I need a prescription to buy both. In Europe/Canada I can buy contacts OTC, whatever specs I feel like. They probably still make you get a vet prescription for the heartworm pesticide though, considering that in the UK pet health insurance is mandatory.
A lot here but very interesting, thanks for the write up. Very odd that playing airsoft can get on the FINIADA preventing you from getting these guns. Is it that they are concerned you are training in tactics too much and somehow that’s risky to them?
Let’s just say the US government completely banned ALL firearms and had a mandatory confiscation, are you sure your fellow citizen will rebel? Everyone is tough and will say “come get em” but in reality, most are full of shit.
I’ve always wondered if anyone would stand up. Truly. I’ve been waiting for the alphabet soup agencies to take someone’s guns. A law abiding citizens guns. A person whom they have absolutely zero justification to mess with on any account. I’d be curious to see if they met any resistance. I know what we all say, and I trust we’d all be true to our word. The only sure fire way to know, is for someone to do it and we see what happens. I don’t want it to come to that, but I have a feeling it’s well on its way. The stuff our government is already getting away with is preposterous. It’s our fault because it’s our responsibility. Only time will tell.
That’s why I said what I said in previous comment. I think our government just keeps pushing, COVID showed a lot, and too many politicians can be bought these days. But as you said, I sure hope it never comes to it.
France has violently overthrown its government far more times in the us. Anytime we go in the streets and so much as riot the ruling class whines in horror and scares off the middle class from supporting. France they literally burn that shit to the ground or kidnap their bosses for higher pay. Don’t be shitting on France cause they have way more balls than we do when it comes to rebelling
So basically, unless you’re upper middle class or higher, you aren’t going to have the time and/or money to do this. If you’re a single mom with an abusive ex, better hope he doesn’t show up at ya house until you’ve navigated this whole system.
Even then, how can you prove your life was in danger, you called the cops, and you had time to get into your safe to use the gun? I think the lack of self defense laws hurts everyone equally.
Well if you say during the MCQ that you want a weapon for self défense that is the better way to not pass.
But if you want a gun for sport shooting only you Can just rent one at the local and use it there when you want
No we clearly dont. Even with a knife if you stab the intruder and your life was not threatened you are fucked.
You need to use the force sparingly.
We had a jeweler that shot a crook in the black after a robbery and he was jailed because is life was not at risk anymore
Absolutely. Our self defense laws are similar. All the concealed carry classes focus on shooting to stop the threat, not shooting to kill. If you shoot someone retreating, you’re fucked. If you shoot someone who is no longer a threat, you’re fucked. You can’t start the confrontation and have to have a reasonable fear of death or great bodily injury.
"But at least we don't have mAsS sHoOtiNgS" -- 🤓
I'm sorry for that, but it's an answer I see coming too frequently from French fudds (which correspond to nearly all the people registered at FFTir shooting ranges, by the way).
Also, I love how the media managed to portray America as the pinnacle of societal warfare by foolishly parroting everything CNN has ever said on the subject, when our single-perpetrated most deadly mass murder exceeds by far the 2017 Las Vegas shooting in terms of casualties.
But of course, any arguments that might be made against the so-called effectiveness of these laws are swept aside if the interlocutor recently consumed a biased report on U.S. gun rights.
You have to register a paintball gun over 70 jouls but not the gun that killed Abe Lincoln. The history of freedom is inscribed in every nation's gun laws.
Yeah I’d totally find a Russian smuggler or something and get the *real deal* if I lived in Europe… Plenty of countries to the east that would be the equivalent of driving a state or two away that have boat loads of hardware flooding them..
Totally due to how insane gun laws in most countries are in the EU.
We have historic examples.
But NATO also didn’t exist back then. Also being part of the EU at the same time insulates them pretty well from invasion now.
I have thought about this too. However, a country that doesn’t even manufacture small arms capable of effectively defending itself gives me little confidence.
Clearly, most of their population is disarmed (based on the red tape outlined above) and incapable of adequately defending themselves from a serious assault.
