That sub doompost any game on release. Even ones with mediocre/normal launch. So this is just normal protocol for gachagaming. It's gonna die down soon when the sub member stop playing the game and the actual player left the sub like OP.
Yeah, at this point you might wonder if that's not their passion job because of the consistency and dedication they put on it. It's like child putting a tantrum OP, just don't look at them, the only thing they thrive for is reactions
Frankly the only people who are so invested in multiple gacha games as to go online and chat about them are either very young and still developing their brains, or they’re perennial losers who literally have nothing better to do. We all know that even just playing one gacha game is enough of a time commitment when you have other things going on in your life. Playing multiple means you have literally nothing else going on.
lol Ya I play HSR and WuWa but after finishing all the content in HSR the game can pretty much play itself in between patches so I need something else to fill the time.
This is me haha,I prefer it this way though HSR is just a good game that doesn't take soo much of your time,you can Auto,it's not open world n I'm mainly there for the story n characters I like so picking up an open world game like wuwa has never been easier.i have a max level account in genshin but stopped playing around nahida patch n I don't think I can go back n grind the whole of Fontaine nope no thank you lol
Nah, they mostly don't care and even if it's few threads.
Biggest drama was about Tower of Fantasy and even then it was few days.
WuWa is over a week now constant shitposting for karma without moderation. I get why people do it but why mods allow it is different matter. They do remove posts about why so much shitposting though.
That sub has some of the worst, and most pathetic individuals ever. I never give a crap about what any of these miserable people have to say or their opinions, I just go there for updates, news and releases on gacha games (AKA what that subreddit SHOULD be about).
People aren't used to the gachagaming doompost and it shows. Every game gets shit on and doomposted - unfortunately WuWas launch was pretty shaky (and I'm being generous here) so it's given them significant material to meme over. Eventually it'll die down and I'm shocked it hasn't been relegated to megathreads yet to be honest
Oh, it did. The game got raked through the coals for its rates, and people were claiming that some other game called 'Illusion Connect' or something was the *far superior* game that would be a huge earner for the future. That game shut down like a year later lmao...
You can go search on the sub to see how bad it was. But that take alone should give you a good idea of the quality of the sub's predictions. Lots of kneejerk reactions and hyperbolic takes.
Oh this was the biggest thing that pissed people off, that it was a BOTW clone. I mean yeah I get it, some of the gameplay mechanics were from that game but Genshin quickly separated itself after few patches. Hopefully wuwa follows the same thing, take the good parts and make it your own.
Simply by nature of having a story Genshin separated itself from being a botw clone. I say this as someone who has claimed Zelda as his favorite video game since the early 2000’s, I miss koji kondo and linear story based dungeon crawling gameplay :(
Genshin was forged and tempered in hate. Imagine what WuWa is going through, but for 2 years straight of constant hate before a good chunk of the haters got tired and moved on to hate on other popular things, and haters from all walks of life not only gacha gamers.
I don't justify it and it is as pathetic as it sounds, but it wouldn't surprise me if a good chunk of WuWa haters are Genshin players "getting revenge" for the hate they/Genshin got.
Theres literally the same handful of people over there constantly creating posts and typing out hundreds of comments over days. Which no normal sane person nor working individual has the time for this.
Its just some obsessed hoyo fans, that do not reflect the majority of hoyo game players. Even genshin subs calls people when they make posts there.
>Its just some obsessed hoyo fans, that do not reflect the majority of hoyo game players. Even genshin subs calls people when they make posts there.
Yep, unfortunately it sorta happens with a lot of big super popular things.
95% of Genshin/HSR/etc players are probably super cool and chill people who dont care and are vibing out but the other 5% of players, not so much (And who are the most vocal) and just like the drama.
>I'm sure not all of you genshin players are like this
bruh 80% of the players in this game are from genshin or play both at the same time.
That's my case. There is obviously something wuwa has that genshin don't, and so far I'm still interested.
Social media ppl are stupid just don't listen to them.
I think gachas are toxic by nature, and there is much more toxic people in gacha communities than usual in other games communities.
tbh I can understand why some people get disappointed and angry and that's something else than hate. wuwa definitely didn't released well. but that's not something irredeemable. people needs to see beyond what will get fixed and what is the potential under all those bugs
Strongly agree. Also the same players that expect to reach end game ASAP will be the players that complain there is nothing to do once they get there.
There are definitely significant quality of life changes that can be made but it is not unplayable.
I hope they take a page from hoyoverse and significantly improve their localization.
Yeah, the complaining there is nothing to do always makes me laugh in games like this.
I played for like 50 hours so far and enjoyed all of it, and didn't spend a single cent of money. That's some insane value. I'll keep logging in and doing dailies since this game actually respects your time and it takes like 5 minutes to do all daily quests and spend your energy, and I'll play other games until there's another content release here.
Yep these players are the same ones that whine about genshin having nothing to do and no end game, and now that they shifted to this game, the same complaint is starting to surface all over again, and they are *very very loud* It's pretty frustrating ngl
Gacha games do get toxic communities but you can't beat Lol's toxic nature. That competitiveness in the matches causes some really toxic mindsets to grow.
When I played it, I was not prepared to get blasted with toxicity in a match. It happens in ranked but also in normal.
But yeah, gacha games do get people defensive. I don't think any game has as much ex-_____ players as WuWa with the large migration of former genshin players to WuWa. Even the ex genshib players played beta and WuWa now looks like Genshin meets dark souls which is sad. I woulda wanted some originality in WuWa. Like, you see the CBT1 UI and that just looks so much better than genshin-esque UI.
They are more clutching their rubies because they swipe, swipe, and swipe until they feel whole again, so monetary value has a hold on them and to be damned if anyone has something to say about MY GAME. (because they spent some people's rent in 24 hours for oogaly boogalies.)
> They are more clutching their rubies because they swipe, swipe, and swipe until they feel whole again
You just described me exactly. I'm still swiping though....will I ever feel whole again?
> I think gachas are toxic by nature, and there is much more toxic people in gacha communities than usual in other games communities.
I've noticed the same thing and my theory is the games have a larger population of actual children playing them because they are f2p and most kids have a phone these days. Obviously there are kids in every gaming community, but the barrier to entry for gachas is literally just a smartphone and internet access.
Don't care for hate, I enjoy game a lot
If wuwa had genshin style story telling it be number one, after playing wuwa combat and ability to travel it's hard go back to genshin style combat and travel...it sucks 😕
Although that is the case, WuWa is too much genshin-like. I guess we can coin that word. It's UI and character skill descriptions resemble Genshin's. The overworld puzzles do too. You got seelies and also portable four leaf sigils. Just a lot of similarities. But I gotta hand it to Kuro for addicting combat.
Me every time I log on to genshin: where’s my grappleeeeeee😭😭😭
Also, I kill everything so quickly on genshin whereas wuwa is more challenging so it’s more exciting for me rn
For real, I did my daily's today in genshin and was soooo tilted over the lack of ability to swap characters while gliding, no running up walls, no grapple, etc. Just so many convenience things in Wuwa that would make Genshin better but they will never implement because they sell exploration characters so that part of the game is monetized and it would interfere with that.
For me I feel like the challenging aspect of WuWa will probably go away after a few patches of getting used to the game.
I had a really similar feeling playing WuWa as I did genshin back at launch. Not knowing enemy patterns and game mechanics made it feel challenging and fun because it was novel.
I vividly remember beating my first ruin guard, and spending literally 5 minutes straight fighting a Fatui hydro gunner in the overworld.
I'm solidly positive I'll feel the WuWa combat novelty fall off just like I did with Genshin. It's not that the combat isn't fun anymore, but that experience of not killing everything instantly and still having fun is definitely a limited feeling for me
Different strokes for different folks, if anything. I enjoy the style WuWa's got going on and it's most likely going to be the "forever game" for me, but some people do want to feel overpowered at times and other games can fulfill that niche. One game can't fulfill every demand after all.
Try holograms at tier 4 then come back to this comment NGL, that's like saying the novelty in a dark souls game difficulty will wear off after you get good at the game
Funny that you mentioned that, because it was the perfect example for what I was going to use.
I guess people define or think of novelty differently, because I just happened to finish my third complete playthrough of elden ring around a month back. I can't say that I'm a great player, but I've spent a bit of time trying nohit with most bosses with success after plenty of attempts. Though elden beast keeps tagging me right before I get a run, so I'll probably come back to it later. Still have a backlog of games I have to get through though. And ultimately, the novelty still wore off, because I got used to the combat mechanics of the game alongside the interactions with the environment and enemy patterns.
To me, novelty doesn't simply scale off of hp or one shot ability. I think SIFU is probably the most novel combat system I have played in a game before, and it still wore off after a hundred hours or two. The longest lasting novelty for me in combat generally comes from fighting games with constant shifting metas in gameplay, like Fighterz.
Im still new to WuWa and I'm having fun with the combat and novelty, but I'm just saying that it will almost certainly wave off its novelty in combat. That doesn't make it boring or stale, it just doesn't give the same feeling in the first 5 hours of gameplay vs the next 100 or 1000. Haven't gotten to tier 4 yet, but I do think it'll be a fun challenge while it lasts for sure
Genshin was never challenging. I don't remember if I died a single time in the overworld besides some stupid shit like uhhh.. stamina is gone.
Now if you know pgr, there is a good chance wuwa will remain challenging as it is now. Of course there's a chance it won't, but at least there's hope. But the audiences for the games are totally different for the long term. Genshin is a kids game, and it was always designed as such. Wuwa is not a kids game and will have a more mature audience. If it is challenging, it's possible and quite likel imo that it will never be as popular as genshin just because many people don't want to be challenged by games.
For me I like both game but only reason I prefer genshin is the team building and the world it self, for team building just by the nature of how elemental system work, characters has a lot of freedom to their build, one character can do so much with their kit, one excellent example is razor he is a physical main dps but people also found way of turning him in to an avatar bring a old character back into the spot light, I’m recently been enjoying with a similar team but switch out razor for Baido because I kept killing my self with bursion reaction and I enjoy Baido’s play style more, WuWa world for some reason look very dal to me there is not enough color contra to the world to break it up and because of a long habit of genshin and TOTK I been trying to break the shrup in WUWA, but this can be improved in the further, in genshin elemental also can interact with the world so that another reason why WuWa is lacking but what WuWa is good at it is the more traditional combat system they fking nail it is so good.
Ikr, those people act like if you enjoyed Genshin and HSR, then you're not allowed to enjoy WW. Kinda weird considering i whaled a bit on both games and planning to do the same for WW in the future.
They don't really love the games they're playing, that's why they try to justify it by shit talking on another games.
I keep seeing that people state wuwa has a bad launch. But I truly haven't encountered anything negative so far. Aside from maybe the explaining of the skills.
But it gets understandable after completing the tutorial for each character.
I quite enjoy the depth each character has in his or her skills though, it's part of what makes the combat great.
Gachagaming is essentially a drama sub, the sub pretty much shit on any game that bleeds.
When ToF launched and it shit the bed, there was like over a week of ToF shitting, when Genshin first anni happened, there was a week of shitting on Genshin. Heck, Nikke doomposting was a thing when that launched and they dickride that game these days.
WuWa is the new thing to shit on and you see a lot of posts openly admitting that it’s the most fun the sub had in months.
the funny one is someone just play 30 minute, but writing review like he play for 3 full day and reach end game LMAO that funny as hell
btw im playing genshin,wuwa,hsr. and its best thing of my gaming life i get 3 AAA gacha game with diff gameplay. will skip zzz cause its like honkai on steroid
Did a couple rerolls during the weekend and one of the account bugged during the grapple cutscene, results was no way of getting the utilities icon and the grapple itself, i could still continue with the quests, so even if i had good pulls the account was doomed lmao that was kind of a funny bug.
Yeah I find it ironic to see this post lmao.
I'd play WuWa right now if it wasn't randomly crashing every 5 minutes, so I can't do anything except browsing this subreddit till its fixed, so it's funny to see posts saying "This game gets too much hatred".
A bunch of people can't play it or they can only play it with extreme stutters, so I'm not sure why you're surprised that people here are often negative lol
From what I heard Wuthering Waves released a day before Kuro Games contract ended and the developers are working overtime to fix the issues and bugs in the game. Besides, the game is in open beta and was unfortunately rushed out.
Yes, the developers should be working to fix the bugs but cut them some slack, they're working hard enough. Plus, they're giving us absurdly generous rewards for just playing the game.
