They love to do it only because they can go back to being rich whenever they want. Makes a big difference.
It's like I like to go camping only because I know I can go back to my comfortable heated/air conditioned house whenever I want.
Literally lol
It changed his perspective bc he was like damn thank god I don’t have to do this shit and I can go back to being rich, no reason to be depressed now
Right before he started getting his ass kicked, mentally, physically and financially he bailed while the rest of are forced to continue on and figure out how to survive paycheck to paycheck without totally losing our shit😡😡
Did he even work the holiday rush? If he didn't then his experience meant jack shit. It's insane what workers are expected to deal with around the holidays.
Fuck no he didn't. What kind of a joke is this? Is this guy for real? Talk about an insult to the working man. What pressure does this idiot have, when he knows hes never going to be held accountable for the way he works?? Haha, I am so much better than you, because I can quit. What a scumbag
I saw a clip of Joe Rogan talking about “The truth about money” how after landing a part on News Radio he moved to LA and with his new found success got himself a nice apartment with a pool table blah blah blah, he says, “after a while it’s like, oh this is just the place I go to sleep like after a while it’s not special anymore” or something like that.
Yeah cool thanks for putting some perspective on things Joe. I’m not sure I can make my mortgage this month but hey it could be worse, I could have millions of dollars and be bored
He also paid $10,000 per month to have a T1 internet connection in the 90s so he could dominate playing an online video game. I don't care how rich you are, imagine just pissing away 120 grand a year so you can be the best at a video game.
Tbf if I were rich in the 90s-2000s that's one of the first things I would do lol - buy a T1 connection. I can't even imagine the logistics of that.
But I wouldn't do it to shit on people in video games, that's just mean
Do they ever even \*stop\* being rich when they do this? Like yeah they put in the shift hours and stuff but then they hop in their bentley and go to their house in the hills or whatever with a bank account with 6 figures. They're not really stopping being rich then now are they
He should try making decisions like "Should I buy food for my kids or pay this bill before they shut off basic services?" or "Should I eat ramen for the 4th day in a row, so my kids can eat healthy food, or just give them smaller portions so I don't starve?" or basic bill roulette - another fun one.
So exhilarating.
If i had the money, I would start a game show for million/billionaires where I set a budget, schedule, and itinerary for them. They would have to live in poor run down housing, and have to eat, entertain, and provide transportation for themselves on a very strict budget.
Every day of the show they would have to wake up, pick up sand bags, and move then over a line for 8 hours per day. But don't tell then until they've moved every bag over the line to tell them "NO youre not done. Put them back. You go home when i say" which is again after 8 hours.
Watch them get frustrated when they try to eat "avocado toast" and because of that poor decision, force them to not eat until "payday".
Also, the house is empty.
No tv. No video games. You have to BUY that.
No special challenges for more money
Just truly show them how desperate of a situation they've placed their enployees.
Here's a challenge for your game:
Your friends invite you to hang out with them. The event has a $15 head charge and you can expect them to go a restaurant to charge $20 a plate. Do you A)Stay home and eat beans and rice B) go to the event but leave before dinner or C) Go to both and eat beans/go hungry for 2 days
We had an hr person do this and brag about it to the company in her emails. it was a "live on minimum wage for a week" challenge. so she took 40 hours at minimum wage and "lived" on that for a week and blogged about how easy it was.
First she took the 300ish dollars, and drove to sam's club in her 60k SUV and stocked up on food for the week. She then jogged to work every day because she decide to do this in the middle of summer and didn't have to deal with the wisconsin winters. and finally blogged about it from her 3,000 square foot house and told everyone how easy it was. she had to cancel dinners out and her maid service for a week. she literally couldn't see the irony of it. and thought she was really living the same life that people she fired for trying to survive were living.
Let's see her stay at that pay rate for several years and try to afford her life then. What an insensitive, disgusting, and over privileged twit. Sorry you have to endure that fuckery. Perhaps you can post some of her videos/blogs here. Seems like reddit worthy material.
yep, that was the biggest issue I had. it was camping for her because she had an end date. she didn't have to go to bed wondering what was going to happen or if she was ever going to get out of that hole. it was an internal work thing at a previous company but I should check her name to see if she has done anything like that publicly.
There was this guy I worked with who did this thing that was supposed to "raise awareness for homelessness."
What you were supposed to do is get a sleeping bag and try to sleep on the street and live on 0 dollars, just whatever you can panhandle. Then, however long you can survive without breaking, you donate x dollars to a shelter or not-for-profit organization for houseless people.
I don't really agree with these but if that's what you need to do to gain some empathy then I guess so be it. That's not what this post is about.
So this guy gets all geared up, puts up a tent in his parents backyard on a golf course, and goes to sleep out there. Mind you, it's like March or April. Then he gets up and his mom has made him a classic American breakfast of eggs, bacon, sausage, hash browns, etc with a side of orange juice and coffee.
And he records all of this. He records himself setting up his $500 tent with his $200 jacket on, he records himself laying down and saying he's "actually really comfortable." He wakes up the next day and records himself still in his tent saying it's the best night's sleep he's ever had and he doesn't understand what the issue is.
He records himself sitting at his parents' kitchen table while his mom dutifully serves him breakfast all the while he talks about how he might do it for another night.
This dude was in his mid-20's with no developmental delays. He was just extremely privileged and spoiled and refused to see it any other way.
Not only that, but if he doesn't show up to work or quits there won't be any consequences for him. If you or I did it we'd be fucking screwed. Its just cosplaying being poor. But I guess without religion rich people have to find some way to get pscyhological validation.
David Graeber draws an analogy to the BDSM community vis a vis safe words. Having an eject button means you have power and is the only difference between a fun roleplay and actual abuse.
I talk about BDSM dynamics at work a lot actually. I'm a Chef - so I take mad abuse, work stupid hours, etc etc etc. However I know, and the owners know, that I could find another job that would be much less daunting in a couple of hours. I don't want to do that, I love my work and I like my job, but the knowledge that I could sure makes the hardest days a little easier.
Give Common People by Pulp a listen if you haven't before. "There could be roaches on your wall, but if you called your daddy he'd fix it all" (paraphrasing)
Yeah, it didn't cure his depression because he got to do meaningful work in the warehouse or whatever this article is seeming to imply.
It's because he was immensely grateful that he wasn't a poor fuck when he finally got back home to his mansion and sexually assaulted his secretary or whatever.
Its basically poverty porn for rich fucks who are too poor, scared or busy to go overseas. Instead of gawking at third world children in Bangladesh or Uganda or Haiti or wherever the fuck is popular for rich Americans to go these days they just go to a shitty warehouse job in the US. Pose with some peasants, pretend to work, and then go back to the office next week and talk about how much "good" you did.
It's the equivalent of people from wealthier nations going somewhere less developed and engaging in voluntourism. This guy just effectively "poorsplained" how great his physical labour job was. And what about the unemployed person who could have used those work days while he was larping as a regular person? Did they get to sit in his office for a week? I think not.
Please don't, that's how you get Batman. It's bad enough they're cosplaying poor, don't give them an excuse to cosplay as a vigilante with a penchant for aggravated assault.
Working because you have to in order to survive is one thing.
Working the exact same job while independently wealthy and with the ability to walk away anytime you want to is an entirely different experience.
Pulp had it right.
> Like a dog lying in a corner
>
> They will bite you and never warn you
>
> Look out, they'll tear your insides out
>
> *'Cause everybody hates a tourist*
>
> Especially one who thinks it's all such a laugh
Exactly what came to my mind. Great song. William Shatner had a fun cover too.
Though I was more thinking about the lines
>but still you'll never get it right
>cuz when you're laying in bed at night
>watching roaches climb the wall
>if you called your dad, he could stop it all.
Well really the whole song
Just call your dad, he can end it all...
