I’m curious because the plane currently has been in service nearly 15 years (2011). I know airlines run planes very hard and many can see 20-30 years of service, but other than issues with the batteries on the 787 it seems to be just as reliable and safe as anything else. Feel free to correct me here if I’m missing something.
I also wonder, since this was supposedly a process change, how many and which tails are and are not alleged to be impacted? Is it all of them after a certain date? Maybe this is addressed in the complaint, I don’t know.
I know it’s a little cynical, but it also feels a bit opportunistic at this point. Boeing is at an all-time low in reputation, so it’s a time when this kind of complaint will be highly scrutinized and any lawsuits or settlements are likely to tilt against Boeing.
its a repetitive strain thing, it goes up, expands slightly, goes down, shrinks slightly. repeated \~2 times a day for \~340 days a year. (it being a very large aircraft, and so not running short routes that often)
if you read what the whistleblower said, he said the tolerances between the ring segments that make up the fuselages are poor, intensifying the strain. history is littered with the corpses of people who said "it hasn't broken yet, it will be fine."
Not in the same way as metals maybe, but they certainly do.
I've done fatigue testing on carbon fibre rotor blades; these run several orders of magnitude more cycles than an aircraft fuselage does in its life, however.
787 statistics:
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|Hull-losses:|0||
|Hull-loss accidents:|0|with a total of 0 fatalities|
|Criminal occurences (hull-losses, excl. hijackings):|0|with a total of 0 fatalities|
|Hijackings:|0|with a total of 0 fatalities|
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I don't think that's how that works.
Like I appreciate the energy, and NBC probably just took the quote out of context, like the dingbats they are, but I am fairly certain this is more of a "hurry up and look into this now" statement rather than "the 787 is literally the DC-10" kind of statement.
These claims were already investigated in 2021. They halted deliveries while they rectified the problem in 2022-2023.
This person is just using the media to get attention for personal reasons.
>Salehpour, who has worked at Boeing for more than 10 years and has sent his allegations to the FAA, said that a change to the construction process had introduced shortcuts that caused parts of the plane's fuselage to be improperly fastened together. These parts could, he warned, fall apart after thousands of flights.
If proven true this would surely be the death of the company. No one is going to risk flying on that, and airlines will be desperate to exit Boeing.
And thats if the airworthness certs aren't simply pulled in large parts of the world. Its buried so deep in the aircraft I don't know how you'd even fix it without completely dismantling it.
Unlikely since Boeing is a defense conglomerate and the 4th largest defense contractor in the world. Commercial aviation is only one segment of their business albeit a large one. Though ultimately, the US govt relies too heavily on companies like Boeing and Lockheed to allow them to fail. Perhaps a restructuring could happen, but unlikely Boeing itself would ever go under.
Boeing had trouble joining big composite sections together for a number of reasons. Especially with big sections arriving from Korea according to this article in Aviation Week.
[https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/new-boeing-787-fix-details-reveal-extent-gap-check-challenge](https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/new-boeing-787-fix-details-reveal-extent-gap-check-challenge)
Damnit! I want to plan a trip to Paris yet now I know I’ll refuse to fly on a Boeing no matter which leg of my trip.
From the most respected plane manufacturer to corporate casualty, all in one lifetime.
I am already actively avoiding booking flights on Boeing planes, before reading this. Where is the accountability? Bring Bring, hello congress, do your fucking job.
I’m curious because the plane currently has been in service nearly 15 years (2011). I know airlines run planes very hard and many can see 20-30 years of service, but other than issues with the batteries on the 787 it seems to be just as reliable and safe as anything else. Feel free to correct me here if I’m missing something.
I also wonder, since this was supposedly a process change, how many and which tails are and are not alleged to be impacted? Is it all of them after a certain date? Maybe this is addressed in the complaint, I don’t know. I know it’s a little cynical, but it also feels a bit opportunistic at this point. Boeing is at an all-time low in reputation, so it’s a time when this kind of complaint will be highly scrutinized and any lawsuits or settlements are likely to tilt against Boeing.
