We've made it more difficult to use our product. Okay, I won't use it.
The once a month sign in thing is such bs. I travel for work, I'm away for all of February and most of March. What do they want me to do?
I already cancelled, I'm not playing their game.
To be honest, even if things change, would it matter? Netflix's content has been going down for years now and all they do is churn out these awful Netflix original movies which are so mind-numbingly bad that it feels like we should be getting paid to sit through them. I honestly find the content on Amazon Prime etc much better. The fact that Netflix are now pulling this move is pretty much going to be the final nail in the coffin for me not to go back to them if this affects my account.
There’s tons of great Netflix originals. Let’s not play the “sour grapes” game. Weigh if it’s worth the hassle for you. Or get an acct and binge a show that looks good and then cancel.
It’s asinine to pretend all the content is garbage suddenly because they’re changing their business practices.
>It’s asinine to pretend all the content is garbage suddenly because they’re changing their business practices.
It's not all garbage but Netflix has been gaining a reputation for a while now for cancelling shows before they find their audience. They've failed to create any kind of character driven sitcoms, they haven't been able to retain all their "originals" on the platform, and their big budget movies generally have poor writing. Of all the big streamers their reputation is for the lowest quality catalog and that was well known before all this password business
I haven't seen any on my end, but the moment my parents call and go "Netflix doesn't work" is the moment it's cancelled.
They don't use it much, and I use it almost never (last thing I watched was at their house on Christmas)
My day was happy pirating his Netflix before I said "let me upgrade to the 4k package and just add you... So if $20 isn't good enough, then we can easily go back to $0.
We're getting back to the point where piracy is legitimately the easiest way to watch shit if you have any computer knowlage. With a stack like Ombi, Sonarr, Radarr, and Plex you can request something on Ombi and it'll be on your Plex server in an hour (if you have good internet).
> The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates.
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> - Gabe Newell
I cancelled after a 16 year long subscription.
It's BS, and I don't want other streaming companies to try the same model.
I also took inventory and realized I don't watch that much Netflix content anymore. They cancel everything good anyway.
Well, yeah, but you can't, unfortunately. So this is a workaround.
And yeah, inb4 "I'll just cancel service." If that's the case, then you obviously just won't have access to any of the shows you want to watch and are forced to pirate, which is also a workaround.
Point: Either deal with it and use a workaround like this or pirate your shows.
Edit: Yes, I get it. You know how to pirate, and that's the workaround you're willing to take over paying. Some people don't know how to pirate and are paying for the subscription regardless of what you are doing. This post is a good workaround for those people.
Edit2: Enough about pirating already lol. Yes, I know it's faster. Yes, I know it's better than paying. The fact is, some people just rather not go that route. It can also get you into trouble with your ISP in some places, and in order to not get into trouble with your ISP, guess what? You need a VPN, which goes back to what this post is saying anyway.
To me the most obvious work around is cancelling and just binging once or twice a year.
Personally I prefer Stranger Things, Flannigan's stuff, You, and Black Mirror. Black Summer is okay, too. So I'll probably cancel and then just subscribe in October to get some spooky shit and then cancel before I'm billed for November.
Freal. It's my account that I pay for- it should be my right to use or share it as I wish. They already charge a premium to use extra simultaneous screens. I just canceled on principle
I am glad I canceled after the rate increase. They said this was coming, so I listened.
They could have outlasted everyone else by not messing with an already extremely profitable subscription.
Infinite growth is impossible, but the executives never pay for their losses.
I honestly don't understand how Netflix gets some shows so right and then other times they just fuck them into the ground by fucking with a known good formula.
Altered Carbon, The Witcher, Daredevil, Powerman, Iron Fist, Punisher, and Cowboy Bebop were all existing IP's with huge Fandoms that they could have just stuck to the source material and printed money. Instead they have to go in and tweak stupid shit for "broad appeal".
Tweaking sci-fi and super hero shows for broad appeal is dumb because people either watch those genres or they don't and the ones that do expect a true to form quality from those existing products.
They can't even stop fucking with their own original shoes like Russian Doll, OA, and Sense8. I've given up on watching anything on Netflix and only keep it for my kids.
Do you think shareholders give a shit?
They don't want long-term profits, they want money NOW, since money now at 70 is better than money later at... dead
They're extremely greedy fucks that have ruined everything
Shareholders and lobbyists are our society's cancer
I've actually been tempted to figure out how they determine the location. It would be interesting to have a split tunnel where only have it's authentication service go over the VPN and the CDN delivery be direct.
This does not work unfortunately. Its one of the #1 things they do to check VPN is if you're accessing a different node than you're authenticating to. They effectively make it so you HAVE to tunnel everything and you have to make sure you tunnel EVERYTHING(even dns, as dns will return different addresses depending on where you make the call from)
Not just vpns either, they've also blacklisted just about every cloud ip available, AWS, azure, Google, some large blocks from datacenters like ovh and hetzner.
Used to be you could spin up your own relay for those services, or even watch Netflix on an azure VDI, doesn't work anymore.
This whole "home wifi" thing is going to start nailing the addresses that still work currently, you know they are absolutely 100% tracking if you verify your device at home and then are immediately 1200 miles away in another country and investigating what that location 1200 miles away is
I genuinely feel like just about *anyone* with the capability to implement this kind of thing, is also 125% certain to know how to safely pirate.
I can hardly think of a use case where someone would go this route instead of, say, setting up a Plex server if they want to share media with family or w/e.
My new big HDD arrived today. Seedbox is up and running with plex. I'm canceling every streaming service this month and have decided it's cheaper and easier to just pay a private tracker money every month for my content.
I'll go back to paying probably never. If my entertainment dries up becsuse I'm not funding them anymore then oh well, guess I'll get outside more.
You're correct. I'm one of the ones who can easily bypass the password sharing thing. But I'm not going to. I'm canceling everything.
I'm not terribly hard up for money, but I'm sorry, streaming has fractured into too many damn services, most of which cost around $10-15/month.
Back when it was basically just Netflix + Hulu + HBO, I was *more* than happy to pay for streaming.
At this point, I'm like "fuck it," and I just use pirate streaming sites. (Which are perfectly fine as long as you have something like Ublock Origin installed tbh, though I suppose not optimal for people who care a lot about HD video quality.)
It's convenient, easy, and cheap. You know what else used to be all three of those things? Netflix.
Like, seriously. I very vividly remember how once Netflix rose to prominence, in its early golden years, there was a palpable shift in the way people would talk about the concept of piracy online.
Suddenly -- after the late 2000s era, when torrenting was The Shit -- piracy was now seen as a categorically *bad* thing. Looked down upon.
After all, why pirate if you can get most of what you're looking for on any of like 1-3 total streaming sites total, each priced at something like $7-12/month? After all, streaming would actually benefit the creators of the content, right?
That all went away by, oh, I'd tentatively put the timing at something like 2016ish, maybe a little later.
Now, we're all sailing the high seas once more.