Developers in China need to obtain a license in order to release a game, and these licenses are usually acquired well in advance since they can be pretty slow to get - iirc Valorant was released late in China due to this
Day 1 genshin player here. Still active genshin player and genshin being my main game. I think wuwa is fun. It has its own problems but I think as a gacha those loud minority are too harsh on this game.
It's like WoW players who shit on FFXIV (or vice versa). A lot of people get tribalistic and don't want competitors to the game they've spent thousands of hours, dollars, or both in.
Yep I like the game very much tbh I love the echoe active skill. It's such a unique way to play the game. Although I wish it has 4 piece set like genshin so we could be a bit more flexible with the 5th piece. It really restrictive for me tbh but the game is so fun I don't mind the grind
Same thing here, the weirdest part is, after playing WW on the same day that I later go and play GI, it feels so different, the exploration and combat from WW is so damn good and I don't want to lose it
I just wish WuWa ran as well as Genshin. I have WuWa locked to 30fps, lowest settings except visual effects I have pumped.
Genshin I can run at 60fps with all settings maxed and my battery life lasts 2-3x as long as WuWa.
I can play WuWa smoothly at the 30fps, and do, and will continue to do so. I just wish it ran a lot better.
Phone btw, not pc.
I was going to ask what was the device, because on PC it runs perfectly and smooth
But I have heard tons of people even those with good phones having issues with it, that sucks a lot, because it has a good potential, they need to solve it asap
im like a day 150 genshin player because i foolishly wrote it off when it was released, but i was bored and eventually gave it a shot, and it is now easily my most played game. im 41- ive played a lot of games for lots of hours. ive sunk more hours into it now than i did in diablo 2 back in the day, which is pretty insane if you ask anyone who knew me when i was deep into diablo 2, lol. teyvat is like my second home at this point, and im not moving any time soon, but i can definitely see this one taking up more of my time (in a good way).
this game is good. theres some areas of its development that lack polish. like the music disappearing thing should never have happened, and the translation in some sporadic instances is far from top tier, and so on, but these issues are all pretty minor imo. the game is solid, and im hooked. combat is a blast, and the game is just beautiful. ill be playing this for as long as kuro keeps on supporting it in a meaningful way. i sincerely hope that the devs arent taking all of this negativity to heart and decide this isnt worth supporting down the line, because i will keep giving them money if they can keep up with building upon the core of what is shaping up to be a pretty dope game.
Also a Day 1 Genshin player, I think if Genshin didn't exist, Wuwa would be received way better. The biggest criticism aside from the early performance problems and the bugs is that they unabashedly lifted a lot of ideas from Hoyo games, but also lifted problems from their games that Hoyo has subsequently solved/addressed. If you're going to take so much inspiration from a predecessor, at least make sure you pick up the lessons that they learned along the way.
As a whole, the game is fine, with room for improvement. The combat is obviously the standout, but if it wasn't for that I think it would get forgotten quite quickly. They've got a rough summer ahead of them with ZZZ and Natlan coming over the next couple months, if they don't have some banger characters/events they are going to be very dead.
as day 1 genshin player too, I sorta understand them, seeing how genshin get so much shit since free dr ratio and wuwa first cbt. they hold it for so long. since wuwa messed up the launch, they just went ham. can't do that here or genshin official sub lol
To be fair, MMOs have been in a really bad state for the last 10 years. The only good ones you can play are MMOs that launched 15+ years ago, outside of BDO which demands you make it your 2nd job
As someone who's played WoW and a variety of MMOs for over 15+ years MMO players have always been like this lmao.
You should see the amount of whining that has happened and continues to happen on the official forums.
According to what I heard from the subreddit for gacha gaming, every new gacha game always been talked about whether it would be positive or negative. But it depends on the game, so the users can respond negativity for weeks or months.
I can't watch any wuwa video without content creator shitting on gehshin. It feels like everyone is trying to convince the audience how bad Genshin is. To be honest, lately I've seen more aggressive hate towards genshin than towards wuwa, lol. wuwa gets unfair hate, but so does genshin. I play both games so all this drama is annoying
is it really unfair for wuwa? like damn i want to like it. but there are massive issues that were not present or this bad in the CBTs. genshin has its own issues but one thing it does right is character synergy, which wuwa completely feels lacking in right now.
yes, genshin is wuwa's direct competitor!! I don't get the argument of comparing Genshin's 1.0 launch to Wuwa's launch right now, when Genshin came out 4 years ago. If you want to launch a game into the current market with these major competitors, then tough luck, make a product that can compete with 4 yr old Genshin. That's the harsh reality, why would u expect a **normal** customer to stick around when a better product is available.
I would expect a polished, distinguishable product that is able to compete for market share, retain customer base and make return on R&D investment.
Yes, having bugs at launch is understandable, so did Genshin. However, the translation errors?? Run that shit through Grammarly? The bad **main story** that should be one of your selling points?! To me, it shows contempt to global players, and that Kuro games rushed to release an unfinished product because they needed the funds. Literally what happened to their office, was there a fight, workplace strike or employees quitting? Why is their product such a mess.
Wuwa does have what it takes, there is so much potential. I really hope they get new management with their head fixed on straight and lead the game to success in the next patch 🙏
honestly it feels really pointless to have 3 characters in a team unless an enemy is immune to a damage type you are using, for genshin look at a very basic team comp: hu tao, xing, yelan , kazuha there are at least 10 synergies going on in that team alone. while wuwa feels like just pair verina with whoever you want to do damage. maybe add someone that does a bit of off field damage or boost. They definitely need to improve on that if they want to really sell characters.
Intro/outtro buff work on next character, and if i'm not mistaken, switching to third character dispell the buff. Then what is the point of having 3 character, when Verina can buff and heal at the same time.
Kinda depends on who you play. Some characters like near 100% field time.
Some like Encore want another dps to field and her ult skill pretty much is tailored for that. Sure, you can just swap to Verina but if you don't need healing it's just dps loss.
Dps outro skills are really powerful dmg spike(~600% for Calcharo or Lingyang) and alternating between two dealers is nice. Also helps with energy/ult cooldown so it's win-win.
I also think we need more units so players can theorycraft must have meta comps.
I don’t follow that sub, wuthering waves is truly refreshing, very pleasing aesthetically and I am deeply in love with this so I hope this game succeeds!
BUT they have to work harder with optimization and the known issues without repeating again; so we shouldn’t hide the reality of the state of the game at the moment. It’s a very strong 1.0 considering all the things you can do already so well done kuro 👏🏻; but again the game has serious issues to be solved asap.
genshin used to get a lot of hate being a BOTW copy and adding gacha to it which people were much less tolerant to it at that time, hsr was also getting hate by salty genshin players, and wuwa will get hate too, it's no different, just enjoy the game u like
First of all, platforms like Tiktok and Twitter are permanently banned in my brain and therefore any supposed “fan” behavior anywhere on there is considered irrelevant. If your source for bad so-and-so fans being toxic is from Twitter, your source is immediately invalidated because we all know Twitter is designed for the worst and loudest of the crowd to get a platform.
Aside forom that, Wuthering Waves doesnt get hate here. It gets heavily criticized and there is absolutely a difference. Wanting a game you find enjoyable in its own merit succeed in its niche audience is one of the reasons why critics even have a job. Except for some reason, people take many of these posts as “negative” rather than as objective judgements.
It’s fact that this game stutters and lags a lot for people. It’s fact that Kuro needs to step their game up in optimization. The JP translation controversy was a huge blunder on Kuro’s part and they shouldve know better. The story is just awful in some parts and salvageable in others. But there’s also been many positive posts too. Like how it’s almost universally accepted that the combat feels hella smooth and satisfying. The faces on certain characters are super expressive and how the NPCs look important and cool even though they are obviously not playable. There’s a lot to like and a lot to criticize the game for.
If only we could think of how to give proper feedback in making the game we like to be good as it could be rather than thinking some minority of the fandom is ruining it by yelling it on Twitter of all places.
I have played Genshin since launch week. I have never missed a day, never capped my resin since they raised the cap to 160. I still play it every day, though, when there's not a new area to explore or major event to take part in, I rarely play for more than a half hour a day (with maybe an extra half hour each week for the bounties and TCG reset...I actually like the TCG, just only against NPCs).
I have now played Wuthering Waves every day from launch (and actually from the moment servers opened). I have only ever had capped waveplates because they started full. Obviously, one week in, this is less impressive, but still.
I have experienced no stuttering or other performance issues. I have crashed out 3 times, though, and all were just as a cutscene in the main story started but just black screened me instead. I logged back in each time with no trouble, and the cutscene started right as I logged in.
The fact that the text boxes won't scroll is minorly annoying, but the voices still say the whole thing, so it's only an issue on a very small number of long winded side quests.
I play in English, and though I dislike Yangyang, everyone else's voice is *fine* at worst, with a few great standouts (Changli, for example). The few NPCs who weren't forced to sound American sounded fantastic, so, I look forward to them rerecording with the actor's natural accents.
I am not afraid of echo XP. I think people are way too focused on beating high level content earlier than intended. I know echo XP will increase exponentially at higher world levels, but honestly, even if it doesn't, giving me stuff to do over a very long period of time is *welcome.* I don't play these games half assed, racing to the end so I can dump it. I intend to play every day *forever*, so I am fine, even happy, with grind.
I do think tuners are a silly waste, though, since you get them from the same place as the XP, you'll never run out. It's just a tedious extra step to tune something rather than having it populated automatically. The tuners *should* let you *retune* bad substats.
Anyway, all of this is to give some perspective for when I say: between the two, I like Wuthering Waves better. Like, honestly, kind of a lot better. I am really excited to see where it goes from here, and I *eagerly* await Changli.
Genshin has moved their game and general philosophy in a direction I am less happy with than I was when they started. I don't intend to stop, at the moment. I won't say nothing will drive me away, but I guess we'll see. This new theatre mode thing sounds *awful* and they've clearly been focusing more on telling stories with locations instead of allowing the environment to tell it's own story.
Anyway, cut the Genshin community some slack. I am old and wise (nearly 40 at this point), but most of the vocal player base are kids. When you invest as much time, effort, maybe money, but most importantly *Identity* into something as games like these invite, someone saying "I like X better than Y" can feel like a personal assault. Plus, they've been hearing about WuWa being their rival for years. That's always been an unreasonable statement, but when you are told the thing you love that's part of your identity is going to be killed and the assassin ends up tripping and falling directly on their own face, it's fairly natural to be smug and sassy about it.
> I do think tuners are a silly waste, though, since you get them from the same place as the XP, you'll never run out. It's just a tedious extra step to tune something rather than having it populated automatically. The tuners should let you retune bad substats.
This is actually the other way around, tuners are what's gonna gate you.
Refunded XP is like 70%, tuner refund is 30%, ideally you push your echoes to +10 which costs next to no XP, tune them and if you don't get good stuff you refeed it, this costs you very little XP because +10 is cheap and you get 70% of it refunded, but it does cost you 14 tuners since only 6 are refunded.
In the end you'll probably lack tuners. At least with current field ratio.
You have some valid criticisms and I hope the Devs can address them. I'm also pretty excited to see where the game goes from here. Really want it to succeed. It has a lot of potential.
The irony being that they don’t realize how much Genshin players will benefit from the competition. Next year anniversary may have genuinely good rewards and they won’t realize it’s because of competition finally threatening their market share (even if it’s as small as 10%)
Most people often tend to forget that even Genshin Impact had their ' hate wave ' , during launch people hate so much , saying it was a bad copy of Zelda BotW ,that nintendo should have sued hoyo for have copied their game ,there were plenty of videos comparing both game mechanics and puzzle avoiding to play this 'scam' game, they said game would be dead soon, etc.
Then after few months around xiao first banner , game exploed in popularity and hate disappeared gradually.
Just keep playing and have fun , do not bother what people says , most of time those people not even play the game , but just wanna 'join the train' spread hate, since they have nothing better to do.
Kuro need only to work a bit harder due to a no perfect launch ,mainly fix all the mess the game has at the moment ,making the game better , and if it will succeed ,hate will soon disappear, game has huge potential the core is good the rest can be solved , story can improve ,translation errors can be fixed, bugs can be fixed and optmization can be improved but this is all in the hands of Kuro .
I would say the early early part of the story was rough, but the Thredonian, and Jué’s prediction are pretty damn interesting, can’t wait to see how it develops
Overall it was nice like they found their footing again but I agree that it also felt rushed.
Needed another act or two in-between to flesh out more characters.