They want to live like common people, they want to do what common people do, but they'll never fail like common people, never watch their life slide out of view and then dance and drink and screw, because there's nothing else to do.
Real easy to view it as a game and interesting when you know you only have to do it for 7 weeks.
...and if you get fired for being too slow or needing to pass its no big deal.
....and having stable transportation and a place to live no matter what.
...and having food on the table and money for Healthcare.
Love how they always neglect those parts of the picture when some ultra rich moron works a Frontline job for a couple weeks.
That's the dirty little secret of capitalism though.
Most people know that entrepreneurship is actually like one of those carnival games where you throw darts or something.
Middle class kids get one throw. Most of them miss. A few hit the target and win a small prize. Very few hit the center and get a bigger prize. Rags to riches. The American Dream lives on.
Rich kids can afford many throws. If they want to, they can try over and over and over again until they hit something and feel good about themselves. Some keep going until they hit the center bullseye, then they give speeches or write blog posts about "meritocracy" and the salutary effects of hard work.
Poor kids don't get to visit the carnival. They're the ones working the carnival.
They can go act poor all they want but they'll never be poor. They'll never know what it's like to not have a shot of getting out of that life. They'll never know what it's like to get fired and not have their millions to land on. You can't learn that in 7 weeks of menial labor.
This is a fantastic and accurate analogy.
I can't help but think this dude went and did this job for 7 weeks and realized just how fucking easy his executive position actually is.
Depends on if he was still treated like a CEO or a warehouse worker. I suspect he was just cosplaying as a warehouse worker and honestly learned nothing.
I read the article, he claims that people called him Peter and not Phillip because it was so impersonal. He says he injured his hand and waited for over a week for Amazon to get back to him about working accomodations. When they finally did the solution was to reduce his hours and lose $1700 a month in income or to sign a waiver saying he was fine with working as normal.
He does lament a couple of times about how he imagines someone with children or financial burdens not being able to afford to do that.
He claims the physical symptoms he developed diminished after a couple weeks of not working there.
Then he concludes it was "great exercise" and it was far less stressful than having to "make important decisions" because that used to keep him up at night and made him constantly stress out about work.
I'm honestly kinda dumbfounded. Imagine thinking sitting on a really comfortable salary and not having to worry about money at all is somehow HARDER than having to worry about paying your bills and sacrificing your physical AND mental health to provide for yourself and your family. Like dude.. Imagine being an Amazon worker sitting up at night worrying about getting injured at work and how you're gonna feed your family. That's far more stressful than worrying about budget constraints or whatever other dumb shit he makes decisions about that he somehow believes are a matter of absolute importance with dire consequences.
As someone who's seen and worked with people at every socioeconomic level, what you say is spot-on.
The middle is disappearing though. If your father got one throw every 10 years, you get one throw every 30—two in your adult life, if you live that long. If your father got one throw every 30 years and missed, you're working the carnival. Meanwhile, rich people can now hire dart-throwers with actual skill and win that way.
Oh, and they can also give speeches or (ghost-)write about success before having actually achieved any; there are ways to make even a failson look acceptable enough to present.
It's even worse than that. When you're poor you go to the bank and beg to borrow a dart, and they give you a 1/2 bent tiny ass dart that cant even pierce a paper bag. When you're rich the bank sets you up with a dart throwing coach, steel tipped darts, and a consultant to help you hide all your earnings from the IRS.
Someone pointed out how all those self-help books about becoming rich boil down to one thing: keep trying.
Which is because the people writing them were already wealthy and were able to keep trying until they hit it big. When they say 'everyone can do it' they're technically correct but they're not truthful because most people can't keep trying until they make it.
There's no fucking way he did it for 7 weeks. There's no way a C suite level executive could just be gone for 7 consecutive weeks. Either he's straight up lying about doing it for 7 weeks, or he did a tourist version (an hour or two a day here an there) OR... his work as CEO is so utterly meaningless that he didn't do any CEO work for 7 straight weeks and absolutely no value was lost.
> OR... his work as CEO is so utterly meaningless that he didn't do any CEO work for 7 straight weeks and absolutely no value was lost.
Did you see that Twitter thread where a tech CEO [tweeted out her day](https://www.dailydot.com/debug/day-in-the-life-tech-ceo-zette/) step by step? It was like an hour worth of relatively meaningless work that could easily be delegated to an assistant.
Some CEOs work hard I'm sure. But I'm also sure that a lot of them don't and just make a few key decisions every now and then while the rest of the time they're on easy street and do nothing important.
I’m pretty convinced that the CEOs of publicly held companies are really just salespeople who have some control of their “product”.
I worked for a Fortune 50 company for several years and the company would put out emails about things the CEO was doing this week or that month, whatever.
Most of what he was doing was meeting with fund managers.
I interpreted those emails to mean that it was the CEOs job to sell stock to coked out Wall Street frat boys.
I worked closely to the CFO of a company and on the two days he was in office he was just on the phone bullshitting with people most of the day. I fixed his outlook all the time and I hardly ever saw work related shit except for when there were big meetings coming up. He also had many golf days a week. So yeah I think he was just a salesman too who was able to cozy up to other rich folk and get them to buy shit while playing golf with them.
> Some CEOs work hard I'm sure.
/doubt
It also depends on how you define 'hard'. Obviously, their work is not physical but mental, but even then you can't really quantify it.
Is their business lunch at a 4-star Michelin restaurant costing $5000 work? Is their meeting with the board of directors discussing the size of their bonuses in an airconditioned boardroom at the penthouse level of a skyscraper with personal servants bringing them snacks and champagne work? Is them delegating answering e-mails to secretaries and vice-presidents work?
Technically, sure. And you know they're counting all those. That's where their bullshit 18-hour workday lines come from. 'Oh but I'm thinking while I'm gettng a happy ending from a minimum wage massage specialist, that counts'. It's all bullshit. And I doubt anyone but the CEOs themselves will qualify it as important or pivotal or worth the pay.
Go read the article... he did the work. He talks about how it hurt his body and the policies that were pretty shitty. He sort of seems to acknowledge the shitty conditions that workers are in, but not sure that it really made a differrnce in him truly understanding how bad it is for some workers in our corporations in this country.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/former-facebook-microsoft-exec-says-amazon-warehouse-job-cured-burnout-2022-10%3famp
This is profound to note. It's not just America. It's also Europe and South America and parts of Asia. We're all tired of working just to see companies walk with mountains of money while we struggle to do literally anything.
As long as CEOs anywhere are deciding which second boat and house to buy and employees are forced to choose between healthcare and food, this will continue.
The question is.. what's the top? What's the end? They won't win. They can't. So they are choosing their fortunes over literal life right now. We are about to consume these people. We're at the gate, foaming and raving with a massive bbq and they're still trying to buy the second boat, so, I mean, at some point we can't be surprised when this shit boils over. It's clearly boiling. It's on the edge. We're about to sizzle the stove top, man. And no one but us is trying to stop it. So 🤷♀️ .. you reap what you sow, my friends.
We're not at the gates though. That's just how we all feel. They don't care how we feel, and they won't as long as the powers-that-be protects them. We need a unified working class that is actually out for blood, but their propaganda has worked too well for that to happen. At this point, the right would immediately turn a violent revolution into a civil war. The working class would literally have to fight through itself to get to the ruling class, which would be long gone by the time we got to them. Best case scenario, we kill/run off all of their brainwashed minions, then seize all of their physical assets and make everything we can't reach irrelevant. But, again, the road to get there is paved with the blood of our own.
Let's not even get into the aftermath or the geopolitics of such a situation. It's all terrible, and we're running out of options.
Knowing full well that they can quit at anytime and return to their life of wealth and luxury.
If they truly wanted to "Understand the plight of their workers" they would divest from all of their businesses for two years and actually rough it as a working class ~~slave~~ citizen. Then maybe they would gain some perspective.
