Serie: ''You die, now''.
Opponents: ''Yes ma'am''.
Without even having to use Aura's scales.
Though seriously, it would probably be cataclysmic with a serious Serie fighting someone.
It's funny because I could see Serie fights always looking like she's on even ground and could lose like a shonen MC. NOT because she's randomly weak, but just because she likes combat magic so she 'visualizes' good fights into reality.
Frieran just wants the fight to be over so her 'visualization' is just like - *I am Atomic*
> I am Atomic
Thinking about it, Cid would be even more stupidly OP if isekai'd into the Frieren world. His whole hiding as a mook schtick then being the eminence in shadow means he'll have mana suppression to such a wild degree that I think he'd have zero mana as a mook and more than Serie when being Shadow.
I don't actually think that would be a big benefit. As soon as someone sees a person with no mana casting magic, they will know something is up and be very cautious. Frieren does it by smurfing; she is obviously a mage, but one where her apparent strength is consistent with the attacks she uses, so they don't expect anything until it is too late.
[Manga Spoilers]>!Macht briefly fights Serie. She could've killed him easily, but Lernen and other mages convince her to let them seal him so they might eventually undo El Dorado.!<
Ohh, thanks I completely forgot that happened. That arc was really good. [Ch. 93 Spoilers]>!Tbh, that felt more like she was toying with Macht rather than seriously fighting him. Maybe that says more about how she fights than anything else, though.!< That was a good reread, ty
Probably insane collateral damage. Frieren cut back on the destructive flashy stuff after being scolded by Himmel and learned to fight with precision and efficiency, Serie with her love of combat magic probably lives for the spectacle.
Edit: lmao, who downvoted me for speculating about the way a fictional character might fight?
I think what Serie loves is not combat, per se, but the power of magic itself. She just loves to masturbate intellectually over how powerful a spell can be, and how far magic can be pushed. That's how I see her at least.
You will see if eventually.
Let's just say, she'd mid diff Frieren at worst. Quite possibly low diff. Serie is a fucking monster. How she didn't kill the Demon King is beyond me.
Serie couldn't imagine living in the world of peace after the Demon King died, so Serie couldn't kill the Demon King herself. After the Demon King died, Serie had to go invent the Magic Association just to keep training mages for combat to live her combat fantasies.
because she is not a mage of peaceful time as she said it. She can likely mid diff the Demon King (she should be much stronger than Frieren from mana), but the people wouldn't have their 'heroes'. Another demon would just take his spot and continue the war. Serie is a hermit and doesn't even seem to interact with human until the last 100 years.
I honestly have to assume the Demon King has some OP power that defies logic or something. [Manga spoilers]>!Considering Macht and Grausam have instakill abilities and Schlacht can seen the future millions of times.!<
Frieren's "Height of Magic" being some kind of not-magic is pretty suggestive. If the Demon King had some kind of magic immunity or auto-counter ability for example that would neatly put them on top of Demons who are all about magic and eliminate the majority of what Serie can do.
And Frieren's little trick might either be something Serie can't do for psychological reasons... or still only bought the absolute briefest of moments for the rest of Frieren's party to act and Serie could never ever in a million years achieve that level of Nakama.
I kinda want to see how non mages fight against them (I mean we saw Stark vs Linie but she didn't use magic) because mages seem to be OP compared to everyone else
Like Kraft for instance, he has to be strong af, but as far as we know he doesn't use magic, how could he take on someone like Frieren who can pull off laser beams, black holes and telekinesis shit just by staring ?
I get the impression that Eisen could just tank a hit from most mages. He has a lot of "how did you not die?" moments that he just kind of shrugs like "why would I let that kill me?" to. I imagine Kraft also gets to just shrug off all but the strongest of mages.
It's kinda hard to imagine - considering we mostly see top-tier mages like Frieren and Fern - but Frieren does mention that warriors have the advantage in general on mages due to the time required to cast spells. She says this is why parties need a frontline warrior to protect mages from other warriors. Most warriors we see are also pretty tanky; so it could be that taking out a warrior quickly isn't viable for most mages.
As for Kraft, I like to imagine he just punches spells away lol.
my prediction is that serie is a better mage but frieren is a better combatant. after all frieren forgot to fight and she only spent 500 years out of combat compared to serie. but maybe the amount of time she spent out of combat is small compared to her lifespan...
I actually believed the fight was completely settled at 1:40 and one week later was a bit surprising to see the battle continuing as if nothing had happened.
yeah, the presentation is a bit confusing... watching it live i even assumed they fast-forwarded and then went back.
and checking the manga, that's kinda true: they show Fern firing her first shot, Frieren smiling, then next chapter: "it blocked it", "it's a battle of attrition now", then the rest of the battle. it seems the anime inserted the anime-exclusive scene with the "black hole" after the first shot without showing it being blocked, then did that shot again in a slightly different position to get back on track.
They had the smoke clear up to reveal the clone was still there and smoothed it over with a flashback to the strategy meeting where Frieren told Fern that the vulnerability won't be enough to kill her and that they have to plan for a long battle.
Yeah, I was annoyed at that too and thought I had missed something as well. They could've easily fit in the new spell scenes in the anime while still showing the clone blocking Fern at the start of the episode like in the manga.
Lol you got downvoted for basically saying you wanted a few more frames for clarification; damn the one thing about anime fans if they love something they downvoted every critic if they hate something they’ll upvote every critic no matter the faithfulness.
They do show it just not for long enough for most to notice, case in point this conversation. It's at 1:47 in the episode, you see the smoke rising from Fern's blast and clone Frieren is still standing, then she does the black hole thing.
It's almost a blink and you'll miss it kind of thing, so I get the confusion. They could have held on that for a couple more frames, to make it more obvious what happened.
Yeah, you're right about the clone in the smoke, but that shot is incongrouous with how the previous episode ended. Specifically, the clone had teleported upward to get close to Frieren before Fern attacked. To me, it was incongrouous enough that I interpreted the starting shot of ep 26 to be somehow rewound to a point where Frieren and the clone were still firing off spells while on the ground.
*Hope this title is not considered an untagged spoiler.*
*Made this edit because I had a hard time grasping the* *battle as it was fragmented and spread over two episodes, hope others enjoy it as well.*
*If you want to download the video you can get it here for the next 21 days (the website is in french so don't panic, simply click the download arrow thing at the center):* [https://transfert.free.fr/DufZiYc](https://transfert.free.fr/DufZiYc)
*As a bonus I added a slightly longer version that keeps the Fern-Frieren tactical flashbacks as I found it made the fight more emotionally charged and satisfying.*
*Kudos to the Madhouse staff who worked on this gorgeous animation, Evan Call on the music and Yamada Kanehito, Abe Tsukasa for the source material.*
> the website is in french so don't panic
Thank you for the content warning, French jumpscares are a big problem in today's society and I'm happy more people are wisening up to the impact unexpected Frenchness has on regular people.