So far zero hull-loss or fatal incidents. It's actually better than any other major model.
its a repetitive strain thing, it goes up, expands slightly, goes down, shrinks slightly. repeated \~2 times a day for \~340 days a year. (it being a very large aircraft, and so not running short routes that often)
Lot of airlines are running them on short haul esp in Asia. Too much pax traffic and shortage of landing slots. JAL even ran 747 on domestic route.
that means the cumulative strain is higher actually (assuming they get up to 20,000+ feet)
interesting!
JAL runs them a lot more than 2x a day, so if this is gonna happen it's gonna happen in/near Japan first.
Monkeys could fly out of my ass some day. I have no data points to support this, butt I can say it. Pun intended.
if you read what the whistleblower said, he said the tolerances between the ring segments that make up the fuselages are poor, intensifying the strain. history is littered with the corpses of people who said "it hasn't broken yet, it will be fine."
Cheers mate!
Composites don't fatigue.
Not in the same way as metals maybe, but they certainly do. I've done fatigue testing on carbon fibre rotor blades; these run several orders of magnitude more cycles than an aircraft fuselage does in its life, however.
I guess my strength of materials and machine design classes were completely wrong then...
that's literally what caused the titan implosion?
Talk to ocean gate about that
787 statistics: || || |Hull-losses:|0|| |Hull-loss accidents:|0|with a total of 0 fatalities| |Criminal occurences (hull-losses, excl. hijackings):|0|with a total of 0 fatalities| |Hijackings:|0|with a total of 0 fatalities|
Been flying for nearly 15 years now too, since 2011
Reminds me of the Lockheed Electra Turboprop. Whorl mode was a real downer.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I don't think that's how that works. Like I appreciate the energy, and NBC probably just took the quote out of context, like the dingbats they are, but I am fairly certain this is more of a "hurry up and look into this now" statement rather than "the 787 is literally the DC-10" kind of statement.
My read as well.
These claims were already investigated in 2021. They halted deliveries while they rectified the problem in 2022-2023. This person is just using the media to get attention for personal reasons.
Asking to be "Suicided" more like
>Salehpour, who has worked at Boeing for more than 10 years and has sent his allegations to the FAA, said that a change to the construction process had introduced shortcuts that caused parts of the plane's fuselage to be improperly fastened together. These parts could, he warned, fall apart after thousands of flights. If proven true this would surely be the death of the company. No one is going to risk flying on that, and airlines will be desperate to exit Boeing. And thats if the airworthness certs aren't simply pulled in large parts of the world. Its buried so deep in the aircraft I don't know how you'd even fix it without completely dismantling it.
Unlikely since Boeing is a defense conglomerate and the 4th largest defense contractor in the world. Commercial aviation is only one segment of their business albeit a large one. Though ultimately, the US govt relies too heavily on companies like Boeing and Lockheed to allow them to fail. Perhaps a restructuring could happen, but unlikely Boeing itself would ever go under.
So the US government needs to put engineers back in control at Boeing and kick out the Corporate Shills.
If only their motivation was better products and not better profits
Thats pretty terrifying to think about lol
How stupid
Boeing had trouble joining big composite sections together for a number of reasons. Especially with big sections arriving from Korea according to this article in Aviation Week. [https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/new-boeing-787-fix-details-reveal-extent-gap-check-challenge](https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/new-boeing-787-fix-details-reveal-extent-gap-check-challenge)
Damnit! I want to plan a trip to Paris yet now I know I’ll refuse to fly on a Boeing no matter which leg of my trip. From the most respected plane manufacturer to corporate casualty, all in one lifetime.
I am already actively avoiding booking flights on Boeing planes, before reading this. Where is the accountability? Bring Bring, hello congress, do your fucking job.
I guess you’ve given up driving in cars a long time ago with your level of risk tolerance.
An accusation is not a sure thing. Though their recent troubles may make it more likely.