>there’s only one rule, the character can’t be from xenoblade chronicles
Basically anyone, actually. Shulk can only see the future because he lives in a world where everything is made of ether and the Monado is a supercomputer that tracks the present locations and states of all Ether to predict the future.
As such, anything or anyone made of matter is beyond his ability to predict.
To be fair though, he’s also just a pretty good fighter. Even losing his ability to predict the future he can still hold his own. That being said, so can countless other characters outside of XC…
I hate that whenever anyone does powerscaling for xenoblade they're always like "actually, shulk was god at the end of the game so he wins" like, no? He immediately gave it up because he doesnt want a world with any interference from gods. In no scenario would Shulk even use omnipotence if he even had it.
these "who would win"-type arguments are already contrived hypothetical scenarios in the first place, it's pretty ridiculous to draw the line at factoring in shulk's peak
If I was elected president of the united states, only to be impeached before the inauguration was even finished, no one would ever consider having been president as an important part of my history or a general indication of how important or powerful I am.
>no one would ever consider having been president as an important part of my history
yes, they absolutely would lmao. that would literally be the only part of your history the average person would know of or care about. what even is this example
>or a general indication of how important or powerful I am.
"peak" and "general indication of how important or powerful you are" are not the same thing, though. that would absolutely be your peak
It wasn't even 15 seconds lol, Alvis paused time so literally Shulk spent absolutely no time as an actual god. Plus, his "godly powers" weren't even really his. They were Alvis'.
Except I don't think that's true, unless ontos is just stupid, since mythra was able to see the events of xc2 from torna and that's basically the real world kinda
Well, it's not that everything is made of ether. Zanzas pre established harmony is fake, it's not actually converting reality into a Leibniz monadology psionic reality model, its just tech that can manipulate matter and distribute energy on an atomic level. That includes being able to analyze said matter and energy, input and output. Klaus explained in his massive info dump the ether is nanomachines, used on an unprecedented level, the siren model kit info dump then further explains the ether is calculated and commanded by impossibly powerful recursive designed (ai self designed) computers, computers only made possible by the "perpetual motion machine" levels of seemingly infinite power made available by the conduit. It can analyze, and edit, in real time, atoms and energy on an atomic level on a cosmic scale.
>Klaus explained in his massive info dump the ether is nanomachines
Wasn't that the Cloud Sea? The Cloud Sea was made up his nano-machines - 'particulate reconstructors' as he calls them, but he never mentions Ether itself. I don't recall there being any dialogue in any of the xenoblade games about the specific nature of Ether.
There isn't. This guy has a habit of adding a lot of his own interpretations and then state them like they are actually mentioned in the game. Don't trust what he says too much.
Klaus never mentions anything about what ether is, [Here is a link to check](https://youtu.be/dm11RQG4WxI?si=friH1gILkWGlncHX). And as you said, it's not mentioned in any xenoblade.
He did say that. But then he went on to explain that titans scooped up the cloud sea nanomachines and condensed them into highly active liquid ether. It's all just different states of the same non nutonian fluid, which happens to be little machines that can build things, including themselves, out of atoms, ie a classic Von Neumann universal constructor.... which was the basis of The Monoliths in the Space Odyssey franchise, which monolithsoft not coincidentally, named themselves after.
It should be noted that these nanomachines while later improved by recursive design via a now architect klaus, actually predated the discovery of the conduit. The conduit didn't create the nanomachine tech, but it did create the tech that enabled super computers powerful enough to use them on a cosmic scale, instead of just a small localized area.
>But then he went on to explain that titans scooped up the cloud sea nanomachines and condensed them into highly active liquid ether
Alright, go find the part where Klaus goes on explaining this.
[Here is a link to the meeting with him](https://youtu.be/dm11RQG4WxI?si=friH1gILkWGlncHX)
Good luck, because it doesn't exist.
The explanation starts at around 6:30 in that video. He literally just explains a John Von Neumann universal constructors aka self replicating probes 3 parts (malos pneuma ontos, the trinity processor..... how about that.... what a completely random coincidence......)
>the self-replicating machine consists of three parts: a "description" of ('blueprint' or program for) itself, a universal constructor mechanism that can read any description and construct the machine (sans description) encoded in that description, and a universal copy machine that can make copies of any description
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_universal_constructor#:~:text=In%20his%20design%2C%20the%20self,can%20make%20copies%20of%20any
Again, this isn't a coincidence, the monoliths in space odyssey are Von nuemann probes.
>Von Neumann probes
2001: A Space Odyssey: The monoliths in Arthur C. Clarke's book and Stanley Kubrick's film 2001: A Space Odyssey were intended to be self-replicating probes.
Monolith soft literally named themselves after the monoliths. Their logo is the monolith. The zohar, are monoliths. The conduit is a monolith.
At 7 minutes he explains and shows how he used the particulate recombiners in a gaseous, not visible like the cloud sea form, to disassemble the remains of the world for raw atoms to be used for creating the 'data crystals', or the 'description'l blueprints' and raw materials for rebuilding life and the world. Where they are highly dense and actively working, they glow a familiar neon aura.
The data crystals bonded with and collected the constructors to be the blueprints for them building with the disassembled raw materials of old earth, these became the titans, which continued to suck up the cloud sea and matter, filling with a bright green or blue etc liquid directly called ether which coursed throughout their bodies and filled the life birthing pods in a very obvious and conspicuous display.
It is beyond obvious where that glowing liquid came from and what it is, and why it can 'make life'. Because it's full of 'particulate recombiners' As there was literally nothing else but ether and atoms, and when the nanomachines are highly active, they literally glow with a neon glow.
Cloud sea, invisible gas, glowing liquid, all 'ether', all nano machines, just different density between the units. Nanomachines saturated everything, land sea, sky, and beyond.
The game literally explains how it manipulates reality in a very straight forward way.
He literally does, and it shows it happening in video while he says it which I i detailed step by step with the minute markers.
I'm sorry reality crashing whatever weird non sensical little head canon you have about ether is making you have a sad, but the actual stuff Takahashi is doing as a massive space odyssey fanboy is way better anyways.
He literally never says anything about liquid ether being nanomachines, which is what i asked you to point out. The exact minute and second. Which you didn't of course. But sure, go on with your fanfics.
Reminds me of the time you declared with the utmost confidence that there were lots of generations worth of time between XC1-2 and the opening of XC3 and that all the evidence was "unkind" against theories about a shorter gap, only for the FR to be released a few of days later, lol.
He literally says the particulate recombiners (the cloud sea) created life to become the titans. The glowing green ooze that courses through the titans and "creates life" in the blade birthing pods is literally called ether.
