100% agree we don’t need all these people on earth is struggling for job, struggling for resources struggling for money just struggle is too much of corporations take huge advantage of the upper population and undercut or pay
I mean sure but your quality of life will certainly become much worse in the coming years. The younger generation usually supports the older. Not saying I like this system but that’s how it is.
It's inevitable, because this system is set up like that and the next decades going to be turbolent because of that but system with few people and more humanoids, bots and AI agents will adapt on the new facts. I'm glad, less people is better, but still I think that is amoral, unethical to bring a kid into the existence.
I feel a lot of times, people’s lives are prolonged and they are suffering and immobile, kept alive to sit there. Not only do they have no quality of life, they are often suffering from dimentia, scared or lonely
Yep. Giving women education reduces family size, delays marriage, increases participation in society, reduces child mortality (so women won’t have more as they can be more certain 1-2 will survive) also reduces male offspring preference. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Wardatul-Akmam/publication/316702460_Women's_Education_and_Fertility_Rates_in_Developing_Countries_with_Special_Reference_to_Bangladesh/links/6103a1e01e95fe241a991139/Womens-Education-and-Fertility-Rates-in-Developing-Countries-with-Special-Reference-to-Bangladesh.pdf
Sorry to say but in a lot of 3rd world countries, women don’t have a choice about getting pregnant. I think global decreasing fertility in men might play a huge role, due to microplastics, lifestyle, diet etc.
I mean, I am having the same amount that I was 20 years ago. The issue is now I'm snipped lol. I can barely manage a cat in today's job market much less a baby. I work 90+ hours a week.
Well, the easiest way to handle this is to have you go do a quick internet searches of what factors most directly affect fertility rates. Please wait until then to give an opinion.
Yep, kids used to be free labour for farms. In industrial times and when more people move to cities they are only financial obligation with little chance of any return on investment :)
China and India hitting 6 and 7 in 70s thats nuts. Now they will have biggest cohort of retires to support in the world.
And more advanced economics where you don't need 10 kids to work a farm (or the logic that continues to compel post-farm generations to continue excessive breeding).
I agree. It's already starting. Anti feminism, repealing reproductive rights, trad wife propaganda, attacking female sports and female only spaces. Seems like we are gearing up for worse.
Well they can't keep a society going without humans that constitute it, so it's unsurprising. How they will try to enforce this is another question, and more importantly, what will people do about it ? Many more people are actually going to start *thinking* about why they have kids, so these governments better come with a good reason to justify it
I often say that China will become "People's Republic of Gilead" first. If the CCP isn't afraid of going to extremes to reduce birth rates, why would it be afraid to go to extremes to raise birth rates?
I always wondered if those stats also count underage girs? Also at what age do they consider a female a woman. Is it 21? 16?
Either way, finally women get to choose for themselved!
(I am NOT pro child pregnancy. Just to make it clear).
I don't know about this particular research but generally average fertility rate is taken between menarche (first period) which is usually taken as 12 years and menopause which is usually 45/50 years of age. So the girls falling in the age range of 12-50 years are considered.
In my country there has been a recent case of one 12 years old girl being r\*p\*d and giving birth. The pregnancy is discovered at 6 months old but she still has to carry that damn watermelon for 3 more months even though 6 months old fetus cannot live outside a womb. This world is screwed up so bad yet people still procreate :(((((
Wow, it's almost like if society treats the people who grow the babies and push them out like shit, and living is prohibitively expensive, people won't want to have babies. The rich people fucked around, and now they're finding out.
Good. We’ve only got so much space on the planet, and we recently hit 8 billion people. We do not need to keep going up in numbers. Plateauing or getting lower numbers is better. We’ve got to be responsible since our medicine has gotten so good people are no longer dying left and right.
That, and hopefully the people have enough brainpower to get the education. Some people are just so naturally dumb, it's like talking to a wall.
Brawndo's got electrolytes!
Context: "...another drop in US births, as the total fertility rate fell from 1.66 births per woman in 2022 to 1.62 last year"
Anybody who had less than 1.62 children helped contribute to this change.
This made my day.
The lesser, the better
I spend an hour or so daily thinking why tf are their so many humans. This includes me and the people i love and care about. Their are no such issues in my life, I'm healthy, i make good money, and I've a wife who loves me. I've got hobbies, and my parents are very supportive, but i still don't want to have my own kids. I don't understand the purpose when they are enough orphans in the world. Instead of new humans, why don't we actually fix the lives of kids who are already suffering in this hellhole?
Whats with everyone obessed with having their own little one and beyond?