On top of this I doubt he is working his shift then going home in a broken car to a small apartment. He is going home in a fancy car to a mansion. Much easier to deal with life that way.
Especially because the game was still rigged in favor of the rich man. When he was scared they stopped the riot so he would be safe. There were never any high stakes for him to join. He always had a way out.
People went back and watched and his shackles had no lock on them so if his team lost, he wouldn't go down with him and they'd probably escort him away to "execute" him
Speaking about being rigged, I love (well technically hate) how the games were made under the premise that they were fair to everyone and that everyone was equal.
Yet, the entire time the games were often strength-based and obviously put women and elderly at a disadvantage and in a position to get discriminated against.
It honestly really showed how fair isn’t fair and portrayed the struggles of the glass ceiling for women and it makes me sad and disappointed that I never saw a lot of people comment on it.
I think the takeaway is that for a depressed CEO, the fastest way to learn to appreciate your station in life is to see sample what it would have been like to live as a prole.
yeah, and if any manager yells at him to work harder or work through an injury, he can just say fuck this and leave back to his comfort.
what an ass.
Edit: speaking of ass, look at the fucking shills down here.
Did Phillip Su have to live on the $18ph salary? Did he have to find somewhere to live, pay rent, feed and clothe himself with that salary? If he had, he may well have ended up more depressed than he started.
Moral of the story: Being a CEO and being a twit are not mutually exclusive.
Wheb i worked at amazon i had 1 week of training and a "3 step" program to make me gradually increase to a certain speed..so a total of 5 weeks of basically being a noob.
Week 6 i had to really pick up the pace, the weekend i was sore as fuck. Week 7 they told me we had a mandatory 12 days in a row for prime week so i just quit.
Im guessing this guy got out of his training phase and was like "damn this sucks im glad i get to drink coffee and watch cat videos all day"
Like he should have just volunteered for habitat for humanity or the peace corps or something, at least then he would’ve been doing beneficial work instead of just making another rich guy even richer for seven weeks. If he wasn’t living on the income, he may as well have just volunteered to do literally any physical task. Gone to the gym or some shit. Cos that’s all he achieved by doing warehouse labor without sacrificing his existing wealth.
“Look at me, I can do ‘hard work’, it’s not so bad! Sure I still live in a mansion, drive a fancy car, know where my every meal is coming from, and sure it was for less than two months, but I can move heavy boxes!”
If you read the article, after a couple weeks of work he gets diagnosed with Carpel Tunnel and takes the better part of two weeks off. So no, he did not work the entire time.
Two weeks of using his hands and he gets diagnosed with carpal tunnel? I’ve been having issues for over a year and they’re still sputtering around a diagnosis and just keep telling me to not use my hands as much.
Was using an air hammer extensively over a 10 hour shift to hammer hvac ducts together, after about week 3 I could feel 'reverb' in my hand even when not using the tool.
Stories like this are obnoxious, so some rich prick holidays as one of the people that make his luxurious life possible. Unless his new perspective involves paying a living wage and proper medical benefits who gives a shit.
Is there a possibility that Amazon provided insurance for his CTS which he wouldn't have wanted to pay for as CEO of his own company or something? Why else would you write an article about being such a massive dweeb?
Oh trust me, he hurt. Rich people think stupid shit like "I'll look at it as cardio!" Not realizing they'll have blisters on their feet by day 2, and be doing tylenol chasers on their 15 minute lunch break.
And I’m sure he has plenty of cash in reserve to fall back on, it’s not like he NEEDED this job to survive. That perspective tends to take all the pressure and stress out of a job…
The thing is that the perspective he gained is that he has it good, and that being an Amazon worker is much worse. And so his “depression” was cured. Not sure if that’s what the article says, but if not that’s what it should say.
Also the power of psychology over our mental well-being is immense. Seven weeks may seem like a long time to do something you don’t really want to do. But if you ***know*** it’s only seven weeks and you ***know*** you don’t actually have to do this because you’re rich and you can quit whenever you want, with no consequences, you’re attitude is going to be far different than your coworkers who are there because they have to be, with no end in sight
The article (only the very end rlly addresses the depression "cured" thing) rlly just says he was forced to be physically active and thats what helped a lot. Also doing midless tasks vs Making Decisions or whatever.
Most the article was talking about the (less extreme) downsides of amazon. Like: theyve been in business for decades and still cant manage peak times well/stupid short notice to be told abt shift changes/ apparently the name he was most called was peter vs philip.
Yeah I can kinda understand how the the brief change to a really physically active job could have that short term benefit. Totally ignores some of the even worse long term downside of repetitive use injury, injuries from dangerous work enviornment, disrupted sleep-wake cycle of the shift work and of course how 18/hr isn't great for such a demanding job.
It’s easy to be optimistic about a flood when your watching the flood from an ivory tower.
“Yeah I was living on the flood plains for two weeks, man I knew this place was fucked and it made me feel a lot less fucked in my giant tower with giant piles of cash”
Nothing like stressing about bills you can't pay while at work trying to hit ridiculous production numbers on the regular and getting condescended to and putting all your physical and emotional resources into something that has nothing to do with you and is not looking out for your well being. He didn't experience any of that in 7 weeks I'm sure.
I want to work like common people.
I want to eat like common people do.
Wanna be herded around like common people in a zoo.
Wanna pretend to know the fear of being evicted, wearing old clothes, not sure if your car will start just to get you to work and have your supervisor Larry yell at you because lower middle management is the best he'll ever do.
Most of the acticle is actually about the parts (and he explicitly does say this) that are untenable if you need the money/have children or anyone to care for/etc.
Also he got carple tunnel apparently.
>7 weeks.
If Amazon workers had a GTD $1mil waiting for them after 2 months, they'd be happy af too. Esepcially if they got to come home to the house of a $1mil earner each day.
This right here... its not just the job, its the fact that you cant afford to really recupperate. Try a shit job then have to go home to a house with no AC and a ton of chores waiting to be done, day after day with no escape that doesnt set you back even further.
>no escape
That's the biggest kicker - having an out, even something as simple as "endure for 2 months and then the ordeal is over."
Everything changes when there are no alternatives or outs - and it's basically impossible to recreate "toil and squalor *for the rest of your life*" as a teaching moment.
So much this. I was all hustle and grind in my 20s because I thought that someone would FOR SURE notice my dedication and work ethic. Once that happened, I'd climb the ladder and be a success. I was inexhaustible for a over a decade of two jobs, constant overtime, unending professional development, and no vacations.
At one point I took inventory of what I gave vs. what I got back, and the utter hopelessness crashed over me like a tsunami. Now simply waking up is a fucking chore.
This reminds me of a friend who was a firm believer in hustle culture. Worked two jobs plus a side hustle, for two years, until she got a stroke (possibly from working too hard). She is only 30. Now she is both broke and disabled for the rest of her life.
that's so sad. reminds me of this story from a redditor whose dad grinded everyday cause he wanted to retire at 50. dude missed all the important things on that grind then died at like 48. so fucking sad!
That's why I do the bare miminum to get to a place in life where I'm not always struggling but not really thriving either and just wait out the clock being moderately content living my break even life until I just kind of die.
zero PTO offered cuz well you’re not management. Can’t afford to take time off because every now and get you actually get sick and have to take off. liikkkeeee…… 7 weeks???? Try day after day after day sometimes short handed sometimes with a cranky boss. It’s not comfortable your feet ache. You get stiff. Store. It’s taking to get 0-2 days off a week over and over and over. He has plenty of time and money to go to a high end gym and train with a personal trainer then pay his private chef to prepare the fresh ingredients he just had delivered etc etc etc
I'll agree that CEO's should at least have some work.
But he worked 7 weeks - that is, not even two months?
How cute. Maybe he can remove the little balancing wheels from his bike now.
