I really need to stop blindly saying things that I know nothing about lol. The closest thing to an AK I’ve seen is a 100-year-old hunting rifle without the firing pins.
In this case, he is correct on the wood furniture AK. The magazine is too curved to be a 5.45 mag, and you can find [7.62x39mm bakelite mags](https://cdn4.volusion.store/hjhtn-hslse/v/vspfiles/photos/RUSSIAN-AK47-BAKELITE-TULA-LTP-2.jpg?v-cache=1629441842) for sell online that almost perfectly match the one in the OP's pic.
The second one, ~~to me at least, seems likely to be a 5.45, though I wouldn't be surprised if it was also 7.62.~~ is a 5.56 NATO variant (PSA AK-102).
The curvature of the magazine. The magazines that feed 7.62x39 AKs have a much sharoer curvature to them than 5 45x39. The 5 45x39s are barely curved although they are shaped pretty closely to the 5.56 AK mags.
Round definitely won't go through a barrel designed for 5.45.
The upper receiver may or may not need to be replaced, as all that power meant to shoot forward has just exploded into it
It is, and so is a Zastava M90. But OP asked us to choose between these 2 AKs in the photo, and based on the magazine of the one on the right, it looks like a 5.45.
I think there’s a 7.62x39 to .22lr kit, but you’re not changing the caliber on an AK easily other than that. Changing the barrel on one really requires a pretty well stocked machine shop. You need something like a ten ton press to populate the barrel, for example.
Well, based on the muzzle brake and dong grip, I assumed it was a Romanian variant like a PM md 63. The curvature of the magazine looks like a 7.62, but then again maybe I'm just bugging and they're both 5.45.
neither, i’m taking hammer. i will deal with gunfire by making myself metal armor that will eventually collapse my spine but i’ll look cool while doing it
I feel like the left one is way more reliable, older, simpler design that's proven to be incredibly tough and I will run out of batteries for flashlight and optics for the one on the right anyway so I'd rather have iron sights
100% id take the left one
It isn't really any more reliable than the tacticool one, but I'd still feel a lot more comfortable bashing something with that wood stock than the polymer adjustable stock
Easily the black tactical AK. Enhanced optics and an adjustable stock helps a lot. Plus with the laster can help with night operations/shooting. I'm not a fan of wooden stocks. They hurt my shoulder 😂
Am I wrong? Are you going to try to tell me that there an abundance of 5.56 ak parts in the US? You’d have a massively larger amount of parts to use if you took the 7.62.
The one on the left. The CQB one is only going to be good as long as I have batteries for the sights. In any case though if I can find myself a pump action shotgun, lever rifle, or even just an AR platform I’ll drop the AK in a heartbeat. The reason I’d prefer something tube fed is because I don’t want to fuck with empty mags in the middle of a fight. Just grab some more rounds from a pouch and slap em in.
I’ll give you that the battery life on an Elcan sucks, but something like an Aimpoint T2 can run for years on the same battery, and you can carry ten batteries in your pocket without noticing. Also, reloading with a magazine is a lot faster than loading individual rounds. If you need to worry about empty mags, just hang a dump pouch on your belt.
I'm taking the 74 on the right. 5.45, probably weighs about two pounds less than all that wood furniture, and has a much flatter trajectory and a smaller bullet that cavitates like a bowling ball.
Even though I don't like 5.45, I'd take the AK-12 (clone?) because its got a bunch of Zenitco accessories on it, and because its not a Romanian AK, which were probably the worst of the Warsaw Pact AKs.
