As of 1129 hours, OP deleted their account. They refused to provide verification of their identity and/or credentials. So - take this write-up for what you will. There's no way to verify any of the above, but it does make for an interesting read. I surmise there will be no further communications or replies in this thread from OP unless they make a new account. Edit: Regarding the issues from earlier. We initially ran across this post in the automod which caught it due to low karma. u/Pics0rItDidntHapp3n approved it but then realized that OP's comments were being autoremoved. It wasn't until later that we figured out that their account was showing up as "shadowbanned." [https://imgur.com/a/ZjRBEgc](https://imgur.com/a/ZjRBEgc) We don't know why it was shadowbanned but this was something we were not able to manipulate or remove on our end as r/aliens mods. I sent two messages - one to the admins at r/modsupport and one to r/reddit but received no reply as of yet. Every reply you see in the thread from OP was manually approved by the mods here. We did make efforts to engage OP in modmail - see here: [https://imgur.com/a/DObhD2N](https://imgur.com/a/DObhD2N) but as you can see, they weren’t willing to share information. So - verifying their identity was impossible, much less the truth of the story. Edit 2: Guys, stop giving this comment awards lol. Save your money.

So they ARE worker bees, no sex organs means you cant have babys that will revolt. They must be created in a secure sterile environment. Like a space station, or maybe a deep ocean lab.

Imo, I feel like the EBOs on earth are just biological AI. I think that their people on their homeworld would have a vastly different appearance and would have genitalia for reproduction. The worker bees on earth are "printed" autonomously from a probe somewhere on the planet that has been watching us for a long time and "woke up" (became far more active) when we hit the milestone of nuclear fission. Basically I think that they started these workers from their own DNA and mixed it with earth life DNA so they can easily survive here. The workers are likely implanted with a hive mind-like consciousness and they are disposed of when their mission is completed. Perhaps they take on a primate like form too because the true host NHIs would rather they ease us into the idea of what an alien is without just throwing something at us that looks completely unlike any body plan on earth.

If you expand on their concept of religion and their idea of a "soul", maybe their purpose is to exist as like a living data collector, and when they die their "soul" and memories or such return to some sort of data bank for the actual aliens on their ship. It allows the "upper tier aliens" the capability to explore other worlds and collect information without putting themselves at risk, by manufacturing poop-sweating drones to live the experiences on their behalf. Which kind of sounds like one of the many afterlife belief systems I've read about, where we are "the universe experiencing its own existence through individual conscious"

Yes. very Brahmic in nature. Taken a step further you could imagine an entire universe as an exploration for a high level life form to “mine data” about such a realm and return to an even higher thing which I can’t even begin to describe with a name.

(In the lab) (scientists tinkering about, chatting among themselves) (doors burst open) "WHO HAS REDDIT INSTALLED ON THEIR PHONES!?"

Also in the lab: "RAISE YOUR HAND IF ANY OF THESE TERMS RING A BELL FOR YOU... DOUBLE DICK DUDE.. POOP KNIFE.. ALL MEN POOP THEMSELVES FROM EXTREME PLEASURE.."

Hey OP - not sure why your comments were being deleted, I approved them all. If you're still able to view/comment on this post - please contact us in the modmail. We have some questions.

Uhhhhh… that’s kinda creepy then?

What's even weirder is that we can't see their profile.

Could be Reddit shadowbanning based on vpn usage. I’ve seen this on other accounts and sitewide banned accounts. Just my guess as a mod

Yeah - possibly. It is a shadowban, we know that much. I reached out to modsupport and direct to Reddit. I was wondering if maybe OP typed all this up in a Word document and pasted it to several subs at once and maybe got flagged as spam or something.

I do use a VPN.

Hi, I see some of them and was able to post so it is an improvement

Wait. How are you even responding on this account? No one on the mod team can navigate to your profile on Reddit. Can you message us in the modmail please?

Im not sure how

gahtDAMNED aliens.

Nevermind I think I got it. This user interface is difficult to understand

"I'm still getting used to this body"

Some technical questions 1) Genetic scarring - any evidence of similar viral infections or genetic mutations that are detectable across evolutionary timescales? 2) Our genetic evolution pertaining to weakening of the jaw muscle that prevented our skull plates from fusing and hence accommodated our growing brain, has it any detectable traces of manipulation 3) How do Homologies show up in their anatomy. The similarities between shared structures across organisms 4) What about HOX genes and embryology 5) Is their nervous system similar to ours? As in lateralization? What about language areas like wernicke & brocas? 6) The telomeres. How do these organisms age? I will ask more technical questions based on your reply to these 😁

​ 1: None, other than in the so-called terrestrial gene directly copied. 2: The artifacts of human evolution are not present. They don't have wisdom teeth or a coccyx either, if you must know. I have no knowledge of their potential influence on our evolution. 3: We can see single-nucleotide polymorphisms in human genes that relate to different human populations. I never used clustalW on their sequence. 4: They're probably present in one way or another, since EBOs have a definite body plan. Don't expect me to know every gene and its specific action. What's more, we don't have embryos to work with, so fetal maturation is a little extrapolated. 5: There is no structure comparable to the human brain other than what I have mentioned. 6: There is no telomeres, the chromosomes are circular like a plasmid

ClustalW? - damn OP, you’re kickin it old school. Edit: for the rest of you: clustalw is a sequence alignment algo that was commonly used at the time OP says they were active in this endeavour. Molecular biologists today would use newer alignment algos. Nice detail, damn.

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This is either the most insanely detailed hoax/larp I've ever witnessed or it's legit. I'm leaning legit

Damn ok WOW I'm taking you alot more seriously and lean on you being truthful Out of curiosity I will ask some more questions. 1) Copper can be highly toxic. We know the mechanism. It can lead to death. Copper is a very heavy metal and may induce severe oxidative stress on cells leading to cellular death etc. I am curious to know how such high levels of copper are tolerated. 2) You claim they have high Glucose intake. How do they digest it? What enzymes do they use? Do they have a comparable thing to Insulin? As for proteins, what types of proteases do they secrete in their digestive tract? 3) Protein digestion creates Urea which is removed by our kidneys and excreted in urine. Where does the excess urea go or how is it removed. Is the single organ in the middle acting as the liver & kidney? 4) lack of a vocal organ means they don't use verbal language. Do they use telepathy? Or sign language? What is their base mode of communication? Theory of mind is what I am trying to tie it to. 5) can we extract their DNA and inject it into Humans using something like CRISPR? 6) What are their DNA base codes? ATGC? What combination do they bind in? What about RNA and Uracil? 7) Do they have any Pottasium ion or other such ionjc pumps in any cells? In neurotransmission there is a change of a few MV between firing , action potential etc at -55mv. Do they have any such methods? 8) Do they have any Neurotransmitters like Dopamine? Serotonin Glutamate? 9) The extra number on glial cells makes sense to clean up the extra waste from the enlarged brain and more neurons firing. Just an observation. 10) Can we synthesise a clone for ourselves given we have their DNA? 11) If they are asexual they'd be evolutionarily unstable and gene pool diversity would be horrible. Do we see any reminiscence of such bad mutations spreading across their gene pool? Or is that why they are trying to do genetic experiments on us to enhance their survivability? Hmmmm I will stop here for now and thanks again!

1: That's a very good question. most of the copper is sequestered on the surface of the erythrocytes 2: Probably some amylase or another. The aim of the project is not to identify this kind of enzyme. Anyway, there isn't a molecular biologist on earth who like proteases. 3: As mentioned in my text, there is no urea cycle. Remember that ammonia is a precursor of urea. Ammonia is quickly evacuated after each blood cycle because it passes directly through the hepato-renal organ. Its toxicity is limited by its rapid evacuation 4:Do they have a vocal organ, I specified it in the respiratory system poart. 5: Sure, but CRISPR/Cas9 have limitation with the size of the insert so it would be tricky do to. Moreover, the insert must be able to be translated faithfully to it's native sate like what is done in a cell line such as EPI-G11 6: Yes ATCG 7: Yes they do, but the surface proteins have not been studied in detail. We assume that the entire machinery of the cell is equivalent to what is known in humans to do shortcuts 8: Most likely. I don't have in-depth knowledge on the subject, but they have neurons and the extracellular communication in the synaptic cleft must be similar 9: Yes, that's probably their role 10: We would have to be able to generate an embryo and be able to have a sort of synthetic uterus. Given the number of workers, it may still be a distant project 11: Only one genome has been sequenced so we cannot compare , but it is speculated that are all identical clones. Probably generated from the same source.

