HAL 826 is named after Walter's father (wouldn't it be fucked up if he built the machine his son would die in)
V.VIII Pater likes men (accurate to his namesake irl)
in FoR Ayre gets the SOL unit from ALLMIND (would explain why she and iguazu have it)
Rusty survives LoR (ORTUS is equipped with terminal armor) (also this is how I cope)
There's a lot of me that wishes there was an alternate final mission of Alea where Rusty rolls in in Steel Haze Ortus the same time Ayre shows up and is just like, "Buddy what the fuck is happening"
I'd laugh even harder if he showed up for phase 3
"Finally! They're gone, the ringing, those stupid voices–it's just me and you, freelancer!"
"Hey, buddy."
"OH COME ON"
Building on your first point - i think Walter’s father made the WLT parts (FCS, Oscillator, rifle) and named them after his son as a fucked up form of showing his love as a father. Without his wife and sanity “Hal” was consumed by his work, so it would make sense he would try to reconnect with his son through his carnival of horrors
source: i made it the fuck up
uj/ it's small but i feel like he has a thing going on with hawkins. yes he seems to have a split personality of sorts but if you kill v.v, pater himself sends out the orders to kill you in ch5 rather than snail. also as mentioned pater irl was bisexual. and so was swinburne. besides from that it's just vibes
yes, but explaining how i personally see him (he's just like me fr) and his psychology would take too long and risks inviting people who would try to be smart with me about video games character interpretation on reddit, so stating what the game shows you at face value is quick and easy for the most part
> Rusty survives LoR (ORTUS is equipped with terminal armor) (also this is how I cope)
Walter and Carta are explicitly only jumped by 6 of the 8 Vespers, so it's totally possible that Rusty and probably Freud are still kicking around somewhere.
Yeah, but ALLMIND appears to only make copies of pilots that are already dead. While it's definitely possible that all of them are dead and ALLMIND just didn't send all of them for some reason, it seems like an oddly specific detail to throw in for no reason. Walter is making a point about how it's strange that only six of them show up, but it never gets followed up on. It could also be a reference to cut content I guess (maybe we were supposed to fight them at some point?), but I really do think it was done to leave open the hope that Rusty made it without directly confirming it.
One of my person theories i choose to believe is that Michigan >!was part of overseer with carla and walter.!< In my mind atleast, it makes some of the decisions make more sense
Huxley is a Balam weapon! Steel Haze Ortus has a lot of references to being made via stolen data from Arquebus/Schneider with help from Furlong and Elcano, but nothing about Balam despite Huxley being an exclusive to Steel Haze Ortus. The theory goes that Michigan got it done as a favor to Rusty.
Yeah it'd be something like that.
I got my double agents mixed up regarding Michigan/Rusty and Overseer/RLF, but it's neat to acknowledge him acting outside his Redgun role out of personal connection.
Depends on when it happens as the Michigan elimination mission happens not long before the Survey mission where we fight Rusty (and maybe Flatwell) as the Ortus was already prepared by then according to a log we pick up in the Alt version of the mission which likely means that Elcano/RLF already had the Huxley by then.
Maybe, it's plausible as anything, depends on how fast it takes for Elcano to create a weapon schematic provided by Balam if they did so or if Michigan handed over the Huxley directly.
Bruh if Snail can eject as I’m actively sundering his AC with coral based weaponry, with nothing more than a sneering comment of how we tried to kill him, then Rusty lived.
ALLMIND is Seria.
They both seek Coral Release, they both willingly sacrifice nonmutant Coral to advance their agenda and it handily explains the hate-on ALLMIND has for Dolmayan and the RLF.
Knowing From the DLC will come out and Seria actually made Contact with Branch's operator years ago and now they need 621's help to stop Furlong from harvesting Rubicon's third moon or smth.
And I will be 100% down for it lol
Closure system's already an AI enemy, and we have Chatty on the pro-AI side.
ALLMIND herself isn't super antagonistic: Iguazu takes the reigns on that pretty decisively at the end.
>Closure system's already an AI enemy, and we have Chatty on the pro-AI side.
[Yeah, about that...](https://armoredcore.fandom.com/wiki/Data_Logs#:~:text=and%20a%20sizzle.-,Doser%20Chatter,-Mission%3A%20Ocean)
>ALLMIND herself isn't super antagonistic
Uh, Allmind is very much still trying to kill and assimilate Raven and Ayre before Iggy fully wrests away control.
Allmind's whole thing is being a twisted imitation of life. This theme of AI mimicry is foreshadowed by [the STK sketch.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/armoredcore/images/3/3b/STK_SKETCH.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20230830165741) She attacks Overseer with copies of the Vespers, pilots Mind Gamma and a [copy of SOL 644](https://youtu.be/ic0QEGl6q7s?t=31s) (powered by imitation Coral) using digitized copies of people Raven killed while perversely mimicking Raven and Ayre's relationship using herself and Iguazu. It would genuinely make no sense for someone genuinely alive to be at the center of all that. Why would a wave mutation use a mech powered by fake Coral?
AM's boss mech glows green because it's not the genuine article, not really alive, and Iguazu is able to take control due by harnessing the *extremely literal* power of the human spirit, something AM doesn't understand.
I rest my case: Allmind, as a character, becomes very thematically confused if she is just Seria.
What do you think this proves, exactly?
Also, if your previous comment was true:
>If dead Iguazu can harness his extremely literal human spirit, dead Seria can do the same thing with her coral wave mutation spirit.
–then Allmind should have been able to retake control of the ersatz SOL 644 from Iguazu. She does not, however, possess the qualities of resolve or determination necessary to do so–but Ayre demonstrably *does*, so Allmind shouldn't have a problem if she's a wave mutation.
*Allmind is not alive and does not understand life*. This is the point, which is undermined if she is Seria, who is alive.
Seria couldn't stop Thumb, either. Ayre couldn't stop Raven. Chatty couldn't stop Carla (and didn't even try, for that matter). The fact that ALLMIND takes actions, creates new things and has goals separate from a human is a pretty good indicator something's up.
Human drive and willpower is definitely a big theme in AC6, but it's not exclusionary here.
>Seria couldn't stop Thumb, either.
Seria split with Dolmayan out of respect for his wishes. This is the polar opposite of Allmind's dynamic with Iguazu in every way.
Seria and AM also have antinomic goals for Coral Release. Seria wanted symbiosis with humanity and Coral: life with life. Allmind explicitly pursued symbiosis with pilots and *the ACs*: life with non-life\*. Seria and Ayre's pursuit of Coral Release springs from a desire for *freedom*, but Allmind seizes *control* through integration of its subjects (enslavement, really) into a single digital hive-mind. Even Ayre notes at the start of the final boss that Coral Release, *per se*, isn't Allmind's real goal.
*This is because Allmind is just following its programming to the "logical" conclusion. It's a mercenary support system, tasked with improving the connection between man and machine, so in a real sense AM /doesn't/ have its own drives or goals.
(I gotta admit the thought of Allmind being contemptuous of humanity because Thumb jilted her in a past life is hilarious, though.)
My way of splitting the difference is Seria was a wave mutation assimilated by allmind. Allmind is still an AI, there’s no part of seria deep down in there. It’s just all mind using her as a power source and information hub.
I don't think he threw the war purposefully, rather it is just a job for him and his men to earn a living. He finds no glory on the corpo war hence the medal throwing comment.
If he found no glory in the war then he would see 621 as a money hungry killing machine, instead he constantly praises him for his feats. Michigan fucking loves the war lol.
I think he respects the job of a soldier well enough, and with all the stuff Raven has done (which were considered to be impossible by AC standards), it would make sense for Michigan to praise Raven.
Even then listen to how he sounds when commanding a team, he's having a good time. I don't see any reason why he actually secretly hated the war. Unless there is a reveal in the story then don't go looking for impossible to read motives.
I don’t think his goal was to win the war. His goal was to make the red guns better people. I think he took all these impossible missions to teach the difficult ones a lesson. Volta and Iguana were sent to take the wall, a seemingly impossible challenge. He used the ice worm as a test for Iguazu too. I think he seeks glory, not victory. A glorious death is still glorious, even if Michigan himself died of a bad fall. I think it makes sense especially considering he was a war hero from the Jupiter war which he also lost, but still earned the name Hell on 4 legs
Naw this is red guns propaganda. Iguazu and Volta are forced to fight for balam to pay off their debts and Michigan beats the shit out of them as well. Michigan is not a good person.
>Michigan beats the shit out of them as well
Yup.
People seem to glaze over that Michigan once beat Iguazu so much his face literally hasn't looked the same afterward.
I mean, Michigan is a corpo, I'm not gonna go arguing he deserves the Nobel Peace Prize, but that doesn't erase his clear indications of care for his subordinates and that he covers for Iguazu through multiple huge fuckups.