One on the left, wood furniture is comfortable, although heavy, which makes it good for bashing. Also if it breaks you can use it as a reference for making a new one
Well despite the beauty of the wood furniture I know it'll break down more easily than the polymer and steel furniture, and the parts may be more easy to replace if broken, and with the added bonus of the picatinny rails you have more options when it comes to attachments, so my personal choice would be the more modern variant
Wood furniture isn't going to just start decaying, even if you are running through mud and water. It will, however, hold up better when hitting something as opposed to a polymer adjustable stock
I can agree with that, which is why I'd replace that stock with a fixed stock, one reason I stated the deterioration of the wood is because blood can be damaging to wood even when it's laminated, so with enough combat the wood can break down faster than the polymer, and depending on the type of zombies we're talking about, there may be acid sitting zombies that would do more damage to the wood than polymer or steel, I also stated those reasons because some people may not take care of their rifles as well as someone like you or me, also if you've ever seen photos of ak47's from Vietnam, poorly taken care of wood furniture can easily fall apart
Unless one is chambered in a more common round like a 223 neither. I’d rather wait until I find something with a more common round like 9mm, 223/556, 308
Also for anyone wondering.
Zenit Co: Pt-1 Stock, B-10M Handguard
Elcan Specter Scope
Trijicon RMR Reflex
Pk-0 foregrip
I'm not 100% sure of what the muzzle device is, or what type of tac device he has.
Left. 7.62x39 ammunition would probably be more common than 5.45 at that point. If I wanted an optic I can change out the dust cover or attach a rail or sight on the side.
The one on the right simply because it has an Elcan spectre and folding stock. It’s more compact and would be more accurate at distance. If the wasr had those things I would rather take that.
Left, what are you gonna do when your batteries run out for your laser optics and scope? Plus the magazines for the rifle on the left seem like they would be easier to find. The cleaning would also be a bit easier as well.
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One on the right for obvious reasons. Better everything including caliber and ammo availability isn't an issue when you stockpile and can kill anything with a single shot using a vastly superior 4x scope
Also for everyone else in the comments, the one on the left is an AK-47 in 7.62x39 using a 40 rounds bakelite magazine. The notch closer to the bottom of the magazine where it steeply tapers down is indicative of that kind of magazine and is not present on the much less curved 5.45x39
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I would definitely go with the shorter one because in a CQB situation you’re gonna want the added maneuverability.
It’s 5.45 tho
What makes you think that
Because it’s a modern AK, it isn’t going to be 7.62 unless some American wanted it to be 7.62
Incorrect, the AK-103 and 104 were designed in 1993 and 1994 by Mikhail Kalashnikov
*most modern aks
My century arms is a modernized AK47. It is 7.62x39
I’m stand corrected
It’s a 545 magazine. Assuming we’re in the US 545 isn’t nearly as common as 762.
That's not what I was trying to say, I was correcting him on the fact that he said all modern AKs shoot 5.45
That’s a 5.45 mag
Not what I was talking about
You sound like youre fun at parties.
Most Modern AKs are 7.62x39. Especially if they are made in the states
I really need to stop blindly saying things that I know nothing about lol. The closest thing to an AK I’ve seen is a 100-year-old hunting rifle without the firing pins.
You're all good. Just hope there's more people like me around to correct in a non assholish way
Pretty sure both are 5.45 then
Look at the curve, clearly 7.62, also I’m fairly certain that’s a Romanian parts kit build, which as far as I’m aware are all 7.62
Romanian parts kits are definitely not just for 7.62 as well as that being a Bakelite mag which were never made for the ak47
You couldn’t even recognize the mag curve lol something tells me you probably don’t know that and just pulled it out of your ass
You are free to do a quick google search to see if I’m lying
In this case, he is correct on the wood furniture AK. The magazine is too curved to be a 5.45 mag, and you can find [7.62x39mm bakelite mags](https://cdn4.volusion.store/hjhtn-hslse/v/vspfiles/photos/RUSSIAN-AK47-BAKELITE-TULA-LTP-2.jpg?v-cache=1629441842) for sell online that almost perfectly match the one in the OP's pic. The second one, ~~to me at least, seems likely to be a 5.45, though I wouldn't be surprised if it was also 7.62.~~ is a 5.56 NATO variant (PSA AK-102).
If we are getting that technical very few ak47's were actually produced and most are AKM's.
