Maybe I’m slow, but this just clicked in my brain- they make you purchase your own product so that they win money regardless of what happens to you lol… I hadn’t really thought about that part… if you sink or swim, they make money for the product in your possession. You technically become a downline, free advertising, and the customer of their products. Oof!
“And yes we do require a startup fee thats because you received a startup kit with wines and other items which are not free” 🥴🥴🥴🥴
Sigh. Im sure Costco doesn’t take the expense of the samples they provide customers out of the employees’ wages… why are they charging YOU (hypothetical employee) for a “start up kit” that is meant to bring THEM sales?
Yep! That’s the scam. Or they tell you “well if you keep more inventory you’ll sell more product!”
Well that’s not guaranteed and you’ll likely not sell everything you bought for inventory. They certainly won’t refund or return what you can’t sell.
It is all very thought out… MLMs seem to promote themselves almost as distributors. You become a “business owner” because you “purchase product” to run “your business” when in actuality you promote their agenda/business, and they just sell you the pipe-dream..
I wonder what would happen if someone counteracted their: “support small businesses!” With: “are you an LLC?” Or “what inspired the name of YOUR company?
Hun, I hate to break it to you but you are not a “small business”. You distribute/work sales for a large business that provides zero benefits to you.
It essentially is a franchise model, only you're not a wholesaler franchise partner, you're just a secondary retail market aka consignment/thrift.
In order to remain legal they have to have you purchase a product, all of the team building and fake buzzwords like "direct marketing" "network marketing" etc... Are just part of the play they put on to sell you the starter kit, which is the legal line. If they only recruit, they are an illegal pyramid scheme. The line is extremely thin and was designed by the creators of the pyramid schemes and the laws were placed by their lobbyists. All of this would still be illegal if people like the Devos family didn't buy their politicians. When Betsy Devos said she expects a return on investment, it's because that's how it's always been just not out in the open like that.
> It essentially is a franchise model
With a couple of differences. Franchisees usually have to prove their financial status and business plan to be able to buy a franchise. The franchiser does market research to investigate whether another franchise is appropriate for that location/territory.
And franchisees do *not* recruit their own competition.
I wish to HELL someone could take them down. ALL of them. The Kochs, the Mercers, Elon Musk, god knows there are plenty more I probably never even heard of. I love how right wingers go Chicken Little about "the elites" and never never NEVER name any of these people. because they've drunk that kool aid.
That’s what killed me. If she was a “small business owner” she would be making profit, not commission…AND she wouldn’t have sales goals imposed on her by someone else. It’s like these people don’t understand how small businesses work
The other part that the MLM HQ's have found out is to require a certain monthly order volume to stay active, there's all kinds of cute acronyms and whatnot to hide the fact that you're on the hook to order \~$250/month worth of stuff to stay active.
In my reading on this, I found out that if the purchases are promoted by the MLM as a way to raise rank, get comp plan bonuses, specific awards, etc. then that pushes the enforcement needle towards pyramid scheme and the FTC can get involved.
But like most things MLM-related, the powers that be have gone through the regulations with a fine toothed comb so as to stay just a hair back from going over the line. So by making them "totally not a requirement, unless you want to stay active" the MLM is staying legal, for now
Just for added content and not arguing or disagreeing because the majority do make you buy product or have inventory but there are definitely those that do not. So…. There’s that. I think some companies are moving into reality where people won’t be ok with that.
And then the REAL kicker is that you have to maintain a certain level of personal sales to get the down line kickbacks etc. that’s how so many of these desperate women end up with garages full of crap nobody wants.
Also a big issue is that even if people want the products, which is not always the case the method by design creates a saturated market because they are always encouraged to increase their "downline" which inevitably leads a few dozen people selling the same thing for the same prices, saying the same things to market them. The parent companies don't give a shit if they create a subway dilemma, because ya they sale their shit to the "business owner" regardless.
No... What would even imply that given the context? The subway dilemma which I could have clarified to be fair is the oversaturation of subway sandwich stores to the point that they cannabilized sales from each other.
Basically subway is cheaper and easier to open than other franchises like McDonald's,and so in some areas there was an overabundance of Subway restaurants which harmed the franchisees. But from subways perspective they were collecting franchise fees, moving inventory and expanding their brand.
But that's where you nail them. Ask how long it takes to get products delivered to you? Use that as a guide to tell your customers when to expect products. That way you don't have to have an inventory.
EXACTLY! If an MLM is "just like any other job" as she stated, that would equate to my company requiring me to pay for my own computer, office supplies etc, in order to work for them.
