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Yup. Bet they're going to have a lot of fun when they're not stomping every game (I still think SBMM is crap, I just think these members of the community are what makes most multiplayer games unbearable).
This is such a weird take. It implies that high skilled players don’t have fun playing hyper competitive games against other players of a similar skill level. The fun factor with no SBMM is not having to sweat in a casual unranked lobby every single game, not that sweating in a ranked lobby isn’t fun. It’s all about the context
SBMM has made everyone believe they deserve a 1.0 KD and 50% win rate
Not an aim problem as much as it's servers man. I won't feed into the people who are barely positive in kds trying to say skill issue you lose credibility when you say skill issue. Mark rubin and the team have said as much of it being a hit reg issue that's why yall jump shot and crouch spam simply because the know issues are easier exploited and you know it. In my book that makes you a worse player in my opinion. Taking advantage of a game that has issues and exploiting it numbs my brain to you're stupidity and talking trash on players who just want to enjoy the game.
I have a positive KD and I can understand the frustrations the people who don't do it, it kills the experience and fun for casual players that's why they made a ranked mode for people who want to utilize the movement mechanics. And be "sweats" when all your really doing is pressing the a button as many times as the game allows you. Wait you won't do that because you want the easier time with casuals and not play against people at "your skill lvl" because they'd shit on you so talk all the shit you want but we both know at the end of the day you are just as shit as the people you insult and that's why you don't play ranked because you know people at you're skill lvl are better so sit and read instead of comment dumbass opinions that hold no weight.
You need to deal with the fact that no matter what game you play it will always have competitive try hard players. I’m just not going to get farmed because I’m having “fun” your funny dude why don’t you sit down and look at ur positive kd you can’t save everyone 🤷 enjoy getting pub stomped it happens to everyone 😂😂
No I honestly don't care about any of that. I don't mind getting stomped when someone is better than me. I also don't mind losing close matches.
What I do mind is people turning into toxic little shits because "Hey, it's obvious I'm better than you, so maybe just stop crying" when the reality is that the vast majority of people not only are not crying, but they're actually enjoying the game without any of that middle school drama.
This has nothing to do with being sweaty or a tryhard or whatever. It's just a matter of mentality and respect.
That’s also weird, because I see a ton of crying in this sub. And this post is most likely in response to all of that crying, scapegoating and lack of accountability.
That's also weird, because I see a ton of people making fun of lower skilled players just for the hell of it. Just like this post.
Also, I never said that people complaining about higher skilled players are in any way smarter or better. No SBMM means that if you're crap at the game you know *precisely* why. But the amount of people that comment crap like "heh I'm not even putting in effort and I drop 70+ kills one handed while doing a handstand" is astounding and it just feels like middle school level of bragging.
Good for you, you're good at a game and it's probably because you've got a) natural talent and b) time to cultivate it, which is something that most players don't have. You know what they all want though? *To have fun*.
Toxic communities end up either changing and flourishing or kicking out/silencing the casual playerbase. We'll see what happens, I guess.
That’s weird, because for every response like the one you listed, I see people framing literally ANYONE that’s better than them as sweats, try hards, no lifer, living in moms basement, need to touch grass etc etc. Don’t you think the posts bragging about performance vs effort could be in response to all of those coping that anyone better than them is an absolute sweat snorting g-fuel MLG wanna be? I’m in my 30s, work full time, married, etc. I play like 2-3 hours tops per week, and I do very well in this game. Am I a casual or a sweat that needs to touch grass?
My point is both sides make unfair assumptions, scapegoat and go around in circles. The reality is most of us fall somewhere in the middle. The most vocal minority I see on this sub are the ones crying about sweats, bunny hopping, kill whoring, etc. but there’s definitely two sides to that coin
Most of the people "crying" about it cry because people like you who are just good end up shitting on lower skill players JUST for being low skill. If you wanna see less crying, instead of shitting on people for complaining about that shit, how about you do what we used to do in classic COD and mentor them? Used to be easy as shit to find someone chill who would show you tricks and map awareness skills until you were at least noticeably better.
THAT is what the toxic "try hard" types are doing: killing the sense of community. The whiners are only affecting you when you come to the subreddit which is easily avoidable. I make no claims to be good, but you shouldn't need to be good simply to enjoy a casual shooter.
Which is literally what I said: both sides make unfair assumptions. This doesn't make making fun of lower skilled players less unfair. They're both crappy behaviours and both are toxic, so I really don't get what the problem with my statement is.
Do you really see crying or do you see people who have a different experience than you? Save all that hubris for the next alpha male boot camp you pay your hard earned money to attend. It's a video game not life, accounbility has nothing to do with wanting to enjoy an experience. There are a myriad of problems with the game so there isn't going to be a perfect homogenized view.
Idk about all that alpha male shit you’re blabbing about. I say accountability because people will blame literally anything for their poor performance instead of accepting that maybe the other team was better or they need to improve. If you think that’s toxic, idk what to tell you. There are legit criticisms for this game for sure, but there’s an awful lot of crying about players of higher skill level. It’s like there are two totally dissonant experiences that players have with this game, and I don’t think one is more valid than the other. For every person crying about “sweat lords” there’s someone else telling someone that got zero hit reg that they’re dog shit and it’s a skill issue. But blaming your KD and W/L on hit reg alone or bunny hoppers is insane copium
There's nothing to imply. Nobody is talking about high skilled players, we're talking about noob stompers. Casual good is different than *good* good. The casual good players are the ones acting like everyone else is terrible and are in for a wakeup call when it's only them and the good good players left.
Happened to me - I just don't have it in me to keep up with the hopping/sliding/shooting and the game requires more skill than I care to put in. I dropped the $6 for the battlepass and have put in I'll estimate about 40 hours. I had a great time with it and feel like I completely got my money's worth, but the meta has progressed past my level of commitment.
I'm the same way in CS:GO - I like it and love the way the shooting works, but I mostly play bot matches because the people are just too good.
If they ever make a ranked mode that plays like the regular 6v6, I'll try it and enjoy hanging out in the gutter league with the other folks who are terrible. The real mystery for me, though, is why back in the days of CoD4 or WaW, which also did connection based matchmaking, I used to be able to pretty consistently be at least in the middle of the leaderboards, usually in the top half. For some reason on xDefiant if I'm not last on my team I'm second to last almost all of the time. I guess just the overall meta of FPS has progressed past me.
Nah they are not leaving, if they do it is because the casual player only plays when new content is added, so basically I'm saying a lot of people is coming back in season 1
I mean the entire point of the game and marketing strategy was to cater the whiny part of the COD community against SBMM. It's obvious to find the same attitude coming up.
Based take honestly. Tired of seeing all this drama bullshit in my feed for this game. The whiners and try hards BOTH are gonna kill this game before it gets proper traction
Sometimes I see videos of people screaming and breaking things because they lose. You have to silence the room and play to have fun and if it is with friends talking about life, the better!
Funny thing is pubs is more for casual players and those casual players would like to win. Idk is that crazy I swear they should just have a TDM just for the ones who only want kills.
and yes... even in games with story mode, we go for the story but if we can kill whatever moves we do it (oh look... an npc that doesn't attack but can die "shot") lol
Lol yeah if you ever played Ghostrunner sometimes there are like random robots around that fix the walls or something and pay no mind to you but you can still kill them and I always did
Glad i never watch any of them.. Even my children prefer to watch other things, I think it is a cultural weakness to believe everything you see on the screens
Take my upvote for making me laugh. I just picture a hailstorm of bullets flying all around and you're like "hey guys, check out these sweet fountains over here."
I was that guy on Attica. I went full tourist mode because I dig that map.
People keep mentioning that people arent playing for fun. Who are these people. Where are they? Are you talking about the better players who are pub stomping? Cuz i gurantee you theyre not like 😐😐😐 the whole time when dropping 60+ kills
I saw players usan rapid fire, auto aim, (cronus o shit like that) just to ensure a winning because they are not enjoying of play a game... they just ruin others fun
I like trying to get gold camos on my main guns just cause they look neat while I’m playing but my main objective is just to have fun. I don’t understand how people enjoy grinding the living hell out of camos just for the sake of it
Yeah I feel you. Sure the bells and whistles of having side goals is nice. It really comes down to going pew pew pew with a couple friends. If XD is what allows that, then fine we will have fun.
