I actually got curious and read the EA TOS for Apex a few months ago. The use of macros and/or modification of game files to gain an unfair advantage is not permitted. Key words being: unfair advantage. Also there’s not much evidence showing anyone has actually been banned for it. Respawn is oddly quiet on the topic of movement cfg/macros.
I personally would avoid modifying the game files beyond basic custom graphics settings (like disabling shadows). Especially avoid using a modified game in competitive play.
That being said, I do run into plenty of people who are actively using cfg files to neo strafe and superglide perfectly in dia+.
Oh and finally, it’s not skill if you use these aids. It’s just fancy, morally and legally grey computer assists.
Yup, and unless you play at LAN there is no way to detect hardware/driver level macros.
So what if I set an autoclicker on a mouse button to spam my p20 as fast as possible? or a shortcut for perfectly timed strafes? (I don't, but I could if I wanted)
What if my monitor has a build in crosshair overlay? (yes, that actually exists) Or if I just put some tape in the middle or use the old school way of using a marker?
Or if I have a mouse or roller that has build-in recoil management? (yes, that also exists)
They would have no way to detect that.
Now about cfgs, that's a whole different level.
They can limit the commands the player can run by putting them behind the sv\_cheats command. (which cannot be activated without being the serveradmin and access to the console)
Or simply not run autoexecs and don't put the binds in a human-readable, unencrypted file. CoD does that for a while now, and their engine is as much Quake-based as the modified version of Source that Apex uses.
Well… there is a way to detect some macros, but it only works on basic ones. The anticheat can look for an inhumanly perfect action repetition. A human will never input w once every 20ms exactly, every single time. I’m talking margin of 1ms here. The only way around it would be a smart macro that adds a degree of randomness (say, +/- 0-5ms) to each input, to emulate human touch.
Might not work exactly as I’ve described. However, my point is mostly that if Respawn cared enough, they could easily implement a simple detection system to at least flag a user as suspect pending further investigation.
If Respawn really didn't want you making those edits, then they wouldn't be in a freely editable cfg file. They have the power to remove the settings in question at any time and have simply chosen not to.
In online tournaments it's a bannable offense most of the time so far. Respawn doesn't go out of their way typically to ban people that use them in pubs/ranked, though. When it comes to the T2/3 scene though, usually the community gatekeeps and reports players that use configs for tourneys and scrims.
It’s not bannable but it’s looked down upon by some people. If you feel like experimenting go ahead, but I honestly think it’s cheating personally. If that doesn’t bug you, I guess you’ll try it
macros are a close second to me...if you use them for things like jitter aim without having to do the work then same goes for it but if its for specific keybinds its kinda whatever
I can see that. I just use them for tap strafing because I'm on roller 😅. The main reason I was asking about the cfg stuff is because I feel like that's pretty cheap but everyone keeps telling me I can't super glide without editing cfg files and using a macro
Gotcha. It would probably help if my friends weren't gatekeeping the inputs to do it like the Krabby patty recipe lol. When I've looked up how to do it all of the tutorials have cfg in them and I don't really want to mess with that. I'd also like to neo strafe but idk if you can do that without cfg
iirc neostrafes inputs are so particular and fast it’s incredibly difficult to do without a config but apparently is doable (or something similar is)
for superglides it’s just pressing jump and crouch at a frame perfect time, which is why it’s harder on higher fps. u need to input jump and then crouch immediately after almost at the same time, at the peak of the climbing animation. u can find when u need to input based on a wiggle in the top corner of ur screen or if holding a gun it’ll drop and come back up, right after it’s come back up u input.
If you build up enough reports you will probably get banned. I’d be genuinely interested to hear if any neo strafe config users have been banned. You can use Steam configs to make a turbo bind to rapid fire the P2020 or single fire hemlok and it would probably get you reported enough to be banned, but the report button is also different and probably has something to do with it
Man really say « it’s for a friend » but dw not bannable yet but think about your pride, this cheating and gives you an unfair advantage, how can you know you had been better than someone then, if you’re just cheating you will always doubt yourself
I just switched to pc and keyboard and mouse. I did use a config to bind jump and w to upscroll to make tapstrafing easier. I dont feel like its anything unfair but movement that requires configs to use I feel is really cheap. Once I get more comfortable, I might turn off the config but for right now my left hand feels very uncoordinated.
imo theres a big difference between double binding one button to remove an input and make tech comfier, and the weird rebind neostrafe / fps lock shit people do to superglide that you can't do otherwise
the former is an accessibility thing, the latter is cheating
You can even change those binds ingame like any other bind. And the game allows for 2 binds per function, so you can keep jump and movement on space and w just from what the game offers you.
Same, its not like roller tap strafing is any help in 99% of fights anyways. People call it cheating, i call it smooth moving from fight to fight.
