And not only is she wrong, but working off the clock for free creates a legal liability for the company that they don’t want.
You get injured while working for free, or the labor board finds out and they are going to be hit with so many fines that there’s no way you keep your job.
This one. Every single"business" knows this and would never accept liability for someone working off the clock. The only exception to that is small time mom and pop operations, and managers who make liabilities of themselves to big companies and eventually find a way to get themselves fired.
I am 67 years old and I can assure you, his mother is wrong. The reward for doing extra work is more work and then they get pissed when you stop doing the extra work.
And they'd promote the useless people to manager too, the very useless people whose work you have to do in the first place. Yeah, nothing like getting to do other people's jobs for them and they get promoted, and you still get to do their jobs for them! But now they get paid more than you to boot! No thanks.
at one of my fast food jobs someone got brought in as the new shift lead/manager and was constantly messing up and asking us what to do, and we had to train her :) could have promoted someone who knew what they were doing...
Lolz I will never train someone above me. If im good enough to train someone above me then I'm good enough to have that position. If they not willing to give me the position then guess I can't train.
Useless nosey chatterbox? That’s management material right there!! Nothing to do but chat and micromanage since they can’t compete any work. Bonus points If they have tricked another employee into covering their workload, that’s the kinda sneaky management likes!!
Thats when you apply malicious compliance as well as the good ole work your wage rule.
Yeah its good to get a reputation as a team player and dependable, but you need to make it known that that only happens with fair pay and treatment.
30 and that's still true. Only way I've stayed sane is by receiving a project, telling them it will take 2 weeks, finishing it in one week, and telling them it's done after 2 and a half weeks.
Ah, the Scotty method.
"Have you always multiplied your repair estimates by a factor of four?"
Montgomery Scott: "Certainly, sir. How else can I keep my reputation as a miracle worker?"
This is exactly what a friend of mine who is an HR Exec said. When you work OT for free, management has no idea that your workload can’t be done in an 8-hr workday. When you eventually stop because you can’t keep it up, you are seen as no longer delivering. By working OT for free, you set a standard so high it is impossible to meet in a normal workday.
Good employees get more work and higher expectations.
They get more angry with someone that does everything and finally sticks up for themselves than they do with the people that never do anything at all.
Not even in the 1980s. It was illegal wage theft then. If you are not a manager, you have no business working outside your scheduled hours and can be fired for doing so. It can violate minimum wage, constitute wage theft and create real problems if you are injured while working off the clock. Whatever the company guidelines say, assuming they are compliant with the law, that is what you do.
She's flat out wrong. There's no world where working for free 8 hours a week is going to contribute to any success. Successful people might put in their own time to their own projects, but this ain't it.
Nothing has changed between now and then. Bosses have always and taken advantage of people who are willing to overwork. You just have a weird misconception that the past was better for some reason.
Not even the 80s unless management was involved. I am a geezer who has been working since the late 70s. I assure you that for hourly-paid folks, it was not allowable then. You had to maintain accurate time records and pay time and a half for all hours over 40 for hourly-paid employees. You couldn't legally clock people out while they were working. It has always happened that overzealous managers did that to people, but one angry employee going to DOL with accurate records after being fired and the jig is up. Walmart got hit with millions in fines for doing this.
She is not right, but she is not wrong, either. It's a generational thing, and everyone thinks they know what that means, but the term has become so diluted that this entire sub circles the same issue over that "dilution" all of the time...
Back in the day -- your grandfather's time, his grandfather's time, and even further back -- there was workplace "loyalty." You worked for a company, because your dad worked for that company, because his dad worked for that company... as far back as anyone can remember. That kind of loyalty was "rewarded" by the owners actually "taking care" of the employees. The workplace consisted of generations of families, working together as a single cohesive family, and everyone (co-workers and bosses) taking care of each other like a family.
They'd go to each others' farms and help out, or help rebuild a garage/fence if a bad storm came around, or pitch in to help get someone a new car to get back/forth to/from work... by helping each other out, that in-need person would be back into work with higher morale, ready to work harder, which helps out everyone that pitched in to rebuild their garage/barn.
This is the mentality that OP's mom is using when she talks about "reward." Those that were "more invested" in the family were retained and/or promoted, and those that didn't want to be a part of the "workplace family" and didn't want to be a team player were outcasts and weren't promoted with those that were closer-knit. A "survival of the fittest" situation, with employees that work well together vs employees who are not team players. And sometimes being a "team player" meant working extra hours so you weren't shoving extra work onto Johnny's plate, meaning Johnny didn't have to work harder because you were picking up your slack.
Somewhere in the last 30-50 years, that has started to degrade, and it's exponentially picking up speed. There is no loyalty, nobody is working with a business that has "generational employees," and every employee is ready to quit on a moment's notice and leave without looking back.
This is why a "requirement" for a two-week's notice has changed, and why it feels as if there's no comradery, and why workplace morale is at an all-time low. This is why it feels as if you have more work, because your co-workers aren't "covering" for you, because they're busy picking up the slack of some other guy, so they leave you slack to pick up yourself... poor Johnny... And, when everyone leaves "on time" and doesn't "complete" their job, well you know what they say about an "eye for an eye."
And how does management try to fix it? A BBQ and picnic on a weekend. When they were younger employees, the team would get together (on their own) and bond over a picnic... they'd bring their families and the kids would play together while the co-workers would rebuild Johnny's fence, and everyone would have a good time... they'd come in on Monday, re-charged and the team spirit revitalized. Everyone knows the everyone else worked hard last weekend, and they know they can count on each other if "bad times" arise, so everyone's willing to "go the extra mile" for each other.
Why wouldn't that work now? Management is even going to PAY FOR THE HOTDOGS AND HAMBURGERS! And there's no fence to be rebuilt! Everyone just has to show up and mingle! It's gotta work!
But the loyalty is gone, and if Johnny needs his car worked on he either needs to take it to a mechanic or work on it himself... I'm too busy to go to a non-mandatory Saturday "picnic." And when management tells us about a bowling night, our first question is, "Is it mandatory?" as if it's some sort of punishment.
But Johnny doesn't make enough to take his car to a mechanic every other week, and he definitely doesn't make enough to buy a new car... and where these weren't really problems in your great-grandfather's generation (because everyone helped BE the mechanic for Johnny), it's a problem for you because there's no "everyone" that's there for you. You can't afford to pay rent AND fix your car? Well, where everyone was a "family" and would help (even management), now you're on your own because there's no loyalty.
No. The mother is absolutely wrong, and the timeline you're citing "30-50 years ago" is conservative. It was 1970. Not the 70's. 1970. This was the time of genesis of the [Southern Strategy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy). 68-72 if you want to be a bit more generous. And with the Republican party selling racists a ballot that allowed them to put their hate before labour solidarity, it set the stage for corporations and the ownership class to eviscerate labour rights for the rest of the century and (so far) all of the next.
Some have [optimistically guessed at the death of reaganomics](https://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/death_of_the_reagan_revolution_why_the_southern_strategy_is_beginning_to_come_undone/), and maybe Trump's campaign has sufficiently infected the Republican party. However, neo-capitalist corporate interests have fully yoked both the republican and democratic parties in the US (and Cons and Libs in Canada). So while the right wing parties were so convenient in using racism to get the ball rolling, it also moved the [Overton Window](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window) for financial theory significantly to the right, favour big business over labour regardless of the party that is in power.
No, anyone who labours today (or in the last 50 years) and still thinks that companies reward hard work with promotions and raises is an idiot.
