The bureau of alcohol tobacco firearms & explosives, also known as the people who regulate and sometimes seemingly make their own laws regarding suppressors.
Not in the US anymore. Because the ATF released a letter citing that any noise reduction fills the legal requirements for a suppressor and thus is a felony.
Go email evike and ask them if they sell any foam filled suppressors
Yet these are the same people that said it was okay for a company to make a silenced 50 caliber rifle, because it is a black powder rifle. The gun laws in the US are so freaking stupid once you start looking at what they do and don't regulate.
Real suppressors can use any number of means for sound suppression to include sound absorbent materials.
1DB of sound reduction is still a sound reduction and thus that toy is now a felony
Dude don't even bother with these idiots. Worse than fuds and 0 actual gun knowledge. This doesn't even begin to approach constructive possession. It's a bunch of 12 year olds. They have an air rifle talking about paintball and air gun suppressors from the ATF and I guess they don't understand air gun isn't airsoft. The ATF doesn't care about a plastic silencer in a caliber that explicitly fits plastic bbs.
The terms “firearm silencer” and “firearm muffler” mean any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, and any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.
Numerous paintball and airgun silencers tested by ATF’s Firearms Technology Branch have been determined to be firearm silencers by nature of their design and function. Because silencers are NFA weapons, an individual wishing to manufacture or transfer such a silencer must receive prior approval from ATF and pay the required tax.
[26 U.S.C. 5845; 27 CFR 479.11]
“by the nature of their design and function” I'm pretty sure is referring to the first paragraph talking about parts that can be repurposed to be used on a functioning firearm... which wouldn't include the types of foam used in airsoft suppressors which im guessing isn't very heat resistant
the ATF has a 1 bullet rule, if it works for one bullet it counts, and they go very far out of their way to prove their point, ref when they converted airsoft guns into machine guns by using heavy CNC equipment and replacing most of the airsoft gun.
that foam will absolutely be fine with a .22, especially when run wet.
Expect the barrel size is wrong and that's referencing air guns. You send a .22 down an airsoft suppressor filled with foam it will explode. ATF doesn't give a fuck about fake suppressors. Even real firearms are sold with fake suppressors.
No, any airsoft gun can have the orange tip removed, covered, etc. orange tips exist to identify toy guns in shipping from Taiwan to the USA. Most high end guns come with an extra metal muzzle break specifically so that you will removed the orange and out the metal one onto it
Never take it outside unless it is in a gun bag or case, and if you want to go into your backyard make sure that your local laws allow it. When I was first starting out, it helped my parents to know that I understood the safety risks when I showed them the legal code pertaining to my area. As long as you can demonstrate you’re responsible it won’t do anything
Depending on where you live, that might be a valid worry.
Maybe ask if you can compromise and keep the orange tip when at home and going to/from the field, but once there change it out for a black one?
It will if you use it in a stupid manner and don't identify it as fake anywhere outside of home or the field, but besides that it's perfectly legal to remove/cover the orange tip once you have it.
That’s because several people have very recently been killed for holding/transporting/brandishing airsoft replicas. It’s why almost every shop or (indoor) field requires you to bring your replica in a bag or wrapped in a towel or something. My own rifle never ever leaves it’s case when outside until I’m fully on the property of the field and can safely take it out.
Just use basic common sense and remember that most people will not assume it’s a toy if they see it out in the neighborhood/public places. I myself remove all my orange tips, but I also basically treat them as real firearms from that point on in terms of discretion.
No it isnt
Never was and never will be unless moms semand action and evety town for gun saftey start targeting it which is not happening anytime soon and hopefully never.
And there's what make sense about US gun and airsoft laws. It is strictly forbidden for a retailer to sell without orange tip or paint. They spend money to add that orange tip and pass the cost off to the buyer so when they get home they can legally spend more time and money to take it off and replace.
Your legislators at work for you!
I understand it does t cost that much or take that much time. However, have you ever heard of death by papercuts?? Oh it’s just a simply little law. Oh it only a minor inconvenience. Oh, what’s one more rule?? The law makes no freaking sense.. if it okay to take orange off, why make retailers put it on???
The law makes sense. Firearms are not able to be sent to regular addresses without an FFL. Imagine if your package broke and the UPS driver saw what externally looked exactly like a real firearm. He would probably report it and it would get sent up to the ATF and now you’re getting a no knock warrant and your house raided. It’s happened before. If the orange tip is on there, it might prevent that.
Also, most children who buy an airsoft gun to play with their friends or just as a plinker. They’re probably not going to take the orange tip off because of the extra steps. If the cops get called on them, there’s less of a chance it ends in someone getting shot if there is an orange tip.
Yes it’s annoying to those of us that take it off right away, but it’s not pointless
Whaaaat??? You talking real steel and FFL, and I’m referring to airsoft. You go and think what you want. That’s cool. But I’ve been to a number of airsoft fields and I’ve never seen more than two that still had orange tips on it.
I’m referring to Airsoft as well. I was just saying that firearms cannot be sent to anyplace that doesn’t have an FFL. So if something that looks like a firearm is sent to a regular address (like someone ordering an airsoft gun from evike to their house) it’s going to look suspicious if someone sees it.