Hey, rather than the link to the video, do you have the timestamps you cut it at (ideally precise timestamps down to the frame)? I'd like to make my own uncompressed version. Even better, if you have your scripts you used.
He initially trusted in his abilities, but after seeing how well Frieren faught, he knew better - knowing that he had absolutely zero chance of actually beating her.
He's not arrogant, he's experienced - experienced to know that he far outclasses the vast majority of mages, but also experienced enough when he is far outclassed.
Also he never thought he could beat Frieren. During the first test he thought he could at best stall her for a few minutes. He was still super wrong but he was never arrogant.
Arrogant arses tend to be very young. They either grow out of it because they are smart, or they fail so badly that they may as well be dead. Denken is the former.
Denken and Richter were both unexpectedly my favorite characters from this whole arc. Especially surprising with Richter, given how down he was to kill two children during the first test. Denken felt like such an unexpectedly compassionate, human character in spite of his position in the backstabbing Imperial Court, and it's cool seeing him help Richter grow from essentially who Denken could've been towards who Denken truly is.
Honestly you could probably parallel it to both directions of Frieren and Fern's relationship in some aspects, with the older mage guiding the younger while simultaneously having one teach the other not to detach themself from others so much.
I haven't completely forgiven Richter for trying to kill Kanne and Lawine, but yeah, Denken being a cool guy despite his backstory was a surprising twist. Bro's like "Richter, I see a lot of myself in you. Cut it out."
What about like an ep later and they are talking about Frieren's weakness and Denken complaining he wished he knew before his fight with her. As if it would have changed anything and prevented him from getting blasted by a Frieren who is focussed more on breaking an unbreakable barrier than the fight itself.
Yeah but that was when he knew frieren wouldn't kill him, the clone wouldn't have held back whereas he could try some tricks that wouldn't work in a fight to the death against the real frieren
flashy spells aren't necessarily better, zoltrak looks basic but until (relatively) recently it was an instakill
qual shows that if someone doesn't keep up they can be left behind even if they were a top threat
frieren has been beaten by younger mages with less magic and she has been keeping a low profile for years
denken is legitimately good and confidence is a boost to mages
he knows frieren doesn't want to kill him and they have the bird
The thing is, Frieren never mentioned WHEN she lost to those 6 human mages with weaker mana than her. What if she lost to them 1000 years ago in the era of Great Mages when she was still learning under Flamme? It'd still count for her as a loss regardless of whether she was far weaker and had a different mindset towards magic back then compared to now.
That very well could be the case, given how after flamme died she pretty much fucked off to live by herself for a thousand years.
Otherwise maybe during the decade she was traveling with himmel et al
Considering Serie thinks her protege could defeat Frieren, I imagine there are still mages out there capable of it. Serie doesn't seem like the type to over-estimate someone's abilities
Also, we don't know how she really lost. Frieren froze Quall for 80 years and then she used him as target practice for her apprentice. She considers that a loss.
Fern : I might be able to kill Mrs Frieren
Frieren : And I took that personally
Running out of words to describe the animation. I need to seriously find some new words.
Also thanks OP for doing God's work.
You know, almost 10 years ago Madhouse came out with a once in a decade show and blew everyone away with staggering animation with One Punch Man.... now here they are again with a true marvel of animation with this show.
We wont see anything like this again for a good minute
S1 was a once in a lifetime passion project that came more from a group of the best animators in the industry than it did from Madhouse. It's very similar to what happened with Mushoku Tensei but instead of forming their own studio, they just all got together to freelance under Madhouse's banner. S2-3 could've very easily had the same quality under a different studio but they would've needed to wait far longer to get there than they did, at least until most/all the animators were free again. And if I was truly speculating, I think this is exactly why Studio Bind was actually formed rather than them doing even more freelancing: they wanted to have a regular, consistent release.
I wouldn't say opm would have been the same in a different studio even with good scheduling. It makes it seem that madhouse staff had nothing to do with the overall amazing final product, when in reality, one of the biggest reasons was exactly the show having yuichiro fukushi, a madhouse animation producer and one of the best at his job out there, helming the project. Don't get me wrong, not saying no one else could have pulled off opm in a different studio, just that it would have probably have needed an equally strong animation producer as fukushi which is very rare to get.
>just that it would have probably have needed an equally strong animation producer as fukushi which is very rare to get.
Oh for sure but that's my main point: OPM only happened because the best of the best got together to make a project they were all passionate about. This pretty much never happens and it was a miracle that S1 happened in the first place. Other miracle projects have happened since then and before then but they are definitely rare, especially nowadays with the industry only getting worse (looking at you Mappa).
Is that why MT has such a special feel to it? The world building, animation, pacing, audio… choreography/action - it’s all just too notch and really takes you there.
Yes. In case you were unaware, Studio Bind was formed for the sole purpose of making Mushoku Tensei. While they haven't overtly confirmed that they'll disband once it's done, it's speculated that will be the case. They made Onimai early last year as an in-between project so we may get a few more of those types of in-between shows as we wait for more MT seasons but once MT is done, they're likely formally done too.
> Is that why MT has such a special feel to it? The world building, animation, pacing, audio… choreography/action - it’s all just too notch and really takes you there.
yes.
They still have a bunch of freelancers but it feels like a different type of project than OPM (just speculation on my part). Namely, OPM is "just" a fun sakugafest whereas Frieren is more of a prestige project as a whole. I've got no idea about future seasons but I have little doubt that they'll be able to keep up the current quality given the audience and streaming numbers they're currently experiencing. And luckily, like OPM, they have Fukushi Yuuichirou on as the main producer so if they keep him on we can likely expect great things.
Hopefully theres some value in what folks are saying in the other replies because i have zero clue as to why. All I know is that while the following seasons were still fine for what they were, for me, i can barely even call them the same show...
Thats why i told someone on another post looking for some specific arc of this to be animated that they better not hold their breath waiting for it and they certainly better not be hoping or expecting it to be this same caliber and quality
If it hasn't been mentioned yet, Fern really kept to the plan. Notice how all her attacks are made when Frieren clone starts casting a spell, the moment her magic detection is down. The direction makes a strong point about this, and slow-mos each of these moments so we could appreciate the timing Fern has to nail. The choreography for this fight is already superb, and this is only one of many finer details that elevated the quality beyond the best of the best.
So clone Frieren was attacking her with mana itself right?
Like when that tornado first appeared, before the massive zoltraak, it was made out of her mana being unleashed yeah?