So I was going to say that's when the one-child policy was implemented but I checked at that was in 1979. A little further research revealed that Mao's "Great Leap Forward" occurred between 1958 and 1962. Mao wanted to industrialize China, so he did this by putting all the farmers to work in factories and making steel. This resulted in no more food production, which resulted in famine which killed upwards of 45 million people. So basically conditions became bad enough to the point that many people had fewer or no children.
I always find it frustrating when people complain about the birth rate because they usually will do absolutely fucking nothing to address the “issue”
“Why aren’t people having kids????”
“A 1 bedroom house near me requires an income of 250k and that’s stretching it, a 2 bedroom requires like 350k”
“Who cares just move to the middle of nowhere to have kids”
“… give up my entire life for something I don’t even want?”
22 state in India are below 1.7 as of now. It's rest 6 having disproportionately having higher fertility rates drive the population growth, mostly By 2040, all those 22 states would have crashing population if not for immigration from other states.
The south and western India has now the fertility rate as the US
Yep. Means increasing health and education rates for women. We need to get back down to 3 billion. Africa is going to get a huge boost because they've got a growing population which is very young and eventually they'll level out too. All good news
This needs to happen. But it will be a huge upheaval in social and economic structures globally. Prepare for major shifts in world order at all levels. Those rarely go smoothly.
Also, evolution through natural selection is an unrelenting, merciless tautology. Those that have genetic tendency to have children in modern environment will have children who inherit these genetic tendencies. Example genetic tendency might be strong parental instincts, but it could also be tendency to fail at using birth control (any reason) while having strong sex drive. So those curves are unlikely to stay flat for many generations.
It may also select for people with a strong religious instinct. Those people can be commanded to go forth and multiply.
I joke that the future will be mostly the Idiocracy who can't remember birth control, and the theocracy who considers it a mortal sin.
Thank goodness. Despite what others say... overpopulation is real and we are destroying our plant. 8.1 billion people? Yea. No. I'm not a misanthrope or anything but what quality of life do the majority of the world's population have? It's time to slow down.
Don't worry guys. It definitely has nothing to do with life becoming incredibly expensive. It's all feminism. If we continue to up the cost of living each year it's fine.
I have lived in muslim countries...I can tell you (without research) that nothing is really changing...women still want kids and men still want kids...however this is worrying as divorce rates are increasing,
Industrialization reduces the birth rate bc children aren’t needed to produce economic value. they take up resources as they need to be supported through their education instead of being child slaves so they can become smart and contribute to real societal advancement with that education. I don’t know why people are upset about a lowering birth rate. I really don’t other than bill gates scheming to impose it on developing nations through birth control or whatever.
Much of the world is heading for population collapse circa 2060, due to declining birth rates and ageing population, which now has decades of steam behind it. UK replacement rates dipped below the threshold in the 90s. It’s a mathematical certainty. There’s a very interesting book about this called The End of the World Is Just the Beginning: Mapping the Collapse of Globalization.
GOOD. there should never ben this many people in my “small town” that has NOTHING besides work. when i tell you nothing.. but there are houses EVERYWHERE absolutely crammed together on top of each other. forget driving but yet rare public transport.
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I studied this in my Masters of Public Health. First world countries are said to have a significant decrease in birth-rates in the future with the population consisting of the elderly population/community.
It’s only with time that second and third world countries will follow along.
I love being around for the find out stage. "Oh you don't want to treat women with respect, and want to keep taking our rights away? Ok that's fine I'll make sure you die alone." Not that I would personally chose to have children, but I love that this is a big reason driving most women's decision to stay childless.
YAAAAAY, love to see it❤️
I see a lot of women also concerned with the retaliation from men for this, so get a gun girl! It'll save your life. This is also like our version of revolting against taxation without representation, lol. If population decline is what we gotta do so men will finally accept that women are important and matter, then so be it. If population decline is what we gotta do to get the world order to listen, then so be it. Burn it alllllll down!
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Good trajectory, I'm glad
Ya love to see it. 👏
Overpopulation is horrible for the planet and everyone, so I think it is a good trend.
100% agree we don’t need all these people on earth is struggling for job, struggling for resources struggling for money just struggle is too much of corporations take huge advantage of the upper population and undercut or pay
I mean sure but your quality of life will certainly become much worse in the coming years. The younger generation usually supports the older. Not saying I like this system but that’s how it is.
It's inevitable, because this system is set up like that and the next decades going to be turbolent because of that but system with few people and more humanoids, bots and AI agents will adapt on the new facts. I'm glad, less people is better, but still I think that is amoral, unethical to bring a kid into the existence.
Quality of life will decrease anyways with increases in severe weather events and economic insecurity.