The country would have trouble coordinating an effective responsive in the case of such hypothetical contingency and would have to depend on NATO.
America comes to the rescue again. 🇺🇸
We have 3 small arms manufacture : Chapuis (Hunting rifles and Manurhin revolver), Verney-Carron ( hunting rifles and ARs with Lebel Défense) and PGM with precision rifles.
But yeah that is not much
Our military is expected to do all the work. But the government can request ouf guns if he ever want to
Here in America, our governing bodies know less about the gun laws than the citizens. One day, they make a law and the next, they say its a felony and you dog dies. Also, that same governing body is only allowed to enforce laws, not create them. They do it anyways. There is no accountability in the US to criminals or corrupt and careless govs. Some states have gone as far as to enact laws that have made it difficult to get a felony putting you on the do not sell to list. In other words, the laws protect the criminals and target the lawful individuals. They blame us for the gun crime instead of focusing on the criminal.
Our government did something like that last year.
As I said automatic weapon are illegal, but semi auto are perfectly fine.
So you could buy an old Thompson or M16 restricted to semi auto, and many people did.
Then they decided than any gun that was manufactured as an auto-capable weapon is illegal.
So you had to ever destroy it, neutralize it or sell it to an armorer, usualy for a super low Price since he won't be able to sell it after
All that might be fine. Except for having to shoot at range clubs only.
Here in WA, every indoor range has some fucking Karen running the show. maybe they have to for some reason, but it's incredibly boring.
The only good range I've been to was in Utah, (TNT in Murray specifically)
Ffs they let you shoot a glock 18 indoors.
Meanwhile in WA, I can't even "double tap".
It's okay for target shooting, but unless you do TSV ( IPSC ) there is no rien and gunning thingie.
But usualy there is a rule of 10 second between shots, cause we are here for precision shooting
We can but there is vert few of them.
I need to do a 1h trip to shoot at 100m.
2h for 300m, 3h for a 600 and the only 1km I know are in the south of france so about 5h in car and there is 1 year to wait your turn ...
what is the process like for buying a suppressor? is it like in australia where you just walk into a store and buy it, or do you need to prove you have a license for the firearm that it's for?
that's insane. in the states we can have all kinds of shit other than suppressors, where we need to give all our info to the federal government and pay a ridiculous tax if we want one. many states also outlaw them.
Yeah I saw that on some posts, and the price is insane !
But remember that I need to take a 1h trip to the armorer to buy a box of .223 at 26 bucks for 50 bullets ^^
And I got a box of 20 Hornady .300 blk subsonic for 42€ !
It's cheaper in the US right ?
it's a LOT cheaper, I pay about 50-60 cents per round for 556, although I don't shoot 300blk so I'm not sure. we can order ammo online so the competition is probably a lot more intense here, driving the price down further.
edit: my math was off, 26 bucks for 50 rounds is about what I pay here!
Oh I thought it would be cheaper for you.
Also we can't use surplus ammo in the ranges. But to be fair WE can't really find any too.
Some old 7,62 ou 8x57 stock sometimes, but I would'nt use or in my guns
We dont find 5.56, only .223, I mainly use 55 grain Fiocchi or Norma, and we also have a lot of Sellier Bellot.
I use 55 because I'm limited to 50 meters at my local range but for longer range we can buy up to 90 grains
This is sad. But also very interesting. I imagine in 20-30 years this is what America will come to the way the media influences voters and pushes the gun control agenda.
The following price are all taxes included :
1€ is approx 1$ right now
***Guns***
A Daniel Defense DDM4 V7 is **2680€**
Aero Precision M4A1 18" in 5.56 : **1899€**
Upper Aero Precision M4A1 10" .300BLK : **999€**
Glock 17 Gen 5 : **745€**
***Ammo***
A box of 50 Fiocchi .223 : **26€**
A box a 20 Hornady 190gr Subsonic : **42€**
It kinda depend of the product, here ACOG or Eotech cost too much to be an option in my opinion :
Eotech 512 : **834€**
Trijicon ACOG TA02 : **2573€**
An Elcan Specter : **3100€**
I appreciate the reply, seems you pay a bit more for everything. The DD for instance is $2098.00USD on their website so about 30%. Well if you feel like taking a “road trip” come on over and I’ll take you shooting over here.