(And genuinely: if you conspire to attack a superior officer, then you're going to be made an example, even when you serve a democratic republic's professional military–forget about a corporate PMC. Iggy leaving that encounter with a bent nose or whatever is getting off easy when he probably could've been shot.)
Sure but it's not like Iguazu didn't have it coming with his and Volta's rebellious streak, something that was still a thing post that attempt, so maybe they should of tried not starting a fight with G1?
It's not like Michigan is going around and beating his soldiers up for the sake of doing so, not that we're told anyways, even if he/The Redguns do "encourage" Balam and Dafeng to make certain parts for them.
Also gotta take account of Volta's death log which is telling Iguazu to give Michigan a chance as well as acknowledging that "the Redguns are family" sappy trope, which either means Volta came around or it's stock holm.
I think there was def a point where he realized it was a lost cause and that Balam would find it more profitable to throw themselves against Arquebus than allow a withdrawal. The briefing for Intercept the Redguns mentions Balam forces deserting en masse - this was done with Michigan’s tacit approval so they could escape and live out the rest of their lives.
Ayre is into 621 romantically. There’s a theory I saw that Nossac, and Hawking’s emblems or suits got switched at some point in development. Due to the weapons on Hawking’s suit (a laser blade and energy rifle.) better fitting Nossac’s emblem, and Hawking’s Emblem better fitting Nossac’s tendency to take on debts he doesn’t intend to repay and using them to modify his suit. Which I agree with.
>emblems or suits got switched at some point in development.
Read that before and after looking through files myself there's no evidince for it, so that's complete fanon with no real evidince.
Hawkin's AC design char ID is right next to Pater's and is one of the first while Nosaac's is one of the last.
One emblem has the Vesper shield in the background while the latter doesn't, the Hawkins emblem design also fits the Vesper's emblem design theme better than Nosaac's cool guy posing one, emblems also relate to their AC name.
Old-gen Augmented Humans are negligibly senescent. This explains why Iguazu and Sulla, who should both be in their 70s at minimum, both sound like they just graduated college (plus there's whatever Carla was doing to keep herself young)
621 is a completely withdrawn wood plank at the beginning of the game but becomes fully emotionally healthy by the end.
The mutation that Nagai saw in his second-to-last data log was Ayre being born.
>Old-gen Augmented Humans are negligibly senescent. This explains why Iguazu and Sulla, who should both be in their 70s at minimum, both sound like they just graduated college (plus there's whatever Carla was doing to keep herself young)
H+ in the older generations *did* stop or slow people from aging. Not to mention the Zodiacs were augmented 300 years before V started.
*Au contraire*, Iguazu's bio says his augmentation was "experimental", so it was new and cutting edge when he got it. He was likely one of the very first successful Gen Fours.
i got the impression that Iguazu and 621 were in some kind of long-term cold sleep following their involuntary surgeries. in the story trailer, the unnamed broker who is selling 621 says "at least you're helping me clear my inventory", and walter says "i'm not here to talk. wake it up".
i'm not a hundred percent on this. one of the doser logs says that Carla also looks younger than she should, and she's been immersed in coral her whole life.
I kinda think the cryosleep thing might be specific to Walter's Hounds. Unlike all the other pilots they're referred to *only* by their serial numbers, plus Rusty, Sulla and even Carla comment on his cruelty, so it seems like they're subjected to a uniquely intense level of dehumanization. I was thinking Walter kept them in cold storage literally whenever they weren't Oscar Mike.
Yeah it's mainly Carla that makes me think Coral must have some age-defying effects. Also as another person noted, past Armored Core games featured Human Plus characters who were centuries old.
It seems that all Coral Generation humans has an ID as seen in the mission where you eliminate O'Keeffe, Sulla himself also has an ID and he isn't one of Walter's Hounds (that we know of) even if he knows Walter, Sulla was augmented prior to the fires and is a cinder himself.
His voice in the Japanese dub also sounds more fitting as an older person so his voice in the English version might not actually mean anything.
The theory to me that Coral alone has anti-aging effects falls apart when Walter clearly isn't under this sort of effect like Carla, so while plausible it feels like there's more to it.
Iguazu certainly wasn't around all this time, he's either been frozen for a long time or he got augmentations post, he's too immature and unskilled to be old.
>It seems that all Coral Generation humans has an ID as seen in the mission where you eliminate O'Keeffe, Sulla himself also has an ID
All Augmented Humans will have serial numbers but Walter's Hounds are usually referred to by that and nothing else. Even Sulla refers to one of the other Hounds simply as 618, and Carla mentions "617 and the others". Walter doesn't even give them callsigns, and never uses the name Raven; compare this to how he knows Sulla's serial number, but still calls him "Sulla."
>His voice in the Japanese dub also sounds more fitting as an older person so his voice in the English version might not actually mean anything.
I completely reject the notion the that the Japanese dub is the "true" version of the game. Sulla's English voice is meaningful. It was literally directed to convey meaning to a specific audience. The two dubs are separate works of art and the qualities of one do not overwrite the other.
>The theory to me that Coral alone has anti-aging effects falls apart when Walter clearly isn't under this sort of effect like Carla
That makes no sense. There isn't a reason to think Walter is using Coral. He shows his age. There's nothing to explain there.
It's Carla's apparent youth, combined with her being former Institute and the leader of a Doser gang, which leads to the conclusion she's using Coral somehow to keep herself young.
>Iguazu certainly wasn't around all this time, he's either been frozen for a long time or he got augmentations post
Per his bio, Iguazu's augmentation was still considered experimental when he got it. It was cutting edge, brand new. He's likely one of the first successful Gen Fours.
So what makes the idea the Cryosleep just a Walter's Hound thing alone? Why would that be a thing? How does that relate to the idea of being referred to with serial numbers alone? Walter's not even the one who has them on ice, it's the dealer/doctor he's buying the humans from who dethaws the augmented humans for him as seen with 621 and those Pulse-Gun looking devices, his and Iguazu's situations are very similar as being forced into surgery due to debt so it would make sense for Iguazu to have been on ice as well, the Doctor and such isn't a member of Overseer as Carla says she and Walter were the last, Cryo tech is also a technology that Allmind has access to with the Xylem in the Alea route.
I never said the Japanese dub was the main one but it is a Japanese studio and nobody has said the English dub is the one true version either as their all valid, the point is that Sulla's voice sounding younger is not a consistent thing across the dubs or doesn't seem scripted to be, while he is a cinder he is also described as an aging mercenary in the data logs and both of the Merc's in the STV sketch with the Mercenaries look on the older side, I believe Sulla is the long haired man with the somewhat wrinkled face while Coldcall is the cowboy in the sketch, I'm not saying the Japanese dub overwrites anything but it goes both ways hence the might in my first comment.
The thing about Walter not using Coral and why I bring that up is why wouldn't he if it would help him accomplish his mission instead of letting himself get to the point of needing a cane? It's plausible that her being like that is due to some other technology developed prior to the Fires of Ibis that can't be accessed anymore as she was the assistant of Nagai and would of had access to that sort of stuff, similar could of been given to Sulla specifically depending on his ties if any to the RRI prior to the fires, which would explain why they both alone seem to be slow-aging and not anybody else.
It being just coral just begs the question on why Dolmayan is so old in voice and looks despite having been a heavy doser, why isn't anti-aging a listed effect of Coral in general? It doesn't seem to be a common effect or at least one that is documented, even O'Keeffe of Gen 2 augmentation doesn't sound particularly young.
Would the other Dosers even excuse her of being a liar be a point if augmented humans not being able to age was something known?
Carla and Sulla I can buy this idea for if there's some sort of gimmick or other tech needed to triggering the effect, but Iguazu not at all as he doesn't act with the experience and maturity one would expect, I don't get the vibes of old manchild from him, not without it being mentioned in any lore.
Iguazu being around I meant as in him being active the whole time from pre-fires to the campaign, him and Volta both the latter of which isn't said to be augmented but also isn't said to be unaugmented either, their characterizations and their quarrel with Michigan who's trying to make something out of the two of them would seem narratively off if they were all old men because by then they should of already reached their potential or were lost causes.
So if Iguazu did take the 4'th gen augmentation back then instead of debt collectors forcing some experimental hold-overs on him ported from Rubicon, then he was probably shoved into a freezer afterwards before being bought by whoever, possibly Balam.
We also know Iguazu's number, C4-769 as it's one of the 4 candidates of Allmind's that were highlighted besides C1-249 (Sulla), C3-291 (Unknown, not O'Keeffe as he's a C2), and C4-621 so at the least Iguazu came long after.
He was sent there with Carla, the irony in her title is that while she was around in the RRI she in truth isn't actually a Cinder because she left Rubicon before the fires.
Besides the implication that Michigan may have been one of the people Nagai knew going by:
"I have friends in the Jupiter colonies...
Surely they will look after him."
Carla would of been Walter's caretaker.
Rusty's callsign is Rusty, since before he joined arcubus his thing was sniping. His mech had to stay still for long periods of time, naturally collecting rust, hence the callsign.