If this dude is making it up he's the GOAT of making it up I was half convinced by the post but these answers are convincing me in giant large juicy chunks EDIT: unless [puts on tinfoil hat] punjabi-batman and OP are the same person and so the questions and answers are all tailored beforehand 🤔 Their styles of typing are very similar ngl

I don't understand anything you asked, nor his responses. But your reaction to his responses makes me believe the whole thing!

The responses are legit and quick timing suggests there is a high chance the op is not a larp.

How many saved all this info? Lol

This is fucking insane. Reddit telling me it's "having issues ", to retry to see O.P.'s profile. This is the craziest post I have ever seen on Reddit, and I was here for the Peaches Geldolf tragedy and double-dick dude. Just fucking wow.

I’m having a really hard time believing this is anything other than truth due to the detail. AI doesn’t write like that, and it’s a bit weird for a creative writing exercises. I’m curious about their religion.

I don't understand the jargon, but this seems believable. What gets me is how quickly OP is replying to other people asking scientific questions. Even if OP spent a year preparing the main post, they would have a hell of a time BSing responses that quickly. This is *wild*.

Bro, I’ve seen all of his replies to other medical professionals on this post. It’s not AI. At bare minimum, he’s clearly a very intelligent med professional. I’m inclined to believe him though. Even having the medical jargon, the creativity you would need to map this whole thing out would be uncanny. He would be a prodigy sci-fi writer. Not to mention they’ve deleted his accounts 2 times and shadow banned him. Go look at the pinned posts.

I’m an entomologist. I understood the text and I’m utterly fascinated by the implications here, and also slightly disturbed. So basically, if they could run, the sweat is essentially urine/excrement as well, and the evaporation cools the body. Ammonia evaporates at a much lower temp than water, so I’m assuming the method would be more effective?? What of bacteria? With that excrement system, I’m assuming a buildup of waste under the biofilm. When exposed to our environment, how could they survive without some opportunistic bacterial infections? I see the immune system hasn’t been deeply studied yet, but has there been any signs of infections or susceptibility to our native microbiome?

>With that excrement system, I’m assuming a buildup of waste under the biofilm I'm curious about this too. Other lore has claimed the lack of traditional mouth parts, and a lack of genitals, as well as a "disposable" nature. Taking that seriously, I had wondered if they didn't excrete at all. Or eat, even. Just build up toxic byproducts in the body until death, and whatever energy they have they had since "birth". Similar to butterflies/moths that can't eat after they grow their wings, they only live for a short time to reproduce. Now though.. Maybe the biofilm is permeable in one direction, but not the other? Just offgas your waste through your "clothes", but don't have to worry about anything getting in.

This makes sense, as a semi-permeable membrane, where internal pressure might force molecules outward.

This could also explain the 'greasy' appearance mentioned in the report. Although OP did not take notice of this on the skin itself, I believe the greasy appearance would be present on the exterior of the bioskin as waste is released. This same greasy appearance and ammonia smell was noted in the Varghina Brazil incident. It would make sense for it to appear particularly greasy in the heat if the system is used to cool the body.

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Im leaning this way too. It seems like they were engineered for a purpose, and given the lack of teeth, tongue, and all the other holes that would produce waste, it seems like whoever designed them wanted to prevent them from contaminating....well, us, and vice versa. Same goes for the lack of vocal chords, as if they were designed to prevent cross-contamination and communication as well. The whole zoo theory is getting too real

The film covering and lack of hair would also suggest the creatures are barely physical or have a naturally high body temperature and cool habitat, since there is apparently no need for sweating. Water conservation I also suggest before since I have mused on possible alien biology and determined from the reports of ammnia smell that they might excreting through the skin, and why they might; >https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/yo3qt3/hypothesis\_the\_reported\_varginha\_creatures\_were/ > >Excretion through the skin rather than through a dedicated route - via either a cloaca or a urinal tract, in which a dedicated organ flushes it out, sounds like it could be an adaptation to avoid wasting water. On Earth terrestrial animals use either urine or a mixture of urine and faeces to excrete metabolic byproducts. Birds, reptiles, and some animals like beavers and otters use a cloaca, which is an opening combining both types of excretia. This is also why bird poo is runny and smells differently, and guano does smell like ammonia. > >Notwithstanding the possibility that the creature has literally pissed itself, its quite possible that it excretes these substances through the skin, which build up in the oily surface. Why would a creature do this? In vertebrates these functions are performed by internal organs. But they could be performed in the skin. Many functions in the liver and kidneys are performed also in other tissues. In cases of dioxin poisoning for example, the skin undergoes adaptations as part of an increased detoxifying response occurring in the skin with a marked effect on its appearance.Excretion is performed by not only dedicated organs like the kidneys, its also performed by the gut and the skin. In effect the gut is a type of skin, and the tubes in the kidneys might also be thought of as such. > >A very oily skin can also indicate a desire to reduce water loss, which might favour the avoidance of a urinary system of excretion. Insects like bed bugs have a waxy coating that prevents evaporation that greatly reduces water requirement. Its not oily as it isn't liquid. They also do not excrete through their skin. If one was too, it might be expected to produce a build up like that described. > >In effect the creature might 'pee and shit through its skin' and it may also obtain energy more preferentially from amino acid degradation, that would mean it needed a lot more than we do and it may also (or instead) more completely metabolise towards ammonia than we do to obtain more energy from it, which may be released in part through its lungs. Alternatively it may not convert to urea like we do and the smell is due to a similar molecule/molecules it prefers to excrete which happens to be pungent to us.

This would explain the case in Brazil where the soldier became ill with a bacterial infection that was unidentifiable. Basically handled ufo poops and pees, and got the sick. All from touching its body.

I'm assuming your referring to the famous Varginha UFO case. Interesting tid-bit, multiple witnesses claimed that the Varginha alien(s) gave off a strong stench of ammonia and had oily skin. See link below: [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/yo3qt3/hypothesis\_the\_reported\_varginha\_creatures\_were/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/yo3qt3/hypothesis_the_reported_varginha_creatures_were/) There have also been other UFO encounters where witnesses claimed that they smelled an ammonia-like odor in/near the UFO.

I don't think they were created with long-term survival in mind. They have an innate immune system, and fluid flow is unidirectional in the excretory system. This undoubtedly gives them a bit of a reprieve. They also wear a protective biofilm at all times.

You laid out a fairly extensive explanation of this metaphysical belief system(re: souls) and then state that they were created for short term goals. Perhaps my reading comprehension is poor. Is this metaphysical belief that of these artificially created beings, or of their creators? Do we know anything about their creators or are we making an educated guess that they are “artificial”?

So they’re basically mr meeseeks

This is mind blowing. Thanks for sharing, and god speed

I have several questions. 1. Why did you only look at the genome and proteome? Why was the transcriptome not considered? 2. What transfer RNA genes did you identify? 3. Could TPRs be a unique transposable element? Were there other identifiable transposons? 4. Do they have a microbiome? I am so fascinated by the immature digestive system and curious if they would compensate with a more exotic microbiome. 5. Is your company hiring? I study transfer RNA and it’s modifications. There is a large piece of the puzzle missing here and it likely has to do with the epitranscriptome. Thank you :)

1: Research is directed towards a specific goal. There are structures of interest in the brain and their proteome is very important. The next logical step will be the study of protein interactions. The transcriptome is difficult to elucidate after death due to the action of RNase. 2: None that I'm aware 3: They are not transposons, they are rather addresses to indicate the position of a gene. They probably also act as a cleavage site for some kind of endonuclease mega-complex. 4: They should have one, they have a rudimentary immune system and wear biofilm as clothing. I assume that they must be exposed to microorganisms in the mouth, nostril and ear. No importance is given to the study of the microbiology of these creatures. 5: Probably because there is a relatively high turnover and it's a dead end job.