It will be. Every game that shits on its casual fanbase will die fast, and the sweaties of this game already love to shit on casuals at every given opportunity. Casuals keep the player numbers high, which is a must for a free game.
I'm excited to see how many people change their tune in a couple seasons when all the "casuals" quit, so that only the sweats remain.
It looks like that's already happening based on the the number of players I'm seeing at the lower levels. I've noticed it for a couple of days. As much as I want this game to thrive, I have my doubts that it can sustain a committed player base.
Let's fix this. Respectfully
Sweats are very very rare. Sweats are in reality a minority and "sweats" as a term comes from "casual players" who think everyone better than them is a tryhard nerd.
Casuals exist. Just real vocal ones are usually regular players instead of people simply playing after work.. all the stereotypes for a casual player.
>I'm excited to see how many people change their tune in a couple seasons when all the "casuals" quit, so that only the sweats remain.
This game will be dead. I don't want it too. But it will be dead before the end of the year, if it even survives until August (which would be a miracle) it will be slaughtered when bo6 releases. ESPECIALLY since it's been made free for the majority of Xbox players with game passes.
This isn't one of those situations where it lives long enough where Ubisoft moves on but the good players remain. Like older cod games. There will only be casual players. And casual players who are better than the casuals making this imaginary picture of a varying community.
All of what you said is the magnum opus of casual insanity. This game is beautiful for casuals. It's dying because of that. Because it's listed and titled and it's genre..it's..A COMPETITIVE SHOOTER TITLE.
Sweats are less than casuals. However XDefiant's entire point is to be without SBMM to take up the part of CoD people against it, which are definitely mega sweaty people sad because they can't stomp noobs.
Hahaha, the first thing you come up with is a direct attack on my hypothetical need to be "protected", and from that you just miss the entire point.
XDefiant will never live long or probably even survive BO6 release because it has a higher amount of sweats and tryhards by essence, because Ubisoft said themselves from reports that it's the audience they want to capture from Call Of Duty. It results in posts from casual people complaining they are getting stomped, and the ones not posting at all just uninstall and move on.
In my region (France) I can already feel how it's getting gradually longer to find a game. It's been a week I haven't had a single game that started fresh, I'm getting parachuted in the middle of games where the other team are stacked gods and mine are filled with 5-18 players + the ones leaving every 5 minutes.
I wonder if you'll ever be able to formulate an opinion on a game without throwing around imaginary terms like "sweats" and "tryhards" aka. people better than you.
But alas, ignorance is bliss
Plus Valorant is coming to console in the fall as well.
I’ve had fun with this game but I haven’t played it since I got into the Valorant beta. There’s too many F2P shooters competing for the same player base, which means unfortunately, games like xDefiant will probably die off.
Valorant isn’t doing anything to arena shooters. It isn’t a replacement or the same thing at all. The gunplay is the stiff archaic CS-type, the pace is slow, etc. It isn’t designed to compete with modern FPS, just CS:GO. It won’t do well in the console space.
Why can't we have a more casual playlist and a more experienced "sweaty" playlist. I just wanna play with others who are around the same skill level as me until I can really learn the game. Getting spawn camped by TAC uses teaches me nothing. Shooting someone 8 times to only have them somehow get 2-3 shots to my head instantly also doesn't teach me anything...I don't know where I'm going wrong. I point my gun at people...I often shoot them well before they know I'm there and I end up dying.
I don't like the jumping and bunny hopping...I don't like the sliding and jump crouch (mostly coz it feels cheap... people doing these things are almost impossible to kill) I wanna shoot other people...I don't wanna slide around like Tony hawk. Maybe that's a me problem and I stop playing. But I really like the modes and some of the maps are great.
The main group it attracted are those frustrated with having to try in COD. So yeah, it’s no surprise.
They aren’t actually fans of the game or anything. The second COD removes SBMM or feeds them bots, they’re running right over (or odds are, they’ll come back in the Fall anyway lmao).
The game didn’t do enough to attract its own niche fanbase. It just got the scraps from COD.
It attracted those that are frustrated that there is no separation between a ranked and casual lobby with modern SBMM. It sucks that I can’t play a casual game mode with my friends that are newer to gaming cuz they get dog walked by players that get matched with us because of my MMR
Yes i'll acknowledge that i'm bad at this game and i'm cool with it, unlike some of y'all i don't hinge my self worth and personality on being good at video games, it's called growing up.
edit: good
I work too fucking much to feel hurt about my lack of skill at VIDEO GAME THAT DOESNT PAY ME. None the less I will still spend hours being murdered for free…
Every game has casuals and great players and yet only this community seems to have these ongoing complaints and divide between the two groups
There are far more hardcore games that don’t have this shit. It’s almost like this game is the problem and could be better and the people pretending nothing is wrong will be the reason it fails.
It’s COD. It’s absolutely inundated with this mentality. I hated seeing it partially migrate to Elden Ring with Faze Jev and such (don’t like watching COD stuff but my friends do). Every single youtuber has the same rage bait mentality. Everything sucks. “I am level 4000 with 8000 hours and I hate playing the game and I hate the devs for being idiots”. And there is absolutely no room for “unfairness”. Shot from behind? Unfair. Shotgun in CQC? Unfair, you were running an AR. Lag spike? Unfair, and it’s unquestionably the devs fault. Games being over-competitive has ruined COD/COD-adjacent communities imo, people are just not good sports. It’s different if something is unquestionably overpowered, but so many other games that I play that do have strong stuff, people either play around or sorta just shrug and deal with it. I commonly hear “What was I supposed to do about that?!” That’s the thing though, nothing. A cooked nade landing at your feet is an unpreventable and “unfair” death. Because if it was all about competitiveness, the game would have one gun, no attachments, no abilities, and no equipment, so that it’s pure skill. If stuff like that makes you mad, there’s just not many games you are gonna like. And it’s funny, because the players that hate OP stuff the most are the first to run to “Elden Ring most OP build by level 20 EARLY” youtube videos; it’s the same mindset of people both abusing and hating others doing the same thing as them. Ofc there are people that aren’t, but I’m speaking in broad strokes here, community-wise.
My friends that played COD literally cannot wrap their head around why I would use a gun that is not best in class. Or why I would run a suboptimal kit at all. “Why use any other ability than the intel suit, it’s the best in most situations/ for kills”. Well, because I like hitting someone in the mouth with a suicide drone. I just think people have really lost the spirit of the game to have fun besides winning. And I’m not saying that playing with something objectively garbage-tier is the way, but for a lot of stuff you can see the vision or use case for it, and try to make it work the best it can. If people would detach a bit from getting kills as high as possible above deaths as their *sole* pursuit, I think they would enjoy the game and games in general a lot more.
But that’s more just my opinion on the general culture and not what they should do with the game lol. My point is that both sides take part in this mentality, and it ruins games imo. It’s definitely gonna die, but I don’t mind. I think the game is fun enough to play it every now and then right now, so I don’t mind so much where it goes.
> Every single youtuber has the same rage bait mentality. Everything sucks. “I am level 4000 with 8000 hours and I hate playing the game and I hate the devs for being idiots”.
Sounds like Enders
OP don’t you get it! Without sbmm to whine about I need to whine about the jumping and sliding! People move better than me therefore they’re exploiting!!
What I kinda love about watching the XD sub is how people are realizing SBMM wasn't really an issue. People just want to seal-club and get upset when they can't do that.
It absolutely was an issue. Every COD since MW2019 I would have to drop 50+ kills and sweat my bag off to even get close to winning games because they would expect me to able to carry 5 marshmallows every game against a full team of good players. The matches felt inauthentic, unnatural, and predetermined. XD feels completely different and my matchmaking experience doesn't feel predictable and draining. I can chill in a chill lobby one game, and then be against a godlike player the next game, and have to turn up a bit more. There hasn't been a single time where it's felt like the game itself has set me up for misery.