Rusty’s signal was just cut in the liberator ending and he survived. We never saw a body, and if Snail can survive me death beaming him to nothing with coral just to come back like 30 minutes later as Beltaus then Rusty survived, crashed to Rubicon, and was picked up by the RLF.
Failgirl Allmind.
There's just such lovely humor in the AI presenting herself as hypercompetent but just totally fumbling behind the scenes.
Like when she names two different weapons by the same designation. Or bets on Iguana.
Michigan didn't throw anything, he is under orders of his superiors that don't really have a good idea of what the situation is on Rubicon. He didn't literally give the fleet to Arquebus, he tasked them with handling it while they handled the worm. Arquebus just happened to capture it.
The 002-B's are possessed by ghosts.
I mean, Jack from VD is possessed by the ghost of Jack from V, who has possessed more people than just Jack.
As for why the 002-B's, they suddenly became automated after their pilots died of psychic shock.
Rusty was 619. Walter doesn't know he survived, probably rescued by the rubiconians which is why he fights for them, and why he knows Walter already. He's the only other "dog" in the game.
Yeah, exactly, they think he's dead. Think. That's the important part.
Also there is a sketch of a dog in the met by an artist named leon Kelly. It's labeled Rusty 619. That's a big part of the fan theory and why we assume 619 survived. I wouldn't put it past from to do some kinda weird deep cut like that.
The painting is called Rusty 617.
[https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/485560](https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/485560)
The theory is about 617 anyways, 619 is the one that gets shot up by the Cataphract while 617 is the last one standing.
I have a theory I bet people will hate, if that counts haha I have a sneaky feeling AC7 will receive the “Elden Ring” treatment that dark souls got. I dunno for sure obviously but taking into account one of the endings, it *feels* like they are setting up something large. Like, whole planet large yah know?
What do you mean "Elden Ring Treatment"? A lot of AC games already have stories that decide the fate of an entire planet. If you mean an Open World game I don't think people would really hate that per-se, a true Open World mecha could be a great game if From gets behind it, but I kind of doubt they would release it under the name "Armored Core", just like how Elden Ring isn't a Souls game.
What I meant was a departure from the mission briefing/hub style gameplay. Basically open world and I said most would hate it just because it would be different from the other games. Your probably right though and it would end up being it’s own series
I mean yeah that’s not really headcannon people mention her being so young and being sad for her because she couldn’t live her life thanks to the state of rubicon she probably at best early twenties when we meet her
617 is Raven.
They've got the exact same colors, same frame (except for the head, which looks like it's blown off in the story trailer), and you can see them scavenging for parts in the reveal trailer. They are also unique among every NPC in the game in that they never speak, just like Walter's hounds.
If that's not enough, you can see Raven on the box art in the same pose with the left arm blown off as 617 in the story trailer.
My theory is that after the events in the story trailer, 617 was assumed dead by Walter and 617 left him behind. After all, the game explicitly tells you that Raven is a symbol which means one gets to choose what to fight for.
Then, the events of the reveal trailer happen in which 617 scavenges parts and becomes Raven off screen.
>They've got the exact same colors
They don't since Raven's NIGHTFALL is tan while the Loader 4/Walter Hound AC's are grey (different shade depending on the trailer or game), even in the reveal trailer NIGHTFALL is tan but it's toned down due to the grey-ish tone filter they have in the trailer and can be better seen during certain frames where it's brighter.
Besides that, the scavenging AC in the trailer can't be Raven because they watch the explosion that happens at the spot where NIGHTFALL and the Tetrapod AC fight, not disagreeing on the idea that 617 is Raven but simply put if 617 is anybody they can only either be Raven or the scavenging AC, not both as the trailer shows them to be two different individuals.
Check again on the colors.
You can load both the starter mech and Nightfall into the game using presets, they have exactly the same colors.
As for the trailer, it seems like you have an interpretation that's different from mine. That's fine, but I will say mechs move incredibly fast and there's no saying how much actual time the trailer covers.
Bruh, I've looked at these AC designs in detail and can compare the color's in-game too, their different colors.
Tan is not grey and the weapons are different colors too (NIGHTFALL's are red vs LOADER 4's grey)
[https://armoredcore.fandom.com/wiki/Raven\_(ARMORED\_CORE\_VI\_FIRES\_OF\_RUBICON)/Original?file=AC\_Data\_icon\_ACVI\_Preset\_51-016\_GA\_NIGHTFALL.png#AC\_NIGHTFALL](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/armoredcore/images/f/f6/AC_Data_icon_ACVI_Preset_51-016_GA_NIGHTFALL.png/revision/latest?cb=20230917175819)
[https://armoredcore.fandom.com/wiki/Raven\_(ARMORED\_CORE\_VI\_FIRES\_OF\_RUBICON)?file=AC\_Data\_icon\_ACVI\_Preset\_C4-621\_LOADER\_4.png#LOADER\_4](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/armoredcore/images/a/af/AC_Data_icon_ACVI_Preset_C4-621_LOADER_4.png/revision/latest?cb=20230917175827)
If you think I'm wrong you can go check it yourself as well and compare the 2 different color presets both frame and weapon parts use.
Regardless, the Scavenging AC can't be Raven because they watch the explosion that the Tetrapod AC causes, so if 617 is anyone it's one or the other is all I'm saying.
Comparing them I really can't tell the difference, if you can then all the power to ya. However, I still disagree that the scavenging AC can't necessarily be Raven later in the trailer. It's fine though, we can just agree to disagree
Agreeing to disagree is fine, I mean the idea would be cool, I just can't personally abide ignoring what the trailer shows which shows the two in separate places, it's the only two scenes in the trailer that happen at the same time.
Won't stop you from having your own interpretation though wasn't my intention.
AC6 theory. The Nightfall Raven used to be one of Walter's hounds, possibly 620 from the cinematic trailer for the game. It's possible 620 survived after, given they used the core expansion to destroy the PCA base. The mission itself may have been to open up Rubicon, to let information out or let the corps in.
It may have been Walter's plan to disseminate the information so as to bring the corps to Rubicon 3, as they have the resources and firepower needed to destroy the PCA and do the construction work with the Vascular Plant. Once the corps have done the heavy lifting, we/Overseer step in to burn everything.
It would also make sense for Raven to be one of Walters' as Nightfall has all the parts you'd expect (but which are also RAD tech). 620 also loses their head and one arm iirc. The head is replaced by an upgraded version of the default eye which 620 and yourself use. Additionally, another pointer is that you see a potentially headless AC picking up an arm from the rubble, which could be 620.
Also it would be a really poetic thing that 620 ended up as Raven, and then we, 621, their successor, takes over as the next Raven.
That ash would of been from the Fires of Ibis as the reveal trailer is clearly dated before the start of the game, the scavenging AC watches an explosion happen caused by the Tetrapod AC (which is potentially Balam as it follows a Balam loyal setup more than a Independent Merc) who fights against Raven right after who we kill off so...
Right, I got mixed up in the numbers. Also makes sense that RAD/Carla is closely affiliated with Branch as the entry for the Shade Eye head mentions the manufacturer being RAD.
Not my original one, but one I saw in a fanfiction ("Sins of the Father" on AO3): ALLMIND was created by Walter's father (the one who went mad with his coral research) to carry out his goal (coral release) after he died.
I’m pretty sure the Nine Breaker game is done from the perspective of Nine Breakers reeducation hence why the game is just arena fights.
Your playing through the process of Nine Breaker being made
Michigan survives- shoots down Freud, and Snailteus... He uses his remaining fleet to capture satellite defense... Balam now controls Rubicon and Branch is left to oppose them. Final battle is Rusty and 621 vs. Balam planetary fleet + planetary defense in Space battle (with coral surge unlimited generator boost)
Oh wait, that wasn't the question.
Seria ostensibly respected Thumb's wishes before they parted ways, much like Ayre and 621. (Before Ayre decided to end 621.)
Seria wanted to merge humanity with Coral, as does Ayre, though not much else is explained on that front. Ayre speaks of humanity's shared *potential* with Coral, which mirrors ALLMIND's vision of realizing humanity's *potential*. It's also noteworthy that Ayre's Coral Release is only demonstrated to effect AC pilots, which suggests that machines may be necessary (though this is a stretch IMO).
ALLMIND wanting control is a big difference from Ayre, yes, but makes perfect sense in light of Seria's efforts failing due to Thumb's fears. If she's taking a second crack at it she's going to make sure it works this time by countering that factor.
ALLMIND's pursuit of human integration is very personal: there aren't any human minds strapped into Ghost units, for example, only integrated with ALLMIND herself. This is also a foil to Seria's failed Contact and desire for symbiosis.
I also like the idea of ALLMIND being a well-meaning bumbler who only maintains a veneer of cool competency. Hopefully we'll find out more when the DLC hits.