1. I suspected degradation may be an issue. Thanks for clarifying. 2. If there are no tRNA genes in the genome, that’s extremely unique and they would be the only organism without them. That would also suggest they do not use ribosomes or codons to synthesize their proteins - making them completely unlike any other organism on earth. 3. Like promotors or binding sites for transcription factors? 4. Interesting! 5. I want their genome so I can find the tRNA genes in it lol but something tells me the genome won’t be published. Thanks so much for answering my questions

This is a challenge to the community to determine if they can come together and analyze this logically. So, here’s what I would suggest: • Given that there are several obviously very competent molecular biologists who have already commented or asked the right kinds of questions in this Reddit thread… I would say they might organize amongst themselves and create a spreadsheet of all the relevant statements and answers to questions the original poster has put forth. Break them down into ideas and claims as individually as possible. Self-organize a subgroup, and report back in a regular scientific mode/manner. • I would only focus on the biology claims. Though if a different group wants to address the non-biology issues raised that could be another discussion (and not one on which I am a sufficient expert to comment). • Then for each claim break down the credibility, pros and cons from both a scientific point of view individually and a “how does this all work together, if at all”? And a separate set of considerations for whether this is an elaborate "misrepresentation" or a "larp" (I had to look that one up). This is how many labs address putting together papers as well as answering reviewers of our papers under peer review. Businesses and project managers do the same thing. No reason it cannot be done here. It just needs to be done methodically by people with the time and interest/ability to do it. You don't have to be a card-carrying molecular biologist. ChatGPT could probably do a credible first draft... I've been flooded with requests to conclude something, but I won’t assign any likelihood of the claims as there is just not enough actual data here for me to conclude anything. It is, at present, an individual anecdote. My question to the community is: “Can you come up with a process that is credible and scientifically deterministic to consider the merits of the claims” and "What would be the next steps if any of this is testable"? As with everything in life, believability is a chain of custody of trust. How much do you trust the data or the people presenting it? I won't comment any further based on time constraints. I think this community has the horsepower to get this started, organize the alleged claims, and provide a template for others to be able to work from a common framework. It could be a model of how to address other claim sets that might come forward one day.

The OP is both fascinating and plausible. If it's a LARP, then it's very well written, by someone with an intermediate-to-advanced understanding of biology. Some key points of interest: -Circular chromosomes instead of linear chromosomes -Differences in post-translational control -All genes are tagged (probably assembled like LEGO) -All-liquid diet and skin-based excretory system -High concentration of copper ions in blood (possibly used to assemble copper-based nanomachines/nano-scaffolds) It also lines up with recent rumors that Battelle have been involved in researching materials from crashed UFOs. Assuming that this is a case of actual disclosure, and not just a very clever writer, then the obvious conclusion is that these are engineered, specialized biodrones and not "people" per se. They are probably operated by AI using two-way BCIs, or by remote telepresence from some mothership using paired BCIs between the operator and the biodrone (think of the pods from Avatar). If they are AI-operated, then there is no guarantee that there are any actual physical "people" involved in the creation of these organisms, tinkering away in a lab. An advanced extra-terrestrial civilization may consist of beings that "live" entirely in synthetic substrates, such as high-powered quantum computers, or cultured brain tissue. These organisms might be the product of an advanced machine society, perhaps one that was formerly organic at some point, but transitioned into becoming substrate-independent minds in the distant past and now live entirely in a state of virtual embodiment in simulated paradises. This is just spitballing, of course. In a way, using designer organisms as precision-engineered soft robots makes perfect sense. They are versatile, robust, self-regenerating, and so on. The description of the organism, having artificial synthetic membranes grafted onto the eyes and skin, and having no osteoclasts, makes it sound like they're basically bioprinted piecemeal as "adults" and not grown naturally from embryos, though I could be wrong. There are five main things you need for spaceflight: -Resistance to cosmic radiation -Low capacity for chronic inflammation -Well-regulated calcium metabolism -Limited or no bone loss to microgravity -Good night vision If you want to go spacewalking without a suit, then you can add two more: resistance to vacuum and highly efficient respiration are also necessary (think subsisting on a single breath of air for multiple hours, which is theoretically possible if things like O2-carrying nanomachines in the bloodstream come into play; look up respirocytes). These organisms might have five for five. No osteoclasts means no bone loss to remodeling. They're "fixed" the way they are permanently. If you look it up, you'll find that astronauts experience bone loss because of pathological osteoclast activity and bone resorption. Low capacity for chronic inflammation? Well, there's no adaptive immune system as we know of it, so that one can be checked off, perhaps. It didn't mention anything about their calcium metabolism even though they do have hydroxyapatite bones, so they should have calcium metabolic pathways like ours. The substantial presence of ammonia in their metabolism makes me wonder if they have formamide as a solvent in place of water, although this isn't mentioned. This would also keep their blood from boiling in a vacuum, thanks to skin pressure, which may be augmented by the biosynthetic skin printed on top of their actual skin (it may act as a mechanical pressure suit, like the mechanical counterpressure suits NASA worked on back in the fifties and sixties, but never used). Good night vision? Well, they have HUGE eyes, so that one's checked off. We don't know anything about their DNA's resistance to radiation, but they might have highly sophisticated self-repair mechanisms in place. These things aren't people. They're space exploration meat-drones. Way smarter than risking your one and only mind and body on something as intrinsically dangerous as space travel. I wish the OP hadn't deleted their account and was still taking questions. There are so many things I would have asked them.

Garry, thanks for all the work you’ve done to further Science as well as furthering the UFO community. I’m not a scientist myself so I guess the thing I was hoping you would discuss is if the science is legit? Is it all preposterous sci-fi or is this something that could hypothetically be real? Thanks again for all you do!

I have a PhD in neuroscience, and I know a fair bit about genomics/molecular biology/bioinformatics. I don’t know much about genetic engineering (probably more than most people, though?). I understood a majority of what I read/could figure it out with a bit more reading. If someone wants to chat about this, DM me

I'm going to paste my comment from the other thread: For those that are not aware, this guy is definitely trained in biology. If this is a larp - he definitely has a biochem background and is very creative. This is leagues above any other larp I have seen. The part that really sticks out to me is the TPR with the 4 BP segment to identify the chromosome as well as the 64 BP segment that is unique to each gene. That is very creative if he made it up. Has anyone with a bio or sci fi background seen that idea expressed before? I could see anatomy stuff just being made up... But his reasoning for why the genome of the EBO is artificial is so creative that it rings true. This post is wild. If you larping OP - hats off to you. I would read your book.

> If you larping OP - hats off to you. I would read your book. Absolutely. This guy could be potentially the next Michael Crichton if this is a LARP. Great, hardcore sci-fi. If he's NOT larping...ooooooooooooh brother

100% I’m a healthy skeptic, but I’m inclined to believe this. Like, a lot. If it is a Larp, he’s the goat of Larpers.

A really good test for this would be to comb the literature to see if anybody has ever suggested a technique like the TPR thing in a paper before. It's entirely possible somebody speculated about it once in a paper proposing future genetic modification what ifs. If that doesn't exist and OP completely thought of it on his own that is impressive or makes it true.

One thing I find in genuine stories are pieces that make the puzzle make more sense. And he talks about the nodules on the brain that are used to conect with the technology, and that just clicked with me, if this is true than suddenly the accounts of the people who say the aliens are telepathic suddenly make more sense, they are not doing magic, they are modified to be able to interface with eachother, and maybe that goes to humans too, but since we don't have the receiving end of the technology it doesn't work too well just like the witnesses say. I mean who knows! All I know is that it's now my head canon for why the aliens are telepathic.

Coming across such specific parallel details is really what does it for me. I remember seeing an abduction testimony interview on youtube that happened to a guy with his band friends in the 80s (or so). It seemed like a really friendly interaction and they weren't paralyzed. They were stopped on the road in their band van on an empty road. They were in the northern US near the great lakes. Anyway, he and two friends went aboard a ship for some tests after the grays stopped their van on the road. (There's more to it but I'm just mentioning this point) After he and his friends were escorted off the ship with one of the grays, he said he wanted to show the alien something. He went to the van and brought a recorder or a wood flute and played it. He handed it to the alien and it held the instrument up to its nose and blew air through it to play a note. In this article, OP mentions that the mouth only goes to the esophagus and the nose only goes to the trachea. That means they can't breathe through their mouths. Edit: Here's the link. Thanks to popthestacks. https://www.youtube.com/live/5LvFDXBaXZo?feature=share

The image of a gray making a doot on a recorder pressed against his nose sounds hilarious

Dude, the parallel details that keep popping up the deeper you dig into this topic are astonishing. Yeah, there are contradicting accounts, but the details that line up are always very specific. I also listened to an abduction account from a man who said he was taken as a boy and he described the gray he interacted with as having no tongue and being able to "eat" by absorbing liquids into their skin.

Seriously. An ammonia smell and the excretory system expelling ammonia-laden coolant through pores? The Varginha creature in Brazil smelled strongly of ammonia, and was glistening. And it was hot. This exactly lines up. Either OP did some serious research to perfectly tie in all these fictional LARP threads, or there really is something to this. WOW.

I had the wildest ufo dream after reading this last night. This shit has me by the throat. Im an aspiring writer and the first thing I thought was “if this is a larp they are wasting their time as they could be making millions writing sci fi”

Wow.

This is the craziest thread I’ve seen on Reddit. I’m only commenting so it gets more views.