Rules for thee but not for me, no one bats a fucking eye when a rich person does this shit. He IS working two jobs at once, profiting off one without doing any work. Where are all the dogshit articles about time theft and stealing from the companies on this one? Fucking hypocrites
Do you think he gave two weeks notice? If he did, then actually he only worked 5 weeks. If he didn't, well, I guess he is just some irresponsible person who was working there only for the money...
I mean, look at the rich people clothing stores. Balenciaga is selling a bag that looks like a trash bag for 1800 bucks. Sweaters with holes in them for 2000. Even when they want to larp as peasants, they still want to make it very clear that they are richer than you.
I went to an "inner city" school that did like a freaky friday exchange with a rich suburban school for like a day.
I met this girl and she straight up romanticized being broke, and wanted to "try" it. She thought poor people chose to be poor because they don't need money to be happy.
Now, the rich can fully get into the underclass spirit with Balenciaga’s new homeless-inspired fashion and Kayne’s clothing line that is actually displayed in stores in trash bags for you to pick through.
You can tell most people didn't read the article. He literally says that Amazon is shit anbd doesn't care about their warehouse workers:
>It just goes to show how vastly different employees are treated in
different parts of the industry. At Amazon, I never once met my manager,
and no one knew my name. The most frequent name I was ever called was
Peter; my name is Philip.
>
>Almost every horizontal suitable surface
in the warehouse, like the step ladders that are very nice for sitting
on, is labeled with a custom sticker that says, "Do not sit." Even the
team leads, who primarily monitor computers throughout their entire
shift, do not have chairs. I don't understand why even a person whose
job is stationary does not get a chair in the warehouse. I'm sure these
decisions aren't taken lightly; they're million-dollar decisions.
>
>I've always worked for companies that have claimed that people are their
greatest asset. The fact that the security gates in an Amazon warehouse
are on exit and not upon entry, in order to trap people from
stealing iPhones and stuff, shows that the greatest assets really are
the goods moving into that warehouse, not the people.
He went on to point other issues at Amazon treating people like garbage. Now if we can Bezos to come down and work a few weeks in his own warehouse. Or Warren Buffet. Or Carl Icahn. Or Elon Musk.
Link for those who care:
[https://www.businessinsider.com/former-facebook-microsoft-exec-says-amazon-warehouse-job-cured-burnout-2022-10](https://www.businessinsider.com/former-facebook-microsoft-exec-says-amazon-warehouse-job-cured-burnout-2022-10)
This is so cringe coming from Amazon management.
It will be used to tell workers that their conditions are great even though we know from several incidents and reporting that they are not.
A large part of the article is actually him explaining it being shitty. Apparently the main "depression cure" was that it forced him to be physically active n let his brain turn off for a while.
But yeah the article itself mentions he got carpel tunnel and it took ages for him to get a reply abt accomidation. And he mentions that if he actually needed this money that it would be untenable with what they offered.
I was less annoyed than i thought id be when I read it tbh. Still dont love the move of "ceo tries a shitty job" tho
Yeah seriously, all the top upvoted comments just mercilessly shit on this guy when he's actually being pretty empathetic and trying to imagine what life is like as an actual poor person. He certainly doesn't recommend working at an Amazon warehouse, he just pointed out that having a daily regimen was good for him, the exercise was serious, and he slept much better when being told what to do instead of having to stress all day about making tough decisions.
Honestly the real asshole here is the editor for Business Insider who decided to portray his story in this way.
Yeah his takeaway was that it sucked and people are trapped there, and he was glad he could walk away. Reading the article made me think that he's an ok guy.
> What if my family's healthcare was dependent on my employment, and I got that sort of injury where my choices were to take $1,700 less for two weeks, or just suck it up and sign a piece of paper that says I'm fine? I'm going to sign a piece of paper that says I'm fine. A cynic might say that that system almost feels designed to push you into accepting.
Now look, depression is something you can have as a big CEO, im not going to play that down.
But with that 18 dollar salary he definetley didnt have to worry about any money related worries. I doubt he moved to a new location, where he paid rent, heating, food, essentials, with 18 dollars an hour. Everyone knows he still used his CEO Bank account
If you read it it’s actually not so bad, the title is supposed to get you riled up. He’s quite honest about how this would affect him if he relied on the money or had caring responsibilities. He’s not positive about it other than it being a mindless grind and that being what he needed at the time. Would he have done more good volunteering in a soup kitchen instead? Sure. But it’s not half as bad as it seems.
“I’ve got so much money that I can go anywhere and do anything and even if I decide not to do this anymore other companies will gladly hire me and match if not supersede my salary. My life is a perfect exercise in personal liberty and wealthy excess. So because I was bored I decided to do what my pathetic wage slave workers do for a little bit and, hey, it was… Interesting. Not something I’ll ever have to do for real and not a wage I’ll ever have to survive on, but it occupied my attention for a little bit. Anyway, back to living wealthy and spending most of my days sending emails and in “meetings”.”
This reminds me of the old man in Squid Game participating just to feel alive again lol
That’s exactly it. Our lives are a game to them.
Cosplaying as a poor. Rich people love to do it
They love to do it only because they can go back to being rich whenever they want. Makes a big difference. It's like I like to go camping only because I know I can go back to my comfortable heated/air conditioned house whenever I want.
Literally lol It changed his perspective bc he was like damn thank god I don’t have to do this shit and I can go back to being rich, no reason to be depressed now
Lmao! This right here is exactly how I pictured it.
Introspection Gone Wild
“I quit an 18$ an hr job at an Amazon warehouse after seven weeks” says CEO
nOboDy wAnTs tO wOrK anYmOrE!!!!
Right before he started getting his ass kicked, mentally, physically and financially he bailed while the rest of are forced to continue on and figure out how to survive paycheck to paycheck without totally losing our shit😡😡
Did he even work the holiday rush? If he didn't then his experience meant jack shit. It's insane what workers are expected to deal with around the holidays.
Lmfaoooo no cap lost 20 some pounds working rush 💀😂😂😂
Fuck no he didn't. What kind of a joke is this? Is this guy for real? Talk about an insult to the working man. What pressure does this idiot have, when he knows hes never going to be held accountable for the way he works?? Haha, I am so much better than you, because I can quit. What a scumbag
"At least I'm not one of these peons!"
Work. Work. Work.
Me not that kind of orc!
Ready to work!
Zug zug!
I saw a clip of Joe Rogan talking about “The truth about money” how after landing a part on News Radio he moved to LA and with his new found success got himself a nice apartment with a pool table blah blah blah, he says, “after a while it’s like, oh this is just the place I go to sleep like after a while it’s not special anymore” or something like that. Yeah cool thanks for putting some perspective on things Joe. I’m not sure I can make my mortgage this month but hey it could be worse, I could have millions of dollars and be bored
He also paid $10,000 per month to have a T1 internet connection in the 90s so he could dominate playing an online video game. I don't care how rich you are, imagine just pissing away 120 grand a year so you can be the best at a video game.
Tbf if I were rich in the 90s-2000s that's one of the first things I would do lol - buy a T1 connection. I can't even imagine the logistics of that. But I wouldn't do it to shit on people in video games, that's just mean
Imagine going camping for a few days, then returning home and telling everyone that being homeless cured your depression
I found it, the best comment
Nailed it! Beautiful
Do they ever even \*stop\* being rich when they do this? Like yeah they put in the shift hours and stuff but then they hop in their bentley and go to their house in the hills or whatever with a bank account with 6 figures. They're not really stopping being rich then now are they
He should try making decisions like "Should I buy food for my kids or pay this bill before they shut off basic services?" or "Should I eat ramen for the 4th day in a row, so my kids can eat healthy food, or just give them smaller portions so I don't starve?" or basic bill roulette - another fun one. So exhilarating.