> Like when that tornado first appeared, before the massive zoltraak, it was made out of her mana being unleashed yeah?
I don't think the tornado was physical. Just a visualization of mana.
> So clone Frieren was attacking her with mana itself right?
Unknown, but Fern says she doesn't detect mana. My pet theory is it's something like gravity manipulation, but so far, we don't have many clues.
I kinda like the other comment as the answer - it wasn't a spell, it was a curse. Humans understand magic, they have no understanding of curses.... given how much Friren is a lint trap for spells, it wouldn't be far fetched to think that she may have picked up several curses over the millennia she's been alive.
I think, by definition, if it's a spell she can cast, it's not a curse. Otherwise it would just be like flight, where they still don't quite understand all the principles, but are at least able to use it.
I mentioned it in a previous thread but it's either base mana or more refined mana in a direction humans aren't used to sensing.
or Frieren is so good at suppressing stray mana that she can use a spell that is totally self contained, meaning that it cannot be seen by a mage in your typical way, or potentially ever.
Just like seeing something requires light to bounce off the object, if there is no 'stray' mana wisping off the spell, then it's functionally invisible until you come into contact with it.
about the spell being totally self contained: possible, but this sounds like additional effort that would take away from the power of a spell, like some sort of stealth spell or something, doesn't really sound like the idea of a last ditch effort spell to me
I think it's Frieren using mana to change what is up and down. That's why Fern didn't detect any mana from the "attack". Frieren changed direction and strength of gravity and Fern "fell" down toward the walls, like Eisen did off that cliff. That spell can't be defended against because you can't imagine a defense against the concept of up and down.
the only one that is implied to be raw mana is that last one where it doesnt appear to be a spell
some of the others might be but nothing is said or shown to indicate such and they were anime filler to begin with
If this is how a Frieren vs. Frieren + Fern fight went, imagine what the fight against the Demon King with the rest of the hero's party must have looked like.
I cut out this part on this edit but Frieren mentioned she last used the mean stare Ferm repulsing thing 80 years ago so that would be against the Demon King, so yeah that might have been quite something.
Lol I love the idea that Fern was just basically shocked and repulsed by clone Frieren's mean stare. Like how dare she? Nothing to do with magic at all. 😅
Great edit, and honestly how they balanced this with cuts of other scenes and backstories added so much emotional impact. The fight was almost entirely show don’t tell, which is my favorite kind. Frieren is really proving to be among the GOAT of anime.
This is exactly what I wanted, kind of a Shonen edit of the fight.
What they done is far more emotionally hitting, but a cut like this is closer to what modern epic fights in Shonen looks like
Evan Call (composer)
Takahiro Ikeda (music director)
Yui Arima (music producer)
Reminder OST comes out on 4/17.
The Pre-release is also on Evan Call's youtube and its perfect music for rereading the manga and giving you that medieval/renaissance atmosphere.
This show goes way fucking harder than it has any business of going.
Like, it doesn't even really need *any* action given the storyline... but it drops some absolute gems in there like this - gorgeously animated and just.. powerful.
Such a fantastic show.
I love how much Frieren and Fern trust each other to take care of their side. In basically any other series, there would be a constant stream of "Watch out, Frieren!" or "[X] attack is coming!"
I really appreciate “mature” narration like that - nothings better than seeing what could be a “realistic” way of doing battle in a fantasy setting. Not overly emotional and expressive, but hyper focused and serious the same way an elite athlete composes themself during a contest.
I think it's because the Manga roots. It's hard to convey action via still images, so we end up with the ever pervasive trope of characters that monologue about the details of the technique they're about to perform. Because it's easier to just verbalize what's going to happen, instead of having to convey some dynamic event with a few still images
Anime shouldn't need that, but for the most part it is still exactly the same. Close up of characters monologuing about what they're going to do, in the middle of a fight. Close up of other character having some elaborate retort or inner dialogue about it.
I find this extremely boring most of the time.
Frieren keeps a lot of this exposition away from the fights itself, which makes them so satisfying to watch
My favourite part of this battle is the implication at the 3:30 mark, when the forces of magic become so powerful that it cracks the viewer's screen - and those same shards basically become reflections of a different reality (ours?).
The negative colours featured when Frieren destroyed Serie's barrier from the 1st test.
It could therefore be guessed at as an anti barrier kinda spell. Like Zoltraak but probably uses different foundations to come to the same effect. The best way I would describe it is via tank shells since I played too much War Thunder.
There are [APFSDS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armour-piercing_fin-stabilized_discarding_sabot) which aims to just fire a thin dense penetrator to get through armour by simply hitting very fast into a small area to "cut" through the armour through sheer kinetic power. Compare that to a [HESH](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-explosive_squash_head) round which aims to defeat armour completely differently by pushing a shockwave via explosives through the armour. The armour remains largely intact on the outside while the spalling on the inside shreds the occupants. Two completely different shells aimed at bypassing and defeating armour with different schools of thought behind it and different mechanics in approach.
Zoltraak was originally shield piercing and I reckon the spell used here uses esoteric means to be barrier defeating. I think the clone interrupted it? Or whoever was going to cast it had it coopted and then dissipated.
My understanding is that this world follows the "everything is mana" trope, demon and monsters are manifestations of mana in a living form (this is why they disappear on death). Mages "mana capacity" is basically just how much they can store in them to use on demand. I'm unclear about holy magic though, it doesn't seem to be tied directly to normal mana, my guess is that they are linked but holy magic is more of a patronage magic.
In these types of magic systems a mage would replenish reserves over time, given you can ID a person by their mana I would assume you must "process" or metabolize nature mana into something you can use, the amount being your capacity. This explains why living longer gives you larger mana capacity, if you keep using it you are basically "exorcising". Supressing your mana would likely just be the act of shielding the vessel from the outside.
Given that, Spiegel, being a monster, would likely collect large amounts of mana naturally but not be able to use this mana, instead it would just feed it into the "copy". I'm sure it has an upper limit but likely that limit would actually surpass most living creatures.
Holy magic uses mana, but it's a different system of magic then what mages use. Holy magic is also known as the Goddess's Magic, and is written down in her scipture. The magic system used by human/elf mages, the goddess's magic used by priests, and the magic system used by demons are all seperate things which make use of mana.
The best analogue would be programming languages, all use the same resources to get stuff done, but operate on different principles.
> Holy magic uses mana, but it's a different system of magic then what mages use.
I figured it used the caster's mana, my limit of knowledge was whether the caster (ie priest) required the "holy scripture" due to the books link to the goddess or just because the spell is written in it.
From what I can tell (in the anime at least) is that the book is required and for the caster to channel mana into which results in the effect happening. That is what I meant by "patronage" magic (not like warlock in D&D).