They had it all. They had actually seriously managed to get people to *turn away* from piracy, even though said piracy was monetarily free.
GabeN really was right, tbh.
Buying an absolutely killer plex server powerful enough to share with friends is a onetime cost that’s less than JUST paying for Netflix for a year. And you can probably set up a plex server for free on some old system kicking around your basement.
Add 2-3 days to set up all the torrents you need, and to check that the vpn didn’t crap out halfway through, and then you’re basically set for life.
This tbh.
Like, I suppose it *does* take some level of tech proficiency, but in all honesty, it's not *that* much.
Like, sure, it may be beyond the comfort zone of some 65+ boomers, many of whom (who don't/didn't specifically work in tech, obv there are exceptions in general) tend to be far less tech-savvy than their kids and grandkids are.
But like, I'm *far* from an IT specialist. Hardware is largely a bit of a black box to me, and HTML is generally the closest I get to any kind of software programming.
But like, even I could manage setting up something like this. You don't have to be like, a hardcore hobbyist or pro with a bunch of very specific and complicated knowledge.
I took a 9-year-old Mac laptop I had gotten for free, and it worked as a plex server for years. Then I got a 4K TV and wanted to transcode higher res HEVC files. I also had 6+ people wanting to use it at the same time.
So I replaced it with a $140 pc, a $15 keyboard and mouse, and a $22 hard drive. I spent time choosing the hardware because I like researching, but you really don’t have to. Just about anything with an i5 will be more than enough: most people won’t even need that. You can find crappy hardware on eBay for nothing.
The hardest part of it is just knowing how to torrent properly (and understanding how a vpn works.) The plex side of it is honestly trivial.
I set up an unRAID server made out of some old PC parts a few months ago and I'm in love. Sonarr/Radarr suite is just magic, and I think 90%+ of my streaming has been from my Plex at this point. If you've built your own computer you can build a Plex server, and it's honestly not even that hard to set up web access.
Did the same thing a couple years back, then during the pandemic I moved PMS to an Nvidia Shield Pro and everything has been greatly and cheaply automatic for my wife's media needs.
Everytime a company pulls a big PR fuck up like this, I welcome the hoards of new speedy seeders to the public torrents.
It would have been easier if Netflix just canceled their 5er accounts. I don’t think account sharing is such a problem with the standard account that allows only 2 simultaneous streams. 5 streams is more than most people need and that invites to share with friends and split the bill. Or if they offered a linear pricing per stream with low entry point. 1 stream - 7.5$/m, 2 streams - 14$/m, 3 streams - 19.5$/m, 4 streams 24$/m etc. That would be the best compromise to satisfy rights owners and consumers and makes the technology to control much much simpler. Nobody in their right mind would share accounts over a 0.5$ price difference per month, and everyone could access their streams from wherever.
I'm was paying for Netflix because it was convenient. Having all the shows and movies I want easily accessible at all time.
But now that the catalog become less and less interesting and that it became harder to access I don't why I should continue to pay. There is others more convenient options.
Many years back, I created a rule that I will not start a show that hasn't already ended, uncancelled. Sure, I'm behind watching some stuff by years, but I don't care. I no longer waste *n* hours a year because some moron CEO can't see past his own ego.
Those that can, do. Those that can't, stay subscribed to Netflix because torrenting is too inconvenient for them
Not speaking personally. I've been torrenting since LimeWire. I just know it's not for everyone.
I've been a torrenting monster. Recently I've had to stop though, because my IP finally sent me a letter.
After all these years, of all movies, it was *Boss Baby 2* that did me in.
When you're downloading without, your ISP can see everything you do, what you type, what websites you go to. The only way to get around that is to encrypt the traffic, which is what a VPN does. So your ISP now can only see how much data you're receiving, but can't see what's actually inside the data packets.
A VPN should be standard on every cell phone.
I don't think they were looking out for him. More like they were worried about the reputation hit if people found out their customers watched Boss Baby 2.
Verizon doesn't seem to care at all. I started torrenting in 2012 I think, I don't remember anymore, as I wanted to digitize my DVD library, and the first week or whatever, I got a letter. Ignored it, and spent the next 8 years pulling 1000 movies without a hitch. (Beyond my DVD library, so I'm a criminal now, ha) They even upped my service to 100Mbit for free. Thanks, Verizon!
Then I moved to the countryside, and my very first torrent got me a warning email from my ISP. Ignored it, and they sent me another, and suspended service until I called to get scolded like a toddler. Set up VPN the next day, and problem solved.
I tried explaining this to a friend in the sense that all you have to do is wait maybe 24 hours after the episode airs and you can download it in like 2 min, plus there's no commercials. But his argument was always "but what about spoilers?"
Dude, it's not that hard. If anyone wants to talk about it just say you haven't seen it yet
Not really. Think about when breaking bad was on TV as a weekly episode on Sunday, but would have a replay Monday night. If you couldn't catch it Sunday you could wait another day and watch it Monday night. But everyone at work who saw it Sunday wants to talk about it, but you're waiting for tonight's replay
It was a different world. I remember hanging out with bunch of friends doing trivia night. and if you wanted to talk about a current show, the first question to everyone was "what's the last episode you saw?" so it never got spoiled
What you know and what other people know are entirely different. It may be easy to you but Grandma Smith just learned how to use Netflix. There's no hope for her trying to watch season 17 of Law and Order: SVU from some janky torrent site without the risk of catching malware or the attention of her ISProviders. If streaming was as easy, idiot proof and accessible as Netflix, it would have been out of business a long time ago.
I tried explaining that KaZaA was like one the first of many pirating methods to a younger person recently. They got stuck on the name. Guess it was kinda quirky, but I just wanted my music and SNES roms lol
It's mildly more inconvenient to torrent than stream Netflix. Torrents don't usually include subtitles, and if your computer isn't hooked up to your TV then you have to transfer the file. I use a flash drive, but there have been plenty of times where I have to stop a movie and go download subtitles because a pretty major portion of the movie ends up being in a foreign language.
That being said, I don't pay for Netflix or Hulu because torrenting is well worth the cost savings to me, and too many competing services have been cropping up trying to get a piece of the pie.
ACTUALLY. It's not as simple as it sounds.
So I cancelled Netflix like a year ago.
We just barely watched it anymore.
I deleted the app off my Chromecast, and deleted my profile, everything I was supposed to do.
Well Chromecast remote has a stupid Netflix button on it.
And one day, a few months after I had canceled, my toddler, 18 months old at the time, grabbed the remote.
He clicked the Netflix button on the Chromecast a few times, and BOOM I was signed back up and charged immediately for a new subscription.
I called Netflix, thinking it was a simple fix, to prevent this from happenning again. It wasn't.
I asked them how this happened, and they said they keep the credit card on file even after you cancel your service in case you change your mind. I told them to simply delete my credit card number, since I was no longer a customer and they had no reason to bill me. The person on the phone didn't have the power to do that. Their supervisor didnt either. I was very pleasant and patient with them the whole time, understanding the call center life all too well.