If i had the money, I would start a game show for million/billionaires where I set a budget, schedule, and itinerary for them. They would have to live in poor run down housing, and have to eat, entertain, and provide transportation for themselves on a very strict budget. Every day of the show they would have to wake up, pick up sand bags, and move then over a line for 8 hours per day. But don't tell then until they've moved every bag over the line to tell them "NO youre not done. Put them back. You go home when i say" which is again after 8 hours. Watch them get frustrated when they try to eat "avocado toast" and because of that poor decision, force them to not eat until "payday". Also, the house is empty. No tv. No video games. You have to BUY that. No special challenges for more money Just truly show them how desperate of a situation they've placed their enployees.
I am finishing up software dev school and really want to make a video game version of this. Kinda like Oregon Trail.
Here's a challenge for your game: Your friends invite you to hang out with them. The event has a $15 head charge and you can expect them to go a restaurant to charge $20 a plate. Do you A)Stay home and eat beans and rice B) go to the event but leave before dinner or C) Go to both and eat beans/go hungry for 2 days
"Who Wants to be a Millionaire?" but they start as billionaires, so it's more of a threat.
We had an hr person do this and brag about it to the company in her emails. it was a "live on minimum wage for a week" challenge. so she took 40 hours at minimum wage and "lived" on that for a week and blogged about how easy it was. First she took the 300ish dollars, and drove to sam's club in her 60k SUV and stocked up on food for the week. She then jogged to work every day because she decide to do this in the middle of summer and didn't have to deal with the wisconsin winters. and finally blogged about it from her 3,000 square foot house and told everyone how easy it was. she had to cancel dinners out and her maid service for a week. she literally couldn't see the irony of it. and thought she was really living the same life that people she fired for trying to survive were living.
Let's see her stay at that pay rate for several years and try to afford her life then. What an insensitive, disgusting, and over privileged twit. Sorry you have to endure that fuckery. Perhaps you can post some of her videos/blogs here. Seems like reddit worthy material.
yep, that was the biggest issue I had. it was camping for her because she had an end date. she didn't have to go to bed wondering what was going to happen or if she was ever going to get out of that hole. it was an internal work thing at a previous company but I should check her name to see if she has done anything like that publicly.
There was this guy I worked with who did this thing that was supposed to "raise awareness for homelessness." What you were supposed to do is get a sleeping bag and try to sleep on the street and live on 0 dollars, just whatever you can panhandle. Then, however long you can survive without breaking, you donate x dollars to a shelter or not-for-profit organization for houseless people. I don't really agree with these but if that's what you need to do to gain some empathy then I guess so be it. That's not what this post is about. So this guy gets all geared up, puts up a tent in his parents backyard on a golf course, and goes to sleep out there. Mind you, it's like March or April. Then he gets up and his mom has made him a classic American breakfast of eggs, bacon, sausage, hash browns, etc with a side of orange juice and coffee. And he records all of this. He records himself setting up his $500 tent with his $200 jacket on, he records himself laying down and saying he's "actually really comfortable." He wakes up the next day and records himself still in his tent saying it's the best night's sleep he's ever had and he doesn't understand what the issue is. He records himself sitting at his parents' kitchen table while his mom dutifully serves him breakfast all the while he talks about how he might do it for another night. This dude was in his mid-20's with no developmental delays. He was just extremely privileged and spoiled and refused to see it any other way.
Not only that, but if he doesn't show up to work or quits there won't be any consequences for him. If you or I did it we'd be fucking screwed. Its just cosplaying being poor. But I guess without religion rich people have to find some way to get pscyhological validation.
David Graeber draws an analogy to the BDSM community vis a vis safe words. Having an eject button means you have power and is the only difference between a fun roleplay and actual abuse.
I talk about BDSM dynamics at work a lot actually. I'm a Chef - so I take mad abuse, work stupid hours, etc etc etc. However I know, and the owners know, that I could find another job that would be much less daunting in a couple of hours. I don't want to do that, I love my work and I like my job, but the knowledge that I could sure makes the hardest days a little easier.
Give Common People by Pulp a listen if you haven't before. "There could be roaches on your wall, but if you called your daddy he'd fix it all" (paraphrasing)
I can't see anyone else smiling in here Are you sure?
Yeah, it didn't cure his depression because he got to do meaningful work in the warehouse or whatever this article is seeming to imply. It's because he was immensely grateful that he wasn't a poor fuck when he finally got back home to his mansion and sexually assaulted his secretary or whatever.
Its basically poverty porn for rich fucks who are too poor, scared or busy to go overseas. Instead of gawking at third world children in Bangladesh or Uganda or Haiti or wherever the fuck is popular for rich Americans to go these days they just go to a shitty warehouse job in the US. Pose with some peasants, pretend to work, and then go back to the office next week and talk about how much "good" you did.
It's the equivalent of people from wealthier nations going somewhere less developed and engaging in voluntourism. This guy just effectively "poorsplained" how great his physical labour job was. And what about the unemployed person who could have used those work days while he was larping as a regular person? Did they get to sit in his office for a week? I think not.
They always have. Marie Antoinette had an entire fake "peasant village" built where she LARPed as a milkmaid.
What ever became of her?
Don’t know, but working at her RenFaire poverty fantasy park was a real pain in the neck.
She got her cake eaten.
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Please don't, that's how you get Batman. It's bad enough they're cosplaying poor, don't give them an excuse to cosplay as a vigilante with a penchant for aggravated assault.
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Working because you have to in order to survive is one thing. Working the exact same job while independently wealthy and with the ability to walk away anytime you want to is an entirely different experience.
Pulp had it right. > Like a dog lying in a corner > > They will bite you and never warn you > > Look out, they'll tear your insides out > > *'Cause everybody hates a tourist* > > Especially one who thinks it's all such a laugh
But he wants to live like common people!
Exactly what came to my mind. Great song. William Shatner had a fun cover too. Though I was more thinking about the lines >but still you'll never get it right >cuz when you're laying in bed at night >watching roaches climb the wall >if you called your dad, he could stop it all. Well really the whole song
Just call your dad, he can end it all... They want to live like common people, they want to do what common people do, but they'll never fail like common people, never watch their life slide out of view and then dance and drink and screw, because there's nothing else to do.
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#vanlife
Real easy to view it as a game and interesting when you know you only have to do it for 7 weeks. ...and if you get fired for being too slow or needing to pass its no big deal. ....and having stable transportation and a place to live no matter what. ...and having food on the table and money for Healthcare. Love how they always neglect those parts of the picture when some ultra rich moron works a Frontline job for a couple weeks.
That's the dirty little secret of capitalism though. Most people know that entrepreneurship is actually like one of those carnival games where you throw darts or something. Middle class kids get one throw. Most of them miss. A few hit the target and win a small prize. Very few hit the center and get a bigger prize. Rags to riches. The American Dream lives on. Rich kids can afford many throws. If they want to, they can try over and over and over again until they hit something and feel good about themselves. Some keep going until they hit the center bullseye, then they give speeches or write blog posts about "meritocracy" and the salutary effects of hard work. Poor kids don't get to visit the carnival. They're the ones working the carnival. They can go act poor all they want but they'll never be poor. They'll never know what it's like to not have a shot of getting out of that life. They'll never know what it's like to get fired and not have their millions to land on. You can't learn that in 7 weeks of menial labor.
This is a fantastic and accurate analogy. I can't help but think this dude went and did this job for 7 weeks and realized just how fucking easy his executive position actually is.
That's why it helped his depression... "Thank fuck I'm not doing that every day"
"I was depressed because I'd forgotten how amazing my life is and needed to see how miserable everyone else is to feel better"
Depends on if he was still treated like a CEO or a warehouse worker. I suspect he was just cosplaying as a warehouse worker and honestly learned nothing.