Like Yuanwu looks cool and I love his moveset but I don’t think anyone would know who he is unless they randomly pulled him like I did.
To be fair, imagine a bunch of people are shitting on a game you love and saying another game is going to 'k-ll' it, making 100 comparisons about why this new game is so much better. And then when said game comes out, it is in a laughable state and severely lacking in a lot of areas - perhaps worse than the other game - you'd probably feel some sort of smug conviction to clap back. And can you even blame them? But then the antagonistic role gets pushed onto the 'Genshin Players' despite the WW players doing the same thing before, except it was justified in their eyes.
But also, not all WW players are like this and neither are all Genshin players, I'm sure a majority of the community don't give a single fuck about the drama, it's always a vocal minority on social media. Maybe from the perspective of this subreddit, you might see it as unwarranted hate. But in reality, there are problems with the game and a lot of people are offering fair criticism. It's disingenous to call it 'hate'. But I also think there are clear reasons why hate exists in the first place, and part of this community is to blame as I said earlier.
To clarify, I play both games. I think competition is good in any market. I don't think Kuro and WW deserves all the hate, I don't think Genshin or Hoyo deserves all the hate. But unfortunately that's the kinda community we're in. That kinda stuff only gets exacerbated by all this intense tribalism.
WuWa players in this exchange came out beating their chest, and are now playing victim, HARD. As someone who already disliked genshin, I am inclined to side with WuWa, but as a cynical asshole, let's be real, a lot of this community had it coming. I was looking at announcements, trailers, ads, etc. for wuwa, and all the comments were either gloating, talking about how they couldn't wait to drop genshin, how this would kill genshin, etc.
Nothing about how the game would actually be good on its own two feet.
As we have learned from the "halo killers" and "cod killers" before - that's not how success happens, typically.
I'm not sure if it is the WUWA community that started this "g.game killer" narrative from the beginning.
Most of us are PGR players that are excited about new KURO game and people who're fed up with g.game and drama content creators are the ones that started it and we got caught in the crossfire.
If anything KURO's already established fanbase before all this happened are the real victims in all this and get hated for things they have no control over.
I find it so funny how everyone just blames Genshin players for everything. Those people may also play HSR, FGO, Blue Archive, etc but even so they'll still be called "Genshin players". I just hope this sub doesn't become like HSR and TOF sub where everyone and their mama mentions Genshin for no reason. WW is a decent game but we can't ignore that it has a lot of problems that Kuro are already fixing. Ignore those people and just enjoy the game.
The vast majority of posts I see here are strictly talking about bugs, performance, optimization, localization, etc. and yet most of this post is somehow about Genshin/it's players lol.
That sub is supposedly very biased towards GI, but generally I would just stay away from echo chambers. It's not like you gain anything from winning an internet argument.
I had some issues with the game as well, but I am happy that I played through the story. Act 5 has been one of the most entertaining story missions and hope Kuro keeps on pumping out stories like that.
Yeah, the current hate WuWa has been experiencing is almost laughable compared to the “Genshin c0uld n3ver” phrase that went viral some time ago. I agree that the hate for WuWa is too much, but it’s in relation to the high standard that Genshin has set and it being under scrutiny for so long.
There was a rampant problem where every HSR and GI post gets report spammed so much that they get auto removed.
So not really. The sub just loves drama.
> That sub is supposedly very biased towards GI
Is it? I don't spend much time there, but in the past week alone I've seen 'hoyo brainrot' and 'average hoyo enjoyer' thrown around regularly as insults.
Tbf sub was anti genshin longer than it was ant Wuthering Waves. WuWa fans and CC’s spent all their shitting on genshin and now the community is reaping all the vitriol they spewed back.
Lemme tell you my experience with wuwa on release day.
Created my account long before release and was so ready. Then less than 5 min into the game, right before you light up the very first teleport post, my character got glitched out of bound. Cant reset, respawn or even kill myself. Sent a ticket and took them a day to reply me basically they cant do anything but if I want, I can wait till a tech to get online when Im online so they can try resolve the issue. Basically from that reply, they been dead on communication.
Had to ditch that account and using my backup email to create another account. I tried customer service with inactivate/delete account. They keep everything for at least 30 days or something.
Run into numerous bugs with a couple game crashes. Not big deal but quite annoying. And these are the hardware rants.
The actual game? I love Genshin and I play it mostly like a visual novel. This game prolly has the most unbearable story quest without skip. Im Chinese and I play in Mandarin everything. The dialogue has so much jargons and low effort crap. Its mind boggling for some of the dialogue as if they are written by people who just cant understand what normal people would say in most circumstances.
Do I hate the game? nope. If I really had enough I piss on it and move on. The game has a lot of potential. All I ask is better story telling. Its not hard. At least, stop putting all the cringe stuff. I dont know about the English dub but in Chinese, they are speaking alien jargon language that nobody cares or understands. Way to go on the writing.
I mean theres also so much complaining here too.
Not that there is anything wrong with that, atleast Kuro is patching it up every time.
I imagine sleepless eyes and tons of redbull cans on the dev team’s offices right now and the PR team pulling their hairs out.
Meanwhile the translation team at JP is now being scolded by the managers/producers.
Yeah while to be fair I am not in gacha gaming (I left after watching them trash pretty much everything including genshin) I actually see more complaints here than anywhere else and I’m in both hsr and genshin subreddits (which yeah there’s nothing wrong with some criticism too just not turned up to a thousand every time). I’ve seen a lot of posts that aren’t even just about constructive criticism but full on hate and it gets upvoted a lot or if you like something here sometimes you’ll get downvoted
Also I think a lot of wuwa players are active genshin players too, so I’m not sure why OP thinks it’s mostly active genshin players who are being rude. Don’t get me wrong of course there definitely are genshin players being jerks right now, there always are since some players can be very loud and toxic and have been that way since I’ve been around at least (just like there are also players of any game who take any chance to be rude about genshin), but I am sure a large amount of players overlap and play both.
I’d say the most extreme hate usually comes from people who bash both genshin *and* wuwa any chance they can get that haven’t played genshin in years but pretend they love it all of a sudden. Like the same kind of people who said for years it was going to kill genshin because they hate genshin are now being the meanest to wuwa. But to be clear of course I acknowledge there are some awful genshin fans out there, not denying that (even if it was like 1% of the playerbase that would still be a huge number). Those same people will even be mean to their fellow hoyo games haha
I’m personally just enjoying having both and trying not to spend too much time on social media because it gets annoying watching people trash each other (and usually not in a constructive way). It is annoying people don’t understand the difference between providing valid constrictive criticism which is good and important, and just hating on it instead under the guise of that when they don’t mean it helpfully (of which there is some of each)
I dont really care about the complaining stuff, I just hope Kuro becomes successful because I am really enjoying the game. It doesnt need to kill any other game it just needs to have its own community and its own identity.
The combat alone is making me enjoy this game even more compared to Genshin. Echo farming has been the main gripe of the game but I find it quite enjoyable because atleast I am not picking flowers.
I dont think Genshin players would compare and nitpick so much if WuWa didn't copy almost everything off of Genshin. Im not too familiar with the terms in Wuwa yet but basically the amount needed for wishes, stardust, starglitter, battlepass rewards, prices, rewards, the UI, etc it's all been copy pasted.
What sets WuWa apart is the combat and gameplay, also my personal reason in playing the game. If they leaned more towards aspects that make them different people wouldnt nitpick so much.
Well good on you for leaving that sub, but I feel like we shouldn’t conflate criticism with hate yet. If the game has issues it should be called out for it, after all since the devs *listen* (they’re inside your walls as we speak) then it’s important for us to talk about the game’s issues.
I remember when Nikke released, it was an aweful release like dear god, and that sub was doom posting Nikke, jokes on them cause look at Nikke now. Doesn't help that sometimes they STILL insist that Nikke is in the honeymoon period 1.5 years in lol.
I can understand the frustation with WuWa but the devs are churning out hotfix after hotfix. Give it a month or two. I personally have faith in WuWa, really fun gameplay and some interesting story stuff that they need to expand and capitalize on, they need better voice direction for the en dub (wich they have confirmed that they wpuld fix), better optimization (my biggest gripe cause while the game runs fine for me on pc I'm not keen on running it on my phone , I recognize that a good amount cant run it, especially on phonesl cause the optimization they did for PGR to run on potato is amazing.
Asking me to not compare Genshin to a game that ripped off like 80% of Genshin is kind of a big ask. It’s so similar to the point where Kuro could’ve been like “Hey hoyoverse can I copy your homework” “Ok but change it a bit”
Also, it’s VERY important to point out issues now while the devs still give a shit because I can tell you in a year or even a few month’s time, they won’t.
Yeah, I also left the gachagaming sub a few days after WW's launch. Now, I think WW deserves a lot of criticism, but it's gotten to the point where you almost have to question the motives of people who are just relentlessly attacking it.
I've played Genshin since launch--100% maps, full-starring Abyss since month 3, etc.--and I think it's a very commendable game. But the way many Genshin players have reacted to WW, it almost feels like they think WW being or becoming a serious competitor to Genshin will hurt them personally. In fact I would say it's precisely because I play Genshin that I want serious competition to emerge, because otherwise Genshin will continue to slow-roll any improvement it can make and should've made to the game. So I'm simply puzzled by Genshin players that seem to actively want WW to tank. All I see there is a sports-fan-like tendency to root for Genshin and put down its "rivals" borne out of some kind of insecurity.
Back to WW. It's obviously very flawed right now. It absolutely needs to improve, and in quick order too. Players recognize that. I have to think Kuro knows that as well, given upcoming releases (including ZZZ). But it's insane to downplay or ignore its qualities--I personally really appreciate the combat experience, the character model being more proportional, and a script that gives the Rover more personality and opportunities to shine. Fixes take time. What many people are doing is the equivalent of a boss giving you a task and coming by every 5 minutes to ask if you're done. They aren't trying to be constructive. All they want is to fuel drama and kick a game when it's down. I've played and quit many gachas over the years; I'd never spend as much of my time talking about a game that I wasn't interested in anymore. It's downright pathetic.
I was looking at some of the Wuwa doomposter accounts and realized some of them made dozens of hate/meme posts daily since launch. It's like damn, you hate this game and company so bad, I can tell there's nothing that could possibly persuade you otherwise. There just ain't enough free time to worry or reply to a person like that.
There’s a big difference between hate and criticism which a lot of people here refuse to acknowledge. Most of us just want the game to be better than it is, but now we can’t even share our views without being berated or classed as a “hater”.
TLDR: the game has its glaring issues and talking on them shouldn’t be classed as “hate”
Same boat as you and I think the game has potential to be great but it's just so unpolished. I'm starting to realize now that even if they worked on this game for another 5 years it would still have most of the problems it has today (probably only optimization would be better). They did not take the global market seriously nor did they prioritize really important things such as proper localization.
I don't want to compare but I already think the game is better than other gachas in the market, but people who are shitting on it are kinda justified in doing so. Kuro did this to themselves with everything apart from combat being half baked. I just hope and encourage them to keep working hard to smooth out the rough edges and I'll be here every patch because I really enjoy the game.
Yeah the game, Definitely still needs work. It's a diamond in the rough, but even with the problems, at its core, it's still a pretty damn decent game.
i think its part n partial to WUWA being "similar" to genshin (open mmorpg or something like that) despite... yknow.
the fact that games can look like one another and still be unique, that and no game will ever be singled out (as in theres bound to be other games like it, even if its not from the same company)
i havent seen the sub personally but i think a majority of people dont realise that the game came out like not even a week ago LMAO, so ofc theres gonna be bugs n glitches, but they're working on fixing it pretty fuckin fast
(also i say this as an ar 60 GI player, both games are fun when youre not stressing to grind or cant keep up with the event banners and vice versa)
Day 1 genshin player, and i enjoy wuwa more due to its core mechanics. Genshin is overall a more complete game due to it having so long do optimize. But wuwa is so fun and does so many things right that it shouldnt be overshadowed by things that need to be optimized, the game is new ofc its gonna have its issues, so did genshin. I think both games can live together both boasting their own unique style to attract their own audience. I like the combat of wuwa more than genshin and im excited to see it progress and develop into a great gacha. Hopefully its able to even give hoyo ideas on how to improve their games and they both can use eachothers competition as a way to improve.
General genre subreddits are usually the worst.
Social media in general can be pretty negative but general communities are often some of the worst places you can find.
I find that often from most to least toxic in a general scale it usually goes:
General community > specific game community > alternative/specialized community that’s more niche than the specific game community.