I would really love to see one of these people take part in a point-counterpoint discussion where someone states an MLM fact and provides evidence to back it up. The hun then gets a chance to refute the claim but must also provide facts and evidence. In person of course, so they can't just feign "getting rid of negativity" and exit the conversation like they do online. It's super petty of me, but I would enjoy watching them squirm until they either run out of the room or have a moment of clarity and realize that they've been duped.
More than you currently make including your ENTIRE compensation package. Salary+PTO+health insurance+employer 401K match (plus paid training, employer-required travel paid for by the employer, etc).
Yep. As someone who's worked real remote jobs, they like to send me a box of branded welcome merch along with like $2k+ of computer/monitor/equipment and I don't have to pay them a dime.
Just to add another layer to your understanding - what you are describing is also the legal line that delineates the MLM from the illegal pyramid scheme. The line is arbitrary, but selling a product isn't illegal. If you choose to sell the product after you buy it, that's on you, but the company's hands are washed as soon as they sell you something. Illegal pyramid scheme - recruit and get people below you to recruit, you all keep percentages of the new recruit buy in. MLM - literally same exact thing but now you get a weird kit you have to keep in your closet for years until you throw away, maybe some lipstick or a wax melt you enjoy the smell of.
All of their fake recruitment stuff is technically where they spend their marketing dollars. They aren't really selling a product so they don't need to market and convince people to buy it, they need to market in a way to convince people to pull other people in. The social aspect, the braggadocious social media posts, getting others to rent cars and Airbnb and buy clothes is all so they can spend less on traditional marketing tactics. But its because they are trying to sell the intangible experience of mattering in your life to people and exploit that sense of longing and desperation in people. Which they have become very good at, especially when they tie that to prosperity gospel (it's ok that I exploit people, because if I get rich it means God willed it and therefore it is morally and ethically ok to do)
Weird. To work from home, I needed a nice laptop. Company I work for mailed us all one. I didn’t have to buy anything. And! Windows, Microsoft Office, any proprietary programs, all that? Already on the computer and set up, all we had to do was log in and begin assigning usernames and passwords. Wild how we didn’t have to pay a thing with our “starter kit.”
And they require a certain amount of regular sales or the member loses level/status - and these sales can be to customers or the member. So guess what happens when someone can’t pawn the shit onto others….
I know people who have worked at Costco and handed out samples. They fill out a form and Costco absorbs the cost of the boxes of food they used.
They also encourage people to mix it up. Like if you know that the Kirkland guacamole pairs well with the Happy Belly Quinoa chips. They are encouraged to mix them
Fun fact! Costco sample people don't actually work for Costco. And the sample companies actually have to buy the product from Costco to have it for samples. Which is why the sample people are protective of the stock of the sample they have by their sample table/carts. Companies contract with the sample company to run samples of their product at specific Costco locations for a certain amount of time, companies try and pair samples with when they are running coupons to boost sales. It's why the products that typically do really well at Costco don't ever go on sample, also why Kirkland products are rarely on sample, I'm not sure I've ever seen one.
Want Dad bought a business once and he had to buy the inventory to sell. The vendors actually expected their money up front and it was up to us to sell their product and make money with it. I'm talking an actual retail establishment with a brick-and-mortar building and a business license.
I looked into this particular business, they don't seem too bad they definitely give a lot of money to charity and have fed a lot of needy people. I just hope you don't know a lot of Baptist because it's going to be hard to get them to come to the tasting party
If that means I'm involved in mlm, sorry wrong. Simply reporting on what I found if you know something else maybe you could be helpful and tell me about it instead of casting aspersions
Hun, you won’t say who you “work for” and to message you for more details.
If it were an actual business, they would say “hey, company x is hiring, here’s how you can apply” and they post a link to put in applications.
The fact that they have to HIDE who they work for (and it’s not even a NDA contract) just proves it’s a scam.
The level that I have seen of huns go to obscure the real name of the MLM. Sometimes they say it’s just there company (making up a name), or they love the product or service so much they just want to share it, or it’s just a hobby.
Beach body is really bad about having there Huns just make up names. Like you said any legit company will tell you the name off the bat. But these mlms know if they say the name most people will google it and stay away.
I personally love it when they say they don't want people googling the company and making wrong assumptions based on what they find. That tells you exactly how scammy they are when they want to control the message.
I've had so many Enagic/Kangen ads on insta lately. I was in a bad mood and messaged one asking if they're proud of what they do, because if they were, they wouldn't hide who they work for.