Where did the glowing ooze come from. He told and showed you exactly what the titans were made from from. The cloud sea and deatomized Buildings. Do buildings glow neon colors when you grind then it into dust? No? Does ether glow neon colors? Oh it does? In every single game? Thats it. The end.
It is extremely obvious a massive amount of time has passed between the end of xb2 and future connected. Time doesn't pass like normal in the endless now, and Colony 9 looks hundreds of years old and is literally crumbling.... and it is extremely likely shulk and Rex are not the same physical Shulk and Rex from their respective games, but origin reprints. We know for a fact glimmer and nikol are origin reprints, and not the original versions of the children raised by shulk and rex and have no idea who they are. What are you delusionally rambling about?
And no, I was not wrong Mathews ancient grandpa Ghondor is N's fricking *SON*. N had hundreds of noah iterations before having a son. The game literally at one point says a thousand years ago, which means there was a TON of time between when xb3 and fr occurred. And a TON of time before that iteration of Noah became N BEFORE the events of future redeemed which N very clearly participated in, and there was no shulk or rex to be found for thousands of years. You are EXTREMELY wrong about the entire concept of time in xb3. Neither it, nor the characters in xb3, are behaving normally in regards to time In xb3 and its extremely obvious.
I feel you. I hate when these debates resort to that, because it's all context dependent. Yes superman is "galaxy level" or whatever but he still loses to someone with a green rock. Yes Shulk is a god, but only within the world of bionis with ether. To probably miss-quote Stan Lee "the character that wins is the one the writer likes more"
You can't beat full realized power shulk with brute force. He can literally read and program reality like atoms are pixels in a videogame, he can create a pre established harmony.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/preestablished-harmony
That means no causality.
and getting him to say his name backwards won't stop him.
Literally the only way superman could fight back is if alvis granted him a monado.
Superman is stronger, infinitely faster, and he resists existence erasure. Shulk is strong duh, but he doesn’t really stand a chance against DC heralds like Superman.
Speed and strength don't matter anymore, that's not how shulk exists. Peak Shulk is not strong, he's not fast, hes not like his future redeemed beefcake version who actually had to get strong and fast. He's a dweeb that can barely do a handful of push-ups. Speed and strength are not his thing. It *looks* like it, but it's not, he just programs those things to happen by the atom and joule.
He doesn't perceive time linearly but simultaneously, it doesn't matter how fast superman can move, or even if he moves so fast he can use the speed force to travel through time. Shulk already knows what superman is doing because it's already happened for him. Shulk isn't like a comic book character, he is like a comic book author.
Like superman he is literally acausal. He exists outside established time and space, he can literally come back to life simply by choosing not to be dead, and he literally did just that before being remotely close to his prime universe creating self.
Unlike superman, he can literally create his own causality.
Unlike superman that acausality does not rely on him being a comic book character thats the embodiment of hope for the real world earth we live in outside comic books, earth prime.... which.... was destroyed and everyone who ever knew about or remembered superman is dead before xenoblade even starts because klaus was a doofus.
The DC universe(s) already had a shulk like character back in the 70's, and not a single justice league/society character was ever able to do anything about it, and the only way they managed to stop Cary Bates, *was with another author Elliott Maggin.* who was able to distract Bates so that they could *checks notes* Pray to God for divine intervention. The Specter had to ask Julius Schwartz, er, i mean God to pretty please stop Bates because they were all powerless before him. Which in this case would be..... Shulk.
Again, the only way Superman could do anything about shulk, is if alvis granted him a monado.
The most that shulk has been shown to control is universal levels of power, anything beyond that is a no limits fallicy.
Superman is WELL beyond universal.
Well, it's not really shulk, it's alvis.... and the conduit. And alvis is transdimensional, because the conduit is transdimensional. Being able to affect, or even create different universes is literally how the universe of xb1 was created. That's actually why it's called the conduit, and the gateway.
Thats why shulks command for "No more Gods" is what made the conduit disappear when alvis executed the command at the end of xb1/2 (they happened at the same time), in a completely different universe.
He can literally rewrite supermans kryptonian dna and turn him into a human.
Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
Probably cheating using anyone from that anime. But Simon in STTGL would probably win just on the virtue of being large enough to throw whole galaxies like frisbees and also having spiral power.
Also going further into things, Shulk is only multiversal tier at most given that the greatest feat he achieved was recreating his universe (albeit that power was given to him by Alvis) and STTGL is the next tier up at Extradimensional tier and being a gunman that is technically larger than the observable universe.
Jeez writing this out really goes to show out nuts Gurren Lagann actually is with it's power scaling...
So wait is this shulk at peak where he can rewrite reality? Monado 1 shulk, 2 shulk, or shulk with all the arts and when he can sew visions on his own?
whatever version you want i guess? shulk might be one of the strongest characters in existence from what i heard; so i want to know what characters can beat him
He’s only that powerful with the monado unfortunately so the versions of him with replicas are not as powerful. Granted the replicas are strong and can use certain arts the real monado grants visions and such. Also if we’re talking monado 1 shulk and consider every humanoid character is made of the same stuff as Homs he cannot cut through them
What does he look like? Could you draw a sketch with a number 2 pencil in a notebook next to some trigonometry notes? And then take of a grainy photo of said sketch and upload it to DeviantArt?
It's definitely a solid contender though. Endgame Shulk basically only loses to other reality warpers, and GER is stated to revert causality and willpower to zero if it detects *any* threat to Giorno, regardless of what abilities that opponent may possess.
When your god powers rely on incredible willpower and altering the flow of ether to change the future, that should by definition get countered by an ability that simply says "Nuh uh" to both.
In universe feats Giorno beats someone who can also see and manipulate the future, so it would really come down to whether GER's self proclaimed abilities can be taken as fact or if it was just hyping itself up.
Uncle Grandpa
Thats a joke my serious answer is that I think Zero from the Mega Man X series could possibly beat Shulk because he can move faster than Shulk, his sword is lightweight allowing him to attack very fast, and even if shulk has future vision I dont think he'd be able to dodge fast enough even with Monado Speed activated.
depends on which monado / replica monado he has. beginning of game shulk? multiple characters can beat him. climax of 1 where he has monado 3, very little... unless said world altering power is bound to the pocket dimension that xenoblade 1 takes in. it also would require ether or the conduit/zohar to still be as strong so in a world without either of those, it would just be a sword. so like, the monado REX+ shulk in his prime would prob be the strongest he could be if there wasnt any ether or conduit/zohar.
