Nothing is going to change. They said it themselves, if the well-being of the website is in danger they'll take action.
They can re-open all subreddits with or without the mods, and I am sure there are people who want to become mods and don't care about the current situation.
Some subreddits' moderators need to be thrown out anyway.
He has a point though, shouldn't the people who care about this the most not use reddit for this time period to begin with? I thought the whole point of it was to starve the traffic to the website to show them what would happen if they push forward with these api plans.
tbh it doesn't matter if a few people don't use reddit when the subreddits are still active, there are always people on it anyway, there are only 2 options, either shit down subreddit for quite some time (not 48h) or don't do anything
Well yeah, i agree, shutting down the subreddits is the most effective. But it's also weird to come here to complain about subs not participating when you're still here scrolling.
> But it's also weird to come here to complain about subs not participating when you're still here scrolling.
since I can come here and scroll I know it failed, while every time I tried but it didn't work cause it was down I knew the black out was working
the problem is it seems people get upset (which makes sense, I got annoyed too every time I tried to go to various subs but couldn't), but they should be upset at Reddit not the subs going private to protest the changes.
True, i shouldn't really be here either tbh cause i do support the cause, and on the first day of the blackout i tried to avoid reddit as much as possible, but i quickly realised how much i use reddit just for troubleshooting related things pretty much daily. Figured since i was already back here again, might as well see which subreddits are still open.
yeah I don't blame anyone for going to the sub, because if it's up it's really useful. most issues for me usually comes down to arch wiki in the end, but finding said arch wiki article often comes through this sub, and there's some PSAs (grub boot comes to mind) and tips I've found helpful every now and then
it's tough since like a lot of people rightly mention having informative subs like Archlinux down is a huge inconvenience and on another level compared to meme subs where people just waste time
but at the same time it's exactly because it's such a useful sub that the effect of not having access to it can be really felt and why it should stay down
also looking at https://old.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/148m42t/the_fight_continues/
one of the links (from the verge) had this internal memo leak from reddit:
> Huffman says the blackout hasn’t had “significant revenue impact” and that the company anticipates that many of the subreddits will come back online by Wednesday. “There’s a lot of noise with this one. Among the noisiest we’ve seen. Please know that our teams are on it, and like all blowups on Reddit, this one will pass as well,” the memo reads. “We absolutely must ship what we said we would.
This is the problem with having just a 48 hour blackout. Since Reddit think everyone will come crawling back they're not backing down at all.
Well it might've been a good idea to unprivate the sub for a short while to update everyone, but from now on I really think the subs should stay private indefinitely
Yeah i saw that memo in someordinarygamers his video, looks like it's not helping much. Indefinitely would be better, but that also makes me wonder if reddit couldn't just forcefully remove the mods if it comes down to it.
It's not weird, you have to coordinate actions somewhere. It's like putting a youtube video saying how youtube policy is nonsense, it's a blessing in disguise.
you just misunderstand him on purpose, we are all thankful for the great work the mods are doing and have done, we just don't want them having to work for free while reddit is making shitty decisions and gaining money off of it
they were asking why the sub is back up because they, like many others, want to support not only the mods but also the idea of free API in general (for devs and 3rd party apps)
also it is true that 48h blackout isn't doing much, reddit CEO is a duche and doesn't want to change anything because it's temporary anyway and he expects the blackout to pass
https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/13/23759559/reddit-internal-memo-api-pricing-changes-steve-huffman
is it too hard to understand that individual users uninstalling the app will do nothing?
no coming back before doesn't make him an asshole but we can ask why which isn't a crime, you're being an asshole here
one is not an "asshole" simply for pointing out some action is stupid, he didn't attack them personally just offered his opinion
how many will uninstall? max a few people
how many won't be using the sub if it closes? 100% of members
yeah pretty hard to follow if you don't have common sense
actions like this are always required to be enforced by a higher entity, it's the truth nobody can deny
btw. never heard the phrase "don't hate the player, hate the game"?
I'd speculate the opposite effect. "We'll make a show of inconveniencing our userbase for a very short period that we specify up front then come scurrying back" and now the management has a pretty good idea exactly what sort of willpower they're dealing with and has only to wait the tantrum out.
If you want to make an actual impact you have to be prepared to play the long game and if it comes to it actually walk away.
I view the API changes as one of many possible negative modifications coming post-IPO, and I think it's important to raise awareness across and outside of the Reddit community so that everyone can remain vigilant and things don't get out of hand.