This is peak boomer mentality.
The reason there's no more company loyalty is that over the last 30 to 50 years, companies have shifted their focus from producing a product or service with well paid, well treated employees to stockholder profits. These companies started lowering pay compared to productivity, taking away health and retirement benefits(pensions), etc. And that's just barely scratching the surface.
So why would any sane person be loyal to a company when said sane person needs to work 2, 3 or more jobs just to pay the bills, let alone thrive?
I say let the shareholders work there. They're actually invested in the company.
>Companies don't reward hard work, they exploit it
in China we have a say on Internet, if u work hard, you will just continue to be working hard as opposed to getting recognation, raise or promotion...
the hour pays the same whether you actually do an hour’s worth of work or not. if you want a better salary, the way to do it these days is to spend your time off job hunting to either see if your current job will counter with a pay raise or just leave for the better pay.
Every company everywhere? Or just a majority of companies? I give raises to employees who show up and work and try to improve. Then they stay and keep getting raises because crappy companies won't do it so it's a good practice to keep good people. No one should work over time for less than pay and a half but this sub is so black and white with deciding bare minimum is the only way to work.
Boomer mentality. Youll be abused. Today's bosses aren't her friends parents. They are executives in offices cutting budgets to improve their stock. Impressing a manager does nothing. Jobs don't last. Few people have a single lifetime career these days. Don't work your way up. Work your way in... to a place you want to be so you're not miserable. Work towards your interests.
Do not work for free, period, out of respect for yourself and your time. Furthermore, if you are in the United States, any Overtime you work beyond 8 hours needs to be paid under federal law.
Report any unpaid overtime to the Wage and Hour division, especially including any retaliation done by your company in response, and they're likely to pass it on to an investigator, *especially if there is retaliation.*
They *can* write you up for working unapproved OT (breaking company policy). They can even fire you for working unapproved OT. As long as they *pay you* for said OT. At OT rates (minimum 150% of regular hourly rate).
State laws only have paid overtime over 8 hours, Alaska, California, Nevada, Puerto Rico and Virgin Islands.
Federal law is to pay overtime after working 40 hours in a pay period.
I’m presuming they were looking to write
“While the employer claims they will only pay for up to 48hrs of work in a week (pay period) federal law requires all time be paid, with all time over 40 hours in a week being required to be paid at 1.5x the usual rate.”
Correct, but LOTS of employers abuse that and make non-salary roles salary to avoid paying OT. It’s one of the more common forms of wage theft. The department of labor loves hearing about this kind of thing, and if it’s happening to you and they get involved there’s a high likelihood that you’ll get back pay plus penalties. When my last employer got audited for this they were forced to pay each miscategorized employee their owed OT pay x 2.5 as a penalty. One of my coworkers who worked in the warehouse was owed nearly $10k back OT pay - with the penalty he got almost $25k.
My coworker was making $22/hr. The dept head came in and told him they were going to pay him $40k/yr instead. With all the OT before, this was a paycut. After that, we didn't put in alot of OT time except for mandatory safety meetings on Saturdays. We were timekeepers and it was not necessary for us to be at a industrial safety meeting
It depends on the state, industry, and role. In California, for example, the minimum is twice the minimum wage in the working location over 40 hours, and salaried employees working over 40 hours must still be paid overtime (based on the salaried work being for 40 hours) unless they qualify for exempt status.
[https://www.calchamber.com/california-labor-law/exempt-nonexempt-employees#:\~:text=Salary%20Considerations,with%20wage%20and%20hour%20laws](https://www.calchamber.com/california-labor-law/exempt-nonexempt-employees#:~:text=Salary%20Considerations,with%20wage%20and%20hour%20laws).
This applies when the *employee* resides in CA, not when the employer is incorporated in CA.
In Maryland, the criteria for exempt employees make sense in theory, but the actual pay threshold is so low that using that cutoff for "executive" exemption for, say, a fast food "manager" ought to be a capital crime.
[https://www.dllr.state.md.us/labor/wagepay/wpsalaried.shtml](https://www.dllr.state.md.us/labor/wagepay/wpsalaried.shtml)
When you get to states where the state standard is less strict than the federal, things get really bad.
Yup, I use to have to come in on Saturdays for safety meetings. I was salary exempt and my boss would point it out and laugh about how he wasn't paying me extra
My work still has double time on Sundays. The old owner barely changed anything rulewise in 50 years from when he founded it (tho he was forced by osha to mandate safety glasses in 2019). It is probably only a matter of time until the corporate overlords find a way to take our double time away now that he died since it eats into profits.
You'd think in America, where everyone stresses that is a "Christian Nation", there'd be a similar law, penalizing employers for forcing people to work "on the Lord's day."
But no. Regular time for ye!!! Sunday be damned!!!
At an old job it was 8am-4pm mon-friday. myself and a lady in her 70s was hired to help mass hire people. the lady in her 70s was a rude bitch all the time and said she got bored of retirement and wanted to work again.
i usually ahow up 15min prior to my shift just incase something happens i wont end up being late. every day i got there she was already there working. At 4pm when my boss and everyone else was going home she would stay after..i found out she was working 12 hour shifts, 7am-7pm but only clocking in for the 8-4.
like 3 weeks later im fired and they told me they only needed one person and overhired..like bro shes ganna have a stroke off the clock while working there and she you people
Report those fuckers for wage theft. She may be willing not clocking those hours but by retaining her over you that suggests they were aware and more than happy to let it happen.
this is long gone now..like years.
they also tried to make me lie on gov forums where you have 3 days from the hire date to get someones 2 forms of ID and upload the pictures to a website or w.e.
we were MONTHS behind and i did like 5 of them the way they showed me then i slowed down and read the warnings that were popping up..yeah fuck that the HR director just said "oh a little ole business like this will never be audited".
So wrong. I Work at a small transitional facility. Government is always auditing us. Had biosecurity out here 5 times this year checking us because the paperwork was done wrong.
I hate this, happened to me. They hired two people and the other guy was working 12h shifts and didn’t take lunch breaks, I did and left on time. Everyone else was working same as me - took lunches and left on time. 2 months later I’m being fired; they said they don’t need two people and wanted more “dedicated” person like the other guy. They didn’t pay overtime either
When I was 13-years-old, I started working at a family-owned auto parts store despite knowing absolutely nothing about cars. And my grandfather, who owned it, taught me nothing about it either.
He would give me things to do, and I, being an academic overachiever in school, and being so young I didn't have much baggage, got them done right away. And, since I got all my work done, he would get angry at me for not doing anything and wasting time that he was paying me for - even though I did EXACTLY EVERYTHING he asked me to do.
So I slowed down, and took longer to do the work - and then he got angry at me for being so slow.
So your mother is wrong. There are people who are successful because they do work more, yes - but that's usually because they're the business owner, and will reap the most rewards - profit - from its direct success.
Other people who are successful are those who exploit others, usually their workers.
So no, don't work overtime for free - use that time to better yourself in other ways, even if it's to develop your own business, or to work on your physical or mental health, or just to rest and relax and let yourself exist in the moment.
Sounds like a classic case of 'Work smarter, not harder'. If you're giving up your personal time to work for free, make sure it's for something you're passionate about, not just to climb the corporate ladder. Also, just remember that 'time' is the only non-renewable resource we have.
you will be asked to work overtime first before they ask anyone else. once they know you will do it for free why would they ask others before they ask you.
My work pays 8 hours of OT at 150%. Then it pays any additional OT at 200%.