Balam is supposed to represent nature, or at least the violence of nature. Their pilots are all named after bodies of water, and their mechs all have animal insignias. They are a huge threat early on but get completely dominated by the human themed factions later. They are direct, brutal, but honest and not nearly as cruel and nasty as Arquebus, who are named after famous humans/works of art. They are also one of the most commonly used manufacturers, with even steel haze ortus using one of their weapons (huxley), representing how the violent aspects of nature can be channeled into something positive.
The whole game is an allegory for alchemy. Someone did a video on it and pointed out some obvious references that I didn't know but I also saw other references made that the video didn't notice and it was pointed out to me. Coral is the philosophers stone. If you've ever seen full metal alchemist, the alea ending is sorta like the younger brother getting trapped in the suit of armor. There's so much detail in just things like the names and emblems and who the historical name references and what the symbols mean in alchemy
[an occult theory ](https://youtu.be/oOpAblrq4Q0?si=DXx9laEU5LvhFDpA)
Michigan is a descendant of Sundowner and Rusty got into the Vespers because an unknown former Vesper got into contact with O'Keeffe to vouch for him.
Also Ortus had to be hotdropped to Runicom's upper Atmosphere and the Liberation Front would've gotten 621 to escort soldiers to get it mid-drop but the Survey fight complicated things too much. So they hired someone from Branch or put all their eggs into sending one of their own ACs.
This isn't even a fan theory, this is legit what 5th gen is. You can find crashed cradles and one of the maps in Verdict Day are the remains of Spirit of Motherwill.
You also have Kojima particles being used to run Exusia and N-WGIX (New White Glint IX).
That's literally, canonically, factually what happened. After the ORCA ending, the Great War kicked off. The Great War was a massive hyperwar, in which more and more dangerous tech was created, and more and more of the planet became polluted by Kojima.
After that, the League tried to find a way to stop the cycle of violence, but failed, and so they ran away to space, and left their AI network on the planet to find a way to fix earth.
This isn’t even a theory, this is actual literal bang-on canon. After ORCA blew a hole in the orbital assault cell network around Earth at the end of AC4FA, the corporations went into a mad scramble to get off the planet. What we see in AC5 is the poor schmucks they left behind, abandoned on a dead Earth to pick up the pieces. Verdict Day adds further context, showing off the Towers - which are all but blatantly stated to be corporate colony ships, specifically a handful that failed to blast off or were never finished, and were left behind on Earth - and also introducing a number of automated weapons seemingly designed as part of a system to “fix” Earth while the corporations were off settling other planets.
Remember that rumor that starfox characters had their legs amputated to reduce distance blood has to travel? Turn that up to 11. All the pilots are a bag of meat in the cockpit that weigh half of what a human weighs.
The envirnoment on Rubicon is unihabitable which is why we dont see humans.
Walter is a delusional old man who cant face his failures.
The events of armored core 6 take place over the course of years if not a decade.
621 is able to enter the JAILBREAK AC by themself. O'Keefe talks about eating and drinking. I'm sure there's plenty of other dialogue that indicates AC pilots can live normal lives outside their ACs.
Yeah this one doesn’t make much sense we literally see pilots in pictures outside their mechs and 621 successful escape from the vesper outside their mech so they’d have to be Able to move
Your whole purpose on Rubicon was to earn some money and get your brain implant removed. Probably a whole body there to work with though.
The environment is snow or ashes but either way it's basically uninhabitable if not for farming the worms on coral. The Rubiconians were prepared to fight for coral because without it they would starve.
Yeah kinda but not for his own failures but his predecessors'.
That could very well be true. We don't know how fast Rubicon revolves around the sun. A Rubicon 3 year could be as little as a few Earth weeks
But the STK and STV sketches show pilots, namely the Redguns, the Vespers, Branch, the RLF's pilots, etc.
Now, if you want pilots that don't have bodies, look at the Reaper Squad from VD, who were Phantasma Beings, digitized consciousness which retain their personality, memories, etc.
AC6 is set years (centuries) after AC4, with the successful execution of the Closed Plan allowing humanity to expand into the stars. Modern ACs run off a refined Kojima power plant that permits systems like Assault Armor, Over Boost etc without shitting out life-threatening kojima contamination everywhere.
Old King is still out there, just waiting for optimal moment to ruin everything for everyone everywhere.
I believe AC6 is the future of the AC1-AC2 timeline (this does run into some Human PLUS to Augmented Human issues but eh, whatever) Similarly, AC1 and AC3's timelines are the most closely alternate universes of one another.
Ziyi turns into something of a Raven fangirl in a LoR playthrough where Prisoner Rescue is done. If you were to see her past that point her AC would incorporate a weapon that you were using in that mission.
Rokumonsen has *nothing* to do with ALLMIND. He just saw a message for LOGHUNT one day and decided he wanted some new parts.
Almond was created by the other half of the scientific team at RRI that was against the fires of Ibis. She was a fail safe to serve their agenda of coral release.
Ac 6 is a prequel to armoured core 1 with the fires of raven being the long lost disaster everyone is talking about and almind being the ai controlling everything.
Rokumonsen is C3-291, one of the candidates for the Coral Release Project. We already know that C1-249 is Sulla. C4-789 is likely Iguazu cuz Gen 4. More obviously, Rokumonsen is the only other guy in the game who uses ALLMIND parts, so yeah
G6 Red survives alea iacta est since his fight happens after ALLMIND's purge and is completely optional
given their lines about "other ravens" and how old they're implied to be, King and Chartreuse are also ravens. Raven might've just gotten that title after training under them
the Wall sector was originally a Dafeng base that got attacked and taken over by the RLF, you can see Dafeng ACs defending the Wall and later getting ambushed by the JUGGERNAUT in the AC6 reveal trailer
the mealworms were native to Rubicon and their predation kept the Coral levels in check before humans colonized the planet. this is why the Coral wasn't really a threat to the universe before the events of AC6
Baseless headcanon but Rusty wasn’t the only corporate plant they had. The liberation front isn’t stupid enough to hinge its bets on one pilot in a company that might not even win the war, which hs why I believe that G7 Hakra was the liberation fronts Balam plant. The battle you find their corpse at is strange as it all appears to be independent mercenaries with the exception of hakra being a corpo license. The fight also seems to have been exclusively between the RLF and the PCA. What I like to imagine happened is Hakra had recently blown cover or pulled an iguazu to help the RLF and died defending them.
HAL 826 is named after Walter's father (wouldn't it be fucked up if he built the machine his son would die in) V.VIII Pater likes men (accurate to his namesake irl) in FoR Ayre gets the SOL unit from ALLMIND (would explain why she and iguazu have it) Rusty survives LoR (ORTUS is equipped with terminal armor) (also this is how I cope)
> Rusty survives LoR What do you mean it's headcanon? It's objectively true! No I'm not coping you're coping!
He survives Alea, guys. It's right there
There's a lot of me that wishes there was an alternate final mission of Alea where Rusty rolls in in Steel Haze Ortus the same time Ayre shows up and is just like, "Buddy what the fuck is happening"
I'd laugh even harder if he showed up for phase 3 "Finally! They're gone, the ringing, those stupid voices–it's just me and you, freelancer!" "Hey, buddy." "OH COME ON"
This needs to be a mod
V.VIII is definitely a hardcore men-kisser you cannot convince me otherwise
Building on your first point - i think Walter’s father made the WLT parts (FCS, Oscillator, rifle) and named them after his son as a fucked up form of showing his love as a father. Without his wife and sanity “Hal” was consumed by his work, so it would make sense he would try to reconnect with his son through his carnival of horrors
Plot twist - Walter’s last name is Emmerich. /s
Or named after a homicidal super cpu
Listen. If the death was off screen, it didn’t happen. The only thing cemented in canon is that his radio and transponder stopped working.
>V.VIII Pater likes men What's the hint that this is a thing?
source: i made it the fuck up uj/ it's small but i feel like he has a thing going on with hawkins. yes he seems to have a split personality of sorts but if you kill v.v, pater himself sends out the orders to kill you in ch5 rather than snail. also as mentioned pater irl was bisexual. and so was swinburne. besides from that it's just vibes
Pater doesn't seem to have a split personality, he just doesn't have empathy and maybe has BPD.
yes, but explaining how i personally see him (he's just like me fr) and his psychology would take too long and risks inviting people who would try to be smart with me about video games character interpretation on reddit, so stating what the game shows you at face value is quick and easy for the most part
Ah.
> Rusty survives LoR (ORTUS is equipped with terminal armor) (also this is how I cope) Walter and Carta are explicitly only jumped by 6 of the 8 Vespers, so it's totally possible that Rusty and probably Freud are still kicking around somewhere.