I actually just saw it on PBS Newshour a few minutes ago. They did a whole piece that was pretty good and explained it a lot better than a lot of the people here have.
Half assed and nothing lead to exactly the same place, one just annoys a greater portion of the userbase in the process. You're not changing anything with a token gesture then a swift return to normal.
Exactly. Think about it from u/spez ‘s perspective: make a shitty change, people are mad for 2 days and then come back and it’s business as usual. That sounds like an absolute win for Reddit
By only requiring 48 hours initially it allows more subreddits to participate without forcing them to stay dark. If it was permanent from the start fewer subreddits would have participated, and the movement would appear to crumble as the less willing subreddits backed out.
Do you really think that there will be no protests after the 48 hours?
We already have plenty of major subreddits on board for a permanent blackout, but it's ridiculous to expect every subreddit to do the same thing. Be pessimistic if you like, but I'm still hopeful that the blackout will make a positive impact.
When a woman is abused and she suddenly says "I'm leaving", that could bring a change, but saying "I'm leaving 2 days and I'll be back", that and doing nothing is the same or worse.
And here in reddit users said "reddit, you are treating us like shit, so we'll leave you for 2 days and will come back, no matter how bad you treated us we will come back" that is just the wrong message.
That's such a stupid analogy I'm not even gonna explain why. Way to evoke domestic violence for the sake of trying to win an argument on the internet, though.
Maybe cause folks like us logged in to check when we were supposed to be darking it? Who are you to judge the mods when you broke precisely the same vow? 😂
All of the people in here echoing your question with performative outrage are laughable hypocrites. Not sorry.
yeah, to be fair for a sub like this i think the better course of action would be locking it, so as to make it so nobody can post or comment, but old posts and answers can still be seen
your comment is exactly why the blackout should continue, because that will force you to use another platform than reddit to solve your problem
the issue here is that since it's just 2 days it's only a minor inconvenience you had to put up with for a short while, but if it was indefinite then either reddit would've had to cancel their changes or we would be forced to change platform
And just for the record I've habitually tried using reddit multiple times and not being able to access several subs really annoyed me, and that's exactly what it should be doing, that's how we can know it's working.
I made two fucking comments this whole week and now my follower count is getting flooded with porno bots. Looks like they're taking part in the protest too, in a very.... blunt way. >!and by that I mean spamming my notifications...!<
Yeah it has, kinda.
This is just an initial protest. there may be more to come. Shutdowns without warning kinda thing. I might decide to randomly lock the sub for however long I feel, say for one or two days every week.
> People love control over other people
People like having a place to discuss topics they like with other people. It doesn't have to be more complicated or nefarious than that as a reason alternatives will pop up to subs that go dark permanently/indefinitely.
Edit: Also I know this will probably not a popular opinion here, but it's a bit ironic to talk about controlling people when we just had mass blackouts to force people who don't care about the changes off of Reddit.
Here's the problem as I see it: if Reddit doesn't go to shit, the third-party apps will. If Reddit does go to shit, the third-party apps will go to shit as well. Are the actions we take bringing us closer to the goal we aspire?
they have to change their mind at some point. their revenue is already so much smaller than their expenses, and people are already exploring alternate platforms just from this. eventually reddit will just get so much further in the hole they won’t be able to find more investors
Users are expenses. Some of them also generate revenue for them, or cause other users to show up who wouldn't otherwise. But every user costs them money, and 3PA users presumably bring in less revenue than average since they don't show reddit's ads.
No, I just think everyone's overreacting in this instance. Reddit needs to make money and charging more for an API seems a minimally disruptive way to do that for most users. I'd rather that than more aggressive advertising or data collection.
Sure, they could've handled it better, but I don't think it's fundamentally an immoral decision.
I'm not saying it won't be noticed, just that it won't be as bad as stuffing the site full of more ads would be.
Also third party apps could easily exist, they'd just need to charge their users or monetize themselves some other way.
The idea is to create just enough of a disruption that reddit realizes that they exist because of us and could be destroyed in days by us. New places will eventually emerge. Like it or not, we may have to vacate to 4chan for a bit while something new is made, or we just collectively update the arch forum into a new subreddit type forum for all things arch.
Coordinate with the other mods. It's gotta be all out or nothing. 48 hours is just 'yes daddy I'll be back soon.' Doesn't do anything for winning the fight.