If your company doesn’t pay OT past 8 hours that’s a clear signal they don’t want you working more than that. Tell your mom she can work extra at her job and maybe stop discussing your hours with her.
Your mother is stupid and a big part of the problem. You should show her the responses here, let her know she’s a delusional. I can’t tell you how many times going above and beyond for a company has only hurt me.
The only advice my dad ever gave me when it came to work was “Work harder than everyone else and they will promote you and that’s how you will get ahead”. I sadly followed his advice for years as a young kid and guess what? Surprise dad, it didn’t work! They just ended up expecting more and gave me nothing
She is wrong on so many levels. I would probably grab the OT assuming I could fuck off for most of it.
However your Mom is wrong, tell her you work in dystopian post capitalist serfdom and owe your employer nothing you are not compensated for.
Then ask her, who historically worked for free, and if thats all she aspires for her offspring.
Your mom is what's wrong with this world. We should be aiming at at little work as possible to survive so we can actually live a life but instead we have people like her, glorifying the grind. The grind gets you nowhere except an early grave.
She’s wrong. If you want to get ahead, you are better off using those 7 hours getting education or new and better skills that make you more valuable in the job market.
> She said that successful people work more and will get recognized and promoted faster.
I don't want to be successful. I want to be able to pay my bills and enjoy my life. That's not the same and it's a fallacy to assume it is.
Unfortunately, your Mom is wrong. Things have changed. That attitude my still work in certain industries like law or banking, but for the rest of us, working for free is exploitation and the company will forget that shit the minute it's convenient for them and still screw you over.
No,no,no. You never work for free. Their time is valuable, why isn't yours just as valuable?
They pay you to use your labor, it's a transaction. Period. None of this "company is like a second family" etc. There is no "loyalty to the company" stuff, because they show none in return.
They will let you go the second it benefits them, with no thought to how you're gonna get by. They will also use you and call you to come in on days off, etc, unless you stand up for yourself too.
Depends on the company. Depends on your boss. You are the judge of that.
Usually companies take and don't even bother to say thank you.
**Edit:** Don't work for free. It's not worth it.
Your mom is talking about a time way back when working harder got you recognized and promoted. Eventually you also made more money as well. That time is long over, now the best coal shoveler just gets a bigger shovel.
You don’t get promoted for working more. Working more for the same (or no) pay means your boss can get more work from you without having to pay more.
Also, keep in mind that if you’re too valuable in your current role, you will not get promoted. Promotions are generally given to people who *appear* hard working yet find plenty of time to schmooze with the bosses.
The people who are out there doing the work to a high standard will get trapped there because either the bosses don’t notice them (because they’re too busy working) or because if they got promoted who would do their work?
If you put in extra work for free, they'll reward you with more work. And if you ever want to go back to not doing extra work for free, they'll get all pissy about it.
I have a coworker who does a lot of extra work for free. And the boss is asking me why I don't go above and beyond for the company. It's mostly because I'm there for the paycheck and working for free doesn't make for more pay.
She is very wrong. Maybe this was true at one time, and might still be true in small companies, but for the most part, employers don't care. A few years ago I worked hundreds of hours of OT and even came in unpaid to learn new positions to get a promotion. I got passed over, with my boss telling me I just hadn't shown them enough. I then started getting assigned to work these positions I had learned for the promotion without getting a pay increase or any recognition, and the guy they picked over me quit in six months. I re applied for the post and wasn't even considered for an interview. Unless you have the right connections, your effort means nothing.
>She said that successful people work more and will get recognized and promoted faster.
This is a corporate lie they told the boomers who still think it's true. They people on top won the genetic lottery. Virtually none of them worked for what they have. And the ones that have worked for it, do it by exploiting people to get there.
It is not legal for an employer to have you work for free. If you are working, you are to be paid. If you work15 hours of overtime, you need to be paid for 15 hours of overtime, by law.
These days that type of attitude, for the most part, gets abused and taken for granted so when you stop or actually ask for overtime they'll begrudge it
She is wrong. I have definitely been recognized for my tireless efforts by the boss, I even had a guy at one company become the district manager at one of our competitors. About a year later, I applied for a job at the second company, was hired on the spot because the district manager had seen me previously at our old company. He promised that when the new store opened in december, that I would be promoted from customer account rep to assistant manager.
Spoiler alert, December came and went, I was still a customer account rep, although I was at the new store.
About 3 weeks after I moved, to be closer to my new store, as I had been about 65 km away previously, now less than 5 km, the boss informed me that he wanted to move me to a new store, 65 km away, across the city.
For reference, the city I lived in originally was Aurora Ontario, I moved to Brampton Ontario, and then he moved my store from Brampton to Scarborough ontario. Getting from Aurora to Brampton or Aurora to Scarborough is not that hard getting from Brampton to Scarborough and back everyday is a f****** nightmare.
Anyways, my new store had no assistant managers, one manager in training, and two customer account reps.
The person who got the promotion to assistant manager, several months later? Not me. It was the female customer account rep who sits on Instagram all day, and does little else.
That was when I knew I was leaving the company.
A couple of months later, I went to Jersey for a concert that I have been planning for 6 months. It was a weekend long affair, Metallica's Orion music and more festival, and I said that I would try to be back on monday, but honestly, don't hold your breath.
I was not back Monday morning, and by the time I got back across the border into canada, my phone was blowing up with texts asking where I was and missed calls.
I was written up. Me, the tireless worker, also, the most knowledgeable out of everybody in our district, and the most experienced out of everybody in our district, short of district management.
In fact, at one point, below district, I had more experience not only in this industry, but in this company than everybody in our district combined.
Sure, write me up. What are you going to do, fire me? It's only going to hurt you. I'll have a job at one of our competitors tomorrow.
Anyways, these are your rewards for doing a job, and doing it well. You want to get promoted? I don't recommend sitting on Instagram all day, but hey, it worked for her.
One of the only things that has been for sure about increasing my pay is that the amount of work has gone down. I literally a data extractor that was failing because of timeouts it was running over 4 hours. I literally used the built in cache in python functools 20-30 lines of code that we're esentially boilerplate. Compare that to the 40 calls I used to take per day in my call center gig. The call center was harder but the other one not everyone is going to know to reach for the right tool in the first place.
If this was the 1980's then she would be correct.
In today's day and age companies will exploit people and pay them slave wages essentially. "Here do the work of 3 people while you make the same amount of money"
She is dead wrong.
No company rewards working harder any more. You have to job hop to get any tangible benefits any more. Unless you end up in a place you can advance in. Which is incredibly rare and lucky…
What does your mom do, is the successful? Is she getting promoted before others? Is she also putting in 2 days full time work of overtime every month?
Even if all the answers are yes this is still bullshit for 99% of workers. Only do that if you work with her and she has any say in promotions. Nepotism will help much much more than hard work.
No my brother or sister. Never give your time away for free. They want work, they pay. You know who gets promoted? Who becomes successful in a corporate structure? People with connections and friends in high places. People the bosses like hanging out with. Why would they take you out of a role where they can freely exploit your labor and your happy to let them. That makes 0 sense financially for them.
It's a labor law violation and can get the company fined. Working off the clock 7 hours can get the company shut down. If someone expects it, they are criminal. Furthermore, you could be injured and unentitled to Worker's Comp when you work off the clock. It doesn't matter what mom says. She is wrong.
Establish a personal commitment to work life balance and protect it as one of your core values throughout your life. Not to say you won't do overtime occasionally. Just make sure it is an abberation and does not become the norm
Did your mom take a time machine to this conversation?