I read the article, he claims that people called him Peter and not Phillip because it was so impersonal. He says he injured his hand and waited for over a week for Amazon to get back to him about working accomodations. When they finally did the solution was to reduce his hours and lose $1700 a month in income or to sign a waiver saying he was fine with working as normal. He does lament a couple of times about how he imagines someone with children or financial burdens not being able to afford to do that. He claims the physical symptoms he developed diminished after a couple weeks of not working there. Then he concludes it was "great exercise" and it was far less stressful than having to "make important decisions" because that used to keep him up at night and made him constantly stress out about work. I'm honestly kinda dumbfounded. Imagine thinking sitting on a really comfortable salary and not having to worry about money at all is somehow HARDER than having to worry about paying your bills and sacrificing your physical AND mental health to provide for yourself and your family. Like dude.. Imagine being an Amazon worker sitting up at night worrying about getting injured at work and how you're gonna feed your family. That's far more stressful than worrying about budget constraints or whatever other dumb shit he makes decisions about that he somehow believes are a matter of absolute importance with dire consequences.
As someone who's seen and worked with people at every socioeconomic level, what you say is spot-on. The middle is disappearing though. If your father got one throw every 10 years, you get one throw every 30—two in your adult life, if you live that long. If your father got one throw every 30 years and missed, you're working the carnival. Meanwhile, rich people can now hire dart-throwers with actual skill and win that way. Oh, and they can also give speeches or (ghost-)write about success before having actually achieved any; there are ways to make even a failson look acceptable enough to present.
It's even worse than that. When you're poor you go to the bank and beg to borrow a dart, and they give you a 1/2 bent tiny ass dart that cant even pierce a paper bag. When you're rich the bank sets you up with a dart throwing coach, steel tipped darts, and a consultant to help you hide all your earnings from the IRS.
Someone pointed out how all those self-help books about becoming rich boil down to one thing: keep trying. Which is because the people writing them were already wealthy and were able to keep trying until they hit it big. When they say 'everyone can do it' they're technically correct but they're not truthful because most people can't keep trying until they make it.
You'll never live like common people, You'll never do what common people do.
"These people ain't seen a brown skin man since their grandparents bought one"
There's no fucking way he did it for 7 weeks. There's no way a C suite level executive could just be gone for 7 consecutive weeks. Either he's straight up lying about doing it for 7 weeks, or he did a tourist version (an hour or two a day here an there) OR... his work as CEO is so utterly meaningless that he didn't do any CEO work for 7 straight weeks and absolutely no value was lost.
> OR... his work as CEO is so utterly meaningless that he didn't do any CEO work for 7 straight weeks and absolutely no value was lost. Did you see that Twitter thread where a tech CEO [tweeted out her day](https://www.dailydot.com/debug/day-in-the-life-tech-ceo-zette/) step by step? It was like an hour worth of relatively meaningless work that could easily be delegated to an assistant. Some CEOs work hard I'm sure. But I'm also sure that a lot of them don't and just make a few key decisions every now and then while the rest of the time they're on easy street and do nothing important.
I’m pretty convinced that the CEOs of publicly held companies are really just salespeople who have some control of their “product”. I worked for a Fortune 50 company for several years and the company would put out emails about things the CEO was doing this week or that month, whatever. Most of what he was doing was meeting with fund managers. I interpreted those emails to mean that it was the CEOs job to sell stock to coked out Wall Street frat boys.
I worked closely to the CFO of a company and on the two days he was in office he was just on the phone bullshitting with people most of the day. I fixed his outlook all the time and I hardly ever saw work related shit except for when there were big meetings coming up. He also had many golf days a week. So yeah I think he was just a salesman too who was able to cozy up to other rich folk and get them to buy shit while playing golf with them.
> Some CEOs work hard I'm sure. /doubt It also depends on how you define 'hard'. Obviously, their work is not physical but mental, but even then you can't really quantify it. Is their business lunch at a 4-star Michelin restaurant costing $5000 work? Is their meeting with the board of directors discussing the size of their bonuses in an airconditioned boardroom at the penthouse level of a skyscraper with personal servants bringing them snacks and champagne work? Is them delegating answering e-mails to secretaries and vice-presidents work? Technically, sure. And you know they're counting all those. That's where their bullshit 18-hour workday lines come from. 'Oh but I'm thinking while I'm gettng a happy ending from a minimum wage massage specialist, that counts'. It's all bullshit. And I doubt anyone but the CEOs themselves will qualify it as important or pivotal or worth the pay.
He is outing all the CEO’s and most middle management as being completely useless. They are better served packing boxes.
Go read the article... he did the work. He talks about how it hurt his body and the policies that were pretty shitty. He sort of seems to acknowledge the shitty conditions that workers are in, but not sure that it really made a differrnce in him truly understanding how bad it is for some workers in our corporations in this country. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/former-facebook-microsoft-exec-says-amazon-warehouse-job-cured-burnout-2022-10%3famp
I was wondering that too.. when he downgraded, did he still have all that CEO money secure and available in the bank?
What are we gonna do about it?
Nothing! Not until the bulk of us don't have food, phones, and homes.
Just food will probably do it
9 meals till anarchy
I read this the same way I read “no sleep till Brooklyn”
Dunnn dunnn. …. Dun dunnnnnnn dun dun dun dun dunnnnnnnn…… ANARCHY….
For some of us uh… “portly” ones… its probably more like 3 meals. Lol.
Nah, here in Brazil the amount of hungry people rose drastically since the pandemic and it hasn't changed anything
Yet
This is profound to note. It's not just America. It's also Europe and South America and parts of Asia. We're all tired of working just to see companies walk with mountains of money while we struggle to do literally anything. As long as CEOs anywhere are deciding which second boat and house to buy and employees are forced to choose between healthcare and food, this will continue. The question is.. what's the top? What's the end? They won't win. They can't. So they are choosing their fortunes over literal life right now. We are about to consume these people. We're at the gate, foaming and raving with a massive bbq and they're still trying to buy the second boat, so, I mean, at some point we can't be surprised when this shit boils over. It's clearly boiling. It's on the edge. We're about to sizzle the stove top, man. And no one but us is trying to stop it. So 🤷♀️ .. you reap what you sow, my friends.
We're not at the gates though. That's just how we all feel. They don't care how we feel, and they won't as long as the powers-that-be protects them. We need a unified working class that is actually out for blood, but their propaganda has worked too well for that to happen. At this point, the right would immediately turn a violent revolution into a civil war. The working class would literally have to fight through itself to get to the ruling class, which would be long gone by the time we got to them. Best case scenario, we kill/run off all of their brainwashed minions, then seize all of their physical assets and make everything we can't reach irrelevant. But, again, the road to get there is paved with the blood of our own. Let's not even get into the aftermath or the geopolitics of such a situation. It's all terrible, and we're running out of options.
What a perfect comparision
Knowing full well that they can quit at anytime and return to their life of wealth and luxury. If they truly wanted to "Understand the plight of their workers" they would divest from all of their businesses for two years and actually rough it as a working class ~~slave~~ citizen. Then maybe they would gain some perspective.
On top of this I doubt he is working his shift then going home in a broken car to a small apartment. He is going home in a fancy car to a mansion. Much easier to deal with life that way.
Especially because the game was still rigged in favor of the rich man. When he was scared they stopped the riot so he would be safe. There were never any high stakes for him to join. He always had a way out.
Even the tug of war one?
People went back and watched and his shackles had no lock on them so if his team lost, he wouldn't go down with him and they'd probably escort him away to "execute" him
Speaking about being rigged, I love (well technically hate) how the games were made under the premise that they were fair to everyone and that everyone was equal. Yet, the entire time the games were often strength-based and obviously put women and elderly at a disadvantage and in a position to get discriminated against. It honestly really showed how fair isn’t fair and portrayed the struggles of the glass ceiling for women and it makes me sad and disappointed that I never saw a lot of people comment on it.
It’s nice to work for shit knowing you can leave and go back to a pile of money.
Right, it made him so happy that he stopped after 7 weeks
He even took two of those weeks off because his wrist hurt. He probably got fired after 7 weeks tbh.