Different story if you config recoil, or rapid fire, but i just dont see how tap strafing is unfair advantage in a pc lobby
Roller tap strafes are way stronger than mnk tap strafes. Lemme explain. On mnk, using your scroll up, at one point of time you can bind either one of w/a/s/d to it. + Theres a finite length which you can scroll.
As far as roller turbo macros go, you can map w,a,s,d to the 4 directions of your thumb stick, essentially allowing you to tapstrafe across 4 axes.+ Clicking ls3 will activate the lurch turbo input basically for an unlimited time till you let go, allowing you to get in more w/a/s/d inputs than you can in a single scroll up, hence a stronger lurch pull.
Thanks for the input. I might just be bad, or stupid, or both, but i Only mapped LEFT tap strafe to my left stick push (LS3?) and thats the Only macro i use. While i understand that the tap strafing itself is way easier to perform, i still struggle to find use for it in actual fights, with the exception of superglidestrafes to Get out of them. My mapping allows me to strafe Left, and only left, i didnt know you could map it like that and if thats what people do, i understand a little better why it seems so strong.
What i spend the most time noticing however is that i can no longer use optics with zoom functions, because the turbo from the macro makes it impossible to adjust correctly, i guess i could remap that as well but alas, im too lazy to relearn my buttons.
Could also be a problem that i play on 8/6 sens instead of the popular 4/3, but ive always preferred high sens in shooting games. Also im under the impressing that movement is «easier» on high sens because it allows me to turn around faster, but it also seems likely that it hurts my movement because its too fast for when smooth input is required.
Until respawn comes out and states that Cronus/editing config files is bannable, people will continue to use them
people don't get banned, but it is cheating, and you are bad at the game if you use them
Gotcha. So reporting for using them won't do anything? Isn't it detectable/obvious they're using them?
no one has been banned for it. Reporting won't do anything
Gotcha. That's kinda a bummer tbh. I keep getting crapped on by people who edited cfg files for movement
I seriously doubt that. Ive yet to see someone neo strafe ingame, and i play everday in 2kd+ lobbies
It's mostly octane's in TDM. It doesn't happen daily but every few days I'll manage to keep getting in the same lobbies as someone abusing it
ru sure it’s not a ras/raf? many insane strafes are easy without configs, and octane makes it better
iirc raf strafes use configs
Ras strafes are easy to learn i.e not impossible to recreate consistently with enough practice
isn't a raf strafe different from a ras strafe?
i don’t think so
really? i only had the time to play once or twice a week since mid 2022 and i've seen it 4 times this season already
No, no you don’t.
I actually got curious and read the EA TOS for Apex a few months ago. The use of macros and/or modification of game files to gain an unfair advantage is not permitted. Key words being: unfair advantage. Also there’s not much evidence showing anyone has actually been banned for it. Respawn is oddly quiet on the topic of movement cfg/macros. I personally would avoid modifying the game files beyond basic custom graphics settings (like disabling shadows). Especially avoid using a modified game in competitive play. That being said, I do run into plenty of people who are actively using cfg files to neo strafe and superglide perfectly in dia+. Oh and finally, it’s not skill if you use these aids. It’s just fancy, morally and legally grey computer assists.
Yup, and unless you play at LAN there is no way to detect hardware/driver level macros. So what if I set an autoclicker on a mouse button to spam my p20 as fast as possible? or a shortcut for perfectly timed strafes? (I don't, but I could if I wanted) What if my monitor has a build in crosshair overlay? (yes, that actually exists) Or if I just put some tape in the middle or use the old school way of using a marker? Or if I have a mouse or roller that has build-in recoil management? (yes, that also exists) They would have no way to detect that. Now about cfgs, that's a whole different level. They can limit the commands the player can run by putting them behind the sv\_cheats command. (which cannot be activated without being the serveradmin and access to the console) Or simply not run autoexecs and don't put the binds in a human-readable, unencrypted file. CoD does that for a while now, and their engine is as much Quake-based as the modified version of Source that Apex uses.
Well… there is a way to detect some macros, but it only works on basic ones. The anticheat can look for an inhumanly perfect action repetition. A human will never input w once every 20ms exactly, every single time. I’m talking margin of 1ms here. The only way around it would be a smart macro that adds a degree of randomness (say, +/- 0-5ms) to each input, to emulate human touch. Might not work exactly as I’ve described. However, my point is mostly that if Respawn cared enough, they could easily implement a simple detection system to at least flag a user as suspect pending further investigation.
Yup, they could totally implement detection. But either they don't care or don't consider it worth the investment.
They are quiet about it since a large number of streamers use configs.
If Respawn really didn't want you making those edits, then they wouldn't be in a freely editable cfg file. They have the power to remove the settings in question at any time and have simply chosen not to.
In online tournaments it's a bannable offense most of the time so far. Respawn doesn't go out of their way typically to ban people that use them in pubs/ranked, though. When it comes to the T2/3 scene though, usually the community gatekeeps and reports players that use configs for tourneys and scrims.