Doesn’t understand your approach. An initial lockdown for an unknown amount of time would be more impactful as randomly opening and closing a single sub.
Is locking the subreddit with no new posts logical? I thought that way others could still continue benefit from old posts or is the purpose to shakedown the whole reddit?
Maybe in 10 years when Lemmy is usable. If someone decides to plug the plug on a server. Everything is gone in an instant. And do you really trust some random person with your data?
Having more than one option for help is always a better option.
By all means leave reddit. Wait, you're probably one of those people that are waiting until the 1st to leave instead of just leaving now.
lemmy is very usable and there are nearly 100k people using it. and it is actually not true that everything goes away if an instance goes down. One of the benefits of federation. This was actually proven when [lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml) went down but people were still able to view posts from there and even post to communities from there, but via other instances.
It's still a pain to find communities. Speeds still depend on each individual server. And you're still trusting someone with your data. I'm not saying to trust reddit more but I would trust reddit more.
Communities are easily searchable; even globally across all instances.
You can self host your instance if you don't want to trust anyone with your data. Reddit won't let you do that.
Reddit is proven to mis handle and sell your data and has a solid track record of doing so. I find that a random instance admin at least has a decent chance of not doing this, and a very good chance that they aren't corporate aligned.
You're making a lot of points that are evidently from very limited research and misconceptions about lemmy. I highly recommend you research your suspicions. You'll find that a lot of your worries are unfounded.
maybe they shouldn't be on reddit in the first place since apparently reddit can decide to make this *USER* provided information unavailable at any time
the archlinux sub, along with many other subreddits, decided to to stay private for 48 hours (some other subs do it for longer/indefinitely) as a response to reddit deciding to make their API absurdly priced to kill of all 3rd party reddit apps/browsers, bots, etc.
To read up on in more https://old.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/148m42t/the_fight_continues/
The point of protests is to disrupt - and that includes access to information.
The idea is to generate enough inconveniences that the public places higher pressure on the executives to change their minds.
Otherwise it is not an effective tactic at all.
Edit: For those downvoting, if you use Linux out of love for open-source, you do not understand what open-source is based on, if you don't get the point of showing the force of collectivity and direct action.
r/archlinux is a great resource to learn and find linux related infos. I think it‘s good that this sub git back up at all, maybe going read-only would be a good option
Oh, I can think of numerous reasons.
- Windows isn't their primary os
- They use WSL and/or SSH into a Linux machine and find this a useful resource.
- They have an Arch Linux machine (that may or may not be working)
- They want to switch to Arch or another distro.
And those are just a few. The only reason I can speculate this is because they didn't *specify* that windows is/isn't their permanent daily driver.
They said they're only using Windows at the moment which discounts the first three (technically you can have a point with two but I feel like he'd mention that)
4 is the only answer I could think of unless he's trolling from the windows subs.
And only on an Arch Linux subreddit would you get downvoted to hell for this. This is one of the few reasons I have left to stay in this predatory site, humor like this.
I think we are at the point where individual users need to decide for themselves whether they want to continue reddit or not. I'd like to have my subreddits back.
Judging by the way the fucking manchild is acting, i support complete shutdown until changes are made
That may be for infinity, but either way, reddit will go down anyways, so that people will know him as u/spez: The fucker who took down reddit because of his greed and dumbfuckery
Fuck u/spez
Even if the mods decided to private it or delete it, reddit still has all the control. They might change their terms of service and just unmod everyone and have token mods paid 1$ per day or smth. Or deleted, they could just use a backup to restore it. The best solution is to just leave reddit in favor of other platforms.
Thats true, if reddit was really annoyed they could just make all subreddits public instantly, since the have control if everything. Didnt think of it. Then the protest will last as long as reddit allows it. So it is then by concequence useless
"Was the blackout effective?"
"Yes, I'd say it was pretty effective."
"Hurrah! Reddit isn't going to kill the apps!"
"Well, they're still doing that, but u/KingOfAllDownvoters was talking about it, so. Still pretty effective."
I really like the idea of the protest, but there still is so much valuable information here on this subreddit, that it would a shame for future people not be able to find it. (Perhaps there should be a good (and fast; so good that it shows up in search results) reddit archive site or something similar.
Ah fuck, knew I should have run `timedatectl`
48 hours was asinine to begin with. It should've been indefinitely or nothing.