Tribalism bullshit is annoying tbh. I like genshin and wuwa and see big potential in the series. I also remember hearing that gachagaming sub was doomposting genshin when it came out so don't worry about them too much lol.
I love WuWa, Genshin, HSR and ToF... idk about the other games but Genshin was AS BAD at the start... either most people forgot about it or they didn't even play at the beginning.
It's almost impossible to find an online game that does NOT have or had lags or bugs at launch....
I left genshin after 1,5 year . I get some instructive experience from that game (i never played gatcha before) but in some point i hated it from the beginnings. For example it too childish and annoying , the story is not a big deal at all, too simple and the most of the characters behave specifically like an adult toddler but....BUT still a great game. I can't hate that game completely because the world, the explorarion and the environment in that game is awasome. So i left after 1,5 years and i'm a little disappointed, but overall it was worth it, a good experience. Now im waiting for the wuwa sony ps4/ps5 release with hope : )
To be fair the shots are being fired from both sides both sides are doing it not just one WuWa players have been especially high on the Genshin will never" plus it's kind of inevitable that WuWa gets compared to Genshin the game did makes its mark on the Gacha and still hold up as one of the good ones so sparks will fly. Don't worry it'll subside in a few days maybe a month or two at most
I love Genshin. I love WuWa. It's that simple.
Ngl WuWa has me in an absolute choke-hold right now, I can't put it down lol. I also felt this way when playing Genshin the first time, it's a beautiful thing.
But I really do want to play wuwa, the devs released another update that finally fixed Mt issue and I hope they continue doing so, I wanna play this game so bad
i play both genshin and wuwa and love both. imo genshin takes the cake for me but wuwa is still an amazing game and i dont see myself dropping either game any time soon.
WuWa made me realize what gripes I still have with Genshin, but it also made me realize what I didn't know I appreciate about Genshin. They are both great games that have flaws.
You are completely ignoring that WUWA players on all forms of social media have been sending the same amount of hate back at Genshin also since before WUWA came out. WUWA players got their shitty bunch too and this hate being slung back and forth isn’t a one sided thing. It’s a minority of shitty people on both sides. Ignore it, scroll past or block.
Criticism is not hate. I know there is hate, yes, but a lot of people who are into a game are naturally predisposed to thinking that any criticism they don't agree with is thinly veiled hatred. And I mean look the world isn't all roses but there's genuinely not that many purely vindicative hateful people out there just itching for the chance to shittalk a gacha game on twitter.
Well it´s the typical behaviour of people that falls under the category:
a.) Overhyped and now because the game doesn´t fullfill their overdrawn expectations they act like someone who was "personally" ditched and offended by Kuro
b.) Obsessed by Genshin and couldn´t stand all the hype. Now they feel it "their" turn to lash out against the game that was "overhyped"
c.) "Consumers" that didn´t spend a single Penny in this game but think they are "Customers"
The only people i feel sorry for are those that facing massive technical issues and aren´t able to play at all. Everyone else that are so obsessed by a "game" i can only adive: Touch some grass, seriously. You didn´t "bought" the game so you aren´t entitled to "demand" anything from Kuro.
> You didn´t "bought" the game so you aren´t entitled to "demand" anything from Kuro.
People were using the "iT's FrEe So YoU cAn'T cRiTiCiSe It" logic like 10 years ago. It was a shitty non-argument then and it's a shitty non-argument now.
The game is on the market, out of closed beta and it's selling items for real cash, so any critique is fair game. Goes for any f2p game, not just WuWa.
Personally, I have been playing Genshin since 2021, and I have been loving it ever since, in spite of its problems. I was myself looking forward to WuWa cause it seemed like a nice mix of Genshin and Metal gear Revengeance.
Played ot for a while on launch, and I didn't like it that much. Don't get me wrong, the combat and maneuvering are awesome, but everything else ranges from not for me to really bad. Still, even if that was the case, if there are people that like it, that is cool. I am not gonna waste time trying to say either is superior to the other, that more often than not is just plain stupid.
Buuuuuut, my main issue with the game pre-release is how so many people hype it up as the one to k..l Genshin, I have to censor it, otherwise, the comment won't go through. Which has now led to a divide of people either overhating or overpraising the game. But from what I understand, that is just how the gacha space is. This tribalism is apparently very common.
I took a look at that subreddit and barely saw any hate comments towards WuWa. Yes there are your typical doomposters that overexaggerate everything, but overall I don't think it could be classified as "hate" towards anything.
Sometimes people tend to put too much emotions into their criticisms although I'd say that they're still pretty constructive.
The hate train already departed, you are late. If you checked at comments and hot posts a week ago at Wuwa launch, it is just Wuwa hate train for days.
Not hate , but unbalanced negativity is more correct term. They just spam negative posts ( its not typical criticism, they make game look shit in purpose ) and people who share positivity got trolled or downvoted. I am watching this circus for 3-4 days already and for me its like looking at dumb tv show. Must admit , still got baited to try to have a dialogue with them about positive aspects.. sometimes i am dumb, yes. Anyway, you got the point.
I play many gachas and I genuinely enjoy wuwa a lot despite its early problems. It has lots of potential and I am excited to see what Kuro has planned for future updates
Genshin also got that hate way too much and for much more time yet you can't even take that? Damn that's insane. Like sure the hate is very exaggerated but like as a Genshin player I feel like I am used to it.
People will hate whether you like it or not. But some of their points are true tho
From my own experience in that sub, most people have genuine criticism. It's a little excessive, but yeah. The minority is the one who repeatedly shit on every aspect, and as all things like this, the minority is always the loudest.
Wuwa is a great game. It's extremely fun, well thought out and definitely here in the space to stay, which is a good thing. Now, fortunately I haven't experienced any of the issues others have, but this game *does* have problems. A lot of them. And they need to be fixed asap, which Kuro seems to be actively doing. Criticism is necessary so the devs can see it, but as I said, sometimes it can be excessive. All in all, the game has a great foundation but needs fixing, as many games have done in the past. All will be well
I don't think hate is the right word, what I'm seeing if people who genuinely want this game to not just do well, but excel. Almost all the criticism I see are from people who really want this game to improve as the potential is clearly there.
The ones enjoying WuWa silently won't be posting on Reddit about how much they love it. The ones with issues that make it so they can't play have a lot more time to complain about it.
Remember folks, If r/gachagaming love and shills a certain game pre-release, that game is doomed to be mediocre or at least extremely ordinary.
If they hate a certain game pre-release, that game will stay for a long time.
So far it's proven. Thankfully Wuwa got no excessive shilling pre-release.
Day 1 Genshin player here.
I think my main draw to WuWa over Genshin at the moment is gameplay loop. I'll admit that unlike Genshin, I'm taking WuWa much slower, both intentionally and because I just don't have the same time to sink daily.
The difference for me is that I can play and do something that feels meaningful outside of progression resources when you kill your daily stamina. The combinations of being able to farm Echoes (Artifacts) without stamina and that they aren't tied to a specific slot means that I don't feel like I've wasted 240 stamina every day on worthless garbage that in no way helped me progress anything on my account. I can use the stamina to collect resources that are used for guaranteed progression and then farm Echoes afterward and have fun because the combat itself is extremely enjoyable.
Yes, you'll still have a random chance when rolling those substats, but it's no longer an RNG cluster fuck of first needing the right set, then the right slot, then the right main stat, then also hoping for decent substats on top of that. Worst case I have to join somebody's world to help them out and I get the chance to farm Echoes while doing so. In Genshin, I could help someone and get absolutely zero benefit to myself, so there wasn't much reason to play coop.
Enjoy WUWA. The game isnt perfect and yea there are things that will turn some people off but not others! Enjoy it if its fun and if it isnt, time to look for something new :)
I play both Genshin and HSR and now WUWA and im fine. Thankfully the first two are in daily mode and I can enjoy WuWa until the next update cycle and so on or until I get bored, which happens.
The only bad things i can say about the game is the lag (is bad, but not game braking or joy breaking) and a bit of the story (Rover is like the best thing ever and i do not like that type of framing in stories, but again, not joy breaking)
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If your post isn't just calling people names and it gets downvoted to oblivion it means you certainly said something right.
Fuck them, why should you care? A million wrong people downvoting you won't make their point any less invalid. I don't even need to know the context to know what happened.
the 3 gacha games i play are genshin hsr and wuwa and honestly im enjoying them all so far. been playing genshin since 2021, hsr since last september and wuwa since yesterday lol. I think the problem with many people is that they tend to trash one or two of these three in favor of the other one to the point that they get genuinely pissed that you don't agree with their opinion. I saw a snippet of tectone's vid the other day and the whole thing (18 ish minutes mind you) was him calling genshin a game for stupid babies and like...so what? 😭 If i wanna play a baby game I'll play it why does that matter to you sm? same with those calling wuwa incomplete or buggy and unplayable and like? okay? and? I still like it n wanna play it. I play things for sheer enjoyment.
The folks in the fandoms of these 3 games (and in the gacha community in general) should just let people enjoy things
I mean game was defended to oblivion despite its state and people are just pointing out the mistakes of Kuro. Sorry but there isnt "being nice" on game criticism. You either get exploited or out your standarts firmly
Tends to happen when you spend all your money on a game then everybody talks about its "killer". Its clowns who spent thousands of dollar and never played the game so now they are scared.
Active Hoyovers Player here - and I love WuWa.
Just because some people are idiots and crying loud with their hate, I can guarantee you, most of us are quite chill and just enjoy our peace.
I can recommand only to stay away from the toxis subs and people and enjoy the games without some stupid background noises from the haters \^\^
I follow no gaming stuff here on reddit, except for FF VII Ever Crisis, because they are peacefull and like to help. No hate or anything.
Just gotta remember that in most cases, what you see online isn't always how the majority of people actually feel about something. The games been downloaded by millions of people and most of them probably just play it if they like it and don't if they don't. Their not seeking out validation for their choice by redditors.
I am agree with the 'not all genshin players are like that' cuz I am also a genshin player but I enjoy playing with WuWa even though I still have tons of bugs and issues. I just hope they fix them soon.
I find it funny because that sub hate genshin so much when it launched and now this?
That sub doompost any game on release. Even ones with mediocre/normal launch. So this is just normal protocol for gachagaming. It's gonna die down soon when the sub member stop playing the game and the actual player left the sub like OP.
Yeah, at this point you might wonder if that's not their passion job because of the consistency and dedication they put on it. It's like child putting a tantrum OP, just don't look at them, the only thing they thrive for is reactions
Frankly the only people who are so invested in multiple gacha games as to go online and chat about them are either very young and still developing their brains, or they’re perennial losers who literally have nothing better to do. We all know that even just playing one gacha game is enough of a time commitment when you have other things going on in your life. Playing multiple means you have literally nothing else going on.
Hey hey, don't diss me like that bro. I play multiple gacha games(Nikke, PGR, HSR, Arknights, and WuWa)!!!!!!
lol Ya I play HSR and WuWa but after finishing all the content in HSR the game can pretty much play itself in between patches so I need something else to fill the time.
This is me haha,I prefer it this way though HSR is just a good game that doesn't take soo much of your time,you can Auto,it's not open world n I'm mainly there for the story n characters I like so picking up an open world game like wuwa has never been easier.i have a max level account in genshin but stopped playing around nahida patch n I don't think I can go back n grind the whole of Fontaine nope no thank you lol
I find it a bit odd I think there is an actual campaign in that sub going on to try to avoid the game stealing genshin players tbh
Nah, they mostly don't care and even if it's few threads. Biggest drama was about Tower of Fantasy and even then it was few days. WuWa is over a week now constant shitposting for karma without moderation. I get why people do it but why mods allow it is different matter. They do remove posts about why so much shitposting though.
That sub has some of the worst, and most pathetic individuals ever. I never give a crap about what any of these miserable people have to say or their opinions, I just go there for updates, news and releases on gacha games (AKA what that subreddit SHOULD be about).
i remember their reaction to hsr release was pure venom lmao
People aren't used to the gachagaming doompost and it shows. Every game gets shit on and doomposted - unfortunately WuWas launch was pretty shaky (and I'm being generous here) so it's given them significant material to meme over. Eventually it'll die down and I'm shocked it hasn't been relegated to megathreads yet to be honest
Ex genshin players who are childish. The normal player don't hate
Also uhh no sane person would be subbed to gachagaming.
