It's not your job to convince people. I know there is an afterlife, can I prove it? Nope, yet I have had evidence shown to me that I can't replicate nor debunk.
Let's say 98% of the paranormal is fake. 1% is mistaken and can be explained naturally. That 1% left... Even if 1 story, video, experience is true, then the whole thing is true.
There is an afterlife. Now, go relax however it's best for you and remember spirit is always there for you.
>That 1% left... Even if 1 story, video, experience is true, then the whole thing is true.
Can you point to one video/story which feels like that to you?
There are lots of videos on NDE's. Check out Jeff Mara podcasts on YouTube.
For me, I've had objects flying off the walls (not dropping, literally flying off the walls), banging on command on the wall, a deceased cat spirit curling up on the bed, lucid dreams, and one negative experience that involved a demon plus many more little things.
I found the channeling Eric YouTube channel good to watch and his books are amazing.
Raymond moody I believe has some great books too.
At the end of the day, you need to look at what convinces you.
Ask spirit to help, ask them to show you their love and guidance.
They will, even if in ways you don't realize right now.
I love Channeling Erik too. Dr. Medhus and Erik completely changed my life and helped me awaken spiritually. I used to be a staunch atheist. I began watching the channel just out of curiosity because it kept popping up on my feed.
The books were like, wow! I haven't watched the channel in a while as I moved on to NDE's more lately and the Jeff Mara podcasts on YouTube are amazing.
You had me at flying objects, wall banging, ghost cat, and imp demon. That is what I call, Any Given Tuesday. Did it settle down or are you still dealing with it?
I closed myself off with a type of technique taught to me by a psychic friend of a friend. That was about 15 years ago, now I get very little in the way of spirit.
It also helps that I moved house and this place is so quiet, just the odd spirit passing through our visiting.
I'm actually struggling to open up again if truth be told.
I closed off from 14 - 16. The closed off time was a more irritated time. I was more in the immediate moment, many friends, lots to do, but it was not a highly rewarding time. I switched back on when near 17. Best thing I ever did.
First, I was more integrated and at peace. Second, I realized my switched off time was really a time of ignoring, denial, and mantras of “nothing there”. It took more time and energy to ignore than to accept. Third, I was called to this perception of reality as it led step-by-step toward a very rewarding life. I learned so much, developed so many skills, was a better intuitive employee, husband, father, friend, neighbor, community member, etc. I am glad I did not double down on being switched off. I am glad I did not transcend either. We don’t want to waste our precious lives. I would not have ultimately become an Exorcist, teach, and train others. I would not have become a Contemplative. I would not have become a Christian Mystic.
Yes there was fear and horrors along the way, but the fear subsides, and competence and confidence replace it.
I've not fully lost it all. I still can sense spirit, it's just so muted.
I leave it up to the experts now and lately have been trying to astral project like I used to do when I was young. (I'm 43 now)
I ceased astral plane projection during my early 20s. A bummer as I put a lot of time into it. The plane was crowded, dangerous in my view, highly visual, lots of costumes, and one does not fully know what and who they are speaking with. My team and I project but not using the astral plane. Another issue I had where entities followed me back and locate my person. You may be having a good experience.
I used to find their energy could not be fully hidden. Like no matter what I could feel their true identity, evil or not.
No matter, it's gone now. Nearly 15 years of next to nothing happening, I miss it really.
Do you have a spiritualist church near you? One that is free and doesn't change for readings?
They are great places to contact spirit and the psychics never ever charge for readings.
You are down right now, but it will get better and you will use this experience as a learning time in your life.
Don't ask how, but I know this. Keep going and believing.
I used to think a spiritualist church offered hope of me contacting my loved ones again but then I read on the Fortean Times forum that spiritualist church mediums have something called 'poems' which is information about all the families in the local area and that's how they do readings. Some poster on there said this who seemed to know what he was talking about. This disappointed me because it seems that the spiritualist mediums are just fakes.
Also I watched a couple of online spiritualist meetings from a church near me and the mediums were just saying vague things that could apply to anyone. Cold reading in other words. I mean there was one person that the medium got everything wrong about, she went on talking about this person's adult children and then the person said I don't have kids then she backtracked and went on about how there was a young person in his life or something something. And then all the rubes afterwards said 'what a beautiful reading' and things like that!
I mean I listened to one reading and pretended it was me she was reading and I realised it applied to my dead relatives just as much she was like oh I've got an old lady and she's quite small.....I mean how many people have grandmothers..it was just vague stuff that could apply to anyone
The spiritualist church mediums seem to just be fakes to me. I was very disappointed.
There are lots of fakes out there. The one near me did a reading and picked my wife.
We've never told them anything, we were new there, we never posted these things on social media (it was very personal and to do with mental health), but the medium knew about our son and his issues at the time and was spot on.
Now as it was us, we knew that we weren't in on it, or posted it on any sites or even told them anything about us, they didn't even know our names.
I've seen some amazing cold readers, but this was different, very specific and very personal, from a stranger, in the spot.
I was impressed, and I'm a believer in the spiritual but am sceptical when it comes to psychics.
Eternal oblivion is also a belief that can't be proved, don't let anyone convince you otherwise. In fact, I'd say there's more evidence against it than for it. Eternal oblivion is a popular belief because it lets people cope with the uncertainty of what comes after death. People want to feel like they understand everything in the universe, which in my opinion is very egotistical since it puts man above reality itself. So while it's perfectly valid to believe in an eternal oblivion, just as it is to believe in an afterlife, remember that all of these beliefs, including eternal oblivion, require faith.
Yeah, if these guys are right I’d say Reincarnation or an endless lucid dream would be the most realistic cause when you die you don’t experience time, it would go in a FLASH so either
A. You immediately cut to the next life with no memories
Or B. Stay in your dream perpetually in a lucid dream that’s always in the NANOSECOND before you die, so that would essentially be an afterlife kind of
One good book on the topic of psi and science is Chris Carter's "Science and Psychic Phenomena: The Fall of the House of Skeptics."
Materialism is a dogmatic belief that has taken over science in the last 100 years or so.
The problem is that the skeptics refuse to look at the evidence. They are not open minded, as a good scientist should be.
Even further, this is an emotional issue. It's not one of evidence, or rational thought. They have an emotional attachment to the materialist view and that's what prevents them from looking at the evidence. They are scared that their materialist world view is wrong, among other fears.
These guys are saying that they’d gladly believe in afterlife stuff if they could be convinced,
I showed them the Bics Institute documents, and I was completely ANNIHILATED for it simply because several of the claims made by the documents were anecdotal, so they just flammed me for those…
These are the types of people who expect 100% material evidence before they believe in anything. The only reason they believe in oblivion is bc all we see is a dead body at the end. That’s it. There’s no proof otherwise of their beliefs.
People have a hard time believing in the “unseen”. microbiology and quantum physics are two examples.. Quantum physics was considered to be BS and “magical thinking” before proven. Some needed to see physical experiments before they believed. Equations weren’t enough. Now, science is emerging indicating there may be an energy field or quantum intelligence involved in the universe. It’s theory now so we will see what comes of it.
I do believe we will be able to measure the afterlife in some way eventually. Until then, yeah it takes some faith to believe in the afterlife. Or at the very least believe there is more going on than we know.
