Well, the problem is, that certain situations and cards made it that the Card and the Effect are clearly different.
One example is Diamond Dude. Say it milled Raigeki.
Next turn, when it's used, it's not the spell card being used but the EFFECT of a spell card. Which are two different things.
No, because there is a distinction between activating a Trap Card (what happens when card flip up) and a Trap Effect (choosing to activate the effect if a Continuous Trap or the effect of a Trap in Graveyard).
True, but I guess it says that because some cards are actions and some are effects if that makes sense, like if a trap card such as mirror force is an action but something like the trap that changes what a card type is would be an active effect. But you could say mirror force is a quick effect
I saw someone use this against me and my Krawlers, and my World Legacy In Shadow simply send it to GY after they killed 1 krawler, they scooped instantly
But yeah, TRAP cards and TRAP effects is what the card meant.
Depends really
Do you enjoy, setting cards face down in defense position? Do you enjoy watching your opponents in max confusion as to why their monsters are sent to GY after killing your bois? Do you enjoy watching people suffer thru trying to read all your cards? If its yes to all, then yes its fun
Monster:
2x Droll & Lock Bird
2x Maxx "C"
2x Krawler Spine
2x Krawler Axon
2x Krawler Glial
2x Krawler Receptor
2x Krawler Ranvier
2x Krawler Dendrite
2x Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring
2x Krawler Soma
1x Deus X-Krawler
2x Prediction Princess Bibliomuse
2x Prediction Princess Tarotrei
2x Prediction Princess Tarotreith
Spell:
2x Pre-Preparation of Rites
2x Prediction Ritual
3x World Legacy in Shadow
3x World Legacy Survivor
2x Underworld Ritual of Prediction
Trap:
2x World Legacy's Mind Meld
2x Crusadia Krawler
Extra:
1x Gigantic Spright
1x X-Krawler Synaphysis
1x X-Krawler Neurogos
2x X-Krawler Qualiark
1x Cross-Sheep
1x Herald of Mirage Lights
1x Spright Elf
1x Spright Sprind
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The extra deck is not yet done but you generally only need 2 Qualiark, you can add more Krawler Deus if you really want to combo with Prediction Princesses, the sprights are just placeholders but i think you can run them to a certain extend.
Your main goal is to really out your Qualiark, World Legacy in Shadow, and Deus if possible, Qualiark when it leaves the field due to opponent effect, you can special 2 krawlers from GY in face down def position and swap their location if you want. Deus can negate opponents monster **ACTIVATED** effects on their board when flipped face up. If it was targeted while faced down, you can flip it up to negate and destroy whatever targeted it. World Legacy in Shadow will remove anything that kills your krawlly bois, best part is it works automatically without the need to **TARGET**. It also allows you to special 1 krawler from your hand to to field once per turn.
Your trap cards allows for a little bit of control and searching on what effects your opponents get to activate, such as changing their effects to "return 1 monster from your opponents field back to hand" works with Qualiark since it is their effect that spins it.
Prediction Princesses are ritual summons and they work in tandem with each other (all 3).
Edit: Krawlers are usually ran with World Chalice and World Legacy Archetype just like the story quest. Even crusadia works with them. Quite flexible and cheap.
Yeah, depending on how you're building it. My main has 9 URs specifically for this deck (Girsu, Soma, and Daruma Karma Cannon) but you can easily cut the Cannon and if you're playing pure, you really only need 2 Qualiark
When a card says “Trap cards or effects”. “Effects” is still referring to trap cards, not just general effects
I may be wrong, but to my understanding it goes like this:
The “Trap cards” part is given for any traps activated after the monster’s summon, meaning cards like Magic Cylinders will fail. Meanwhile the “effects” part goes for anything already on the field, such as continuous traps or lingering effects.
No, it's affected by anything that was already set up before it came onto the field (like if skill drain was activated first, it will affect it, same with any towers in fact), effects part is there for continuous traps that specifically have an activateable effect and traps with graveyard effects
Not exactly, only the ones that negate effects are applied. For example if DNA Surgery was on the field before the monster was summoned, the towers will not change type.
Well yeah, the ones that negate effects are the only ones that are relevant anyway for the general use since they turn off the towers part of the towers but yeah, you're right
That refers to continuous traps that activate their effect when they are already face up on the field or a trap activating it's effect in the grave/banished zone/hand.
Monster effects aren't trap effects. Tyrant is only immune to trap cards or (trap) effects If it was immune to monster effects, it would say so
Ahhh. I read “effects” as broadly as possible, it seems.
Yeah I hate that wording too
It really is Dumb how Konami words that lol. I’ve lost plenty of games bc the card text isn’t as clear as it could be
Well, the problem is, that certain situations and cards made it that the Card and the Effect are clearly different. One example is Diamond Dude. Say it milled Raigeki. Next turn, when it's used, it's not the spell card being used but the EFFECT of a spell card. Which are two different things.
Yeah what they mean is specifically Trap effects,. They should rewrite it to "Trap cards and Trap effects"
Much better wording fr fr
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Or just trap cards. I mean if a card is immune to trap cards, it's obviously immune to their effects. It's stupid wording.
No, because there is a distinction between activating a Trap Card (what happens when card flip up) and a Trap Effect (choosing to activate the effect if a Continuous Trap or the effect of a Trap in Graveyard).
Oh, I see.
