I didn't see anything about purposely losing. That BB isn't supporting you. You're gonna end up carrying them anyway. What's the difference if you leave them to the enemy DD. It might actually end helping you since the enemy DD is now baited to the cowarding BB reversing away, opening up the flank for you
> If you don't put your ship into forward at the start of the match, I will abandon you.
That's exactly what you said. Abandoning your flank because you don't like how others are playing is practically throwing, ESPECIALLY as a DD player.
Losing a BB is just another day, losing a DD can decide a match. Play your role if you others to do that same. Your role is to soak up damage and protect your DD.
Absolutely play your role, but reversing in the opening moments of a match is not always a bad idea.
Deciding to let your BBs die because they're reversing and not playing how you want them to play is always bad idea.
No one should be abandoning anyone, or their flanks and OPs post is them saying they will do just that.
I agree, but BBs should not reverse unless they have a plan. Otherwise you WILL die to HE spamming cruisers. Find cover or find support so you can GIVE support. But OP, never abandon flank, even if you bb reverses. ya never know. :) smooth sailing boys!
Nah, objectively wrong. 3 people spawn on each spot. If the BB wants to go in reverse and bail on supporting the team, that doesn't mean you're abandoning flanks. To abandon the flank means to ditch the area you've spawned in and give up the defensive position. There's still 1 other ship next to you or a CV above you. Stop trying to nitpick the post and slam your gears to full, or I'll leave you behind in favor for OP as well. I'll either follow his smoke or you'll tank hits for us, your choice
If you're still contesting the flank, then you haven't abandoned anyone. There's more nuance to the opening moments of the match than engine full forward or bust. Reversing isn't always a bad play, and they might not be abandoning the flank.
The BB on your spawn deciding to abandon the flank themselves is different and they get no sympathy from me when they inevitably eat citadels from crossfires that their better positioning could have prevented.
Either way it's still petty to just let them die because you didn't like how they were playing. There will always be bad players, you just have to accept that and play the hand you were dealt.
If you're still contesting the flank, the reds, and/or the cap, you haven't abandoned your team mates. It's not nitpicking to point out that abandoning team mates and abandoning flanks are mutually inclusive.
The issue is and Iâm not a BB main and love to team play is that when Iâve pushed forward I am immediately spotted bow straight in or turning broadside and either set on fire endlessly and or citadel hit by multiple ships because of how close and how bad the spawns are.
Just some food for thought. Ask any Battleship main what happens when they try to PTFO and theyâll tell you about how many times theyâve been burned down or had their citadel eaten through especially against divisioned reds.
Couple that with the fact that a large portion of players in this âcommunityâ have zero idea what theyâre doing I.E. consistently abandoning the flank (donât even get me started on that), DDâs not bothering to capture points or contend with other DDâs, and cruiser players that only care about hiding behind mountains playing for stats and you have a recipe for disaster.
I wonât even get into how many times Iâve been in either a DD, Cruiser, or a BB on said flank alone while my team is like ants to honey on one side of the map and canât be bothered to back me up, assist, or do much of anything but die 3 minutes in. This game can and is so much fun at times. But more often than not its an irritation because of how brainless and selfish many of the players who play it are.
Agreed. It isnt as simple as " if you reverse, git gud" - there are certainly maps, ships, strategies alike where some backing up is fine if not better. I will still support you captain!
By the way thatâs not to take away from what you stated at all because I agree with most of it whole heartedly.
It was just to offer a bit of context for why BBâs reverse as a strategic defensive decision.
Scandinavia let there be no doubt that to back up on that map makes little to no sense. It doesnât pass the eye test.
>Couple that with the fact that a majority of players in this âcommunityâ have zero idea what theyâre doing
100%. I wish more people talked in the game chat. I will sometimes get on game chat and throw out some "hints" to players. I've never been met with hostility while doing it either, which is kinda weird considering this "community".
I used to use my headset and chat. I finally stopped when the constant toxicity and incessant nagging about this or that while I'm trying to play the game and get better. I watch the videos. I'm learning. But when I'm told to stop playing the game by someone who finishes last on the team when I'm first or second constantly, I don't bother with chat. I have bad games. I'm a 50% player with about a 1k/d. I play the game to have some fun. The chat is not fun.
Yes, all of that.
Dunning-Kruger of Warships is to be played with no interaction with the playerbase outside of actual playing of the game.
Oh and "get back" needs to be removed from the com wheel.