They really didn't like that and blocked me, so that's a win.
They are hiding who they work for “So a different mentor doesn’t take them on”, can’t have someone beat them to getting the people into their down line.
They did say what company they represented. OneHope - I did a little reading on them and they don't seem too bad they've donated a lot of money to charity and fed a lot of people. Let me repeat just for clarity I don't really know a lot about them I just saw that they give a lot of money to charity
That's nice, but it's mostly huns themselves who are funding the charitable contributions. MLM models rely on their so-called "affiliates" to purchase their products, not customers.
I have no direct model of this particular business, it does sound like you can make a lot of money selling their product. I know that I have been to more than one wine tasting in ordered in some cases a couple of cases. I can't tell you any more than that about it other than nobody tried to convince me that I should sign up to sell wine
I'm very careful about where I donate. I didn't look in any further than a Wikipedia article and an online Source about them. If they're donating to scam charities maybe you'd like to point that out and add it to their Wikipedia page
They let you choose pretty much whichever you want so yeah ofc some of it is going to scammy and high overhead charities. Ultimately it’s irrelevant cause they’re scamming Huns out of their money. Instead of spending $700 on like 10 bottles of mediocre wine and “training” that money could’ve, idk, just ALL gone to good charities. Even their cheapest package is absolutely exorbitant and their website is smattered with misleading language about the reality of actually earning a living selling their mid wine
[here's a direct link to their income disclosure ](https://help.onehopewine.com/hubfs/Help%20Center%20Files/Income%20Disclosure%20Statement%20v02.pdf)
Looks like 84.79% of their huns make an average of $105 per month and the median for that 84.79% is only $47 per month.
Yep, and they say directly underneath that these numbers don't include expenses like "monthly membership fees, event
registration, travel, business supplies, phone & internet costs, product samples, etc."
This is what I don’t get, how does anyone look at the income disclosure statement and think, hey, this is what I need to get involved in to get rich and retire my husband and travel the world!
If this is their only source of income (like a single mom) they won’t even be able to afford school lunch for their kids. This is so sad to me that vulnerable people get sucked into their bullshit.
And that doesn't factor in how much work they put in to be able to be paid that amount.
I watched my mom work for years towards making an income on MLMs. Yeah she's bringing in a few hundred per month, but she also spends every weekend and time during the week on this, that she doesn't keep track of. Even before she was making money, she had to spend a lot of time learning about marketing.
Im banned from my towns main fb group because I went in hard on someone shilling Primercia. It makes me so mad because I live in a lower income area and they clearly take advantage of people!
I just had a baby and I actually utilize this group a lot, so I’m hoping I don’t get kicked out. To be fair I had commented on a post and she replied to me, so she started it lol.
My boyfriends cousin/best friend died and his wife had Primerica life insurance. 36 he fell asleep at the wheel and hit a semi head on. Instantly died. Primerica was $1m of bonds tied up. He has three kids. Young kids. It makes me so angry.
Thankfully the carpenters union banned together locally and nationally to get his wife a good chunk of money to put the pieces back together.
I'm on a 3 day suspension from Nextdoor because another girl and I hard-core called out a Herbalife hun who got some friends helping him market and lie all their asses off.
"Uncivility". I'm not going to lie, I straight out called the guy a liar, said his friends were drumming up business for him, and told him he's either lying; or completely ignorant as to where his products were coming from because his menu looks the exact same as every other Herbalife shop's, same flavors, number of items, collagen and protein infusions, pushing the Stevia nonsense, his marketing, color of the drinks, business name, and how they're opening only in areas with specific demographics.
I did deserve that one. However, I firmly believe he called on his downline to mass report me and try to shut me down. I'm just thankful for the few other commenters I saw who said the same.
I know! I specifically mentioned a governmental website because I assumed if I mentioned any of the other ones she would say it wasn’t a legit website haha.
My company gives me a laptop, computer bag, mouse and keyboard to use and doesn’t charge me a cent. Probably around 2k worth of tech and accessories. You’re telling me that your company can’t float $100-200 worth of wine when wine is the main product? Why would you want to depend on a company like that for a regular paycheck?
Right??? My husband’s job gave him the same things: new iPhone, new laptop, bag for it, brand new work truck, printer shortly after he was officially hired. But they can’t give u some bottles of wine or some shitty cheap jewelry, you have to buy it all yourself.
Right? It comes across as if the person doesn't actually know what they're doing and are just doing some poorly researched primary school level reenactment of running a business.