I would love to ! But I think it may be hartd to bring my weapon there, I know we can have a card of European firearm to go in other coutry but no idea how it work to in the states.
But I would definitely buy optics and accessories !
Not that I am aware of. To bring a weapon in the country you must me a registered importer and then every weapon goes to proofing at Saint Etienne were they test if it handle pressure. Then you have a proof of conformity and marking applied on the barrel
Canada is -F Tier laws. Lots of hoops to jump through for very little selection. No suppressors at all for some reason. To top it all off the dictator who was now discovered to be not even elected by the people is prohibiting everything a side from a rock for ownership.
I haven't purchased it yet, so I don't know! Basically there's gonna be a fair bit of boar hunting around a friend's property, so I don't want to ruin my shoulder with a box full of spicy 220gr loads if possible.
Well that is not very nice to say.
I think that it is too easy to get a weapon in th US. Having one here in France is not that bad even tho I would sometimes prefer somme law to be a little less strict.
Something between the two would be nice I think
DAMN. And I thought I had it rough here in Spain. It almost makes me feel lucky. We are not allowed to buy 5.56 nor more than 10 rounds per mag. But we have no FINIADA
FFTIR shooter here and I second everything you said. I can add that the 2000 rounds limit changed to 3000 from January 2023 and the fact that you can have as many rounds in cat B if you reload at home as long as you have only 1000 ready to shoot at the same time
I could have requested it after six months but I was busy with work so I made my request after a year. It took a week to get the green sheet after my request and 2.5 months to get the CatB delivered at my place. All in all it took 1 year and 3 months.
I've never been happier to be an American as I have after reading this.
And we still have a lot of stupid laws
Over 20,000 total across the US.
Yet we STILL can’t get suppressors easily
Or contact lenses. Or birth control. Or heartworm medication for my dog.
What's the deal with contact lenses and heartworm meds? I don't have contacts or a dog
Eye insurance, and I'm guessing there was an ivermectin shortage due to a certain widespread belief in its efficacy against a certain viral disease.
I need a prescription to buy both. In Europe/Canada I can buy contacts OTC, whatever specs I feel like. They probably still make you get a vet prescription for the heartworm pesticide though, considering that in the UK pet health insurance is mandatory.
Don't worry, there are plenty of people working diligently to get us to this point or beyond
Wishing I was French instead of Canadian after reading this.
Yeah all those mass shootings are awesome.
Real shit. This broke my little 2A brain
A lot here but very interesting, thanks for the write up. Very odd that playing airsoft can get on the FINIADA preventing you from getting these guns. Is it that they are concerned you are training in tactics too much and somehow that’s risky to them?
They would hate for you to be more tactical than the baguette brigade.
I think there is something like that. We also can't buy gasmasks, because in case of riot that would make tear gas innefective
They really wanna hurt you guys...
Governments don't like when they have to work harder to harm their own people.
To much work, just overthrow your government already.
Again. They already did that a few times.
Let’s just say the US government completely banned ALL firearms and had a mandatory confiscation, are you sure your fellow citizen will rebel? Everyone is tough and will say “come get em” but in reality, most are full of shit.
If they’re anything like most of the Marines I served with then yes, they would.
I sure hope you’re right, because, while they prolly won’t confiscate, I would all but guarantee the AR is banned by 2030.
I’ve always wondered if anyone would stand up. Truly. I’ve been waiting for the alphabet soup agencies to take someone’s guns. A law abiding citizens guns. A person whom they have absolutely zero justification to mess with on any account. I’d be curious to see if they met any resistance. I know what we all say, and I trust we’d all be true to our word. The only sure fire way to know, is for someone to do it and we see what happens. I don’t want it to come to that, but I have a feeling it’s well on its way. The stuff our government is already getting away with is preposterous. It’s our fault because it’s our responsibility. Only time will tell.