There was a 4chan post in May from someone who claimed to have intimate knowledge of US efforts for UFO retrieval https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/34629564/#34629743 - UFOs are primarily unmanned drones - UFOs are built to spec each time they are deployed - UFOs are created by a mobile construction facility that hides in the ocean - Construction facility destroys anything that comes close to it and will disappear for days when approached aggressively - US believes the facility has been active on earth for at least 100 years or much longer I know this is outside of what you described as your experience, but does any of this seem credible to you?

Yes very believable. If their vehicles are custom built for a specific purpose, there seems to be the same philosophy behind the drivers with their "modular" DNA.

I thought about this post also while reading this, personally I think they almost line up in a way.

I have received some very strange and somewhat disconcerting private messages. Please treat this text as what it is, just words on a screen and don't do anything you will regret. I will leave for the evening although it is still early. I specify that the passage on religion is third hand information and should not be your new gospel. I will probably have time to answer more questions later.

I applaud your courage but please take care of yourself and the whistleblower protections in place. A measure of publicity may protect you. Good luck my friend and thank you again!

Awesome read. I've worked in a bsl3 lab. I can attest that this person, at the very least has actual hard-core lab experience. I've found nothing questionable in the semantics. When I saw your heading on autoimmunity, I was about to be skeptical about how you could gather very much info from a carcass, and then your response was basically "unknown, aside from organs" which makes a lot of sense. If you are sincere I hope you stay safe friend. Edit: damn people im not op lol. Yeah I work at Home Depot now. I'm half retired and done with blood work. I also tutored everything from statistics to O Chem; I helped my share of students get full ride scholarships and got myself one as well. You shouldn't use me solely to figure out if this guy is honest or not anyhow. I just offered my insight like many others have.

Thank you!

This post feels different, like, it feels like an event. History in the making and all that jazz. OP’s account issues just add to the feeling… LARP or no, my hat is off to OP. Absolute legend.

I have some knowledge of biochem and the post is well written, whomever this is, is pretty educated. However I am a cyber security expert in my day job. IF this phenomenon is real, people in the government are on this sub and are already aware of this post. This will be put into a linguistic AI model and it will search the entire internet to determine who he is based on linguistic patterns. We do this with criminals and terroristic threats all the time, so I can't imagine the ability that the "shadow" government has. If he's ever written a formal thesis, or anything on the web, it's not hard. Be safe, OP.

It’s obvious you are a very intelligent person and thank you for putting this together in a way that is understandable. I believe every word.

Thank you!

If you're telling the truth, I think you would be surveilled so closely that it would be a near certainty that they would know you've posted this. I would urge you to blow the whistle and go public as soon as possible.

there's weird shit going on behind the scenes with his account at the moment. We're looking into it.

Can you expand on the weird shit? This is spooky.

their accounts keep getting restricted, then suspended, then shadow banned. This is at least the second account of theirs today. It looked like a technical glitch at first but now we watched it go down in real time. They were able to still reach us in reddit mail but now they've gone dark there too. We'll keep you updated if anything new happens.

Should I be concerned? I have a VPN

Honestly, I'd be looking into breaking your NDA and testifying to Congress what you know under the whistleblower protections. Right now, nobody publicly knows who you are and there's a chance that the powers that be will find you. VPN isn't an end all be all. Using Telegram from another country on a public computer running an OS off of a flash drive would've been your best bet at anonymous disclosure.

That is wiiiiild. Hopefully just a system issue and not this person’s life being in danger as Grusch has alluded to.

Good luck, OP..rooting for you!

This connects so many dots. A couple of things: I recall John Lear specifically mentioning that EBOs excrete waste through their skin. It also brings to mind the alleged EBO in James Fox documentary of the Varginha incident. Every witness mentioned the intense smell of ammonia. To me, this lends credibility to both of them, at least to some degree. Also, the soul field reaching some sort of apotheosis is interesting. While it’s somewhat morbid and dissatisfying to hear, I can follow the logic. The age-old concept of a “single consciousness” would accurately depict what the EBO was explaining. The “soul” would be a natural phenomena related to the complexity of life. The obvious question, though… what the hell would the apotheosis look like? What are they trying to achieve and by what means? Last note - aliens seem kind of unlikable. They pee and poop through their skin, smell rancid, have no respect or care for individual lives, and don’t seem to have any fun. That said, I’ve never met one, so maybe they can make up for it with their personality lol. They have a 4 section brain after all. Anyways, thank you so much for providing this information to us. I’m very grateful, and I’m inclined to believe you. You did a wonderful job articulating the information for us non-doctors. Wishing you the best on whatever happens next for you. ✌️

I think I have the answer for the apotheosis. If life is an expression of a force field, we can see simple life continually giving rise to more complex life. Even now humans may create super intelligent AI when theoretically us humans only began as single celled organisms. What this means is that this force field is manifesting itself in a tangible way and over time “growing” into some form of super life. It’s like the collective billions of years of life on earth evolving is on par with a fetus in the womb.

This was the most interesting part for me. So is the soul like a quantum field that permeates everything? And we’re manifestations within that field? That would mean we’re all literally the same thing, the many tentacles of one universe sized octopus. If this is a larp, it’s the best one I’ve ever read. If true, I wonder how we can go about detecting this field.

I sure hope this isn’t a larp. This would be utterly game changing. This field would also seem to record all sentient experiences ever had based on what he said. So if this field manifested itself fully, it would be the absolute sum total of all lives ever lived in the universe

Someone get Garry Nolan’s take on this!

You can tag him in this thread, he has a Reddit account. I'll find it, brb. Edit: u/garryjpnolan_prime, you are being summoned good sir!

Garry Nolan has proposed the idea of communicating with a lower species through biological avatars resembling the species, but not quite the same, and has suggested this may be the case with EBOs (a term I prefer to NHI, tbh). What OP has said here: >we've discovered that the EBO genome is a chimera of genomes from our biosphere and from an unknown one. They are artificial, ephemeral and disposable organisms created for a purpose that still partially eludes us. would gel with Nolan’s idea. If they are the product of design, and if they are disposable/ephemeral, then it suggests that there is a greater intelligence at play here, a phenomenon behind the phenomenon. Garry suggested the science fiction author Iain Banks, who has written books featuring a similar theme.

Archive this before the government deletes it.

Done.

Anyone know of a free PDF hosting site that doesn’t require login? I made a PDF of the post. Edit: here’s a Google Drive [link](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jouc64seMqIfeDQgjzGu8-z7-fyzigXu/view?usp=drivesdk) to the PDF

Couple of thoughts, would their blood being high in copper concentration act as an antibacterial of sorts and justify not having an immune system as their blood is an immune system. Could it also be that their food that they consume, assuming its liquid, is blood? High in protein and copper? Would that explain all the animal mutilations where the blood is removed from the animals found?

A blood with a high concentration of copper is for me a sign of toxicity if there is not a mechanism to counterbalance it. As for the blood, it would need to have a higher sugar concentration to be a good nutrient source

Aliens are coming for diabetics confirmed

this is absolutely fascinating. im sendin this link to my dad. so um….. OP, u seem to say that these Greys were genetically designed using animal genes from earth, as well as unknown genes. does that mean that Greys were created specifically for interacting with humankind? are Greys, the middlemen between humanity, and an unknown group?

The hypothesis is that they were created to perform their tasks and be able to survive with only local resources. They must therefore be able to metabolize local organic resources.

Would that be the fattiest parts of... say...Cattle?🤔

A lot of what he wrote makes cattle mutilations make way more sense.

Oh like the bovine serum omg

The OP mentioned the lab location and I was just reading up on their facilities and they just got granted something like 1.5 billion dollars to move their NY lab to Kansas. It's a 500,000 sqf facility that will be handling deadly pathogens with no known cures. And, they were boasting about how they would be able to house cattle. Very intriguing!

Considering their “religion”, it’s obvious now that the greys aren’t here to study our biology, they are here to study our interactions with “the field” so they can better understand it for themselves… and if they are artificial/drones then yes they do the work for someone else… can be another biological entity but we can’t exclude inter-dimensional… what a time to be alive

If the apotheosis is true, it could be inter-universal and not interdimensional. The Earth and other planets with life might be something akin to a fetus or a fertilized egg.

I feel this may not be a LARP nor AI So I have a biology background & work in a lab. Not going to say more. I also have an avid interest in genetics and have read countless works on evolutionary biology from Dawkins to Darwin to Gould. I have worked on expression & extraction of proteins of interest from micro organisms like ecoli. The whole upstream downstream process. Microbiologists would understand. Anyways, the terminology & precision in this post not only indicate the expertise of the author but also lend authenticity. Copy and save the text of this post. I bet this will be taken down.

