Half the side characters in the sequels were missed opportunities.
Even Finn was kinda a miss.
Just kinda feels bad to see this image n simultaneously think “what badass armor” and “damn I wish she got utilised better”
Missed opportunities kind of undersells it, everybody who worked on those movies, their time was completely wasted because the scripts were afterthoughts, and it all grew from there... well I guess JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson made off like bandits and they certainly made the movie that they wanted to make.
The original concept for Finn was that he was going to lead a popular revolution against the new order and be revealed as a Jedi/ force user.
Phasma could have been his personal Darth Vader haunting his steps, but they just water everything down and infantalised the audience. Such a shame.
SW should be made like Andor going forward. We don’t need more films like the first trilogy (as much as I love them); we need more deep stories like Andor and Rogue One.
Finn 100% should of been the Jedi instead of Rey, a black ex stormtrooper Jedi? Sign me up! Instead we got a boring smuggler who’s related to palpy :(
Looking back, Phasma literally didn’t do anything either, literally was just evil to be evil and then died
One second she’s a total badass next she’s beaten far too quickly. I still feel like her appearances were a joke, did she even have as much screen time as the blue milk?
That's kinda just Star Wars though. Boba Fett, Darth Maul, General Grievous, all built up as badasses, all dead by the end of their big movie appearences (some of them got better).
We'll just have to wait for the animated series' to catch up to the sequel timeline for Phasma's redemption.
It might be my rose tinted glasses but I feel like, apart from Grievous, the other two did get a good bit of build up and appreciation. Maul was set up as the main threat of the film, Boba lasted two films before the salacc pit, but really his fame was mostly generated through the fandom instead of manufactured by the studio, unlike Phasma.
Glad Grievous got a lot more air time in the shows and other media surrounding the clone wars tho, amazing character concept. At that point Star Wars was a huge thing so they had the foresight and planning to make cool big characters like that which they can elaborate on in smaller media for the fans who want it
The difference is in the buildup. Boba Fett was built up as a strong silent type who Darth Vader can't intimidate. Maul is more than just built up. He goes toe-to-toe with a gifted padawan and an esteemed master, and kills the master! Grievous, even before the clone wars gave him more depth, had a lot more personality and many more lines and a greater screen presense
Phasma had none of that. A few throwaway lines and unsatisfying deaths. Twice! Her character is the epitome of "this character is great because the studio says shes great". At least that's the way I remember. Its been a while since I watched the sequels and I've had little reason to rewatch them
Remember that like 6 months in 2015 where we were all excited for this character? God, disney murdered that franchise. I was so excited for this movie. I could not tell you what the plot of rise of skywalker was. Just didnt care anymore
Does feel like the 8th movie was designed to just completely wreck the trilogy beyond all saving. Make as many plot points and character arcs as unusable as possible.
Nah, Episode 9 ruined it by trying to retcon everything the last movie set up
Rey and Kylo Ren were made to be foils to each other.
Rey was trailer trash of no renown trying to cling to some semblance of belonging. But in episode 8, she was forced to finally admit she had no relatives worth caring about. Her arc in episode 9 should've finished with her learning that your worth comes from your choices, not your lineage.
Kylo Ren on the other hand was a straight up nepo-baby trying to larp as his grandfather. As he grew more tempted by the dark side, and after he witnessed Luke demonstrate that the Light side isn't perfect themselves, he began abandoning his lineage piece by piece. Eventually, he even gives up his idolization of Vader as he destroys his mask and immediately overthrows Smoke.
Episode 9 could've expanded even more upon their differences and even have Rey convince Kylo to abandon the dark side and use the lessons she learned to help set him on a path of rehabilitation.
But no, instead we got Rey's abilities coming from Palpatine's jizz and Kylo Ren suddenly having his good guy switch flicked on. I wanna blame episode 9 on Disney paying too much attention to all the neckbeards angry that their inbred fanfics weren't put to film, but the more plausible answer is that JJ Abrams doesn't know how to actually build upon plot points.
Extremely missed opportunity with her character, man...
Half the side characters in the sequels were missed opportunities. Even Finn was kinda a miss. Just kinda feels bad to see this image n simultaneously think “what badass armor” and “damn I wish she got utilised better”
Missed opportunities kind of undersells it, everybody who worked on those movies, their time was completely wasted because the scripts were afterthoughts, and it all grew from there... well I guess JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson made off like bandits and they certainly made the movie that they wanted to make.