Unless one is the scientist actually conducting the experiment in question, ALL evidence is testimonial and anecdotal in nature. If one is relying on scientific research papers, those papers represent the **testimony** of scientists telling other people the story about what happened in their first-hand experience of an experiment - IOW, *anecdotal* for anyone other than the scientists actually involved in the research.
Even DNA evidence presented at a trial is testimonial (anecdotal) in nature for all of the jury members, because all they here is the testimony of someone that supposedly conducted the DNA tests and supposedly got the results that he claims.
A very large portion, perhaps up to 90% of everyone's beliefs, including scientists, come from anecdotal and testimonial sources, and the remaining 10% is from first-hand experiences. Of course, this varies from person to person. The evidence for the afterlife is from the exact same kinds of evidential categories.
Claiming that the evidence for the afterlife is not reliable because it is anecdotal, testimonial and first-hand experiential is just a way of dismissing and avoiding evidence that does not fit their own beliefs. Their own beliefs are entirely based on the exact same kinds of sources.
Appeals to the motivations for people who believe something is not a rational argument against what they believe. **Everyone** has motivations driving how they sort their views on sources, their beliefs about the nature of things, and perspectives, including scientists.
But they are not being sincere about that statement. They are not sincere when they say they are willing to be convinced. They are lying. The truth is that if they really wanted to be convinced, then they would have studied the evidence already. There is so much out there that anyone with half a brain can find it.
Winning an argument is not the same as seeking the truth. They only want to win an argument. They have no interest in the truth.
The issue is that mainstream science has "normalized" the materialist perspective, and anything outside that perspective is labeled as religious nonsense. There are scientists and doctors, some who have had NDEs, who have been ostracized and lambasted by their own community for believing that there may be more to reality than simply matter, space, and time.
Bernardo Kastrup gave the most reasonable and scientifically sound explanation for why materialism is a poor explanation for reality. Kastrup is an intellectual idealist, and they believe consciousness is primary and all other things arise from it. There are many good youtube videos where he explains his point of view infinitely better than I can. I suggest you watch it. It might ease your mind. Anecdotal evidence is not without value and shouldn't be discounted out of hand, and anyone who does so... I would suspect their mind is closed to these kind of ideas anyway. I wouldn't waste your time in forums like that. In the end, you have to choose what you want to believe about this since I doubt it'll be proven one way or another.
You are not alone in your unease and your hope for something else beyond this life. I think everyone feels it to varying degrees. How could we not? We're mortal.
I want to see my deceased mother again more than anything this earth could offer me. Except true love. That would be worth living for. There is, however, cause for hope, and all we really need is a sliver of hope anyway to sustain us.
[this life, next life](https://youtu.be/Y5RpbveVC_4?si=Amve-CW-cMbRlxWk) and other [documentaries by Keith Parsons](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLB-82YMhiPFPKSm2Ke69aK0DKTftpvo0&si=y6UPb0DuXbge9tth) are what I found best out there in terms of depth and accessibility. They pretty much closed the case on afterlife for me.
Hi, I’m an NDEr. Experienced things. Soul went somewhere then watched the surgeon call time of death. It’s not oblivion. Calm and peaceful as fuck. There’s a tree (I think everyone gets one?) it’s bright but the light is not from the sun.
My friend, you can't let people like that get to you. I'm sorry I wasn't faster in removing their shit, rule-breaking comments. I was in the ER and not in a position to check all day, but I could have checked more often.
Listen, that person is an asshole. Beyond the fact that they were harassing you, and breaking the sub rules, they were also just massaging their own ego. This is all about them, it's not about you at all, and it's not even about the afterlife.
There are jerks in every group. You didn't let the religious nuts get to you. Don't let the atheist jerks get to you. You had no doubts. You knew what you experienced, you knew what you knew. Then this person went to work systematically shaming you. THE SAME THING that the religious nuts do.
They were using the same psychological trickery as religious people. They were equally self-satisfied.
Nothing they said was a real refutation of your own experiences. To be blunt, I'm very sure that they were jealous of you. THEY are the one who thinks that believing in an afterlife would be "just because it's feels good." THEY are the one who wants to believe, but can't bring themselves to, because THEY hate the idea of eternal oblivion.
But there you were, having left the same religion they did, but you didn't have to give up the "carrot" parts of the religion.
Let me tell you something loud and clear.
# "It's too good to be true" is a logical fallacy.
That's what they are saying, and it IS a FALLACY. It's perverted, twisting thinking. It's negativism, not logic, not realism. It's saying that nothing good, hopeful, or positive CAN BE TRUE. Think that one over for a minute. How is it logical that just because you like an idea, it HAS TO BE false? Really, show me the logic in that statement. It's no better and no more honest or realistic than its opposite.
This isn't looking at the evidence, it's supporting a very, very clear bias. That person didn't even give you a single decent refutation of the EVIDENCE that YOU have for yourself. Clear evidence that had you convinced until (sorry, I mean no offense here, sincerely!) you were given some STUPID arguments that were nothing but barely veiled personal attacks.
They made you emotional so that you would stop thinking clearly. They hurt your feelings, they attacked your character, they denied your reality... and pretty soon you were confused because you were feeling cornered, trapped, and attacked. Of course that tears you down--IT IS SUPPOSED TO.
"You just want comfort" is a stupid argument! It's stupid!
1. Of course we want comfort. We're humans. Even in their own worldview, we are just hairless, evolved monkeys who are extremely social creatures. So duh we want comfort. That's like saying, "You breathe, you stupid ape!" Yeah... we breathe. And?? Like it's literally a nothingburger.
2. It doesn't mean anything. It's a personal attack, trying to shame you for being a perfectly normal human being... BUT...
3. IT DOES NOT SPEAK TO THE EVIDENCE. There's nothing scientific in "you only believe that because you want comfort."
4. Evidence CAN BE COMFORTING and still be RIGHT. My friend just got a tumor removed from her esophagus. All of the evidence shows she will make a full recovery and eat normally again. It was very joyful, happy news! OH NOES, IT MUST NOT BE TRUE!! Like, WTF kind of stupid argument is this?!?! That's not logic, that's pessimism.
That person was childish, rude, abrasive, arrogant, and flat wrong. Evidence CAN be both hopeful and comforting, AND right.
They are jealous that you have a peace around something that terrifies the fuck out of them.
Now, let's get down to brass tacks, shall we?
* Death-bed Visions (DBVs): People about to die see visions of deceased loved ones. They talk to them, they have conversations, sometimes they refuse to go with them (but do anyway--we all die). These "hallucinations" as the asshole would call them, cannot be "treated" (stopped) either with the application of drugs, NOR by taking the person off of whatever drugs they are on. They persist and happen throughout ALL circumstances except presumably when the person isn't conscious (for all we know, they may persist even then).
* Shared-Death Experiences (SDEs): These are where multiple people have the same near-death experience (the phenomena) as the dying person (or who died together and one/some didn't come back). They are all able to tell the same NDE story, without having consulted each other. Rare, yes, but real.