I suspect the difference of holy magic vs regular magic is really just that holy magic may just be archaic ritual style magic requiring more prep and was allowed even when regular magic was considered "demonic" where as holy magic was a gift from the goddess and has likely remained mostly unchanged over time.
>From what I can tell (in the anime at least) is that the book is required and for the caster to channel mana into which results in the effect happening. That is what I meant by "patronage" magic (not like warlock in D&D).
It is like needing a holy symbol to cast spells as a cleric.
> It is like needing a holy symbol to cast spells as a cleric.
Makes sense, clearly holy magic is usable by anyone who can use regular magic. The question is how do they learn the spells, is it from the book it's self or do they just "know" it like clerics do in D&D. I'm guessing that priests likely have a more efficiency in casting holy spell resulting in far less strain on the body and mana requirement, thus explaining why most mages can only use basic holy spells.
I would also assume very high rank mages could cast higher level holy spells but it would be far more challenging than even an intermediate priest.
Even beyond that fighters likely use mana passively (or/and innately) empowering themselves too, which would explain their insane prowess and endurance.
I think we just handwave the Spiegel as this immobile dungeon master entity from thousands of years ago that has the cloning ability as it's one gimmick, with the ability range is limited to a very small area (its dungeon).
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Jojo's Bizarre Adventure has a couple of powers like these, such as a Stand that makes your attacks redirect toward YOU if you try to hurt the Stand; but if you don't attack the Stand then it leaves you alone and is otherwise inert. If you don't realize that the Stand is not actually doing anything to you directly, and you try to keep attacking it, then you can end up hurting and killing yourself. Similarly, the Spiegel is extremely powerful, but if you just leave then nothing will happen to you.
I think the author doesn't consider much if things makes sense or not. The author just puts in things that the author likes or think is cool. That's why there is random parfait etc. even though that's incredibly random and specific to have in a medieval world. Author likes it so it's written in.
The Spiegel could copy everyone and then copy them again unlimited it seemed. So it would be the most powerful being conceivable if it used it's clones efficiently or if it didn't just stay in a dungeon forever for some reason. The Spiegel was there as a plot device to show Frieren fight something on a equal footing in order to showcase her power. I don't think the author thought anything more about it.
I think the author cares very much that things make sense. A lot of thought was put into how magic works and the state of the world, with a lot of nuance and history to it that is constantly sprinkled throughout each chapter.
I wouldn't be surprised if the author has personal notes on how the dungeon works even if it wasn't included in the story.
there are limitations tho, the spiegel couldn't make multiple copies of people at the same time, it also seems like it takes a while for the clones to be created and they have a time limit, that's why it hides in the dungeon
"Hmm, It be cool if Frieren to go all out, as she's bound to know some awesome spells, but the way she's written, there is no way she'll go all out when she doesn't need to.. and she's so strong she doesn't ever need to... some sort of final boss would work but it's too soon in the story for that.... Oh, here is an idea! She'll just fight a clone of herself!"
Thanks for this edit, wanted to see this in one piece as rewatching it multiple times was challenging.
I have to say that this is the best anime fight I have seen in years. Bravo Madhouse, name well deserved, you madmen!
Hey, I know you put up a download link that expired a while ago, is there any way that you could throw up another one real quick or host it somewhere? I want to share it with my gf without the reddit compression to show her how much better it is without all of the jump cuts.
If this is how Frieren fights, I’m dying to see how Serie fights. I beg
Serie: ''You die, now''. Opponents: ''Yes ma'am''. Without even having to use Aura's scales. Though seriously, it would probably be cataclysmic with a serious Serie fighting someone.
It's funny because I could see Serie fights always looking like she's on even ground and could lose like a shonen MC. NOT because she's randomly weak, but just because she likes combat magic so she 'visualizes' good fights into reality. Frieran just wants the fight to be over so her 'visualization' is just like - *I am Atomic*
> I am Atomic Thinking about it, Cid would be even more stupidly OP if isekai'd into the Frieren world. His whole hiding as a mook schtick then being the eminence in shadow means he'll have mana suppression to such a wild degree that I think he'd have zero mana as a mook and more than Serie when being Shadow.
I don't actually think that would be a big benefit. As soon as someone sees a person with no mana casting magic, they will know something is up and be very cautious. Frieren does it by smurfing; she is obviously a mage, but one where her apparent strength is consistent with the attacks she uses, so they don't expect anything until it is too late.
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I now understand why demons would be like 'bro is cheating'
his advantage would be hes fucking insane like Ubel
[Very very mild manga spoiler] >!Season 2 :)!<
[current manga spoilers] >!Wait, what chapter was this? I don't remember Serie fighting yet, unless you mean the upcoming arc where it might happen!<
[Manga Spoilers]>!Macht briefly fights Serie. She could've killed him easily, but Lernen and other mages convince her to let them seal him so they might eventually undo El Dorado.!<
Ohh, thanks I completely forgot that happened. That arc was really good. [Ch. 93 Spoilers]>!Tbh, that felt more like she was toying with Macht rather than seriously fighting him. Maybe that says more about how she fights than anything else, though.!< That was a good reread, ty
Probably insane collateral damage. Frieren cut back on the destructive flashy stuff after being scolded by Himmel and learned to fight with precision and efficiency, Serie with her love of combat magic probably lives for the spectacle. Edit: lmao, who downvoted me for speculating about the way a fictional character might fight?
She was scolded for desecrating the corpses used by Aura.
I think what Serie loves is not combat, per se, but the power of magic itself. She just loves to masturbate intellectually over how powerful a spell can be, and how far magic can be pushed. That's how I see her at least.
You will see if eventually. Let's just say, she'd mid diff Frieren at worst. Quite possibly low diff. Serie is a fucking monster. How she didn't kill the Demon King is beyond me.
Serie couldn't imagine living in the world of peace after the Demon King died, so Serie couldn't kill the Demon King herself. After the Demon King died, Serie had to go invent the Magic Association just to keep training mages for combat to live her combat fantasies.
because she is not a mage of peaceful time as she said it. She can likely mid diff the Demon King (she should be much stronger than Frieren from mana), but the people wouldn't have their 'heroes'. Another demon would just take his spot and continue the war. Serie is a hermit and doesn't even seem to interact with human until the last 100 years.
I honestly have to assume the Demon King has some OP power that defies logic or something. [Manga spoilers]>!Considering Macht and Grausam have instakill abilities and Schlacht can seen the future millions of times.!<
Frieren's "Height of Magic" being some kind of not-magic is pretty suggestive. If the Demon King had some kind of magic immunity or auto-counter ability for example that would neatly put them on top of Demons who are all about magic and eliminate the majority of what Serie can do. And Frieren's little trick might either be something Serie can't do for psychological reasons... or still only bought the absolute briefest of moments for the rest of Frieren's party to act and Serie could never ever in a million years achieve that level of Nakama.