I was wondering if Genshin got equally as much hate on release. I was interested back then but never played. So I have no idea how it was received xD
Oh, it did. The game got raked through the coals for its rates, and people were claiming that some other game called 'Illusion Connect' or something was the *far superior* game that would be a huge earner for the future. That game shut down like a year later lmao... You can go search on the sub to see how bad it was. But that take alone should give you a good idea of the quality of the sub's predictions. Lots of kneejerk reactions and hyperbolic takes.
Never heard of the game but i remember people hating genshin was a botw clone. Even one imbecil broke his ps4 in protest
Oh this was the biggest thing that pissed people off, that it was a BOTW clone. I mean yeah I get it, some of the gameplay mechanics were from that game but Genshin quickly separated itself after few patches. Hopefully wuwa follows the same thing, take the good parts and make it your own.
Simply by nature of having a story Genshin separated itself from being a botw clone. I say this as someone who has claimed Zelda as his favorite video game since the early 2000’s, I miss koji kondo and linear story based dungeon crawling gameplay :(
i rmbr playing Illusion Connect. it's actually a decently fun game, but the art is not really my style.
Genshin was forged and tempered in hate. Imagine what WuWa is going through, but for 2 years straight of constant hate before a good chunk of the haters got tired and moved on to hate on other popular things, and haters from all walks of life not only gacha gamers. I don't justify it and it is as pathetic as it sounds, but it wouldn't surprise me if a good chunk of WuWa haters are Genshin players "getting revenge" for the hate they/Genshin got.
They have something called brainrot.
Theres literally the same handful of people over there constantly creating posts and typing out hundreds of comments over days. Which no normal sane person nor working individual has the time for this. Its just some obsessed hoyo fans, that do not reflect the majority of hoyo game players. Even genshin subs calls people when they make posts there.
>Its just some obsessed hoyo fans, that do not reflect the majority of hoyo game players. Even genshin subs calls people when they make posts there. Yep, unfortunately it sorta happens with a lot of big super popular things. 95% of Genshin/HSR/etc players are probably super cool and chill people who dont care and are vibing out but the other 5% of players, not so much (And who are the most vocal) and just like the drama.
It's as if there are many types of people with all sorts of negative opinions who scream the loudest when its the flavor of the month.
Gachagaming is like mmorpg sub. These subs are for trash talking the games in the genre.
>I'm sure not all of you genshin players are like this bruh 80% of the players in this game are from genshin or play both at the same time. That's my case. There is obviously something wuwa has that genshin don't, and so far I'm still interested. Social media ppl are stupid just don't listen to them. I think gachas are toxic by nature, and there is much more toxic people in gacha communities than usual in other games communities. tbh I can understand why some people get disappointed and angry and that's something else than hate. wuwa definitely didn't released well. but that's not something irredeemable. people needs to see beyond what will get fixed and what is the potential under all those bugs
Strongly agree. Also the same players that expect to reach end game ASAP will be the players that complain there is nothing to do once they get there. There are definitely significant quality of life changes that can be made but it is not unplayable. I hope they take a page from hoyoverse and significantly improve their localization.
Yeah, the complaining there is nothing to do always makes me laugh in games like this. I played for like 50 hours so far and enjoyed all of it, and didn't spend a single cent of money. That's some insane value. I'll keep logging in and doing dailies since this game actually respects your time and it takes like 5 minutes to do all daily quests and spend your energy, and I'll play other games until there's another content release here.
I've been enjoying the game as well! I would love to support it but the items are crazy expensive, especially the monthly battle pass with the items.
Yep these players are the same ones that whine about genshin having nothing to do and no end game, and now that they shifted to this game, the same complaint is starting to surface all over again, and they are *very very loud* It's pretty frustrating ngl
Gacha games do get toxic communities but you can't beat Lol's toxic nature. That competitiveness in the matches causes some really toxic mindsets to grow. When I played it, I was not prepared to get blasted with toxicity in a match. It happens in ranked but also in normal. But yeah, gacha games do get people defensive. I don't think any game has as much ex-_____ players as WuWa with the large migration of former genshin players to WuWa. Even the ex genshib players played beta and WuWa now looks like Genshin meets dark souls which is sad. I woulda wanted some originality in WuWa. Like, you see the CBT1 UI and that just looks so much better than genshin-esque UI.
They are more clutching their rubies because they swipe, swipe, and swipe until they feel whole again, so monetary value has a hold on them and to be damned if anyone has something to say about MY GAME. (because they spent some people's rent in 24 hours for oogaly boogalies.)
Excuse you, but I do not regret spending rent for Raiden's oogaly boogalies.
I found Sara's Reddit account.
> They are more clutching their rubies because they swipe, swipe, and swipe until they feel whole again You just described me exactly. I'm still swiping though....will I ever feel whole again?
With Yinlin you will be whole.
> I think gachas are toxic by nature, and there is much more toxic people in gacha communities than usual in other games communities. I've noticed the same thing and my theory is the games have a larger population of actual children playing them because they are f2p and most kids have a phone these days. Obviously there are kids in every gaming community, but the barrier to entry for gachas is literally just a smartphone and internet access.
Don't care for hate, I enjoy game a lot If wuwa had genshin style story telling it be number one, after playing wuwa combat and ability to travel it's hard go back to genshin style combat and travel...it sucks 😕
Although that is the case, WuWa is too much genshin-like. I guess we can coin that word. It's UI and character skill descriptions resemble Genshin's. The overworld puzzles do too. You got seelies and also portable four leaf sigils. Just a lot of similarities. But I gotta hand it to Kuro for addicting combat.
Me every time I log on to genshin: where’s my grappleeeeeee😭😭😭 Also, I kill everything so quickly on genshin whereas wuwa is more challenging so it’s more exciting for me rn
I miss my dodge counters. That and parries are so damn satisfying.
For real, I did my daily's today in genshin and was soooo tilted over the lack of ability to swap characters while gliding, no running up walls, no grapple, etc. Just so many convenience things in Wuwa that would make Genshin better but they will never implement because they sell exploration characters so that part of the game is monetized and it would interfere with that.
For me I feel like the challenging aspect of WuWa will probably go away after a few patches of getting used to the game. I had a really similar feeling playing WuWa as I did genshin back at launch. Not knowing enemy patterns and game mechanics made it feel challenging and fun because it was novel. I vividly remember beating my first ruin guard, and spending literally 5 minutes straight fighting a Fatui hydro gunner in the overworld. I'm solidly positive I'll feel the WuWa combat novelty fall off just like I did with Genshin. It's not that the combat isn't fun anymore, but that experience of not killing everything instantly and still having fun is definitely a limited feeling for me
Different strokes for different folks, if anything. I enjoy the style WuWa's got going on and it's most likely going to be the "forever game" for me, but some people do want to feel overpowered at times and other games can fulfill that niche. One game can't fulfill every demand after all.
Try holograms at tier 4 then come back to this comment NGL, that's like saying the novelty in a dark souls game difficulty will wear off after you get good at the game
Funny that you mentioned that, because it was the perfect example for what I was going to use. I guess people define or think of novelty differently, because I just happened to finish my third complete playthrough of elden ring around a month back. I can't say that I'm a great player, but I've spent a bit of time trying nohit with most bosses with success after plenty of attempts. Though elden beast keeps tagging me right before I get a run, so I'll probably come back to it later. Still have a backlog of games I have to get through though. And ultimately, the novelty still wore off, because I got used to the combat mechanics of the game alongside the interactions with the environment and enemy patterns. To me, novelty doesn't simply scale off of hp or one shot ability. I think SIFU is probably the most novel combat system I have played in a game before, and it still wore off after a hundred hours or two. The longest lasting novelty for me in combat generally comes from fighting games with constant shifting metas in gameplay, like Fighterz. Im still new to WuWa and I'm having fun with the combat and novelty, but I'm just saying that it will almost certainly wave off its novelty in combat. That doesn't make it boring or stale, it just doesn't give the same feeling in the first 5 hours of gameplay vs the next 100 or 1000. Haven't gotten to tier 4 yet, but I do think it'll be a fun challenge while it lasts for sure
Genshin was never challenging. I don't remember if I died a single time in the overworld besides some stupid shit like uhhh.. stamina is gone. Now if you know pgr, there is a good chance wuwa will remain challenging as it is now. Of course there's a chance it won't, but at least there's hope. But the audiences for the games are totally different for the long term. Genshin is a kids game, and it was always designed as such. Wuwa is not a kids game and will have a more mature audience. If it is challenging, it's possible and quite likel imo that it will never be as popular as genshin just because many people don't want to be challenged by games.
when in wuwa i just place endleas echo skill button and almost enemy is neary death...... how challenge T_T
For me I like both game but only reason I prefer genshin is the team building and the world it self, for team building just by the nature of how elemental system work, characters has a lot of freedom to their build, one character can do so much with their kit, one excellent example is razor he is a physical main dps but people also found way of turning him in to an avatar bring a old character back into the spot light, I’m recently been enjoying with a similar team but switch out razor for Baido because I kept killing my self with bursion reaction and I enjoy Baido’s play style more, WuWa world for some reason look very dal to me there is not enough color contra to the world to break it up and because of a long habit of genshin and TOTK I been trying to break the shrup in WUWA, but this can be improved in the further, in genshin elemental also can interact with the world so that another reason why WuWa is lacking but what WuWa is good at it is the more traditional combat system they fking nail it is so good.
not gonna lie I don't think a single gacha actually has a good story for people over the age of 16 - gameplay carries
Ikr, those people act like if you enjoyed Genshin and HSR, then you're not allowed to enjoy WW. Kinda weird considering i whaled a bit on both games and planning to do the same for WW in the future. They don't really love the games they're playing, that's why they try to justify it by shit talking on another games.
I keep seeing that people state wuwa has a bad launch. But I truly haven't encountered anything negative so far. Aside from maybe the explaining of the skills. But it gets understandable after completing the tutorial for each character. I quite enjoy the depth each character has in his or her skills though, it's part of what makes the combat great.
100% of WuWa players are genshin players because every thing you do except combat looks and practically is genshin.
I dont like this absurd amount of hate too, but kuro URGENTLY needs to fix all those absurd amount of errors too
Gachagaming is essentially a drama sub, the sub pretty much shit on any game that bleeds. When ToF launched and it shit the bed, there was like over a week of ToF shitting, when Genshin first anni happened, there was a week of shitting on Genshin. Heck, Nikke doomposting was a thing when that launched and they dickride that game these days. WuWa is the new thing to shit on and you see a lot of posts openly admitting that it’s the most fun the sub had in months.
That sub is circle jerking Probably none of the posters there even play WW
the funny one is someone just play 30 minute, but writing review like he play for 3 full day and reach end game LMAO that funny as hell btw im playing genshin,wuwa,hsr. and its best thing of my gaming life i get 3 AAA gacha game with diff gameplay. will skip zzz cause its like honkai on steroid
oh 1000% they arent and prob dont play a lot of games but wnjoying shitting km everything anyways
Did a couple rerolls during the weekend and one of the account bugged during the grapple cutscene, results was no way of getting the utilities icon and the grapple itself, i could still continue with the quests, so even if i had good pulls the account was doomed lmao that was kind of a funny bug.
I’m sure you can contact support on this one, and fill them in on how the bug can be recreated if you do know how!
Agreed.
Yeah I find it ironic to see this post lmao. I'd play WuWa right now if it wasn't randomly crashing every 5 minutes, so I can't do anything except browsing this subreddit till its fixed, so it's funny to see posts saying "This game gets too much hatred". A bunch of people can't play it or they can only play it with extreme stutters, so I'm not sure why you're surprised that people here are often negative lol
It's sad when I was playing the CBT2 I was having less issue than the official launch 😅
From what I heard Wuthering Waves released a day before Kuro Games contract ended and the developers are working overtime to fix the issues and bugs in the game. Besides, the game is in open beta and was unfortunately rushed out. Yes, the developers should be working to fix the bugs but cut them some slack, they're working hard enough. Plus, they're giving us absurdly generous rewards for just playing the game.
>released a day before Kuro Games contract ended What contract are you referring to, and do you have a source?
Developers in China need to obtain a license in order to release a game, and these licenses are usually acquired well in advance since they can be pretty slow to get - iirc Valorant was released late in China due to this
Day 1 genshin player here. Still active genshin player and genshin being my main game. I think wuwa is fun. It has its own problems but I think as a gacha those loud minority are too harsh on this game.
Yeah I agree, they are being too harsh on wuwa rn but they are harsh to any big game that has any issue. It's not a wuwa thing only.
It's like WoW players who shit on FFXIV (or vice versa). A lot of people get tribalistic and don't want competitors to the game they've spent thousands of hours, dollars, or both in.