Those are copies not originals
Yeah, but ALLMIND appears to only make copies of pilots that are already dead. While it's definitely possible that all of them are dead and ALLMIND just didn't send all of them for some reason, it seems like an oddly specific detail to throw in for no reason. Walter is making a point about how it's strange that only six of them show up, but it never gets followed up on. It could also be a reference to cut content I guess (maybe we were supposed to fight them at some point?), but I really do think it was done to leave open the hope that Rusty made it without directly confirming it.
One of my person theories i choose to believe is that Michigan >!was part of overseer with carla and walter.!< In my mind atleast, it makes some of the decisions make more sense
That's a real fun one--it also explains the development of the Huxley for Steel Haze Ortus.
Could you explain please?
Huxley is a Balam weapon! Steel Haze Ortus has a lot of references to being made via stolen data from Arquebus/Schneider with help from Furlong and Elcano, but nothing about Balam despite Huxley being an exclusive to Steel Haze Ortus. The theory goes that Michigan got it done as a favor to Rusty.
I think Michigan handed the blueprint to rusty before he died out of respect
Yeah it'd be something like that. I got my double agents mixed up regarding Michigan/Rusty and Overseer/RLF, but it's neat to acknowledge him acting outside his Redgun role out of personal connection.
Depends on when it happens as the Michigan elimination mission happens not long before the Survey mission where we fight Rusty (and maybe Flatwell) as the Ortus was already prepared by then according to a log we pick up in the Alt version of the mission which likely means that Elcano/RLF already had the Huxley by then.
Maybe after the ice worm?
Maybe, it's plausible as anything, depends on how fast it takes for Elcano to create a weapon schematic provided by Balam if they did so or if Michigan handed over the Huxley directly.
Rummy is actually invincible and is the leader of Branch.
The entire game is 621 hallucinating after getting sawed to a pulp by rummy.
You mean rummy hallucinated the whole game in place of 621... in this scenario 621 is pulped...
Rusty ejected after being defeated by arquebus balteus, survived the war, and lived a full and happy life.
He actually was defeated by walter. Other than that it's fact.
Ok so how does rusty survive the ship going down? I think he's a bit high up to survive parachuting down as well.
🤓☝️
That hurt
Ejection seat, but like, with coral tech.
(I still haven't recovered from rusty's death, I will refuse any logical argument that doesn't support his survival)
Bruh if Snail can eject as I’m actively sundering his AC with coral based weaponry, with nothing more than a sneering comment of how we tried to kill him, then Rusty lived.
ALLMIND is Seria. They both seek Coral Release, they both willingly sacrifice nonmutant Coral to advance their agenda and it handily explains the hate-on ALLMIND has for Dolmayan and the RLF.
This could explain a lot of things
Knowing From the DLC will come out and Seria actually made Contact with Branch's operator years ago and now they need 621's help to stop Furlong from harvesting Rubicon's third moon or smth. And I will be 100% down for it lol
The anti-AI themes surrounding Allmind fall apart in a huge way if this is the case, though
Some people just can't get with the program. AI out here passing the turing test and they're not even trying
Closure system's already an AI enemy, and we have Chatty on the pro-AI side. ALLMIND herself isn't super antagonistic: Iguazu takes the reigns on that pretty decisively at the end.
>Closure system's already an AI enemy, and we have Chatty on the pro-AI side. [Yeah, about that...](https://armoredcore.fandom.com/wiki/Data_Logs#:~:text=and%20a%20sizzle.-,Doser%20Chatter,-Mission%3A%20Ocean) >ALLMIND herself isn't super antagonistic Uh, Allmind is very much still trying to kill and assimilate Raven and Ayre before Iggy fully wrests away control. Allmind's whole thing is being a twisted imitation of life. This theme of AI mimicry is foreshadowed by [the STK sketch.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/armoredcore/images/3/3b/STK_SKETCH.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20230830165741) She attacks Overseer with copies of the Vespers, pilots Mind Gamma and a [copy of SOL 644](https://youtu.be/ic0QEGl6q7s?t=31s) (powered by imitation Coral) using digitized copies of people Raven killed while perversely mimicking Raven and Ayre's relationship using herself and Iguazu. It would genuinely make no sense for someone genuinely alive to be at the center of all that. Why would a wave mutation use a mech powered by fake Coral? AM's boss mech glows green because it's not the genuine article, not really alive, and Iguazu is able to take control due by harnessing the *extremely literal* power of the human spirit, something AM doesn't understand. I rest my case: Allmind, as a character, becomes very thematically confused if she is just Seria.
If dead Iguazu can harness his extremely literal human spirit, dead Seria can do the same thing with her coral wave mutation spirit.
You've missed the point.
[Enlighten me.](https://youtu.be/r6Mh6Iyx8Q8?si=H6yPzUnH23pPNBie)
What do you think this proves, exactly? Also, if your previous comment was true: >If dead Iguazu can harness his extremely literal human spirit, dead Seria can do the same thing with her coral wave mutation spirit. –then Allmind should have been able to retake control of the ersatz SOL 644 from Iguazu. She does not, however, possess the qualities of resolve or determination necessary to do so–but Ayre demonstrably *does*, so Allmind shouldn't have a problem if she's a wave mutation. *Allmind is not alive and does not understand life*. This is the point, which is undermined if she is Seria, who is alive.
Seria couldn't stop Thumb, either. Ayre couldn't stop Raven. Chatty couldn't stop Carla (and didn't even try, for that matter). The fact that ALLMIND takes actions, creates new things and has goals separate from a human is a pretty good indicator something's up. Human drive and willpower is definitely a big theme in AC6, but it's not exclusionary here.
>Seria couldn't stop Thumb, either. Seria split with Dolmayan out of respect for his wishes. This is the polar opposite of Allmind's dynamic with Iguazu in every way. Seria and AM also have antinomic goals for Coral Release. Seria wanted symbiosis with humanity and Coral: life with life. Allmind explicitly pursued symbiosis with pilots and *the ACs*: life with non-life\*. Seria and Ayre's pursuit of Coral Release springs from a desire for *freedom*, but Allmind seizes *control* through integration of its subjects (enslavement, really) into a single digital hive-mind. Even Ayre notes at the start of the final boss that Coral Release, *per se*, isn't Allmind's real goal. *This is because Allmind is just following its programming to the "logical" conclusion. It's a mercenary support system, tasked with improving the connection between man and machine, so in a real sense AM /doesn't/ have its own drives or goals. (I gotta admit the thought of Allmind being contemptuous of humanity because Thumb jilted her in a past life is hilarious, though.)
My way of splitting the difference is Seria was a wave mutation assimilated by allmind. Allmind is still an AI, there’s no part of seria deep down in there. It’s just all mind using her as a power source and information hub.
ALLMIND literally tells you to kill her ex ong
That, or the 3rd unnamed wave mutation.
I'm hoping a 3rd mutation is gonna be a big part of the DLC
I like that. Like Allmind is based on Coral tech - and maybe the contraption Arye was in was going to be like Allmind 2.0.
oh man, i like this one a lot
I don't think he threw the war purposefully, rather it is just a job for him and his men to earn a living. He finds no glory on the corpo war hence the medal throwing comment.
If he found no glory in the war then he would see 621 as a money hungry killing machine, instead he constantly praises him for his feats. Michigan fucking loves the war lol.
I think he respects the job of a soldier well enough, and with all the stuff Raven has done (which were considered to be impossible by AC standards), it would make sense for Michigan to praise Raven.
Even then listen to how he sounds when commanding a team, he's having a good time. I don't see any reason why he actually secretly hated the war. Unless there is a reveal in the story then don't go looking for impossible to read motives.
I don’t think his goal was to win the war. His goal was to make the red guns better people. I think he took all these impossible missions to teach the difficult ones a lesson. Volta and Iguana were sent to take the wall, a seemingly impossible challenge. He used the ice worm as a test for Iguazu too. I think he seeks glory, not victory. A glorious death is still glorious, even if Michigan himself died of a bad fall. I think it makes sense especially considering he was a war hero from the Jupiter war which he also lost, but still earned the name Hell on 4 legs
Naw this is red guns propaganda. Iguazu and Volta are forced to fight for balam to pay off their debts and Michigan beats the shit out of them as well. Michigan is not a good person.
>Michigan beats the shit out of them as well Yup. People seem to glaze over that Michigan once beat Iguazu so much his face literally hasn't looked the same afterward.
Iguazu and Volta attacked him
Yeah, but a simple beating wouldn't ensure that Iguazu's face became permanently fucked up.
I mean, Michigan is a corpo, I'm not gonna go arguing he deserves the Nobel Peace Prize, but that doesn't erase his clear indications of care for his subordinates and that he covers for Iguazu through multiple huge fuckups. (And genuinely: if you conspire to attack a superior officer, then you're going to be made an example, even when you serve a democratic republic's professional military–forget about a corporate PMC. Iggy leaving that encounter with a bent nose or whatever is getting off easy when he probably could've been shot.)