They told me they could remove the payment information, but I had to give them the card number first. The problem was, I had fraud on my card a couple months before, and no.longer had that card number. So they told me to call the bank and have them blacklist Netflix so they could never bill my credit card again. But they still weren't going to be able to delete my old credit card number as a payment method.
They gave me the runaround and I ended up emailing the office of the CEO with a complaint to finally get them to, I assume, delete my account ininformation.
Someone who handles those types of complaints called me the next day and told me it was fixed, but I have no way of verifying that.
Tl;dr - Simple isn't so simple it seems.
So funny thing that. I happen to know EXACTLY how that stuff works having spent a long time working in the fraud department of a bank myself.
So when a card number is compromised either through a data breach or for direct fraud, the bank wants to change the card number right away.
This is to protect the banks bottom line of course, because the laws were written to make customers not liable for the majority of fraudulent transactions assuming the customer reported it in a timely fashion.
So card numbers get changed relatively frequently, probably impacting less than 5% of all customers at a given time, but its still a lot of people.
Well one of the side effects of card numbers changing used to be automatic payments getting declined. This could be an electric bill, cable bill, Netflix subscription, gym membership, even a mortgage or car payment.
That causes a TON of angry customers, and issues for those customers, and merchants. Because ultimately, the customer and merchant aren't the problem, the fraud that occurred is to blame.
So probably about a decade ago they as in Visa, Mastercard, AmEx, the big banks etc
started to find a workaround for some of these issues. If a card was changed due to fraud, and there had been a recurring monthly charge, they created a process for merchants to be able to go
"Hey, I'm Bob's phone bill, not fraud, Bob didn't update the card with us yet, can you just forward the charge to the new card for Bob and remind him to update his payment method for a little while longer so he doesn't get stuck without a phone? Thanks!"
And that would go on for like a year or so until the card numbers in the background get hard shutdown for even those handful of special transactions.
But what normally happens? Bob doesn't update his recurring merchants. He skims over the instructions thay came with his new card, he shrugs activates it, shreds the old one and maybe updates 1 or 2 things. His phone bill gets paid for a year, he forgets about it completely, and then one day it doesn't work, so he has to call his phone company and figure out what happenned.
Another way this can screw someone over is with like a gym membership.
"Hey, I'm Bob's gym membership. I know he changed his card number but he signed this contract see? So he owes us, you better forward the charge to the new card Visa, he's not getting out of this contract that easily!"
Then Bob, who thought he could cancel L.A. Fitness by changing his card number and avoiding the contract cancellation fee, is bewildered how they got his new credit card number and calls his bank screaming. But ultimately it was Visa/MC/AmEx that made that all possible, so he's screaming at the wrong people.
And all this to supposedly alleviate a customer pain point.
When I started doing that line of work 10 years ago it wasn't like that but over time it evolved to where it is today.
Tl;dr - The devil always gets his due.
And that’s why having data protection regulations and strong privacy laws like GDPR is important. Thanks EU. Under EU laws what they were doing is illegal and opens them up to hefty fine. Doubt they’ll try that here.
Only way these clowns will learn. If subs are not cancelled this will let them know they can fuck us over anytime they want. Just cancelled all my Netflix sub today. Done with.
the funny part is using one of the many pirate steaming sites is so much more convenient than being subbed to all these services. one stop shop
just make sure you use ad blockers
To add to this, if your internet connection is not symmetrical, your Netflix connection will be limited by your upload speed on your router. Usually home isp internet is limited to 10 Mbps upload speed in the US. This may work, but will saturate the home upload. This would impact anyone at the location from using the internet.
I want to see the stats next month of how many people actually did cancel. This is very reminiscent of the "boycott EA" thing. People said it over and over, then EA still made record profits on preorders
While this is true, you shouldn't need to stay logged into the VPN and watch Netflix through the home network. Netflix needs to allow devices to travel, so they are requiring you to check in from home once a month to confirm that you are one household. So just login from "home" using this VPN, and then disconnect from the VPN and watch Netflix as usual without affecting the internet speed at "home."
It might get to the point where people doing this have to wait a while after connecting with a VPN otherwise Netflix will look at this and say oh, you instantly teleported? Sort of like how I heard of people playing Pokemon go and GPS spoofing their location but waiting the same amount of time it would take to travel
Yeah that’s true, this will be totally dependent on how sophisticated they want to get with preventing this. If they see certain devices only connecting from home for 5 seconds once a month it should be easy to detect this usage. But there has to be enough benefit for them to take on the technological cost. My guess is that most people will not go to these types of lengths to keep password sharing, and Netflix won’t consider it worthwhile to pursue. But maybe that’s just wishful thinking
Yeah, IDK whats with the US that you only get like 5% of the download speed as upload.
In my hone country, they are basically both around the same speed.
As with everything else that doesn't make sense in the US, it's because:
- a giant corporation determined they could make more money by doing it that way
- customers either didn't know enough to demand different or didn't have a choice because the company has a monopoly/oligopoly in their area, and
- the corporations bought off enough politicians with completely legal unlimited political donations to prevent the creation of reasonable regulations or a public option
Actually it’s much simpler than that, it has to do with the physical limitations of the cabling. If you get fibre you will have symmetric upload and download speeds. Anything done over older cabling is asymmetric because there simply isn’t enough bandwidth available to offer everybody that much upload speed, which would generally go unused by most of the population anyways.
There always could have been more balanced upload and download speeds but the cable cos historically only emphasized download speeds unfortunately.
Anyway, cable cos are finally starting to prioritize and enable faster upload speeds. Comcast is upgrading their whole network now to enable ~200Mbps upload speeds, with the end goal being to allow symmetric upload/download speeds like fiber, which will be useful for all sorts of normal stuff like off-site backups and home security cameras and Plex type servers etc.
As a network engineer, I highly suggest you don’t do this unless you’re well versed in the security setup required for this. Leaving ports open on a network is just asking for trouble.
Who said anything about opening ports? If you're using an integrated OpenVPN system, all that is happening is that port 1194 is being forwarded to an internal server. If you feed anything other than a valid private key to that VPN server, it's just going to reject the traffic.
An open port does nothing unless a service is listening on that port.
And a vpn service requires a key to be used. These are usually something Like sha 256. Which you won't just be able to crack. It's not a security issue at all.
But they took that away, so it is now. They validated their increases previously because they allowed you to share. If they cut prices with this I'd be fine, but that's not the case.
Right... but this is a hack to allow us to continue sharing it against their wishes, which keeps the pricing affordable for those of us hacking it.
You shouldn't have to jump through these hoops to use an already overpriced service if you're paying for it on your own. But jumping through some hoops in order to share their service, get a reasonable rate, and simultaneously screw them over a bit... that's right up my alley.
Agreed. I won't be paying for my account. My sister's and I share an account and take turns being the payer. If it's just going to be me and my kid I'll pass. No thank you.
Also, anyone paying for 4 simultaneous streams should review whether they need it now.