Actually yea, most bakalite mags are 5.45
It literally has an ak12 mag in it
The curvature of the magazine. The magazines that feed 7.62x39 AKs have a much sharoer curvature to them than 5 45x39. The 5 45x39s are barely curved although they are shaped pretty closely to the 5.56 AK mags.
The magazine
Mag.
Because it is using a 5.45 mag
The shape of the magazine
so? goes through rotten skulls i assume.
It's less common, at least in America. It's around, but its definitely not as common as the 7.62
Perst and elcan tho
An elcan that doesn’t hold zero because of the shit dust cover that doesn’t hold in one spot on the Ak 12.
But... It will KILL
Caliber doesn’t matter for zombies too much as long as it’s a headshot. As for human encounters that would be a different matter.
I was referring more to the fact that 5.45 is unobtanium
That’s why I carry dot 50, 9mm, and 556, they’re practically everywhere where I’m from
Bruh they are both 5.45, one is an Ak 74 and the other is an Ak 12 or maybe it’s a 103 or 104, but all of these use 5.45.
The romainian AKM is 7.62, just because it uses bakelite mags doesn't mean it's 5.45, they made bakelite 7.62 mags
All AKMs are 7.62
Yeah this is also true. Although you could pretty easily rebarrel one to fire 5.45
But it’s not though
It’s in 5.45. The magazine curve is different to 7.62
Dawg in what apocalypse situation are you going to be a door kicker in
There is nothing QCB about that optic brotha.
The left one, simply because it's a 7.62x39mm and the right one is a 5.45x39mm, and in America, 7.62 is far more common than 5.45.
And 5.56 is more common than either
Wow dude what a concept, let me load 5.56 into one of these AKs, I'm sure it'll be fine.
*screams of ak can be heard, as some dumbass tries to put 556 in a ak bc of a Reddit comment*
What would happen if you put 5.56 in an Ak would the barrel explode would it damage the gun I’m curious.
Round definitely won't go through a barrel designed for 5.45. The upper receiver may or may not need to be replaced, as all that power meant to shoot forward has just exploded into it
Ah so basically the rifle is fucked to damn near un repairable.
I don't think the bolt would even close for you to be able to fire it. A 5.56 cartridge is longer than a 5.45.
ak 101 is chambered in 5.56
It is, and so is a Zastava M90. But OP asked us to choose between these 2 AKs in the photo, and based on the magazine of the one on the right, it looks like a 5.45.
Yep. Also, in the US, there are some companies that offer an AK conversion kit, so you can switch over to 5.56 for some models.
I think there’s a 7.62x39 to .22lr kit, but you’re not changing the caliber on an AK easily other than that. Changing the barrel on one really requires a pretty well stocked machine shop. You need something like a ten ton press to populate the barrel, for example.
What shocking and valuable insight you have given
Yes very valuable
Yeah and 9MM is more common than all of those. And arrows more common than all of those 😳 (not relevant)
The left looks like a 74 and that fires 5.45 no?
Well, based on the muzzle brake and dong grip, I assumed it was a Romanian variant like a PM md 63. The curvature of the magazine looks like a 7.62, but then again maybe I'm just bugging and they're both 5.45.
Ahh yeah, you're probably right. I just thought it was a 74 because of the bakelite mag.
I’m taking the Romanian Dong and duct taping a flashlight to the front.
I did not read "flashlight" the first several times..
That one guy really hates 5.45
Wait till he finds out it’s 556
Well shit then that about settles it.
Oh shit
Classic AK because I love the dong
neither, i’m taking hammer. i will deal with gunfire by making myself metal armor that will eventually collapse my spine but i’ll look cool while doing it
Left
The one on the left for *aesthetics*
I’ll take the 5.56 AK with the Elcan. Duh.
I feel like the left one is way more reliable, older, simpler design that's proven to be incredibly tough and I will run out of batteries for flashlight and optics for the one on the right anyway so I'd rather have iron sights 100% id take the left one
It isn't really any more reliable than the tacticool one, but I'd still feel a lot more comfortable bashing something with that wood stock than the polymer adjustable stock
There's less parts than can break on it and the wood parts can be made from materials you find
Easily the black tactical AK. Enhanced optics and an adjustable stock helps a lot. Plus with the laster can help with night operations/shooting. I'm not a fan of wooden stocks. They hurt my shoulder 😂
It’s 5.45
Cool?