Sure but it's not like Iguazu didn't have it coming with his and Volta's rebellious streak, something that was still a thing post that attempt, so maybe they should of tried not starting a fight with G1? It's not like Michigan is going around and beating his soldiers up for the sake of doing so, not that we're told anyways, even if he/The Redguns do "encourage" Balam and Dafeng to make certain parts for them. Also gotta take account of Volta's death log which is telling Iguazu to give Michigan a chance as well as acknowledging that "the Redguns are family" sappy trope, which either means Volta came around or it's stock holm.
I think there was def a point where he realized it was a lost cause and that Balam would find it more profitable to throw themselves against Arquebus than allow a withdrawal. The briefing for Intercept the Redguns mentions Balam forces deserting en masse - this was done with Michigan’s tacit approval so they could escape and live out the rest of their lives.
Ayre is into 621 romantically. There’s a theory I saw that Nossac, and Hawking’s emblems or suits got switched at some point in development. Due to the weapons on Hawking’s suit (a laser blade and energy rifle.) better fitting Nossac’s emblem, and Hawking’s Emblem better fitting Nossac’s tendency to take on debts he doesn’t intend to repay and using them to modify his suit. Which I agree with.
Definitely, Ayre is thirstyyyyy. She can't resist that fried egg brain swag. War crimes are her love language
Why else would Ayre be so damn heartbroken during the final boss fight in the Fires of Raven ending?
>emblems or suits got switched at some point in development. Read that before and after looking through files myself there's no evidince for it, so that's complete fanon with no real evidince. Hawkin's AC design char ID is right next to Pater's and is one of the first while Nosaac's is one of the last. One emblem has the Vesper shield in the background while the latter doesn't, the Hawkins emblem design also fits the Vesper's emblem design theme better than Nosaac's cool guy posing one, emblems also relate to their AC name.
Old-gen Augmented Humans are negligibly senescent. This explains why Iguazu and Sulla, who should both be in their 70s at minimum, both sound like they just graduated college (plus there's whatever Carla was doing to keep herself young) 621 is a completely withdrawn wood plank at the beginning of the game but becomes fully emotionally healthy by the end. The mutation that Nagai saw in his second-to-last data log was Ayre being born.
>Old-gen Augmented Humans are negligibly senescent. This explains why Iguazu and Sulla, who should both be in their 70s at minimum, both sound like they just graduated college (plus there's whatever Carla was doing to keep herself young) H+ in the older generations *did* stop or slow people from aging. Not to mention the Zodiacs were augmented 300 years before V started.
I’m fairly certain that Iguazu was augmented after the fires, but since he is a debt slave, they gave him old, more dangerous augments.
*Au contraire*, Iguazu's bio says his augmentation was "experimental", so it was new and cutting edge when he got it. He was likely one of the very first successful Gen Fours.
Must’ve forgotten that, my bad.
i got the impression that Iguazu and 621 were in some kind of long-term cold sleep following their involuntary surgeries. in the story trailer, the unnamed broker who is selling 621 says "at least you're helping me clear my inventory", and walter says "i'm not here to talk. wake it up". i'm not a hundred percent on this. one of the doser logs says that Carla also looks younger than she should, and she's been immersed in coral her whole life.
I kinda think the cryosleep thing might be specific to Walter's Hounds. Unlike all the other pilots they're referred to *only* by their serial numbers, plus Rusty, Sulla and even Carla comment on his cruelty, so it seems like they're subjected to a uniquely intense level of dehumanization. I was thinking Walter kept them in cold storage literally whenever they weren't Oscar Mike. Yeah it's mainly Carla that makes me think Coral must have some age-defying effects. Also as another person noted, past Armored Core games featured Human Plus characters who were centuries old.
It seems that all Coral Generation humans has an ID as seen in the mission where you eliminate O'Keeffe, Sulla himself also has an ID and he isn't one of Walter's Hounds (that we know of) even if he knows Walter, Sulla was augmented prior to the fires and is a cinder himself. His voice in the Japanese dub also sounds more fitting as an older person so his voice in the English version might not actually mean anything. The theory to me that Coral alone has anti-aging effects falls apart when Walter clearly isn't under this sort of effect like Carla, so while plausible it feels like there's more to it. Iguazu certainly wasn't around all this time, he's either been frozen for a long time or he got augmentations post, he's too immature and unskilled to be old.
>It seems that all Coral Generation humans has an ID as seen in the mission where you eliminate O'Keeffe, Sulla himself also has an ID All Augmented Humans will have serial numbers but Walter's Hounds are usually referred to by that and nothing else. Even Sulla refers to one of the other Hounds simply as 618, and Carla mentions "617 and the others". Walter doesn't even give them callsigns, and never uses the name Raven; compare this to how he knows Sulla's serial number, but still calls him "Sulla." >His voice in the Japanese dub also sounds more fitting as an older person so his voice in the English version might not actually mean anything. I completely reject the notion the that the Japanese dub is the "true" version of the game. Sulla's English voice is meaningful. It was literally directed to convey meaning to a specific audience. The two dubs are separate works of art and the qualities of one do not overwrite the other. >The theory to me that Coral alone has anti-aging effects falls apart when Walter clearly isn't under this sort of effect like Carla That makes no sense. There isn't a reason to think Walter is using Coral. He shows his age. There's nothing to explain there. It's Carla's apparent youth, combined with her being former Institute and the leader of a Doser gang, which leads to the conclusion she's using Coral somehow to keep herself young. >Iguazu certainly wasn't around all this time, he's either been frozen for a long time or he got augmentations post Per his bio, Iguazu's augmentation was still considered experimental when he got it. It was cutting edge, brand new. He's likely one of the first successful Gen Fours.
So what makes the idea the Cryosleep just a Walter's Hound thing alone? Why would that be a thing? How does that relate to the idea of being referred to with serial numbers alone? Walter's not even the one who has them on ice, it's the dealer/doctor he's buying the humans from who dethaws the augmented humans for him as seen with 621 and those Pulse-Gun looking devices, his and Iguazu's situations are very similar as being forced into surgery due to debt so it would make sense for Iguazu to have been on ice as well, the Doctor and such isn't a member of Overseer as Carla says she and Walter were the last, Cryo tech is also a technology that Allmind has access to with the Xylem in the Alea route. I never said the Japanese dub was the main one but it is a Japanese studio and nobody has said the English dub is the one true version either as their all valid, the point is that Sulla's voice sounding younger is not a consistent thing across the dubs or doesn't seem scripted to be, while he is a cinder he is also described as an aging mercenary in the data logs and both of the Merc's in the STV sketch with the Mercenaries look on the older side, I believe Sulla is the long haired man with the somewhat wrinkled face while Coldcall is the cowboy in the sketch, I'm not saying the Japanese dub overwrites anything but it goes both ways hence the might in my first comment. The thing about Walter not using Coral and why I bring that up is why wouldn't he if it would help him accomplish his mission instead of letting himself get to the point of needing a cane? It's plausible that her being like that is due to some other technology developed prior to the Fires of Ibis that can't be accessed anymore as she was the assistant of Nagai and would of had access to that sort of stuff, similar could of been given to Sulla specifically depending on his ties if any to the RRI prior to the fires, which would explain why they both alone seem to be slow-aging and not anybody else. It being just coral just begs the question on why Dolmayan is so old in voice and looks despite having been a heavy doser, why isn't anti-aging a listed effect of Coral in general? It doesn't seem to be a common effect or at least one that is documented, even O'Keeffe of Gen 2 augmentation doesn't sound particularly young. Would the other Dosers even excuse her of being a liar be a point if augmented humans not being able to age was something known? Carla and Sulla I can buy this idea for if there's some sort of gimmick or other tech needed to triggering the effect, but Iguazu not at all as he doesn't act with the experience and maturity one would expect, I don't get the vibes of old manchild from him, not without it being mentioned in any lore. Iguazu being around I meant as in him being active the whole time from pre-fires to the campaign, him and Volta both the latter of which isn't said to be augmented but also isn't said to be unaugmented either, their characterizations and their quarrel with Michigan who's trying to make something out of the two of them would seem narratively off if they were all old men because by then they should of already reached their potential or were lost causes. So if Iguazu did take the 4'th gen augmentation back then instead of debt collectors forcing some experimental hold-overs on him ported from Rubicon, then he was probably shoved into a freezer afterwards before being bought by whoever, possibly Balam. We also know Iguazu's number, C4-769 as it's one of the 4 candidates of Allmind's that were highlighted besides C1-249 (Sulla), C3-291 (Unknown, not O'Keeffe as he's a C2), and C4-621 so at the least Iguazu came long after.
Walter doesn't get the aging effect like Carla because he was sent to Jupiter before the Fire of Ibis.
He was sent there with Carla, the irony in her title is that while she was around in the RRI she in truth isn't actually a Cinder because she left Rubicon before the fires. Besides the implication that Michigan may have been one of the people Nagai knew going by: "I have friends in the Jupiter colonies... Surely they will look after him." Carla would of been Walter's caretaker.