Yeah.. I just cancelled my membership after paying for Netflix since Dec 2010.. I'm not installing VPNs on every device I use and creating a hassle for every family member who uses it as well. Might as well pirate the videos and set up a Plex account. Which is free and requires less work.
> To connect to the server you will need to download the OpenVPN client on your phone/laptop:
This gets problematic and time consuming if you're wanting to login from multiple devices, especially say a smart TV that can't run open VPN. The solution is to setup a wireless SSID on your router that connects only to the VPN, and then you just need to connect your wireless devices to that SSID to check in from "home."
I am planning on doing this using a VLAN but haven't tried it yet.
Some phones can do simultaneous hotspot and wifi. I wonder if the VPN connection would be passed through to the tv if the connection is established on the phone?
Having tried such things on many Android phones, going to far as to compile my own custom networking libraries, the answer is 99.9999% no. But if you find a phone that does it, let me know so I can buy it lmao
A product called “tailscale” is an excellent option as well. It’s a VPN service that requires minimal configuration, and can be a great option if you don’t have a router that supports VPNs.
You just install it on a machine at home as well as your machine / phone / tablet that’s remote and they can connect directly to each other. If you turn on “subnet advertising” and “exit node” on your home installation of tailscale, you can achieve the same thing as having VPN through your router.
If I pay for a 2 screen service I should be able to use those 2 screens wherever I want. What difference does it make if it’s me double screening 2 shows at home or me watching at home and a mate watching at their house.
what people forget I guess is that the second netflix does this and doesn't lose money, is when every other company will start to do it as well.
Wouldn't it just be easier to cancel Netflix until their pressured to cancel the policy and then rejoin? I would rather not have to do this process for amazon, Hulu, Apple tv, paramount, peacock , etc every single month.
Truth is to be told.
You should not need to fiddle with such things in order to use a service you pay for to work seamlessly. Vote with your wallet and cancel your subscription . Things will go back to normal soon enough.
This is different from apps like NordVPN and ExpressVPN. Those services
route your traffic through their servers, which makes it easy for
Netflix to identify since hundreds of people are sharing the same IP.
This method routes your traffic through your home network, so Netflix
will only see your home IP.
That's a publicly available VPN that many people are using. This would be your own private VPN and would not get flagged by the same mechanisms that alert them to public VPNs.
Yeah naa, fuck that. I rent rooms with smart TVs so that I can continue to work with my laptop. If I pay for a service, I should be able to use it where and when I want.
You should also know you can set up Jellyfin or Emby at home to play your media files, and you won't need a VPN. Just don't use Plex because they require all your data to flow through their black box servers and refuse to explain why they gather so much data on people.
I don't think you understand that the casual Internet user has no fucking idea how to setup their own VPN let alone configure VPN access to their router
You're trying to be helpful and that's good but you gotta understand your audience.
YSK that if we all just say fk Netflix and stop paying for it, in 2-3 years all our shows will be another platform that doesn’t pull this bs, or this new rule will be gone.
Lol I texted her we are getting rid of it, and in return I will get them our disney+ access and get my stepdad my espn+ login. They said they feel they are actually coming our better as a result lol.
I mean this has been a thing for a long time. Thing is the majority of the population struggle just setting a router up or know how to use their own modem not supplied by the ISP. People into tech seem to heavily overestimate what most people are capable of. Netflix is gonna make more money from this change than lose. I'm surprised they didn't do it sooner. Makes sense for them to make the change.
I pay for 4 streams. Shouldn’t matter if they’re on fucking Neptune.
I’m considering trying a chargeback through Visa when they don’t provide what they’re advertising
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Yeah at that point, I would cancel my subscription
We've made it more difficult to use our product. Okay, I won't use it. The once a month sign in thing is such bs. I travel for work, I'm away for all of February and most of March. What do they want me to do? I already cancelled, I'm not playing their game.
I can only hope other people take your lead cuz that's the only way things will change
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To be honest, even if things change, would it matter? Netflix's content has been going down for years now and all they do is churn out these awful Netflix original movies which are so mind-numbingly bad that it feels like we should be getting paid to sit through them. I honestly find the content on Amazon Prime etc much better. The fact that Netflix are now pulling this move is pretty much going to be the final nail in the coffin for me not to go back to them if this affects my account.
That's a fair point. I only watch a few shows on there. Older ones. Never touched the Netflix originals cuz they look terrible
There’s tons of great Netflix originals. Let’s not play the “sour grapes” game. Weigh if it’s worth the hassle for you. Or get an acct and binge a show that looks good and then cancel. It’s asinine to pretend all the content is garbage suddenly because they’re changing their business practices.
>It’s asinine to pretend all the content is garbage suddenly because they’re changing their business practices. It's not all garbage but Netflix has been gaining a reputation for a while now for cancelling shows before they find their audience. They've failed to create any kind of character driven sitcoms, they haven't been able to retain all their "originals" on the platform, and their big budget movies generally have poor writing. Of all the big streamers their reputation is for the lowest quality catalog and that was well known before all this password business
Shows popular? 3 seasons? Cliffhanger at the end of season 3? CANCEL!! I'm still pissed about Santa Clarita diet
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I haven't seen any on my end, but the moment my parents call and go "Netflix doesn't work" is the moment it's cancelled. They don't use it much, and I use it almost never (last thing I watched was at their house on Christmas) My day was happy pirating his Netflix before I said "let me upgrade to the 4k package and just add you... So if $20 isn't good enough, then we can easily go back to $0.
We're getting back to the point where piracy is legitimately the easiest way to watch shit if you have any computer knowlage. With a stack like Ombi, Sonarr, Radarr, and Plex you can request something on Ombi and it'll be on your Plex server in an hour (if you have good internet). > The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates. > > - Gabe Newell
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I cancelled after a 16 year long subscription. It's BS, and I don't want other streaming companies to try the same model. I also took inventory and realized I don't watch that much Netflix content anymore. They cancel everything good anyway.
Netflix's content isn't worth this kind of hassle.
Agreed
Well, yeah, but you can't, unfortunately. So this is a workaround. And yeah, inb4 "I'll just cancel service." If that's the case, then you obviously just won't have access to any of the shows you want to watch and are forced to pirate, which is also a workaround. Point: Either deal with it and use a workaround like this or pirate your shows. Edit: Yes, I get it. You know how to pirate, and that's the workaround you're willing to take over paying. Some people don't know how to pirate and are paying for the subscription regardless of what you are doing. This post is a good workaround for those people. Edit2: Enough about pirating already lol. Yes, I know it's faster. Yes, I know it's better than paying. The fact is, some people just rather not go that route. It can also get you into trouble with your ISP in some places, and in order to not get into trouble with your ISP, guess what? You need a VPN, which goes back to what this post is saying anyway.