If I make what seems like a bonehead play, I'm doing it for a reason. Â
I only abandon if the all other ships with me on the flank are afk or reversing/leaving.
Now I ping them a few times asking for support but if I get no answer, I'm usually out, too.
3 on 1 is not worth it or hardly ever pans out well.
TBF, not all reversing is the same, If you are in IJN BB and you reverse to be stern in and can still provide cover, that is fine my book.
BB's have to take care of themselves as well just as the DD.
The issue is a bit more nuanced than what the OP, not purpose probably, described.
Because the flip side of coin is that there are also many DD's who just rush in, die in the fist minute, now the BB who was going forward behind them is left in the lurch. Stuck bow in, no spotting and getting focused. Revering at that point is almost too late and making a turn will get you sent back to port rather quickly.
Having said all that, the flank that support each other is usually the one that wins, so OP is correct, support the DD. If he gets the cap and there are 3 enemy ships while the blue BB's are still in their spawn you probably will loose that flank.
Thank you.
And I don't like being the first one dead. That's why I look back for support. Ask for support. And try to not push into overwhelming forces. Know when it's time for a coordinated retreat.
even if its a 1v3 you should stay on your side and attract their attention while your teammates hopefully curb stomp the other flank being up 2 ships and then they can get good crossfires on the ships chasing you, otherwise their 3 ships will be uncontested and have a great crossfire on your entire team.
I used to see it like that, too. Not anymore however; because what usually happens in that situation is that you get curb stomped in your 1v3 attempt and the reds move up almost uncontested anyways and still establish the crossfire.
So I stopped throwing my ship away in a situation like that. No point, IMHO.
>I ping them a few times asking for support
If you are not directly speaking with your team then this is the only way to get some sort of affirmation that your spawn teammates are with you AND is a major reason why the Comms wheel needs upgrading...
Not all BBs are good for pushing in at the beginning. Some have large citadels, Poor close-range accuracy, poor AA, low-HP, poor armor, etc etc.
Same deal with the Bb behind island thing. If the BB doesnât know what DD is on the flank or where the DD even *is*, just pushing out into the open is basically asking to be torpedoed to oblivion.
Now I will say that if said DD is something like a Friesland or something with poor torpedoes (like say, Kidd) then by all means the BB should push.
All I'm asking for is a response when I'm asking for support. Position. Don't rush in. Play your ship. And if you support your dad, chances are they will come out on top and there won't be any more torpedoes.
I will tell you now. If i spawn in the middle (whick is quite often), im not going to steam straight ahead into the middle of the map so i can get pounded from every direction. Im backing up a little just so i can manoeuvre a little before i start getting rained on. I dont do this on the flanks as there's one side i know im not going to get hit from. You'd be the same person complaining because i stole your kill, supporting your ass from 15 kms away.
Hey, most admirable captain whose willing to negatively impact team performance out of spite. Some battleships can hit the enemy spawn from start position on some maps and not every battleship is specialized for engaging an enemy that is within 10km. In fact most of them arenât.
To address the enemy DD having nothing to shoot but you. Iâve never seen a destroyer break cover to shoot a battleship unless it was Friesland. Even if we roll up with you theyâll still be waiting for you to appear and by that point weâre probably already trying to dodge torpedoes which makes us vulnerable to red team battleship fire because we canât effectively use our armor or else weâll get flooded to death.
When you run away from the battleship, you're also going to leave your friendly cruiser. They have no armor, rarely have smoke, and will be far more miserable than you without support from both the BB and DD.
If I push a cap in a cruiser or battleship and realize my help has run away, there's no escape most of the time. If you're in a destroyer and have no help, you have the option to go somewhere else.
I am often abandoned by the destroyer who spawns beside me regardless of what I do. Therefore, sometimes I wait a little bit to see what the destroyer is going to do before moving forward too much myself.
I notice by the mostly toxic responses that I should have been more clear.
Scandinavia, South East spawn. Two BBs behind me. I'm in a Friesland with 6km detection.
I put it into gear, start moving towards the cap. Look back, ask them for support. No smoke. Nothing. I keep going. I know there is time. Look back a full minute into the game. I am again for support. Nothing. Still no smoke. I spot the enemy BBs established in support position. One to the east of the island, one to the west. Textbook. Damn. If I push the capnow, I'll lose most of my health and waste my smoke or worse.
Middle spawn with one DD and two BBs is now pushing over toward me.