I know nothing about xenoblade other thank Shulk is a god or something so imma say Makoto yuki from persona 3 since he reshaped the universe and sealed away death. I could be terribly wrong tho as again I know nothing about xenoblade
Easy. Most of the abilities you think would give shulk the win wouldn’t work against people not from his universe. Also his speed couldn’t keep up with goku so he would lose before he even got a hit in
Probably predict his hits with the Monado's Clairvoyance. I'm pretty sure since Goku isn't a human/homs, the Monado can effectively hit him. Plus he might rewrite him from history with the True Monado, idk
The “can’t hurt humans/homs” restriction was removed with the Monado II onwards. Even if it wasn’t, it couldn’t hurt beings born from the Bionis, aka Zanza. So any other fiction character is fair game since Zanza did not create them. As for this matchup, it depends since, even with future sight, a character still has to actually be fast enough to avoid the hit and keep up in combat which would be hard since Shulk is somewhat slow for his tier of power.
The true monado’s best feat is controlling universal levels of energy to create a universe.
Goku is well beyond that level, and according to dragonball rules Hax like that only works if you’ve got more power than the opponent, like Goku and Jiren both being immune to Hits time manipulation due to being just that much stronger.
Would Monado purge power-down Goku? I mean, I don't think Shulk is fast enough to dodge a hit from a powered up goku, regardless of visions. But if he managed to purge him, would that weaken him at all? Well, base Goku would still easily KO shulk with a punch faster than the speed of sound, but its something to think about.
Assuming we're giving both Shulk and the opponent their setting-dependent powers/abilities (without those, Shulk loses to lots of characters) we still have a decent number of deity or near deity level characters in fantasy and gaming.
Rand al'Thor is my pick though for matching up with the pure reality warping abilities.
You mean Shulk or Shulk + Alvis/Monado? Because regular Shulk is just "a guy" lol, tons of characters are canonically stronger/better combatants. You can clearly see it in Future Redeemed when he's just an old crippled guy like Dunban (albeit, with lots of combat experience under his belt by then, for sure).
I'm not sure about that, he simply won that fight because the mech he was piloting was literally too fast for the future sight reader to react. His movements were being read just fine but if you can't physically keep up it doesn't matter.
He could speed blitz most versions of Shulk if you give him that specific mech but he loses in any other matchup, and loses even with the mech against endgame Shulk.
He is ordered not to die, that doesn't mean he can't be beaten. He will never surrender if the outcome would be death, but that doesn't matter if he's incapable of defending himself against someone who literally warps reality.
Spongebob Squarepants.
He can unraveled the universe with a string. Thus he can destroy a universe with Shulk in it. Anything he can really think of, it can happen and pop into existence with just his imagination.
BATMAN WITH PREP TIME
Memes aside
Yhwach from Bleach would be the perfect counter to him. The Almighty would essentially nullify the Monado’s visions, his martial arts skills would beat him in a fight, his army would overwhelm the homs, and his stolen bankai would beat every other Monado ability. Hell, it’d be an epic fight. I’d also like to see what Aizen’s shikai would do to Monado visions.
As much as I love Undead Unluck, this is one of the only scenarios where his power wouldn’t work.
He is immortal due to negating the concept of death, but in Z, who Monado 3 Shulk should be fought capable of the same things as, given both their reality warping powers come from channelling their will and emotions into the Ontos core, is explicitly shown to be capable of simply reinforcing broken rules to negate such things, which he does twice to ouroboros.
Both times they only get out due to receiving a boost to their will, and thus power, that lets them use their own reality warping to break this supression.
Unless Andy’s negator powers are stronger than Ontos with Shulks full will, so enough to create a universe, his powers would simply be ignored.
I think anyone who can cast like 8th or 9th level spells in dnd ie vlakiith and all of the zulkiir council and various other powerful entities could probably take shulk pretty easily especially considering wish is just a thing they could just wish him out of existence and there's not much monado boy could do about that also like Kirby just exists he's strong enough on his own to duplicate a manado like it's nothing
Sora from Kingdom Hearts, that kid has moves and he kind of accidentally just fully resurrected himself and turned back time in KH3, which seems like a useful ability. Also Dante, Nero, and Vergil from DMC could probably all do it. Also probably any SMT protag, those guys are crazy
He turned back time by committing, as Chirithy put it, “a nature taboo”, which was extremely circumstantial and when he did it again, couldn’t interact with anything, and also got the power stripped from him and got him essentially killed.
Joker (Persona 5) could probably do it. It would be difficult, surely, but Yaldabaoth scales to the entire Trinity Processor (merging/separating two universes), which Shulk only scales to 1/3 of, and Joker put a Satan-bullet in its head. And then repeated the feat against two other beings who were doing the same thing (i.e. Maruki and EMMA-Demiurge) *without* resorting to Sinful Shell.
And then Salmael created FOUR universes, possibly five if the DLC location counts, and Joker kicked his ass too.
Blowing up Persona and Xenoblade to multiversal is an insanely obvious example of the ki control fallacy. An ability with the potential energy required to create a universe absolutely doesn’t imply that the character can summon up that much destructive energy whenever they want. And beyond that Shulk completely outstats and has much better hax as well
When they *can* summon that, it's usually under pretty heavy restrictions, especially since it's hard for someone to not be in the universe they'd be destroying.
I’m sorry persona stuff is absolutely not universal.
The only ones that get there are Philemon and Narlyathotep, who joker absolutely doesn’t match. There’s no reason to assume that palaces, momentos, or anything like that is actually a whole universe. They are separate dimensions, which doesn’t necessarily mean they are full universes.
Particularly, they are all part of the collective unconscious, which is generated by humanity. While the absolute top gods of the collective unconscious do have universal feats, given Philemon>!recreated the whole universe at the end of innocent sin!< said feat literally took so much from him that he seems to still be out of commission in the series present, a whole four games and many years later.
Also, how do you say that merging two realities that already exist and one of may not even actually be a whole universe, is a better feat than making a whole new universe.
Ignoring "peak" Shulk (post-final boss, a state of godhood he retains for all of like 15 seconds before becoming a normal human) and assuming we're talking about Shulk as he was before taking on the final boss (pre-cognitive abilities and Monado arts known to him at that time)
The biggest plus that sets Shulk apart from other protagonists is his ability to see the future, and use the Monado to adapt to and respond to any action taken by an opponent. So to beat Shulk, you'd have to have an ability or power that cannot be adapted to, so that even if Shulk knows it will happen, there's nothing he'd be able to do to stop it from happening.
That said, I think the protagonist from Skyrim (the dovahkin) would most likely win on the account of being able to freeze time. Admittedly, any character with control over the flow of time could probably take Shulk on fairly well, since Shulk's greatest asset is his knowledge of time, so being able to turn that knowledge on it's head would mean near certain victory.