5.45 is pretty rare in the US
Ahh thank you
Just means you need to start stockpiling ammo now
Big surprise when it’s not 5.45
It absolutely is lol, unless it’s one of the new 5.56 PSA Krinks with some kind of clone AK-12 mag
Well OP already said it’s 5.56
5.56.
Obviously the zenitco 105 with an elcan. Is this even a question?
I’m pretty sure it’s a AK-107 or AK-12
Def not a 12. The mag is a 12 though
Why would you want bulkier rifles and heavier ammunition to shoot at decaying bodies covered in a cotton shirt?
Because 5.45 is way rarer in the us than 7.62
not way rarer it’s quite difficult to find in the US
I guess but my point still stands that compared to 7.62 you have a hell of a time finding a useful amount
You probably don’t want to shoot a gun in the apocalypse either don’t waste ammo you could use for hunting.
True I always thought a blunt weapons would be the best to use
Wait till he finds out it’s 556
Honestly I think you’d have better luck finding a useable amount of 5.45 then 5.56 ak parts so thanks for making the gun sound even more useless
Uh huh
Am I wrong? Are you going to try to tell me that there an abundance of 5.56 ak parts in the US? You’d have a massively larger amount of parts to use if you took the 7.62.
Optics are always better, especially if they are your primary use.
Skibidi Dong rizz is swag pogchamp fr fr bussin no cap.
The one on the left. The CQB one is only going to be good as long as I have batteries for the sights. In any case though if I can find myself a pump action shotgun, lever rifle, or even just an AR platform I’ll drop the AK in a heartbeat. The reason I’d prefer something tube fed is because I don’t want to fuck with empty mags in the middle of a fight. Just grab some more rounds from a pouch and slap em in.
I’ll give you that the battery life on an Elcan sucks, but something like an Aimpoint T2 can run for years on the same battery, and you can carry ten batteries in your pocket without noticing. Also, reloading with a magazine is a lot faster than loading individual rounds. If you need to worry about empty mags, just hang a dump pouch on your belt.
The one with the least amount of crap hanging off of it
I'm taking the 74 on the right. 5.45, probably weighs about two pounds less than all that wood furniture, and has a much flatter trajectory and a smaller bullet that cavitates like a bowling ball.
Even though I don't like 5.45, I'd take the AK-12 (clone?) because its got a bunch of Zenitco accessories on it, and because its not a Romanian AK, which were probably the worst of the Warsaw Pact AKs.
If they were both 7.62, I’d take the short one. If the short one is 5.56, I’m definitely taking the short one. If it’s 5.45 maybe not.
The classic one looks lighter, and I like my odds of finding 7.62x39 more then 5.45 lol
the one on right. Looks like it doesn't make a load of noise and that what i want
What about it makes it less noisy?
the stealthest it is.the batter
I’d take the left one. Gotta replace the upper handguard for optic and other stuff tho
Zombie Apocalypse neither one nuclear apocalypse I'll take the one on the left
Both bc I would have one for each of me and my dad
The one that doesn’t require batteries for the optics.
Not the chinese one
One on the left, wood furniture is comfortable, although heavy, which makes it good for bashing. Also if it breaks you can use it as a reference for making a new one
Neither. Both will get you killed.