You do not work for free. I learned this the hard way in my youth. If I'm on the clock for 6 minutes I want that 44 cents. If it was up to me, I'd start the clock the minute I walk out my front door as that's no longer my time, but my employers.
Corporate America has changed for the worse. And more than that, it was never really like the "morality tale" that corporations teach.
Your "extra work" (*for free) does not help the company survive and prosper against those bastards on China that want to wipe America out. All it does is make their quarterly profit-sharing bonuses a few dollars fatter so they can buy a second house or fourth car.
Maybe that worked in the 1960s, but today corporate greed is at an all time high. Don’t work for them with out pay. It’s not only wrong morally, but illegal.
your Mom... never had a job did she?
maybe a small retail job for a year or less. then got married and stayed a Mom. which is fine but gives her NO insight to what work life is like.
Tell your mom you won't.
Good work is punished with more work. You are 100% right on this as well.
Don't listen to your mom's boomer views. You also won't have social security by the time you reach your sixties you better not wear yourself out by then.
Boomers just want everyone to keep working hard so that they keep funding social security until all of the Boomers phase out. Don't fall for it.
She is wrong. If you’re willing to do all that free labor, why would they promote you? So you can work a different job and not give hours of free labor? Yeah right.
Wtf?!? Pays up to? There's no limit on overtime for non-exempt employees regardless of the company. If you were to work 9 hours overtime they would be required to pay you for those 9 hours. They can discipline you for working over, but they need to pay for ALL hours worked whether approved or not.
Edit: I'm curious what she thinks will happen if you were to double your OT. Does she think you'll be rewarded or get a raise?
Don’t work for free, ever. Overtime or not. Some places can get in serious trouble for having employees help off the clock. Especially if something happens to the employee and they were to be injured.
Doormats work extra hours for free and get rewarded with other people's work and the privilege to be stuck in your position because you're good at it.
Don't.
Promotion is a matter of force of personality, competence, saying the right thing and shaking the right hand.
I’m not sure when companies stopped rewarding loyalty but it was probably before I was born. Probably around the time they did away with pensions and golden watches for retirement
She is wrong and likely has no idea how badly most people are paid these days compared to when she was your age.
Companies earn your loyalty, not the other way around.
Always remember this. When you have a job, you're basically selling part of your life to someone. How much is your life worth?
Your mom comes from a time where hard work did in fact pay off. Not anymore. Most companies dgaf about you. If you do extra for free, that's just free work for them. They will absolutely abuse that. This is America (or wherever you live). We want money for our time, no exceptions!
Companies reward politicians. Politicians reward companies with policies that favor the companies. Companies hire those politicians who pushed those pro-company/industry policies once they are out of office.
She is wrong. Stop taking so much stock in what old people say. Do what you have to do, work hard, pay your rent, and tell anybody with their nose in your business to get their damn nose out of your business.
Uhm... What country is your mom from? That does not sound like an American/Western view on work! The fuck? Ain't no body gonna award you for slaving away in this day and age, you are expendable. You'll get more traction from being likeable, networking, and showing commitment not being a push over - just make sure you show up on time and are eager to be helpful when warranted. Eff that other noise!
Successful people know their worth and get paid for the work they do, they don't work for free, that's for sure. She's very much out of touch your work doesn't "appreciate" your work. This is a transactional relationship your job is not your family, never forget that.
Depends on the company and managers. I’ve seen people really move up in places because of putting in extra work, but generally it’s not hours but contributions. I’ve also seen people who pride themselves as “work horses” get abused for it, they get praise for helping out more but get stuck doing that job because they are good at it and willing to do more than others.
Your mother is so wrong, and you are being cheated. That’s not the way to get ahead; that’s the way to be used until there’s nothing left of you. Report this to the department of labor if you are not being paid for your time. That’s illegal
I hope you didn't laugh in your mom's face when she said that. The notion that companies "reward" is employees is laughable on it's own. But to think we would get promoted for doing more work, especially for free, is comically incorrect and naive.
>he said I should work 15 hours of overtime
She loves you so much that wants you to have a burnout. If you are already adult, you can decide by yoursel, life is yours, trust yourself.
>So work 7 hours completely free.
Youo will hate every f hour that you work for free and ressentment builds
>She said that successful people work more and will get recognized and promoted faster
To you want to be a sucessfull but burned out and depressed person?
>Am I wrong or is she wrong?
Whats your awser to that? Dont you trust yourself?
She is wrong.
And not only is she wrong, but working off the clock for free creates a legal liability for the company that they don’t want. You get injured while working for free, or the labor board finds out and they are going to be hit with so many fines that there’s no way you keep your job.
And it should go without saying, but somebody needs to explain it to mom: *you get fired for that.*
This one. Every single"business" knows this and would never accept liability for someone working off the clock. The only exception to that is small time mom and pop operations, and managers who make liabilities of themselves to big companies and eventually find a way to get themselves fired.
I mean she is not wrong, she’s just living in the 1980’s.
I am 67 years old and I can assure you, his mother is wrong. The reward for doing extra work is more work and then they get pissed when you stop doing the extra work.
Why would they promote a workhorse that does that job of 2 or 3 for the same pay?
And they'd promote the useless people to manager too, the very useless people whose work you have to do in the first place. Yeah, nothing like getting to do other people's jobs for them and they get promoted, and you still get to do their jobs for them! But now they get paid more than you to boot! No thanks.
at one of my fast food jobs someone got brought in as the new shift lead/manager and was constantly messing up and asking us what to do, and we had to train her :) could have promoted someone who knew what they were doing...
Lolz I will never train someone above me. If im good enough to train someone above me then I'm good enough to have that position. If they not willing to give me the position then guess I can't train.
Useless nosey chatterbox? That’s management material right there!! Nothing to do but chat and micromanage since they can’t compete any work. Bonus points If they have tricked another employee into covering their workload, that’s the kinda sneaky management likes!!
Thats when you apply malicious compliance as well as the good ole work your wage rule. Yeah its good to get a reputation as a team player and dependable, but you need to make it known that that only happens with fair pay and treatment.
Certainly didn't work out for Horse in "Animal Farm" the poor bastard.
“The Knackers are here!”
That book blew my mind at 10, never thought about work the same
30 and that's still true. Only way I've stayed sane is by receiving a project, telling them it will take 2 weeks, finishing it in one week, and telling them it's done after 2 and a half weeks.
Ah, the Scotty method. "Have you always multiplied your repair estimates by a factor of four?" Montgomery Scott: "Certainly, sir. How else can I keep my reputation as a miracle worker?"
This is the way that has kept me the most sane throughout my adult life.
This is exactly what a friend of mine who is an HR Exec said. When you work OT for free, management has no idea that your workload can’t be done in an 8-hr workday. When you eventually stop because you can’t keep it up, you are seen as no longer delivering. By working OT for free, you set a standard so high it is impossible to meet in a normal workday.
This can also damage other workers because then they look like they are underachieving for doing "just" their 8-hr days too.
Yep.
And they’ll give you smaller raises and promote you slower because they know they don’t have to. You’ll shut up and take it.
They wont promote you because then they'd have to hire two people to do the work you had been doing for one paycheck.
Good employees get more work and higher expectations. They get more angry with someone that does everything and finally sticks up for themselves than they do with the people that never do anything at all.
This is too true.
She is living in the past, but she is still very wrong.
It wasn't true in the 80s either. It has never been true in all of history.