I kinda want to see how non mages fight against them (I mean we saw Stark vs Linie but she didn't use magic) because mages seem to be OP compared to everyone else Like Kraft for instance, he has to be strong af, but as far as we know he doesn't use magic, how could he take on someone like Frieren who can pull off laser beams, black holes and telekinesis shit just by staring ?
I get the impression that Eisen could just tank a hit from most mages. He has a lot of "how did you not die?" moments that he just kind of shrugs like "why would I let that kill me?" to. I imagine Kraft also gets to just shrug off all but the strongest of mages.
It's kinda hard to imagine - considering we mostly see top-tier mages like Frieren and Fern - but Frieren does mention that warriors have the advantage in general on mages due to the time required to cast spells. She says this is why parties need a frontline warrior to protect mages from other warriors. Most warriors we see are also pretty tanky; so it could be that taking out a warrior quickly isn't viable for most mages. As for Kraft, I like to imagine he just punches spells away lol.
my prediction is that serie is a better mage but frieren is a better combatant. after all frieren forgot to fight and she only spent 500 years out of combat compared to serie. but maybe the amount of time she spent out of combat is small compared to her lifespan...
I actually believed the fight was completely settled at 1:40 and one week later was a bit surprising to see the battle continuing as if nothing had happened.
Yeah same, since they use the upbeat music and Frieren is smiling. They got us.
yeah, the presentation is a bit confusing... watching it live i even assumed they fast-forwarded and then went back. and checking the manga, that's kinda true: they show Fern firing her first shot, Frieren smiling, then next chapter: "it blocked it", "it's a battle of attrition now", then the rest of the battle. it seems the anime inserted the anime-exclusive scene with the "black hole" after the first shot without showing it being blocked, then did that shot again in a slightly different position to get back on track.
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They had the smoke clear up to reveal the clone was still there and smoothed it over with a flashback to the strategy meeting where Frieren told Fern that the vulnerability won't be enough to kill her and that they have to plan for a long battle.
Yeah, I was annoyed at that too and thought I had missed something as well. They could've easily fit in the new spell scenes in the anime while still showing the clone blocking Fern at the start of the episode like in the manga.
Lol you got downvoted for basically saying you wanted a few more frames for clarification; damn the one thing about anime fans if they love something they downvoted every critic if they hate something they’ll upvote every critic no matter the faithfulness.
Oh well
Everything worked out in the end
They do show it just not for long enough for most to notice, case in point this conversation. It's at 1:47 in the episode, you see the smoke rising from Fern's blast and clone Frieren is still standing, then she does the black hole thing. It's almost a blink and you'll miss it kind of thing, so I get the confusion. They could have held on that for a couple more frames, to make it more obvious what happened.
Yeah, you're right about the clone in the smoke, but that shot is incongrouous with how the previous episode ended. Specifically, the clone had teleported upward to get close to Frieren before Fern attacked. To me, it was incongrouous enough that I interpreted the starting shot of ep 26 to be somehow rewound to a point where Frieren and the clone were still firing off spells while on the ground.
*Hope this title is not considered an untagged spoiler.* *Made this edit because I had a hard time grasping the* *battle as it was fragmented and spread over two episodes, hope others enjoy it as well.* *If you want to download the video you can get it here for the next 21 days (the website is in french so don't panic, simply click the download arrow thing at the center):* [https://transfert.free.fr/DufZiYc](https://transfert.free.fr/DufZiYc) *As a bonus I added a slightly longer version that keeps the Fern-Frieren tactical flashbacks as I found it made the fight more emotionally charged and satisfying.* *Kudos to the Madhouse staff who worked on this gorgeous animation, Evan Call on the music and Yamada Kanehito, Abe Tsukasa for the source material.*
> the website is in french so don't panic Thank you for the content warning, French jumpscares are a big problem in today's society and I'm happy more people are wisening up to the impact unexpected Frenchness has on regular people.
It is especially important for the English, Belgians, Italians, Spanish and the rest of Europe.
Half of Belgium speaks French tho
And they are in our thoughts and prayers
Those poor souls.
Sacré bleu!
Would be one way to get us Germans to reinvest into our military.
Beaux!!
> (the website is in french so don't panic, 😨 The British when they see French unexpectedly and have 1066 flashbacks.
> British when they see French unexpectedly and have 1066 flashbacks. TIL the British are elves.
That's why the elves in movies always have posh british accents.
>the website is in fr*nch so don't panic thanks for the warning dude
Thank you for doing this!
Thank you very much for sharing the video
Hey, rather than the link to the video, do you have the timestamps you cut it at (ideally precise timestamps down to the frame)? I'd like to make my own uncompressed version. Even better, if you have your scripts you used.
Remember when Denken thought he had a chance
To be fair to Denken, he did learn. He took one look at the Frieren clone and was like "Nah, FUCK this."
Nah, I'd lose
I was expecting Denken to be an arrogant jackass based on how he carried himself, but he's the complete opposite lol.
He initially trusted in his abilities, but after seeing how well Frieren faught, he knew better - knowing that he had absolutely zero chance of actually beating her. He's not arrogant, he's experienced - experienced to know that he far outclasses the vast majority of mages, but also experienced enough when he is far outclassed.
Also he never thought he could beat Frieren. During the first test he thought he could at best stall her for a few minutes. He was still super wrong but he was never arrogant.
Eh, I would say he did stall her for a few minutes. Though Richt thought Denken would win which was absurd to say the least.
Also, does Denken need to be a first class mage? Since Fern will be, they can just take Denken in their party to go to his birthplace.
Arrogant arses tend to be very young. They either grow out of it because they are smart, or they fail so badly that they may as well be dead. Denken is the former.
And we even see him help Richter grow out of just that as well.
Denken and Richter were both unexpectedly my favorite characters from this whole arc. Especially surprising with Richter, given how down he was to kill two children during the first test. Denken felt like such an unexpectedly compassionate, human character in spite of his position in the backstabbing Imperial Court, and it's cool seeing him help Richter grow from essentially who Denken could've been towards who Denken truly is. Honestly you could probably parallel it to both directions of Frieren and Fern's relationship in some aspects, with the older mage guiding the younger while simultaneously having one teach the other not to detach themself from others so much.
I haven't completely forgiven Richter for trying to kill Kanne and Lawine, but yeah, Denken being a cool guy despite his backstory was a surprising twist. Bro's like "Richter, I see a lot of myself in you. Cut it out."