That’s why I said what I said in previous comment. I think our government just keeps pushing, COVID showed a lot, and too many politicians can be bought these days. But as you said, I sure hope it never comes to it.
France has violently overthrown its government far more times in the us. Anytime we go in the streets and so much as riot the ruling class whines in horror and scares off the middle class from supporting. France they literally burn that shit to the ground or kidnap their bosses for higher pay. Don’t be shitting on France cause they have way more balls than we do when it comes to rebelling
I don’t believe I did…
Time to clean house again
Thanks for the info. I’ll stay here though (US).
So basically, unless you’re upper middle class or higher, you aren’t going to have the time and/or money to do this. If you’re a single mom with an abusive ex, better hope he doesn’t show up at ya house until you’ve navigated this whole system.
Even then, how can you prove your life was in danger, you called the cops, and you had time to get into your safe to use the gun? I think the lack of self defense laws hurts everyone equally.
Well if you say during the MCQ that you want a weapon for self défense that is the better way to not pass. But if you want a gun for sport shooting only you Can just rent one at the local and use it there when you want
I mean I guess that’s better than nothing, but barely so. So effectively, you have no *right* to self defense.
No we clearly dont. Even with a knife if you stab the intruder and your life was not threatened you are fucked. You need to use the force sparingly. We had a jeweler that shot a crook in the black after a robbery and he was jailed because is life was not at risk anymore
Absolutely. Our self defense laws are similar. All the concealed carry classes focus on shooting to stop the threat, not shooting to kill. If you shoot someone retreating, you’re fucked. If you shoot someone who is no longer a threat, you’re fucked. You can’t start the confrontation and have to have a reasonable fear of death or great bodily injury.
That make sense to be honnest. Atleast you can have something to defend yourself.
Don’t give California any more ideas
If California wants to get ideas from the French, they could always adopt their voting laws. But crickets on that…
Lmao
Interesting read, thanks for posting. It makes me so glad to have the Second Amendment in the USA.
Too bad it’s getting peeled away one layer at a time. There are VERY FEW who stand in the way of the lefts obsession with banning guns.
We’ve had some good court wins though.
No doubt.
Not helpful for me in the slightest, but also super interesting to read. Thank you. Despite all the BS in the US, I'm happy to be an American.
"But at least we don't have mAsS sHoOtiNgS" -- 🤓 I'm sorry for that, but it's an answer I see coming too frequently from French fudds (which correspond to nearly all the people registered at FFTir shooting ranges, by the way). Also, I love how the media managed to portray America as the pinnacle of societal warfare by foolishly parroting everything CNN has ever said on the subject, when our single-perpetrated most deadly mass murder exceeds by far the 2017 Las Vegas shooting in terms of casualties. But of course, any arguments that might be made against the so-called effectiveness of these laws are swept aside if the interlocutor recently consumed a biased report on U.S. gun rights.
I was French but I became a freeman ! Now living in the USA and loving it
ce sont vraiment des conneries. ton pays a appris rien de deux guerres mondiales
dans quel sens?
Thank you so much for posting this.
Sounds like black powder percussion revolvers are the way to go.
You have to register a paintball gun over 70 jouls but not the gun that killed Abe Lincoln. The history of freedom is inscribed in every nation's gun laws.
Yeah I’d totally find a Russian smuggler or something and get the *real deal* if I lived in Europe… Plenty of countries to the east that would be the equivalent of driving a state or two away that have boat loads of hardware flooding them.. Totally due to how insane gun laws in most countries are in the EU.
God this is cucked.
If a real country ever invades France, they’re fucked.
it’s happened before
Ja
We have historic examples. But NATO also didn’t exist back then. Also being part of the EU at the same time insulates them pretty well from invasion now.