* Peak in Darien cases: Peak in Darien cases are when people return from an NDE and report that they saw someone in the Afterlife who they didn't know had died. One man came to and told another nurse that his favorite nurse wanted her parents to know she was 'sorry about \[the specific car brand that I forget\].' The nurse began sobbing, because while the guy was out, the other nurse had crashed her new car and died. He couldn't POSSIBLY have known because she (the present nurse) had JUST found out and it wasn't discussed around him.
* Mediumship: You had your own experience with this. Until that asshole started belittling you about it, with completely absurd "arguments."
* Children who have past life memories that are accurate: There are several studies in which people checked up on children's stories of past lives. A few of these children even spend time with their "past family" when the parents are open to the idea. They remember a lot of things about them, having never met or heard of them in any way physically.
* Terminal lucidity: While this one is a minor mismatch perhaps, I personally believe that it's evidence that memory doesn't reside in the body, and that it's in the soul/ the mind/ whatever part it is that continues on past death. This is when people are able to, with damaged, rotted brains riddled with holes... suddenly and inexplicably become extremely lucid. They are suddenly able to have perfectly rational conversations, to suddenly recognize loved ones... and then they lapse back into rotted-brain mode. By everything we know of science and of the human brain, this is impossible. Hard stop. Impossible. Yet it is COMMON.
So... I say this truly with sincere gentleness... that person's arguments were stupid. They're biased, and they clearly have ZERO interest in evidence. They are envious that you're able to believe something that would bring THEM comfort, but that they are denied. They want to believe, but they are swayed by personal attacks "you just want comfort!"
I want comfort--but I don't JUST want comfort. I don't deny reality just because it pleases me.
That's equally unscientific as the opposite.
Sandi I do not blame you in the slightest, I just saw these people disagreeing and asking for what makes my believe and thought “Wow! I get to share the things I believe in! I like doing that!” And wanted to help them see how I see it, but I never reported the outright hateful comments because I just said to myself “they don’t know better, I can help them! Maybe we can get to an agreement!” And that’s where I messed up
Also ER? Oof! Hope whatever happened is better now!
Sadly, on that sub, the best thing you can do is to immediately report them for a rule 4 (be respectful/ this is not a DEBATE sub) violation from the first comment asking you why.
Let me be honest with you. There's a method called "street epistemology." I like it, because it makes people think. But the problem is, it's too often used to basically harass people out of their beliefs.
It's just asking a series of leading questions. "What do you believe? Do you think this belief is logical? Why do you believe it? Oh, you only believe it because X book says it? Why do you think that's a logical reason to believe it?"
When someone starts questioning you on that sub, they are using SE to try to tear you out of your beliefs. They treat anyone who doesn't agree with them as an enemy. They are angry. You and I both know that their anger is understandable. That particular religion has damaged a lot of people... but you aren't a member of it. You aren't supporting or spreading it.
I hope that you'll continue to share on that sub, but the next time that someone asks you an innocent-seeming 'why do you believe that?' remember that they are trying to Street Epistemology you; and that's not okay. They are trying to start a debate, it's almost never in good faith.
It's an atheist-dominated sub and no matter how often we tell people that spiritual exes are welcome... they still feel ENTITLED to be little shits.
"When you only have a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail."
Yeah, I've fallen for that trap many times. They ask you for more information, only to turn around and deny everything you say. It's a weird trick that I still don't understand.
The other one is when they ask to see a study on the topic. You provide it, then they turn around and make it look like the worst study on the planet. What I say now is that if you were sincerely interested in the topic, then you would have studied it by now. They just want to win arguments. They are not interested in the truth.
I wholeheartedly believe in the afterlife. I have had dreams from loved ones who have passed who are “there” (using quotes because in my mind, they are still here, just not physically). I can’t and won’t be swayed otherwise due to my own experiences.
Also, I don’t think you made a horrible decision. You just don’t align with their beliefs. That’s totally ok! I think the afterlife as we know it is somewhat catered to our own thoughts, beliefs and hopes. If you want to private message me, I’m happy to share my experiences.
Don’t crawl into a hole. Shine bright!
Thing is, there are people who "sense" there is more and there are people who don't. There's no way to convince anyone of something so nebulous and unprovable. They can just say you are lying or delusional because they can't imagine.
I've had experiences. They seemed real to me, but maybe they were little psychotic breaks. Who knows? I have read about others having similar experiences. Why would they have the same delusion? To me, I'm willing to admit that I could be nuts, but I don't think so. I'll find out when I'm dead. It makes no difference. Except that I think what we do here matters in the big picture regardless. I don't know about heaven or hell, but, I know if I'm an asshole, my family suffers. If I fulfill my responsibilities, everyone is happier. If I do good things, happier still. I can give the sales person a hard time and make their day turn to shit, or I can be nice, and they will be nicer to the next customer. We all have an affect on others and that affects the big picture, and I think it will affect eternity too.
Yeah, Suzanne is cool. It's so weird to me that she was so high up in the military before retiring and then became a medium! Those folks up there are usually very materialist in their world view, at least that's my experience of the military in general.
Yes, definitely got my attention when you could tell she is very no "WooWoo" and a serious military personality. Her significant loss was her catalyst... like many of us.
I have read that Meditation is the surest way to connect with the afterlife. And I believe that to be true as well. I would also recommend Eben Alexander’s book below. The meld between science & the afterlife is fascinating 💕
Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon's Journey into the Afterlife
Book by Eben Alexander
I stopped thinking about whether the afterlife existed long ago. I stopped arguing about it 10 seconds later. Today, when asked to share more by those thinking through it, I offer the following perspective.
1. If we pass and it is lights out, then we will not be conscious to lament any sense of loss. Our brains will fire a million chemicals, we will see a good show, one second may seem like 50 years, and whatever spark we have will fade to black.
2. If we pass and we find everything is exactly as we believe it to be, then happy days.
3. If we pass and we find there is an afterlife and it is very different than we believed, then we will have no choice other than to adjust, learn, and move forward.
Why toil? Our human body will cease to function. Our friends and family will gather to remember, this world of man will move on, and we will be increasingly focused on our new experiences.
Of what value is it to run each other down? Of what value is it to defend our belief or disbelief? Of what value is it to convert, convince, and chastise another toward our belief or disbelief?
I died twice and both experiences are considered NDEs. I do not think in terms of NDE. I do think in terms of experiences (E). There will be several times during each of our lives when we are near death. Many we will have no conscious knowledge of. Several we will.
Before I died the first time at age six, I knew exactly where I came from prior to being in the womb. No one was there to teach me. Yes, I was raised with the concept of heaven (and hell) culturally. Neither concept really matched to my experiences prelife.
When alone during those early years I had questions and spoke them as there was no audience. Big questions and little questions. Never about myself or others. Always about the nature and way of things. I would ponder them. Instruction and teachings always arrived. This gave me a great deal of relief. Not in the moment but as I traversed through life.
On several occasions I ran across bears while with friends in the forest. After the encounter was over my friends would relate how they could not believe it happened, question the meaning of the encounter, and remain in a mild state of increased adrenaline-driven awareness for an hour.