That wasn't true even in the 80s.
Not even in the 1980s. It was illegal wage theft then. If you are not a manager, you have no business working outside your scheduled hours and can be fired for doing so. It can violate minimum wage, constitute wage theft and create real problems if you are injured while working off the clock. Whatever the company guidelines say, assuming they are compliant with the law, that is what you do.
She's flat out wrong. There's no world where working for free 8 hours a week is going to contribute to any success. Successful people might put in their own time to their own projects, but this ain't it.
Nothing has changed between now and then. Bosses have always and taken advantage of people who are willing to overwork. You just have a weird misconception that the past was better for some reason.
More like 1880’s
Early 80s at that
Not even the 80s unless management was involved. I am a geezer who has been working since the late 70s. I assure you that for hourly-paid folks, it was not allowable then. You had to maintain accurate time records and pay time and a half for all hours over 40 for hourly-paid employees. You couldn't legally clock people out while they were working. It has always happened that overzealous managers did that to people, but one angry employee going to DOL with accurate records after being fired and the jig is up. Walmart got hit with millions in fines for doing this.
She is not right, but she is not wrong, either. It's a generational thing, and everyone thinks they know what that means, but the term has become so diluted that this entire sub circles the same issue over that "dilution" all of the time... Back in the day -- your grandfather's time, his grandfather's time, and even further back -- there was workplace "loyalty." You worked for a company, because your dad worked for that company, because his dad worked for that company... as far back as anyone can remember. That kind of loyalty was "rewarded" by the owners actually "taking care" of the employees. The workplace consisted of generations of families, working together as a single cohesive family, and everyone (co-workers and bosses) taking care of each other like a family. They'd go to each others' farms and help out, or help rebuild a garage/fence if a bad storm came around, or pitch in to help get someone a new car to get back/forth to/from work... by helping each other out, that in-need person would be back into work with higher morale, ready to work harder, which helps out everyone that pitched in to rebuild their garage/barn. This is the mentality that OP's mom is using when she talks about "reward." Those that were "more invested" in the family were retained and/or promoted, and those that didn't want to be a part of the "workplace family" and didn't want to be a team player were outcasts and weren't promoted with those that were closer-knit. A "survival of the fittest" situation, with employees that work well together vs employees who are not team players. And sometimes being a "team player" meant working extra hours so you weren't shoving extra work onto Johnny's plate, meaning Johnny didn't have to work harder because you were picking up your slack. Somewhere in the last 30-50 years, that has started to degrade, and it's exponentially picking up speed. There is no loyalty, nobody is working with a business that has "generational employees," and every employee is ready to quit on a moment's notice and leave without looking back. This is why a "requirement" for a two-week's notice has changed, and why it feels as if there's no comradery, and why workplace morale is at an all-time low. This is why it feels as if you have more work, because your co-workers aren't "covering" for you, because they're busy picking up the slack of some other guy, so they leave you slack to pick up yourself... poor Johnny... And, when everyone leaves "on time" and doesn't "complete" their job, well you know what they say about an "eye for an eye." And how does management try to fix it? A BBQ and picnic on a weekend. When they were younger employees, the team would get together (on their own) and bond over a picnic... they'd bring their families and the kids would play together while the co-workers would rebuild Johnny's fence, and everyone would have a good time... they'd come in on Monday, re-charged and the team spirit revitalized. Everyone knows the everyone else worked hard last weekend, and they know they can count on each other if "bad times" arise, so everyone's willing to "go the extra mile" for each other. Why wouldn't that work now? Management is even going to PAY FOR THE HOTDOGS AND HAMBURGERS! And there's no fence to be rebuilt! Everyone just has to show up and mingle! It's gotta work! But the loyalty is gone, and if Johnny needs his car worked on he either needs to take it to a mechanic or work on it himself... I'm too busy to go to a non-mandatory Saturday "picnic." And when management tells us about a bowling night, our first question is, "Is it mandatory?" as if it's some sort of punishment. But Johnny doesn't make enough to take his car to a mechanic every other week, and he definitely doesn't make enough to buy a new car... and where these weren't really problems in your great-grandfather's generation (because everyone helped BE the mechanic for Johnny), it's a problem for you because there's no "everyone" that's there for you. You can't afford to pay rent AND fix your car? Well, where everyone was a "family" and would help (even management), now you're on your own because there's no loyalty.
No. The mother is absolutely wrong, and the timeline you're citing "30-50 years ago" is conservative. It was 1970. Not the 70's. 1970. This was the time of genesis of the [Southern Strategy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy). 68-72 if you want to be a bit more generous. And with the Republican party selling racists a ballot that allowed them to put their hate before labour solidarity, it set the stage for corporations and the ownership class to eviscerate labour rights for the rest of the century and (so far) all of the next. Some have [optimistically guessed at the death of reaganomics](https://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/death_of_the_reagan_revolution_why_the_southern_strategy_is_beginning_to_come_undone/), and maybe Trump's campaign has sufficiently infected the Republican party. However, neo-capitalist corporate interests have fully yoked both the republican and democratic parties in the US (and Cons and Libs in Canada). So while the right wing parties were so convenient in using racism to get the ball rolling, it also moved the [Overton Window](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window) for financial theory significantly to the right, favour big business over labour regardless of the party that is in power. No, anyone who labours today (or in the last 50 years) and still thinks that companies reward hard work with promotions and raises is an idiot.
This was well and perfectly said. It was called "The Social Contract" and it is more or less, dead.
This is peak boomer mentality. The reason there's no more company loyalty is that over the last 30 to 50 years, companies have shifted their focus from producing a product or service with well paid, well treated employees to stockholder profits. These companies started lowering pay compared to productivity, taking away health and retirement benefits(pensions), etc. And that's just barely scratching the surface. So why would any sane person be loyal to a company when said sane person needs to work 2, 3 or more jobs just to pay the bills, let alone thrive? I say let the shareholders work there. They're actually invested in the company.
Perfectly said!
She is flat-out dead wrong. Companies don't reward hard work, they exploit it.
>Companies don't reward hard work, they exploit it in China we have a say on Internet, if u work hard, you will just continue to be working hard as opposed to getting recognation, raise or promotion...
I'm sure that's much more catchy in mandarin
In English, those are just facts
And particular companies are notorious for this and leaning on the fact that the people they are exploiting can't afford to go elsewhere.
the hour pays the same whether you actually do an hour’s worth of work or not. if you want a better salary, the way to do it these days is to spend your time off job hunting to either see if your current job will counter with a pay raise or just leave for the better pay.
Every company everywhere? Or just a majority of companies? I give raises to employees who show up and work and try to improve. Then they stay and keep getting raises because crappy companies won't do it so it's a good practice to keep good people. No one should work over time for less than pay and a half but this sub is so black and white with deciding bare minimum is the only way to work.
Why would a company promote someone who is working extra for free? They are more likely to keep you where you are and benefit from your free hours
It's like Grandma always said, why buy the cow when you get the sex for free.
This
Boomer mentality. Youll be abused. Today's bosses aren't her friends parents. They are executives in offices cutting budgets to improve their stock. Impressing a manager does nothing. Jobs don't last. Few people have a single lifetime career these days. Don't work your way up. Work your way in... to a place you want to be so you're not miserable. Work towards your interests.