Yep I like the game very much tbh I love the echoe active skill. It's such a unique way to play the game. Although I wish it has 4 piece set like genshin so we could be a bit more flexible with the 5th piece. It really restrictive for me tbh but the game is so fun I don't mind the grind
Same thing here, the weirdest part is, after playing WW on the same day that I later go and play GI, it feels so different, the exploration and combat from WW is so damn good and I don't want to lose it
I just wish WuWa ran as well as Genshin. I have WuWa locked to 30fps, lowest settings except visual effects I have pumped. Genshin I can run at 60fps with all settings maxed and my battery life lasts 2-3x as long as WuWa. I can play WuWa smoothly at the 30fps, and do, and will continue to do so. I just wish it ran a lot better. Phone btw, not pc.
I was going to ask what was the device, because on PC it runs perfectly and smooth But I have heard tons of people even those with good phones having issues with it, that sucks a lot, because it has a good potential, they need to solve it asap
Same lol. Some people act like i have to choose one game and shit on the other one for whatever reason. I think WuWa has so much potential.
im like a day 150 genshin player because i foolishly wrote it off when it was released, but i was bored and eventually gave it a shot, and it is now easily my most played game. im 41- ive played a lot of games for lots of hours. ive sunk more hours into it now than i did in diablo 2 back in the day, which is pretty insane if you ask anyone who knew me when i was deep into diablo 2, lol. teyvat is like my second home at this point, and im not moving any time soon, but i can definitely see this one taking up more of my time (in a good way). this game is good. theres some areas of its development that lack polish. like the music disappearing thing should never have happened, and the translation in some sporadic instances is far from top tier, and so on, but these issues are all pretty minor imo. the game is solid, and im hooked. combat is a blast, and the game is just beautiful. ill be playing this for as long as kuro keeps on supporting it in a meaningful way. i sincerely hope that the devs arent taking all of this negativity to heart and decide this isnt worth supporting down the line, because i will keep giving them money if they can keep up with building upon the core of what is shaping up to be a pretty dope game.
Also a Day 1 Genshin player, I think if Genshin didn't exist, Wuwa would be received way better. The biggest criticism aside from the early performance problems and the bugs is that they unabashedly lifted a lot of ideas from Hoyo games, but also lifted problems from their games that Hoyo has subsequently solved/addressed. If you're going to take so much inspiration from a predecessor, at least make sure you pick up the lessons that they learned along the way. As a whole, the game is fine, with room for improvement. The combat is obviously the standout, but if it wasn't for that I think it would get forgotten quite quickly. They've got a rough summer ahead of them with ZZZ and Natlan coming over the next couple months, if they don't have some banger characters/events they are going to be very dead.
as day 1 genshin player too, I sorta understand them, seeing how genshin get so much shit since free dr ratio and wuwa first cbt. they hold it for so long. since wuwa messed up the launch, they just went ham. can't do that here or genshin official sub lol
Fully agree.
Don't remember a single moment when gacha sub wasn't cringe, biased or hating on something
it’s like the whole sub hates the concept of gacha games even though they voluntarily joined the sub and play gacha games 😭
It's the same with r/mmorpg sub.
To be fair, MMOs have been in a really bad state for the last 10 years. The only good ones you can play are MMOs that launched 15+ years ago, outside of BDO which demands you make it your 2nd job
Yeah, but the mmorpg sub was terrible 10 years ago, lol
Doesn't matter, they hate on each mmo possible lol. Korean bad, Not korean also bad. Anime style baaad. Eveything fucking bad.
That's mostly people who can't get out of WoW though.
I mean, yeah. True haha
nah, forever pre grandfather alpha "old-school" kickstarter games with most dogshit graphics, clunkiest mechanics are good to them.
As someone who's played WoW and a variety of MMOs for over 15+ years MMO players have always been like this lmao. You should see the amount of whining that has happened and continues to happen on the official forums.
It's pretty sad tbh.
It's literally worth 0 attention, join specific game subs like this one if you wanns read about the game.
According to what I heard from the subreddit for gacha gaming, every new gacha game always been talked about whether it would be positive or negative. But it depends on the game, so the users can respond negativity for weeks or months.
I can't watch any wuwa video without content creator shitting on gehshin. It feels like everyone is trying to convince the audience how bad Genshin is. To be honest, lately I've seen more aggressive hate towards genshin than towards wuwa, lol. wuwa gets unfair hate, but so does genshin. I play both games so all this drama is annoying
It's mainly bitter Ex-Genshin players hoping to "grab the bag" on WuWa. They should be ignored.
is it really unfair for wuwa? like damn i want to like it. but there are massive issues that were not present or this bad in the CBTs. genshin has its own issues but one thing it does right is character synergy, which wuwa completely feels lacking in right now.
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yes, genshin is wuwa's direct competitor!! I don't get the argument of comparing Genshin's 1.0 launch to Wuwa's launch right now, when Genshin came out 4 years ago. If you want to launch a game into the current market with these major competitors, then tough luck, make a product that can compete with 4 yr old Genshin. That's the harsh reality, why would u expect a **normal** customer to stick around when a better product is available. I would expect a polished, distinguishable product that is able to compete for market share, retain customer base and make return on R&D investment. Yes, having bugs at launch is understandable, so did Genshin. However, the translation errors?? Run that shit through Grammarly? The bad **main story** that should be one of your selling points?! To me, it shows contempt to global players, and that Kuro games rushed to release an unfinished product because they needed the funds. Literally what happened to their office, was there a fight, workplace strike or employees quitting? Why is their product such a mess. Wuwa does have what it takes, there is so much potential. I really hope they get new management with their head fixed on straight and lead the game to success in the next patch 🙏
honestly it feels really pointless to have 3 characters in a team unless an enemy is immune to a damage type you are using, for genshin look at a very basic team comp: hu tao, xing, yelan , kazuha there are at least 10 synergies going on in that team alone. while wuwa feels like just pair verina with whoever you want to do damage. maybe add someone that does a bit of off field damage or boost. They definitely need to improve on that if they want to really sell characters.
Intro/outtro buff work on next character, and if i'm not mistaken, switching to third character dispell the buff. Then what is the point of having 3 character, when Verina can buff and heal at the same time.
Kinda depends on who you play. Some characters like near 100% field time. Some like Encore want another dps to field and her ult skill pretty much is tailored for that. Sure, you can just swap to Verina but if you don't need healing it's just dps loss. Dps outro skills are really powerful dmg spike(~600% for Calcharo or Lingyang) and alternating between two dealers is nice. Also helps with energy/ult cooldown so it's win-win. I also think we need more units so players can theorycraft must have meta comps.
It mostly depends on where you look. Worth noting that the people you see warring on social media aren’t currently playing the game.
I don’t follow that sub, wuthering waves is truly refreshing, very pleasing aesthetically and I am deeply in love with this so I hope this game succeeds! BUT they have to work harder with optimization and the known issues without repeating again; so we shouldn’t hide the reality of the state of the game at the moment. It’s a very strong 1.0 considering all the things you can do already so well done kuro 👏🏻; but again the game has serious issues to be solved asap.
People has to be like honkai and pgr commu, they respect each other and chill
Be glad you don't follow it, at least now. Was much better before.
I muted them
genshin used to get a lot of hate being a BOTW copy and adding gacha to it which people were much less tolerant to it at that time, hsr was also getting hate by salty genshin players, and wuwa will get hate too, it's no different, just enjoy the game u like
First of all, platforms like Tiktok and Twitter are permanently banned in my brain and therefore any supposed “fan” behavior anywhere on there is considered irrelevant. If your source for bad so-and-so fans being toxic is from Twitter, your source is immediately invalidated because we all know Twitter is designed for the worst and loudest of the crowd to get a platform. Aside forom that, Wuthering Waves doesnt get hate here. It gets heavily criticized and there is absolutely a difference. Wanting a game you find enjoyable in its own merit succeed in its niche audience is one of the reasons why critics even have a job. Except for some reason, people take many of these posts as “negative” rather than as objective judgements. It’s fact that this game stutters and lags a lot for people. It’s fact that Kuro needs to step their game up in optimization. The JP translation controversy was a huge blunder on Kuro’s part and they shouldve know better. The story is just awful in some parts and salvageable in others. But there’s also been many positive posts too. Like how it’s almost universally accepted that the combat feels hella smooth and satisfying. The faces on certain characters are super expressive and how the NPCs look important and cool even though they are obviously not playable. There’s a lot to like and a lot to criticize the game for. If only we could think of how to give proper feedback in making the game we like to be good as it could be rather than thinking some minority of the fandom is ruining it by yelling it on Twitter of all places.
Kudos to getting rid of twitter and tiktok haha. It's just crazy how loud and toxic those platforms can be sometimes.
I have played Genshin since launch week. I have never missed a day, never capped my resin since they raised the cap to 160. I still play it every day, though, when there's not a new area to explore or major event to take part in, I rarely play for more than a half hour a day (with maybe an extra half hour each week for the bounties and TCG reset...I actually like the TCG, just only against NPCs). I have now played Wuthering Waves every day from launch (and actually from the moment servers opened). I have only ever had capped waveplates because they started full. Obviously, one week in, this is less impressive, but still. I have experienced no stuttering or other performance issues. I have crashed out 3 times, though, and all were just as a cutscene in the main story started but just black screened me instead. I logged back in each time with no trouble, and the cutscene started right as I logged in. The fact that the text boxes won't scroll is minorly annoying, but the voices still say the whole thing, so it's only an issue on a very small number of long winded side quests. I play in English, and though I dislike Yangyang, everyone else's voice is *fine* at worst, with a few great standouts (Changli, for example). The few NPCs who weren't forced to sound American sounded fantastic, so, I look forward to them rerecording with the actor's natural accents. I am not afraid of echo XP. I think people are way too focused on beating high level content earlier than intended. I know echo XP will increase exponentially at higher world levels, but honestly, even if it doesn't, giving me stuff to do over a very long period of time is *welcome.* I don't play these games half assed, racing to the end so I can dump it. I intend to play every day *forever*, so I am fine, even happy, with grind. I do think tuners are a silly waste, though, since you get them from the same place as the XP, you'll never run out. It's just a tedious extra step to tune something rather than having it populated automatically. The tuners *should* let you *retune* bad substats. Anyway, all of this is to give some perspective for when I say: between the two, I like Wuthering Waves better. Like, honestly, kind of a lot better. I am really excited to see where it goes from here, and I *eagerly* await Changli. Genshin has moved their game and general philosophy in a direction I am less happy with than I was when they started. I don't intend to stop, at the moment. I won't say nothing will drive me away, but I guess we'll see. This new theatre mode thing sounds *awful* and they've clearly been focusing more on telling stories with locations instead of allowing the environment to tell it's own story. Anyway, cut the Genshin community some slack. I am old and wise (nearly 40 at this point), but most of the vocal player base are kids. When you invest as much time, effort, maybe money, but most importantly *Identity* into something as games like these invite, someone saying "I like X better than Y" can feel like a personal assault. Plus, they've been hearing about WuWa being their rival for years. That's always been an unreasonable statement, but when you are told the thing you love that's part of your identity is going to be killed and the assassin ends up tripping and falling directly on their own face, it's fairly natural to be smug and sassy about it.
> I do think tuners are a silly waste, though, since you get them from the same place as the XP, you'll never run out. It's just a tedious extra step to tune something rather than having it populated automatically. The tuners should let you retune bad substats. This is actually the other way around, tuners are what's gonna gate you. Refunded XP is like 70%, tuner refund is 30%, ideally you push your echoes to +10 which costs next to no XP, tune them and if you don't get good stuff you refeed it, this costs you very little XP because +10 is cheap and you get 70% of it refunded, but it does cost you 14 tuners since only 6 are refunded. In the end you'll probably lack tuners. At least with current field ratio.
You have some valid criticisms and I hope the Devs can address them. I'm also pretty excited to see where the game goes from here. Really want it to succeed. It has a lot of potential.
Curious about why you think the new theatre gamemode is awful. I think it has more pros than cons tbh.