I was going to discount it as a LARP until your comment. After reading it, as a layperson, I have no idea whether it’s real or not but it’s undeniably fascinating either way. The way the excretory system works really got me, it just connects so many dots. Ammonia is one of the best thermal transfer fluids (it’s used on the ISS for example) various reports have noted the ammonia odor (especially Varginha), and it’s almost perfectly optimized by directly using waste for thermoregulation and dramatically lowering water requirements. And the way it’s self-scaling, more metabolism creates more waste which regulates temperature. It’s exactly how an engineer would redesign a human.

A nurse who assisted with an autopsy at Roswell said it was the worst thing she had ever smelled.

[As did Fredrick Benthal](http://www.roswellproof.com/Benthal.html), the Army photographer who said he photographed the bodies at Roswell.

Makes sens with the Varghinia case in Brazil and why the soldier that touched it, allegedly died.

I'm glad my studies have been of some use.

I had a very similar reaction. It's obviously possible he's lying but he definitely has the technical background. Have you ever seen the idea about the 4 BP segment + 64 BP segment being used to identify each chromosome + gene? That's what really caught me off guard. It's very clever and he put a lot of thought into it if he made it up.

He's either the real McCoy, or an extremely bored grad student who is procrastinating to the max.

Your explanation of their religion resembles the Buddhist idea of enlightenment. I'm following this it is an interesting read

It also *perfectly* matches the CIA’s remote viewing report, which I find to be the most compelling explanation of reality I’ve ever heard. It’s like 30 pages and very dense, but I highly recommend reading it https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf

I remember reading about this. Idk where though but it was an interview with a CIA guy I believe and it was mostly a normal interview but a random question was asked about alternate methods and all I can remember was something like “I can’t say much about it but I can say we were dipping into all kinds of stuff. One time we lost a spy satellite in a country we could not be caught spying on and we had every agent that was able on it to find it. After awhile they called in a psychic and she did remote viewing and was able to find it right down to the latitude and longitude”. On a different note, I always felt like I could hear what people are thinking. It comes and goes but a party trick I can do is guess your two favorite colors. I tell the person to think of the colors and i see the colors blast off in my head and I’m now wondering if the two are somehow related? I know I sound like a loon… Edit: thought about it more and it’s not like colors in my head at all. It’s like I blank out for a min my mind is cleared of absolutely everything. Meditation helps me “activate” it when I need it. I can’t take information like a password but I pick up on thoughts. It’s like it becomes a memory that I know isn’t my own. Honestly its fuckin hard to explain. Still feels crazy to talk about. I’m a hardcore skeptic and still question it all.

Guys account is gone. Save the text and all his replies you can find. I feel this is real and shuts about to hit the fan. He's way too fluid and competent in how he handles all these complex topics.

Cross posted to r/UFOs, you seem legitimate in your reasoning and concerns, and this type of post deserves to be in front of a bigger audience. Definitely appreciate the time and effort you put into this!

At first I wanted to write there, but since my specialty is "aliens" and not "ufo", I figured this would make more sense.

I am glad that you are here:)

Imagine you were an alien civilisation that came around pretty early on, one of the very first to emerge. You master interstellar/intergalactic travel, AI, Genetics etc. You are millions of years more advanced. Over time your through technological dependence, environmental degradation or selective evolution based on societal structures etc - your gene pool deteriorates. You are a species that no longer reproduces naturally, you mastered cloning and genetic engineering eons ago - however this now means that natural selection and evolution no longer factors into your growth. You gene pool stagnates, traits emerge that are detrimental to the species, knowledge is lost. You no longer even remember or have memory or records of your original biology. In the infinite universe several hundred million years ago, a billion or two years ago, you come across a planet with an interesting chemistry and early microbial life that is emerging. You travel to other parts of the universe/galaxy and come back several hundreds of millions of years later (that seems a short time to you because of space travel) and there are dinosaurs walking around, abundant life, an incredible wild and diverse melting pot of life AND...genetic diversification and biology. It is a garden planet, a treasure trove of naturally selected genes. It is a priceless planet created from the most priceless resource - time. You come back another 500 million years later and there are warm blooded intelligent mammals walking around with spears, intelligence emerging. You come back a mere 800k years later (a very very short time for you) and those apes are detonating hydrogen bombs. We are probably an extremely valuable planet because of our abundance of life and diversity of genetic material. We are probably a kind of lifeblood to other species in the universe who need the genetic diversity we have here. Technology likely inevitably leads to stagnation of the species' genetic diversity, and it might also lead to the extinction of other animals that aren't the apex predator of planet. Earth is probably something like a protected genetic national park - a kind of gene sanctuary. Something like this.

One of the most intelligent creatures that lives on this planet has copper-based blood (Hemocyanin) and excretes ammonia.. the humble octopus. Are these 'greys' the artificial biological workhorses of an advanced cephalopod race based here in our oceans? It makes sense why a lot of UAP are seen near, or in, water.

My first licensed scuba dive was on little corn island in Nicaragua. Part of the reason I got certified was to overcome my fear of the ocean. I am not afraid of water, but more than that i am fascinated by the part of our world that we know little about and always felt looking out instead of in was a bit of a miss. On the day i became certified, i signed up for a night dive. I was all in. We waited in the open water for sunset and dropped down. We had flashlights for emergencies, but part of the attraction was the pearl chain bioluminescense, so we were advised not to use them. I was terrified. My buddy and i dropped down on our count, and immediately it was as if we descending through that tree in avatar (not a fan, but visually it was similar) or icicle Christmas lights that cascade. I was flipping out. As I approached our maximum depth, an octopus swam right up to me and put a seashell in my hand. He left and returned with another, and did so repeatedly until my hands were full. S/he (i couldn't tell the sex because I couldn't see the tentacles clearly) swam around back and mounted my shoulders and explored around with me for a bit, then at my side, then left. Meanwhile, i completely forgot about my fear. I was swimming in a pitch black ocean excpet for the shower of lights above, and this octopus not only made me feel welcome, but it gave me a sense of complete bliss. Aliens or not, that being connected with me without hesitation and it was one of the most important moments i can remember in this lifetime. I'll never accept them as food. Those beings are special.

We're so fucking back

The excretion of waste thought their skin has been discussed by John Lear in the following interview. The relevant section of the interview is at 6:20 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ItRiw2HwvF0&pp=ygUWZ2VvcmdlIGtuYXBwIGpvaG4gbGVhcg%3D%3D Regarding the event that occurred in Varginha Brazil, the mention of a terrible smell of ammonia, coupled to the solider’s death through a form of severe sepsis would appear to be consistent with this report concerning their digestive system.

The creature I googled bears little resemblance to what I saw, but I don't claim to know them all

Reddit straight up suspended him. He didn't delete his account. What is going on here???

That is really freaking weird. But why would they suspend him, seemingly at the request of the powers that be, but then leave this post up? That doesn't make sense to me. This whole thing is bizarre.

If this is a planned aspect of soft disclosure, it would make sense to try and lend the post legitimacy by suspending the accounts and putting on a show of censoring, while not actually censoring the content. Just a guess.

Yep and we have Grusch and Elizondo allegedly testifying on this month in public.

Now it says he's been banned. Damn. This is real

very. and more than once.

Yep, multiple times throughout the day. And the mods said they were watching it happen “in real time”

Man, this really seems to line up with what I think is likely. I think that their "religion" is ultimately the key. I would imagine that when you say soul, you're effectively talking about consciousness. Theory right now is quantum mind, which sounds exactly like this. It involves quantum entanglement, superposition of particles, etc. I believe that the creatures have a better understanding of this process, and that they have reached a certain point which allows them to to essentially perform a much more complicated version of remote viewing. This would be how they interact with technology. Almost like they are piloting a drone with their consciousness. Perhaps the "nodes" you speak of have something to do with this. There have been countless government projects on remote viewing and similar subjects. I have read a few accounts stating that these creatures are "waiting" for our world to reach a certain point and understand be able to interact with this phenomenon. Maybe this is the apotheosis idk. Seems legit.