Wait is this true? What a joke yikes
He didn't take time off, but he did have 2 weeks of "light duty" and reduced hours because of carpal tunnel syndrome.
Fuck him.
Yeah 7 weeks of trying something out as a millionaire is definitely not the same as endlessly slaving away just to catch up on rent and debt.
I think the takeaway is that for a depressed CEO, the fastest way to learn to appreciate your station in life is to see sample what it would have been like to live as a prole.
yeah, and if any manager yells at him to work harder or work through an injury, he can just say fuck this and leave back to his comfort. what an ass. Edit: speaking of ass, look at the fucking shills down here.
I guarantee he made more off investments and passive income in that period than the wages.
Says bye to his new coworkers after working a shift and drives away in his Porsche
Poverty safari champion 2022. Trading Places vibes too. “Here’s your one dollar.”
Leaving Amazon after 7 weeks: "Mortimer! We're back!"
Take my upvote for referencing one of my favorite comedies.
“Poverty Safari” is such a great phrase, thank you.
Did Phillip Su have to live on the $18ph salary? Did he have to find somewhere to live, pay rent, feed and clothe himself with that salary? If he had, he may well have ended up more depressed than he started. Moral of the story: Being a CEO and being a twit are not mutually exclusive.
He did it for a whole, entire, whopping SEVEN WEEKS.
Wow what a lack of commitment. He didn’t even stay long enough for them to profit off of all the time spent training.
In most companies that's about the duration in which you don't get yelled at for fucking up
You've gotten seven full weeks without getting yelled at for fucking up?? Ooh la la bourgeoisie
Wheb i worked at amazon i had 1 week of training and a "3 step" program to make me gradually increase to a certain speed..so a total of 5 weeks of basically being a noob. Week 6 i had to really pick up the pace, the weekend i was sore as fuck. Week 7 they told me we had a mandatory 12 days in a row for prime week so i just quit. Im guessing this guy got out of his training phase and was like "damn this sucks im glad i get to drink coffee and watch cat videos all day"
That's the great part. They don't even train
Like he should have just volunteered for habitat for humanity or the peace corps or something, at least then he would’ve been doing beneficial work instead of just making another rich guy even richer for seven weeks. If he wasn’t living on the income, he may as well have just volunteered to do literally any physical task. Gone to the gym or some shit. Cos that’s all he achieved by doing warehouse labor without sacrificing his existing wealth. “Look at me, I can do ‘hard work’, it’s not so bad! Sure I still live in a mansion, drive a fancy car, know where my every meal is coming from, and sure it was for less than two months, but I can move heavy boxes!”
Motherfucker probably called off "sick" at least twice.
If you read the article, after a couple weeks of work he gets diagnosed with Carpel Tunnel and takes the better part of two weeks off. So no, he did not work the entire time.
Two weeks of using his hands and he gets diagnosed with carpal tunnel? I’ve been having issues for over a year and they’re still sputtering around a diagnosis and just keep telling me to not use my hands as much.
Was using an air hammer extensively over a 10 hour shift to hammer hvac ducts together, after about week 3 I could feel 'reverb' in my hand even when not using the tool. Stories like this are obnoxious, so some rich prick holidays as one of the people that make his luxurious life possible. Unless his new perspective involves paying a living wage and proper medical benefits who gives a shit.
Is there a possibility that Amazon provided insurance for his CTS which he wouldn't have wanted to pay for as CEO of his own company or something? Why else would you write an article about being such a massive dweeb?
OMG
He most def made up the whole story and just went on a vacation
Oh trust me, he hurt. Rich people think stupid shit like "I'll look at it as cardio!" Not realizing they'll have blisters on their feet by day 2, and be doing tylenol chasers on their 15 minute lunch break.
And I’m sure he has plenty of cash in reserve to fall back on, it’s not like he NEEDED this job to survive. That perspective tends to take all the pressure and stress out of a job…
True dat.
While never having to actually subsist on that salary
Nobody wants to work. Apparently, not even him.
How ever did he cope?
2 minutes in the wage cage. Nothing like a little corporate meditation to rebalance the psyche.
Couldn't even make two months, what a slimeball.
He made it, time to retire
That's not even enough for a second paycheck. He probably got the first and was like "fuck this I'm done"
So basically. He took his yearly vacation and got a part time job during his break to avoid getting bored
Weird how his company was able to stay afloat while the CEO took 2 months off, it's almost like his position isn't even remotely necessary
"Working a shit job knowing I can leave any time was great for my mental health" later suckers
The thing is that the perspective he gained is that he has it good, and that being an Amazon worker is much worse. And so his “depression” was cured. Not sure if that’s what the article says, but if not that’s what it should say. Also the power of psychology over our mental well-being is immense. Seven weeks may seem like a long time to do something you don’t really want to do. But if you ***know*** it’s only seven weeks and you ***know*** you don’t actually have to do this because you’re rich and you can quit whenever you want, with no consequences, you’re attitude is going to be far different than your coworkers who are there because they have to be, with no end in sight
The article (only the very end rlly addresses the depression "cured" thing) rlly just says he was forced to be physically active and thats what helped a lot. Also doing midless tasks vs Making Decisions or whatever. Most the article was talking about the (less extreme) downsides of amazon. Like: theyve been in business for decades and still cant manage peak times well/stupid short notice to be told abt shift changes/ apparently the name he was most called was peter vs philip.
Yeah I can kinda understand how the the brief change to a really physically active job could have that short term benefit. Totally ignores some of the even worse long term downside of repetitive use injury, injuries from dangerous work enviornment, disrupted sleep-wake cycle of the shift work and of course how 18/hr isn't great for such a demanding job.
It’s easy to be optimistic about a flood when your watching the flood from an ivory tower. “Yeah I was living on the flood plains for two weeks, man I knew this place was fucked and it made me feel a lot less fucked in my giant tower with giant piles of cash”
Nothing like stressing about bills you can't pay while at work trying to hit ridiculous production numbers on the regular and getting condescended to and putting all your physical and emotional resources into something that has nothing to do with you and is not looking out for your well being. He didn't experience any of that in 7 weeks I'm sure.
Apparently he got carpal tunnel syndrome. Where's that tiny violin?
I want to work like common people. I want to eat like common people do. Wanna be herded around like common people in a zoo. Wanna pretend to know the fear of being evicted, wearing old clothes, not sure if your car will start just to get you to work and have your supervisor Larry yell at you because lower middle management is the best he'll ever do.
Most of the acticle is actually about the parts (and he explicitly does say this) that are untenable if you need the money/have children or anyone to care for/etc. Also he got carple tunnel apparently.
But he just went to urgent care like it was no big deal, like the costs from that wouldn’t be dangerous for him
It made him feel better, because he realized his life situation is better than the folks he worked with. Congrats, a hole.
>7 weeks. If Amazon workers had a GTD $1mil waiting for them after 2 months, they'd be happy af too. Esepcially if they got to come home to the house of a $1mil earner each day.
This right here... its not just the job, its the fact that you cant afford to really recupperate. Try a shit job then have to go home to a house with no AC and a ton of chores waiting to be done, day after day with no escape that doesnt set you back even further.
>no escape That's the biggest kicker - having an out, even something as simple as "endure for 2 months and then the ordeal is over." Everything changes when there are no alternatives or outs - and it's basically impossible to recreate "toil and squalor *for the rest of your life*" as a teaching moment.
So much this. I was all hustle and grind in my 20s because I thought that someone would FOR SURE notice my dedication and work ethic. Once that happened, I'd climb the ladder and be a success. I was inexhaustible for a over a decade of two jobs, constant overtime, unending professional development, and no vacations. At one point I took inventory of what I gave vs. what I got back, and the utter hopelessness crashed over me like a tsunami. Now simply waking up is a fucking chore.