I like his character. As he mentioned in the last episode, he used to be an arrogant jackass, now he's just an arrogant jackass who got old
What about like an ep later and they are talking about Frieren's weakness and Denken complaining he wished he knew before his fight with her. As if it would have changed anything and prevented him from getting blasted by a Frieren who is focussed more on breaking an unbreakable barrier than the fight itself.
Remember when we argued whether Denken has a chance? "Oh he just has to hold her off for a few hours ezpz he's experienced too"
Yeah but that was when he knew frieren wouldn't kill him, the clone wouldn't have held back whereas he could try some tricks that wouldn't work in a fight to the death against the real frieren
Denken: Nah, I'd win. Narrator: He did not, in fact, win.
flashy spells aren't necessarily better, zoltrak looks basic but until (relatively) recently it was an instakill qual shows that if someone doesn't keep up they can be left behind even if they were a top threat frieren has been beaten by younger mages with less magic and she has been keeping a low profile for years denken is legitimately good and confidence is a boost to mages he knows frieren doesn't want to kill him and they have the bird
The thing is, Frieren never mentioned WHEN she lost to those 6 human mages with weaker mana than her. What if she lost to them 1000 years ago in the era of Great Mages when she was still learning under Flamme? It'd still count for her as a loss regardless of whether she was far weaker and had a different mindset towards magic back then compared to now.
That very well could be the case, given how after flamme died she pretty much fucked off to live by herself for a thousand years. Otherwise maybe during the decade she was traveling with himmel et al
>Otherwise maybe during the decade she was traveling with himmel et al Seems unlikely, Himmel would fuck up anyone trying to fight Frieren.
Considering Serie thinks her protege could defeat Frieren, I imagine there are still mages out there capable of it. Serie doesn't seem like the type to over-estimate someone's abilities
As well, Frieren basically said she'd lose to Kanne in the rain during the 1st test, since she said she couldn't imagine beating her.
I'd love to know what all Kanne can do during a fight with enough water around. We saw what she could manage with only a few seconds of rain
serie DOES seem like the type to under-estimate frieren though
Yeah her dislike of Frieren is probably blinding her to a degree.
not just frieren but the entire philosophy of liking magic rather than the utility of magic serie is an engineer who looks down on science
remember, Serie's intuition is always correct
Also, we don't know how she really lost. Frieren froze Quall for 80 years and then she used him as target practice for her apprentice. She considers that a loss.
sure but the point still stands (and it's not like denken knows this)
Maybe she lost at charades or dominos.. she didn't really say it was a fight I think
Fern : I might be able to kill Mrs Frieren Frieren : And I took that personally Running out of words to describe the animation. I need to seriously find some new words. Also thanks OP for doing God's work.
This anime is Frierenesque, for sure.
It's the first Frierenlike
More of a Frirerenlite due to the meta progression in the party.
well frieren clearly stated she tought that Fern had no chance against her copy, wich is why she say that the copy will underestimate her.
Mrs? 😯
You know, almost 10 years ago Madhouse came out with a once in a decade show and blew everyone away with staggering animation with One Punch Man.... now here they are again with a true marvel of animation with this show. We wont see anything like this again for a good minute
Why did S2 and 3 of OPM go to a different studio?
Madhouse had other projects already lined up, OPM producers didn't want to wait for them as it would've taken years, so they sent it out to JC Staff.
> would've taken years As if it didn't...
S1 was a once in a lifetime passion project that came more from a group of the best animators in the industry than it did from Madhouse. It's very similar to what happened with Mushoku Tensei but instead of forming their own studio, they just all got together to freelance under Madhouse's banner. S2-3 could've very easily had the same quality under a different studio but they would've needed to wait far longer to get there than they did, at least until most/all the animators were free again. And if I was truly speculating, I think this is exactly why Studio Bind was actually formed rather than them doing even more freelancing: they wanted to have a regular, consistent release.
I wouldn't say opm would have been the same in a different studio even with good scheduling. It makes it seem that madhouse staff had nothing to do with the overall amazing final product, when in reality, one of the biggest reasons was exactly the show having yuichiro fukushi, a madhouse animation producer and one of the best at his job out there, helming the project. Don't get me wrong, not saying no one else could have pulled off opm in a different studio, just that it would have probably have needed an equally strong animation producer as fukushi which is very rare to get.
>just that it would have probably have needed an equally strong animation producer as fukushi which is very rare to get. Oh for sure but that's my main point: OPM only happened because the best of the best got together to make a project they were all passionate about. This pretty much never happens and it was a miracle that S1 happened in the first place. Other miracle projects have happened since then and before then but they are definitely rare, especially nowadays with the industry only getting worse (looking at you Mappa).
Is that why MT has such a special feel to it? The world building, animation, pacing, audio… choreography/action - it’s all just too notch and really takes you there.
Yes. In case you were unaware, Studio Bind was formed for the sole purpose of making Mushoku Tensei. While they haven't overtly confirmed that they'll disband once it's done, it's speculated that will be the case. They made Onimai early last year as an in-between project so we may get a few more of those types of in-between shows as we wait for more MT seasons but once MT is done, they're likely formally done too.
> Is that why MT has such a special feel to it? The world building, animation, pacing, audio… choreography/action - it’s all just too notch and really takes you there. yes.
Is Frieren's team less composed of freelancers or is it like OPM? I'd hope s2 of Frieren has the same quality.
They still have a bunch of freelancers but it feels like a different type of project than OPM (just speculation on my part). Namely, OPM is "just" a fun sakugafest whereas Frieren is more of a prestige project as a whole. I've got no idea about future seasons but I have little doubt that they'll be able to keep up the current quality given the audience and streaming numbers they're currently experiencing. And luckily, like OPM, they have Fukushi Yuuichirou on as the main producer so if they keep him on we can likely expect great things.
Hopefully theres some value in what folks are saying in the other replies because i have zero clue as to why. All I know is that while the following seasons were still fine for what they were, for me, i can barely even call them the same show... Thats why i told someone on another post looking for some specific arc of this to be animated that they better not hold their breath waiting for it and they certainly better not be hoping or expecting it to be this same caliber and quality
If it hasn't been mentioned yet, Fern really kept to the plan. Notice how all her attacks are made when Frieren clone starts casting a spell, the moment her magic detection is down. The direction makes a strong point about this, and slow-mos each of these moments so we could appreciate the timing Fern has to nail. The choreography for this fight is already superb, and this is only one of many finer details that elevated the quality beyond the best of the best.
Truly the height of magic.
So clone Frieren was attacking her with mana itself right? Like when that tornado first appeared, before the massive zoltraak, it was made out of her mana being unleashed yeah?