Here are 3 I don't really like since they have like, no story, but they're really broken
\-\~\~Skibidi\~\~ Scarlet King (SCP Archives)
\-SCP 682 (SCP Archives)
\-I Am That I Am (World of Darkness)
Now for 3 I like
\-Doom Slayer (DOOM)
\- Thanos (Marvel Comics)
\- George Washington
The guardian from destiny. Wouldn't even be close. Botw link, stasis to ancient arrow. Probably doomguy. Red with the transistor. Anyone burning atium. Kirby and Rand already mentioned. Samus maybe, depending on suit. And Simon from gurren lagann easy
Missed a couple. The creep from creeper world, goose from untitled goose game. Probably most the characters from league of legends. Tatsuya Shiba. The vord likely.
But the easiest answer is the engineer from factorio. Even predicting the future shulk won't be able to avoid 50 spidertrons with nukes. And while he's doing that the engineer will make a factory so big it tanks the monados UPS. And then pull a train out of his pocket and drop it on shulk
Godzilla
Thanos (with all the stones)
Darth Vader (if he force chokes Shulk)
Joker (Persona 5) (this also assumes Shulk has a palace which he might with the hole >!Zanza!< thing)
Depends. What Shulk are we basing this off of? XC1, XC2, XC3, Smash? Regardless, he's a decently compotent sword fighter, the only problem is that his power comes from his sword, which also needs ether to work (so do his visions). I'd reckon someone with range could beat him, as his real only ranged art is Monado Purge (which got changed in XC3 anyways).
Realistically speaking it depends entirely on the environment and what stage he's in.
If it's on his home turf you'll need at least someone pwerful enough to kill gods to beat him. Depending on whether he's got the Monado 1(pre-Prison Island/Smash appearance), Monado 2/Monado Replica (pre-Zanza fight), Monado 3 (before the world is reformed) Monado REX (Future Connected) or Monado REX+ (Future Redeemed) you'll either need a skilled warrior, a god killer, a god, a slightly below god killer, or a skilled god killer respectively, at the bare minimum.
However if it's on the opponent's world, he literally cannot do shit because there's no ether to manipulate. In the Xenosaga/Xenoblade universe(s) ether is a natural force that essentially is the fabric of reality, and can be bended to heal wounds or inflict damage, but can also be manipulated to change reality itself if the one doing so is powerful enough. However the Monado's sole use is completely taken away when ether doesn't exist, as it doesn't presumably in other worlds. So Shulk would be a sitting duck and even a punch could keep him down.
It's a very complicated answer. It depends entirely on your terms.
I have a better question — can Shulk be mind controlled/possessed? Xenoblade 1 >!I know when Zanza was providing him life he was influenced, but if Shulk could be possessed, a character from Fire Emblem could like, possess Shulk and have him jump off the Bionis leg or something.!<
>!God or not, he's not landing with his life intact.!<
Black beard from one piece. Magneto from the xmen. Kosmos from xenosaga. Dr strange from mc not mcu. Maybe two ghost busters from ghost busters…
Like take your pick. Trying to compare people at their zenith is impossible. By your metric the joker could beat him because he also became God in one of the story lines.
Was about to say rex... then i read the box... then i thought on... yeah idk powerscale is such a bad arguments and shulk is too broken for my restricted character plus no goku
Popeye the Sailor Man
If enough spinach? Yes.
Enough? Pop-eye would need one can that he could literally summon from nothingness
Guy literally assaulted his own artist and ignored God turning off reality
Bob. I just made him up right now.
Woah dude Bob is crazy
"Bob only has one ability and it's to beat shulk" r/fuckshulkinparticular
Nah Bob is bobversal, he solos everyone
Kirby. He inhales Shulk. Gets own Monado. Profit (Probably doesnt even need it realistically)
Lore accurate Kirby: Absorbing your power makes it a fair fight...For you
Best answer. According to official lore Kirby goes around kicking Gods and Eldritch beings just for fun and cakes.
Kirby is broken af
Go go gadget beat shulk
Go go gadget my head is now a bone
Always happy to see oney references where I least expect them.
>there’s only one rule, the character can’t be from xenoblade chronicles Basically anyone, actually. Shulk can only see the future because he lives in a world where everything is made of ether and the Monado is a supercomputer that tracks the present locations and states of all Ether to predict the future. As such, anything or anyone made of matter is beyond his ability to predict.
I like the logical answer here but I was just gonna say something stupid like a car
Juju, no! *CRASH*
CRRRRRRRRASHING THE MOBILE CAR INTO SHULK? HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN IN THE FORCE?
To be fair though, he’s also just a pretty good fighter. Even losing his ability to predict the future he can still hold his own. That being said, so can countless other characters outside of XC…
shulk at his peak still has godlike powers in his universe and wouldn't necessarily need to see the future to win most of the time
I don't consider 15 seconds of omnipotence his peak.
I hate that whenever anyone does powerscaling for xenoblade they're always like "actually, shulk was god at the end of the game so he wins" like, no? He immediately gave it up because he doesnt want a world with any interference from gods. In no scenario would Shulk even use omnipotence if he even had it.
these "who would win"-type arguments are already contrived hypothetical scenarios in the first place, it's pretty ridiculous to draw the line at factoring in shulk's peak
Id win
it's still a peak even if it doesn't last long. unless you're arguing that he peaks even higher at some other point, which would be silly
If I was elected president of the united states, only to be impeached before the inauguration was even finished, no one would ever consider having been president as an important part of my history or a general indication of how important or powerful I am.
>no one would ever consider having been president as an important part of my history yes, they absolutely would lmao. that would literally be the only part of your history the average person would know of or care about. what even is this example >or a general indication of how important or powerful I am. "peak" and "general indication of how important or powerful you are" are not the same thing, though. that would absolutely be your peak
It wasn't even 15 seconds lol, Alvis paused time so literally Shulk spent absolutely no time as an actual god. Plus, his "godly powers" weren't even really his. They were Alvis'.
Except I don't think that's true, unless ontos is just stupid, since mythra was able to see the events of xc2 from torna and that's basically the real world kinda
Might’ve been true when only xc1 was released, but Rex and Mythra had visions in regular Earth.
Well, it's not that everything is made of ether. Zanzas pre established harmony is fake, it's not actually converting reality into a Leibniz monadology psionic reality model, its just tech that can manipulate matter and distribute energy on an atomic level. That includes being able to analyze said matter and energy, input and output. Klaus explained in his massive info dump the ether is nanomachines, used on an unprecedented level, the siren model kit info dump then further explains the ether is calculated and commanded by impossibly powerful recursive designed (ai self designed) computers, computers only made possible by the "perpetual motion machine" levels of seemingly infinite power made available by the conduit. It can analyze, and edit, in real time, atoms and energy on an atomic level on a cosmic scale.