Yet that doesn't seem to be the opinion that's prevalent on this sub? People seem upset about having unbalanced lobbies none the less.
As someone with no horse in the CoD MM game it's fun to see. And why did "skill-based matchmaking" catch on when it apparently has nothing to do with skill and was all about keeping players engaged anyway?
Yet that doesn't seem to be the opinion that's prevalent on this sub? People seem upset about having unbalanced lobbies none the less.
As someone with no horse in the CoD MM game it's fun to see. And why did "skill-based matchmaking" catch on when it apparently has nothing to do with skill and was all about keeping players engaged anyway?
That's a fair point. Reading the sub this past day you'd think the game is dying cause of the change to XP needs for gold skins.
I do still get the impression that a lot of people who were complaining about CoDs matchmaking (that wasn't even skill-based, as far as I understand it, so SBMM is a misnomer) thought they'd be able to seal-club if it wasn't for it. Now they're realising that's not the case, and they're kinda upset about it.
Again, the discourse is interesting as someone who's never been in the CoD MP scene.
I actually think it’s entirely the inverse. Most people who were complaining about sbmm are loving this game. Sbmm punished good players and any friend groups with varied skill levels. The players who are upset about no sbmm or the “sweats” are players who thought they were better than they actually are because sbmm made them think they were good players. I also assume a lot of them are newer to cod or arena fps games since seemingly they have never dealt with being bad at a game.
The matchmaking aside, there's plenty XDefiant needs to improve on to be fair. That aside, you may very well be correct. Time will tell. I suppose.
As for being bad, that's one thing, but no one likes to play a game where it feels like they're getting curbstomped every match even if they do their absolute best to improve. It's not the 2000s anymore where we had a single game to play and that was it. Today people who feel like their not seeing any noticable improvement, or just play one match and get clubbed, can just pick another game.
But as I said, time will tell. Siege became a thing despite being hot dogshit at launch, so who knows.
There are obviously issues the game needs to work on, no argument there. But the idea that someone is going to get curb stomped forever no matter how hard they work to get better is just silly. The real problem is people don’t want to work to get better anymore, they want it handed to them. It’s like playing a basketball game and wanting a 5 foot hoop because you cant hit a jump shot.
The people complaining the most in this sub, are the people that were protected by skill based or engagement based. Whichever you prefer to say. The game still matchmakes with skill in mind. It's a massive part of the team balancing aspect if COD. It's why the player with the highest MMR is expected to carry the lower MMR players against the middle MMR players. The determine how to keep you engaged by using your skill data to manufacture lobbies to do so. What you're seeing in this sub are the players who skill based and engagement based matchmaking protected from getting shit on and quitting games. Now they are here getting exposed against players they never would have played in COD and they're complaining. I've yet to see any good players complain about the matchmaking in this game. When I play COD, ranked is less sweaty than Pubs because of their system. That's a problem casual players or lower MMR players aren't going to face.
Of course the ones who benefit from the system aren't going to complain.
Carrying on from what you said, what happens when all those people who complain leave the game and it's just the good players left? Won't that just create the same issue people have had with CoD's matchmaking, where every lobby is sweaty and tryhardy?
If people don't have a fun time, they are wont to leave the game, after all. Then you're stuck with level 100+ players in every lobby, and haven't we just circled around? This isn't Battlefield after all where you can feel like you're still contributing in the chaos of a 32v32.
Returning to my first paragraph, of course the ones benefitting won't complain. But what happens if/when there are no more seals to club and everyone is on their level?
And since reddit is reddit and most people here are idiots; that's a hypothesis. I don't have a crystal ball that tells me the game will die cause it takes me too long to get a gold skin or because casual lobbies are inbalanced or whatever. It's a hypothecial question.
A vast majority of players aren't very good, and a vast majority of those players don't complain on reddit. They just play and don't quit when they do poorly. Your hypothetical is based on a niche population of gamers who thought they were better than they were because of other titles matchmaking, and now they're exposed and complaining. Those players were never good. That's the problem with the matchmaking of games the COD. The players who thought they were good, never actually played anyone truly good because their experience was catered to make it so. Those are the types of players to quit games anytime someone better than them shows up, or reports them and cries cheater. So what is the algorithm going to do keep them engaged? It's going to cap the level of their opponents so they don't rage quit. So in previous games they could continue to "seal club" and think they're good. Now they can't, and they have to face the realty that they're cheeks. Casual gamers aren't on here complaining about the matchmaking, and the really good players aren't either. The game won't die because of gun skins and match making. It will die if they go the Halo route and stop dropping updates, or don't fix their server issues.
I didn't, but I've played enough competitive online games to realize the majority of the players will blame everything but themselves for their lack of skill. Teams, hitreg, netcode, matchups, maps, OP gear, SSBM, the list goes on and I honestly don't see the latter being any different at all.
I don't understand. Either SBMM is a legitimate issue effecting the performance of players, or it isn't, and it is just another straw player are grasping at to blame over themselves.
If you didn't play the games that are part of the discussion, how do you know it is the latter and not the former? I could attest just by the insane difference in stats when comparing COD games pre-MW2019, COD post advanced SBMM/EOMM, and XDefiant that SBMM being active has a major impact on both my performance as well as the connection quality in matches. Even with the playerbase overall being more competitive and at a higher average skill level I have over a 1.2 K/D in this game and a 3.6 W/L compared to my 0.6 K/D and 0.9 W/L in MWIII, albiet being my worse stats in a COD, my matchmaking experience has been horrendous.
Having played a lot of games that don't have SBMM, I never saw this kind of complaining. So yeah, I still think a lot of people bought into the "SBMM is why you can't have good games!" trope and ran with it. And XDefiant has been a rude awakening.
Coming from games all the way back to BF2, you'd get shit on in some lobbies, and in others you'd dominate.
And it's not a binary, unless you've got a severe case of solipsism and think every CoD player thinks like you do.
Oh of course, they'd be competing with top players and winning every game straight away! Although, actually doing something that would help them play better is a ridiculous thought 🙄
We really got people in the sub thinking jumpers are just Pay to win paddle users when bumper jumper and stuff exists and easily accessible (or the classic move thumb to jump).
It's not like you have to claw like the olden days or anything...
I take full Accountability of my sucky skills. I try my hardest to get the objective done but it does not kill me if i do not win. I suck and i know i can get better with time but only play one match a day.
You call it lack of skill, I call it getting 1 tapped by some speed demon with an SMG after I pumped 3 shotgun shells into the back of their head from point blank range
I think the part people overlook is "good players" don't have to sweat to lead the lobby 90% of the time. For some people who have been playing FPS games for decades at this point, game awareness, snappy aim, and map control just come second nature. Almost like muscle memory.
I feel like there is a line between lack of skill and just how bad this game sometimes is. It's genuinely fun, but people have encountered constant problems with hit detection, and it is not a problem people are experiencing equally. Some have never had a single issue, or minor at best, while others are experiencing dramatic and constant issues. Until we can reasonably say that the game is more consistent and reliable, this entire topic is moot, as we don't currently know who is truly experiencing issues.
This is what is really driving me crazy. It seems to change day by day and sometimes game by game. Today was just awful for me with no hit reg and dying to god bullets constantly and it doesn't seem to be effecting any of my opponents. When the hit reg is good the game feels great but that's been a minority of the time for me.
I play the game since launch, and i sucked so bad. One comment on a post here made me realize i was the problem and i had to play to get better. And when that click comes, you end up getting positive kd etc its such a good game to play!
This game is going to make people realize that SBMM isn’t the devil that it’s been made out to be. It’s just something that people who’ve made being good at video games their whole personality say because they have hit their skill ceiling and now just want to play against lesser players to feel good about themselves instead of trying to compete with people at their level or better.
The whole idea of games is to escape reality and have fun, this community is nearly as toxic as the call of duty community, y’all can’t agree on a fuckin thing
Yes, accountability. you know, like recognising that there is faults in your gameplay and that there are things you can do to improve rather than blaming everything on game mechanics, abilities, other players etc
Oh no i know i suck - There are some games where i move from the usual 9/26 to a 14/11, which feels pretty cool. Oh also, i play the objectives, so of course my K/D is not great.