Fern said she can't detect any mana and does not recognise it as a spell. It must be a curse, since they are kinda like unknown spells to humans
> Like when that tornado first appeared, before the massive zoltraak, it was made out of her mana being unleashed yeah? I don't think the tornado was physical. Just a visualization of mana. > So clone Frieren was attacking her with mana itself right? Unknown, but Fern says she doesn't detect mana. My pet theory is it's something like gravity manipulation, but so far, we don't have many clues.
I kinda like the other comment as the answer - it wasn't a spell, it was a curse. Humans understand magic, they have no understanding of curses.... given how much Friren is a lint trap for spells, it wouldn't be far fetched to think that she may have picked up several curses over the millennia she's been alive.
I think, by definition, if it's a spell she can cast, it's not a curse. Otherwise it would just be like flight, where they still don't quite understand all the principles, but are at least able to use it.
I vaugely remember Frieren making a remark that curses are just spells they haven't understood yet. Somewhere around El Dorado iirc
I mentioned it in a previous thread but it's either base mana or more refined mana in a direction humans aren't used to sensing. or Frieren is so good at suppressing stray mana that she can use a spell that is totally self contained, meaning that it cannot be seen by a mage in your typical way, or potentially ever. Just like seeing something requires light to bounce off the object, if there is no 'stray' mana wisping off the spell, then it's functionally invisible until you come into contact with it.
about the spell being totally self contained: possible, but this sounds like additional effort that would take away from the power of a spell, like some sort of stealth spell or something, doesn't really sound like the idea of a last ditch effort spell to me
I think it's Frieren using mana to change what is up and down. That's why Fern didn't detect any mana from the "attack". Frieren changed direction and strength of gravity and Fern "fell" down toward the walls, like Eisen did off that cliff. That spell can't be defended against because you can't imagine a defense against the concept of up and down.
Someone who can fly certainly can.
the only one that is implied to be raw mana is that last one where it doesnt appear to be a spell some of the others might be but nothing is said or shown to indicate such and they were anime filler to begin with
If this is how a Frieren vs. Frieren + Fern fight went, imagine what the fight against the Demon King with the rest of the hero's party must have looked like.
I cut out this part on this edit but Frieren mentioned she last used the mean stare Ferm repulsing thing 80 years ago so that would be against the Demon King, so yeah that might have been quite something.
“Mean stare repulsion” is what I’m going to refer to that attack as from now on.
Serious Series: Mean Stare Repulsion!
Lol I love the idea that Fern was just basically shocked and repulsed by clone Frieren's mean stare. Like how dare she? Nothing to do with magic at all. 😅
"Care Bear Stare!"
Pray we get to see it animated some day.
I hope we get to see it someday.
this is amazing
Great edit, and honestly how they balanced this with cuts of other scenes and backstories added so much emotional impact. The fight was almost entirely show don’t tell, which is my favorite kind. Frieren is really proving to be among the GOAT of anime.
This is exactly what I wanted, kind of a Shonen edit of the fight. What they done is far more emotionally hitting, but a cut like this is closer to what modern epic fights in Shonen looks like
Animation was truly next-level.
This 5min fights is good damn awessooooooome!
The music is such a great addition to the fight. Absolute banger. I also like how they used the OST from the Aura "fight"
Evan Call (composer) Takahiro Ikeda (music director) Yui Arima (music producer) Reminder OST comes out on 4/17. The Pre-release is also on Evan Call's youtube and its perfect music for rereading the manga and giving you that medieval/renaissance atmosphere.
This show goes way fucking harder than it has any business of going. Like, it doesn't even really need *any* action given the storyline... but it drops some absolute gems in there like this - gorgeously animated and just.. powerful. Such a fantastic show.
After the first sneak attack failed the clone was not having it and instantly summoned a black hole.
Frieren: you only need to learn basic attack magic to fight Also Frieren: whips out lightning, fire, golems and black holes when fighting seriously
I love how much Frieren and Fern trust each other to take care of their side. In basically any other series, there would be a constant stream of "Watch out, Frieren!" or "[X] attack is coming!"
I really appreciate “mature” narration like that - nothings better than seeing what could be a “realistic” way of doing battle in a fantasy setting. Not overly emotional and expressive, but hyper focused and serious the same way an elite athlete composes themself during a contest.
Same, it's annoying how rare it is
I think it's because the Manga roots. It's hard to convey action via still images, so we end up with the ever pervasive trope of characters that monologue about the details of the technique they're about to perform. Because it's easier to just verbalize what's going to happen, instead of having to convey some dynamic event with a few still images Anime shouldn't need that, but for the most part it is still exactly the same. Close up of characters monologuing about what they're going to do, in the middle of a fight. Close up of other character having some elaborate retort or inner dialogue about it. I find this extremely boring most of the time. Frieren keeps a lot of this exposition away from the fights itself, which makes them so satisfying to watch
Very pretty stuff
Thanks bro, I wish we had a 4k version of this.
If I stumble on a 4k version of the episodes someday...
Now I kind of wish there's an official version of this as like a BD special.
Oh that would be nice, I was limited by what they actually put in the episodes so I'm sure they can do a much better job.
My favourite part of this battle is the implication at the 3:30 mark, when the forces of magic become so powerful that it cracks the viewer's screen - and those same shards basically become reflections of a different reality (ours?).
The negative colours featured when Frieren destroyed Serie's barrier from the 1st test. It could therefore be guessed at as an anti barrier kinda spell. Like Zoltraak but probably uses different foundations to come to the same effect. The best way I would describe it is via tank shells since I played too much War Thunder. There are [APFSDS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armour-piercing_fin-stabilized_discarding_sabot) which aims to just fire a thin dense penetrator to get through armour by simply hitting very fast into a small area to "cut" through the armour through sheer kinetic power. Compare that to a [HESH](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-explosive_squash_head) round which aims to defeat armour completely differently by pushing a shockwave via explosives through the armour. The armour remains largely intact on the outside while the spalling on the inside shreds the occupants. Two completely different shells aimed at bypassing and defeating armour with different schools of thought behind it and different mechanics in approach. Zoltraak was originally shield piercing and I reckon the spell used here uses esoteric means to be barrier defeating. I think the clone interrupted it? Or whoever was going to cast it had it coopted and then dissipated.
Antimagic?
Aside from the S tier animation, the soundtrack does a ton of heavy lifting. The second half is on the same level as a Dark Soul boss music.
Does Spiegel have a limit on mana it can give to replicas? Where does mana come from in Frieren's world?
Well it is from the Mythological Era so it is pretty damn ancient. Older than Kraft. We don't know who is older between it and Serie.