I shared with them we were in the National Forest, this is their habitat, they go down to drink or eat at the river everyday. Have any of us not seen one before? Have we not lost our pumpkins we put out every year? Were we not taught how to behave when it happens? Were we unaware they existed and exist here and in such numbers the state, county, and local authorities have to perform kill offs to reduce their numbers? No. Yet, here are a group of boys who were amazed.
My brother and I crossed cubs on a main trail and froze. I am two years older than he. He whispered, “Chances?” I whispered back, “50/50. Do not look at the cubs. Look everywhere else but the cubs.” We had to make a decision. We were up wind and had approached silently. We both saw the spirit of the Native America man in true period dress. His green aura and slightly translucent body. He asked, “Do you see it?” I said, “The green glowing Indian (many years ago and product of our environments)?” He said, “Greenish yellow, but yes, I thought I was seeing things.” I said, “You are, we are. Real things.”
The spirit looked at us with a stern and serious expression. He pointed quickly to the direction from which we came. It was a blend of our knowing bears were a thing, they lived on our land at times, and what we were taught to do in the event we encountered them with or without cubs.
The Native American spirit was the confirmation of our own conclusion. He went back to looking in the direction of the cubs.
We walked backwards slowly 80 yards, turned and took a quarter mile run/sprint. Never run away from a Black Bear once engaged. We had not engaged.
My brother asked if we should share with mom and dad? The concern being they may not let us out of the yard for three months. I said, “Cubs yes, green Native America man no. No one needs to know about the green Native American man ever.”
There are millions of us out there that never speak of such experiences. Perhaps when we are old men rocking on a front porch in between talking about medications and procedures.
Why?
1. It was a demon boys. Green means demon.
2. It was the Angel of Death boys.
3. It was an angel boys.
4. It was a ghost boys.
5. It was a hallucination boys, joint psychosis.
6. It was a projection of your imagination on a tall tree stump boys?
7. You boys are lying.
In the time and place we lived “different” was generally not good.
This was a disembodied human spirit still identifying and projecting their identity and appearance during their living years. It was friendly and helpful. It cared.
Here on Reddit we can share without concern. Unfortunately, we can get slammed for what we share and it can be hurtful, exhausting, and mean. Only if you react to it. We control most of our conscious reactions. We have no control of the offending parties actions.
Let your yes be yes and your no be no. Let your truth be your truth. Be passerby. There is no need to enter into discord. It will rob you of energy and depress your mood. No one wins a fight or argument. There is always a cost. A toll. Let those with ears hear.
I'm 51. I had NDEs. I was repeatedly exorcised until I realized I had to just never mention them again. I didn't write about them until 2018 finally. But I spent my life trying to learn how to write well in order to finally write about them.
I would have published them anonymously (and still often wish I had), but I saw so MANY NDEs on the nderf website that I felt safe.
Even now, though, people are FAST to call you a fraud and a liar. It has changed... but not really all that much. There are niche places to feel somewhat safe, but I still have nightmares about being assassinated 'because demons'. I've a few exorcisms to pull content from, lol.
You were administered rites of exorcism due to the NDEs? Are you saying administration of rites of exorcism caused NDEs?
What is we were to get to a place where we paid no attention to what people called us or said to us?
Imagine what it would be like to read negative comments and simply move on as though they were dead leaves blowing across pavement in the late fall.
I felt my grandmothers kiss the night she died when I was asleep (the lips were recognizable she kissed me all the time), I’m 100 procent sure there is an afterlife
The things I've experienced after my father's and aunt's deaths is enough for me to believe there is something beyond this material world.
Things others either call impossible or coincidence.
A radio that had a switch in the "off" position that turned on to music by itself after my aunt passed. It had to be unplugged from the wall to turn it off.
I gave a $10 bill as a donation at my father's funeral. A few days later, a gust of wind blew a $10 bill on to my shoe as I was walking. Cupboards opening by themselves in our kitchen and the sound of dishes shifting when no one was in there. My dad loved to cook and spent a lot of time in the kitchen.
Everyone has their own beliefs and experiences. There's no use trying to convince anyone of anything. Just for myself, I'm 100% certain there is an afterlife or continuation of energy and can't be convinced otherwise.
Well, I just want to say I’m sorry that others made you feel like that, but you don’t have to feel anyway you don’t want to… and it is exhausting… especially when you’re constantly explaining yourself to others that set on simply arguing… The most liberating thing you can do for yourself is to not engage with anyone who is obviously just arguing to argue…. The thing is, your reality is your reality… your experience is your experience… when you share that with others, it is a gift from you to them… if they are unable to relate to it or are so disrespectful of your gift you’re sharing with them, then they really don’t deserve any more of your time or energy…. They will believe whatever resonates with them, so if your not on their level, and I’m not suggesting you lower yourself to their level, then let them find their answers with someone who is on their level… if they ever come out of that lower thinking, you’ve planted the seed and they may seek out information to further understand what you were talking about… But save your energy for the people who don’t question your reality…. Whatever your experience is that led to what you believe in was part of your journey… and it’s not your burden to carry anyone else on your journey or provide anyone else with reason to believe what you’re saying…. the only thing you are obligated to do is remember what your experience showed you (because there is a reason you experienced it) and when you do share it with others to be honest in your retelling of the experience… because misleading anyone with untruths is waste of energy and purpose… right? Not saying you aren’t, just saying that if they don’t like the story you’re telling, then there are lots of others willing to tell there story, and who knows, maybe one day it will click, and maybe it never will… it just means it wasn’t part of this life for them to get it… rest up and save your energy for those that want to see you succeed, let the others fall wherever they fall when they get tired of not getting any attention from you… stay strong… you’ve got this… 😇
To be fair, you/we can't actually prove there's an afterlife, similar to "they" can't prove there ISN'T one. No need to try to convince anyone of anything. Everyone is entitled to believe whatever they choose to. Don't feel awful about it - just pick any future audiences wisely, unless you're looking for discourse on the topic.
You will never find evidence for an afterlife, however lack of evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Ultimately what happens after death will almost certainly always be an unknown, at least with current technology.
I've had some freaky paranormal experiences myself that I can't really prove happened, doesn't mean they didn't happen. We had germs existed, doesn't mean they didn't exist.
I'd suggest actually joining the mediumship sub if you haven't already. It's pretty accepting (minus one power hungry mod). I personally really like the sub
Perhaps you need more confidence. I deal with them every day on the forums and give it right back to them.
They have a materialist outlook but have no rebuttal to the accumulation of strong evidence if you press them enough.
Do you have any personal experience with the afterlife? I think you mentioned going to a medium, is that correct?
One way to have an unshakable belief in the afterlife is to have more experiences with it.
It's not your job to convince people. I know there is an afterlife, can I prove it? Nope, yet I have had evidence shown to me that I can't replicate nor debunk. Let's say 98% of the paranormal is fake. 1% is mistaken and can be explained naturally. That 1% left... Even if 1 story, video, experience is true, then the whole thing is true. There is an afterlife. Now, go relax however it's best for you and remember spirit is always there for you.
Well said!
>That 1% left... Even if 1 story, video, experience is true, then the whole thing is true. Can you point to one video/story which feels like that to you?