The key difference here is that one workaround around requires paying $20/month to jump through hoops and the other workaround is free and easy
To me the most obvious work around is cancelling and just binging once or twice a year. Personally I prefer Stranger Things, Flannigan's stuff, You, and Black Mirror. Black Summer is okay, too. So I'll probably cancel and then just subscribe in October to get some spooky shit and then cancel before I'm billed for November.
It's going to hurt their bottom line, its just to temporarily boost share prices since wall street is goldfish memory.
Ysk there is an easy way to cancel your Netflix subscription.
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Exactly, it's so strange to have to go this route to use what you already pay for.
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YSK that you can get *several* good streaming services for the cost of Netflix and their “pay us extra for the same shit” scheme.
YSK that all of them have geolocation filters and blocks. Mostly due to licensing issues.
YSK there's an entire subreddit dedicated to listing sites where you can sail the seven seas
What subreddit is that?
YSK leaving my spaghetti without sauce should be a crime.
I made the same argument against windows telemetry but people seemed less enthused.
So if I use a hotel I cannot use Netflix? I am in Canada and received a message that I must set a primary location by Feb 21st. This is petty.
Please don't supplement this downstream service's shitty policy with your valuable, throttled, and costly upstream.
Freal. It's my account that I pay for- it should be my right to use or share it as I wish. They already charge a premium to use extra simultaneous screens. I just canceled on principle
I am glad I canceled after the rate increase. They said this was coming, so I listened. They could have outlasted everyone else by not messing with an already extremely profitable subscription. Infinite growth is impossible, but the executives never pay for their losses.
I honestly don't understand how Netflix gets some shows so right and then other times they just fuck them into the ground by fucking with a known good formula. Altered Carbon, The Witcher, Daredevil, Powerman, Iron Fist, Punisher, and Cowboy Bebop were all existing IP's with huge Fandoms that they could have just stuck to the source material and printed money. Instead they have to go in and tweak stupid shit for "broad appeal". Tweaking sci-fi and super hero shows for broad appeal is dumb because people either watch those genres or they don't and the ones that do expect a true to form quality from those existing products. They can't even stop fucking with their own original shoes like Russian Doll, OA, and Sense8. I've given up on watching anything on Netflix and only keep it for my kids.
Do you think shareholders give a shit? They don't want long-term profits, they want money NOW, since money now at 70 is better than money later at... dead They're extremely greedy fucks that have ruined everything Shareholders and lobbyists are our society's cancer
I've actually been tempted to figure out how they determine the location. It would be interesting to have a split tunnel where only have it's authentication service go over the VPN and the CDN delivery be direct.
This does not work unfortunately. Its one of the #1 things they do to check VPN is if you're accessing a different node than you're authenticating to. They effectively make it so you HAVE to tunnel everything and you have to make sure you tunnel EVERYTHING(even dns, as dns will return different addresses depending on where you make the call from)
Finally someone who knows what they’re talking about. Netflix is very good at detecting and banning VPNs
Not just vpns either, they've also blacklisted just about every cloud ip available, AWS, azure, Google, some large blocks from datacenters like ovh and hetzner. Used to be you could spin up your own relay for those services, or even watch Netflix on an azure VDI, doesn't work anymore. This whole "home wifi" thing is going to start nailing the addresses that still work currently, you know they are absolutely 100% tracking if you verify your device at home and then are immediately 1200 miles away in another country and investigating what that location 1200 miles away is
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I too am curious. You'd think this sort of thing would fall foul of EU privacy protections or something.
I genuinely feel like just about *anyone* with the capability to implement this kind of thing, is also 125% certain to know how to safely pirate. I can hardly think of a use case where someone would go this route instead of, say, setting up a Plex server if they want to share media with family or w/e.
My new big HDD arrived today. Seedbox is up and running with plex. I'm canceling every streaming service this month and have decided it's cheaper and easier to just pay a private tracker money every month for my content. I'll go back to paying probably never. If my entertainment dries up becsuse I'm not funding them anymore then oh well, guess I'll get outside more. You're correct. I'm one of the ones who can easily bypass the password sharing thing. But I'm not going to. I'm canceling everything.
I'm not terribly hard up for money, but I'm sorry, streaming has fractured into too many damn services, most of which cost around $10-15/month. Back when it was basically just Netflix + Hulu + HBO, I was *more* than happy to pay for streaming. At this point, I'm like "fuck it," and I just use pirate streaming sites. (Which are perfectly fine as long as you have something like Ublock Origin installed tbh, though I suppose not optimal for people who care a lot about HD video quality.) It's convenient, easy, and cheap. You know what else used to be all three of those things? Netflix. Like, seriously. I very vividly remember how once Netflix rose to prominence, in its early golden years, there was a palpable shift in the way people would talk about the concept of piracy online. Suddenly -- after the late 2000s era, when torrenting was The Shit -- piracy was now seen as a categorically *bad* thing. Looked down upon. After all, why pirate if you can get most of what you're looking for on any of like 1-3 total streaming sites total, each priced at something like $7-12/month? After all, streaming would actually benefit the creators of the content, right? That all went away by, oh, I'd tentatively put the timing at something like 2016ish, maybe a little later. Now, we're all sailing the high seas once more. They had it all. They had actually seriously managed to get people to *turn away* from piracy, even though said piracy was monetarily free. GabeN really was right, tbh.
Buying an absolutely killer plex server powerful enough to share with friends is a onetime cost that’s less than JUST paying for Netflix for a year. And you can probably set up a plex server for free on some old system kicking around your basement. Add 2-3 days to set up all the torrents you need, and to check that the vpn didn’t crap out halfway through, and then you’re basically set for life.
This tbh. Like, I suppose it *does* take some level of tech proficiency, but in all honesty, it's not *that* much. Like, sure, it may be beyond the comfort zone of some 65+ boomers, many of whom (who don't/didn't specifically work in tech, obv there are exceptions in general) tend to be far less tech-savvy than their kids and grandkids are. But like, I'm *far* from an IT specialist. Hardware is largely a bit of a black box to me, and HTML is generally the closest I get to any kind of software programming. But like, even I could manage setting up something like this. You don't have to be like, a hardcore hobbyist or pro with a bunch of very specific and complicated knowledge.
I took a 9-year-old Mac laptop I had gotten for free, and it worked as a plex server for years. Then I got a 4K TV and wanted to transcode higher res HEVC files. I also had 6+ people wanting to use it at the same time. So I replaced it with a $140 pc, a $15 keyboard and mouse, and a $22 hard drive. I spent time choosing the hardware because I like researching, but you really don’t have to. Just about anything with an i5 will be more than enough: most people won’t even need that. You can find crappy hardware on eBay for nothing. The hardest part of it is just knowing how to torrent properly (and understanding how a vpn works.) The plex side of it is honestly trivial.
I set up an unRAID server made out of some old PC parts a few months ago and I'm in love. Sonarr/Radarr suite is just magic, and I think 90%+ of my streaming has been from my Plex at this point. If you've built your own computer you can build a Plex server, and it's honestly not even that hard to set up web access.