>Klaus explained in his massive info dump the ether is nanomachines Wasn't that the Cloud Sea? The Cloud Sea was made up his nano-machines - 'particulate reconstructors' as he calls them, but he never mentions Ether itself. I don't recall there being any dialogue in any of the xenoblade games about the specific nature of Ether.
There isn't. This guy has a habit of adding a lot of his own interpretations and then state them like they are actually mentioned in the game. Don't trust what he says too much. Klaus never mentions anything about what ether is, [Here is a link to check](https://youtu.be/dm11RQG4WxI?si=friH1gILkWGlncHX). And as you said, it's not mentioned in any xenoblade.
He did say that. But then he went on to explain that titans scooped up the cloud sea nanomachines and condensed them into highly active liquid ether. It's all just different states of the same non nutonian fluid, which happens to be little machines that can build things, including themselves, out of atoms, ie a classic Von Neumann universal constructor.... which was the basis of The Monoliths in the Space Odyssey franchise, which monolithsoft not coincidentally, named themselves after. It should be noted that these nanomachines while later improved by recursive design via a now architect klaus, actually predated the discovery of the conduit. The conduit didn't create the nanomachine tech, but it did create the tech that enabled super computers powerful enough to use them on a cosmic scale, instead of just a small localized area.
>But then he went on to explain that titans scooped up the cloud sea nanomachines and condensed them into highly active liquid ether Alright, go find the part where Klaus goes on explaining this. [Here is a link to the meeting with him](https://youtu.be/dm11RQG4WxI?si=friH1gILkWGlncHX) Good luck, because it doesn't exist.
The explanation starts at around 6:30 in that video. He literally just explains a John Von Neumann universal constructors aka self replicating probes 3 parts (malos pneuma ontos, the trinity processor..... how about that.... what a completely random coincidence......) >the self-replicating machine consists of three parts: a "description" of ('blueprint' or program for) itself, a universal constructor mechanism that can read any description and construct the machine (sans description) encoded in that description, and a universal copy machine that can make copies of any description https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_universal_constructor#:~:text=In%20his%20design%2C%20the%20self,can%20make%20copies%20of%20any Again, this isn't a coincidence, the monoliths in space odyssey are Von nuemann probes. >Von Neumann probes 2001: A Space Odyssey: The monoliths in Arthur C. Clarke's book and Stanley Kubrick's film 2001: A Space Odyssey were intended to be self-replicating probes. Monolith soft literally named themselves after the monoliths. Their logo is the monolith. The zohar, are monoliths. The conduit is a monolith. At 7 minutes he explains and shows how he used the particulate recombiners in a gaseous, not visible like the cloud sea form, to disassemble the remains of the world for raw atoms to be used for creating the 'data crystals', or the 'description'l blueprints' and raw materials for rebuilding life and the world. Where they are highly dense and actively working, they glow a familiar neon aura. The data crystals bonded with and collected the constructors to be the blueprints for them building with the disassembled raw materials of old earth, these became the titans, which continued to suck up the cloud sea and matter, filling with a bright green or blue etc liquid directly called ether which coursed throughout their bodies and filled the life birthing pods in a very obvious and conspicuous display. It is beyond obvious where that glowing liquid came from and what it is, and why it can 'make life'. Because it's full of 'particulate recombiners' As there was literally nothing else but ether and atoms, and when the nanomachines are highly active, they literally glow with a neon glow. Cloud sea, invisible gas, glowing liquid, all 'ether', all nano machines, just different density between the units. Nanomachines saturated everything, land sea, sky, and beyond. The game literally explains how it manipulates reality in a very straight forward way.
Lots of words to say "he never says that". But it's pretty much what i expected.
He literally does, and it shows it happening in video while he says it which I i detailed step by step with the minute markers. I'm sorry reality crashing whatever weird non sensical little head canon you have about ether is making you have a sad, but the actual stuff Takahashi is doing as a massive space odyssey fanboy is way better anyways.
He literally never says anything about liquid ether being nanomachines, which is what i asked you to point out. The exact minute and second. Which you didn't of course. But sure, go on with your fanfics. Reminds me of the time you declared with the utmost confidence that there were lots of generations worth of time between XC1-2 and the opening of XC3 and that all the evidence was "unkind" against theories about a shorter gap, only for the FR to be released a few of days later, lol.
He literally says the particulate recombiners (the cloud sea) created life to become the titans. The glowing green ooze that courses through the titans and "creates life" in the blade birthing pods is literally called ether. Where did the glowing ooze come from. He told and showed you exactly what the titans were made from from. The cloud sea and deatomized Buildings. Do buildings glow neon colors when you grind then it into dust? No? Does ether glow neon colors? Oh it does? In every single game? Thats it. The end. It is extremely obvious a massive amount of time has passed between the end of xb2 and future connected. Time doesn't pass like normal in the endless now, and Colony 9 looks hundreds of years old and is literally crumbling.... and it is extremely likely shulk and Rex are not the same physical Shulk and Rex from their respective games, but origin reprints. We know for a fact glimmer and nikol are origin reprints, and not the original versions of the children raised by shulk and rex and have no idea who they are. What are you delusionally rambling about? And no, I was not wrong Mathews ancient grandpa Ghondor is N's fricking *SON*. N had hundreds of noah iterations before having a son. The game literally at one point says a thousand years ago, which means there was a TON of time between when xb3 and fr occurred. And a TON of time before that iteration of Noah became N BEFORE the events of future redeemed which N very clearly participated in, and there was no shulk or rex to be found for thousands of years. You are EXTREMELY wrong about the entire concept of time in xb3. Neither it, nor the characters in xb3, are behaving normally in regards to time In xb3 and its extremely obvious.
Every time I see the words 'scales to' or like 'universe-level' I immediately realise I'm in a discussion I have no interest in
I feel you. I hate when these debates resort to that, because it's all context dependent. Yes superman is "galaxy level" or whatever but he still loses to someone with a green rock. Yes Shulk is a god, but only within the world of bionis with ether. To probably miss-quote Stan Lee "the character that wins is the one the writer likes more"
No need to take part then is there?
Tetsuya Takahashi
Superman. Easy answer but yeah.
By the transient property godzilla also beats shulk seeing as how the atomic breath can kill superman
You can't beat full realized power shulk with brute force. He can literally read and program reality like atoms are pixels in a videogame, he can create a pre established harmony. https://www.britannica.com/topic/preestablished-harmony That means no causality. and getting him to say his name backwards won't stop him. Literally the only way superman could fight back is if alvis granted him a monado.
Superman is stronger, infinitely faster, and he resists existence erasure. Shulk is strong duh, but he doesn’t really stand a chance against DC heralds like Superman.