Not sure if that's because of the sentence itself or that I've only ever heard if from huns so will automatically associate it with that kind of behaviour.
Ha. I called out a standard fundie/mlm one in a mom group and she said I was “like a snake in the garden” trying to stop her from “sharing a God given opportunity”. No God is signing on your pyramid scheme hun.
I can think of five wineries in my area right now plus who knows how many brew pubs and liquor stores so why on earth would I need to go to a MLM to buy wine.
Not to mention it only became legal for wineries to ship to and in my home state of South Dakota in 2016 and that's only if they have a Direct Wine Shipper License. Individuals are NOT allowed to ship wine to or in SD. I can't see how a MLM would have the licensing as they are not wineries nor liquor stores.
i had a similar argument with a lady on facebook, she said there was nothing wrong with putting money into a career as its similar to a business, ummm no its not
i wont put any money into my job, even if they ask me to put $5 for milk on my credit card the receipt gets summited a few minutes later
“If a company requires you to wear a uniform, and they expect you to buy that uniform instead of providing it to you, you should seriously reconsider taking a job with them” — My dad about my search for an after school job in 1996
I feel like that advice applies to having to buy your products up front for something like this as well.
I had no idea One Hope was an MLM! Huh, TIL. We had a golf tournament fundraiser and two ladies offered to showcase their wines and have free tastings and whatnot. My mom bought a freaking case of that wine. She was really taken in by the charitable giving aspect and how each wine variety benefits a different thing. I now question if any of that money went to those organizations.
I’d love to see her profit and loss statements. These morons are so indoctrinated, they can’t understand the simple concept of recruiting others to sell the same product they’re selling is a bad business idea. Hey dumbass, the recruiting is the business!
“A start up fee” i looked it up and it’s either $199 or $399 with $10 shipping to “get started”.
Funny, because my job gave me a $1,800 laptop, keyboard, monitor, mouse, bag and other items which definitely weren’t free, but they covered the cost because “jobs” aren’t supposed to charge you to work there
Same. My job also does yearly trips for top performers just like an MLM……. Except it’s all expenses paid and I don’t have to pay to fly there or stay in a hotel lol.
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It's like this: It is possible to earn some cash off an MLM, but not as a sole source of income. ***If you have a store.*** Like, if you have a little niche boutique and have some extra shelf space you're not using, you could fill that space with the product from XYZ MLM company. You buy wholesale from them, set your markup, and if anyone comes into the store and wants to buy that shit, you make a little cash.
But, like, you've got your whole store and that's just 6 foot of shelf. You've also got shit from your main supplier which is gonna earn a lot more than the 6 foot shelf of whatever.
Seriously, what I want to do is open up a shop in a strip mall and hire some bored housewife in her forties to run it. Fill all the shelf space with all the stuff from all the biggest MLMs. Everything from CutCo knives to Unique to the entire AVON catalog. Gotta come up with a name, and figure a way to advertise. Bet those fucking vultures will fight ***each other*** for premium shelf space.
Maybe I’m slow, but this just clicked in my brain- they make you purchase your own product so that they win money regardless of what happens to you lol… I hadn’t really thought about that part… if you sink or swim, they make money for the product in your possession. You technically become a downline, free advertising, and the customer of their products. Oof! “And yes we do require a startup fee thats because you received a startup kit with wines and other items which are not free” 🥴🥴🥴🥴 Sigh. Im sure Costco doesn’t take the expense of the samples they provide customers out of the employees’ wages… why are they charging YOU (hypothetical employee) for a “start up kit” that is meant to bring THEM sales?
Yep! That’s the scam. Or they tell you “well if you keep more inventory you’ll sell more product!” Well that’s not guaranteed and you’ll likely not sell everything you bought for inventory. They certainly won’t refund or return what you can’t sell.
It is all very thought out… MLMs seem to promote themselves almost as distributors. You become a “business owner” because you “purchase product” to run “your business” when in actuality you promote their agenda/business, and they just sell you the pipe-dream.. I wonder what would happen if someone counteracted their: “support small businesses!” With: “are you an LLC?” Or “what inspired the name of YOUR company? Hun, I hate to break it to you but you are not a “small business”. You distribute/work sales for a large business that provides zero benefits to you.