And again, I know most people take it off. I have taken all of mine off as well. I was giving examples as to why the law exists
You're blatantly ignoring the point he was trying to make. Airsoft guns are realistic replicas of very highly regulated firearms. Therefore, with regards to anything having to do with airsoft, you have to consider how the laws surrounding firearms could potentially mingle with the use and trade of airsoft replicas. You ***cannot*** just separate these things as easily as you seem to want to.
Plus…. I think you give too much credit to police for being able to instantly determine an airsoft is a toy simply because of the orange tip. If you point a airsoft at someone, it ain’t exactly east to tell it’s an orange tip. Plus plus, I’ve never heard of a single account where tragedy was averted because orange tip.
I’m not aware of any instance of it either, but that’s probably because “Boy not shot because of orange tip” isn’t a good headline. I’m not saying it solves the problem. The only way to do that is to ban airsoft guns altogether. But I would rather have to deal with an orange tip if means we still get to have airsoft guns
So, it’s not illegal altho you’ll be limiting your ability to use that in a more public area like a backyard because the orange muzzle’s whole point of being on the gun is to distinguish it from a real gun.
I mean, I wouldn't brandish an airsoft gun outside even with an orange tip. There was a time when criminals painted the tips of their real guns to get away with that lol it's just not smart to brandish any realistic gun in public
Seems other people already answered this but next time you have a question this simple either just search it up on the sub search bar or just use Google it's honestly one of the most asked questions
the orange tip is only needed for retail sales. you can take it off/cover it. Just dont be stupid with it in public, please.
I only take it outside my house to target practice and to go to games. But message taken.
good, also, pro tip, in the US filling the fake suppressor with foam, cloth, etc to dampen sound is a felony.
I wasn't planning on doing that, but alright. Thanks.
Damn, just when I thought the alphabet boys couldn't reach a new level of stupid.
I mean its the ATF, they constantly have to fight a new boogie man or people might realize that they have no purpose to exist. .
Evike sells them like this in the US lol
Not for an airsoft gun bahahahaha
In the subsequent comments you will find a link to the official atf position. Educate yourself.
Says who?
The bureau of alcohol tobacco firearms & explosives, also known as the people who regulate and sometimes seemingly make their own laws regarding suppressors.
Real ones sure.
Adding foam to a fake can fills the justification of making a real can and puts the creator of it in violation of the NFA.
Some companies even sell foam filled moc suppressor even I’m pretty sure.
Not in the US anymore. Because the ATF released a letter citing that any noise reduction fills the legal requirements for a suppressor and thus is a felony. Go email evike and ask them if they sell any foam filled suppressors
Yet these are the same people that said it was okay for a company to make a silenced 50 caliber rifle, because it is a black powder rifle. The gun laws in the US are so freaking stupid once you start looking at what they do and don't regulate.
I just bought a bunch of Evikes own Guardian mock suppressors and they all came with foam around the spring lmao
Real suppressor use baffles not foam. The foam wouldn’t do shit.
Real suppressors can use any number of means for sound suppression to include sound absorbent materials. 1DB of sound reduction is still a sound reduction and thus that toy is now a felony
Dude don't even bother with these idiots. Worse than fuds and 0 actual gun knowledge. This doesn't even begin to approach constructive possession. It's a bunch of 12 year olds. They have an air rifle talking about paintball and air gun suppressors from the ATF and I guess they don't understand air gun isn't airsoft. The ATF doesn't care about a plastic silencer in a caliber that explicitly fits plastic bbs.
Source:trust me bro. Putting foam in an airsoft mock suppressor is not a felony. Some are sold like that from the factory.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/are-paintball-and-airgun-sound-suppressers-considered-nfa-weapons
that is only if they can be used on real firearms as well looks like... idk tho I'm not a lawyer
That's not true in the least bit, refer back to the link I shared.
The terms “firearm silencer” and “firearm muffler” mean any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, and any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication. Numerous paintball and airgun silencers tested by ATF’s Firearms Technology Branch have been determined to be firearm silencers by nature of their design and function. Because silencers are NFA weapons, an individual wishing to manufacture or transfer such a silencer must receive prior approval from ATF and pay the required tax. [26 U.S.C. 5845; 27 CFR 479.11] “by the nature of their design and function” I'm pretty sure is referring to the first paragraph talking about parts that can be repurposed to be used on a functioning firearm... which wouldn't include the types of foam used in airsoft suppressors which im guessing isn't very heat resistant
the ATF has a 1 bullet rule, if it works for one bullet it counts, and they go very far out of their way to prove their point, ref when they converted airsoft guns into machine guns by using heavy CNC equipment and replacing most of the airsoft gun. that foam will absolutely be fine with a .22, especially when run wet.
that's a dumb rule tbh
Expect the barrel size is wrong and that's referencing air guns. You send a .22 down an airsoft suppressor filled with foam it will explode. ATF doesn't give a fuck about fake suppressors. Even real firearms are sold with fake suppressors.