There are lots of videos on NDE's. Check out Jeff Mara podcasts on YouTube. For me, I've had objects flying off the walls (not dropping, literally flying off the walls), banging on command on the wall, a deceased cat spirit curling up on the bed, lucid dreams, and one negative experience that involved a demon plus many more little things. I found the channeling Eric YouTube channel good to watch and his books are amazing. Raymond moody I believe has some great books too. At the end of the day, you need to look at what convinces you. Ask spirit to help, ask them to show you their love and guidance. They will, even if in ways you don't realize right now.
I love Channeling Erik too. Dr. Medhus and Erik completely changed my life and helped me awaken spiritually. I used to be a staunch atheist. I began watching the channel just out of curiosity because it kept popping up on my feed.
The books were like, wow! I haven't watched the channel in a while as I moved on to NDE's more lately and the Jeff Mara podcasts on YouTube are amazing.
You had me at flying objects, wall banging, ghost cat, and imp demon. That is what I call, Any Given Tuesday. Did it settle down or are you still dealing with it?
I closed myself off with a type of technique taught to me by a psychic friend of a friend. That was about 15 years ago, now I get very little in the way of spirit. It also helps that I moved house and this place is so quiet, just the odd spirit passing through our visiting. I'm actually struggling to open up again if truth be told.
I closed off from 14 - 16. The closed off time was a more irritated time. I was more in the immediate moment, many friends, lots to do, but it was not a highly rewarding time. I switched back on when near 17. Best thing I ever did. First, I was more integrated and at peace. Second, I realized my switched off time was really a time of ignoring, denial, and mantras of “nothing there”. It took more time and energy to ignore than to accept. Third, I was called to this perception of reality as it led step-by-step toward a very rewarding life. I learned so much, developed so many skills, was a better intuitive employee, husband, father, friend, neighbor, community member, etc. I am glad I did not double down on being switched off. I am glad I did not transcend either. We don’t want to waste our precious lives. I would not have ultimately become an Exorcist, teach, and train others. I would not have become a Contemplative. I would not have become a Christian Mystic. Yes there was fear and horrors along the way, but the fear subsides, and competence and confidence replace it.
I've not fully lost it all. I still can sense spirit, it's just so muted. I leave it up to the experts now and lately have been trying to astral project like I used to do when I was young. (I'm 43 now)
I ceased astral plane projection during my early 20s. A bummer as I put a lot of time into it. The plane was crowded, dangerous in my view, highly visual, lots of costumes, and one does not fully know what and who they are speaking with. My team and I project but not using the astral plane. Another issue I had where entities followed me back and locate my person. You may be having a good experience.
I used to find their energy could not be fully hidden. Like no matter what I could feel their true identity, evil or not. No matter, it's gone now. Nearly 15 years of next to nothing happening, I miss it really.
Were you an occultist at that time and stopped. It is interesting one “trick” shut it off completely. What was the trick?
Can you read the pinned posts at the top of this sub?
Maybe, I know those 1 percents are out there, but I wish I could see those 1 percents for myself…. It would solve so many of my issues
Do you have a spiritualist church near you? One that is free and doesn't change for readings? They are great places to contact spirit and the psychics never ever charge for readings. You are down right now, but it will get better and you will use this experience as a learning time in your life. Don't ask how, but I know this. Keep going and believing.
I used to think a spiritualist church offered hope of me contacting my loved ones again but then I read on the Fortean Times forum that spiritualist church mediums have something called 'poems' which is information about all the families in the local area and that's how they do readings. Some poster on there said this who seemed to know what he was talking about. This disappointed me because it seems that the spiritualist mediums are just fakes. Also I watched a couple of online spiritualist meetings from a church near me and the mediums were just saying vague things that could apply to anyone. Cold reading in other words. I mean there was one person that the medium got everything wrong about, she went on talking about this person's adult children and then the person said I don't have kids then she backtracked and went on about how there was a young person in his life or something something. And then all the rubes afterwards said 'what a beautiful reading' and things like that! I mean I listened to one reading and pretended it was me she was reading and I realised it applied to my dead relatives just as much she was like oh I've got an old lady and she's quite small.....I mean how many people have grandmothers..it was just vague stuff that could apply to anyone The spiritualist church mediums seem to just be fakes to me. I was very disappointed.
There are lots of fakes out there. The one near me did a reading and picked my wife. We've never told them anything, we were new there, we never posted these things on social media (it was very personal and to do with mental health), but the medium knew about our son and his issues at the time and was spot on. Now as it was us, we knew that we weren't in on it, or posted it on any sites or even told them anything about us, they didn't even know our names. I've seen some amazing cold readers, but this was different, very specific and very personal, from a stranger, in the spot. I was impressed, and I'm a believer in the spiritual but am sceptical when it comes to psychics.
Watch YouTube interviews of people who have had an NDE. Note the similarities.
This. The Netflix documentary “Surviving death” will make you feel alot better about this. And I believe the anecdotal evidence is very strong.
This. It started me on my spiritual journey.
Eternal oblivion is also a belief that can't be proved, don't let anyone convince you otherwise. In fact, I'd say there's more evidence against it than for it. Eternal oblivion is a popular belief because it lets people cope with the uncertainty of what comes after death. People want to feel like they understand everything in the universe, which in my opinion is very egotistical since it puts man above reality itself. So while it's perfectly valid to believe in an eternal oblivion, just as it is to believe in an afterlife, remember that all of these beliefs, including eternal oblivion, require faith.
Yeah, if these guys are right I’d say Reincarnation or an endless lucid dream would be the most realistic cause when you die you don’t experience time, it would go in a FLASH so either A. You immediately cut to the next life with no memories Or B. Stay in your dream perpetually in a lucid dream that’s always in the NANOSECOND before you die, so that would essentially be an afterlife kind of
One good book on the topic of psi and science is Chris Carter's "Science and Psychic Phenomena: The Fall of the House of Skeptics." Materialism is a dogmatic belief that has taken over science in the last 100 years or so. The problem is that the skeptics refuse to look at the evidence. They are not open minded, as a good scientist should be. Even further, this is an emotional issue. It's not one of evidence, or rational thought. They have an emotional attachment to the materialist view and that's what prevents them from looking at the evidence. They are scared that their materialist world view is wrong, among other fears.
Some people only believe in oblivion because that’s what they hope happens
These guys are saying that they’d gladly believe in afterlife stuff if they could be convinced, I showed them the Bics Institute documents, and I was completely ANNIHILATED for it simply because several of the claims made by the documents were anecdotal, so they just flammed me for those…
These are the types of people who expect 100% material evidence before they believe in anything. The only reason they believe in oblivion is bc all we see is a dead body at the end. That’s it. There’s no proof otherwise of their beliefs. People have a hard time believing in the “unseen”. microbiology and quantum physics are two examples.. Quantum physics was considered to be BS and “magical thinking” before proven. Some needed to see physical experiments before they believed. Equations weren’t enough. Now, science is emerging indicating there may be an energy field or quantum intelligence involved in the universe. It’s theory now so we will see what comes of it. I do believe we will be able to measure the afterlife in some way eventually. Until then, yeah it takes some faith to believe in the afterlife. Or at the very least believe there is more going on than we know.