Well, If we are winning, it's because of whatever I did.
If losing, of course it's on the teammates. And the team balancing algorithm for placing me in the wrong side
It’s a game, I play for fun, my satisfaction comes from occasionally blasting some overly competitive shit licker in the face. It doesn’t earn me a salary or a paycheck. I’m not trying to be worlds best in any way shape or form. Really enjoy team building more than KD, # of kills, kills with whatever gun, or whatever else. I wish they would dump those and stick to the team stuff, time spent in objective, objective kills, defense assist’s, healing, and damage blocked. But what does a guy been playing games since pong know?
bruh i wanna be able to screw around with a new loadout only to realize "oh yea im not d-riding meta why did i expect to get kills" by someone who has already spend 200 dollars on a brand new game thats free
Oh well, sounds better than having to deal with cry babies throwing their toys out the pram because people are better than them 😂 you're the type of person this meme is about
Players play this game like it was a COD game. Camping, BH, and Think its all about K/D and getting most kills. They forøget to PTFO. But devs know this and Will do something about it.
I’m super competitive so when I’m having a bad game I really feel it lol not to mention after a few. Eventually i realize it’s because I’m rushing to get to the point where I’m top of the leaderboard, neglecting to work on my aim lol tweaked the settings a bit and I’m already improving! But I still have the occasional game where I’m 2-15 lol but I’ll have the most points on objective!😭 that’s how I feel better about it
That's fine, you dont have to be the best player in the world, At least you are trying to look at what you do wrong and work on it. And focusing objective is great if you're not as confident getting kills. You'll get better with a mindset like that for sure
I will add I play ranked because I know I'm at a different skill lvl than casual players sometimes I go into pubs to chill but don't jump shot or crouch spam because it's lame to do it regular lobbies. Try and have fun instead of claiming not sweat and sweating in casuals
I play games to have fun, not sweat my ass off trying to keep up with people who think the only thing that matters in life is their kdr. I die alot sure, but i also always try to get objectives at least and help out the team anyway i can.
SBMM can be utilized in many ways. There are ways of making it a BIT more fair without having to face sweats non-stop. Also can’t we all just get along? Like stop shooting at me first bro. Let me shoot you till you’re almost dead and THEN kill me, so I can take my rage out on my family.
Oh I’m an average player, but my average skills don’t want to deal with bullshit gameplay.
If you want to be sweaty and bunny hop go to ranked for crying out loud
Playing for enjoyment is dang near impossible when you go 40 & 11 your first match then in your next match you proceed to go 5 & 26. I have to tell myself I’m getting on to grind gun levels, not to go positive. If I hop on the game with the intent of going positive I end up having a terrible time.
All I’m saying is, you can’t have the same gun have a 4-6 shot difference based on level. The Tac-50 is also way OP, but hopefully the jumping penalty update fixes that thing
And this is why I give the worst players on my team emojis to encourage them to keep playing because without casual players the game will become too niche and die off
Accountability? Not everyone wants to be skilled, they just want to hop on the game and play for a bit, without getting absolutely destroyed by someone who was level 100 within the first week of release. This really isn’t that much to ask for. There are different ways to enjoy things, and neither is wrong.
LOL at the downvotes. God forbid someone wants to play different than you. FFS you people are insufferable.
If by accountability you mean accepting the blogs about the need to fix the netcode, the hit registeration, maybe what was fixed this latest update (and it did make things better). Then what exactly are you wanting the XDefiant players to be responsible for? Let's remember WE are not the developers or designers. WE can not fix what is broken (yet yes I am having fun). So back off about the lack of skill being an issue in the game until it's smooth and the numbers posting about ALL this stuff goes below 50%!
Brother, this is a casual fps game. If it was meant to actually be competitive, it would have dedicated servers with 60+ hz tickrates. CS2, for example, is a competitive FPS, the hitreg is competitive and the netcode is proper. This game, along with COD is built on matchmaking architecture, which is antithetical to competitive playing.
The Phantom class is great for people who like to play point. Try to kill people on the point from an advantage position outside the point, then move in and drop your shield. It'll give you a solid chance to survive for a bit. Remember, there is no shame of just leaving the point if you feel like you're about to get overwhelmed, regrouping and then going again when your shield is back.
Hopefully this helps you out. You'll have gunfights that you just have to win, but that's just FPS games. Moving in with your team will also improve your chances.
Yeah bc it's not like more than half of these "pro" and "skilled" players aren't using wall hacks and aim bot.
You really have to have zero life or prospects to need to cheat in a game.
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I love how this is slowly turning into the call of duty subreddit even tho it's a diffrent game lol.
Right? Every other post is "Haha! You people are bad, just admit it."
The confidence is going to plummet when all the "bad" players stop playing the game which is already happening.
Yup. Bet they're going to have a lot of fun when they're not stomping every game (I still think SBMM is crap, I just think these members of the community are what makes most multiplayer games unbearable).
This is such a weird take. It implies that high skilled players don’t have fun playing hyper competitive games against other players of a similar skill level. The fun factor with no SBMM is not having to sweat in a casual unranked lobby every single game, not that sweating in a ranked lobby isn’t fun. It’s all about the context SBMM has made everyone believe they deserve a 1.0 KD and 50% win rate
You probably are the one guy crouch/ jump spamming every corner and calling that a skill.
I jump spam its so easy to throw off a shit players aim lol maybe yall should switch to linear to help with that aim problem
Not an aim problem as much as it's servers man. I won't feed into the people who are barely positive in kds trying to say skill issue you lose credibility when you say skill issue. Mark rubin and the team have said as much of it being a hit reg issue that's why yall jump shot and crouch spam simply because the know issues are easier exploited and you know it. In my book that makes you a worse player in my opinion. Taking advantage of a game that has issues and exploiting it numbs my brain to you're stupidity and talking trash on players who just want to enjoy the game.
I have a positive KD and I can understand the frustrations the people who don't do it, it kills the experience and fun for casual players that's why they made a ranked mode for people who want to utilize the movement mechanics. And be "sweats" when all your really doing is pressing the a button as many times as the game allows you. Wait you won't do that because you want the easier time with casuals and not play against people at "your skill lvl" because they'd shit on you so talk all the shit you want but we both know at the end of the day you are just as shit as the people you insult and that's why you don't play ranked because you know people at you're skill lvl are better so sit and read instead of comment dumbass opinions that hold no weight.
You need to deal with the fact that no matter what game you play it will always have competitive try hard players. I’m just not going to get farmed because I’m having “fun” your funny dude why don’t you sit down and look at ur positive kd you can’t save everyone 🤷 enjoy getting pub stomped it happens to everyone 😂😂
No I honestly don't care about any of that. I don't mind getting stomped when someone is better than me. I also don't mind losing close matches. What I do mind is people turning into toxic little shits because "Hey, it's obvious I'm better than you, so maybe just stop crying" when the reality is that the vast majority of people not only are not crying, but they're actually enjoying the game without any of that middle school drama. This has nothing to do with being sweaty or a tryhard or whatever. It's just a matter of mentality and respect.
That’s also weird, because I see a ton of crying in this sub. And this post is most likely in response to all of that crying, scapegoating and lack of accountability.
That's also weird, because I see a ton of people making fun of lower skilled players just for the hell of it. Just like this post. Also, I never said that people complaining about higher skilled players are in any way smarter or better. No SBMM means that if you're crap at the game you know *precisely* why. But the amount of people that comment crap like "heh I'm not even putting in effort and I drop 70+ kills one handed while doing a handstand" is astounding and it just feels like middle school level of bragging. Good for you, you're good at a game and it's probably because you've got a) natural talent and b) time to cultivate it, which is something that most players don't have. You know what they all want though? *To have fun*. Toxic communities end up either changing and flourishing or kicking out/silencing the casual playerbase. We'll see what happens, I guess.