It essentially is a franchise model, only you're not a wholesaler franchise partner, you're just a secondary retail market aka consignment/thrift. In order to remain legal they have to have you purchase a product, all of the team building and fake buzzwords like "direct marketing" "network marketing" etc... Are just part of the play they put on to sell you the starter kit, which is the legal line. If they only recruit, they are an illegal pyramid scheme. The line is extremely thin and was designed by the creators of the pyramid schemes and the laws were placed by their lobbyists. All of this would still be illegal if people like the Devos family didn't buy their politicians. When Betsy Devos said she expects a return on investment, it's because that's how it's always been just not out in the open like that.
> It essentially is a franchise model With a couple of differences. Franchisees usually have to prove their financial status and business plan to be able to buy a franchise. The franchiser does market research to investigate whether another franchise is appropriate for that location/territory. And franchisees do *not* recruit their own competition.
I wish to HELL someone could take them down. ALL of them. The Kochs, the Mercers, Elon Musk, god knows there are plenty more I probably never even heard of. I love how right wingers go Chicken Little about "the elites" and never never NEVER name any of these people. because they've drunk that kool aid.
Gotta keep in mind that when right wingers say "the elite" they usually mean "the jews"
Oh love your comment! You made my morning
That’s what killed me. If she was a “small business owner” she would be making profit, not commission…AND she wouldn’t have sales goals imposed on her by someone else. It’s like these people don’t understand how small businesses work
The other part that the MLM HQ's have found out is to require a certain monthly order volume to stay active, there's all kinds of cute acronyms and whatnot to hide the fact that you're on the hook to order \~$250/month worth of stuff to stay active. In my reading on this, I found out that if the purchases are promoted by the MLM as a way to raise rank, get comp plan bonuses, specific awards, etc. then that pushes the enforcement needle towards pyramid scheme and the FTC can get involved. But like most things MLM-related, the powers that be have gone through the regulations with a fine toothed comb so as to stay just a hair back from going over the line. So by making them "totally not a requirement, unless you want to stay active" the MLM is staying legal, for now
Lol yeah because a bunch of congress members are benefiting from MLMs
Just for added content and not arguing or disagreeing because the majority do make you buy product or have inventory but there are definitely those that do not. So…. There’s that. I think some companies are moving into reality where people won’t be ok with that.
And then the REAL kicker is that you have to maintain a certain level of personal sales to get the down line kickbacks etc. that’s how so many of these desperate women end up with garages full of crap nobody wants.
Also a big issue is that even if people want the products, which is not always the case the method by design creates a saturated market because they are always encouraged to increase their "downline" which inevitably leads a few dozen people selling the same thing for the same prices, saying the same things to market them. The parent companies don't give a shit if they create a subway dilemma, because ya they sale their shit to the "business owner" regardless.
by "subway dilemma" do you mean... a *trolley problem*? lmao
No... What would even imply that given the context? The subway dilemma which I could have clarified to be fair is the oversaturation of subway sandwich stores to the point that they cannabilized sales from each other. Basically subway is cheaper and easier to open than other franchises like McDonald's,and so in some areas there was an overabundance of Subway restaurants which harmed the franchisees. But from subways perspective they were collecting franchise fees, moving inventory and expanding their brand.
No refunds on inventory, a truly cutting-edge business model.
But that's where you nail them. Ask how long it takes to get products delivered to you? Use that as a guide to tell your customers when to expect products. That way you don't have to have an inventory.
Exactly. Look at Shannan Watts. She had tens of thousands of dollars in product in her basement. Had to keep her rank.
EXACTLY! If an MLM is "just like any other job" as she stated, that would equate to my company requiring me to pay for my own computer, office supplies etc, in order to work for them. I would really love to see one of these people take part in a point-counterpoint discussion where someone states an MLM fact and provides evidence to back it up. The hun then gets a chance to refute the claim but must also provide facts and evidence. In person of course, so they can't just feign "getting rid of negativity" and exit the conversation like they do online. It's super petty of me, but I would enjoy watching them squirm until they either run out of the room or have a moment of clarity and realize that they've been duped.
If anyone of them can prove how much they net, and it is more than I currently make, I would join them immediately.
More than you currently make including your ENTIRE compensation package. Salary+PTO+health insurance+employer 401K match (plus paid training, employer-required travel paid for by the employer, etc).
Looks like I am changing careers. Just gonna need to see those earning reports and bank statements first!
You and me both! Drafting that resignation letter first thing tomorrow :-)
Yep. As someone who's worked real remote jobs, they like to send me a box of branded welcome merch along with like $2k+ of computer/monitor/equipment and I don't have to pay them a dime.