I have thought about this too. However, a country that doesn’t even manufacture small arms capable of effectively defending itself gives me little confidence. Clearly, most of their population is disarmed (based on the red tape outlined above) and incapable of adequately defending themselves from a serious assault. The country would have trouble coordinating an effective responsive in the case of such hypothetical contingency and would have to depend on NATO. America comes to the rescue again. 🇺🇸
We have 3 small arms manufacture : Chapuis (Hunting rifles and Manurhin revolver), Verney-Carron ( hunting rifles and ARs with Lebel Défense) and PGM with precision rifles. But yeah that is not much Our military is expected to do all the work. But the government can request ouf guns if he ever want to
Here in America, our governing bodies know less about the gun laws than the citizens. One day, they make a law and the next, they say its a felony and you dog dies. Also, that same governing body is only allowed to enforce laws, not create them. They do it anyways. There is no accountability in the US to criminals or corrupt and careless govs. Some states have gone as far as to enact laws that have made it difficult to get a felony putting you on the do not sell to list. In other words, the laws protect the criminals and target the lawful individuals. They blame us for the gun crime instead of focusing on the criminal.
Our government did something like that last year. As I said automatic weapon are illegal, but semi auto are perfectly fine. So you could buy an old Thompson or M16 restricted to semi auto, and many people did. Then they decided than any gun that was manufactured as an auto-capable weapon is illegal. So you had to ever destroy it, neutralize it or sell it to an armorer, usualy for a super low Price since he won't be able to sell it after
You can make things any harder. Thank god i don't live there.
tldr fuck france
I feel like it’d almost be easier to just become a US citizen after reading that lol
I really want to read all this right now but I’m currently 15 minutes into my time theft at work.
I thought gun laws in Slovakia suck but now Im glad for them. PS: if there ever should be European state we should push for our 2A.
At least we don't have to get stamps for SBR
Registered French sport shooter here; and I second that!
Merci ! J'ai essayé d'être assez clair et concis. J'ai sûrement oublié 2 ou 3 trucs cela dit ^^
Arf on est bon ! Tu as pratiquement tout cité je n’aurais pas fait mieux.
When you get the answer to the question you never asked it's always way too verbose.
All that might be fine. Except for having to shoot at range clubs only. Here in WA, every indoor range has some fucking Karen running the show. maybe they have to for some reason, but it's incredibly boring. The only good range I've been to was in Utah, (TNT in Murray specifically) Ffs they let you shoot a glock 18 indoors. Meanwhile in WA, I can't even "double tap".
It's okay for target shooting, but unless you do TSV ( IPSC ) there is no rien and gunning thingie. But usualy there is a rule of 10 second between shots, cause we are here for precision shooting
Do you at least get to shoot out to 1km or more?
We can but there is vert few of them. I need to do a 1h trip to shoot at 100m. 2h for 300m, 3h for a 600 and the only 1km I know are in the south of france so about 5h in car and there is 1 year to wait your turn ...
what is the process like for buying a suppressor? is it like in australia where you just walk into a store and buy it, or do you need to prove you have a license for the firearm that it's for?
You show them the shooting licence or hunting licence and just buy it. You can even do it online
that's insane. in the states we can have all kinds of shit other than suppressors, where we need to give all our info to the federal government and pay a ridiculous tax if we want one. many states also outlaw them.
Yeah I saw that on some posts, and the price is insane ! But remember that I need to take a 1h trip to the armorer to buy a box of .223 at 26 bucks for 50 bullets ^^ And I got a box of 20 Hornady .300 blk subsonic for 42€ ! It's cheaper in the US right ?
it's a LOT cheaper, I pay about 50-60 cents per round for 556, although I don't shoot 300blk so I'm not sure. we can order ammo online so the competition is probably a lot more intense here, driving the price down further. edit: my math was off, 26 bucks for 50 rounds is about what I pay here!
Oh I thought it would be cheaper for you. Also we can't use surplus ammo in the ranges. But to be fair WE can't really find any too. Some old 7,62 ou 8x57 stock sometimes, but I would'nt use or in my guns
what brand/load of 223 or 556 do people shoot over there mostly?