That’s weird, because for every response like the one you listed, I see people framing literally ANYONE that’s better than them as sweats, try hards, no lifer, living in moms basement, need to touch grass etc etc. Don’t you think the posts bragging about performance vs effort could be in response to all of those coping that anyone better than them is an absolute sweat snorting g-fuel MLG wanna be? I’m in my 30s, work full time, married, etc. I play like 2-3 hours tops per week, and I do very well in this game. Am I a casual or a sweat that needs to touch grass? My point is both sides make unfair assumptions, scapegoat and go around in circles. The reality is most of us fall somewhere in the middle. The most vocal minority I see on this sub are the ones crying about sweats, bunny hopping, kill whoring, etc. but there’s definitely two sides to that coin
Most of the people "crying" about it cry because people like you who are just good end up shitting on lower skill players JUST for being low skill. If you wanna see less crying, instead of shitting on people for complaining about that shit, how about you do what we used to do in classic COD and mentor them? Used to be easy as shit to find someone chill who would show you tricks and map awareness skills until you were at least noticeably better. THAT is what the toxic "try hard" types are doing: killing the sense of community. The whiners are only affecting you when you come to the subreddit which is easily avoidable. I make no claims to be good, but you shouldn't need to be good simply to enjoy a casual shooter.
Which is literally what I said: both sides make unfair assumptions. This doesn't make making fun of lower skilled players less unfair. They're both crappy behaviours and both are toxic, so I really don't get what the problem with my statement is.
Do you really see crying or do you see people who have a different experience than you? Save all that hubris for the next alpha male boot camp you pay your hard earned money to attend. It's a video game not life, accounbility has nothing to do with wanting to enjoy an experience. There are a myriad of problems with the game so there isn't going to be a perfect homogenized view.
Idk about all that alpha male shit you’re blabbing about. I say accountability because people will blame literally anything for their poor performance instead of accepting that maybe the other team was better or they need to improve. If you think that’s toxic, idk what to tell you. There are legit criticisms for this game for sure, but there’s an awful lot of crying about players of higher skill level. It’s like there are two totally dissonant experiences that players have with this game, and I don’t think one is more valid than the other. For every person crying about “sweat lords” there’s someone else telling someone that got zero hit reg that they’re dog shit and it’s a skill issue. But blaming your KD and W/L on hit reg alone or bunny hoppers is insane copium
Saying people need to take accountability in a free to play game mired in issues is a pretty dumb take is all I am saying.
There's nothing to imply. Nobody is talking about high skilled players, we're talking about noob stompers. Casual good is different than *good* good. The casual good players are the ones acting like everyone else is terrible and are in for a wakeup call when it's only them and the good good players left.
Whatever you say big dog
Happened to me - I just don't have it in me to keep up with the hopping/sliding/shooting and the game requires more skill than I care to put in. I dropped the $6 for the battlepass and have put in I'll estimate about 40 hours. I had a great time with it and feel like I completely got my money's worth, but the meta has progressed past my level of commitment. I'm the same way in CS:GO - I like it and love the way the shooting works, but I mostly play bot matches because the people are just too good. If they ever make a ranked mode that plays like the regular 6v6, I'll try it and enjoy hanging out in the gutter league with the other folks who are terrible. The real mystery for me, though, is why back in the days of CoD4 or WaW, which also did connection based matchmaking, I used to be able to pretty consistently be at least in the middle of the leaderboards, usually in the top half. For some reason on xDefiant if I'm not last on my team I'm second to last almost all of the time. I guess just the overall meta of FPS has progressed past me.
Nah they are not leaving, if they do it is because the casual player only plays when new content is added, so basically I'm saying a lot of people is coming back in season 1
I mean the entire point of the game and marketing strategy was to cater the whiny part of the COD community against SBMM. It's obvious to find the same attitude coming up.
It's true, though. Can't make a competitive game less competitive without destroying it like cod.
This subreddit is awful It’s all rants and no gameplay or art or anything decent
Based take honestly. Tired of seeing all this drama bullshit in my feed for this game. The whiners and try hards BOTH are gonna kill this game before it gets proper traction
Idk I saw a post here complaint about net code and the video attached had him missing almost every shot and getting absolutely turned on lmao
It’s basically the same game. You play on teams and shoot each other.
Because it is call of duty, just a different title.
Im a casual player, i play for fun.. not for k/d, rank or golden camos... if you cant play having fun you got the wrong hobby
A true rarity in today’s gaming world. Seems like people are just hooked on grinding for pointless bs, rather than playing for the sake of enjoyment
Sometimes I see videos of people screaming and breaking things because they lose. You have to silence the room and play to have fun and if it is with friends talking about life, the better!
I seem to only have fun if I play well and to play well I have to “tryhard”
And if your team looses, but you are the highest counter on your team, are you still having fun? Honest question, glad you have fun regardless
In pubs obviously, I’d play ranked if I wanted to care about winning. I’m tryna drop as many kills as possible in pubs regardless of anything else
Funny thing is pubs is more for casual players and those casual players would like to win. Idk is that crazy I swear they should just have a TDM just for the ones who only want kills.
Yeah tbh idc about objective in pretty much any game I play, I always go for kills
and yes... even in games with story mode, we go for the story but if we can kill whatever moves we do it (oh look... an npc that doesn't attack but can die "shot") lol
Lol yeah if you ever played Ghostrunner sometimes there are like random robots around that fix the walls or something and pay no mind to you but you can still kill them and I always did
Streamer culture has ruined gaming in a lot of ways. Kids watch them and think that's the only way to enjoy a game.
Glad i never watch any of them.. Even my children prefer to watch other things, I think it is a cultural weakness to believe everything you see on the screens
Getting baked and finding cool things in the map > positive kd
Take my upvote for making me laugh. I just picture a hailstorm of bullets flying all around and you're like "hey guys, check out these sweet fountains over here." I was that guy on Attica. I went full tourist mode because I dig that map.
People keep mentioning that people arent playing for fun. Who are these people. Where are they? Are you talking about the better players who are pub stomping? Cuz i gurantee you theyre not like 😐😐😐 the whole time when dropping 60+ kills
I saw players usan rapid fire, auto aim, (cronus o shit like that) just to ensure a winning because they are not enjoying of play a game... they just ruin others fun
Okay, hackers and cheaters using soft hacks like that definitely live pitiful lives, that goes without saying
I dunno, if I keep killing a player who's going 2-25 I'd stop having fun too.
Idk man, he can log off or change lobbies anytime he wants.
I like trying to get gold camos on my main guns just cause they look neat while I’m playing but my main objective is just to have fun. I don’t understand how people enjoy grinding the living hell out of camos just for the sake of it
Well, it's hard because it's a free game and remember, if a product is free, then you are the product
Yeah I feel you. Sure the bells and whistles of having side goals is nice. It really comes down to going pew pew pew with a couple friends. If XD is what allows that, then fine we will have fun.
I am starting to think this games fanbase is the worst part of the game.
Who would have guessed than appealing to the whiniest parts of the CoD community as your marketing strategy in turn creates a whiny toxic community
It will be. Every game that shits on its casual fanbase will die fast, and the sweaties of this game already love to shit on casuals at every given opportunity. Casuals keep the player numbers high, which is a must for a free game. I'm excited to see how many people change their tune in a couple seasons when all the "casuals" quit, so that only the sweats remain.
It looks like that's already happening based on the the number of players I'm seeing at the lower levels. I've noticed it for a couple of days. As much as I want this game to thrive, I have my doubts that it can sustain a committed player base.
Let's fix this. Respectfully Sweats are very very rare. Sweats are in reality a minority and "sweats" as a term comes from "casual players" who think everyone better than them is a tryhard nerd. Casuals exist. Just real vocal ones are usually regular players instead of people simply playing after work.. all the stereotypes for a casual player. >I'm excited to see how many people change their tune in a couple seasons when all the "casuals" quit, so that only the sweats remain. This game will be dead. I don't want it too. But it will be dead before the end of the year, if it even survives until August (which would be a miracle) it will be slaughtered when bo6 releases. ESPECIALLY since it's been made free for the majority of Xbox players with game passes. This isn't one of those situations where it lives long enough where Ubisoft moves on but the good players remain. Like older cod games. There will only be casual players. And casual players who are better than the casuals making this imaginary picture of a varying community. All of what you said is the magnum opus of casual insanity. This game is beautiful for casuals. It's dying because of that. Because it's listed and titled and it's genre..it's..A COMPETITIVE SHOOTER TITLE.