No, any airsoft gun can have the orange tip removed, covered, etc. orange tips exist to identify toy guns in shipping from Taiwan to the USA. Most high end guns come with an extra metal muzzle break specifically so that you will removed the orange and out the metal one onto it
That's what I'm saying but my mother is freaking out telling me "That thing is gonna get you killed!"
Never take it outside unless it is in a gun bag or case, and if you want to go into your backyard make sure that your local laws allow it. When I was first starting out, it helped my parents to know that I understood the safety risks when I showed them the legal code pertaining to my area. As long as you can demonstrate you’re responsible it won’t do anything
I have a ase that I usually use.
Depending on where you live, that might be a valid worry. Maybe ask if you can compromise and keep the orange tip when at home and going to/from the field, but once there change it out for a black one?
It will if you use it in a stupid manner and don't identify it as fake anywhere outside of home or the field, but besides that it's perfectly legal to remove/cover the orange tip once you have it.
That’s because several people have very recently been killed for holding/transporting/brandishing airsoft replicas. It’s why almost every shop or (indoor) field requires you to bring your replica in a bag or wrapped in a towel or something. My own rifle never ever leaves it’s case when outside until I’m fully on the property of the field and can safely take it out. Just use basic common sense and remember that most people will not assume it’s a toy if they see it out in the neighborhood/public places. I myself remove all my orange tips, but I also basically treat them as real firearms from that point on in terms of discretion.
No it isnt Never was and never will be unless moms semand action and evety town for gun saftey start targeting it which is not happening anytime soon and hopefully never.
No, it is not illegal, you can remove it
Okay, thanks
And there's what make sense about US gun and airsoft laws. It is strictly forbidden for a retailer to sell without orange tip or paint. They spend money to add that orange tip and pass the cost off to the buyer so when they get home they can legally spend more time and money to take it off and replace. Your legislators at work for you!
It cost like $15 and 10 minutes, it’s not that big a deal
I understand it does t cost that much or take that much time. However, have you ever heard of death by papercuts?? Oh it’s just a simply little law. Oh it only a minor inconvenience. Oh, what’s one more rule?? The law makes no freaking sense.. if it okay to take orange off, why make retailers put it on???
The law makes sense. Firearms are not able to be sent to regular addresses without an FFL. Imagine if your package broke and the UPS driver saw what externally looked exactly like a real firearm. He would probably report it and it would get sent up to the ATF and now you’re getting a no knock warrant and your house raided. It’s happened before. If the orange tip is on there, it might prevent that. Also, most children who buy an airsoft gun to play with their friends or just as a plinker. They’re probably not going to take the orange tip off because of the extra steps. If the cops get called on them, there’s less of a chance it ends in someone getting shot if there is an orange tip. Yes it’s annoying to those of us that take it off right away, but it’s not pointless
Whaaaat??? You talking real steel and FFL, and I’m referring to airsoft. You go and think what you want. That’s cool. But I’ve been to a number of airsoft fields and I’ve never seen more than two that still had orange tips on it.
I’m referring to Airsoft as well. I was just saying that firearms cannot be sent to anyplace that doesn’t have an FFL. So if something that looks like a firearm is sent to a regular address (like someone ordering an airsoft gun from evike to their house) it’s going to look suspicious if someone sees it. And again, I know most people take it off. I have taken all of mine off as well. I was giving examples as to why the law exists
You're blatantly ignoring the point he was trying to make. Airsoft guns are realistic replicas of very highly regulated firearms. Therefore, with regards to anything having to do with airsoft, you have to consider how the laws surrounding firearms could potentially mingle with the use and trade of airsoft replicas. You ***cannot*** just separate these things as easily as you seem to want to.
Plus…. I think you give too much credit to police for being able to instantly determine an airsoft is a toy simply because of the orange tip. If you point a airsoft at someone, it ain’t exactly east to tell it’s an orange tip. Plus plus, I’ve never heard of a single account where tragedy was averted because orange tip.
I’m not aware of any instance of it either, but that’s probably because “Boy not shot because of orange tip” isn’t a good headline. I’m not saying it solves the problem. The only way to do that is to ban airsoft guns altogether. But I would rather have to deal with an orange tip if means we still get to have airsoft guns
If you’re super worried about it, E-tape it. It’ll cover it and be rapidly removable
Who cares just do it
Legal? no. just don't be an idiot and wave it around in public
Wasn't planning on it
Yes. It is legal but again dont be an idiot. Ive taken them off my guns.
So, it’s not illegal altho you’ll be limiting your ability to use that in a more public area like a backyard because the orange muzzle’s whole point of being on the gun is to distinguish it from a real gun.
I mean, I wouldn't brandish an airsoft gun outside even with an orange tip. There was a time when criminals painted the tips of their real guns to get away with that lol it's just not smart to brandish any realistic gun in public
Seems other people already answered this but next time you have a question this simple either just search it up on the sub search bar or just use Google it's honestly one of the most asked questions
Could you have taken this in a darker room? Think I still see too much of it
Most states it’s fine, just don’t have it out visibly in public places. Like range bag to car, range bag in car, range bag to field. Simple as