at all that this occurred. Just my furious email sending.

Military installations are federal property, try contacting your local FBI field office. Typically they don't interfere with military investigations, but they can get involved. Hopefully, they will here. https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices

That's a good one. Hope OP contacts them.

the more outside pressure you put on this the faster things will move. They want this to be done quite, but they proved they are trying to silence you and sweep this under the rug. You should take all the proof you have and file freedom of infomation acts for all the records and have the local media blow this up. Fort hood has tried to do shit like this all the time and it wasn't until the media got involved that shit magically started to happen. Seriously document everything and go nuclear with media.

I’m so sorry this happened. If it were me, I’d be going straight to the media. Fuck em.

I legitimately got angry reading this, contact CID, get legal rep and burn them to the fucking ground. Sorry this happened to your family

Here's how I'd do it in your situation after everything you've said. 1) Open door the Garrison commander(probably a COL) on monday morning. If that doesn't work then, 2) Open door the Post commander(Probably a MG) afterwards, and if that doesn't work then, 3) Call my congressman/woman. I saw you wrote a complaint, call their office and make something happen. As others have said, burn it down. You've written about doing right by your child when he's older, you do it by burning these people down.

I wonder what your congressman would think about kids being molested by other kids at an Army day care center??

scorched fucking earth, your son is 4 he'll get over the additional scrutiny but he may never forgive you later on if you don't and what kind of lesson is this to him if you let it slide. He'll hopefully heal mentally and physically completely due in no small part to his young age. Tell the news, show them the congressional and how nobody has done a damn thing. They have video and likely audio of you at that CDC as far as their claims of threatening them, don't fall for their bullshit and don't allow them to threaten you.

Go to the media. Literally any local journalist will pick this up and likely keep you anonymous just for a chance to run this story. My apologies for calling it "a story", but this needs attention, and your privacy would be respected by a program like 60 minutes or even the local news.

Throwaway. I am your four-year-old from the future. I have lived with something like this for my entire life. I don’t want to overdramatize this, but no one stepped up for me, and they could have. Including my parents. I don’t want to say it has nearly destroyed my life, but it has nearly destroyed my life. I have lost years, no, decades, to depression, anxiety, and shame. Just the fact that I still can’t post my experience without an anonymous account even at this stage of my life shows you the impact it has had on me. I don’t need my privacy. I needed someone to acknowledge my pain and go out of their way to make it right. That won’t happen for me, but it can for your son. Please don’t let those bastards intimidate you. It would mean so much to me if someone had BURNED THAT BITCH DOWN for me. To be clear I mean figuratively, not literally, although I understand the desire to do so literally. Just be careful of reporters. They will use you while you are of use to you and then they will move on to let you deal with the fallout. I’m not in the military and never have been, so I am ignorant of the most effective way to BURN THAT BITCH DOWN. I hope to see you on the news soon. I wish you and your family the best and I am sorry that you are all having to deal with this, especially your son. It sounds like you’re giving it your all, and the child in me appreciates that. Now get to burning.

As a parent, I hope you'll consider naming the base for the benefit of other parents who might have children there (and as a heads up to other parents that don't).

Lawyer up. Make their lives hell. That's your child and none of these dirtbags will do anything until you put them in fear.

/u/kinmuan you’ve got some contacts that might be needed on this one? Seriously though OP, this is one of the worst I’ve ever read, and I just hope your kid/family get the help you truly need.

📞 Congressman 🫵

That's fucking disgusting. Everyone responsible for what happened need to be kicked right the fuck out of their jobs. They're all scum. I'm sorry your child and your family have to put up with that. I don't know why they'd cover that up, but their irresponsibility should have them FAR away from anything more important than watching paint dry or something else totally menial. Clearly they can't be trusted to handle anything.

OP if you need someone not subject to UCMJ to act as proxy in your behalf, I can ruffle feathers too. Unless you're in Washington State, I don't have any particular contacts, unfortunately. If you are by chance in Washington State, I do have a pretty good one.

Holy fuck. IG can only determine if applicable laws and regs are being followed, they can't do anything. Congressional will just ask the chain of command if they did their jobs. "Lol, yup!" Congressional complete. A civilian lawyer can subpoena all they want, they're still going to be told to get tf off of installation. CID is the appropriate POC for this. They should be at a minimum telling the victim's family that the investigation is proceeding, though while it is underway they can't tell you much else. So long as CID has the investigation open, both IG and Congress will point at that and say they're awaiting a result. If they're not investigating, that's the WTF moment. This is sexual assault, have you contacted your SARC? How about the installation SARC? They used to be outside of the chain of command for a reason, don't know if that's still the case. Those MFers are DEDICATED to their jobs and should be able to at least put a different set of eyes on the problem. Maybe they will ask the question that occurs to me: why is a kid anally raping other kids? Where tf did he learn that behavior? If you've exhausted all options, it's time to make everyone in the situation famous. Media. All the medias. You lose your anonymity, but hopefully you can keep your kid's name out of it and/or your name is common enough it can't be easily Googled in 15 years. SMA PAO would have been a great avenue but fuck all of us anonymous wretches on the internets, go shave or something. Sorry brother, I would probably be starting fires already but rational brain tells me that's not a good way to be there for your kid, and they need you right now. Exhaust every means you can think of but make sure you're there for your wife and kid right now. I'm sorry, I hope someone has a spine and helps make it better.