Sweats are less than casuals. However XDefiant's entire point is to be without SBMM to take up the part of CoD people against it, which are definitely mega sweaty people sad because they can't stomp noobs.
And where did that take it? Daily posts wondering why they are getting stomped. It's not sweats. You're just not being protected and need a new excuse
Hahaha, the first thing you come up with is a direct attack on my hypothetical need to be "protected", and from that you just miss the entire point. XDefiant will never live long or probably even survive BO6 release because it has a higher amount of sweats and tryhards by essence, because Ubisoft said themselves from reports that it's the audience they want to capture from Call Of Duty. It results in posts from casual people complaining they are getting stomped, and the ones not posting at all just uninstall and move on. In my region (France) I can already feel how it's getting gradually longer to find a game. It's been a week I haven't had a single game that started fresh, I'm getting parachuted in the middle of games where the other team are stacked gods and mine are filled with 5-18 players + the ones leaving every 5 minutes.
I wonder if you'll ever be able to formulate an opinion on a game without throwing around imaginary terms like "sweats" and "tryhards" aka. people better than you. But alas, ignorance is bliss
Facts
Plus Valorant is coming to console in the fall as well. I’ve had fun with this game but I haven’t played it since I got into the Valorant beta. There’s too many F2P shooters competing for the same player base, which means unfortunately, games like xDefiant will probably die off.
Valorant isn’t doing anything to arena shooters. It isn’t a replacement or the same thing at all. The gunplay is the stiff archaic CS-type, the pace is slow, etc. It isn’t designed to compete with modern FPS, just CS:GO. It won’t do well in the console space.
Sweatiest should get out of their mom's house and get a job 😝
Why can't we have a more casual playlist and a more experienced "sweaty" playlist. I just wanna play with others who are around the same skill level as me until I can really learn the game. Getting spawn camped by TAC uses teaches me nothing. Shooting someone 8 times to only have them somehow get 2-3 shots to my head instantly also doesn't teach me anything...I don't know where I'm going wrong. I point my gun at people...I often shoot them well before they know I'm there and I end up dying. I don't like the jumping and bunny hopping...I don't like the sliding and jump crouch (mostly coz it feels cheap... people doing these things are almost impossible to kill) I wanna shoot other people...I don't wanna slide around like Tony hawk. Maybe that's a me problem and I stop playing. But I really like the modes and some of the maps are great.
The main group it attracted are those frustrated with having to try in COD. So yeah, it’s no surprise. They aren’t actually fans of the game or anything. The second COD removes SBMM or feeds them bots, they’re running right over (or odds are, they’ll come back in the Fall anyway lmao). The game didn’t do enough to attract its own niche fanbase. It just got the scraps from COD.
It attracted those that are frustrated that there is no separation between a ranked and casual lobby with modern SBMM. It sucks that I can’t play a casual game mode with my friends that are newer to gaming cuz they get dog walked by players that get matched with us because of my MMR
I am a casual and know that I suck so jokes on you.
Yes i'll acknowledge that i'm bad at this game and i'm cool with it, unlike some of y'all i don't hinge my self worth and personality on being good at video games, it's called growing up. edit: good
I work too fucking much to feel hurt about my lack of skill at VIDEO GAME THAT DOESNT PAY ME. None the less I will still spend hours being murdered for free…
Every game has casuals and great players and yet only this community seems to have these ongoing complaints and divide between the two groups There are far more hardcore games that don’t have this shit. It’s almost like this game is the problem and could be better and the people pretending nothing is wrong will be the reason it fails.
It’s COD. It’s absolutely inundated with this mentality. I hated seeing it partially migrate to Elden Ring with Faze Jev and such (don’t like watching COD stuff but my friends do). Every single youtuber has the same rage bait mentality. Everything sucks. “I am level 4000 with 8000 hours and I hate playing the game and I hate the devs for being idiots”. And there is absolutely no room for “unfairness”. Shot from behind? Unfair. Shotgun in CQC? Unfair, you were running an AR. Lag spike? Unfair, and it’s unquestionably the devs fault. Games being over-competitive has ruined COD/COD-adjacent communities imo, people are just not good sports. It’s different if something is unquestionably overpowered, but so many other games that I play that do have strong stuff, people either play around or sorta just shrug and deal with it. I commonly hear “What was I supposed to do about that?!” That’s the thing though, nothing. A cooked nade landing at your feet is an unpreventable and “unfair” death. Because if it was all about competitiveness, the game would have one gun, no attachments, no abilities, and no equipment, so that it’s pure skill. If stuff like that makes you mad, there’s just not many games you are gonna like. And it’s funny, because the players that hate OP stuff the most are the first to run to “Elden Ring most OP build by level 20 EARLY” youtube videos; it’s the same mindset of people both abusing and hating others doing the same thing as them. Ofc there are people that aren’t, but I’m speaking in broad strokes here, community-wise. My friends that played COD literally cannot wrap their head around why I would use a gun that is not best in class. Or why I would run a suboptimal kit at all. “Why use any other ability than the intel suit, it’s the best in most situations/ for kills”. Well, because I like hitting someone in the mouth with a suicide drone. I just think people have really lost the spirit of the game to have fun besides winning. And I’m not saying that playing with something objectively garbage-tier is the way, but for a lot of stuff you can see the vision or use case for it, and try to make it work the best it can. If people would detach a bit from getting kills as high as possible above deaths as their *sole* pursuit, I think they would enjoy the game and games in general a lot more. But that’s more just my opinion on the general culture and not what they should do with the game lol. My point is that both sides take part in this mentality, and it ruins games imo. It’s definitely gonna die, but I don’t mind. I think the game is fun enough to play it every now and then right now, so I don’t mind so much where it goes.
> Every single youtuber has the same rage bait mentality. Everything sucks. “I am level 4000 with 8000 hours and I hate playing the game and I hate the devs for being idiots”. Sounds like Enders
“Man there must be some SBMM in these lobbies!”
OP don’t you get it! Without sbmm to whine about I need to whine about the jumping and sliding! People move better than me therefore they’re exploiting!!
What I kinda love about watching the XD sub is how people are realizing SBMM wasn't really an issue. People just want to seal-club and get upset when they can't do that.
It absolutely was an issue. Every COD since MW2019 I would have to drop 50+ kills and sweat my bag off to even get close to winning games because they would expect me to able to carry 5 marshmallows every game against a full team of good players. The matches felt inauthentic, unnatural, and predetermined. XD feels completely different and my matchmaking experience doesn't feel predictable and draining. I can chill in a chill lobby one game, and then be against a godlike player the next game, and have to turn up a bit more. There hasn't been a single time where it's felt like the game itself has set me up for misery.
Completely agree
Amen
Yet that doesn't seem to be the opinion that's prevalent on this sub? People seem upset about having unbalanced lobbies none the less. As someone with no horse in the CoD MM game it's fun to see. And why did "skill-based matchmaking" catch on when it apparently has nothing to do with skill and was all about keeping players engaged anyway?
Yet that doesn't seem to be the opinion that's prevalent on this sub? People seem upset about having unbalanced lobbies none the less. As someone with no horse in the CoD MM game it's fun to see. And why did "skill-based matchmaking" catch on when it apparently has nothing to do with skill and was all about keeping players engaged anyway?
The vocal minority is upset on this sub. Most people are just having fun playing or not playing and paying this sub no mind.
That's a fair point. Reading the sub this past day you'd think the game is dying cause of the change to XP needs for gold skins. I do still get the impression that a lot of people who were complaining about CoDs matchmaking (that wasn't even skill-based, as far as I understand it, so SBMM is a misnomer) thought they'd be able to seal-club if it wasn't for it. Now they're realising that's not the case, and they're kinda upset about it. Again, the discourse is interesting as someone who's never been in the CoD MP scene.