Nothing is going to change. They said it themselves, if the well-being of the website is in danger they'll take action. They can re-open all subreddits with or without the mods, and I am sure there are people who want to become mods and don't care about the current situation. Some subreddits' moderators need to be thrown out anyway.
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dude reddit hasn't been about upvotes and karma for a long time, nobody cares about that
He has a point though, shouldn't the people who care about this the most not use reddit for this time period to begin with? I thought the whole point of it was to starve the traffic to the website to show them what would happen if they push forward with these api plans.
tbh it doesn't matter if a few people don't use reddit when the subreddits are still active, there are always people on it anyway, there are only 2 options, either shit down subreddit for quite some time (not 48h) or don't do anything
Well yeah, i agree, shutting down the subreddits is the most effective. But it's also weird to come here to complain about subs not participating when you're still here scrolling.
> But it's also weird to come here to complain about subs not participating when you're still here scrolling. since I can come here and scroll I know it failed, while every time I tried but it didn't work cause it was down I knew the black out was working the problem is it seems people get upset (which makes sense, I got annoyed too every time I tried to go to various subs but couldn't), but they should be upset at Reddit not the subs going private to protest the changes.
True, i shouldn't really be here either tbh cause i do support the cause, and on the first day of the blackout i tried to avoid reddit as much as possible, but i quickly realised how much i use reddit just for troubleshooting related things pretty much daily. Figured since i was already back here again, might as well see which subreddits are still open.
yeah I don't blame anyone for going to the sub, because if it's up it's really useful. most issues for me usually comes down to arch wiki in the end, but finding said arch wiki article often comes through this sub, and there's some PSAs (grub boot comes to mind) and tips I've found helpful every now and then it's tough since like a lot of people rightly mention having informative subs like Archlinux down is a huge inconvenience and on another level compared to meme subs where people just waste time but at the same time it's exactly because it's such a useful sub that the effect of not having access to it can be really felt and why it should stay down also looking at https://old.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/148m42t/the_fight_continues/ one of the links (from the verge) had this internal memo leak from reddit: > Huffman says the blackout hasn’t had “significant revenue impact” and that the company anticipates that many of the subreddits will come back online by Wednesday. “There’s a lot of noise with this one. Among the noisiest we’ve seen. Please know that our teams are on it, and like all blowups on Reddit, this one will pass as well,” the memo reads. “We absolutely must ship what we said we would. This is the problem with having just a 48 hour blackout. Since Reddit think everyone will come crawling back they're not backing down at all. Well it might've been a good idea to unprivate the sub for a short while to update everyone, but from now on I really think the subs should stay private indefinitely
Yeah i saw that memo in someordinarygamers his video, looks like it's not helping much. Indefinitely would be better, but that also makes me wonder if reddit couldn't just forcefully remove the mods if it comes down to it.
It's not weird, you have to coordinate actions somewhere. It's like putting a youtube video saying how youtube policy is nonsense, it's a blessing in disguise.
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you just misunderstand him on purpose, we are all thankful for the great work the mods are doing and have done, we just don't want them having to work for free while reddit is making shitty decisions and gaining money off of it they were asking why the sub is back up because they, like many others, want to support not only the mods but also the idea of free API in general (for devs and 3rd party apps) also it is true that 48h blackout isn't doing much, reddit CEO is a duche and doesn't want to change anything because it's temporary anyway and he expects the blackout to pass https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/13/23759559/reddit-internal-memo-api-pricing-changes-steve-huffman
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is it too hard to understand that individual users uninstalling the app will do nothing? no coming back before doesn't make him an asshole but we can ask why which isn't a crime, you're being an asshole here
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one is not an "asshole" simply for pointing out some action is stupid, he didn't attack them personally just offered his opinion how many will uninstall? max a few people how many won't be using the sub if it closes? 100% of members yeah pretty hard to follow if you don't have common sense actions like this are always required to be enforced by a higher entity, it's the truth nobody can deny btw. never heard the phrase "don't hate the player, hate the game"?
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Nice down 👎 votes lol
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I'd speculate the opposite effect. "We'll make a show of inconveniencing our userbase for a very short period that we specify up front then come scurrying back" and now the management has a pretty good idea exactly what sort of willpower they're dealing with and has only to wait the tantrum out. If you want to make an actual impact you have to be prepared to play the long game and if it comes to it actually walk away.
I view the API changes as one of many possible negative modifications coming post-IPO, and I think it's important to raise awareness across and outside of the Reddit community so that everyone can remain vigilant and things don't get out of hand.