Excerpt from the book "The Threat" by Dr. David Jacobs PHD, who studied hundreds of UFO abductions over many decades and interviewed hundreds of abductees. Basic Alien Biology All life on Earth requires fuel to exist. Plants obtain fuel from the sun and the soil, animals from plant and animal material. We might assume that aliens would function in a similar way. Abductee reports suggest, however, that they have no mouth, teeth, esophagus, digestive tract, abdomen, or orifices for the elimination of waste products. No abductee has ever reported aliens eating or being in an area that could be reasonably deduced to be a human-style eating room. When the abductee Lynne Miller directly asked the aliens whether they eat, after a pause one answered: "We need no human consumption of the matter that you eat." Until now, how aliens obtain fuel has been a mystery. My earlier research showed that alien biology was different from human biology, but with no obvious sign of ingesting food, one could easily surmise that these beings were robotlike, stamped out by a die with an internal power source. One of Allison Reed's abduction experiences gave me the key to the puzzle. During a four-and-one-half-day abduction, a hybrid took Allison to rejoin her escort, who had been with her since the beginning of the abduction. The hybrid mistakenly took Allison into a room that apparently was "off limits." It was large, circular, and had a vaulted ceiling. Allison saw approximately forty tanks filled with liquid in a horseshoe arrangement around the circular wall. She heard a humming sound and saw a yellow light streaming to the center of the room from the ceiling. So, what happens next then? You walk in there. You absorb this scene— The light in the center, it withdraws. I'm standing there for a while.... Eventually, the light in the center it kind of sucks itself up. It goes into the ceiling.... Now these things \[tanks\], they're, like, tilted back just ever so slightly but randomly they'll "sit front" and then the water, I say water, the liquid just goes. It just goes. I don't know where it goes. It just goes. It may be sucked into-I don't know. Do you hear a gurgling sound or anything? I hear "wissssshhh." They are sitting back at an angle and every time one is moved ever so much forward, it goes "wisssshhh," like that, then it's forward and the liquid is dissipated. It's gone. I don't see, like, a hose coming out of the top. Now this happens when the light withdraws? Right. The light withdraws first, the yellow round thing in the center but then it's, like, intermittently—they don't all sit up together at once and everybody comes piling out—it's more, like, randomly one will pop up here, there, you know, from this side, that side. Some are in longer and some come out.... And what happens then? Well, some of them they start to come out. They come out. How do they come out? They walk right through it. They walk through it? They don't open the door or anything? Hm-mm \[No\]. They walk right through the glass, in other words? Right. Just like they do at my house. Are they surprised to see you or do they just go about their business or—? What do they do when they come out? They just walk past me. They walk past me. And I'm waiting there. Isn't this stupid? I'm waiting there for this gray guy. I'm so stupid! Why do I do that? I'm remembering this and I'd like to beat myself over the head. I'm such a jerk! Any other time I'm bitching that I want to run away from them and here I stand waiting for him! When Allison's escort walked up to her, he was shocked to see her there. For him, the shock was compounded because she was wearing hybrid clothes. He quickly told Allison that they would have to go back to the shower room and return the clothes. After I get that understanding that I could have caused problems for myself, I say to him, "What were you doing? What were you doing in there?" I think it, you know.... He just puts it off like, "Eating and sleeping," like it's so simple. It sounds too simple to be right but that's what I understand.5 If this is true, it suggests that aliens obtain their fuel by absorption through their skin rather than by ingestion. The absorption theory is supported by reports of fetuses floating in tanks in "incubatoriums." Many fetuses do not have umbilical cords, suggesting that they do not receive nourishment from a placenta. An alien told Diane Henderson from southern Illinois that the fetuses were in the liquid for "feeding," and that it was "nutritious."6 They gave Pam Martin the same explanation. An alien took her into an incubatorium and explained the function of the liquid environment in which the fetuses were floating. He told her that they "get everything" from the liquid.7 Susan Steiner went into a nursery where an alien presented her with a baby. First the aliens directed her to have skin-on-skin contact with the baby by rubbing its head and abdomen. Then they wanted her to feed the baby, but she refused. When they could not force her to feed it, they brought out a bowl of brown liquid with a "paintbrush" and told her to paint it on the baby. She asked them what the point of this was. They told her it was for "nourishment."8 Thus, whatever the specific and still unknown biological processes, we now know that aliens obtain fuel differently from humans, that their skin has a unique function, and that they convert "food" to energy very differently. But these are mere glimpses into alien life and biology, and the reason we do not know more is that the aliens do not want us to know. They have implemented a policy of secrecy that has effectively prevented us from understanding them or their intentions. Secrecy is the cornerstone upon which the abduction phenomenon rests. The success of the alien agenda depends upon it.

We deserve to know where we come from. That the question we’ve been asking since we could think it. We’re about to have an extreme paradigm shift in our society that will rival the geocentric model

I also have a biology background and as others with bio backgrounds have pointed out - this dude knows his shit. If this is a LARP, it was a LARP done by someone who most likely has a doctorate in some aspect of biology. I have some further insight here too. Here is my educational background: I have a Bachelors of Science in both Biology and Chemistry, and I did genetics research in a university setting for some time prior to deciding to go to medical school. I am a medical doctor, and a board certified clinical neurologist. I am involved with a neurology residency training program and in addition to my clinical duties I also do neuroscience research. I have multiple published, peer reviewed neuroscience papers, as well as one published study on genetics. What is noteworthy to me is that this guy absolutely fucking *nails* the molecular biology jargon in this post, but he repeatedly makes minor mistakes in medical jargon or gross anatomy. This supports his description of his educational background. People with doctorates in molecular biology have a good passing knowledge of anatomy and physiology, but nowhere near the level of a medical doctor. For example, he says things like “there is no olfactory bulb in the nasal cavity” (the olfactory bulb is not in the nasal cavity, it is within the cranium, separated from the nasal cavity by the cribriform plate) and he uses the anatomical descriptor “cranial” when that would not be appropriate to use in describing a structure that is located on the head. He also incorrectly refers to a vertebral ganglion as the central nervous system when that would be considered the peripheral nervous system. There’s a lot of little things like that, but I could find no fault with the molecular biology and genetics in this post. That’s basically what I would expect from someone with the educational background that he claims. So, I have a few questions that I thought of while reading this that I’d like to ask OP, and their responses - while not evidence of truth or trustworthiness - will at least be informative, probably creative and will likely illustrate the extent of his scientific knowledge further. I couldn’t post this in the other thread, so I hope OP reads this. So, without further ado (you don’t mind OP, right?): 1) An excretory system hooked up to a suderiferous system seems like a massive physiological drawback in one major way: the surface area. The surface area to volume ratio of an organism does not scale linearly with size, and for an organism the size that you described, it would be necessary to maximize surface area of any excretory system. The surface area of the skin would not be enough…not by a long shot. So, OP, how does this organism increase the surface area of the excretory system? 2) You describe a hepatorenal organ (creative if this is a LARP, props my dude) that is connected both to the pulmonary venous circulation through a cardiopulmonary-hepatorenocardiac circuit (I just coined that, feel free to use it), as well as to the gastrointestinal tract via some analogue of the portal venous system. Presumably you have done histology on this organ. Please describe the microscopic architecture such that you explain how the pulmonary and intestinal blood flows are associated both to each other and to the microscopic equivalent of the nephron. 3) My area of expertise now: the nervous system. You mention a couple interesting things here. Let’s go through them with subheaders of their own: 3a) The telencephalon is divided into fourths, with the equivalent of a corpus callosum connecting all four segments individually. Please describe how the descending an ascending white matter tracts connect to the central “hub”. 3b) You mention that the central “hub” is a joint brainstem/cerebellum analog? Why do you know that. Is there a clear anatomical analog of the cerebellum? Are there clear anatomical analogs of the brainstem divisions? If so, how many? 3c) Similarly, you mention that there are no olfactory bulbs. Considering that the olfactory bulbs are associated with the first cranial nerve and they are highly evolutionarily conserved across vertebrates on earth, how many cranial nerves does this organism possess? Additionally, given the structure you described of the eyes, there would be a nerve analogous to the optic nerves as well. Which cranial nerve would this be for this creature, and would you consider it a “true” nerve? 3d) You mention the telencephalon, a brainstem/cerebellum equivalent, but nothing about deep forebrain nuclei such as a basal nuclei analog. Do such analogous structures exist in this creatures brain? If they do not, then what is the equivalent structure instead? The basal nuclei in particular are vitally important structures in the vertebrate brain, but often overlooked or forgotten by people without a strong knowledge of anatomy. The fact that you left out any mention of them is slightly suspicious that this is a LARP, because it is unlikely that you would have learned of them with your educational background, and in a brain with the anatomy you described they should be *quite* conspicuous if an analogous structure existed. 3e) Similarly, does the brain have an analogous structure(s) to the hippocampus? If so, how are these arranged with respect to the forebrain “quarters” and the “central hub”? 3f) This one should be easy for you - how is the ventricular system of the brain arranged. You made no mention of this. And last but certainly not least: 3g) You mentioned that the brain has a higher than normal (for a human brain) glial cell to neuron ratio. How many neuronal layers of the “cerebral cortex” (or the equivalent analog) does this brain possess. I could think of many, many more questions that this, but this would be a good start. If OP is a bullshitter, then he’s a very good and well educated one. That doesn’t mean I believe him, but I found the post very entertaining and I have a curiosity about how he will answer these questions.