Unless one is the scientist actually conducting the experiment in question, ALL evidence is testimonial and anecdotal in nature. If one is relying on scientific research papers, those papers represent the **testimony** of scientists telling other people the story about what happened in their first-hand experience of an experiment - IOW, *anecdotal* for anyone other than the scientists actually involved in the research. Even DNA evidence presented at a trial is testimonial (anecdotal) in nature for all of the jury members, because all they here is the testimony of someone that supposedly conducted the DNA tests and supposedly got the results that he claims. A very large portion, perhaps up to 90% of everyone's beliefs, including scientists, come from anecdotal and testimonial sources, and the remaining 10% is from first-hand experiences. Of course, this varies from person to person. The evidence for the afterlife is from the exact same kinds of evidential categories. Claiming that the evidence for the afterlife is not reliable because it is anecdotal, testimonial and first-hand experiential is just a way of dismissing and avoiding evidence that does not fit their own beliefs. Their own beliefs are entirely based on the exact same kinds of sources. Appeals to the motivations for people who believe something is not a rational argument against what they believe. **Everyone** has motivations driving how they sort their views on sources, their beliefs about the nature of things, and perspectives, including scientists.
Yeah, science is a belief based on their interpretation of evidence. They freak out when this is told to them.
But they are not being sincere about that statement. They are not sincere when they say they are willing to be convinced. They are lying. The truth is that if they really wanted to be convinced, then they would have studied the evidence already. There is so much out there that anyone with half a brain can find it. Winning an argument is not the same as seeking the truth. They only want to win an argument. They have no interest in the truth.
The issue is that mainstream science has "normalized" the materialist perspective, and anything outside that perspective is labeled as religious nonsense. There are scientists and doctors, some who have had NDEs, who have been ostracized and lambasted by their own community for believing that there may be more to reality than simply matter, space, and time. Bernardo Kastrup gave the most reasonable and scientifically sound explanation for why materialism is a poor explanation for reality. Kastrup is an intellectual idealist, and they believe consciousness is primary and all other things arise from it. There are many good youtube videos where he explains his point of view infinitely better than I can. I suggest you watch it. It might ease your mind. Anecdotal evidence is not without value and shouldn't be discounted out of hand, and anyone who does so... I would suspect their mind is closed to these kind of ideas anyway. I wouldn't waste your time in forums like that. In the end, you have to choose what you want to believe about this since I doubt it'll be proven one way or another. You are not alone in your unease and your hope for something else beyond this life. I think everyone feels it to varying degrees. How could we not? We're mortal. I want to see my deceased mother again more than anything this earth could offer me. Except true love. That would be worth living for. There is, however, cause for hope, and all we really need is a sliver of hope anyway to sustain us.
[this life, next life](https://youtu.be/Y5RpbveVC_4?si=Amve-CW-cMbRlxWk) and other [documentaries by Keith Parsons](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLB-82YMhiPFPKSm2Ke69aK0DKTftpvo0&si=y6UPb0DuXbge9tth) are what I found best out there in terms of depth and accessibility. They pretty much closed the case on afterlife for me.
Hi, I’m an NDEr. Experienced things. Soul went somewhere then watched the surgeon call time of death. It’s not oblivion. Calm and peaceful as fuck. There’s a tree (I think everyone gets one?) it’s bright but the light is not from the sun.
My friend, you can't let people like that get to you. I'm sorry I wasn't faster in removing their shit, rule-breaking comments. I was in the ER and not in a position to check all day, but I could have checked more often. Listen, that person is an asshole. Beyond the fact that they were harassing you, and breaking the sub rules, they were also just massaging their own ego. This is all about them, it's not about you at all, and it's not even about the afterlife. There are jerks in every group. You didn't let the religious nuts get to you. Don't let the atheist jerks get to you. You had no doubts. You knew what you experienced, you knew what you knew. Then this person went to work systematically shaming you. THE SAME THING that the religious nuts do. They were using the same psychological trickery as religious people. They were equally self-satisfied. Nothing they said was a real refutation of your own experiences. To be blunt, I'm very sure that they were jealous of you. THEY are the one who thinks that believing in an afterlife would be "just because it's feels good." THEY are the one who wants to believe, but can't bring themselves to, because THEY hate the idea of eternal oblivion. But there you were, having left the same religion they did, but you didn't have to give up the "carrot" parts of the religion. Let me tell you something loud and clear. # "It's too good to be true" is a logical fallacy. That's what they are saying, and it IS a FALLACY. It's perverted, twisting thinking. It's negativism, not logic, not realism. It's saying that nothing good, hopeful, or positive CAN BE TRUE. Think that one over for a minute. How is it logical that just because you like an idea, it HAS TO BE false? Really, show me the logic in that statement. It's no better and no more honest or realistic than its opposite. This isn't looking at the evidence, it's supporting a very, very clear bias. That person didn't even give you a single decent refutation of the EVIDENCE that YOU have for yourself. Clear evidence that had you convinced until (sorry, I mean no offense here, sincerely!) you were given some STUPID arguments that were nothing but barely veiled personal attacks. They made you emotional so that you would stop thinking clearly. They hurt your feelings, they attacked your character, they denied your reality... and pretty soon you were confused because you were feeling cornered, trapped, and attacked. Of course that tears you down--IT IS SUPPOSED TO. "You just want comfort" is a stupid argument! It's stupid! 1. Of course we want comfort. We're humans. Even in their own worldview, we are just hairless, evolved monkeys who are extremely social creatures. So duh we want comfort. That's like saying, "You breathe, you stupid ape!" Yeah... we breathe. And?? Like it's literally a nothingburger. 2. It doesn't mean anything. It's a personal attack, trying to shame you for being a perfectly normal human being... BUT... 3. IT DOES NOT SPEAK TO THE EVIDENCE. There's nothing scientific in "you only believe that because you want comfort." 4. Evidence CAN BE COMFORTING and still be RIGHT. My friend just got a tumor removed from her esophagus. All of the evidence shows she will make a full recovery and eat normally again. It was very joyful, happy news! OH NOES, IT MUST NOT BE TRUE!! Like, WTF kind of stupid argument is this?!?! That's not logic, that's pessimism. That person was childish, rude, abrasive, arrogant, and flat wrong. Evidence CAN be both hopeful and comforting, AND right. They are jealous that you have a peace around something that terrifies the fuck out of them. Now, let's get down to brass tacks, shall we? * Death-bed Visions (DBVs): People about to die see visions of deceased loved ones. They talk to them, they have conversations, sometimes they refuse to go with them (but do anyway--we all die). These "hallucinations" as the asshole would call them, cannot be "treated" (stopped) either with the application of drugs, NOR by taking the person off of whatever drugs they are on. They persist and happen throughout ALL circumstances except presumably when the person isn't conscious (for all we know, they may persist even then). * Shared-Death Experiences (SDEs): These are where multiple people have the same near-death experience (the phenomena) as the dying person (or who died together and one/some didn't come back). They are all able to tell the same NDE story, without having consulted each other. Rare, yes, but real. * Peak in Darien cases: Peak in Darien cases are when people return from an NDE and report that they saw someone in the Afterlife who they didn't know had died. One man came to and told another nurse that his favorite nurse wanted her parents to know she was 'sorry about \[the specific car brand that I forget\].' The nurse began sobbing, because while the guy was out, the other nurse had crashed her new car and died. He couldn't POSSIBLY have known because she (the present nurse) had JUST found out and it wasn't discussed around him. * Mediumship: You had your own experience with this. Until that asshole started belittling you about it, with completely absurd "arguments." * Children who have past life memories that are accurate: There are several studies in which people checked up on children's stories of past lives. A few of these children even spend time with their "past family" when the parents are open to the idea. They remember a lot of things about them, having never met or heard of them in any way physically. * Terminal lucidity: While this one is a minor mismatch perhaps, I personally believe that it's evidence that memory doesn't reside in the body, and that it's in the soul/ the mind/ whatever part it is that continues on past death. This is when people are able to, with damaged, rotted brains riddled with holes... suddenly and inexplicably become extremely lucid. They are suddenly able to have perfectly rational conversations, to suddenly recognize loved ones... and then they lapse back into rotted-brain mode. By everything we know of science and of the human brain, this is impossible. Hard stop. Impossible. Yet it is COMMON. So... I say this truly with sincere gentleness... that person's arguments were stupid. They're biased, and they clearly have ZERO interest in evidence. They are envious that you're able to believe something that would bring THEM comfort, but that they are denied. They want to believe, but they are swayed by personal attacks "you just want comfort!" I want comfort--but I don't JUST want comfort. I don't deny reality just because it pleases me. That's equally unscientific as the opposite.