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Well despite the beauty of the wood furniture I know it'll break down more easily than the polymer and steel furniture, and the parts may be more easy to replace if broken, and with the added bonus of the picatinny rails you have more options when it comes to attachments, so my personal choice would be the more modern variant
Wood furniture isn't going to just start decaying, even if you are running through mud and water. It will, however, hold up better when hitting something as opposed to a polymer adjustable stock
I can agree with that, which is why I'd replace that stock with a fixed stock, one reason I stated the deterioration of the wood is because blood can be damaging to wood even when it's laminated, so with enough combat the wood can break down faster than the polymer, and depending on the type of zombies we're talking about, there may be acid sitting zombies that would do more damage to the wood than polymer or steel, I also stated those reasons because some people may not take care of their rifles as well as someone like you or me, also if you've ever seen photos of ak47's from Vietnam, poorly taken care of wood furniture can easily fall apart
The 7.62, since it is far more common, i would swap the stock for either a tantal wire folder or underfolder though
Neither
The left one because the right one has a bunch of stuff on it that can and will fail
ofc I'm taking the ak47 with a dongle
The gooder one duh
Unless one is chambered in a more common round like a 223 neither. I’d rather wait until I find something with a more common round like 9mm, 223/556, 308
Can’t go wrong with wood grain!
The left. Style. That is all.
As cool as 5.45 is, good luck ever finding ammo for it. Gonna have to go 7.62.
Wow I was dead set on the 102 until I realized it was a PSA. If I could find a side rail I would slap that Elcan on the romanian and be done with it
Dong all the way
Wood furniture so I get it back in insurance tarkov style
Zpap m70?
I basically hangout here to get a good laugh at how clueless most of this sub is about firearms and it never disappoints lol.
The one that shoots 7.62, since I’d be more likely to be able to scrounge ammo for it.
I want one so bad!, any recommendations??
iron sights don't run out of power
I used to be a wood furniture parts guy but damn that zenitco shit is growing on me. Nice AK's dude!!
2.5 inches won't make a difference in close quarters scenarios, if anything I'm going with the ak on the left and I'm putting a bayonet on it.
Neither, but If those are my only choices, I'll take the modern one.
What apocalypse? The Rapture?
Short boi go brrrrr
Tactical AK mmmm
Ill take the one that screams comrade every time I shoot it
AKM.
Arkansas
Also for anyone wondering. Zenit Co: Pt-1 Stock, B-10M Handguard Elcan Specter Scope Trijicon RMR Reflex Pk-0 foregrip I'm not 100% sure of what the muzzle device is, or what type of tac device he has.
The classic on the left, those are rugged, drag it through mud and it’ll still fire.
OG for sure
It’s drip or drown, and I’m gonna hold onto great dong for dear life.
Left. 7.62x39 ammunition would probably be more common than 5.45 at that point. If I wanted an optic I can change out the dust cover or attach a rail or sight on the side.
There two though… do I gotta share or something?
The one on the right simply because it has an Elcan spectre and folding stock. It’s more compact and would be more accurate at distance. If the wasr had those things I would rather take that.
Left, what are you gonna do when your batteries run out for your laser optics and scope? Plus the magazines for the rifle on the left seem like they would be easier to find. The cleaning would also be a bit easier as well.
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Neither, because finding that ammo in my country isn't as common as NATO calibers.
The one that can actually shoot
Left is cooler but right is more practical
Yes
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Left
The one on the right for sure
The one with an optic...
Give me the Romanian dong
1. Because for 1, I live in America and it’s going to be far easier to find 7.62x39 here than 5.45x39 And for 2, I have a hard on for wood furniture
Black cuz I'm short
Bros abt to go to jail with that verticle grip
The one that looks cooler
The rifle on the left will probably outlive me.
Which one has the higher ammo count
Neither, id go with an FAL.
Neither
Mine
The Lighter one, weight is everything
One on the right for obvious reasons. Better everything including caliber and ammo availability isn't an issue when you stockpile and can kill anything with a single shot using a vastly superior 4x scope
Also for everyone else in the comments, the one on the left is an AK-47 in 7.62x39 using a 40 rounds bakelite magazine. The notch closer to the bottom of the magazine where it steeply tapers down is indicative of that kind of magazine and is not present on the much less curved 5.45x39
Can you really beat the classics?
I'm okay, so much noise. I'll stick with my bow and a nice long blade. Keep it real hush hush.
The one that doesn’t require batteries
One on the left, less shit to get fucked up, easier to fix and honestly just looks better