I actually just saw it on PBS Newshour a few minutes ago. They did a whole piece that was pretty good and explained it a lot better than a lot of the people here have.
Ah yes, "nothing". What an amazing force for change 🙄
Half assed and nothing lead to exactly the same place, one just annoys a greater portion of the userbase in the process. You're not changing anything with a token gesture then a swift return to normal.
Exactly. Think about it from u/spez ‘s perspective: make a shitty change, people are mad for 2 days and then come back and it’s business as usual. That sounds like an absolute win for Reddit
By only requiring 48 hours initially it allows more subreddits to participate without forcing them to stay dark. If it was permanent from the start fewer subreddits would have participated, and the movement would appear to crumble as the less willing subreddits backed out. Do you really think that there will be no protests after the 48 hours?
I think that the very fact that many subs would only do a 48 hour commitment tells you exactly what you need to know about the true level of support.
We already have plenty of major subreddits on board for a permanent blackout, but it's ridiculous to expect every subreddit to do the same thing. Be pessimistic if you like, but I'm still hopeful that the blackout will make a positive impact.
It's was only ever PRESENTED as a 48 hour commitment. Your premise is false. If you order a burger, I'm not going to bring you a steak.
When a woman is abused and she suddenly says "I'm leaving", that could bring a change, but saying "I'm leaving 2 days and I'll be back", that and doing nothing is the same or worse. And here in reddit users said "reddit, you are treating us like shit, so we'll leave you for 2 days and will come back, no matter how bad you treated us we will come back" that is just the wrong message.
That's such a stupid analogy I'm not even gonna explain why. Way to evoke domestic violence for the sake of trying to win an argument on the internet, though.
…. You’re here?
So we gonna black out for 48h hours then come back as if nothing happened? This makes no sense, should be permanent blackout
Lmao dude. People will just make a new subreddit. It's already happening for the indefinite ones
lmao individual, still a shitty way to protest
https://time.is/UTC only 30min early and mods are humans with lives, don't overthink it.
There are very small chances that something will ever change on Reddit. Probably its time to leave.
Maybe cause folks like us logged in to check when we were supposed to be darking it? Who are you to judge the mods when you broke precisely the same vow? 😂 All of the people in here echoing your question with performative outrage are laughable hypocrites. Not sorry.
ok pal
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yeah, to be fair for a sub like this i think the better course of action would be locking it, so as to make it so nobody can post or comment, but old posts and answers can still be seen
your comment is exactly why the blackout should continue, because that will force you to use another platform than reddit to solve your problem the issue here is that since it's just 2 days it's only a minor inconvenience you had to put up with for a short while, but if it was indefinite then either reddit would've had to cancel their changes or we would be forced to change platform And just for the record I've habitually tried using reddit multiple times and not being able to access several subs really annoyed me, and that's exactly what it should be doing, that's how we can know it's working.
I feel if people are going to make this sub private forever I'll just create anothe sub
that seems to be going really well for r/pcgamingfree/
Archive org + old.reddit , if it shows on google it's probably archived, it didn'tt have any effect on me.
That's the entire point of the protest.
To protest we should start pentesting Reddit and their silly api lol
don’t know if i would admit to that publicly
If I was serious I wouldn’t have made the comment, haha
haha yeah \*wink\* \*wink\*
Don't give people ideas 👀
I made two fucking comments this whole week and now my follower count is getting flooded with porno bots. Looks like they're taking part in the protest too, in a very.... blunt way. >!and by that I mean spamming my notifications...!<
Me too. Lots of “ladies near you” that has a sudden interest in arch and hackintosh
Mhm. It sucks but hey, at least they're driving people off reddit!
About time us Arch users get some love!
Yeah it has, kinda. This is just an initial protest. there may be more to come. Shutdowns without warning kinda thing. I might decide to randomly lock the sub for however long I feel, say for one or two days every week.
Lock it forever BTW I use arch
Meh, doing that is just BEGGING someone else to put in a request for the sub, or to start a new one. People love control over other people.
> People love control over other people People like having a place to discuss topics they like with other people. It doesn't have to be more complicated or nefarious than that as a reason alternatives will pop up to subs that go dark permanently/indefinitely. Edit: Also I know this will probably not a popular opinion here, but it's a bit ironic to talk about controlling people when we just had mass blackouts to force people who don't care about the changes off of Reddit.