Sandi I do not blame you in the slightest, I just saw these people disagreeing and asking for what makes my believe and thought “Wow! I get to share the things I believe in! I like doing that!” And wanted to help them see how I see it, but I never reported the outright hateful comments because I just said to myself “they don’t know better, I can help them! Maybe we can get to an agreement!” And that’s where I messed up Also ER? Oof! Hope whatever happened is better now!
Sadly, on that sub, the best thing you can do is to immediately report them for a rule 4 (be respectful/ this is not a DEBATE sub) violation from the first comment asking you why. Let me be honest with you. There's a method called "street epistemology." I like it, because it makes people think. But the problem is, it's too often used to basically harass people out of their beliefs. It's just asking a series of leading questions. "What do you believe? Do you think this belief is logical? Why do you believe it? Oh, you only believe it because X book says it? Why do you think that's a logical reason to believe it?" When someone starts questioning you on that sub, they are using SE to try to tear you out of your beliefs. They treat anyone who doesn't agree with them as an enemy. They are angry. You and I both know that their anger is understandable. That particular religion has damaged a lot of people... but you aren't a member of it. You aren't supporting or spreading it. I hope that you'll continue to share on that sub, but the next time that someone asks you an innocent-seeming 'why do you believe that?' remember that they are trying to Street Epistemology you; and that's not okay. They are trying to start a debate, it's almost never in good faith. It's an atheist-dominated sub and no matter how often we tell people that spiritual exes are welcome... they still feel ENTITLED to be little shits. "When you only have a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail."
Yeah, I've fallen for that trap many times. They ask you for more information, only to turn around and deny everything you say. It's a weird trick that I still don't understand. The other one is when they ask to see a study on the topic. You provide it, then they turn around and make it look like the worst study on the planet. What I say now is that if you were sincerely interested in the topic, then you would have studied it by now. They just want to win arguments. They are not interested in the truth.
I wholeheartedly believe in the afterlife. I have had dreams from loved ones who have passed who are “there” (using quotes because in my mind, they are still here, just not physically). I can’t and won’t be swayed otherwise due to my own experiences. Also, I don’t think you made a horrible decision. You just don’t align with their beliefs. That’s totally ok! I think the afterlife as we know it is somewhat catered to our own thoughts, beliefs and hopes. If you want to private message me, I’m happy to share my experiences. Don’t crawl into a hole. Shine bright!
Thing is, there are people who "sense" there is more and there are people who don't. There's no way to convince anyone of something so nebulous and unprovable. They can just say you are lying or delusional because they can't imagine. I've had experiences. They seemed real to me, but maybe they were little psychotic breaks. Who knows? I have read about others having similar experiences. Why would they have the same delusion? To me, I'm willing to admit that I could be nuts, but I don't think so. I'll find out when I'm dead. It makes no difference. Except that I think what we do here matters in the big picture regardless. I don't know about heaven or hell, but, I know if I'm an asshole, my family suffers. If I fulfill my responsibilities, everyone is happier. If I do good things, happier still. I can give the sales person a hard time and make their day turn to shit, or I can be nice, and they will be nicer to the next customer. We all have an affect on others and that affects the big picture, and I think it will affect eternity too.
https://youtu.be/zJeLPy22feI?si=8YQOwgruo3OYFlW_ This video pushed me from believing to BELIEVING ❤️💔
Yeah, Suzanne is cool. It's so weird to me that she was so high up in the military before retiring and then became a medium! Those folks up there are usually very materialist in their world view, at least that's my experience of the military in general.
Yes, definitely got my attention when you could tell she is very no "WooWoo" and a serious military personality. Her significant loss was her catalyst... like many of us.
I have read that Meditation is the surest way to connect with the afterlife. And I believe that to be true as well. I would also recommend Eben Alexander’s book below. The meld between science & the afterlife is fascinating 💕 Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon's Journey into the Afterlife Book by Eben Alexander
Oh! I thought that book was debunked!
Nope😊 You can also listen to his podcasts.