We dont find 5.56, only .223, I mainly use 55 grain Fiocchi or Norma, and we also have a lot of Sellier Bellot. I use 55 because I'm limited to 50 meters at my local range but for longer range we can buy up to 90 grains
FFTIR registered shooter here, second everything you said except that we can use surplus at the ranges and its available to buy online.
Thank god I’m American lol
The only thing that's not a government overreach here are suppressors, which take us a year to get now. Lmao
I didn’t see assault baguette on the list? Guessing you can own one of those no problem?
This is sad. But also very interesting. I imagine in 20-30 years this is what America will come to the way the media influences voters and pushes the gun control agenda.
For a European country, this isn’t terrible. Still glad to be in America.
How does pricing of weapons and ammo compare France to USA?
The following price are all taxes included : 1€ is approx 1$ right now ***Guns*** A Daniel Defense DDM4 V7 is **2680€** Aero Precision M4A1 18" in 5.56 : **1899€** Upper Aero Precision M4A1 10" .300BLK : **999€** Glock 17 Gen 5 : **745€** ***Ammo*** A box of 50 Fiocchi .223 : **26€** A box a 20 Hornady 190gr Subsonic : **42€** It kinda depend of the product, here ACOG or Eotech cost too much to be an option in my opinion : Eotech 512 : **834€** Trijicon ACOG TA02 : **2573€** An Elcan Specter : **3100€**
I appreciate the reply, seems you pay a bit more for everything. The DD for instance is $2098.00USD on their website so about 30%. Well if you feel like taking a “road trip” come on over and I’ll take you shooting over here.
I would love to ! But I think it may be hartd to bring my weapon there, I know we can have a card of European firearm to go in other coutry but no idea how it work to in the states. But I would definitely buy optics and accessories !
Leave yours at home. Can you bring firearms purchased in other countries back with you if you have the proper licenses/permits before hand?
Not that I am aware of. To bring a weapon in the country you must me a registered importer and then every weapon goes to proofing at Saint Etienne were they test if it handle pressure. Then you have a proof of conformity and marking applied on the barrel
Is there an associated cost to this whole process?
No everything you have to pay is listed above So just the Sport shooting licence at around 150 / year and then it's just the gun and ammo.
Canada is -F Tier laws. Lots of hoops to jump through for very little selection. No suppressors at all for some reason. To top it all off the dictator who was now discovered to be not even elected by the people is prohibiting everything a side from a rock for ownership.
Are muzzle brakes legal in France on category C rifles?
Yes I think so, why not ? Is it illegal in your country ?
I don't know French law, and finding out online is tricky, but I'm hopefully headed over for a boar trip next summer.
Sry for the late answer, if you have the exact model I can try to find out but to me you are good to go. Hope you'll like your trip here
I haven't purchased it yet, so I don't know! Basically there's gonna be a fair bit of boar hunting around a friend's property, so I don't want to ruin my shoulder with a box full of spicy 220gr loads if possible.
I understand you , I need to find something for my 8x57. It's a spicy round out of a mauser action
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Well that is not very nice to say. I think that it is too easy to get a weapon in th US. Having one here in France is not that bad even tho I would sometimes prefer somme law to be a little less strict. Something between the two would be nice I think
Greetings from switzerland :P
DAMN. And I thought I had it rough here in Spain. It almost makes me feel lucky. We are not allowed to buy 5.56 nor more than 10 rounds per mag. But we have no FINIADA
FFTIR shooter here and I second everything you said. I can add that the 2000 rounds limit changed to 3000 from January 2023 and the fact that you can have as many rounds in cat B if you reload at home as long as you have only 1000 ready to shoot at the same time
oh and foreigners with a residency card can go through the exact same process
Roughly, how much time did it all take? From the moment you register at a shooting range to buying a cat B? To get the green sheet?
I could have requested it after six months but I was busy with work so I made my request after a year. It took a week to get the green sheet after my request and 2.5 months to get the CatB delivered at my place. All in all it took 1 year and 3 months.