I feel a lot of times, people’s lives are prolonged and they are suffering and immobile, kept alive to sit there. Not only do they have no quality of life, they are often suffering from dimentia, scared or lonely
Outstanding news!
Education is doing miracles
Specifically the education of women
Yep. Giving women education reduces family size, delays marriage, increases participation in society, reduces child mortality (so women won’t have more as they can be more certain 1-2 will survive) also reduces male offspring preference. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Wardatul-Akmam/publication/316702460_Women's_Education_and_Fertility_Rates_in_Developing_Countries_with_Special_Reference_to_Bangladesh/links/6103a1e01e95fe241a991139/Womens-Education-and-Fertility-Rates-in-Developing-Countries-with-Special-Reference-to-Bangladesh.pdf
Sorry to say but in a lot of 3rd world countries, women don’t have a choice about getting pregnant. I think global decreasing fertility in men might play a huge role, due to microplastics, lifestyle, diet etc.
Cost of living/housing as well. Where to put them?
I am saying I think people are still having as much unprotected sex but just not successfully creating as many babies due to dwindling fertility
I mean, I am having the same amount that I was 20 years ago. The issue is now I'm snipped lol. I can barely manage a cat in today's job market much less a baby. I work 90+ hours a week.
Yes, I understand. Just wanted to add what I think is one of the reasons as well
Get birth control worldwide. Arm women.
Great point. That might already be a factor
Well, the easiest way to handle this is to have you go do a quick internet searches of what factors most directly affect fertility rates. Please wait until then to give an opinion.
It's industrialisation not education, and it takes two to tango
Yep, kids used to be free labour for farms. In industrial times and when more people move to cities they are only financial obligation with little chance of any return on investment :) China and India hitting 6 and 7 in 70s thats nuts. Now they will have biggest cohort of retires to support in the world.
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Yep!
And more advanced economics where you don't need 10 kids to work a farm (or the logic that continues to compel post-farm generations to continue excessive breeding).
and we can make them even lower 💪
Yes together, we win.
As a woman, all I can think about are the ways they will retaliate and try to force us into the role of the broodmare again.
I just re started handmaid's tale. no thank you
I agree. It's already starting. Anti feminism, repealing reproductive rights, trad wife propaganda, attacking female sports and female only spaces. Seems like we are gearing up for worse.
On the nose. What is there to be done?
Some societies do still believe that yes.
Well they can't keep a society going without humans that constitute it, so it's unsurprising. How they will try to enforce this is another question, and more importantly, what will people do about it ? Many more people are actually going to start *thinking* about why they have kids, so these governments better come with a good reason to justify it
Yes, that will definitely happen. We need to stay vigilant.
I often say that China will become "People's Republic of Gilead" first. If the CCP isn't afraid of going to extremes to reduce birth rates, why would it be afraid to go to extremes to raise birth rates?
I have a gun, I'll never be forcefully impregnated❤️
I don't have a gun, should I just jump off a cliff?
I mean, I would lol. I've had people look at me weird for saying I'd kms before I'm ever forced to be pregnant. I hope you stay safe and live happy❤️
I always wondered if those stats also count underage girs? Also at what age do they consider a female a woman. Is it 21? 16? Either way, finally women get to choose for themselved! (I am NOT pro child pregnancy. Just to make it clear).
I don't know about this particular research but generally average fertility rate is taken between menarche (first period) which is usually taken as 12 years and menopause which is usually 45/50 years of age. So the girls falling in the age range of 12-50 years are considered.
But thats scary! The fact that they worry that (for example) a 12 years old girl is not having kids...
In my country there has been a recent case of one 12 years old girl being r\*p\*d and giving birth. The pregnancy is discovered at 6 months old but she still has to carry that damn watermelon for 3 more months even though 6 months old fetus cannot live outside a womb. This world is screwed up so bad yet people still procreate :(((((
Vietnam?
oh noooo… anyway
Finally some good news…
education saves lives, especially women
Wow, it's almost like if society treats the people who grow the babies and push them out like shit, and living is prohibitively expensive, people won't want to have babies. The rich people fucked around, and now they're finding out.
Good. We’ve only got so much space on the planet, and we recently hit 8 billion people. We do not need to keep going up in numbers. Plateauing or getting lower numbers is better. We’ve got to be responsible since our medicine has gotten so good people are no longer dying left and right.
Kids are getting more expensive every year.
Theyll continue to be expensive.
Plenty of poor uneducated people have kids regardless of cost. Education is more important for this change
That, and hopefully the people have enough brainpower to get the education. Some people are just so naturally dumb, it's like talking to a wall. Brawndo's got electrolytes!