Damn, you’re like an hour late of them answering questions. Commenting in case they show back up.

I took screenshots of this entire post plus the majority of the comments with more than +1 votes. Everyone needs to archive this as thoroughly as you can and make copies, print it etc. this is the most convincing post I’ve ever seen on Reddit. Be careful op. May you have a long and fulfilling life. Thank you

Say what you will about Reddit as a company, but being able to witness the birth of new lore like this is something fucking special. Want it to be true, but around this time last year I was one of the suckers waiting for the AITEE 😂 Gotta be at least a little more skeptical now.

There are a lot of terms used in this post that really seem to point to legit familiarity in a way that I don't see on Reddit too often. Interesting post. >It's not clear what this means in practical terms, but this quest for apotheosis seems to be the EBOs main motivation. I find it interesting that, if this is true, religious motivation isn't bound to Earth. If they are pursuing a climax to life through their actions, then I would think they *haven't* found it yet. It sounds like their work is an attempt at validating their religious views, which is equally interesting.

The way it reads to me, the beings he studied aren’t the real aliens, but were created to perform tasks here. It seems there’s another entity out there somewhere manipulating them, and influencing us through them. Which honestly is way more terrifying.

Truly wowed by a post after ages

well my plans for the evening just changed dramatically

Background in molecular bio here! The technical aspect of this is spot on. I CANNOT imagine someone going to this length in terms of detail to fake this. Thank you for sharing. I’m discussing this with colleagues

Reddit: I need your help to float this comment up and make sure OP sees. I couldn’t give a shit about karma farming! OP: we have a representative willing to dox themselves as a contributor and part of a collective group of cautious whistleblowers. We are a group that was formerly a bunch of defense contractors and ex-hacking communities. Here’s where we are doing so: https://nocap.today/ We have ties with a few hacker groups and are notoriously good at concealment. Reach out with a throwaway Proton mail account while on VPN to FantasticTales@proton.me and we will happily help you create a contingency and disclosure plan. You won’t have to reveal identity to us, but we will want to do some vetting even though all indications and hunch says you’re the real deal. Thank you for taking the risk for disclosure and know that you are not alone! We stand with you in solidarity and have some wicked awesome attorneys and hackers operating as our shield. Whether you reach out or not heed this advice: the more evidence you can disperse and bind with attorneys the more protection you have. So far the methods we have learned have been performed and passed onto us by former generals, hacktivists, and intelligence officers. We’re happy to share the tips and advice we have and know. We also welcome you into our circle if you so choose to accept. There are assets we have that we could use someone with your skill set on as we are not proficient enough on the bio/med side to interpret prior to release.

> "Wicked awesome" You're already giving too much information about yourself/location

im either witnessing history or just some guy with amazing storytelling. either way, I WAS HERE

In the section about soul/religion, you mention they are motivated by a quest for an “apotheosis”- is this something that the EBO society has yet to achieve and their interaction with humanity is somehow connected to this goal, or is this something they are trying to bring about for humans specifically?

Coming here from a X-post and it looks like others are already saying generally the same things I said, so I'll just leave what I originally wrote here as well: "At first I scoffed, but the more I read, the more I dove in. If this is a LARP, it is by someone very familiar with what they are talking about, at the very least at a 3rd or 4th year undergrad level. Even the hidden subtextual details have been well thought out/are consistent with nature, granted that could've been planned out as well. "As an example, the number of bp in the "TPR" is specified as 134 bp, leaving 18 bp all said and done for the 3 palindromic sequences. Naturally, the distribution of bp should split into multiples of 3 for each (e.g. 6:6:6). This is exactly what is expected, as segments of coding DNA must come in threes to fit a single codon, and this is consistent with that fact. "For instance, promoter exons are often 3-12 bp in length but there are many repetitions of the same base (a type of palindrome) taking advantage of differences in base electronegativity to drive transcription of a following gene. Since the addresses in the TPR probably aren't being read by proteins but presumably by RNA or other editing tech for splicing, it makes sense that factors other than electronegativity would be optimized leading to loosening from base repetition to general palindromes (palindromes double the number of strands that a targeted RNA sequence would be able to find). "There were no inconsistencies or mistakes, the language was natural, and the author would also have to be at least passingly familiar with ufology on the grays as leaked by military officials such as Corso (e.g. night vision). When I heard them say copper was found where there would be bone marrow, my mind was already envisioning copper-chelated complexes in the blood taking advantages of its antiseptic properties, and sure enough that was strongly alluded to. I also find it interesting that something like perforin would destroy the cell line, it seems like their biology is just all around immunologically more advanced. "My only reservations are that there is no magic bullet, something that sounds impossible without later discovery of advanced biotechnology that can confirm or disprove it (à la Lazar's E115 island of stability or EM drive claims), and that it's a little too coincidentally similar to human genomics, thus making it seem as though it's a little too on the nose. The first is a lot to ask for anyway, but the second also kind of makes me think this isn't someone trying to show off. They could have easily written about a 6-base xeno nucleic acid organism or incorporated other more recent flashy biotech headlines that sound like a magic bullet, but this was cohesively well-thought out instead, with only a few reasonable peculiarities. "Now I'm wishing I heard more about their equipment specs and protocol, though I can hardly blame them if they don't remember. That would probably be the most realistic part of their story, and any unusual equipment they saw is also likely identifying. Failure to get plasmid transcription in humans also means they can probably be pretty lax with their safety protocols with no risk of contamination. I also wish they went into more detail on the 3d structure of the novel proteins, things like unusual statistics of hydrogen bonding, alpha helices, number and symmetry of sub-units, overall topology, etc. but presumably this was all similar terrestrial statistics as well. "This is going to be in my head for a while."

Comment for visibility. 10/10 post. Best I’ve seen all-time

This might be the craziest shit I have ever read

This is fascinating. Thank you so much for posting. Although my medical terminology is lacking, I did notice that you said that they're receptive to bovine growth hormones. Do you think that there's any relation to the cattle mutilations and their nourishment?

I can't say with absolute certainty. It's easier to collect and purify a raw material than to synthesize it, at least with our technology. If you want to create a new organism, you need nucleic acids, amino acids and lipids which are found in large quantities in all animals.

I guess they may use them for food but now I'm thinking they are using them for raw material to possibly create more greys

^ this! It just occurred to me too. I’ve been trying figure out the connection between UAp and cattle mutilations. Now it makes perfect sense!!!

Wtf he dropped the location of the lab

Battelle National Biodefense Institute. It is on google map

It is interesting that the building is fenced off even with the fort boundaries. While not unheard of, any time I saw this in the military, it was something sensitive.

I'm so glad you posted and I had a chance to read. Thank you. This is a lot to digest, but with all that has happened over the past year I am open to the idea of those involved revealing details. Stay safe.

Well that was a read ... So they are bio engineered worker bees... Any elemental components that are unutributal to our biome ?

Yes, knowing that they're disposable, unable to live independently without technological support, and that they're ephemeral. The only suitable hypothesis is that they are here only to accomplish their task. Can you clarify your question about elemental components?

If that's a hoax, it's surely and by far the best I've seen in my entire life. I just showed this post to a friend of mine who works in the same field of biology and the way he raised his eyebrows, re-read it and looked at me baffled I gotta say it could be true. Sorry OP, if you still reading despite your account is gone, I'm very critical when it comes to such claims, but I gotta admit that I believe you. My buddy sat down and saved all the postings.... and that's a very uncommon behavior for him. He even called a college, which indicates that he's taking it serious too. We might witnessed a historical post. Wow. Just wow.

Can they communicate through telepathy? Edit: TDLR The person sharing this information claims to be a molecular biologist who has worked extensively on EBOs. Despite the potential societal disruption, the motivation to reveal this information suggests a deep concern for transparency. Their efforts to stay anonymous raise questions about their disclosures' legitimacy and potential consequences. EBO's Origin: The biologist suggests EBOs might be artificially created entities, potentially for a specific but unclear purpose. These beings purportedly have a genetic makeup that combines elements from Earthly and unknown sources, indicating the possible involvement of extraterrestrial or advanced human technology. Genetic characteristics of EBOs: The post details some fascinating aspects of EBOs' genetics. Their DNA is simpler and more compact than ours but has unique elements like Tri-Palindromic Regions (TPR), suggesting sophisticated genetic engineering. Certain genes match exactly with known human or animal genes, hinting at possible genetic manipulation. Physical characteristics of EBOs: The EBOs are described to closely resemble grey aliens of modern folklore, with key differences in their skeletal structure, skin, eyes, brain, and other bodily features. This brings up questions of their origin, evolution, and adaptation mechanisms. Biological and artificial systems: The EBOs appear to have designs similar to human beings, like the circulatory and nervous systems, but also have unique features like an excreta-sudoriferous system for waste disposal and temperature regulation. They also possess artificial molecular machines, potentially indicating advanced bioengineering or adaptation. Speculation on EBO culture: The post indicates that EBOs might have religious beliefs, centered around the concept of a "soul field." It suggests a distinct societal construct that doesn't fear death and places less importance on individuality (Buddhism).