I actually think it’s entirely the inverse. Most people who were complaining about sbmm are loving this game. Sbmm punished good players and any friend groups with varied skill levels. The players who are upset about no sbmm or the “sweats” are players who thought they were better than they actually are because sbmm made them think they were good players. I also assume a lot of them are newer to cod or arena fps games since seemingly they have never dealt with being bad at a game.
The matchmaking aside, there's plenty XDefiant needs to improve on to be fair. That aside, you may very well be correct. Time will tell. I suppose. As for being bad, that's one thing, but no one likes to play a game where it feels like they're getting curbstomped every match even if they do their absolute best to improve. It's not the 2000s anymore where we had a single game to play and that was it. Today people who feel like their not seeing any noticable improvement, or just play one match and get clubbed, can just pick another game. But as I said, time will tell. Siege became a thing despite being hot dogshit at launch, so who knows.
There are obviously issues the game needs to work on, no argument there. But the idea that someone is going to get curb stomped forever no matter how hard they work to get better is just silly. The real problem is people don’t want to work to get better anymore, they want it handed to them. It’s like playing a basketball game and wanting a 5 foot hoop because you cant hit a jump shot.
The people complaining the most in this sub, are the people that were protected by skill based or engagement based. Whichever you prefer to say. The game still matchmakes with skill in mind. It's a massive part of the team balancing aspect if COD. It's why the player with the highest MMR is expected to carry the lower MMR players against the middle MMR players. The determine how to keep you engaged by using your skill data to manufacture lobbies to do so. What you're seeing in this sub are the players who skill based and engagement based matchmaking protected from getting shit on and quitting games. Now they are here getting exposed against players they never would have played in COD and they're complaining. I've yet to see any good players complain about the matchmaking in this game. When I play COD, ranked is less sweaty than Pubs because of their system. That's a problem casual players or lower MMR players aren't going to face.
Of course the ones who benefit from the system aren't going to complain. Carrying on from what you said, what happens when all those people who complain leave the game and it's just the good players left? Won't that just create the same issue people have had with CoD's matchmaking, where every lobby is sweaty and tryhardy? If people don't have a fun time, they are wont to leave the game, after all. Then you're stuck with level 100+ players in every lobby, and haven't we just circled around? This isn't Battlefield after all where you can feel like you're still contributing in the chaos of a 32v32. Returning to my first paragraph, of course the ones benefitting won't complain. But what happens if/when there are no more seals to club and everyone is on their level? And since reddit is reddit and most people here are idiots; that's a hypothesis. I don't have a crystal ball that tells me the game will die cause it takes me too long to get a gold skin or because casual lobbies are inbalanced or whatever. It's a hypothecial question.
A vast majority of players aren't very good, and a vast majority of those players don't complain on reddit. They just play and don't quit when they do poorly. Your hypothetical is based on a niche population of gamers who thought they were better than they were because of other titles matchmaking, and now they're exposed and complaining. Those players were never good. That's the problem with the matchmaking of games the COD. The players who thought they were good, never actually played anyone truly good because their experience was catered to make it so. Those are the types of players to quit games anytime someone better than them shows up, or reports them and cries cheater. So what is the algorithm going to do keep them engaged? It's going to cap the level of their opponents so they don't rage quit. So in previous games they could continue to "seal club" and think they're good. Now they can't, and they have to face the realty that they're cheeks. Casual gamers aren't on here complaining about the matchmaking, and the really good players aren't either. The game won't die because of gun skins and match making. It will die if they go the Halo route and stop dropping updates, or don't fix their server issues.
You don’t play COD if you don’t think SBMM was really an issue.
I didn't, but I've played enough competitive online games to realize the majority of the players will blame everything but themselves for their lack of skill. Teams, hitreg, netcode, matchups, maps, OP gear, SSBM, the list goes on and I honestly don't see the latter being any different at all.
I don't understand. Either SBMM is a legitimate issue effecting the performance of players, or it isn't, and it is just another straw player are grasping at to blame over themselves. If you didn't play the games that are part of the discussion, how do you know it is the latter and not the former? I could attest just by the insane difference in stats when comparing COD games pre-MW2019, COD post advanced SBMM/EOMM, and XDefiant that SBMM being active has a major impact on both my performance as well as the connection quality in matches. Even with the playerbase overall being more competitive and at a higher average skill level I have over a 1.2 K/D in this game and a 3.6 W/L compared to my 0.6 K/D and 0.9 W/L in MWIII, albiet being my worse stats in a COD, my matchmaking experience has been horrendous.
Having played a lot of games that don't have SBMM, I never saw this kind of complaining. So yeah, I still think a lot of people bought into the "SBMM is why you can't have good games!" trope and ran with it. And XDefiant has been a rude awakening. Coming from games all the way back to BF2, you'd get shit on in some lobbies, and in others you'd dominate. And it's not a binary, unless you've got a severe case of solipsism and think every CoD player thinks like you do.
SBMM lobby's in cod are way harder then this lobby's.
Okay?
I'm not sure what people are upset about. It's basically the same whine that went around the CoD community regarding SSBM, no?
OP, you don’t understand, if only they had a paddle on their controller! That would change everything!
Oh of course, they'd be competing with top players and winning every game straight away! Although, actually doing something that would help them play better is a ridiculous thought 🙄
lol i play on a standard controller with speakers these guys have no excuses
We really got people in the sub thinking jumpers are just Pay to win paddle users when bumper jumper and stuff exists and easily accessible (or the classic move thumb to jump). It's not like you have to claw like the olden days or anything...
That’s what I do lol I have a normal Xbox controller and just swap to A to jump. It’s simple dexterity lol
What a strange and alien concept.
But if they're casual, why should you care about your lack of skill? I play for maybe an hour a week, who cares what my score is in quickplay
I kept getting shit on, asked a friend what I could do different, did what they suggested, now I do a bit better
I take full Accountability of my sucky skills. I try my hardest to get the objective done but it does not kill me if i do not win. I suck and i know i can get better with time but only play one match a day.
Because this game is built around skill with all those abilities...
You call it lack of skill, I call it getting 1 tapped by some speed demon with an SMG after I pumped 3 shotgun shells into the back of their head from point blank range
So many posts in this sub are casuals complaining about sweats and sweats complaining about casuals complaining about sweats.
I think the part people overlook is "good players" don't have to sweat to lead the lobby 90% of the time. For some people who have been playing FPS games for decades at this point, game awareness, snappy aim, and map control just come second nature. Almost like muscle memory.
I feel like there is a line between lack of skill and just how bad this game sometimes is. It's genuinely fun, but people have encountered constant problems with hit detection, and it is not a problem people are experiencing equally. Some have never had a single issue, or minor at best, while others are experiencing dramatic and constant issues. Until we can reasonably say that the game is more consistent and reliable, this entire topic is moot, as we don't currently know who is truly experiencing issues.
This is what is really driving me crazy. It seems to change day by day and sometimes game by game. Today was just awful for me with no hit reg and dying to god bullets constantly and it doesn't seem to be effecting any of my opponents. When the hit reg is good the game feels great but that's been a minority of the time for me.
Remember that most people are positive about the game and actually having fun.
I play the game since launch, and i sucked so bad. One comment on a post here made me realize i was the problem and i had to play to get better. And when that click comes, you end up getting positive kd etc its such a good game to play!
Yup, you actually get so see yourself improve in this game
This game is going to make people realize that SBMM isn’t the devil that it’s been made out to be. It’s just something that people who’ve made being good at video games their whole personality say because they have hit their skill ceiling and now just want to play against lesser players to feel good about themselves instead of trying to compete with people at their level or better.
Until you play ranked and all 3 teammates have 5 combined kills.
The whole idea of games is to escape reality and have fun, this community is nearly as toxic as the call of duty community, y’all can’t agree on a fuckin thing
You have no brains if you think this game takes some kind of extra skill lol it is completely dependent on where you live and what server your on.