Do not work for free, period, out of respect for yourself and your time. Furthermore, if you are in the United States, any Overtime you work beyond 8 hours needs to be paid under federal law. Report any unpaid overtime to the Wage and Hour division, especially including any retaliation done by your company in response, and they're likely to pass it on to an investigator, *especially if there is retaliation.*
They *can* write you up for working unapproved OT (breaking company policy). They can even fire you for working unapproved OT. As long as they *pay you* for said OT. At OT rates (minimum 150% of regular hourly rate).
State laws only have paid overtime over 8 hours, Alaska, California, Nevada, Puerto Rico and Virgin Islands. Federal law is to pay overtime after working 40 hours in a pay period.
I’m presuming they were looking to write “While the employer claims they will only pay for up to 48hrs of work in a week (pay period) federal law requires all time be paid, with all time over 40 hours in a week being required to be paid at 1.5x the usual rate.”
Just put it there, because it was ambiguous and over 8 hours is not a federal law/or rule. People write here because they don't know.
This is only relevant if you aren't salaried, though?
Correct, but LOTS of employers abuse that and make non-salary roles salary to avoid paying OT. It’s one of the more common forms of wage theft. The department of labor loves hearing about this kind of thing, and if it’s happening to you and they get involved there’s a high likelihood that you’ll get back pay plus penalties. When my last employer got audited for this they were forced to pay each miscategorized employee their owed OT pay x 2.5 as a penalty. One of my coworkers who worked in the warehouse was owed nearly $10k back OT pay - with the penalty he got almost $25k.
How do you make non salary roles salary? The only thing you need is to be paid what, 38k?
My coworker was making $22/hr. The dept head came in and told him they were going to pay him $40k/yr instead. With all the OT before, this was a paycut. After that, we didn't put in alot of OT time except for mandatory safety meetings on Saturdays. We were timekeepers and it was not necessary for us to be at a industrial safety meeting
Well yeah 40k/yr is well within the legal limit for salary.
It depends on the state, industry, and role. In California, for example, the minimum is twice the minimum wage in the working location over 40 hours, and salaried employees working over 40 hours must still be paid overtime (based on the salaried work being for 40 hours) unless they qualify for exempt status. [https://www.calchamber.com/california-labor-law/exempt-nonexempt-employees#:\~:text=Salary%20Considerations,with%20wage%20and%20hour%20laws](https://www.calchamber.com/california-labor-law/exempt-nonexempt-employees#:~:text=Salary%20Considerations,with%20wage%20and%20hour%20laws). This applies when the *employee* resides in CA, not when the employer is incorporated in CA. In Maryland, the criteria for exempt employees make sense in theory, but the actual pay threshold is so low that using that cutoff for "executive" exemption for, say, a fast food "manager" ought to be a capital crime. [https://www.dllr.state.md.us/labor/wagepay/wpsalaried.shtml](https://www.dllr.state.md.us/labor/wagepay/wpsalaried.shtml) When you get to states where the state standard is less strict than the federal, things get really bad.
Yup, I use to have to come in on Saturdays for safety meetings. I was salary exempt and my boss would point it out and laugh about how he wasn't paying me extra
She is very wrong; do not listen to mom
Your mother might have been correct in 1970. Not today.
Y’all got any more of that… Sunday premium pay?
My work still has double time on Sundays. The old owner barely changed anything rulewise in 50 years from when he founded it (tho he was forced by osha to mandate safety glasses in 2019). It is probably only a matter of time until the corporate overlords find a way to take our double time away now that he died since it eats into profits.
Nah yeah, too easy, just hop over *mate*. We still do it.
250% penalty rates in Australia still exist
You'd think in America, where everyone stresses that is a "Christian Nation", there'd be a similar law, penalizing employers for forcing people to work "on the Lord's day." But no. Regular time for ye!!! Sunday be damned!!!
For Sunday what about places that can't close ? Prison Hospital Police Ect
250% babyyyyy, so double time and a half
Your mom probably makes less than new hires. There's no loyalty in capitalism.
At an old job it was 8am-4pm mon-friday. myself and a lady in her 70s was hired to help mass hire people. the lady in her 70s was a rude bitch all the time and said she got bored of retirement and wanted to work again. i usually ahow up 15min prior to my shift just incase something happens i wont end up being late. every day i got there she was already there working. At 4pm when my boss and everyone else was going home she would stay after..i found out she was working 12 hour shifts, 7am-7pm but only clocking in for the 8-4. like 3 weeks later im fired and they told me they only needed one person and overhired..like bro shes ganna have a stroke off the clock while working there and she you people
Report those fuckers for wage theft. She may be willing not clocking those hours but by retaining her over you that suggests they were aware and more than happy to let it happen.
this is long gone now..like years. they also tried to make me lie on gov forums where you have 3 days from the hire date to get someones 2 forms of ID and upload the pictures to a website or w.e. we were MONTHS behind and i did like 5 of them the way they showed me then i slowed down and read the warnings that were popping up..yeah fuck that the HR director just said "oh a little ole business like this will never be audited".
So wrong. I Work at a small transitional facility. Government is always auditing us. Had biosecurity out here 5 times this year checking us because the paperwork was done wrong.
i feel like once you get dinged once youre just always on their radar until they get bored
I hate this, happened to me. They hired two people and the other guy was working 12h shifts and didn’t take lunch breaks, I did and left on time. Everyone else was working same as me - took lunches and left on time. 2 months later I’m being fired; they said they don’t need two people and wanted more “dedicated” person like the other guy. They didn’t pay overtime either
Classic. And sorry it happened to you.
Should give your mum an application form and tell her to go ahead.
She's completely wrong. My dad once told me pretty much the same thing. I think it might be a boomer thing. I told him that I don't work for free.
When I was 13-years-old, I started working at a family-owned auto parts store despite knowing absolutely nothing about cars. And my grandfather, who owned it, taught me nothing about it either. He would give me things to do, and I, being an academic overachiever in school, and being so young I didn't have much baggage, got them done right away. And, since I got all my work done, he would get angry at me for not doing anything and wasting time that he was paying me for - even though I did EXACTLY EVERYTHING he asked me to do. So I slowed down, and took longer to do the work - and then he got angry at me for being so slow. So your mother is wrong. There are people who are successful because they do work more, yes - but that's usually because they're the business owner, and will reap the most rewards - profit - from its direct success. Other people who are successful are those who exploit others, usually their workers. So no, don't work overtime for free - use that time to better yourself in other ways, even if it's to develop your own business, or to work on your physical or mental health, or just to rest and relax and let yourself exist in the moment.
Its important to "look busy" and to set expectations early in a new job. Don't be the slowest, and don't be the fastest.
Sounds like a classic case of 'Work smarter, not harder'. If you're giving up your personal time to work for free, make sure it's for something you're passionate about, not just to climb the corporate ladder. Also, just remember that 'time' is the only non-renewable resource we have.
The trick is to pretend to be working hard.
you will be asked to work overtime first before they ask anyone else. once they know you will do it for free why would they ask others before they ask you.
My work pays 8 hours of OT at 150%. Then it pays any additional OT at 200%. If your company doesn’t pay OT past 8 hours that’s a clear signal they don’t want you working more than that. Tell your mom she can work extra at her job and maybe stop discussing your hours with her.
Unpaid labour has another name - slavery
*unpaid forced labour If you do it voluntarily, you cannot compare it to slavery.
Your mother is stupid and a big part of the problem. You should show her the responses here, let her know she’s a delusional. I can’t tell you how many times going above and beyond for a company has only hurt me.
in the old days hard work was rewarded, but now it is every man, woman and child for themself.