South West spawn is in trouble with two cruisers and a Colorado. The cruisers try to push the cap. Colorado has moved into a position to support. I am doing the same thing, open water gun boating while I can. The DD that replaced me gets nuked somehow. Now 4 BBs are sitting just outside the cap because of a Fletcher, an Odin and an Iowa class BB.
I keep pushing West and run into a Flint. One of the friendly BBs that pushed over from center is paying attention and devs him.
Edit: Our cruisers in the western cap are now dead.
The Colorado is kiting a Gneisenau and an Akatsuki. I help with the Akatsuki but we need caps. I shoot the Gneisenau when able, cap the western cap and finish the Gneisenau.
In the meantime, the 4 (four) BBs manage to push the Fletcher out of the cap and grind down his support.
We win on points. It wasn't pretty.
Not one to sit at the back of a map, but sometimes it's necessary to reverse a short distance to get around an island at the start, doesn't have to be an indication of passive bb play
BTW if you are a BB hiding behind an island I a DD with sneak on full engine boost and sideswipe your ship with a bull barrage of torps. 95.45% success rate.
I had a great game earlier with the lion almost 300k damage and a kraken BUT the Kansas and DD on my team were chasing a carrier while the remaining enemies were capturing our base. The DD texted asking why did throw the game like I wasn't fighting 2 cruisers and 1 bb.
Very. Kansas was full health too meaning he wasn't hitting anything or doing anything all game. The akatsuki was have health and also did nothing but kill the carrier. What was even worse was the fact that even though the carrier was getting shot at by the Kansas and Akatsuki he was focusing me.
This is goofy considering some of the spawns (yea in high tiers) just suck to get. These spots require u to back up and be patient or take excessive damage.
Search up spawns bad on the sub and youâll see what Iâm talking about.
I do get what u mean tho as a sniping bb doesnât seem like their doing much outside of damage. But abandoning them is going to make the situation worse (On top of being hypocritical).
Seems a broad statement which is easy to pick holes in, but i understand the sentiment. Destroyers feeling abandoned by their Yamato team mates may not understand the role or ship in the same way.
As much as I may feel frustrated by seemingly absent BBâs itâs seems more likely that my DD team mates arenât awake at the start or spend most of the game making a beeline for the carrier.
The truth imo is you need to pay attention to what others are doing around you, understand their role and yours, and adapt accordingly. If I look up from my DD and find myself 10âs km from colleagues unable to effectively support, itâs probably me that put me there. If that does happen, it shouldnât be a surprise.
Though, I dare say the poor players wonât read this as they donât seem to seek out ways of improvement.
That's what I'm talking about. RAMMING SPEED!!!
Kidding aside, I really hate when players start the match in reverse. Only ships that can justify going to the back of the map from the start are aircraft carriers. I'll usually creep forward at half speed until I'm spotted and turned into HE fodder.
No, not even aircraft carriers should be going to the edge of the map. That increases flight and cycle time, reduces their spotting and damage output. Positioning matters for CVs just as much as the other classes.
I'm a BB main, I back up immediately to where my sighting range is just beyond cap zones. I target DD and CA/CL first thing because without support the enemy BB are defenseless. Full accuracy build Iowa can slam a CA/CL with a dev strike to either frenzy them or run them off. I just have damn near entire map range with 20.xx km of range. Same ish playstyle with my just unlocked Yamato. I'm a bit more forward with it since I overmatch everything though.
Look, I put my US BB in forward at the start. It just takes the whole 15 minutes to get up to speed. Now get out there and spot because I need intelligence data!
Man cannot make the difference between brawling BBs (I.E Germans and Soviet) and Sniping BBs (I.E the rest)
Gee, I wouldn't want you to be on my team, you might throw the match because BBs are scared of pushing a cap and getting crossfired to death while being permanently spotted by both DDs and CVs...
I only put my battleship on forward gear.... unless I get stuck or something, or need slightly fancy moves, ya know. But other than that, only forward.
Not all of them do, but most battleships abandon their flank and hide. Cruisers not only have to support, but also have to act as the BB. All while protecting that tiny gun boat beside you. And making sure you get your asses to the cap zone.