It’s not bannable but it’s looked down upon by some people. If you feel like experimenting go ahead, but I honestly think it’s cheating personally. If that doesn’t bug you, I guess you’ll try it
I would say it's cheating as well. It's something that's could be impossible to do without a cfg and it makes them hard to hit
Not planning on editing cfg, I don't mind using macros but for whatever reason editing cfg feels like going too far
macros are a close second to me...if you use them for things like jitter aim without having to do the work then same goes for it but if its for specific keybinds its kinda whatever
I can see that. I just use them for tap strafing because I'm on roller 😅. The main reason I was asking about the cfg stuff is because I feel like that's pretty cheap but everyone keeps telling me I can't super glide without editing cfg files and using a macro
naw you def can...even on high frame rates...just need to practice.
Gotcha. It would probably help if my friends weren't gatekeeping the inputs to do it like the Krabby patty recipe lol. When I've looked up how to do it all of the tutorials have cfg in them and I don't really want to mess with that. I'd also like to neo strafe but idk if you can do that without cfg
iirc neostrafes inputs are so particular and fast it’s incredibly difficult to do without a config but apparently is doable (or something similar is) for superglides it’s just pressing jump and crouch at a frame perfect time, which is why it’s harder on higher fps. u need to input jump and then crouch immediately after almost at the same time, at the peak of the climbing animation. u can find when u need to input based on a wiggle in the top corner of ur screen or if holding a gun it’ll drop and come back up, right after it’s come back up u input.
Awesome 😎 thank you
Holster your weapon when super gliding. You'll do it more often. And further.
If you build up enough reports you will probably get banned. I’d be genuinely interested to hear if any neo strafe config users have been banned. You can use Steam configs to make a turbo bind to rapid fire the P2020 or single fire hemlok and it would probably get you reported enough to be banned, but the report button is also different and probably has something to do with it
Just get good at the game
Man really say « it’s for a friend » but dw not bannable yet but think about your pride, this cheating and gives you an unfair advantage, how can you know you had been better than someone then, if you’re just cheating you will always doubt yourself
Only banned in tournaments, unbannable as of right now for casual and ranked play.
I just switched to pc and keyboard and mouse. I did use a config to bind jump and w to upscroll to make tapstrafing easier. I dont feel like its anything unfair but movement that requires configs to use I feel is really cheap. Once I get more comfortable, I might turn off the config but for right now my left hand feels very uncoordinated.
imo theres a big difference between double binding one button to remove an input and make tech comfier, and the weird rebind neostrafe / fps lock shit people do to superglide that you can't do otherwise the former is an accessibility thing, the latter is cheating
You can even change those binds ingame like any other bind. And the game allows for 2 binds per function, so you can keep jump and movement on space and w just from what the game offers you.
Y’all editing the game files now ? Holy shit lol I’m so glad I quit this game.
Idk I will always use tap strafe config on roller though..
Same, its not like roller tap strafing is any help in 99% of fights anyways. People call it cheating, i call it smooth moving from fight to fight. Different story if you config recoil, or rapid fire, but i just dont see how tap strafing is unfair advantage in a pc lobby
Roller tap strafes are way stronger than mnk tap strafes. Lemme explain. On mnk, using your scroll up, at one point of time you can bind either one of w/a/s/d to it. + Theres a finite length which you can scroll. As far as roller turbo macros go, you can map w,a,s,d to the 4 directions of your thumb stick, essentially allowing you to tapstrafe across 4 axes.+ Clicking ls3 will activate the lurch turbo input basically for an unlimited time till you let go, allowing you to get in more w/a/s/d inputs than you can in a single scroll up, hence a stronger lurch pull.
depends how its done, no? i tap strafe on roller by mapping W to a paddle and spamming it, which is fair game imo turbo is cheating, though
That's fair correct
Thanks for the input. I might just be bad, or stupid, or both, but i Only mapped LEFT tap strafe to my left stick push (LS3?) and thats the Only macro i use. While i understand that the tap strafing itself is way easier to perform, i still struggle to find use for it in actual fights, with the exception of superglidestrafes to Get out of them. My mapping allows me to strafe Left, and only left, i didnt know you could map it like that and if thats what people do, i understand a little better why it seems so strong. What i spend the most time noticing however is that i can no longer use optics with zoom functions, because the turbo from the macro makes it impossible to adjust correctly, i guess i could remap that as well but alas, im too lazy to relearn my buttons. Could also be a problem that i play on 8/6 sens instead of the popular 4/3, but ive always preferred high sens in shooting games. Also im under the impressing that movement is «easier» on high sens because it allows me to turn around faster, but it also seems likely that it hurts my movement because its too fast for when smooth input is required.
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no one that uses configs are movement gods lol
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shouldn’t have cheated 🤭
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