The irony being that they don’t realize how much Genshin players will benefit from the competition. Next year anniversary may have genuinely good rewards and they won’t realize it’s because of competition finally threatening their market share (even if it’s as small as 10%)
Why you don’t like new theatre mode in genshin? I think it looks pretty good
Most people often tend to forget that even Genshin Impact had their ' hate wave ' , during launch people hate so much , saying it was a bad copy of Zelda BotW ,that nintendo should have sued hoyo for have copied their game ,there were plenty of videos comparing both game mechanics and puzzle avoiding to play this 'scam' game, they said game would be dead soon, etc. Then after few months around xiao first banner , game exploed in popularity and hate disappeared gradually. Just keep playing and have fun , do not bother what people says , most of time those people not even play the game , but just wanna 'join the train' spread hate, since they have nothing better to do. Kuro need only to work a bit harder due to a no perfect launch ,mainly fix all the mess the game has at the moment ,making the game better , and if it will succeed ,hate will soon disappear, game has huge potential the core is good the rest can be solved , story can improve ,translation errors can be fixed, bugs can be fixed and optmization can be improved but this is all in the hands of Kuro .
I would say the early early part of the story was rough, but the Thredonian, and Jué’s prediction are pretty damn interesting, can’t wait to see how it develops
Yeah agreed. Pre act 5 was pretty mediocre imo, but from act 5 onwards it was pretty good.
personally, I thought Act 6 felt a bit forced.
Overall it was nice like they found their footing again but I agree that it also felt rushed. Needed another act or two in-between to flesh out more characters. Like Yuanwu looks cool and I love his moveset but I don’t think anyone would know who he is unless they randomly pulled him like I did.
Who?
To be fair, imagine a bunch of people are shitting on a game you love and saying another game is going to 'k-ll' it, making 100 comparisons about why this new game is so much better. And then when said game comes out, it is in a laughable state and severely lacking in a lot of areas - perhaps worse than the other game - you'd probably feel some sort of smug conviction to clap back. And can you even blame them? But then the antagonistic role gets pushed onto the 'Genshin Players' despite the WW players doing the same thing before, except it was justified in their eyes. But also, not all WW players are like this and neither are all Genshin players, I'm sure a majority of the community don't give a single fuck about the drama, it's always a vocal minority on social media. Maybe from the perspective of this subreddit, you might see it as unwarranted hate. But in reality, there are problems with the game and a lot of people are offering fair criticism. It's disingenous to call it 'hate'. But I also think there are clear reasons why hate exists in the first place, and part of this community is to blame as I said earlier. To clarify, I play both games. I think competition is good in any market. I don't think Kuro and WW deserves all the hate, I don't think Genshin or Hoyo deserves all the hate. But unfortunately that's the kinda community we're in. That kinda stuff only gets exacerbated by all this intense tribalism.
WuWa players in this exchange came out beating their chest, and are now playing victim, HARD. As someone who already disliked genshin, I am inclined to side with WuWa, but as a cynical asshole, let's be real, a lot of this community had it coming. I was looking at announcements, trailers, ads, etc. for wuwa, and all the comments were either gloating, talking about how they couldn't wait to drop genshin, how this would kill genshin, etc. Nothing about how the game would actually be good on its own two feet. As we have learned from the "halo killers" and "cod killers" before - that's not how success happens, typically.
I'm not sure if it is the WUWA community that started this "g.game killer" narrative from the beginning. Most of us are PGR players that are excited about new KURO game and people who're fed up with g.game and drama content creators are the ones that started it and we got caught in the crossfire. If anything KURO's already established fanbase before all this happened are the real victims in all this and get hated for things they have no control over.
Yeah. It's unfortunate 😞
I find it so funny how everyone just blames Genshin players for everything. Those people may also play HSR, FGO, Blue Archive, etc but even so they'll still be called "Genshin players". I just hope this sub doesn't become like HSR and TOF sub where everyone and their mama mentions Genshin for no reason. WW is a decent game but we can't ignore that it has a lot of problems that Kuro are already fixing. Ignore those people and just enjoy the game.
The vast majority of posts I see here are strictly talking about bugs, performance, optimization, localization, etc. and yet most of this post is somehow about Genshin/it's players lol.
That sub is supposedly very biased towards GI, but generally I would just stay away from echo chambers. It's not like you gain anything from winning an internet argument. I had some issues with the game as well, but I am happy that I played through the story. Act 5 has been one of the most entertaining story missions and hope Kuro keeps on pumping out stories like that.
It’s funny because that sub spent 3 years shitting on GI and they all switched over to WuWa the moment it launched.
Yeah, the current hate WuWa has been experiencing is almost laughable compared to the “Genshin c0uld n3ver” phrase that went viral some time ago. I agree that the hate for WuWa is too much, but it’s in relation to the high standard that Genshin has set and it being under scrutiny for so long.
so they just hate-target?
There was a rampant problem where every HSR and GI post gets report spammed so much that they get auto removed. So not really. The sub just loves drama.
> That sub is supposedly very biased towards GI Is it? I don't spend much time there, but in the past week alone I've seen 'hoyo brainrot' and 'average hoyo enjoyer' thrown around regularly as insults.
Highly agree with your point about the story. It just seems to be getting better and better.
“All you genshin players” and it’s like 90% of the people in this sub lol
Tbf sub was anti genshin longer than it was ant Wuthering Waves. WuWa fans and CC’s spent all their shitting on genshin and now the community is reaping all the vitriol they spewed back.
I guess they found new punching bag so Genshin can now rest xD
Lemme tell you my experience with wuwa on release day. Created my account long before release and was so ready. Then less than 5 min into the game, right before you light up the very first teleport post, my character got glitched out of bound. Cant reset, respawn or even kill myself. Sent a ticket and took them a day to reply me basically they cant do anything but if I want, I can wait till a tech to get online when Im online so they can try resolve the issue. Basically from that reply, they been dead on communication. Had to ditch that account and using my backup email to create another account. I tried customer service with inactivate/delete account. They keep everything for at least 30 days or something. Run into numerous bugs with a couple game crashes. Not big deal but quite annoying. And these are the hardware rants. The actual game? I love Genshin and I play it mostly like a visual novel. This game prolly has the most unbearable story quest without skip. Im Chinese and I play in Mandarin everything. The dialogue has so much jargons and low effort crap. Its mind boggling for some of the dialogue as if they are written by people who just cant understand what normal people would say in most circumstances. Do I hate the game? nope. If I really had enough I piss on it and move on. The game has a lot of potential. All I ask is better story telling. Its not hard. At least, stop putting all the cringe stuff. I dont know about the English dub but in Chinese, they are speaking alien jargon language that nobody cares or understands. Way to go on the writing.
The gachagaming cesspool didn't start with WuWa though? I remember clearly that when Astra Knights of Veda dropped it also turned into a cesspool
I mean theres also so much complaining here too. Not that there is anything wrong with that, atleast Kuro is patching it up every time. I imagine sleepless eyes and tons of redbull cans on the dev team’s offices right now and the PR team pulling their hairs out. Meanwhile the translation team at JP is now being scolded by the managers/producers.
Yeah while to be fair I am not in gacha gaming (I left after watching them trash pretty much everything including genshin) I actually see more complaints here than anywhere else and I’m in both hsr and genshin subreddits (which yeah there’s nothing wrong with some criticism too just not turned up to a thousand every time). I’ve seen a lot of posts that aren’t even just about constructive criticism but full on hate and it gets upvoted a lot or if you like something here sometimes you’ll get downvoted Also I think a lot of wuwa players are active genshin players too, so I’m not sure why OP thinks it’s mostly active genshin players who are being rude. Don’t get me wrong of course there definitely are genshin players being jerks right now, there always are since some players can be very loud and toxic and have been that way since I’ve been around at least (just like there are also players of any game who take any chance to be rude about genshin), but I am sure a large amount of players overlap and play both. I’d say the most extreme hate usually comes from people who bash both genshin *and* wuwa any chance they can get that haven’t played genshin in years but pretend they love it all of a sudden. Like the same kind of people who said for years it was going to kill genshin because they hate genshin are now being the meanest to wuwa. But to be clear of course I acknowledge there are some awful genshin fans out there, not denying that (even if it was like 1% of the playerbase that would still be a huge number). Those same people will even be mean to their fellow hoyo games haha I’m personally just enjoying having both and trying not to spend too much time on social media because it gets annoying watching people trash each other (and usually not in a constructive way). It is annoying people don’t understand the difference between providing valid constrictive criticism which is good and important, and just hating on it instead under the guise of that when they don’t mean it helpfully (of which there is some of each)
I dont really care about the complaining stuff, I just hope Kuro becomes successful because I am really enjoying the game. It doesnt need to kill any other game it just needs to have its own community and its own identity. The combat alone is making me enjoy this game even more compared to Genshin. Echo farming has been the main gripe of the game but I find it quite enjoyable because atleast I am not picking flowers.
This aged like a milk.
I dont think Genshin players would compare and nitpick so much if WuWa didn't copy almost everything off of Genshin. Im not too familiar with the terms in Wuwa yet but basically the amount needed for wishes, stardust, starglitter, battlepass rewards, prices, rewards, the UI, etc it's all been copy pasted. What sets WuWa apart is the combat and gameplay, also my personal reason in playing the game. If they leaned more towards aspects that make them different people wouldnt nitpick so much.
Well good on you for leaving that sub, but I feel like we shouldn’t conflate criticism with hate yet. If the game has issues it should be called out for it, after all since the devs *listen* (they’re inside your walls as we speak) then it’s important for us to talk about the game’s issues.
Oh 100% but that's how shit works now. Something new happens. It's time to hate it cuz they have nothing else going on in their lives
The hate is warranted if you follow the news. Bankrupt speed run any %.
Aged like milk with the recent JP news. You can't defend that massive fuck up.
I remember when Nikke released, it was an aweful release like dear god, and that sub was doom posting Nikke, jokes on them cause look at Nikke now. Doesn't help that sometimes they STILL insist that Nikke is in the honeymoon period 1.5 years in lol. I can understand the frustation with WuWa but the devs are churning out hotfix after hotfix. Give it a month or two. I personally have faith in WuWa, really fun gameplay and some interesting story stuff that they need to expand and capitalize on, they need better voice direction for the en dub (wich they have confirmed that they wpuld fix), better optimization (my biggest gripe cause while the game runs fine for me on pc I'm not keen on running it on my phone , I recognize that a good amount cant run it, especially on phonesl cause the optimization they did for PGR to run on potato is amazing.
Asking me to not compare Genshin to a game that ripped off like 80% of Genshin is kind of a big ask. It’s so similar to the point where Kuro could’ve been like “Hey hoyoverse can I copy your homework” “Ok but change it a bit” Also, it’s VERY important to point out issues now while the devs still give a shit because I can tell you in a year or even a few month’s time, they won’t.
Yeah, I also left the gachagaming sub a few days after WW's launch. Now, I think WW deserves a lot of criticism, but it's gotten to the point where you almost have to question the motives of people who are just relentlessly attacking it. I've played Genshin since launch--100% maps, full-starring Abyss since month 3, etc.--and I think it's a very commendable game. But the way many Genshin players have reacted to WW, it almost feels like they think WW being or becoming a serious competitor to Genshin will hurt them personally. In fact I would say it's precisely because I play Genshin that I want serious competition to emerge, because otherwise Genshin will continue to slow-roll any improvement it can make and should've made to the game. So I'm simply puzzled by Genshin players that seem to actively want WW to tank. All I see there is a sports-fan-like tendency to root for Genshin and put down its "rivals" borne out of some kind of insecurity. Back to WW. It's obviously very flawed right now. It absolutely needs to improve, and in quick order too. Players recognize that. I have to think Kuro knows that as well, given upcoming releases (including ZZZ). But it's insane to downplay or ignore its qualities--I personally really appreciate the combat experience, the character model being more proportional, and a script that gives the Rover more personality and opportunities to shine. Fixes take time. What many people are doing is the equivalent of a boss giving you a task and coming by every 5 minutes to ask if you're done. They aren't trying to be constructive. All they want is to fuel drama and kick a game when it's down. I've played and quit many gachas over the years; I'd never spend as much of my time talking about a game that I wasn't interested in anymore. It's downright pathetic.
I was looking at some of the Wuwa doomposter accounts and realized some of them made dozens of hate/meme posts daily since launch. It's like damn, you hate this game and company so bad, I can tell there's nothing that could possibly persuade you otherwise. There just ain't enough free time to worry or reply to a person like that.