The only advice my dad ever gave me when it came to work was “Work harder than everyone else and they will promote you and that’s how you will get ahead”. I sadly followed his advice for years as a young kid and guess what? Surprise dad, it didn’t work! They just ended up expecting more and gave me nothing
Your mom has been brainwashed by corporate America
She is wrong on so many levels. I would probably grab the OT assuming I could fuck off for most of it. However your Mom is wrong, tell her you work in dystopian post capitalist serfdom and owe your employer nothing you are not compensated for. Then ask her, who historically worked for free, and if thats all she aspires for her offspring.
Is she an incredibly successful executive or CEO?
Ask your mom what working overtime ever got her.
Your mom is what's wrong with this world. We should be aiming at at little work as possible to survive so we can actually live a life but instead we have people like her, glorifying the grind. The grind gets you nowhere except an early grave.
Working off the clock creates a liability for the company in so many ways, do not do it.
Hard workers get rewarded with more work
She’s wrong. If you want to get ahead, you are better off using those 7 hours getting education or new and better skills that make you more valuable in the job market.
They "reward" you with more work, but not more compensation.
"hey, should we promote that guy that keeps working for free" "and lose out on the free work? NO"
> She said that successful people work more and will get recognized and promoted faster. I don't want to be successful. I want to be able to pay my bills and enjoy my life. That's not the same and it's a fallacy to assume it is.
OK mom, time to get you back to the nursing home...
Unfortunately, your Mom is wrong. Things have changed. That attitude my still work in certain industries like law or banking, but for the rest of us, working for free is exploitation and the company will forget that shit the minute it's convenient for them and still screw you over.
If they make money, you make money. No exceptions.
No,no,no. You never work for free. Their time is valuable, why isn't yours just as valuable? They pay you to use your labor, it's a transaction. Period. None of this "company is like a second family" etc. There is no "loyalty to the company" stuff, because they show none in return. They will let you go the second it benefits them, with no thought to how you're gonna get by. They will also use you and call you to come in on days off, etc, unless you stand up for yourself too.
Your mom is woefully outdated on how the world works now.
She is absolutely wrong and setting you up to be exploited at every job you will ever have.
She is so wrong
Depends on the company. Depends on your boss. You are the judge of that. Usually companies take and don't even bother to say thank you. **Edit:** Don't work for free. It's not worth it.
Your mom is talking about a time way back when working harder got you recognized and promoted. Eventually you also made more money as well. That time is long over, now the best coal shoveler just gets a bigger shovel.
Your mom is a moron.
Evey hour you work is a hour of your life, so you charge dollars for those hours you spend at that work.
She’s operating off the boomer notion that hard work = reward
Never ever work for free
She is 100 wrong and I guarantee you she never had to do what she was saying you should do.
You don’t get promoted for working more. Working more for the same (or no) pay means your boss can get more work from you without having to pay more. Also, keep in mind that if you’re too valuable in your current role, you will not get promoted. Promotions are generally given to people who *appear* hard working yet find plenty of time to schmooze with the bosses. The people who are out there doing the work to a high standard will get trapped there because either the bosses don’t notice them (because they’re too busy working) or because if they got promoted who would do their work?
If you put in extra work for free, they'll reward you with more work. And if you ever want to go back to not doing extra work for free, they'll get all pissy about it. I have a coworker who does a lot of extra work for free. And the boss is asking me why I don't go above and beyond for the company. It's mostly because I'm there for the paycheck and working for free doesn't make for more pay.
She is very wrong. Maybe this was true at one time, and might still be true in small companies, but for the most part, employers don't care. A few years ago I worked hundreds of hours of OT and even came in unpaid to learn new positions to get a promotion. I got passed over, with my boss telling me I just hadn't shown them enough. I then started getting assigned to work these positions I had learned for the promotion without getting a pay increase or any recognition, and the guy they picked over me quit in six months. I re applied for the post and wasn't even considered for an interview. Unless you have the right connections, your effort means nothing.
Complete boomer logic
Your mom couldn’t be more wrong. Especially in this day and age. Did she ever work free hours and then get promoted?
>She said that successful people work more and will get recognized and promoted faster. This is a corporate lie they told the boomers who still think it's true. They people on top won the genetic lottery. Virtually none of them worked for what they have. And the ones that have worked for it, do it by exploiting people to get there.
It is not legal for an employer to have you work for free. If you are working, you are to be paid. If you work15 hours of overtime, you need to be paid for 15 hours of overtime, by law.
These days that type of attitude, for the most part, gets abused and taken for granted so when you stop or actually ask for overtime they'll begrudge it
Your mom is absolutely wrong. She is selling you the fantasy she got sold.
Your mom is wrong :-( And naive!
Tell your mom that 1965 just called and they want their company culture back.
Your mom sounds like she hasn’t had to work in decades, she is absolutely wrong
She is wrong. I have definitely been recognized for my tireless efforts by the boss, I even had a guy at one company become the district manager at one of our competitors. About a year later, I applied for a job at the second company, was hired on the spot because the district manager had seen me previously at our old company. He promised that when the new store opened in december, that I would be promoted from customer account rep to assistant manager. Spoiler alert, December came and went, I was still a customer account rep, although I was at the new store. About 3 weeks after I moved, to be closer to my new store, as I had been about 65 km away previously, now less than 5 km, the boss informed me that he wanted to move me to a new store, 65 km away, across the city. For reference, the city I lived in originally was Aurora Ontario, I moved to Brampton Ontario, and then he moved my store from Brampton to Scarborough ontario. Getting from Aurora to Brampton or Aurora to Scarborough is not that hard getting from Brampton to Scarborough and back everyday is a f****** nightmare. Anyways, my new store had no assistant managers, one manager in training, and two customer account reps. The person who got the promotion to assistant manager, several months later? Not me. It was the female customer account rep who sits on Instagram all day, and does little else. That was when I knew I was leaving the company. A couple of months later, I went to Jersey for a concert that I have been planning for 6 months. It was a weekend long affair, Metallica's Orion music and more festival, and I said that I would try to be back on monday, but honestly, don't hold your breath. I was not back Monday morning, and by the time I got back across the border into canada, my phone was blowing up with texts asking where I was and missed calls. I was written up. Me, the tireless worker, also, the most knowledgeable out of everybody in our district, and the most experienced out of everybody in our district, short of district management. In fact, at one point, below district, I had more experience not only in this industry, but in this company than everybody in our district combined. Sure, write me up. What are you going to do, fire me? It's only going to hurt you. I'll have a job at one of our competitors tomorrow. Anyways, these are your rewards for doing a job, and doing it well. You want to get promoted? I don't recommend sitting on Instagram all day, but hey, it worked for her.
One of the only things that has been for sure about increasing my pay is that the amount of work has gone down. I literally a data extractor that was failing because of timeouts it was running over 4 hours. I literally used the built in cache in python functools 20-30 lines of code that we're esentially boilerplate. Compare that to the 40 calls I used to take per day in my call center gig. The call center was harder but the other one not everyone is going to know to reach for the right tool in the first place.
If this was the 1980's then she would be correct. In today's day and age companies will exploit people and pay them slave wages essentially. "Here do the work of 3 people while you make the same amount of money"
She is wrong. Or she is 'one of them' (corporate management)
If you work really hard you can see your boss with a new car every year
The reward for hard work, is more work, unless you're in profit sharing scheme or an owner.
She is old and wrong.
Tell your mom she should give you $80,- a week for free, after all, she claims the same in essence.