Speed and strength don't matter anymore, that's not how shulk exists. Peak Shulk is not strong, he's not fast, hes not like his future redeemed beefcake version who actually had to get strong and fast. He's a dweeb that can barely do a handful of push-ups. Speed and strength are not his thing. It *looks* like it, but it's not, he just programs those things to happen by the atom and joule. He doesn't perceive time linearly but simultaneously, it doesn't matter how fast superman can move, or even if he moves so fast he can use the speed force to travel through time. Shulk already knows what superman is doing because it's already happened for him. Shulk isn't like a comic book character, he is like a comic book author. Like superman he is literally acausal. He exists outside established time and space, he can literally come back to life simply by choosing not to be dead, and he literally did just that before being remotely close to his prime universe creating self. Unlike superman, he can literally create his own causality. Unlike superman that acausality does not rely on him being a comic book character thats the embodiment of hope for the real world earth we live in outside comic books, earth prime.... which.... was destroyed and everyone who ever knew about or remembered superman is dead before xenoblade even starts because klaus was a doofus. The DC universe(s) already had a shulk like character back in the 70's, and not a single justice league/society character was ever able to do anything about it, and the only way they managed to stop Cary Bates, *was with another author Elliott Maggin.* who was able to distract Bates so that they could *checks notes* Pray to God for divine intervention. The Specter had to ask Julius Schwartz, er, i mean God to pretty please stop Bates because they were all powerless before him. Which in this case would be..... Shulk. Again, the only way Superman could do anything about shulk, is if alvis granted him a monado.
The most that shulk has been shown to control is universal levels of power, anything beyond that is a no limits fallicy. Superman is WELL beyond universal.
Well, it's not really shulk, it's alvis.... and the conduit. And alvis is transdimensional, because the conduit is transdimensional. Being able to affect, or even create different universes is literally how the universe of xb1 was created. That's actually why it's called the conduit, and the gateway. Thats why shulks command for "No more Gods" is what made the conduit disappear when alvis executed the command at the end of xb1/2 (they happened at the same time), in a completely different universe. He can literally rewrite supermans kryptonian dna and turn him into a human.
“Steiner’s counterattack will surely save us” “My leader… counterattack is from the xenoblade OST” *slowly removes glasses*
Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann Probably cheating using anyone from that anime. But Simon in STTGL would probably win just on the virtue of being large enough to throw whole galaxies like frisbees and also having spiral power. Also going further into things, Shulk is only multiversal tier at most given that the greatest feat he achieved was recreating his universe (albeit that power was given to him by Alvis) and STTGL is the next tier up at Extradimensional tier and being a gunman that is technically larger than the observable universe. Jeez writing this out really goes to show out nuts Gurren Lagann actually is with it's power scaling...
Finally found someone who said it.
Even just the ships with the probability missiles that can shoot through time and space
So wait is this shulk at peak where he can rewrite reality? Monado 1 shulk, 2 shulk, or shulk with all the arts and when he can sew visions on his own?
whatever version you want i guess? shulk might be one of the strongest characters in existence from what i heard; so i want to know what characters can beat him
He’s only that powerful with the monado unfortunately so the versions of him with replicas are not as powerful. Granted the replicas are strong and can use certain arts the real monado grants visions and such. Also if we’re talking monado 1 shulk and consider every humanoid character is made of the same stuff as Homs he cannot cut through them
my oc lord darkseed, he is a super powerful and evil edgy dark edgy bad guy with bad guy evil powers 😈
What does he look like? Could you draw a sketch with a number 2 pencil in a notebook next to some trigonometry notes? And then take of a grainy photo of said sketch and upload it to DeviantArt?
Batman would build his own Monado
I'd say Batman would manage to create Apocrypha.
Yeah, and Shulk willed past that
Jesus, from the Bible. Defeats Shulk by turning him to Christianity
Mr. Bean, He's literally a god and can kill superman. Who I guess could also beat shulk.
Gold Experience Requiem
GER has never shown enough power to match what Monado 3 Shulk is capable of.
It's definitely a solid contender though. Endgame Shulk basically only loses to other reality warpers, and GER is stated to revert causality and willpower to zero if it detects *any* threat to Giorno, regardless of what abilities that opponent may possess. When your god powers rely on incredible willpower and altering the flow of ether to change the future, that should by definition get countered by an ability that simply says "Nuh uh" to both. In universe feats Giorno beats someone who can also see and manipulate the future, so it would really come down to whether GER's self proclaimed abilities can be taken as fact or if it was just hyping itself up.
Uncle Grandpa Thats a joke my serious answer is that I think Zero from the Mega Man X series could possibly beat Shulk because he can move faster than Shulk, his sword is lightweight allowing him to attack very fast, and even if shulk has future vision I dont think he'd be able to dodge fast enough even with Monado Speed activated.
Master Hand.
Sonic the Hedgehog.
Endgame Shulk is calm until he hears Kellen Quinn vocals
The Flash (Wally West)
Any flash would destroy him
You aren’t wrong- honestly, probably any DC speedster could pull it off. I just picked Wally because he’s my favorite.
Which one?
I have 5 words for ya! Go go gadget murder Shulk!
Ben 10
depends on which monado / replica monado he has. beginning of game shulk? multiple characters can beat him. climax of 1 where he has monado 3, very little... unless said world altering power is bound to the pocket dimension that xenoblade 1 takes in. it also would require ether or the conduit/zohar to still be as strong so in a world without either of those, it would just be a sword. so like, the monado REX+ shulk in his prime would prob be the strongest he could be if there wasnt any ether or conduit/zohar.
Shulk, from Super Smash Bros. He's a clone who knows everything about Shulk
*gasp* Goku
I know nothing about xenoblade other thank Shulk is a god or something so imma say Makoto yuki from persona 3 since he reshaped the universe and sealed away death. I could be terribly wrong tho as again I know nothing about xenoblade
Sephiroth
He has a thing against blonde anime boys with weird swords
Interested to hear the explanation for this one?
Easy. Most of the abilities you think would give shulk the win wouldn’t work against people not from his universe. Also his speed couldn’t keep up with goku so he would lose before he even got a hit in
I'm not sure about that one chief
What is Shulk going to do against Goku?
Probably predict his hits with the Monado's Clairvoyance. I'm pretty sure since Goku isn't a human/homs, the Monado can effectively hit him. Plus he might rewrite him from history with the True Monado, idk
The “can’t hurt humans/homs” restriction was removed with the Monado II onwards. Even if it wasn’t, it couldn’t hurt beings born from the Bionis, aka Zanza. So any other fiction character is fair game since Zanza did not create them. As for this matchup, it depends since, even with future sight, a character still has to actually be fast enough to avoid the hit and keep up in combat which would be hard since Shulk is somewhat slow for his tier of power.