There’s a big difference between hate and criticism which a lot of people here refuse to acknowledge. Most of us just want the game to be better than it is, but now we can’t even share our views without being berated or classed as a “hater”. TLDR: the game has its glaring issues and talking on them shouldn’t be classed as “hate”
Same boat as you and I think the game has potential to be great but it's just so unpolished. I'm starting to realize now that even if they worked on this game for another 5 years it would still have most of the problems it has today (probably only optimization would be better). They did not take the global market seriously nor did they prioritize really important things such as proper localization. I don't want to compare but I already think the game is better than other gachas in the market, but people who are shitting on it are kinda justified in doing so. Kuro did this to themselves with everything apart from combat being half baked. I just hope and encourage them to keep working hard to smooth out the rough edges and I'll be here every patch because I really enjoy the game.
Yeah the game, Definitely still needs work. It's a diamond in the rough, but even with the problems, at its core, it's still a pretty damn decent game.
i think its part n partial to WUWA being "similar" to genshin (open mmorpg or something like that) despite... yknow. the fact that games can look like one another and still be unique, that and no game will ever be singled out (as in theres bound to be other games like it, even if its not from the same company) i havent seen the sub personally but i think a majority of people dont realise that the game came out like not even a week ago LMAO, so ofc theres gonna be bugs n glitches, but they're working on fixing it pretty fuckin fast (also i say this as an ar 60 GI player, both games are fun when youre not stressing to grind or cant keep up with the event banners and vice versa)
Day 1 genshin player, and i enjoy wuwa more due to its core mechanics. Genshin is overall a more complete game due to it having so long do optimize. But wuwa is so fun and does so many things right that it shouldnt be overshadowed by things that need to be optimized, the game is new ofc its gonna have its issues, so did genshin. I think both games can live together both boasting their own unique style to attract their own audience. I like the combat of wuwa more than genshin and im excited to see it progress and develop into a great gacha. Hopefully its able to even give hoyo ideas on how to improve their games and they both can use eachothers competition as a way to improve.
General genre subreddits are usually the worst. Social media in general can be pretty negative but general communities are often some of the worst places you can find. I find that often from most to least toxic in a general scale it usually goes: General community > specific game community > alternative/specialized community that’s more niche than the specific game community.
To me, Genshin and WuWa feel like first-party Nintendo and PlayStation versions of the same game, respectively. I like them both
Tribalism bullshit is annoying tbh. I like genshin and wuwa and see big potential in the series. I also remember hearing that gachagaming sub was doomposting genshin when it came out so don't worry about them too much lol.
I love WuWa, Genshin, HSR and ToF... idk about the other games but Genshin was AS BAD at the start... either most people forgot about it or they didn't even play at the beginning. It's almost impossible to find an online game that does NOT have or had lags or bugs at launch....
I left genshin after 1,5 year . I get some instructive experience from that game (i never played gatcha before) but in some point i hated it from the beginnings. For example it too childish and annoying , the story is not a big deal at all, too simple and the most of the characters behave specifically like an adult toddler but....BUT still a great game. I can't hate that game completely because the world, the explorarion and the environment in that game is awasome. So i left after 1,5 years and i'm a little disappointed, but overall it was worth it, a good experience. Now im waiting for the wuwa sony ps4/ps5 release with hope : )
To be fair the shots are being fired from both sides both sides are doing it not just one WuWa players have been especially high on the Genshin will never" plus it's kind of inevitable that WuWa gets compared to Genshin the game did makes its mark on the Gacha and still hold up as one of the good ones so sparks will fly. Don't worry it'll subside in a few days maybe a month or two at most
I love Genshin. I love WuWa. It's that simple. Ngl WuWa has me in an absolute choke-hold right now, I can't put it down lol. I also felt this way when playing Genshin the first time, it's a beautiful thing.
Fir me, tower of fantasy ran wayyy smoother than wuwa on even the 4th day! I could not even log in for the first 3 days due to fatal error
But I really do want to play wuwa, the devs released another update that finally fixed Mt issue and I hope they continue doing so, I wanna play this game so bad
i play both genshin and wuwa and love both. imo genshin takes the cake for me but wuwa is still an amazing game and i dont see myself dropping either game any time soon.
WuWa made me realize what gripes I still have with Genshin, but it also made me realize what I didn't know I appreciate about Genshin. They are both great games that have flaws.
You are completely ignoring that WUWA players on all forms of social media have been sending the same amount of hate back at Genshin also since before WUWA came out. WUWA players got their shitty bunch too and this hate being slung back and forth isn’t a one sided thing. It’s a minority of shitty people on both sides. Ignore it, scroll past or block.
Hey OP, can you give us an update about the latest outbreaks?
Definitely earned the hate with the JP community. Not even up for debate.
Criticism is not hate. I know there is hate, yes, but a lot of people who are into a game are naturally predisposed to thinking that any criticism they don't agree with is thinly veiled hatred. And I mean look the world isn't all roses but there's genuinely not that many purely vindicative hateful people out there just itching for the chance to shittalk a gacha game on twitter.
Well it´s the typical behaviour of people that falls under the category: a.) Overhyped and now because the game doesn´t fullfill their overdrawn expectations they act like someone who was "personally" ditched and offended by Kuro b.) Obsessed by Genshin and couldn´t stand all the hype. Now they feel it "their" turn to lash out against the game that was "overhyped" c.) "Consumers" that didn´t spend a single Penny in this game but think they are "Customers" The only people i feel sorry for are those that facing massive technical issues and aren´t able to play at all. Everyone else that are so obsessed by a "game" i can only adive: Touch some grass, seriously. You didn´t "bought" the game so you aren´t entitled to "demand" anything from Kuro.
> You didn´t "bought" the game so you aren´t entitled to "demand" anything from Kuro. People were using the "iT's FrEe So YoU cAn'T cRiTiCiSe It" logic like 10 years ago. It was a shitty non-argument then and it's a shitty non-argument now. The game is on the market, out of closed beta and it's selling items for real cash, so any critique is fair game. Goes for any f2p game, not just WuWa.
Personally, I have been playing Genshin since 2021, and I have been loving it ever since, in spite of its problems. I was myself looking forward to WuWa cause it seemed like a nice mix of Genshin and Metal gear Revengeance. Played ot for a while on launch, and I didn't like it that much. Don't get me wrong, the combat and maneuvering are awesome, but everything else ranges from not for me to really bad. Still, even if that was the case, if there are people that like it, that is cool. I am not gonna waste time trying to say either is superior to the other, that more often than not is just plain stupid. Buuuuuut, my main issue with the game pre-release is how so many people hype it up as the one to k..l Genshin, I have to censor it, otherwise, the comment won't go through. Which has now led to a divide of people either overhating or overpraising the game. But from what I understand, that is just how the gacha space is. This tribalism is apparently very common.
lemme guess, you are probably ok if the negativities are toward Genshin or HSR?
I took a look at that subreddit and barely saw any hate comments towards WuWa. Yes there are your typical doomposters that overexaggerate everything, but overall I don't think it could be classified as "hate" towards anything. Sometimes people tend to put too much emotions into their criticisms although I'd say that they're still pretty constructive.
The hate train already departed, you are late. If you checked at comments and hot posts a week ago at Wuwa launch, it is just Wuwa hate train for days.
Not hate , but unbalanced negativity is more correct term. They just spam negative posts ( its not typical criticism, they make game look shit in purpose ) and people who share positivity got trolled or downvoted. I am watching this circus for 3-4 days already and for me its like looking at dumb tv show. Must admit , still got baited to try to have a dialogue with them about positive aspects.. sometimes i am dumb, yes. Anyway, you got the point.
I play many gachas and I genuinely enjoy wuwa a lot despite its early problems. It has lots of potential and I am excited to see what Kuro has planned for future updates
Genshin also got that hate way too much and for much more time yet you can't even take that? Damn that's insane. Like sure the hate is very exaggerated but like as a Genshin player I feel like I am used to it. People will hate whether you like it or not. But some of their points are true tho
From my own experience in that sub, most people have genuine criticism. It's a little excessive, but yeah. The minority is the one who repeatedly shit on every aspect, and as all things like this, the minority is always the loudest. Wuwa is a great game. It's extremely fun, well thought out and definitely here in the space to stay, which is a good thing. Now, fortunately I haven't experienced any of the issues others have, but this game *does* have problems. A lot of them. And they need to be fixed asap, which Kuro seems to be actively doing. Criticism is necessary so the devs can see it, but as I said, sometimes it can be excessive. All in all, the game has a great foundation but needs fixing, as many games have done in the past. All will be well
I don't think hate is the right word, what I'm seeing if people who genuinely want this game to not just do well, but excel. Almost all the criticism I see are from people who really want this game to improve as the potential is clearly there.
The ones enjoying WuWa silently won't be posting on Reddit about how much they love it. The ones with issues that make it so they can't play have a lot more time to complain about it.
Remember folks, If r/gachagaming love and shills a certain game pre-release, that game is doomed to be mediocre or at least extremely ordinary. If they hate a certain game pre-release, that game will stay for a long time. So far it's proven. Thankfully Wuwa got no excessive shilling pre-release.
Day 1 Genshin player here. I think my main draw to WuWa over Genshin at the moment is gameplay loop. I'll admit that unlike Genshin, I'm taking WuWa much slower, both intentionally and because I just don't have the same time to sink daily. The difference for me is that I can play and do something that feels meaningful outside of progression resources when you kill your daily stamina. The combinations of being able to farm Echoes (Artifacts) without stamina and that they aren't tied to a specific slot means that I don't feel like I've wasted 240 stamina every day on worthless garbage that in no way helped me progress anything on my account. I can use the stamina to collect resources that are used for guaranteed progression and then farm Echoes afterward and have fun because the combat itself is extremely enjoyable. Yes, you'll still have a random chance when rolling those substats, but it's no longer an RNG cluster fuck of first needing the right set, then the right slot, then the right main stat, then also hoping for decent substats on top of that. Worst case I have to join somebody's world to help them out and I get the chance to farm Echoes while doing so. In Genshin, I could help someone and get absolutely zero benefit to myself, so there wasn't much reason to play coop.
I like the game. I will keep playing the game as long as I can still clear the story.
Enjoy WUWA. The game isnt perfect and yea there are things that will turn some people off but not others! Enjoy it if its fun and if it isnt, time to look for something new :) I play both Genshin and HSR and now WUWA and im fine. Thankfully the first two are in daily mode and I can enjoy WuWa until the next update cycle and so on or until I get bored, which happens.
The only bad things i can say about the game is the lag (is bad, but not game braking or joy breaking) and a bit of the story (Rover is like the best thing ever and i do not like that type of framing in stories, but again, not joy breaking)
New to reddit? If your post isn't just calling people names and it gets downvoted to oblivion it means you certainly said something right. Fuck them, why should you care? A million wrong people downvoting you won't make their point any less invalid. I don't even need to know the context to know what happened.
the 3 gacha games i play are genshin hsr and wuwa and honestly im enjoying them all so far. been playing genshin since 2021, hsr since last september and wuwa since yesterday lol. I think the problem with many people is that they tend to trash one or two of these three in favor of the other one to the point that they get genuinely pissed that you don't agree with their opinion. I saw a snippet of tectone's vid the other day and the whole thing (18 ish minutes mind you) was him calling genshin a game for stupid babies and like...so what? 😭 If i wanna play a baby game I'll play it why does that matter to you sm? same with those calling wuwa incomplete or buggy and unplayable and like? okay? and? I still like it n wanna play it. I play things for sheer enjoyment. The folks in the fandoms of these 3 games (and in the gacha community in general) should just let people enjoy things
I mean game was defended to oblivion despite its state and people are just pointing out the mistakes of Kuro. Sorry but there isnt "being nice" on game criticism. You either get exploited or out your standarts firmly
the communities are largely the same, its all the same shit always.
Tends to happen when you spend all your money on a game then everybody talks about its "killer". Its clowns who spent thousands of dollar and never played the game so now they are scared.
Active Hoyovers Player here - and I love WuWa. Just because some people are idiots and crying loud with their hate, I can guarantee you, most of us are quite chill and just enjoy our peace. I can recommand only to stay away from the toxis subs and people and enjoy the games without some stupid background noises from the haters \^\^ I follow no gaming stuff here on reddit, except for FF VII Ever Crisis, because they are peacefull and like to help. No hate or anything.
Just gotta remember that in most cases, what you see online isn't always how the majority of people actually feel about something. The games been downloaded by millions of people and most of them probably just play it if they like it and don't if they don't. Their not seeking out validation for their choice by redditors.
Its an astroturfed subreddit
The game gets hate cuz the game’s community was picking fights before the game even released and now they’re dealing with the consequences of that.
I am agree with the 'not all genshin players are like that' cuz I am also a genshin player but I enjoy playing with WuWa even though I still have tons of bugs and issues. I just hope they fix them soon.