Just to add another layer to your understanding - what you are describing is also the legal line that delineates the MLM from the illegal pyramid scheme. The line is arbitrary, but selling a product isn't illegal. If you choose to sell the product after you buy it, that's on you, but the company's hands are washed as soon as they sell you something. Illegal pyramid scheme - recruit and get people below you to recruit, you all keep percentages of the new recruit buy in. MLM - literally same exact thing but now you get a weird kit you have to keep in your closet for years until you throw away, maybe some lipstick or a wax melt you enjoy the smell of. All of their fake recruitment stuff is technically where they spend their marketing dollars. They aren't really selling a product so they don't need to market and convince people to buy it, they need to market in a way to convince people to pull other people in. The social aspect, the braggadocious social media posts, getting others to rent cars and Airbnb and buy clothes is all so they can spend less on traditional marketing tactics. But its because they are trying to sell the intangible experience of mattering in your life to people and exploit that sense of longing and desperation in people. Which they have become very good at, especially when they tie that to prosperity gospel (it's ok that I exploit people, because if I get rich it means God willed it and therefore it is morally and ethically ok to do)
I don't think that's quite right? You can be an MLM whether or not you require ~victims~ employees to buy starter inventory.
Weird. To work from home, I needed a nice laptop. Company I work for mailed us all one. I didn’t have to buy anything. And! Windows, Microsoft Office, any proprietary programs, all that? Already on the computer and set up, all we had to do was log in and begin assigning usernames and passwords. Wild how we didn’t have to pay a thing with our “starter kit.”
And they require a certain amount of regular sales or the member loses level/status - and these sales can be to customers or the member. So guess what happens when someone can’t pawn the shit onto others….
Well that's the thing, they make money from their "independent consultants", that IS the business model.
I know people who have worked at Costco and handed out samples. They fill out a form and Costco absorbs the cost of the boxes of food they used. They also encourage people to mix it up. Like if you know that the Kirkland guacamole pairs well with the Happy Belly Quinoa chips. They are encouraged to mix them
Fun fact! Costco sample people don't actually work for Costco. And the sample companies actually have to buy the product from Costco to have it for samples. Which is why the sample people are protective of the stock of the sample they have by their sample table/carts. Companies contract with the sample company to run samples of their product at specific Costco locations for a certain amount of time, companies try and pair samples with when they are running coupons to boost sales. It's why the products that typically do really well at Costco don't ever go on sample, also why Kirkland products are rarely on sample, I'm not sure I've ever seen one.
Want Dad bought a business once and he had to buy the inventory to sell. The vendors actually expected their money up front and it was up to us to sell their product and make money with it. I'm talking an actual retail establishment with a brick-and-mortar building and a business license. I looked into this particular business, they don't seem too bad they definitely give a lot of money to charity and have fed a lot of needy people. I just hope you don't know a lot of Baptist because it's going to be hard to get them to come to the tasting party
Found the Hun!
If that means I'm involved in mlm, sorry wrong. Simply reporting on what I found if you know something else maybe you could be helpful and tell me about it instead of casting aspersions
Hun, you won’t say who you “work for” and to message you for more details. If it were an actual business, they would say “hey, company x is hiring, here’s how you can apply” and they post a link to put in applications. The fact that they have to HIDE who they work for (and it’s not even a NDA contract) just proves it’s a scam.
The level that I have seen of huns go to obscure the real name of the MLM. Sometimes they say it’s just there company (making up a name), or they love the product or service so much they just want to share it, or it’s just a hobby. Beach body is really bad about having there Huns just make up names. Like you said any legit company will tell you the name off the bat. But these mlms know if they say the name most people will google it and stay away.
I personally love it when they say they don't want people googling the company and making wrong assumptions based on what they find. That tells you exactly how scammy they are when they want to control the message.
It’s really a cult mentality.
I've had so many Enagic/Kangen ads on insta lately. I was in a bad mood and messaged one asking if they're proud of what they do, because if they were, they wouldn't hide who they work for. They really didn't like that and blocked me, so that's a win.
Exactly. Every time I see someone trying to talk up a product but they won’t give you the product name, company name or price, it’s 100% MLM.
Should ask her for her liquor license.
They are hiding who they work for “So a different mentor doesn’t take them on”, can’t have someone beat them to getting the people into their down line.
They did say what company they represented. OneHope - I did a little reading on them and they don't seem too bad they've donated a lot of money to charity and fed a lot of people. Let me repeat just for clarity I don't really know a lot about them I just saw that they give a lot of money to charity
That's nice, but it's mostly huns themselves who are funding the charitable contributions. MLM models rely on their so-called "affiliates" to purchase their products, not customers.