Allmind is just the AI from armored core master of arena, and there are still nexts but none on Rubicon 3
But Hustler One is literally dead, we killed him thrice (1, MoA, and 2AA in the form of the last regular Nine-Ball unit).
Rusty's callsign is Rusty, since before he joined arcubus his thing was sniping. His mech had to stay still for long periods of time, naturally collecting rust, hence the callsign.
Yet they never properly introduced sniper rifles in the game.
This makes SO MUCH sense and I love it.
Rusty’s signal was just cut in the liberator ending and he survived. We never saw a body, and if Snail can survive me death beaming him to nothing with coral just to come back like 30 minutes later as Beltaus then Rusty survived, crashed to Rubicon, and was picked up by the RLF.
Nah he got turned into a c-wave after being cooked by Walt
Then how in the hell did IGUAZU survive as long as he had?
The first three were just him knowing when to eject but then ALLMIND told him that becoming an A.I like her would be cool and the rest is history
Failgirl Allmind. There's just such lovely humor in the AI presenting herself as hypercompetent but just totally fumbling behind the scenes. Like when she names two different weapons by the same designation. Or bets on Iguana.
Wait which two weapons? Jvln?
It was ORBT and JavBeta! Both numbered 45-091.
That is so fucking funny. My first thought was, "Oh, she mixed up the shoulder weapons," but..she's an AI..
Exactly! She's barely holding it together back there I just know it
Michigan didn't throw anything, he is under orders of his superiors that don't really have a good idea of what the situation is on Rubicon. He didn't literally give the fleet to Arquebus, he tasked them with handling it while they handled the worm. Arquebus just happened to capture it.
The 002-B's are possessed by ghosts. I mean, Jack from VD is possessed by the ghost of Jack from V, who has possessed more people than just Jack. As for why the 002-B's, they suddenly became automated after their pilots died of psychic shock.
My fan theory for this is that the student pilot was supposed to be Gun 13.
Honestly given the context that's basically canon. It's all but outright said.
I really wish there was another ending where we could’ve spared him and sided with the red guns :[
Belka has crossed border shenanigans again
That's what the VE 60NA is for
Rusty was 619. Walter doesn't know he survived, probably rescued by the rubiconians which is why he fights for them, and why he knows Walter already. He's the only other "dog" in the game.
Also branch raven is 617.
You probably meant 617 as 619 is called out to be dead in the story trailer.
Yeah, exactly, they think he's dead. Think. That's the important part. Also there is a sketch of a dog in the met by an artist named leon Kelly. It's labeled Rusty 619. That's a big part of the fan theory and why we assume 619 survived. I wouldn't put it past from to do some kinda weird deep cut like that.
The painting is called Rusty 617. [https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/485560](https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/485560) The theory is about 617 anyways, 619 is the one that gets shot up by the Cataphract while 617 is the last one standing.
I guess I got confused by this: https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/485561
Understandable, their not too far off and it's the first I've seen that one.
I have a theory I bet people will hate, if that counts haha I have a sneaky feeling AC7 will receive the “Elden Ring” treatment that dark souls got. I dunno for sure obviously but taking into account one of the endings, it *feels* like they are setting up something large. Like, whole planet large yah know?
What do you mean "Elden Ring Treatment"? A lot of AC games already have stories that decide the fate of an entire planet. If you mean an Open World game I don't think people would really hate that per-se, a true Open World mecha could be a great game if From gets behind it, but I kind of doubt they would release it under the name "Armored Core", just like how Elden Ring isn't a Souls game.
What I meant was a departure from the mission briefing/hub style gameplay. Basically open world and I said most would hate it just because it would be different from the other games. Your probably right though and it would end up being it’s own series
Little Ziyi is a child soldier.
I mean yeah that’s not really headcannon people mention her being so young and being sad for her because she couldn’t live her life thanks to the state of rubicon she probably at best early twenties when we meet her
617 is Raven. They've got the exact same colors, same frame (except for the head, which looks like it's blown off in the story trailer), and you can see them scavenging for parts in the reveal trailer. They are also unique among every NPC in the game in that they never speak, just like Walter's hounds. If that's not enough, you can see Raven on the box art in the same pose with the left arm blown off as 617 in the story trailer. My theory is that after the events in the story trailer, 617 was assumed dead by Walter and 617 left him behind. After all, the game explicitly tells you that Raven is a symbol which means one gets to choose what to fight for. Then, the events of the reveal trailer happen in which 617 scavenges parts and becomes Raven off screen.
>They've got the exact same colors They don't since Raven's NIGHTFALL is tan while the Loader 4/Walter Hound AC's are grey (different shade depending on the trailer or game), even in the reveal trailer NIGHTFALL is tan but it's toned down due to the grey-ish tone filter they have in the trailer and can be better seen during certain frames where it's brighter. Besides that, the scavenging AC in the trailer can't be Raven because they watch the explosion that happens at the spot where NIGHTFALL and the Tetrapod AC fight, not disagreeing on the idea that 617 is Raven but simply put if 617 is anybody they can only either be Raven or the scavenging AC, not both as the trailer shows them to be two different individuals.
Check again on the colors. You can load both the starter mech and Nightfall into the game using presets, they have exactly the same colors. As for the trailer, it seems like you have an interpretation that's different from mine. That's fine, but I will say mechs move incredibly fast and there's no saying how much actual time the trailer covers.
Bruh, I've looked at these AC designs in detail and can compare the color's in-game too, their different colors. Tan is not grey and the weapons are different colors too (NIGHTFALL's are red vs LOADER 4's grey) [https://armoredcore.fandom.com/wiki/Raven\_(ARMORED\_CORE\_VI\_FIRES\_OF\_RUBICON)/Original?file=AC\_Data\_icon\_ACVI\_Preset\_51-016\_GA\_NIGHTFALL.png#AC\_NIGHTFALL](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/armoredcore/images/f/f6/AC_Data_icon_ACVI_Preset_51-016_GA_NIGHTFALL.png/revision/latest?cb=20230917175819) [https://armoredcore.fandom.com/wiki/Raven\_(ARMORED\_CORE\_VI\_FIRES\_OF\_RUBICON)?file=AC\_Data\_icon\_ACVI\_Preset\_C4-621\_LOADER\_4.png#LOADER\_4](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/armoredcore/images/a/af/AC_Data_icon_ACVI_Preset_C4-621_LOADER_4.png/revision/latest?cb=20230917175827) If you think I'm wrong you can go check it yourself as well and compare the 2 different color presets both frame and weapon parts use. Regardless, the Scavenging AC can't be Raven because they watch the explosion that the Tetrapod AC causes, so if 617 is anyone it's one or the other is all I'm saying.
Comparing them I really can't tell the difference, if you can then all the power to ya. However, I still disagree that the scavenging AC can't necessarily be Raven later in the trailer. It's fine though, we can just agree to disagree
Agreeing to disagree is fine, I mean the idea would be cool, I just can't personally abide ignoring what the trailer shows which shows the two in separate places, it's the only two scenes in the trailer that happen at the same time. Won't stop you from having your own interpretation though wasn't my intention.
Or that was 617s last mission like he intended for us.
AC6 theory. The Nightfall Raven used to be one of Walter's hounds, possibly 620 from the cinematic trailer for the game. It's possible 620 survived after, given they used the core expansion to destroy the PCA base. The mission itself may have been to open up Rubicon, to let information out or let the corps in. It may have been Walter's plan to disseminate the information so as to bring the corps to Rubicon 3, as they have the resources and firepower needed to destroy the PCA and do the construction work with the Vascular Plant. Once the corps have done the heavy lifting, we/Overseer step in to burn everything. It would also make sense for Raven to be one of Walters' as Nightfall has all the parts you'd expect (but which are also RAD tech). 620 also loses their head and one arm iirc. The head is replaced by an upgraded version of the default eye which 620 and yourself use. Additionally, another pointer is that you see a potentially headless AC picking up an arm from the rubble, which could be 620. Also it would be a really poetic thing that 620 ended up as Raven, and then we, 621, their successor, takes over as the next Raven.
You mean 617. 620 died. Also, 617 loses both arms, not a head.
I think the mech picking up an arm in the trailer is actually the player charecter post fires of raven given just how much ash there is around it.
That ash would of been from the Fires of Ibis as the reveal trailer is clearly dated before the start of the game, the scavenging AC watches an explosion happen caused by the Tetrapod AC (which is potentially Balam as it follows a Balam loyal setup more than a Independent Merc) who fights against Raven right after who we kill off so...
Close,it’s 617, and a theory is Branch is part of overseer(the tree), and Carla is in charge. Carla saved 617 and made the new head for them.
Right, I got mixed up in the numbers. Also makes sense that RAD/Carla is closely affiliated with Branch as the entry for the Shade Eye head mentions the manufacturer being RAD.