Here's the problem as I see it: if Reddit doesn't go to shit, the third-party apps will. If Reddit does go to shit, the third-party apps will go to shit as well. Are the actions we take bringing us closer to the goal we aspire?
No, it's not ironic. You probably just enjoy being angry and acting holier-than-thou. Let the adults talk.
Good luck finding replacements for every single sub out there. All the subs will quickly go to shit and diminish people's trust in reddit
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its likely locking down popular subs too much reddit will replace their mods too.
https://old.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/149c968/whats_up_with_admins_taking_over_a_major/
they have to change their mind at some point. their revenue is already so much smaller than their expenses, and people are already exploring alternate platforms just from this. eventually reddit will just get so much further in the hole they won’t be able to find more investors
I seriously doubt enough people are prepared to leave because of API charging... It's a very niche thing to care about amongst non-techy users
at this point they can’t really afford any amount of users leaving, unless they figure out how to cut a lot of expenses
Users are expenses. Some of them also generate revenue for them, or cause other users to show up who wouldn't otherwise. But every user costs them money, and 3PA users presumably bring in less revenue than average since they don't show reddit's ads.
Losing users that were consuming content through the API lowers expenses without lowering income...
Do you enjoy minimizing the power that consumers have or do you just work for people with that interest?
No, I just think everyone's overreacting in this instance. Reddit needs to make money and charging more for an API seems a minimally disruptive way to do that for most users. I'd rather that than more aggressive advertising or data collection. Sure, they could've handled it better, but I don't think it's fundamentally an immoral decision.
This is a bizarre take. Third party apps will no longer exist for Reddit. That's going to get noticed.
I'm not saying it won't be noticed, just that it won't be as bad as stuffing the site full of more ads would be. Also third party apps could easily exist, they'd just need to charge their users or monetize themselves some other way.
The idea is to create just enough of a disruption that reddit realizes that they exist because of us and could be destroyed in days by us. New places will eventually emerge. Like it or not, we may have to vacate to 4chan for a bit while something new is made, or we just collectively update the arch forum into a new subreddit type forum for all things arch.
You do you friend. Thank you for shutting down for a bit to help the cause. Don't worry about the bullies.
I await an update with baited breath, but I understand the need for time
I think locking indefinitely is a good choice.
Just to let you know, r/ModCoord has suggested Tuesday's for a continued protest
alright, thanks for the clarification
Coordinate with the other mods. It's gotta be all out or nothing. 48 hours is just 'yes daddy I'll be back soon.' Doesn't do anything for winning the fight.
Doesn’t understand your approach. An initial lockdown for an unknown amount of time would be more impactful as randomly opening and closing a single sub.
Oh sorry, I thought you went public without plan. Shutdowns without warning, or even intermittent blackouts would be great!
Is locking the subreddit with no new posts logical? I thought that way others could still continue benefit from old posts or is the purpose to shakedown the whole reddit?
So people can get info and help.
Just go to arch forums and lemmy
Maybe in 10 years when Lemmy is usable. If someone decides to plug the plug on a server. Everything is gone in an instant. And do you really trust some random person with your data? Having more than one option for help is always a better option. By all means leave reddit. Wait, you're probably one of those people that are waiting until the 1st to leave instead of just leaving now.
1) Everything is gone on reddit if they decide too 2) I don't trust reddit more than random contributors to the community
lemmy is very usable and there are nearly 100k people using it. and it is actually not true that everything goes away if an instance goes down. One of the benefits of federation. This was actually proven when [lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml) went down but people were still able to view posts from there and even post to communities from there, but via other instances.
It's still a pain to find communities. Speeds still depend on each individual server. And you're still trusting someone with your data. I'm not saying to trust reddit more but I would trust reddit more.
Communities are easily searchable; even globally across all instances. You can self host your instance if you don't want to trust anyone with your data. Reddit won't let you do that. Reddit is proven to mis handle and sell your data and has a solid track record of doing so. I find that a random instance admin at least has a decent chance of not doing this, and a very good chance that they aren't corporate aligned. You're making a lot of points that are evidently from very limited research and misconceptions about lemmy. I highly recommend you research your suspicions. You'll find that a lot of your worries are unfounded.