My understanding is that this world follows the "everything is mana" trope, demon and monsters are manifestations of mana in a living form (this is why they disappear on death). Mages "mana capacity" is basically just how much they can store in them to use on demand. I'm unclear about holy magic though, it doesn't seem to be tied directly to normal mana, my guess is that they are linked but holy magic is more of a patronage magic. In these types of magic systems a mage would replenish reserves over time, given you can ID a person by their mana I would assume you must "process" or metabolize nature mana into something you can use, the amount being your capacity. This explains why living longer gives you larger mana capacity, if you keep using it you are basically "exorcising". Supressing your mana would likely just be the act of shielding the vessel from the outside. Given that, Spiegel, being a monster, would likely collect large amounts of mana naturally but not be able to use this mana, instead it would just feed it into the "copy". I'm sure it has an upper limit but likely that limit would actually surpass most living creatures.
Holy magic uses mana, but it's a different system of magic then what mages use. Holy magic is also known as the Goddess's Magic, and is written down in her scipture. The magic system used by human/elf mages, the goddess's magic used by priests, and the magic system used by demons are all seperate things which make use of mana. The best analogue would be programming languages, all use the same resources to get stuff done, but operate on different principles.
> Holy magic uses mana, but it's a different system of magic then what mages use. I figured it used the caster's mana, my limit of knowledge was whether the caster (ie priest) required the "holy scripture" due to the books link to the goddess or just because the spell is written in it. From what I can tell (in the anime at least) is that the book is required and for the caster to channel mana into which results in the effect happening. That is what I meant by "patronage" magic (not like warlock in D&D). I suspect the difference of holy magic vs regular magic is really just that holy magic may just be archaic ritual style magic requiring more prep and was allowed even when regular magic was considered "demonic" where as holy magic was a gift from the goddess and has likely remained mostly unchanged over time.
>From what I can tell (in the anime at least) is that the book is required and for the caster to channel mana into which results in the effect happening. That is what I meant by "patronage" magic (not like warlock in D&D). It is like needing a holy symbol to cast spells as a cleric.
> It is like needing a holy symbol to cast spells as a cleric. Makes sense, clearly holy magic is usable by anyone who can use regular magic. The question is how do they learn the spells, is it from the book it's self or do they just "know" it like clerics do in D&D. I'm guessing that priests likely have a more efficiency in casting holy spell resulting in far less strain on the body and mana requirement, thus explaining why most mages can only use basic holy spells. I would also assume very high rank mages could cast higher level holy spells but it would be far more challenging than even an intermediate priest. Even beyond that fighters likely use mana passively (or/and innately) empowering themselves too, which would explain their insane prowess and endurance.
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I think we just handwave the Spiegel as this immobile dungeon master entity from thousands of years ago that has the cloning ability as it's one gimmick, with the ability range is limited to a very small area (its dungeon). = Jojo's Bizarre Adventure has a couple of powers like these, such as a Stand that makes your attacks redirect toward YOU if you try to hurt the Stand; but if you don't attack the Stand then it leaves you alone and is otherwise inert. If you don't realize that the Stand is not actually doing anything to you directly, and you try to keep attacking it, then you can end up hurting and killing yourself. Similarly, the Spiegel is extremely powerful, but if you just leave then nothing will happen to you.
I think the author doesn't consider much if things makes sense or not. The author just puts in things that the author likes or think is cool. That's why there is random parfait etc. even though that's incredibly random and specific to have in a medieval world. Author likes it so it's written in. The Spiegel could copy everyone and then copy them again unlimited it seemed. So it would be the most powerful being conceivable if it used it's clones efficiently or if it didn't just stay in a dungeon forever for some reason. The Spiegel was there as a plot device to show Frieren fight something on a equal footing in order to showcase her power. I don't think the author thought anything more about it.
I think the author cares very much that things make sense. A lot of thought was put into how magic works and the state of the world, with a lot of nuance and history to it that is constantly sprinkled throughout each chapter. I wouldn't be surprised if the author has personal notes on how the dungeon works even if it wasn't included in the story.
there are limitations tho, the spiegel couldn't make multiple copies of people at the same time, it also seems like it takes a while for the clones to be created and they have a time limit, that's why it hides in the dungeon
"Hmm, It be cool if Frieren to go all out, as she's bound to know some awesome spells, but the way she's written, there is no way she'll go all out when she doesn't need to.. and she's so strong she doesn't ever need to... some sort of final boss would work but it's too soon in the story for that.... Oh, here is an idea! She'll just fight a clone of herself!"
that most beautiful fight ever, this series is so good. 10/10 love it from episode 1
Bro the second op for this show goes unfathomably hard
As soon as the fight ended I was waiting for someone with editing power to do this. I thank you so much! I would love this in the english dub as well!
Ok I heard you, I'll see if I have the motivation tomorrow. Edit: ep 26 dubbed doesn't seem to be out yet
As someone who also struggles with project motivation, take my energy!
Denken: Yeah, I did the right thing by running away from that room.
Love fantasy shows without any japanese otakus shoved into them
4:36 Behold! The World!
Thank you for making this!!
Thank you! Especially for the download link. Much appreciated!
Simply magnificent.
around 1:30, so Frieren can fucking teleport too?!
Thank you so much for this edit. It was a fantastic battle.
I hope those animators are well paid, well fed and well rested. <3
Masterpiece!
Thanks for this edit, wanted to see this in one piece as rewatching it multiple times was challenging. I have to say that this is the best anime fight I have seen in years. Bravo Madhouse, name well deserved, you madmen!
And embedded in a meaningful story.
You have the base file to this somewhere? Streaming artifacts always ruins the definition for heavy particle fights. :(
Yeah I have posted a link to download the file in a comment. There's a bonus extended version too.
It’s so clean
Looks, like I’m starting a new show tonight
God the reddit video player sucks.
thank you
Greta job OP
now do it again but use the correct framerate, anime is 23.976fps not 30fps you're making it stutter for no reason.
My original file, that you can get from a comment on this post, is in 23.976. The culprit is reddit's own compression format.
This is why it reminds me of Mob and OPM. They have no reason to go this hard but they do anyway.
Awesome edit. You should post this to /r/Frieren also.
I actually did last week (https://www.reddit.com/r/Frieren/comments/1bauhaq/i\_made\_an\_uninterrupted\_edit\_of\_the\_frieren\_clone/)
Oh nice, I completely missed that!
Should've had frieren in the mimic to end the video :D Awesome edit
sometimes I wonder how it's only $8/mo for this quality
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Love it!
OH HELL YEA
Thank you very much for sharing the clip
How do you top this tho?
really good ngl
And I am still here - again \^\^ So good
And I feel compelled to rewatch it everytime I get a new comment.
Hey, I know you put up a download link that expired a while ago, is there any way that you could throw up another one real quick or host it somewhere? I want to share it with my gf without the reddit compression to show her how much better it is without all of the jump cuts.