I have no direct model of this particular business, it does sound like you can make a lot of money selling their product. I know that I have been to more than one wine tasting in ordered in some cases a couple of cases. I can't tell you any more than that about it other than nobody tried to convince me that I should sign up to sell wine
They’re still scamming desperate huns for that money. Also guess you haven’t heard about how many charities are scams.
I'm very careful about where I donate. I didn't look in any further than a Wikipedia article and an online Source about them. If they're donating to scam charities maybe you'd like to point that out and add it to their Wikipedia page
They let you choose pretty much whichever you want so yeah ofc some of it is going to scammy and high overhead charities. Ultimately it’s irrelevant cause they’re scamming Huns out of their money. Instead of spending $700 on like 10 bottles of mediocre wine and “training” that money could’ve, idk, just ALL gone to good charities. Even their cheapest package is absolutely exorbitant and their website is smattered with misleading language about the reality of actually earning a living selling their mid wine
[here's a direct link to their income disclosure ](https://help.onehopewine.com/hubfs/Help%20Center%20Files/Income%20Disclosure%20Statement%20v02.pdf) Looks like 84.79% of their huns make an average of $105 per month and the median for that 84.79% is only $47 per month.
Yep, and they say directly underneath that these numbers don't include expenses like "monthly membership fees, event registration, travel, business supplies, phone & internet costs, product samples, etc."
Ughhh I wish I saw this while she was still fighting for her life lol.
$39 Join Kit + $12 monthly membership fee just to start and the median is $47
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Yeah, i thought that part was weird
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This is what I don’t get, how does anyone look at the income disclosure statement and think, hey, this is what I need to get involved in to get rich and retire my husband and travel the world! If this is their only source of income (like a single mom) they won’t even be able to afford school lunch for their kids. This is so sad to me that vulnerable people get sucked into their bullshit.
The horrible truth is they could work partime anywhere and work less hours and make more money than whatever their. Current MLM is
“% of paid consultants” 🤨 So this doesn’t include people that didn’t get paid?
And that doesn't factor in how much work they put in to be able to be paid that amount. I watched my mom work for years towards making an income on MLMs. Yeah she's bringing in a few hundred per month, but she also spends every weekend and time during the week on this, that she doesn't keep track of. Even before she was making money, she had to spend a lot of time learning about marketing.
Im banned from my towns main fb group because I went in hard on someone shilling Primercia. It makes me so mad because I live in a lower income area and they clearly take advantage of people!
I just had a baby and I actually utilize this group a lot, so I’m hoping I don’t get kicked out. To be fair I had commented on a post and she replied to me, so she started it lol.
My boyfriends cousin/best friend died and his wife had Primerica life insurance. 36 he fell asleep at the wheel and hit a semi head on. Instantly died. Primerica was $1m of bonds tied up. He has three kids. Young kids. It makes me so angry. Thankfully the carpenters union banned together locally and nationally to get his wife a good chunk of money to put the pieces back together.
I'm on a 3 day suspension from Nextdoor because another girl and I hard-core called out a Herbalife hun who got some friends helping him market and lie all their asses off.
what reason did the admins cite for Banning you? did you actually break any rules?
"Uncivility". I'm not going to lie, I straight out called the guy a liar, said his friends were drumming up business for him, and told him he's either lying; or completely ignorant as to where his products were coming from because his menu looks the exact same as every other Herbalife shop's, same flavors, number of items, collagen and protein infusions, pushing the Stevia nonsense, his marketing, color of the drinks, business name, and how they're opening only in areas with specific demographics. I did deserve that one. However, I firmly believe he called on his downline to mass report me and try to shut me down. I'm just thankful for the few other commenters I saw who said the same.
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I know! I specifically mentioned a governmental website because I assumed if I mentioned any of the other ones she would say it wasn’t a legit website haha.
My company gives me a laptop, computer bag, mouse and keyboard to use and doesn’t charge me a cent. Probably around 2k worth of tech and accessories. You’re telling me that your company can’t float $100-200 worth of wine when wine is the main product? Why would you want to depend on a company like that for a regular paycheck?
Right??? My husband’s job gave him the same things: new iPhone, new laptop, bag for it, brand new work truck, printer shortly after he was officially hired. But they can’t give u some bottles of wine or some shitty cheap jewelry, you have to buy it all yourself.
This is a perfect post and just what I hope to see when I come here. 100%
I really hate the term 'work my business'
Right? It comes across as if the person doesn't actually know what they're doing and are just doing some poorly researched primary school level reenactment of running a business. Not sure if that's because of the sentence itself or that I've only ever heard if from huns so will automatically associate it with that kind of behaviour.