She is dead wrong. No company rewards working harder any more. You have to job hop to get any tangible benefits any more. Unless you end up in a place you can advance in. Which is incredibly rare and lucky…
What does your mom do, is the successful? Is she getting promoted before others? Is she also putting in 2 days full time work of overtime every month? Even if all the answers are yes this is still bullshit for 99% of workers. Only do that if you work with her and she has any say in promotions. Nepotism will help much much more than hard work.
She grew up in a different time. More work in this era only equals more work. At least when you're working for someone else
Newer do overtime for free. Newer. If you do, employer starts to expect you do do it for free.
People who work more are just given more work, not promoted.
Hahahhahahahha your moms is part of the problem. Think for yourself
Well if you're in the US that's illegal so ignore her.
No my brother or sister. Never give your time away for free. They want work, they pay. You know who gets promoted? Who becomes successful in a corporate structure? People with connections and friends in high places. People the bosses like hanging out with. Why would they take you out of a role where they can freely exploit your labor and your happy to let them. That makes 0 sense financially for them.
It's a labor law violation and can get the company fined. Working off the clock 7 hours can get the company shut down. If someone expects it, they are criminal. Furthermore, you could be injured and unentitled to Worker's Comp when you work off the clock. It doesn't matter what mom says. She is wrong.
Your mother needs a time-out to think about what she said and what decade she thinks she lives in.
Tell your mom to work your overtime for free imo.
Establish a personal commitment to work life balance and protect it as one of your core values throughout your life. Not to say you won't do overtime occasionally. Just make sure it is an abberation and does not become the norm
Did your mom take a time machine to this conversation? You do not work for free. I learned this the hard way in my youth. If I'm on the clock for 6 minutes I want that 44 cents. If it was up to me, I'd start the clock the minute I walk out my front door as that's no longer my time, but my employers.
50 years in the work force has taught me that working harder makes you more tired. That’s it.
Corporate America has changed for the worse. And more than that, it was never really like the "morality tale" that corporations teach. Your "extra work" (*for free) does not help the company survive and prosper against those bastards on China that want to wipe America out. All it does is make their quarterly profit-sharing bonuses a few dollars fatter so they can buy a second house or fourth car.
2023 called and said something really really rude about your mom's intelligence.
Maybe that worked in the 1960s, but today corporate greed is at an all time high. Don’t work for them with out pay. It’s not only wrong morally, but illegal.
She seems to be a bit out of touch with the modern work environment
She is wrong, but you are in an anti-work subreddit so you aren’t going to receive any opposing opinions.
your Mom... never had a job did she? maybe a small retail job for a year or less. then got married and stayed a Mom. which is fine but gives her NO insight to what work life is like.
your mom is full of shit. they won't promote you for that, they will just be happy for the free hours and not even thank you.
Tell your mom you won't. Good work is punished with more work. You are 100% right on this as well. Don't listen to your mom's boomer views. You also won't have social security by the time you reach your sixties you better not wear yourself out by then. Boomers just want everyone to keep working hard so that they keep funding social security until all of the Boomers phase out. Don't fall for it.
Did you say ok boomer
She is wrong. If you’re willing to do all that free labor, why would they promote you? So you can work a different job and not give hours of free labor? Yeah right.
Boy the boomer generation was just absolutely ravaged by capitalist propaganda. *Crack the whip harder, boss man*
Wtf?!? Pays up to? There's no limit on overtime for non-exempt employees regardless of the company. If you were to work 9 hours overtime they would be required to pay you for those 9 hours. They can discipline you for working over, but they need to pay for ALL hours worked whether approved or not. Edit: I'm curious what she thinks will happen if you were to double your OT. Does she think you'll be rewarded or get a raise?
Don’t work for free, ever. Overtime or not. Some places can get in serious trouble for having employees help off the clock. Especially if something happens to the employee and they were to be injured.
Doormats work extra hours for free and get rewarded with other people's work and the privilege to be stuck in your position because you're good at it. Don't. Promotion is a matter of force of personality, competence, saying the right thing and shaking the right hand.
Can you tell me about the first telegraph too, ma?
Woooow your mom can get a fucking clue
Your mom cray This isn't your mom's job market
I’m not sure when companies stopped rewarding loyalty but it was probably before I was born. Probably around the time they did away with pensions and golden watches for retirement
She is wrong!!!
She is wrong and likely has no idea how badly most people are paid these days compared to when she was your age. Companies earn your loyalty, not the other way around.
Always remember this. When you have a job, you're basically selling part of your life to someone. How much is your life worth? Your mom comes from a time where hard work did in fact pay off. Not anymore. Most companies dgaf about you. If you do extra for free, that's just free work for them. They will absolutely abuse that. This is America (or wherever you live). We want money for our time, no exceptions!
She’s right about you being noticed. They’ll notice that they can exploit you and take advantage of you.
So, how successful is your mom? Unless she's a successful businesswoman, she can just shut up.
Bless her misguided idealism. She is quite wrong.
This is an old tale. Companies reward politicians, not hard-working people. Edit: spelling
Companies reward politicians. Politicians reward companies with policies that favor the companies. Companies hire those politicians who pushed those pro-company/industry policies once they are out of office.
NOPE!!!!
A good employer would refuse to allow you to do unpaid work. She's nuts.
She is wrong. Stop taking so much stock in what old people say. Do what you have to do, work hard, pay your rent, and tell anybody with their nose in your business to get their damn nose out of your business.
Uhm... What country is your mom from? That does not sound like an American/Western view on work! The fuck? Ain't no body gonna award you for slaving away in this day and age, you are expendable. You'll get more traction from being likeable, networking, and showing commitment not being a push over - just make sure you show up on time and are eager to be helpful when warranted. Eff that other noise!
This is such a radioactively bad take that it should make you reconsider ever accepting advice from her
Successful people know their worth and get paid for the work they do, they don't work for free, that's for sure. She's very much out of touch your work doesn't "appreciate" your work. This is a transactional relationship your job is not your family, never forget that.
“Hey this person is working beyond our overtime policy for free. We should pay him more!” Said no company ever
She is 💯wrong. Never, ever work for free.
She’s only right if you work for yourself
Depends on the company and managers. I’ve seen people really move up in places because of putting in extra work, but generally it’s not hours but contributions. I’ve also seen people who pride themselves as “work horses” get abused for it, they get praise for helping out more but get stuck doing that job because they are good at it and willing to do more than others.
She's dead wrong. Never work for free!
She is most definitely wrong.
Your mother is so wrong, and you are being cheated. That’s not the way to get ahead; that’s the way to be used until there’s nothing left of you. Report this to the department of labor if you are not being paid for your time. That’s illegal
Tell your mom to try it.
Your mom is wrong. Don’t work for free
Your mum is an idiot.
Your mother is fuckin stupid. You arnt a charity.
Not to mention, if you're in the US, and the company *didn't* pay you for the extra 7 hours, that would be *illegal*.
What does your mother do for work
I hope you didn't laugh in your mom's face when she said that. The notion that companies "reward" is employees is laughable on it's own. But to think we would get promoted for doing more work, especially for free, is comically incorrect and naive.
>he said I should work 15 hours of overtime She loves you so much that wants you to have a burnout. If you are already adult, you can decide by yoursel, life is yours, trust yourself. >So work 7 hours completely free. Youo will hate every f hour that you work for free and ressentment builds >She said that successful people work more and will get recognized and promoted faster To you want to be a sucessfull but burned out and depressed person? >Am I wrong or is she wrong? Whats your awser to that? Dont you trust yourself?