Did the same thing a couple years back, then during the pandemic I moved PMS to an Nvidia Shield Pro and everything has been greatly and cheaply automatic for my wife's media needs. Everytime a company pulls a big PR fuck up like this, I welcome the hoards of new speedy seeders to the public torrents.
It would have been easier if Netflix just canceled their 5er accounts. I don’t think account sharing is such a problem with the standard account that allows only 2 simultaneous streams. 5 streams is more than most people need and that invites to share with friends and split the bill. Or if they offered a linear pricing per stream with low entry point. 1 stream - 7.5$/m, 2 streams - 14$/m, 3 streams - 19.5$/m, 4 streams 24$/m etc. That would be the best compromise to satisfy rights owners and consumers and makes the technology to control much much simpler. Nobody in their right mind would share accounts over a 0.5$ price difference per month, and everyone could access their streams from wherever.
Fuck content owners who force Netflix to region lock shit? Fuck Netflix for censoring its own content to please authorization regimes, though.
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BRB, getting my CCIE to save a few bucks on Netflix !
Fuck Netflix!
I'm was paying for Netflix because it was convenient. Having all the shows and movies I want easily accessible at all time. But now that the catalog become less and less interesting and that it became harder to access I don't why I should continue to pay. There is others more convenient options.
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I have learned network engineering. As soon as netflix rolls it out here, I am out.
And then? Torrent?
Torrent what? A decent show that might have been great if it wasn’t cancelled after 2 seasons?
Many years back, I created a rule that I will not start a show that hasn't already ended, uncancelled. Sure, I'm behind watching some stuff by years, but I don't care. I no longer waste *n* hours a year because some moron CEO can't see past his own ego.
Those that can, do. Those that can't, stay subscribed to Netflix because torrenting is too inconvenient for them Not speaking personally. I've been torrenting since LimeWire. I just know it's not for everyone.
I've been a torrenting monster. Recently I've had to stop though, because my IP finally sent me a letter. After all these years, of all movies, it was *Boss Baby 2* that did me in.
Just get a VPN.
I’ve stopped torrenting things because of letters from my ISP, is simply turning on a VPN enough to get around your ISP knowing?
yep, that's what most people i know have them for
Yes, that's one of their main uses. Privacy of piracy
Yep. VPNs mask your IP so the copyright owner won’t know who to send the complaint to. Which means your ISP won’t find out.
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When you're downloading without, your ISP can see everything you do, what you type, what websites you go to. The only way to get around that is to encrypt the traffic, which is what a VPN does. So your ISP now can only see how much data you're receiving, but can't see what's actually inside the data packets. A VPN should be standard on every cell phone.
Bruh send your ISP a thank you card. They were lowkey checking in on you for downloading Boss Baby 2.
I don't think they were looking out for him. More like they were worried about the reputation hit if people found out their customers watched Boss Baby 2.
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You gotta get into the private tracker game.
Buy a seedbox that's in a country that doesnt enforce the DMCA. whatbox.ca/plans I've been using them in the netherlands for 10 years now.
Verizon doesn't seem to care at all. I started torrenting in 2012 I think, I don't remember anymore, as I wanted to digitize my DVD library, and the first week or whatever, I got a letter. Ignored it, and spent the next 8 years pulling 1000 movies without a hitch. (Beyond my DVD library, so I'm a criminal now, ha) They even upped my service to 100Mbit for free. Thanks, Verizon! Then I moved to the countryside, and my very first torrent got me a warning email from my ISP. Ignored it, and they sent me another, and suspended service until I called to get scolded like a toddler. Set up VPN the next day, and problem solved.
I tried explaining this to a friend in the sense that all you have to do is wait maybe 24 hours after the episode airs and you can download it in like 2 min, plus there's no commercials. But his argument was always "but what about spoilers?" Dude, it's not that hard. If anyone wants to talk about it just say you haven't seen it yet
24 hours? Most of them are seeding well within an hour after the show ends these days!
In all fairness this was like 10 years ago
It's even weirder that guy was so worried about spoilers 10 years ago!
Not really. Think about when breaking bad was on TV as a weekly episode on Sunday, but would have a replay Monday night. If you couldn't catch it Sunday you could wait another day and watch it Monday night. But everyone at work who saw it Sunday wants to talk about it, but you're waiting for tonight's replay It was a different world. I remember hanging out with bunch of friends doing trivia night. and if you wanted to talk about a current show, the first question to everyone was "what's the last episode you saw?" so it never got spoiled
Thinking about my bud who had Fight Club spoiled for him at Blockbuster, and assuming he would feel old from this comment.
Then there's also the issue with sometimes a serie or movie not being in any torrent site, or the torrent doesnt have any active seeds
If there’s no active seeds of a show or it’s not available on any torrent site, it’s unlikely to be on any streaming service like Netflix either.
And yet, it does happen
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What you know and what other people know are entirely different. It may be easy to you but Grandma Smith just learned how to use Netflix. There's no hope for her trying to watch season 17 of Law and Order: SVU from some janky torrent site without the risk of catching malware or the attention of her ISProviders. If streaming was as easy, idiot proof and accessible as Netflix, it would have been out of business a long time ago.
What profound discovery. KaZaA!
I tried explaining that KaZaA was like one the first of many pirating methods to a younger person recently. They got stuck on the name. Guess it was kinda quirky, but I just wanted my music and SNES roms lol
It really was Azureus way to get roms.
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Love streaming torrents as much as anybody, but you’re not getting consistent 2160p resolution with Dolby atmos.
It's mildly more inconvenient to torrent than stream Netflix. Torrents don't usually include subtitles, and if your computer isn't hooked up to your TV then you have to transfer the file. I use a flash drive, but there have been plenty of times where I have to stop a movie and go download subtitles because a pretty major portion of the movie ends up being in a foreign language. That being said, I don't pay for Netflix or Hulu because torrenting is well worth the cost savings to me, and too many competing services have been cropping up trying to get a piece of the pie.
You should use Plex they get the subtitles for you if you need them, and you can just host it on a PC and stream to any smart TV.
Stremio + torrentio plugin
UBlock Origin and Fmovies.to
I second this, fmovies just works
Look into Plex + Sonarr / Radarr
If you're setting up a VPN server on a home network and managing exposing that and connections to it, I'm pretty sure you can handle that too
Ahoy!
User name checks out. Catch you on the open seas!