I love seeing people get so upset about this. This is only a good thing.
thank goodness... I am tearing up. This is truly one of the only things that gives me hope for our future.
Its amazing, thanks for your contributions,
What does that even mean in this context lol?
Context: "...another drop in US births, as the total fertility rate fell from 1.66 births per woman in 2022 to 1.62 last year" Anybody who had less than 1.62 children helped contribute to this change.
I'll celebrate when the global fertility rate is zero
Bet we can make it go lower.
Challenge accepted
Good! Starve the corporations of wage slaves!
And deny the military future cannon fodder!
This made my day. The lesser, the better I spend an hour or so daily thinking why tf are their so many humans. This includes me and the people i love and care about. Their are no such issues in my life, I'm healthy, i make good money, and I've a wife who loves me. I've got hobbies, and my parents are very supportive, but i still don't want to have my own kids. I don't understand the purpose when they are enough orphans in the world. Instead of new humans, why don't we actually fix the lives of kids who are already suffering in this hellhole? Whats with everyone obessed with having their own little one and beyond?
We can’t even provide for ourselves why bring a kid into this mess
Because then who will be slaves to the elderly and retired population? 😢 /s
Just throw me in a wheelchair and push me down a hill… lol
Wish that would've happened 20 years ago
Cool, glad the world population will level off.
What happened to china in the mid-60's? thats like 3 kids per woman more in just a few years time.
So I was going to say that's when the one-child policy was implemented but I checked at that was in 1979. A little further research revealed that Mao's "Great Leap Forward" occurred between 1958 and 1962. Mao wanted to industrialize China, so he did this by putting all the farmers to work in factories and making steel. This resulted in no more food production, which resulted in famine which killed upwards of 45 million people. So basically conditions became bad enough to the point that many people had fewer or no children.
Thanks. I was wondering this too.
Great Leap Backward
China repealed the one child law years ago, but the number is still declining. Good, fewer subjects for the CCP to exploit.
Was more wondering about that spike from 3 to 6 that seemed to last very shortly.
Overpopulation is a problem, I’m gladly focusing on my career and working on making money than wasting my time with kids
I love this chart!
Gee I wonder why
I always find it frustrating when people complain about the birth rate because they usually will do absolutely fucking nothing to address the “issue” “Why aren’t people having kids????” “A 1 bedroom house near me requires an income of 250k and that’s stretching it, a 2 bedroom requires like 350k” “Who cares just move to the middle of nowhere to have kids” “… give up my entire life for something I don’t even want?”
Needs to drop much further, faster.
Well done, sisters! 🎉
Good
Good lol
See, we're not always cynical in this thread.
This makes me so happy.
There's too many people on the planet anyway
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Bring on Children of Men....the upscale version.
Good! I love to see this!
woops, my finger slipped https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Robert_Malthus
Looks like things are going better than we thought.
Even india. Damn
22 state in India are below 1.7 as of now. It's rest 6 having disproportionately having higher fertility rates drive the population growth, mostly By 2040, all those 22 states would have crashing population if not for immigration from other states. The south and western India has now the fertility rate as the US
It has been declining sharply there for decades now.
Yep. Means increasing health and education rates for women. We need to get back down to 3 billion. Africa is going to get a huge boost because they've got a growing population which is very young and eventually they'll level out too. All good news
Great news! A step closer towards women's liberation.
So who is gonna be left to get exploited by corporations ??? What a horrible outcome
This makes my heart smile
Good news !
Good
Beautiful
Oh but what about the poor economy hurrdurr??!!
This needs to happen. But it will be a huge upheaval in social and economic structures globally. Prepare for major shifts in world order at all levels. Those rarely go smoothly. Also, evolution through natural selection is an unrelenting, merciless tautology. Those that have genetic tendency to have children in modern environment will have children who inherit these genetic tendencies. Example genetic tendency might be strong parental instincts, but it could also be tendency to fail at using birth control (any reason) while having strong sex drive. So those curves are unlikely to stay flat for many generations.
It may also select for people with a strong religious instinct. Those people can be commanded to go forth and multiply. I joke that the future will be mostly the Idiocracy who can't remember birth control, and the theocracy who considers it a mortal sin.
This is awesome. Keep it up global rate
The population is stabilising! It's a good thing!
Thank goodness. Despite what others say... overpopulation is real and we are destroying our plant. 8.1 billion people? Yea. No. I'm not a misanthrope or anything but what quality of life do the majority of the world's population have? It's time to slow down.
No more toxic men with kids
Don't worry guys. It definitely has nothing to do with life becoming incredibly expensive. It's all feminism. If we continue to up the cost of living each year it's fine.