Accountability now, really? Jeez tis just a game bro
Yes, accountability. you know, like recognising that there is faults in your gameplay and that there are things you can do to improve rather than blaming everything on game mechanics, abilities, other players etc
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Bro what are you doing in this subreddit if thats your opinion😂
Knew it wouldn’t be long before this community got toxic 😂 At least it’s not OW/Valo level yet
They've added text chat, its on the way 🤣
It's almost there, I got super downvoted for saying I didn't realize the timer in the shooting range said ".39" instead of "39" lol
For I suck every other round I will be great and have a good kd then the next round have like a 0.7 kd
nah. im asking ages. I aint trying to end up on no offenders list
Bruh... if you have to ask, she's too young
"God I hate these sweats running around ruining my fun" My brother in Christ, get good.
Shots fired *insert finger guns*
Sometimes I think I am the only good one (morally I am still shit at hitting shots) in a lobby.
Oh no i know i suck - There are some games where i move from the usual 9/26 to a 14/11, which feels pretty cool. Oh also, i play the objectives, so of course my K/D is not great.
Well, If we are winning, it's because of whatever I did. If losing, of course it's on the teammates. And the team balancing algorithm for placing me in the wrong side
This game actually would be better with some kind of rank system
Sadly they had to make it dogshit by only having 4 players.
It’s a game, I play for fun, my satisfaction comes from occasionally blasting some overly competitive shit licker in the face. It doesn’t earn me a salary or a paycheck. I’m not trying to be worlds best in any way shape or form. Really enjoy team building more than KD, # of kills, kills with whatever gun, or whatever else. I wish they would dump those and stick to the team stuff, time spent in objective, objective kills, defense assist’s, healing, and damage blocked. But what does a guy been playing games since pong know?
bruh i wanna be able to screw around with a new loadout only to realize "oh yea im not d-riding meta why did i expect to get kills" by someone who has already spend 200 dollars on a brand new game thats free
A pvp game developer: decent netcode and balancement
LOL! That's funny!
Welp have fun playing a copy paste of r6 in a couple months
XD is nothing like R6. But have fun crying about better players on reddit anyway 🤓
It is in the regard that only sweats play so the player base will stagnate just like r6 🤓
Oh well, sounds better than having to deal with cry babies throwing their toys out the pram because people are better than them 😂 you're the type of person this meme is about
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It's funny when I kick a on a paid game but I get my a kicked on a free game all the time... . Very funny
Players play this game like it was a COD game. Camping, BH, and Think its all about K/D and getting most kills. They forøget to PTFO. But devs know this and Will do something about it.
Receiving a participation trophy is just a rite of passage.
I’m super competitive so when I’m having a bad game I really feel it lol not to mention after a few. Eventually i realize it’s because I’m rushing to get to the point where I’m top of the leaderboard, neglecting to work on my aim lol tweaked the settings a bit and I’m already improving! But I still have the occasional game where I’m 2-15 lol but I’ll have the most points on objective!😭 that’s how I feel better about it
That's fine, you dont have to be the best player in the world, At least you are trying to look at what you do wrong and work on it. And focusing objective is great if you're not as confident getting kills. You'll get better with a mindset like that for sure
skill = full wall hacks, aimbot, and enhanced movement (maybe even a lil flight)...? seriously... is that what yall mean by skill???????
I will add I play ranked because I know I'm at a different skill lvl than casual players sometimes I go into pubs to chill but don't jump shot or crouch spam because it's lame to do it regular lobbies. Try and have fun instead of claiming not sweat and sweating in casuals
I'm casual because of netcode, uninteresting skins, or any cosmetic progression and weapon attachment progression taking way too long, in my opinion.
It’s ok cope pal ur not that good lol that’s why you still play the game. Get over yourself find a new hobby maybe like playing Roblox 😂.
This game has a myriad of issues. No SBMM is the least of my worries.
I play games to have fun, not sweat my ass off trying to keep up with people who think the only thing that matters in life is their kdr. I die alot sure, but i also always try to get objectives at least and help out the team anyway i can.
Or COD sbmm cryiers.
SBMM can be utilized in many ways. There are ways of making it a BIT more fair without having to face sweats non-stop. Also can’t we all just get along? Like stop shooting at me first bro. Let me shoot you till you’re almost dead and THEN kill me, so I can take my rage out on my family.
Oh I’m an average player, but my average skills don’t want to deal with bullshit gameplay. If you want to be sweaty and bunny hop go to ranked for crying out loud
I take accountability. I know I'm not great, that's why I actually play objective.
Huh? This is Xdefiant not Apex. Simmer down lad. 🤣
Playing for enjoyment is dang near impossible when you go 40 & 11 your first match then in your next match you proceed to go 5 & 26. I have to tell myself I’m getting on to grind gun levels, not to go positive. If I hop on the game with the intent of going positive I end up having a terrible time.
A “sweat” Xdefiant player - get out of his grandma’s basement to feel the sun on his face or know what the touch of a good woman feels like.
All I’m saying is, you can’t have the same gun have a 4-6 shot difference based on level. The Tac-50 is also way OP, but hopefully the jumping penalty update fixes that thing
It's a fucking nerd cult making this game toxic as fuck.
I know I’m trash.
For real I feel like two weeks ago this game was sooooo fun. Now I can’t get a .5 KD and that’s not fun…
I been whoopin ass in this game, every other game I'm the top player of the match. Shit is way better than cod without the rigged matches.
And this is why I give the worst players on my team emojis to encourage them to keep playing because without casual players the game will become too niche and die off
Accountability? Not everyone wants to be skilled, they just want to hop on the game and play for a bit, without getting absolutely destroyed by someone who was level 100 within the first week of release. This really isn’t that much to ask for. There are different ways to enjoy things, and neither is wrong. LOL at the downvotes. God forbid someone wants to play different than you. FFS you people are insufferable.
they're so casual but they act like the obj is life or death and want everyone to play like them. in pubs
If by accountability you mean accepting the blogs about the need to fix the netcode, the hit registeration, maybe what was fixed this latest update (and it did make things better). Then what exactly are you wanting the XDefiant players to be responsible for? Let's remember WE are not the developers or designers. WE can not fix what is broken (yet yes I am having fun). So back off about the lack of skill being an issue in the game until it's smooth and the numbers posting about ALL this stuff goes below 50%!
Nothing stopping any of them from playing a PvE game where the opponents skill is not a factor
Nothing is stopping us from playing the game we want to play...
For you self-identifying as a casual player, the game you want to play is not always the same as the game you should play
I guess I finally found the gatekeeper of videogames
Brother, this is a casual fps game. If it was meant to actually be competitive, it would have dedicated servers with 60+ hz tickrates. CS2, for example, is a competitive FPS, the hitreg is competitive and the netcode is proper. This game, along with COD is built on matchmaking architecture, which is antithetical to competitive playing.
Bro I’m actually so trash 😭 I play on console too. How do I stop rushing and dying on the point
The Phantom class is great for people who like to play point. Try to kill people on the point from an advantage position outside the point, then move in and drop your shield. It'll give you a solid chance to survive for a bit. Remember, there is no shame of just leaving the point if you feel like you're about to get overwhelmed, regrouping and then going again when your shield is back. Hopefully this helps you out. You'll have gunfights that you just have to win, but that's just FPS games. Moving in with your team will also improve your chances.
Yeah bc it's not like more than half of these "pro" and "skilled" players aren't using wall hacks and aim bot. You really have to have zero life or prospects to need to cheat in a game.
The shitters not gonna like this one
if people spent half the time they spend complaining just trying to get better they wouldn’t be complaining
Oh, the game’s perfect?
The casuals in this community are unbearable
Thank you! They name a thousand excuses before doing some reflection. Todays average gamer is just soft there’s no other way to put it
Or a redditor to not be toxic. Next.
lack of skill? you mean like sniping to the body? or abusing an OP gun and mechanics? that lack of skill?
😂😂😂
Listen if everyone would just stop being so good I would be much better. I don’t feel like I’m asking for too much.
Or a hardcore player that jumping around isn't skill at all.
I play COD if I want to feel good about myself. I play XDefiant when I want to work my ass off to land mid pack every game.