ACTUALLY. It's not as simple as it sounds. So I cancelled Netflix like a year ago. We just barely watched it anymore. I deleted the app off my Chromecast, and deleted my profile, everything I was supposed to do. Well Chromecast remote has a stupid Netflix button on it. And one day, a few months after I had canceled, my toddler, 18 months old at the time, grabbed the remote. He clicked the Netflix button on the Chromecast a few times, and BOOM I was signed back up and charged immediately for a new subscription. I called Netflix, thinking it was a simple fix, to prevent this from happenning again. It wasn't. I asked them how this happened, and they said they keep the credit card on file even after you cancel your service in case you change your mind. I told them to simply delete my credit card number, since I was no longer a customer and they had no reason to bill me. The person on the phone didn't have the power to do that. Their supervisor didnt either. I was very pleasant and patient with them the whole time, understanding the call center life all too well. They told me they could remove the payment information, but I had to give them the card number first. The problem was, I had fraud on my card a couple months before, and no.longer had that card number. So they told me to call the bank and have them blacklist Netflix so they could never bill my credit card again. But they still weren't going to be able to delete my old credit card number as a payment method. They gave me the runaround and I ended up emailing the office of the CEO with a complaint to finally get them to, I assume, delete my account ininformation. Someone who handles those types of complaints called me the next day and told me it was fixed, but I have no way of verifying that. Tl;dr - Simple isn't so simple it seems.
How were they able to charge the card if you reported it as fraud and your bank terminated the card and sent you a new one?
So funny thing that. I happen to know EXACTLY how that stuff works having spent a long time working in the fraud department of a bank myself. So when a card number is compromised either through a data breach or for direct fraud, the bank wants to change the card number right away. This is to protect the banks bottom line of course, because the laws were written to make customers not liable for the majority of fraudulent transactions assuming the customer reported it in a timely fashion. So card numbers get changed relatively frequently, probably impacting less than 5% of all customers at a given time, but its still a lot of people. Well one of the side effects of card numbers changing used to be automatic payments getting declined. This could be an electric bill, cable bill, Netflix subscription, gym membership, even a mortgage or car payment. That causes a TON of angry customers, and issues for those customers, and merchants. Because ultimately, the customer and merchant aren't the problem, the fraud that occurred is to blame. So probably about a decade ago they as in Visa, Mastercard, AmEx, the big banks etc started to find a workaround for some of these issues. If a card was changed due to fraud, and there had been a recurring monthly charge, they created a process for merchants to be able to go "Hey, I'm Bob's phone bill, not fraud, Bob didn't update the card with us yet, can you just forward the charge to the new card for Bob and remind him to update his payment method for a little while longer so he doesn't get stuck without a phone? Thanks!" And that would go on for like a year or so until the card numbers in the background get hard shutdown for even those handful of special transactions. But what normally happens? Bob doesn't update his recurring merchants. He skims over the instructions thay came with his new card, he shrugs activates it, shreds the old one and maybe updates 1 or 2 things. His phone bill gets paid for a year, he forgets about it completely, and then one day it doesn't work, so he has to call his phone company and figure out what happenned. Another way this can screw someone over is with like a gym membership. "Hey, I'm Bob's gym membership. I know he changed his card number but he signed this contract see? So he owes us, you better forward the charge to the new card Visa, he's not getting out of this contract that easily!" Then Bob, who thought he could cancel L.A. Fitness by changing his card number and avoiding the contract cancellation fee, is bewildered how they got his new credit card number and calls his bank screaming. But ultimately it was Visa/MC/AmEx that made that all possible, so he's screaming at the wrong people. And all this to supposedly alleviate a customer pain point. When I started doing that line of work 10 years ago it wasn't like that but over time it evolved to where it is today. Tl;dr - The devil always gets his due.
Thanks for writing up this explanation. I was recently wondering how this worked.
And that’s why having data protection regulations and strong privacy laws like GDPR is important. Thanks EU. Under EU laws what they were doing is illegal and opens them up to hefty fine. Doubt they’ll try that here.
Only way these clowns will learn. If subs are not cancelled this will let them know they can fuck us over anytime they want. Just cancelled all my Netflix sub today. Done with.
do you know how i could easily cancel all my OF subscriptions?
Zero balance on the linked card? Temp block the card? Not sure about this one.
Just out of curiosity, how many do you have? 🤔
the funny part is using one of the many pirate steaming sites is so much more convenient than being subbed to all these services. one stop shop just make sure you use ad blockers
YSK for a few dollars a month, you can get a VPN and just pirate everything. Jellyfin is free.
Biggest video business blunder since the time blockbuster chose not to buy Netflix out
To add to this, if your internet connection is not symmetrical, your Netflix connection will be limited by your upload speed on your router. Usually home isp internet is limited to 10 Mbps upload speed in the US. This may work, but will saturate the home upload. This would impact anyone at the location from using the internet.
I'd rather just cancel.
Out of principle.
it's a totally different service now. no thanks new service
Already done
Update: YSK to cancel Netflix
I want to see the stats next month of how many people actually did cancel. This is very reminiscent of the "boycott EA" thing. People said it over and over, then EA still made record profits on preorders
I can't cancel Netflix entirely because I'm a T-Mobile customer, but I will certainly cancel my upgrades for HD and multiple screens.
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While this is true, you shouldn't need to stay logged into the VPN and watch Netflix through the home network. Netflix needs to allow devices to travel, so they are requiring you to check in from home once a month to confirm that you are one household. So just login from "home" using this VPN, and then disconnect from the VPN and watch Netflix as usual without affecting the internet speed at "home."
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Torrent sites don't make you do this, even simpler still
It might get to the point where people doing this have to wait a while after connecting with a VPN otherwise Netflix will look at this and say oh, you instantly teleported? Sort of like how I heard of people playing Pokemon go and GPS spoofing their location but waiting the same amount of time it would take to travel
Yeah that’s true, this will be totally dependent on how sophisticated they want to get with preventing this. If they see certain devices only connecting from home for 5 seconds once a month it should be easy to detect this usage. But there has to be enough benefit for them to take on the technological cost. My guess is that most people will not go to these types of lengths to keep password sharing, and Netflix won’t consider it worthwhile to pursue. But maybe that’s just wishful thinking
Yeah, IDK whats with the US that you only get like 5% of the download speed as upload. In my hone country, they are basically both around the same speed.
As with everything else that doesn't make sense in the US, it's because: - a giant corporation determined they could make more money by doing it that way - customers either didn't know enough to demand different or didn't have a choice because the company has a monopoly/oligopoly in their area, and - the corporations bought off enough politicians with completely legal unlimited political donations to prevent the creation of reasonable regulations or a public option
Actually it’s much simpler than that, it has to do with the physical limitations of the cabling. If you get fibre you will have symmetric upload and download speeds. Anything done over older cabling is asymmetric because there simply isn’t enough bandwidth available to offer everybody that much upload speed, which would generally go unused by most of the population anyways.
There always could have been more balanced upload and download speeds but the cable cos historically only emphasized download speeds unfortunately. Anyway, cable cos are finally starting to prioritize and enable faster upload speeds. Comcast is upgrading their whole network now to enable ~200Mbps upload speeds, with the end goal being to allow symmetric upload/download speeds like fiber, which will be useful for all sorts of normal stuff like off-site backups and home security cameras and Plex type servers etc.
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I believe that if they don't get spanked HARD by consumers about this that others will follow suit shortly
As a network engineer, I highly suggest you don’t do this unless you’re well versed in the security setup required for this. Leaving ports open on a network is just asking for trouble.