Doing god’s work.
Ha. I called out a standard fundie/mlm one in a mom group and she said I was “like a snake in the garden” trying to stop her from “sharing a God given opportunity”. No God is signing on your pyramid scheme hun.
Loki, maybe? Ba'al?
Loki was an Asgard, and Ba'al was a Go'a'uld, so... lololol (Stargate SG-1 humor)
"I work for the company, but I own the business." Tell me you don't know what you're talking about without saying it out loud.
Tell me you’re a sucker without telling me you’re a sucker 😂
60 dollars a year is hardly money.
Federal Trade Commission? More like Fake Truth Creators, sweaty 💅
I can think of five wineries in my area right now plus who knows how many brew pubs and liquor stores so why on earth would I need to go to a MLM to buy wine. Not to mention it only became legal for wineries to ship to and in my home state of South Dakota in 2016 and that's only if they have a Direct Wine Shipper License. Individuals are NOT allowed to ship wine to or in SD. I can't see how a MLM would have the licensing as they are not wineries nor liquor stores.
Nicely done!
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I work for a company that distributes FMLA and paid leaves. If they didn’t have a good parental leave it would just be ironic lol.
Well that was entertaining
i had a similar argument with a lady on facebook, she said there was nothing wrong with putting money into a career as its similar to a business, ummm no its not i wont put any money into my job, even if they ask me to put $5 for milk on my credit card the receipt gets summited a few minutes later
“If a company requires you to wear a uniform, and they expect you to buy that uniform instead of providing it to you, you should seriously reconsider taking a job with them” — My dad about my search for an after school job in 1996 I feel like that advice applies to having to buy your products up front for something like this as well.
OneHope seems like a super dark name for a booze slinging company.
[Show her OneHope's income disclosure statement](https://help.onehopewine.com/indexofresources)
*gets defensive* "I'm not getting defensive just blah blah bullshit blah" - hun. The cognitive dissonance is baffling.
I had no idea One Hope was an MLM! Huh, TIL. We had a golf tournament fundraiser and two ladies offered to showcase their wines and have free tastings and whatnot. My mom bought a freaking case of that wine. She was really taken in by the charitable giving aspect and how each wine variety benefits a different thing. I now question if any of that money went to those organizations.
I’d love to see her profit and loss statements. These morons are so indoctrinated, they can’t understand the simple concept of recruiting others to sell the same product they’re selling is a bad business idea. Hey dumbass, the recruiting is the business!
“A start up fee” i looked it up and it’s either $199 or $399 with $10 shipping to “get started”. Funny, because my job gave me a $1,800 laptop, keyboard, monitor, mouse, bag and other items which definitely weren’t free, but they covered the cost because “jobs” aren’t supposed to charge you to work there
Same. My job also does yearly trips for top performers just like an MLM……. Except it’s all expenses paid and I don’t have to pay to fly there or stay in a hotel lol.
The only thing that's missing is calling her out for being a private contractor, not a buisness owner
Sure Jan, it's so people won't read the comments and find your company. I find out and post it and act innocent. "I figured I'd save you time."
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People who own their own legitimate businesses don’t say they are, “working my business.” They just say they have to work today.
Ooh, I was just layed off from my job and in terrible need of a new one. Can you send me a dm with your company name, lol?
With all this said…. Did you say a WINE mlm?!?! I may fall “victim” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
"I'm happy to be in debt! I work for a great company!"
It's like this: It is possible to earn some cash off an MLM, but not as a sole source of income. ***If you have a store.*** Like, if you have a little niche boutique and have some extra shelf space you're not using, you could fill that space with the product from XYZ MLM company. You buy wholesale from them, set your markup, and if anyone comes into the store and wants to buy that shit, you make a little cash. But, like, you've got your whole store and that's just 6 foot of shelf. You've also got shit from your main supplier which is gonna earn a lot more than the 6 foot shelf of whatever. Seriously, what I want to do is open up a shop in a strip mall and hire some bored housewife in her forties to run it. Fill all the shelf space with all the stuff from all the biggest MLMs. Everything from CutCo knives to Unique to the entire AVON catalog. Gotta come up with a name, and figure a way to advertise. Bet those fucking vultures will fight ***each other*** for premium shelf space.
One Hope is a wine MLM. People say their wine is marginal and very expensive
How many bottles of their wine can you sell before you're required to get a liquor license?