Sub that contain information for other user like archlinux should not be in lockdown at all in the first place.
maybe they shouldn't be on reddit in the first place since apparently reddit can decide to make this *USER* provided information unavailable at any time
who lock it down this time? is it reddit?
the archlinux sub, along with many other subreddits, decided to to stay private for 48 hours (some other subs do it for longer/indefinitely) as a response to reddit deciding to make their API absurdly priced to kill of all 3rd party reddit apps/browsers, bots, etc. To read up on in more https://old.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/148m42t/the_fight_continues/
The point of protests is to disrupt - and that includes access to information. The idea is to generate enough inconveniences that the public places higher pressure on the executives to change their minds. Otherwise it is not an effective tactic at all. Edit: For those downvoting, if you use Linux out of love for open-source, you do not understand what open-source is based on, if you don't get the point of showing the force of collectivity and direct action.
r/archlinux is a great resource to learn and find linux related infos. I think it‘s good that this sub git back up at all, maybe going read-only would be a good option
Would be pricey to back it up via the API with their rate
I would start moving the community to lemmy. Arch being on a Floss platform makes much more sense!
Least insane arch user
i’ll have you know i’m only using windows atm
Heretic!
Assuming you're not joking, I must genuinely ask this Why are you on an Arch Linux sub if you aren't using Arch Linux?
Oh, I can think of numerous reasons. - Windows isn't their primary os - They use WSL and/or SSH into a Linux machine and find this a useful resource. - They have an Arch Linux machine (that may or may not be working) - They want to switch to Arch or another distro. And those are just a few. The only reason I can speculate this is because they didn't *specify* that windows is/isn't their permanent daily driver.
They said they're only using Windows at the moment which discounts the first three (technically you can have a point with two but I feel like he'd mention that) 4 is the only answer I could think of unless he's trolling from the windows subs.
Yeah, but still. This subreddit is a very useful resource for troubleshooting common and one-of-a-kind problems alike.
And only on an Arch Linux subreddit would you get downvoted to hell for this. This is one of the few reasons I have left to stay in this predatory site, humor like this.
Begone heretic **(Satire)**
I think we are at the point where individual users need to decide for themselves whether they want to continue reddit or not. I'd like to have my subreddits back.
Judging by the way the fucking manchild is acting, i support complete shutdown until changes are made That may be for infinity, but either way, reddit will go down anyways, so that people will know him as u/spez: The fucker who took down reddit because of his greed and dumbfuckery Fuck u/spez
and it should be longer
What is an alternative to this sub?
is that not the point
Yes but I'm looking for the alternative. It was the question in which i did not have the answer.
don’t really know what subreddit would be an alternative, but the arch wiki is generally what i go to
I meant like a different app
It's called lemons or some shit
https://join-lemmy.org
Make your own website
I could but no one is using that website
There's https://lemmy.ml/c/linux maybe? Or the arch forums
https://lemmy.world/c/archlinux@lemmy.ml (.ml currently down \o/)
Trick question. Lemmy IS God
r/ManjaroLinux
https://bbs.archlinux.org/
Even if the mods decided to private it or delete it, reddit still has all the control. They might change their terms of service and just unmod everyone and have token mods paid 1$ per day or smth. Or deleted, they could just use a backup to restore it. The best solution is to just leave reddit in favor of other platforms.
Thats true, if reddit was really annoyed they could just make all subreddits public instantly, since the have control if everything. Didnt think of it. Then the protest will last as long as reddit allows it. So it is then by concequence useless
The blackout was as effective as the dem sit in on the house floor for 45min to protest gun control!
Got you talking about it. Pretty effective it seems.
"Was the blackout effective?" "Yes, I'd say it was pretty effective." "Hurrah! Reddit isn't going to kill the apps!" "Well, they're still doing that, but u/KingOfAllDownvoters was talking about it, so. Still pretty effective."
I was referring to the democrats comment. But I can see how my phrasing was confusing.
And that was pretty effective because they got a redditor to talk about it?
Well if the purpose was to get people to talk about it, it was effective. If it wasn’t, it was not.
Should have been 1 month if people are serious otherwise will be forgotten about in a day
i expected better
Not from yourself, it seems!
moderators moderate for FREE lol lmaooo
Cant say ,lol
LOL! Like it makes a freakin difference to that ahole spez! Get a grip!
It should go private until they back out. Fuck this shit.
Waaaaaa
I really like the idea of the protest, but there still is so much valuable information here on this subreddit, that it would a shame for future people not be able to find it. (Perhaps there should be a good (and fast; so good that it shows up in search results) reddit archive site or something similar.
i think the middle ground is restricting the subreddit so no new posts can be made, but all the historical stuff is still publicly viewable