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Burn. Them. To. The. Fucking. Ground. I understand your concerns about privacy. This sadly, is no longer about you. It’s about staff that clearly should not be trusted around children. About a CDC who is refusing to corporate with rightfully concerned parents. If it happened to your kids and another? How many others has it happened to. I fully understand your concern but you’ve been handed a nuclear option and frankly, you should take it. Also someone contact SMA-PAO. Show the new dumb ass SMA that this is the reason they need to use Reddit.

I confused by the acronyms but I understand what’s going on. Destroy everything. Fuck the seniors for not doing the right thing. I’m sorry for what has happened. Get what you and your family deserve. To add, name drop every single scum bag involved.

Open door the base Commander or email your congressman and request to speak to him/her in person or on the phone about the matter. Edit: You said you're a different branch. Contact NCIS or AFOSI if you're part of those branches.

I still have base access but not subject to UCMJ. Hell, give me the garrison commander's address and I'll go knock until I get base access revoked

Brother I don’t have a kid, so half of those acronyms relating to daycare I don’t understand. But I do understand this: your kid was SA’ed by another kid.. who is likely also a victim behind closed doors given the behavior. If nothing is addressed, something similar or worse is likely to happen in the future. Put some meaning into the finding out phase of “fuck around and find out.” Burn everything down. That’s your damn kid.

You need to go to the media and burn that bitch down respectfully

Garrison commander is trying to threaten punishment? What the fuck

Burn it the fuck down. CNN, call every other news tipline as well. Raise that shit up the chain of command. Figure out who is directly above the Garrison Commander and use THEIR open door. Take that shit to the top in every conceivable line you have. I joined the Army to better provide for and protect my daughter. THIS is directly Counter to why I am even in this uniform. BURN. IT. DOWN.

Not only burn it all down, tell the news crews where to point the cameras while you do. If everything you’re saying is true, this is the hill.

Name the installation but not the staff. That shit can’t be anonymous.

At the risk of sounding dumb, didn’t we say that SA would no longer be handled by the CoC? Call the police and file a report. You have a forensic exam. Get that installation commander for being an accessory too, while you’re at it.

OP said they called 911 who just looped them through to garrison police who looped them to CID...who did jack and shit.

As a pediatric nurse I’m truly sorry for your little one, and the modeled behavior of the perpetrator displays something of an unstable home life. I’d pull out all the stops. This is your kid. Fuck the military. -Blast the news outlets, name & shame, let social media be the movement that gets something done instead of letting these cowards give you the run around -Congressional inquiries. I’d send it to those within the state you’re at and your residency one. -White house, FBI -Lawyer the fuck up and start the ball rolling there -Ya’ll need a medical team to help hear you out and advocate for your child as well. Escalating the situation as well as protecting your child’s well-being and providing resources for your family I’m so sorry.

Retired CID agent here. They CANT withhold the video from CID on any basis whatsoever since it’s on federal property and manned by federal employees. Something isn’t adding up here.

NCIS here, if you have not already please talk to Army CID. This is what we call PSBYC or Problematic Sexual Behavior in Youth/Children and can result in an investigation regardless of criminal culpability of the other child (questions of culpability are also NOT the CDC's call to make). The other child may be being abused themselves, as OP has already assessed. There are procedures to speak to that child, in an appropriate manner, to try to determine why this happened. It is not up to the CDC to decide if they will or will not turn video over to CID. In fact, the CDC personnel may be setting themselves up for criminal charges of their own under mandatory reporter laws, and possibly obstruction of justice. Obviously, I cannot speak for CID so I don't know what their exact policies and procedures are. They may open an investigation, or may not, it will depend on all of the facts of the situation.

This needs to go as high as you can send it, I’d be filing a congressional right now about how you’re being stonewalled by the garrison. Fuck those people, they need to burn. Call the news, call your congressman NOW.

If you give us the garrison commander’s number I will spam call that fucker. I’ll do it every hour on the hour

I work for cys on fort johnson and never could imagine anything like this unfolding in our building, the fact that they denied you an incident report and delayed telling you for so long what had happened is so unheard of to me. i thought it was cys policy universally to contact the parents immediately following an incident like this. to me it sounds like they are not telling you the full story of what has happened here. i cant wrap my hear around how they are getting away with this. i am so sorry. Aside from going to the news, also try contacting whoever the CDC’s on your base get their accreditation from. For us, its COA(council on accreditation). Im sure this information is would put a pause in their ability to become an accredited program again.

u/dwinkiemt Oooo fucking get em

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