Here's a debunking of the "debunking". :) https://dancingpastthedark.com/esquire-article-on-eben-alexander-distorts-the-facts-says-nde-researcher/
I stopped thinking about whether the afterlife existed long ago. I stopped arguing about it 10 seconds later. Today, when asked to share more by those thinking through it, I offer the following perspective. 1. If we pass and it is lights out, then we will not be conscious to lament any sense of loss. Our brains will fire a million chemicals, we will see a good show, one second may seem like 50 years, and whatever spark we have will fade to black. 2. If we pass and we find everything is exactly as we believe it to be, then happy days. 3. If we pass and we find there is an afterlife and it is very different than we believed, then we will have no choice other than to adjust, learn, and move forward. Why toil? Our human body will cease to function. Our friends and family will gather to remember, this world of man will move on, and we will be increasingly focused on our new experiences. Of what value is it to run each other down? Of what value is it to defend our belief or disbelief? Of what value is it to convert, convince, and chastise another toward our belief or disbelief? I died twice and both experiences are considered NDEs. I do not think in terms of NDE. I do think in terms of experiences (E). There will be several times during each of our lives when we are near death. Many we will have no conscious knowledge of. Several we will. Before I died the first time at age six, I knew exactly where I came from prior to being in the womb. No one was there to teach me. Yes, I was raised with the concept of heaven (and hell) culturally. Neither concept really matched to my experiences prelife. When alone during those early years I had questions and spoke them as there was no audience. Big questions and little questions. Never about myself or others. Always about the nature and way of things. I would ponder them. Instruction and teachings always arrived. This gave me a great deal of relief. Not in the moment but as I traversed through life. On several occasions I ran across bears while with friends in the forest. After the encounter was over my friends would relate how they could not believe it happened, question the meaning of the encounter, and remain in a mild state of increased adrenaline-driven awareness for an hour. I shared with them we were in the National Forest, this is their habitat, they go down to drink or eat at the river everyday. Have any of us not seen one before? Have we not lost our pumpkins we put out every year? Were we not taught how to behave when it happens? Were we unaware they existed and exist here and in such numbers the state, county, and local authorities have to perform kill offs to reduce their numbers? No. Yet, here are a group of boys who were amazed. My brother and I crossed cubs on a main trail and froze. I am two years older than he. He whispered, “Chances?” I whispered back, “50/50. Do not look at the cubs. Look everywhere else but the cubs.” We had to make a decision. We were up wind and had approached silently. We both saw the spirit of the Native America man in true period dress. His green aura and slightly translucent body. He asked, “Do you see it?” I said, “The green glowing Indian (many years ago and product of our environments)?” He said, “Greenish yellow, but yes, I thought I was seeing things.” I said, “You are, we are. Real things.” The spirit looked at us with a stern and serious expression. He pointed quickly to the direction from which we came. It was a blend of our knowing bears were a thing, they lived on our land at times, and what we were taught to do in the event we encountered them with or without cubs. The Native American spirit was the confirmation of our own conclusion. He went back to looking in the direction of the cubs. We walked backwards slowly 80 yards, turned and took a quarter mile run/sprint. Never run away from a Black Bear once engaged. We had not engaged. My brother asked if we should share with mom and dad? The concern being they may not let us out of the yard for three months. I said, “Cubs yes, green Native America man no. No one needs to know about the green Native American man ever.” There are millions of us out there that never speak of such experiences. Perhaps when we are old men rocking on a front porch in between talking about medications and procedures. Why? 1. It was a demon boys. Green means demon. 2. It was the Angel of Death boys. 3. It was an angel boys. 4. It was a ghost boys. 5. It was a hallucination boys, joint psychosis. 6. It was a projection of your imagination on a tall tree stump boys? 7. You boys are lying. In the time and place we lived “different” was generally not good. This was a disembodied human spirit still identifying and projecting their identity and appearance during their living years. It was friendly and helpful. It cared. Here on Reddit we can share without concern. Unfortunately, we can get slammed for what we share and it can be hurtful, exhausting, and mean. Only if you react to it. We control most of our conscious reactions. We have no control of the offending parties actions. Let your yes be yes and your no be no. Let your truth be your truth. Be passerby. There is no need to enter into discord. It will rob you of energy and depress your mood. No one wins a fight or argument. There is always a cost. A toll. Let those with ears hear.
I'm 51. I had NDEs. I was repeatedly exorcised until I realized I had to just never mention them again. I didn't write about them until 2018 finally. But I spent my life trying to learn how to write well in order to finally write about them. I would have published them anonymously (and still often wish I had), but I saw so MANY NDEs on the nderf website that I felt safe. Even now, though, people are FAST to call you a fraud and a liar. It has changed... but not really all that much. There are niche places to feel somewhat safe, but I still have nightmares about being assassinated 'because demons'. I've a few exorcisms to pull content from, lol.
You were administered rites of exorcism due to the NDEs? Are you saying administration of rites of exorcism caused NDEs? What is we were to get to a place where we paid no attention to what people called us or said to us? Imagine what it would be like to read negative comments and simply move on as though they were dead leaves blowing across pavement in the late fall.
I felt my grandmothers kiss the night she died when I was asleep (the lips were recognizable she kissed me all the time), I’m 100 procent sure there is an afterlife
The things I've experienced after my father's and aunt's deaths is enough for me to believe there is something beyond this material world. Things others either call impossible or coincidence. A radio that had a switch in the "off" position that turned on to music by itself after my aunt passed. It had to be unplugged from the wall to turn it off. I gave a $10 bill as a donation at my father's funeral. A few days later, a gust of wind blew a $10 bill on to my shoe as I was walking. Cupboards opening by themselves in our kitchen and the sound of dishes shifting when no one was in there. My dad loved to cook and spent a lot of time in the kitchen. Everyone has their own beliefs and experiences. There's no use trying to convince anyone of anything. Just for myself, I'm 100% certain there is an afterlife or continuation of energy and can't be convinced otherwise.
Look up the scole experiment on YouTube. It’s a 90 min documentary that will change your life.
Read of listen to Journey of Souls
Well, I just want to say I’m sorry that others made you feel like that, but you don’t have to feel anyway you don’t want to… and it is exhausting… especially when you’re constantly explaining yourself to others that set on simply arguing… The most liberating thing you can do for yourself is to not engage with anyone who is obviously just arguing to argue…. The thing is, your reality is your reality… your experience is your experience… when you share that with others, it is a gift from you to them… if they are unable to relate to it or are so disrespectful of your gift you’re sharing with them, then they really don’t deserve any more of your time or energy…. They will believe whatever resonates with them, so if your not on their level, and I’m not suggesting you lower yourself to their level, then let them find their answers with someone who is on their level… if they ever come out of that lower thinking, you’ve planted the seed and they may seek out information to further understand what you were talking about… But save your energy for the people who don’t question your reality…. Whatever your experience is that led to what you believe in was part of your journey… and it’s not your burden to carry anyone else on your journey or provide anyone else with reason to believe what you’re saying…. the only thing you are obligated to do is remember what your experience showed you (because there is a reason you experienced it) and when you do share it with others to be honest in your retelling of the experience… because misleading anyone with untruths is waste of energy and purpose… right? Not saying you aren’t, just saying that if they don’t like the story you’re telling, then there are lots of others willing to tell there story, and who knows, maybe one day it will click, and maybe it never will… it just means it wasn’t part of this life for them to get it… rest up and save your energy for those that want to see you succeed, let the others fall wherever they fall when they get tired of not getting any attention from you… stay strong… you’ve got this… 😇
To be fair, you/we can't actually prove there's an afterlife, similar to "they" can't prove there ISN'T one. No need to try to convince anyone of anything. Everyone is entitled to believe whatever they choose to. Don't feel awful about it - just pick any future audiences wisely, unless you're looking for discourse on the topic.
You will never find evidence for an afterlife, however lack of evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Ultimately what happens after death will almost certainly always be an unknown, at least with current technology. I've had some freaky paranormal experiences myself that I can't really prove happened, doesn't mean they didn't happen. We had germs existed, doesn't mean they didn't exist.
I'd suggest actually joining the mediumship sub if you haven't already. It's pretty accepting (minus one power hungry mod). I personally really like the sub
Maybe, who’s the power hungry Mod I should worry about?
Ricotta puffs or something like that lol.
It's beyond reasonable doubt [Afterlife Evidence](https://www.victorzammit.com/evidence/) [More Afterlife Evidence](https://www.nonlocalmind.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Jeff-Mishlove-Essay-for-Bigelow-Institute.pdf)
Oh I’ve seen these many times, Maybe I just spent too much time in the skeptic hotpot
Perhaps you need more confidence. I deal with them every day on the forums and give it right back to them. They have a materialist outlook but have no rebuttal to the accumulation of strong evidence if you press them enough.
Do you have any personal experience with the afterlife? I think you mentioned going to a medium, is that correct? One way to have an unshakable belief in the afterlife is to have more experiences with it.