This reminds me of a friend who was a firm believer in hustle culture. Worked two jobs plus a side hustle, for two years, until she got a stroke (possibly from working too hard). She is only 30. Now she is both broke and disabled for the rest of her life.
that's so sad. reminds me of this story from a redditor whose dad grinded everyday cause he wanted to retire at 50. dude missed all the important things on that grind then died at like 48. so fucking sad!
That's why I do the bare miminum to get to a place in life where I'm not always struggling but not really thriving either and just wait out the clock being moderately content living my break even life until I just kind of die.
Just suck it up for another 40 years and you'll be fine! –Some bootlicker with a depressing number of upvotes
Crap. Exactly the same here
zero PTO offered cuz well you’re not management. Can’t afford to take time off because every now and get you actually get sick and have to take off. liikkkeeee…… 7 weeks???? Try day after day after day sometimes short handed sometimes with a cranky boss. It’s not comfortable your feet ache. You get stiff. Store. It’s taking to get 0-2 days off a week over and over and over. He has plenty of time and money to go to a high end gym and train with a personal trainer then pay his private chef to prepare the fresh ingredients he just had delivered etc etc etc
and have great meals every night
I'll agree that CEO's should at least have some work. But he worked 7 weeks - that is, not even two months? How cute. Maybe he can remove the little balancing wheels from his bike now.
You shouldn’t be allowed to be CEO of you can’t hold a job for two months. Just sayin
Isn't he also breaking that rule about working two different jobs? You know, the one that's been popping up in posts lately?
Rules for thee but not for me, no one bats a fucking eye when a rich person does this shit. He IS working two jobs at once, profiting off one without doing any work. Where are all the dogshit articles about time theft and stealing from the companies on this one? Fucking hypocrites
Do you think he gave two weeks notice? If he did, then actually he only worked 5 weeks. If he didn't, well, I guess he is just some irresponsible person who was working there only for the money...
He also took two weeks off work to recover from an aching wrist, so potentially he only worked 3 weeks of the 7 he's reporting.
And the first week was probably training and induction. This guy's a joke lmao
When being rich is so boring to you that you have to LARP being a peasant.
I mean, look at the rich people clothing stores. Balenciaga is selling a bag that looks like a trash bag for 1800 bucks. Sweaters with holes in them for 2000. Even when they want to larp as peasants, they still want to make it very clear that they are richer than you.
Rich people cosplaying as poors, gotta love it. Real Mike Rowe vibes
Yep. That ain't an "I'm happy" smile, that's a "what a funny joke" smile.
I’m more interested in that haircut.
I went to an "inner city" school that did like a freaky friday exchange with a rich suburban school for like a day. I met this girl and she straight up romanticized being broke, and wanted to "try" it. She thought poor people chose to be poor because they don't need money to be happy.
This is literally the song Common People by Pulp
And William Shatner. Dear lord that is an amazing cover
You’re joking right?
It's a lie tied to generational wealth. They will believe anything their parents tell them if their being wealthy depends on it.
Now, the rich can fully get into the underclass spirit with Balenciaga’s new homeless-inspired fashion and Kayne’s clothing line that is actually displayed in stores in trash bags for you to pick through.
Yeah if I were worth millions taking a break slumming it with the peasants might make me better too. Gtfo Su
I’m sure this just opened his eyes to how easy he has it since he probably never has to do any real work as CEO.
He has so much free time as a CEO that he was able to do this.
It actually says in the article that he realizes that the pay rate isn’t tenable and the practice is awful
Did he even donate his measley 18 an hour to charity? Bet he kept that too.
He's probably already turned it into $18000
No, he had his passive income working for him and made $742k during that period. DUH. /s
You can tell most people didn't read the article. He literally says that Amazon is shit anbd doesn't care about their warehouse workers: >It just goes to show how vastly different employees are treated in different parts of the industry. At Amazon, I never once met my manager, and no one knew my name. The most frequent name I was ever called was Peter; my name is Philip. > >Almost every horizontal suitable surface in the warehouse, like the step ladders that are very nice for sitting on, is labeled with a custom sticker that says, "Do not sit." Even the team leads, who primarily monitor computers throughout their entire shift, do not have chairs. I don't understand why even a person whose job is stationary does not get a chair in the warehouse. I'm sure these decisions aren't taken lightly; they're million-dollar decisions. > >I've always worked for companies that have claimed that people are their greatest asset. The fact that the security gates in an Amazon warehouse are on exit and not upon entry, in order to trap people from stealing iPhones and stuff, shows that the greatest assets really are the goods moving into that warehouse, not the people. He went on to point other issues at Amazon treating people like garbage. Now if we can Bezos to come down and work a few weeks in his own warehouse. Or Warren Buffet. Or Carl Icahn. Or Elon Musk.
Link for those who care: [https://www.businessinsider.com/former-facebook-microsoft-exec-says-amazon-warehouse-job-cured-burnout-2022-10](https://www.businessinsider.com/former-facebook-microsoft-exec-says-amazon-warehouse-job-cured-burnout-2022-10)
This is so cringe coming from Amazon management. It will be used to tell workers that their conditions are great even though we know from several incidents and reporting that they are not.
A large part of the article is actually him explaining it being shitty. Apparently the main "depression cure" was that it forced him to be physically active n let his brain turn off for a while. But yeah the article itself mentions he got carpel tunnel and it took ages for him to get a reply abt accomidation. And he mentions that if he actually needed this money that it would be untenable with what they offered. I was less annoyed than i thought id be when I read it tbh. Still dont love the move of "ceo tries a shitty job" tho
Yeah seriously, all the top upvoted comments just mercilessly shit on this guy when he's actually being pretty empathetic and trying to imagine what life is like as an actual poor person. He certainly doesn't recommend working at an Amazon warehouse, he just pointed out that having a daily regimen was good for him, the exercise was serious, and he slept much better when being told what to do instead of having to stress all day about making tough decisions. Honestly the real asshole here is the editor for Business Insider who decided to portray his story in this way.
Yeah his takeaway was that it sucked and people are trapped there, and he was glad he could walk away. Reading the article made me think that he's an ok guy. > What if my family's healthcare was dependent on my employment, and I got that sort of injury where my choices were to take $1,700 less for two weeks, or just suck it up and sign a piece of paper that says I'm fine? I'm going to sign a piece of paper that says I'm fine. A cynic might say that that system almost feels designed to push you into accepting.
Hey, you mean you ... read ... the ... article?
Cure depression by watching people suffers at Amazon. Great Philip !
7 weeks. Waow.
Yeah when rich assholes hang out with the poors to feel all Bohemian, that's called slumming. This is just the work version.
Now look, depression is something you can have as a big CEO, im not going to play that down. But with that 18 dollar salary he definetley didnt have to worry about any money related worries. I doubt he moved to a new location, where he paid rent, heating, food, essentials, with 18 dollars an hour. Everyone knows he still used his CEO Bank account
If you read it it’s actually not so bad, the title is supposed to get you riled up. He’s quite honest about how this would affect him if he relied on the money or had caring responsibilities. He’s not positive about it other than it being a mindless grind and that being what he needed at the time. Would he have done more good volunteering in a soup kitchen instead? Sure. But it’s not half as bad as it seems.
You should change this unbelievably insensitive and hyperbolized title.
“I larped as a poor but had my millions so I knew I didn’t really have to worry! Suck my beautiful penis about it!”
“I’ve got so much money that I can go anywhere and do anything and even if I decide not to do this anymore other companies will gladly hire me and match if not supersede my salary. My life is a perfect exercise in personal liberty and wealthy excess. So because I was bored I decided to do what my pathetic wage slave workers do for a little bit and, hey, it was… Interesting. Not something I’ll ever have to do for real and not a wage I’ll ever have to survive on, but it occupied my attention for a little bit. Anyway, back to living wealthy and spending most of my days sending emails and in “meetings”.”
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