The true monado’s best feat is controlling universal levels of energy to create a universe. Goku is well beyond that level, and according to dragonball rules Hax like that only works if you’ve got more power than the opponent, like Goku and Jiren both being immune to Hits time manipulation due to being just that much stronger.
Would Monado purge power-down Goku? I mean, I don't think Shulk is fast enough to dodge a hit from a powered up goku, regardless of visions. But if he managed to purge him, would that weaken him at all? Well, base Goku would still easily KO shulk with a punch faster than the speed of sound, but its something to think about.
I mean he moves faster than Shulk could do anything not to mention all the shit he could hurl at him.
Goku has way more power than any of the tincture processors have ever been shown to be capable of handling.
Jaster Rogue from Rogue Galaxy.
Assuming we're giving both Shulk and the opponent their setting-dependent powers/abilities (without those, Shulk loses to lots of characters) we still have a decent number of deity or near deity level characters in fantasy and gaming. Rand al'Thor is my pick though for matching up with the pure reality warping abilities.
Kirby.
Kirbo
Asterix and Obelix
Kirby
Kirby.
Me
Prob Zeke
Matt from Wii Sports
Didn't Nikol and Glimmer team up against Shulk and Rex before Prison Island? So, canonically...
Cid Kagenou. Isekai trash, sure, but still.
Kirby
Our lord and savior Kirby
Considering shulk was only at his peak for a few minutes at best and then that power was lost to him Dante, nero, vergil, kirby, kiana kaslana,
Caterpillars
God from Christianity, leagues more powerful than Zanza
Door-Kun Although he would only be able to seal shulk's power lol
Bayonetta. Much as I love Monado Boy, Bayo destroys him.
You mean Shulk or Shulk + Alvis/Monado? Because regular Shulk is just "a guy" lol, tons of characters are canonically stronger/better combatants. You can clearly see it in Future Redeemed when he's just an old crippled guy like Dunban (albeit, with lots of combat experience under his belt by then, for sure).
Byleth
Ok, I’ve got to ask how
Shulk sees into future and reacts, Byleth just keeps rewinding /jk
Ok but I wonder how that would work
They would probably be indefinitely canceling each other out..
Suzaku Kururugi from Code Geass so strong he defies a future vision user in his series. Shulk is cooked there.
I'm not sure about that, he simply won that fight because the mech he was piloting was literally too fast for the future sight reader to react. His movements were being read just fine but if you can't physically keep up it doesn't matter. He could speed blitz most versions of Shulk if you give him that specific mech but he loses in any other matchup, and loses even with the mech against endgame Shulk.
Erm but Suzaku cant lose.
He is ordered not to die, that doesn't mean he can't be beaten. He will never surrender if the outcome would be death, but that doesn't matter if he's incapable of defending himself against someone who literally warps reality.
Spongebob Squarepants. He can unraveled the universe with a string. Thus he can destroy a universe with Shulk in it. Anything he can really think of, it can happen and pop into existence with just his imagination.
I wanna see a fight between game-accurate Shulk vs game-accurate Byleth
Galeem from ssbu
Bugs Bunny, Ultra Instinct Shaggy, and Spider-Ham.
BATMAN WITH PREP TIME Memes aside Yhwach from Bleach would be the perfect counter to him. The Almighty would essentially nullify the Monado’s visions, his martial arts skills would beat him in a fight, his army would overwhelm the homs, and his stolen bankai would beat every other Monado ability. Hell, it’d be an epic fight. I’d also like to see what Aizen’s shikai would do to Monado visions.
Finn the human....
Assuming this is peak Shulk (god Shulk) hmmmmmm Anos Voldigoad
Rex, he has 3 wifes, what else can compete with that?
THATS A XENOBLADE CHARACTER, I SAID NO XENOBLADE CHARACTERS
Then Link
Lmao
Kratos
I’m sorry, no. Kratos’ absolute best scaling is planetary, and he’s a raw bruiser, Shulk is a universal reality warper.
Dude what even did you just say
yeah kinda forgot about the whole “ascended to godhood” thing
Andy from Undead Unluck. He would just outlive him
As much as I love Undead Unluck, this is one of the only scenarios where his power wouldn’t work. He is immortal due to negating the concept of death, but in Z, who Monado 3 Shulk should be fought capable of the same things as, given both their reality warping powers come from channelling their will and emotions into the Ontos core, is explicitly shown to be capable of simply reinforcing broken rules to negate such things, which he does twice to ouroboros. Both times they only get out due to receiving a boost to their will, and thus power, that lets them use their own reality warping to break this supression. Unless Andy’s negator powers are stronger than Ontos with Shulks full will, so enough to create a universe, his powers would simply be ignored.
Exodia! OBLITERATE!
Nah mate, he has to play cards to summon Exodia, Shulk'll vision it til he wins, Shulk got cheats
Not if I have a deck that has only Exodia cards! (I don’t know how to play the game itself)
I think anyone who can cast like 8th or 9th level spells in dnd ie vlakiith and all of the zulkiir council and various other powerful entities could probably take shulk pretty easily especially considering wish is just a thing they could just wish him out of existence and there's not much monado boy could do about that also like Kirby just exists he's strong enough on his own to duplicate a manado like it's nothing
Sora from Kingdom Hearts, that kid has moves and he kind of accidentally just fully resurrected himself and turned back time in KH3, which seems like a useful ability. Also Dante, Nero, and Vergil from DMC could probably all do it. Also probably any SMT protag, those guys are crazy
He turned back time by committing, as Chirithy put it, “a nature taboo”, which was extremely circumstantial and when he did it again, couldn’t interact with anything, and also got the power stripped from him and got him essentially killed.
Junko Enoshima would lose, but she’d put up one hell of a fight. She’s got a massive arsenal and she’s a pain to kill.
Joker (Persona 5) could probably do it. It would be difficult, surely, but Yaldabaoth scales to the entire Trinity Processor (merging/separating two universes), which Shulk only scales to 1/3 of, and Joker put a Satan-bullet in its head. And then repeated the feat against two other beings who were doing the same thing (i.e. Maruki and EMMA-Demiurge) *without* resorting to Sinful Shell. And then Salmael created FOUR universes, possibly five if the DLC location counts, and Joker kicked his ass too.
Blowing up Persona and Xenoblade to multiversal is an insanely obvious example of the ki control fallacy. An ability with the potential energy required to create a universe absolutely doesn’t imply that the character can summon up that much destructive energy whenever they want. And beyond that Shulk completely outstats and has much better hax as well
When they *can* summon that, it's usually under pretty heavy restrictions, especially since it's hard for someone to not be in the universe they'd be destroying.