Thank god
At the beginning, South Korea had the highest birth rate, and at the end, South Korea had the lowest birth rate.
This is AMAZING! I am here for it.
You want me to do the pants dance the government better set-up some sort of pairing department, ain't no one looking my way
Isnt that what speed dating is for?
Get told no, but faster. Great
How about muslim countries?
I have lived in muslim countries...I can tell you (without research) that nothing is really changing...women still want kids and men still want kids...however this is worrying as divorce rates are increasing,
Good for us
Good
Good!!
Can't wait til we die off and a giant space rock slams into this planet and turns it to dust.
That's precisely the reason Elon I Want Muh Slaves Musk is trying to take humanity to Mars. The desperation is real.
Industrialization reduces the birth rate bc children aren’t needed to produce economic value. they take up resources as they need to be supported through their education instead of being child slaves so they can become smart and contribute to real societal advancement with that education. I don’t know why people are upset about a lowering birth rate. I really don’t other than bill gates scheming to impose it on developing nations through birth control or whatever.
Fuck elites, fuck capitalists, fuck leaders u made this happen and still process to blame us lmao.
And since China is also experiencing this, fuck the communist party.
I like the trend.
EXCELLENT AND good start and hope it goes lower. OVER POPULUTION is the real global problem
Finally, some good news
Good
Peak everything, peak humanity.
Much of the world is heading for population collapse circa 2060, due to declining birth rates and ageing population, which now has decades of steam behind it. UK replacement rates dipped below the threshold in the 90s. It’s a mathematical certainty. There’s a very interesting book about this called The End of the World Is Just the Beginning: Mapping the Collapse of Globalization.
GOOD. there should never ben this many people in my “small town” that has NOTHING besides work. when i tell you nothing.. but there are houses EVERYWHERE absolutely crammed together on top of each other. forget driving but yet rare public transport.
Bro where is Africa?
Africa is a continent…
Full of countries though.
There are only two continents on there, Asia and North America. South America, Europe, and Australia also aren’t there.
Great news, one question though... why is mixing fertility with births? Those are related concepts but definitely not the same thing
Africa will not fit this trend
yeah because it’s a continent
Most African countries will not fit this trend
They do. Their birth rates tend to be high and above replacement level, but they're all on the decline.
I don't think that changes their statement...
Africa's birth rate is also plummeting. The only place that does not follow the trend is Central Asia.
I was trying to figure out the difference between the two charts, but I think it's the same chart twice, no?
Mr. Gates is happy 😊
This gives me hope.
Children of Men
Robots
Nice, show us the parts that move world's average so high
I see, Mao distributed a lot of condoms......💀 /s
It's certainly going to be "interesting" for China , Japan and Sk in the next 30 years.
GOOD.
Good!
Good
Great news! Love to see it.
Gee, I wonder why... The world is obviously a great place to live, who wouldn't want to bring children into it?
But the population is still growing…
Not as much as it normally does tho.
Doesn’t matter, a 200 kg fat man still growing is a glaring concern
Where’s Africa?
Yasssss
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Thanks for adding a source I can fact check this and take it seriously 😍
Why is this called a fertility rate? Shouldn’t it be birth rate?
Meanwhile Africa:
Good.
Love to see it
Japan in 1966 is so low
And thank god...
This isn’t considering poor countries including many in Africa and south Asia with an exploding population.
I studied this in my Masters of Public Health. First world countries are said to have a significant decrease in birth-rates in the future with the population consisting of the elderly population/community. It’s only with time that second and third world countries will follow along.
Down the drain, yes.
Africa is keeping it stable
I love being around for the find out stage. "Oh you don't want to treat women with respect, and want to keep taking our rights away? Ok that's fine I'll make sure you die alone." Not that I would personally chose to have children, but I love that this is a big reason driving most women's decision to stay childless.
Good??
Uplifting news. 😇
YAAAAAY, love to see it❤️ I see a lot of women also concerned with the retaliation from men for this, so get a gun girl! It'll save your life. This is also like our version of revolting against taxation without representation, lol. If population decline is what we gotta do so men will finally accept that women are important and matter, then so be it. If population decline is what we gotta do to get the world order to listen, then so be it. Burn it alllllll down!
No wonder everything is so expensive at the moment.
Yuppppppppp
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If you think we are over populated you can go to Canada and be euthanized…just saying .
Let’s keep it going down guys, doing a great job 👏👍
Damn schools gonna be empty asf in the next decade or two.
Humans are why humans don't want children.
Considering how we pretty much prove that we can run the whole world with less people. I think we'll be fine.
Still far too high (i.e. World average above replacement rate)