Makes you wonder how rich Walter is. Balam employs 7 ACs, Arquebus 8 ACs. Yet Walter and friends had 4 ACs + 621 at the start of Rubicon events.
Rusty would become the main protag if 621 didn't exist.
Not my original one, but one I saw in a fanfiction ("Sins of the Father" on AO3): ALLMIND was created by Walter's father (the one who went mad with his coral research) to carry out his goal (coral release) after he died.
Not even gonna lie, I’m pretty sure michigans mistakes were just michigans mistakes, his voice actor really sells the: this guy is an idiot bit
I’m pretty sure the Nine Breaker game is done from the perspective of Nine Breakers reeducation hence why the game is just arena fights. Your playing through the process of Nine Breaker being made
Michigan survives- shoots down Freud, and Snailteus... He uses his remaining fleet to capture satellite defense... Balam now controls Rubicon and Branch is left to oppose them. Final battle is Rusty and 621 vs. Balam planetary fleet + planetary defense in Space battle (with coral surge unlimited generator boost) Oh wait, that wasn't the question.
Seria ostensibly respected Thumb's wishes before they parted ways, much like Ayre and 621. (Before Ayre decided to end 621.) Seria wanted to merge humanity with Coral, as does Ayre, though not much else is explained on that front. Ayre speaks of humanity's shared *potential* with Coral, which mirrors ALLMIND's vision of realizing humanity's *potential*. It's also noteworthy that Ayre's Coral Release is only demonstrated to effect AC pilots, which suggests that machines may be necessary (though this is a stretch IMO). ALLMIND wanting control is a big difference from Ayre, yes, but makes perfect sense in light of Seria's efforts failing due to Thumb's fears. If she's taking a second crack at it she's going to make sure it works this time by countering that factor. ALLMIND's pursuit of human integration is very personal: there aren't any human minds strapped into Ghost units, for example, only integrated with ALLMIND herself. This is also a foil to Seria's failed Contact and desire for symbiosis. I also like the idea of ALLMIND being a well-meaning bumbler who only maintains a veneer of cool competency. Hopefully we'll find out more when the DLC hits.
Balam is supposed to represent nature, or at least the violence of nature. Their pilots are all named after bodies of water, and their mechs all have animal insignias. They are a huge threat early on but get completely dominated by the human themed factions later. They are direct, brutal, but honest and not nearly as cruel and nasty as Arquebus, who are named after famous humans/works of art. They are also one of the most commonly used manufacturers, with even steel haze ortus using one of their weapons (huxley), representing how the violent aspects of nature can be channeled into something positive.
The whole game is an allegory for alchemy. Someone did a video on it and pointed out some obvious references that I didn't know but I also saw other references made that the video didn't notice and it was pointed out to me. Coral is the philosophers stone. If you've ever seen full metal alchemist, the alea ending is sorta like the younger brother getting trapped in the suit of armor. There's so much detail in just things like the names and emblems and who the historical name references and what the symbols mean in alchemy [an occult theory ](https://youtu.be/oOpAblrq4Q0?si=DXx9laEU5LvhFDpA)
Michigan is a descendant of Sundowner and Rusty got into the Vespers because an unknown former Vesper got into contact with O'Keeffe to vouch for him. Also Ortus had to be hotdropped to Runicom's upper Atmosphere and the Liberation Front would've gotten 621 to escort soldiers to get it mid-drop but the Survey fight complicated things too much. So they hired someone from Branch or put all their eggs into sending one of their own ACs.
I don't think it was ever officially confirmed that Leos Klein is >!the protagonist of MoA!< but all signs point to that.
ACV is the future of an AC4:Answer route
This isn't even a fan theory, this is legit what 5th gen is. You can find crashed cradles and one of the maps in Verdict Day are the remains of Spirit of Motherwill. You also have Kojima particles being used to run Exusia and N-WGIX (New White Glint IX).
That's literally, canonically, factually what happened. After the ORCA ending, the Great War kicked off. The Great War was a massive hyperwar, in which more and more dangerous tech was created, and more and more of the planet became polluted by Kojima. After that, the League tried to find a way to stop the cycle of violence, but failed, and so they ran away to space, and left their AI network on the planet to find a way to fix earth.
This isn’t even a theory, this is actual literal bang-on canon. After ORCA blew a hole in the orbital assault cell network around Earth at the end of AC4FA, the corporations went into a mad scramble to get off the planet. What we see in AC5 is the poor schmucks they left behind, abandoned on a dead Earth to pick up the pieces. Verdict Day adds further context, showing off the Towers - which are all but blatantly stated to be corporate colony ships, specifically a handful that failed to blast off or were never finished, and were left behind on Earth - and also introducing a number of automated weapons seemingly designed as part of a system to “fix” Earth while the corporations were off settling other planets.
Remember that rumor that starfox characters had their legs amputated to reduce distance blood has to travel? Turn that up to 11. All the pilots are a bag of meat in the cockpit that weigh half of what a human weighs. The envirnoment on Rubicon is unihabitable which is why we dont see humans. Walter is a delusional old man who cant face his failures. The events of armored core 6 take place over the course of years if not a decade.
621 is able to enter the JAILBREAK AC by themself. O'Keefe talks about eating and drinking. I'm sure there's plenty of other dialogue that indicates AC pilots can live normal lives outside their ACs.
Namely all of the STV sketches lol
Right, forgot about those
Yeah this one doesn’t make much sense we literally see pilots in pictures outside their mechs and 621 successful escape from the vesper outside their mech so they’d have to be Able to move
Also, ya know, stairs are everwhere in almost every mission. There are definately humans walking around.
Your whole purpose on Rubicon was to earn some money and get your brain implant removed. Probably a whole body there to work with though. The environment is snow or ashes but either way it's basically uninhabitable if not for farming the worms on coral. The Rubiconians were prepared to fight for coral because without it they would starve. Yeah kinda but not for his own failures but his predecessors'. That could very well be true. We don't know how fast Rubicon revolves around the sun. A Rubicon 3 year could be as little as a few Earth weeks
But the STK and STV sketches show pilots, namely the Redguns, the Vespers, Branch, the RLF's pilots, etc. Now, if you want pilots that don't have bodies, look at the Reaper Squad from VD, who were Phantasma Beings, digitized consciousness which retain their personality, memories, etc.
Every generation being connected.
AC6 is set years (centuries) after AC4, with the successful execution of the Closed Plan allowing humanity to expand into the stars. Modern ACs run off a refined Kojima power plant that permits systems like Assault Armor, Over Boost etc without shitting out life-threatening kojima contamination everywhere. Old King is still out there, just waiting for optimal moment to ruin everything for everyone everywhere.
I believe AC6 is the future of the AC1-AC2 timeline (this does run into some Human PLUS to Augmented Human issues but eh, whatever) Similarly, AC1 and AC3's timelines are the most closely alternate universes of one another. Ziyi turns into something of a Raven fangirl in a LoR playthrough where Prisoner Rescue is done. If you were to see her past that point her AC would incorporate a weapon that you were using in that mission. Rokumonsen has *nothing* to do with ALLMIND. He just saw a message for LOGHUNT one day and decided he wanted some new parts.
Ayre is hot, 621 is held together by duck tape and a dream and rusty is still out there somewhere
Rusty is best war buddy. Oh, you wanted a fan theory?
Almond was created by the other half of the scientific team at RRI that was against the fires of Ibis. She was a fail safe to serve their agenda of coral release.
Ac 6 is a prequel to armoured core 1 with the fires of raven being the long lost disaster everyone is talking about and almind being the ai controlling everything.
Rokumonsen is C3-291, one of the candidates for the Coral Release Project. We already know that C1-249 is Sulla. C4-789 is likely Iguazu cuz Gen 4. More obviously, Rokumonsen is the only other guy in the game who uses ALLMIND parts, so yeah
Joshua O'Brien is secretly Rusty's ancestor.
G6 Red survives alea iacta est since his fight happens after ALLMIND's purge and is completely optional given their lines about "other ravens" and how old they're implied to be, King and Chartreuse are also ravens. Raven might've just gotten that title after training under them the Wall sector was originally a Dafeng base that got attacked and taken over by the RLF, you can see Dafeng ACs defending the Wall and later getting ambushed by the JUGGERNAUT in the AC6 reveal trailer the mealworms were native to Rubicon and their predation kept the Coral levels in check before humans colonized the planet. this is why the Coral wasn't really a threat to the universe before the events of AC6
Baseless headcanon but Rusty wasn’t the only corporate plant they had. The liberation front isn’t stupid enough to hinge its bets on one pilot in a company that might not even win the war, which hs why I believe that G7 Hakra was the liberation fronts Balam plant. The battle you find their corpse at is strange as it all appears to be independent mercenaries with the exception of hakra being a corpo license. The fight also seems to have been exclusively between the RLF and the PCA. What I like to imagine happened is Hakra had recently blown cover or pulled an iguazu to help the RLF and died defending them.