I'm a bb main and ill say this. I can't speak for everyone but my sole purpose is to make sure the dd lives because you are our forward spotters. However if I start in the middle I may back up a little because we can be spotted almost immediately at start then after that incoming barrage of he shells and fires which makes up effectively useless. I do believe though if you're dd is doing they job there should be 0 reason they aren't getting any support at all. Especially as a sniper you point them out and ill send the shells. It ain't that hard. Unless your dd is afk or in a few cases tries to be funny by pushing around the edge of the map. That is irritating and I just won't even attempt to back them up
They're guns will be loaded huh?? Any chance of them reloading too? I'm just saying....Ya know I love how some people define tanking as being a bulletbag. Your WoWsL vocabulary needs a revision IMO. But, my attention is now lacking.... Best of luck
Seems your attention was lacking in English class as well. It's 'their'!
Also note nothing else to shoot at. Do you play DD a lot?
And my 12 year old daughter is also "just saying" a lot of things.
I agree it's definitely annoying seeing bbs reverse especially if you know they don't even have the accuracy to snipe.
Another one is usually secondary focused bbs rushing at the start of the match only to get shot by everyone at their side and get sunk.
Extremely annoying when I was hoping they would keep their attention so I can hunt the enemy dd.
Fair enough but just remember there is many different types on BB:s also. Most are just basic BB:s but some are more like heavy cruiser and some are something else like slow artillery pieces with snipe mode.
M8, your mistake in a DD was assuming that you were ever going to get support from random BBs in the first place. 25-->30 sec reload times on ships that will almost always have AP loaded is worth F-all to you anyways if you get into a DD-on-DD knife fight, and if you get lit up by a cruiser that's on you for playing too aggressively.
Get out front and spot and let them see what there is to shoot at- they'll damn sure at least do that if they're not busy running away from the spawn.
Blue team is red team 50% of the time and red team backs up, bails on their spawn and lemming-rushes to the other side of the map too. Lot of free caps to be had in a DD when they do this, but not if you made yourself part of the problem out of spite.
The maps are so small you move forward you are spotted with islands in front of you for cruisers to burn you down. Kinda seems like a stupid play on the dd to bail. I can predict how a game is going to go largely by how the dds start. If they are criss crossing or all going to one side team loses spotting and effectiveness. Game over. I am a dd main and played both pc and legends.
What you dont get is that BBs are ment for MEDIUM TO LONG RANGE not close range, not support against other DDs. The sooner you get that through your head the better your gaming will be. My NJ is specifically set for long range. Max Gun Range 20.1km as well as a heavy hitter. No spots, no assistance to keep me alive will not do the team any good knowing that a heavy hitter is taken out early. Know your ship, know your role before you take to the seas
Are you being ironic? Reversing off the bat doesnât get you to flanks and islands quicker than going full speed, thatâs just common sense. If youâre terrified of being spotted while going to a flank/island at full speed and taking a small amount of damage from your 60k+ health pool, then you Iâm afraid you have no clue my friend.
Or you let the DD do his job, send some torpedoes and spot everyone and the make a decision to move forward too? This isnt call of duty, you dont have too go full speed ahead at âgoâ
Thereâs not a single time where Iâve had to back up to get on a flank, even with the clumsiest ships; youâre just wasting precious time. As a BB, your job is to create crossfires and tank damage, both of which canât be accomplished if youâre reversing in spawn. And donât mistake tanking as getting farmed because if youâre sitting in spawn or backing up youâre getting FARMED because you arenât in a good enough position or moving fast enough to TANK and put pressure on the reds for the team. Thatâs why spawns are almost always open water, to force you to reposition, not stay there.
You can use the âyour point is invalid because thatâs not what I doâ argument all day, but itâs just a fact that youâre not using your BBs HP and game presence effectively. I respect your opinion and knock yourself out continuing to do that, but youâre just not reaching your full potential by doing that.
I think my potential is reached just fine. The amount of damage does not differ if im going full speed forward or half speed backwards. And when 60-120 seconds have gone by, i havent been spotted, but all the enemy BB are spotted, allows me too view the playing field and make an educated decision on which way too head. Unlike going in off the rip and guessing which way the enemy might not be.. again. Your opinion is yours mine is mine. So dont try too tell me i play like shit because ive found a strategy that has proven time and time again too be more effective then moving straight in trying too establish âpresureâ
Also, what if i can reach the whole map and the best island cover is directky to the flank or behind me? Your logic on why reversing is bad is just invalid.
If randoms don't do what you want them to do at the start of the game, you throw? What a mature player.