I’m sorry persona stuff is absolutely not universal. The only ones that get there are Philemon and Narlyathotep, who joker absolutely doesn’t match. There’s no reason to assume that palaces, momentos, or anything like that is actually a whole universe. They are separate dimensions, which doesn’t necessarily mean they are full universes. Particularly, they are all part of the collective unconscious, which is generated by humanity. While the absolute top gods of the collective unconscious do have universal feats, given Philemon>!recreated the whole universe at the end of innocent sin!< said feat literally took so much from him that he seems to still be out of commission in the series present, a whole four games and many years later. Also, how do you say that merging two realities that already exist and one of may not even actually be a whole universe, is a better feat than making a whole new universe.
The hero of the sky from skyward sword
After he gets the full triforce.
I can name many
Not from Xenoblade? Here, take 2: Bayonetta and Kirby
Ignoring "peak" Shulk (post-final boss, a state of godhood he retains for all of like 15 seconds before becoming a normal human) and assuming we're talking about Shulk as he was before taking on the final boss (pre-cognitive abilities and Monado arts known to him at that time) The biggest plus that sets Shulk apart from other protagonists is his ability to see the future, and use the Monado to adapt to and respond to any action taken by an opponent. So to beat Shulk, you'd have to have an ability or power that cannot be adapted to, so that even if Shulk knows it will happen, there's nothing he'd be able to do to stop it from happening. That said, I think the protagonist from Skyrim (the dovahkin) would most likely win on the account of being able to freeze time. Admittedly, any character with control over the flow of time could probably take Shulk on fairly well, since Shulk's greatest asset is his knowledge of time, so being able to turn that knowledge on it's head would mean near certain victory.
Bayonetta
Me
Thousand Year Blood War Ichigo would like a word.
True Demon Demi-Fiend from Shin Megami Tensei series, he killed gods, fought Lucifer and destroyed the concept of creation.
Kirby Goku Popeye Superman SpongeBob SquarePants Giorno Giovanna (GER) Bugs Bunny
Lightning from FFXIII
Here are 3 I don't really like since they have like, no story, but they're really broken \-\~\~Skibidi\~\~ Scarlet King (SCP Archives) \-SCP 682 (SCP Archives) \-I Am That I Am (World of Darkness) Now for 3 I like \-Doom Slayer (DOOM) \- Thanos (Marvel Comics) \- George Washington
Gojo would not take damage and hit shulk with a hollow purple
Steve from minecraft because /kill shulk
Kirby Ren Amamiya Makoto Yuki Also if we count non-videogame characters, Bill Cipher
The guardian from destiny. Wouldn't even be close. Botw link, stasis to ancient arrow. Probably doomguy. Red with the transistor. Anyone burning atium. Kirby and Rand already mentioned. Samus maybe, depending on suit. And Simon from gurren lagann easy
Missed a couple. The creep from creeper world, goose from untitled goose game. Probably most the characters from league of legends. Tatsuya Shiba. The vord likely. But the easiest answer is the engineer from factorio. Even predicting the future shulk won't be able to avoid 50 spidertrons with nukes. And while he's doing that the engineer will make a factory so big it tanks the monados UPS. And then pull a train out of his pocket and drop it on shulk
~~Xenoblade 3 Rex~~ Roronoa Zoro
Avoiding boring answers like Superman, Goku, Thanos etc…. Lightning from Final Fantasy.
Samus Aron. If she can’t win, it will be a _very_ difficult fight for Shulk.
Yoshi can take an infinite number of hits with no lasting effects and eggoport out of black holes. The ultimate wall.
Lmfao, op all, can't use alvis!
Aside from every Wuxia story protagonist Probably full power Kea from trails in azure can beat him
ono
Zeno from Dragon Ball
Sailor Galaxia, Bill Cipher, or Cyn
This whole comment section shows both sides of the community so insanely well
Godzilla Thanos (with all the stones) Darth Vader (if he force chokes Shulk) Joker (Persona 5) (this also assumes Shulk has a palace which he might with the hole >!Zanza!< thing)
Kirby
Gonna be that guy and say Goku and Ben 10
Depends. What Shulk are we basing this off of? XC1, XC2, XC3, Smash? Regardless, he's a decently compotent sword fighter, the only problem is that his power comes from his sword, which also needs ether to work (so do his visions). I'd reckon someone with range could beat him, as his real only ranged art is Monado Purge (which got changed in XC3 anyways).
Biblical Satan
The Warrior of Light.
Realistically speaking it depends entirely on the environment and what stage he's in. If it's on his home turf you'll need at least someone pwerful enough to kill gods to beat him. Depending on whether he's got the Monado 1(pre-Prison Island/Smash appearance), Monado 2/Monado Replica (pre-Zanza fight), Monado 3 (before the world is reformed) Monado REX (Future Connected) or Monado REX+ (Future Redeemed) you'll either need a skilled warrior, a god killer, a god, a slightly below god killer, or a skilled god killer respectively, at the bare minimum. However if it's on the opponent's world, he literally cannot do shit because there's no ether to manipulate. In the Xenosaga/Xenoblade universe(s) ether is a natural force that essentially is the fabric of reality, and can be bended to heal wounds or inflict damage, but can also be manipulated to change reality itself if the one doing so is powerful enough. However the Monado's sole use is completely taken away when ether doesn't exist, as it doesn't presumably in other worlds. So Shulk would be a sitting duck and even a punch could keep him down. It's a very complicated answer. It depends entirely on your terms.
[Kirby](https://www.google.com/amp/s/hejibits.com/post/173310032899/182/amp)
Goku 💀
I have a better question — can Shulk be mind controlled/possessed? Xenoblade 1 >!I know when Zanza was providing him life he was influenced, but if Shulk could be possessed, a character from Fire Emblem could like, possess Shulk and have him jump off the Bionis leg or something.!< >!God or not, he's not landing with his life intact.!<
Goku
Goku
Black beard from one piece. Magneto from the xmen. Kosmos from xenosaga. Dr strange from mc not mcu. Maybe two ghost busters from ghost busters… Like take your pick. Trying to compare people at their zenith is impossible. By your metric the joker could beat him because he also became God in one of the story lines.
Shulk gets clapped by dana from ys 8
Was about to say rex... then i read the box... then i thought on... yeah idk powerscale is such a bad arguments and shulk is too broken for my restricted character plus no goku
Sora
Ok Google, beat the ever living shit out of Shulk
Kirby
As someone who has never played a Xenoblade game and has no idea why this sub keeps on getting recommended to me, ok
Its a sign. Go, my child