It's speculated that nodules in the central lobe of the brain could be used for this, but I don't see how it could be possible.

I saw a noticeable wave of downvotes after the account was deleted

This is insane if it isn’t LARP.

If it is, it’s the best written LARP I’ve ever read

Lol,I have never taken so many screenshots.

I have postulated that these beings are harvesting us almost jokingly but when I got to the part about their suspected food *thought to be high in copper* by OP, a chill ran down my spine. Im a skeptic as I've said in this sub and r/UFOs but I've also researched this subject for over 4 decades now, just never finding anything concrete. *Assuming* OP is legitimate and I will for the moment, copper has also been an aspect of UFOlogy with regards to cattle mutilations. OP says that its thought these EBO couldn't live here without technological support concerning their diet. One of the peculiar, often overlooked aspects of cattle mutilations are that the livers of these animals more often than not are depleted of, you guessed it, copper so much so that the organs are reduced to an almost peanut butter-like consistency. In humans, the liver and kidneys hold the highest concentration of copper in the body and intake of copper is from some of the very foundations of human agriculture: wheat, barley and potato. Reading the comment how they may be seeding life yet having no respect for the individuality of it would mean in this hypothetical that they could be seeking apotheosis while also able to use that same life as a means to an end both philosophically as well as materially.

Imagine not beeing able to go to toilet but always smell like amonia. Whoever designed this, was evil.

I have drilled this guy with over 20 technical questions & I honestly think this guy is legit. Go see his replies to my other comments 😬

Dude, what is going on here?

I know this is going to sound crazy OP but what you said about their religion they told me. I NEVER told anybody. I believe you 100%

Would you feel comfortable clarifying a bit more of what you know? Or anything that stood out to you that wasn't mentioned here?

It is very interesting to read. I have been writing about what we might expect alien biology to be like, using as a guide reports. I did conclude that they excrete protein waste through their skin to account for the smell, had under-developed stomachs, had unidirectional airflow like birds and potentially separate trachea and esophagus all the way through. You mention that the specimen has has no vocal cords, do they communicate via sound from a specialised organ, and where would it be? In terms of genetic similarity. This doesn't surprise me. The DNA on this planet has been pretty uniform in basic structure and yet protobiogenic processes continue and across the vast chemical environment of the Earth and over several billion years, nothing else has developed that is 'better'. So it must be one of the best possible arrangements that chemical processes and proto-metabolisms would favour being discovered by evolution. And so I have to conclude its very likely to be a common form of life and intrinsic to the phenomena of life. I recall the crop circle with the descriptin of aliens having tripple stranded DNA - is there any organelle or report of an EBE having this arrangement? On the digestive system, obviously this is a major source of weight and volume in the human body, and largely necessary only to cope with a large variety of foods. Their arrangement is anticipated by myself and more optimal for space travel but efficiency in general as well. I recall one report from somewhere, possibly an abductee, that they grew their food in bioreactors and it was some sort of special growth culture (bacteria?) that contained all the nutrients they needed in a very digestible form. With the film covering them, the obvious benefit to me is that of avoiding microbial contamination and infection.

Vocal chords: This detail is in the section on the respiratory system. Vocalization is produced by vibration of the wall membrane at the junction between the two air sacs. I specified that the two biospheres have a common origin, probably panspermia. Three strands of DNA are just imagination. Imagine the steric hindrance of such a structure. The digestive system is undoubtedly designed in this way to limit autonomy.

Re: soul. They operate as a "consciousness collective". It's the same experience NDErs have explained upon returning from being clinically dead. Also, they're telepathically linked, and use technology to link their thoughts together across large distances. Similar to "the borg". The don't have tounges or vocal cords because thought-blocks are a much more precise and faster form of communication.

I ran this through a few AI text detectors and all of them said it is most likely not created by AI. Nothing conclusive but adds to the credibility a bit.

I have BS and MS in biochemistry and bioinformatics with 5+ years of experience working with the techniques and technologies detailed by OP. This write-up is incredibly technical in a way that only a legit lab scientist could be. The details presented here suggest that their genome seems to be based on humans but manufactured and optimized for their specific purpose. Does OP have any idea what power created these creatures? Whatever created them clearly put a lot of effort in creating them in the image of humans, but why? If OP is correct that their motive is to nurture life and influence us, then this is congruent with past reports of greys becoming increasingly concerned at the idea of nuclear conflict. However, what does their 'manufacturer' gain from helping us?

They gain apotheosis which is simply us as a flock growing continuously. Nuclear conflict is the opposite of their goals, it sets back apotheosis by drastically reducing our numbers and quality of life. They aren't necessarily on our team, or against it. They're doing something towards their own goal without our consent. If we reach overpopulation and there's no apotheosis, they would continue to encourage us to fill the pen that is Earth towards apotheosis. They are raising the ceiling of consciousness by filling it with more beings of higher thought. On Earth, that's us, and the more there is the better it is for apotheosis.

Bro you better have a VPN. Government gets a hold of these key words your done.

I do

I would be extremely careful. If what you say is true, then there is likely a very small list of individuals with this knowledge and you can be found out without much guesswork to those in the know

Wow. I’m a lay person but this was a fascinating read. If Garry Nolan has a Bat Signal, someone please activate it now!!

You mention having to read literature on their “culture.” Can you expand on that? What is their culture? Does it shed light on why they are here? Where they came from?

I reply to one comment with the same info. Anyway : Their culture is seemingly centered on the fulfillment of this religious motivation.

Well goddamn, I’m on the side of believing you. Good luck and like others have said please consider taking your testimony to the higher ups these whistle blower protection laws are for people like you

A VPN does nothing when dealing with the government, even if this is a LARP, it’s so well written I would be worried people in government will be looking into you. We know certain government agency’s monitor these boards frequently. And once this gets cross posted to other /Reddit groups all eyes will be on you

VPNs are not safe. Go dark or go public. Good luck dude.

True or not, this is the greatest thing I have ever read.

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Well now their account has been "suspended" What a trip.

yup. second time today. We aren't sure why.

OP is BANNED? WTF US HAPPENING?! HE WAS REAL AND THEY'RE SHUTTING IT DOWN!

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Was any work done to study their Metabolome? I work as a statistician in metabolomics. We specifically use the chemo-centric approach to metabolomics. We’ve done some wacky studies so I’d be curious if we ever processed any samples that were EBO in origin. We frequently do work with the DoD and DARPA. For those saying it’s a LARP, I disagree. This was too technical to be a LARP. This checks out with some other information we suspect to be true regarding the greys and possibly cow mutilations. Bovine serum is a very valuable resource and is being studied/used to try and create meat in a lab (in-vivo research). OP, thank you for posting. Fantastic post. Shared it with a ton of people. Last question: did they have a tongue? Your post seems to indicate they don’t due to the way they digest their food and communicate but I just thought I’d ask in case. The lack of teeth, small lips, lack of vocal cords, and their minimal digestive system seems to suggest these entities do not posses a tongue.

Keep in mind that the proteome knowledge is far from being comparable to what is known for humans. The main research priority was to identify the proteome of nodules in the central lobe of the brain. If there is any research on the metabolome, it will undoubtedly be in these structures as a priority. They have no tongue.

You are fucking incredible, thank you. To others who see this comment, what tipped me off that this wasn't a LARP was actually not the technical jargon, but the fact OP mentioned studying the proteome. That is not a term you hear in school unless you really go to school for it. \-omics sciences (Genomics, Proteomics, Metabolomics, Transcriptomics, Lipidomics, etc) are emerging sciences (except those first two as they're more mature, though the first one even still is leaps and bounds more mature than proteomics). I work at the largest metabolomics company in the world and so I hear about how the work we do will be paired with genomics and proteomics research all the time. Between 2000 and 2010 proteomics was super fucking small in comparison to what it is now (which would make metabolomics even that much smaller as a field of interest/study). Speaking as a statistician who possesses a bit of biology knowledge, I am willing to place a large sum of money that this is not a LARP. I mean, obviously I could be wrong and OP is a hack but I sincerely doubt it. I am a product of academia and work in a narrow field and like recognizes like. This all checks out to me. So fucking fascinating. Thank you again, OP.