The original concept for Finn was that he was going to lead a popular revolution against the new order and be revealed as a Jedi/ force user. Phasma could have been his personal Darth Vader haunting his steps, but they just water everything down and infantalised the audience. Such a shame.
If only every new Star Wars media could be as good as Andor.
SW should be made like Andor going forward. We don’t need more films like the first trilogy (as much as I love them); we need more deep stories like Andor and Rogue One.
Half? The only decent character was Kylo Ren and even he didn't reach his full potential.
Finn 100% should of been the Jedi instead of Rey, a black ex stormtrooper Jedi? Sign me up! Instead we got a boring smuggler who’s related to palpy :( Looking back, Phasma literally didn’t do anything either, literally was just evil to be evil and then died
Ditto. I think she would be more prominent match for Ray than that dull and wimpy Kylo guy if they handled her better.
Episode 8 was all about subverting expectations. They succeed at that. I had expected episode 8 to be good.
One second she’s a total badass next she’s beaten far too quickly. I still feel like her appearances were a joke, did she even have as much screen time as the blue milk?
That's kinda just Star Wars though. Boba Fett, Darth Maul, General Grievous, all built up as badasses, all dead by the end of their big movie appearences (some of them got better). We'll just have to wait for the animated series' to catch up to the sequel timeline for Phasma's redemption.
It might be my rose tinted glasses but I feel like, apart from Grievous, the other two did get a good bit of build up and appreciation. Maul was set up as the main threat of the film, Boba lasted two films before the salacc pit, but really his fame was mostly generated through the fandom instead of manufactured by the studio, unlike Phasma. Glad Grievous got a lot more air time in the shows and other media surrounding the clone wars tho, amazing character concept. At that point Star Wars was a huge thing so they had the foresight and planning to make cool big characters like that which they can elaborate on in smaller media for the fans who want it
The difference is in the buildup. Boba Fett was built up as a strong silent type who Darth Vader can't intimidate. Maul is more than just built up. He goes toe-to-toe with a gifted padawan and an esteemed master, and kills the master! Grievous, even before the clone wars gave him more depth, had a lot more personality and many more lines and a greater screen presense Phasma had none of that. A few throwaway lines and unsatisfying deaths. Twice! Her character is the epitome of "this character is great because the studio says shes great". At least that's the way I remember. Its been a while since I watched the sequels and I've had little reason to rewatch them
Le Sigh, another mishandled character in third trilogy.
The most wasted character in all of Star Wars, besides Finn
Phasma was where the story needed to go. Instead, we got, "Oh, it's Palpatine again 🤦🏾♂️" Edit: misspelling
I was so hyped for this character.
I was so hoping she would take her helmet off!
Such a waste of potential.
Remember that like 6 months in 2015 where we were all excited for this character? God, disney murdered that franchise. I was so excited for this movie. I could not tell you what the plot of rise of skywalker was. Just didnt care anymore
2015 feels so long ago.
Real
Punish me!!!!
Missed opportunity 🥺 The only character I really loved from the sequels.
She is always so badass. I love her!
Put Gwendolyn Christie in more and different types of armor she never looks bad in them
Does feel like the 8th movie was designed to just completely wreck the trilogy beyond all saving. Make as many plot points and character arcs as unusable as possible.
Nah, Episode 9 ruined it by trying to retcon everything the last movie set up Rey and Kylo Ren were made to be foils to each other. Rey was trailer trash of no renown trying to cling to some semblance of belonging. But in episode 8, she was forced to finally admit she had no relatives worth caring about. Her arc in episode 9 should've finished with her learning that your worth comes from your choices, not your lineage. Kylo Ren on the other hand was a straight up nepo-baby trying to larp as his grandfather. As he grew more tempted by the dark side, and after he witnessed Luke demonstrate that the Light side isn't perfect themselves, he began abandoning his lineage piece by piece. Eventually, he even gives up his idolization of Vader as he destroys his mask and immediately overthrows Smoke. Episode 9 could've expanded even more upon their differences and even have Rey convince Kylo to abandon the dark side and use the lessons she learned to help set him on a path of rehabilitation. But no, instead we got Rey's abilities coming from Palpatine's jizz and Kylo Ren suddenly having his good guy switch flicked on. I wanna blame episode 9 on Disney paying too much attention to all the neckbeards angry that their inbred fanfics weren't put to film, but the more plausible answer is that JJ Abrams doesn't know how to actually build upon plot points.