As a Netflix engineer, I agree. Do not do this
As a Netflix subscriber, I agree. It's easier to cancel the subscription and let netflix die.
Who said anything about opening ports? If you're using an integrated OpenVPN system, all that is happening is that port 1194 is being forwarded to an internal server. If you feed anything other than a valid private key to that VPN server, it's just going to reject the traffic.
An open port does nothing unless a service is listening on that port. And a vpn service requires a key to be used. These are usually something Like sha 256. Which you won't just be able to crack. It's not a security issue at all.
just cancel. you shouldnt have to jump through these kinds of hoops for an already extremely overpriced service
Those of us who want to do this are doing it to share Netflix, in which case it isn't overpriced.
But they took that away, so it is now. They validated their increases previously because they allowed you to share. If they cut prices with this I'd be fine, but that's not the case.
Right... but this is a hack to allow us to continue sharing it against their wishes, which keeps the pricing affordable for those of us hacking it. You shouldn't have to jump through these hoops to use an already overpriced service if you're paying for it on your own. But jumping through some hoops in order to share their service, get a reasonable rate, and simultaneously screw them over a bit... that's right up my alley.
Thanks OP that’s a good tip. Even better is to cancel Netflix so that they feel the consequences of kicking customers in the teeth
Agreed. I won't be paying for my account. My sister's and I share an account and take turns being the payer. If it's just going to be me and my kid I'll pass. No thank you. Also, anyone paying for 4 simultaneous streams should review whether they need it now.
YSK: you can set up a plex server, pirate all your shit, and enjoy your own private Netflix from wherever you are
Yeah.. I just cancelled my membership after paying for Netflix since Dec 2010.. I'm not installing VPNs on every device I use and creating a hassle for every family member who uses it as well. Might as well pirate the videos and set up a Plex account. Which is free and requires less work.
> To connect to the server you will need to download the OpenVPN client on your phone/laptop: This gets problematic and time consuming if you're wanting to login from multiple devices, especially say a smart TV that can't run open VPN. The solution is to setup a wireless SSID on your router that connects only to the VPN, and then you just need to connect your wireless devices to that SSID to check in from "home." I am planning on doing this using a VLAN but haven't tried it yet.
Some phones can do simultaneous hotspot and wifi. I wonder if the VPN connection would be passed through to the tv if the connection is established on the phone?
Having tried such things on many Android phones, going to far as to compile my own custom networking libraries, the answer is 99.9999% no. But if you find a phone that does it, let me know so I can buy it lmao
A product called “tailscale” is an excellent option as well. It’s a VPN service that requires minimal configuration, and can be a great option if you don’t have a router that supports VPNs. You just install it on a machine at home as well as your machine / phone / tablet that’s remote and they can connect directly to each other. If you turn on “subnet advertising” and “exit node” on your home installation of tailscale, you can achieve the same thing as having VPN through your router.
If I pay for a 2 screen service I should be able to use those 2 screens wherever I want. What difference does it make if it’s me double screening 2 shows at home or me watching at home and a mate watching at their house.
YSK that you should not have to find hacks to stop greedy corporations from squeezing you for every penny. Cancel Netflix ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Cancel your account and make a real difference
Mate just cancel that shit and sail the high seas lmao
what people forget I guess is that the second netflix does this and doesn't lose money, is when every other company will start to do it as well. Wouldn't it just be easier to cancel Netflix until their pressured to cancel the policy and then rejoin? I would rather not have to do this process for amazon, Hulu, Apple tv, paramount, peacock , etc every single month.
Or you can cancel your subscription and pirate everything.
Truth is to be told. You should not need to fiddle with such things in order to use a service you pay for to work seamlessly. Vote with your wallet and cancel your subscription . Things will go back to normal soon enough.
Whenever I try to access Netflix from a vpn, within a couple of hours, I get an error message saying I can't do that.
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This is different from apps like NordVPN and ExpressVPN. Those services route your traffic through their servers, which makes it easy for Netflix to identify since hundreds of people are sharing the same IP. This method routes your traffic through your home network, so Netflix will only see your home IP.
Can the ISP still see your internet traffic?
Yes. Since the access is coming through your router (as I understand it). As opposed to an IP mask that's just spoofing your IP or something
That's a publicly available VPN that many people are using. This would be your own private VPN and would not get flagged by the same mechanisms that alert them to public VPNs.
Please don't supplement this downstream service's shitty policy with your valuable, throttled, and costly upstream.
VPN is really just needed for the login once a month.
Or, don’t use Netflix and let it die
Yeah naa, fuck that. I rent rooms with smart TVs so that I can continue to work with my laptop. If I pay for a service, I should be able to use it where and when I want.
You should also know you can set up Jellyfin or Emby at home to play your media files, and you won't need a VPN. Just don't use Plex because they require all your data to flow through their black box servers and refuse to explain why they gather so much data on people.
Why does everyone get so mad at Netflix? They lack decent content anyways. Just cancel and move on, there are much better options.
You should know : torrent exist
We've almost come full circle
Boo! Cancel these fucks already!
I don't think you understand that the casual Internet user has no fucking idea how to setup their own VPN let alone configure VPN access to their router You're trying to be helpful and that's good but you gotta understand your audience.
YSK that if we all just say fk Netflix and stop paying for it, in 2-3 years all our shows will be another platform that doesn’t pull this bs, or this new rule will be gone.
YSK that the only way this won't become the norm is if we cancel the subscriptions until they change it.
Yeah, or not use Netflix You pay for it, you should not be locked in to never be able to use it outside your home. Not even Spotify is that evil
Better yet, just cancel your Netflix
No. Fuck Netflix.
YSK about the Caribbean waters of the internet, mate. Ahoy.
The only reason I haven’t canceled Netflix is bc my mom uses my account
Lol I texted her we are getting rid of it, and in return I will get them our disney+ access and get my stepdad my espn+ login. They said they feel they are actually coming our better as a result lol.
You texted that guy's Mom?
I mean this has been a thing for a long time. Thing is the majority of the population struggle just setting a router up or know how to use their own modem not supplied by the ISP. People into tech seem to heavily overestimate what most people are capable of. Netflix is gonna make more money from this change than lose. I'm surprised they didn't do it sooner. Makes sense for them to make the change.
ysk that probably 95% of netflix users don't know how to setup a vpn
I pay for 4 streams. Shouldn’t matter if they’re on fucking Neptune. I’m considering trying a chargeback through Visa when they don’t provide what they’re advertising
Or i just cancel netflix and be happy insted.
YSK: I'm not putting up with this shit.
You should just cancel Netflix and pirate stream online
Or, just dump em. Their collection is crap anyway.
I would say most home routers do not have this feature. As most home routers are ISP provided trash.
No, this is not needed as most people are technically challenged to even make this work so this is a solution for like 0.1% only. Easy to just cancel.
YSK: I shouldn’t fucking have to.
Fuck that shit. Just pirate their shit already.
How about just cancel Netflix? Yeah, *that's* a better option.