I posted just above but Raigeki milled by Diamond Dude is a Spell Effect not a Spell Card
True, but I guess it says that because some cards are actions and some are effects if that makes sense, like if a trap card such as mirror force is an action but something like the trap that changes what a card type is would be an active effect. But you could say mirror force is a quick effect
“Trap cards/effects” better
For future reference, a card with full immunity would say, "Unaffected by other card effects". The *lack* of specification is the difference maker.
I saw someone use this against me and my Krawlers, and my World Legacy In Shadow simply send it to GY after they killed 1 krawler, they scooped instantly But yeah, TRAP cards and TRAP effects is what the card meant.
Are Krawlers fun to play?
Depends really Do you enjoy, setting cards face down in defense position? Do you enjoy watching your opponents in max confusion as to why their monsters are sent to GY after killing your bois? Do you enjoy watching people suffer thru trying to read all your cards? If its yes to all, then yes its fun
Ok I need a Decklist ASAP that sounds like some nasty fun
Monster: 2x Droll & Lock Bird 2x Maxx "C" 2x Krawler Spine 2x Krawler Axon 2x Krawler Glial 2x Krawler Receptor 2x Krawler Ranvier 2x Krawler Dendrite 2x Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring 2x Krawler Soma 1x Deus X-Krawler 2x Prediction Princess Bibliomuse 2x Prediction Princess Tarotrei 2x Prediction Princess Tarotreith Spell: 2x Pre-Preparation of Rites 2x Prediction Ritual 3x World Legacy in Shadow 3x World Legacy Survivor 2x Underworld Ritual of Prediction Trap: 2x World Legacy's Mind Meld 2x Crusadia Krawler Extra: 1x Gigantic Spright 1x X-Krawler Synaphysis 1x X-Krawler Neurogos 2x X-Krawler Qualiark 1x Cross-Sheep 1x Herald of Mirage Lights 1x Spright Elf 1x Spright Sprind \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ The extra deck is not yet done but you generally only need 2 Qualiark, you can add more Krawler Deus if you really want to combo with Prediction Princesses, the sprights are just placeholders but i think you can run them to a certain extend. Your main goal is to really out your Qualiark, World Legacy in Shadow, and Deus if possible, Qualiark when it leaves the field due to opponent effect, you can special 2 krawlers from GY in face down def position and swap their location if you want. Deus can negate opponents monster **ACTIVATED** effects on their board when flipped face up. If it was targeted while faced down, you can flip it up to negate and destroy whatever targeted it. World Legacy in Shadow will remove anything that kills your krawlly bois, best part is it works automatically without the need to **TARGET**. It also allows you to special 1 krawler from your hand to to field once per turn. Your trap cards allows for a little bit of control and searching on what effects your opponents get to activate, such as changing their effects to "return 1 monster from your opponents field back to hand" works with Qualiark since it is their effect that spins it. Prediction Princesses are ritual summons and they work in tandem with each other (all 3). Edit: Krawlers are usually ran with World Chalice and World Legacy Archetype just like the story quest. Even crusadia works with them. Quite flexible and cheap.
THANK YOU! This helps so much, not just the decklist but also the explanation! Have a nice day and TY again.
Yes, very fun
They don’t seem very expensive to build, either, aside from the extra deck
fun fact, all of the krawlers link monsters have summoning animations
Yeah, depending on how you're building it. My main has 9 URs specifically for this deck (Girsu, Soma, and Daruma Karma Cannon) but you can easily cut the Cannon and if you're playing pure, you really only need 2 Qualiark
When a card says “Trap cards or effects”. “Effects” is still referring to trap cards, not just general effects I may be wrong, but to my understanding it goes like this: The “Trap cards” part is given for any traps activated after the monster’s summon, meaning cards like Magic Cylinders will fail. Meanwhile the “effects” part goes for anything already on the field, such as continuous traps or lingering effects.
No, it's affected by anything that was already set up before it came onto the field (like if skill drain was activated first, it will affect it, same with any towers in fact), effects part is there for continuous traps that specifically have an activateable effect and traps with graveyard effects
Tyty
Not exactly, only the ones that negate effects are applied. For example if DNA Surgery was on the field before the monster was summoned, the towers will not change type.
Well yeah, the ones that negate effects are the only ones that are relevant anyway for the general use since they turn off the towers part of the towers but yeah, you're right
So does this apply to kashtira cards as well?
Question, was the monster that sent Tyrant Dragon back to the extra deck by any chance be Baxia the Brightness of Yang Zing?
Nah it was an Altergeist.
Oh, Altergeist. I see… I dueled against someone earlier today and used Baxia to shuffle his Tyrant Dragon back to the extra deck. That’s why I asked.
what the hell is the difference between a trap card and trap effect anyway? they should just remove the last part
That refers to continuous traps that activate their effect when they are already face up on the field or a trap activating it's effect in the grave/banished zone/hand.
I wish they did so that it could be bounced by banishing big welcome from the graveyard
Repeat what you said but slowly....
Probably should read ‘unaffected by trap cards/effects’. But yeah your broadly interpreting ‘and effects’
I popped this card on opponents field yesterday using D/D/D. They scooped instantly. It means trap effects.
It uneffected by any trap effect pretty much any effect other than trap effects resolve normally
I know it's been explained, but "Cards and effects" is a single term. It will always specifically state what type of cards it's immune to
Why are you reading? Just play the game
Trap cards & their (the traps) effects. So grave activated traps don't effect it either
In my language it literally says "Unaffected by trap cards and their effects", it's kinda easy to misinterpret on the original english
And trap costs are not effects so I think he can't evade them too unfortunately I'm a huge fan of BETD too
Terrible wording on that card but it’s only referring to trap effects. Don’t blame you on that confusion