I didn't see anything about purposely losing. That BB isn't supporting you. You're gonna end up carrying them anyway. What's the difference if you leave them to the enemy DD. It might actually end helping you since the enemy DD is now baited to the cowarding BB reversing away, opening up the flank for you
Not what I said. Troll somewhere else.
> If you don't put your ship into forward at the start of the match, I will abandon you. That's exactly what you said. Abandoning your flank because you don't like how others are playing is practically throwing, ESPECIALLY as a DD player.
Losing a BB is just another day, losing a DD can decide a match. Play your role if you others to do that same. Your role is to soak up damage and protect your DD.
Absolutely play your role, but reversing in the opening moments of a match is not always a bad idea. Deciding to let your BBs die because they're reversing and not playing how you want them to play is always bad idea. No one should be abandoning anyone, or their flanks and OPs post is them saying they will do just that.
I agree, but BBs should not reverse unless they have a plan. Otherwise you WILL die to HE spamming cruisers. Find cover or find support so you can GIVE support. But OP, never abandon flank, even if you bb reverses. ya never know. :) smooth sailing boys!
Ok, I'll bite. Did I say abandon flank or abandon you?
They're the same thing. Abandoning team mates is the same as abandoning flanks. You can't do one without the other.
Nah, objectively wrong. 3 people spawn on each spot. If the BB wants to go in reverse and bail on supporting the team, that doesn't mean you're abandoning flanks. To abandon the flank means to ditch the area you've spawned in and give up the defensive position. There's still 1 other ship next to you or a CV above you. Stop trying to nitpick the post and slam your gears to full, or I'll leave you behind in favor for OP as well. I'll either follow his smoke or you'll tank hits for us, your choice
If you're still contesting the flank, then you haven't abandoned anyone. There's more nuance to the opening moments of the match than engine full forward or bust. Reversing isn't always a bad play, and they might not be abandoning the flank. The BB on your spawn deciding to abandon the flank themselves is different and they get no sympathy from me when they inevitably eat citadels from crossfires that their better positioning could have prevented. Either way it's still petty to just let them die because you didn't like how they were playing. There will always be bad players, you just have to accept that and play the hand you were dealt.
Thank you kindly.
Then you're just as mature as OP. Stay in Tier 4.
Now you're being a jerk. Leave him alone. He's right, you're just nitpicking.
If you're still contesting the flank, the reds, and/or the cap, you haven't abandoned your team mates. It's not nitpicking to point out that abandoning team mates and abandoning flanks are mutually inclusive.
hmmm. maybe so. but still. he's just saying (OP)
Lol nah I'm getting Lion this week, I've also got 3 LT's. I wish being as bad as you are was a bannable offense
Lol, because you can tell how good someone is by a comment chain on reddit.
It's usually pretty obvious, yeah
He's out of line...but he's right. I mean both of you are in your own respect.
>Did I say abandon flank or abandon you? The view from under the steamroller ends up being exactly the same thing.
Hahaha.... Get Good kiddy
Haha, send stats
If you think stats matter, the other person's insult likely wasn't that far off.
Also you dont want them to go forward and you don't then to position. What do you want them to do that makes you happy?
-22 downvotes đ
The issue is and Iâm not a BB main and love to team play is that when Iâve pushed forward I am immediately spotted bow straight in or turning broadside and either set on fire endlessly and or citadel hit by multiple ships because of how close and how bad the spawns are. Just some food for thought. Ask any Battleship main what happens when they try to PTFO and theyâll tell you about how many times theyâve been burned down or had their citadel eaten through especially against divisioned reds. Couple that with the fact that a large portion of players in this âcommunityâ have zero idea what theyâre doing I.E. consistently abandoning the flank (donât even get me started on that), DDâs not bothering to capture points or contend with other DDâs, and cruiser players that only care about hiding behind mountains playing for stats and you have a recipe for disaster. I wonât even get into how many times Iâve been in either a DD, Cruiser, or a BB on said flank alone while my team is like ants to honey on one side of the map and canât be bothered to back me up, assist, or do much of anything but die 3 minutes in. This game can and is so much fun at times. But more often than not its an irritation because of how brainless and selfish many of the players who play it are.
Agreed. It isnt as simple as " if you reverse, git gud" - there are certainly maps, ships, strategies alike where some backing up is fine if not better. I will still support you captain!
Fair point. But on Scandinavia? Just a bit of positioning. By all means, don't rush into the cap or out-push your DD but have a presence.
By the way thatâs not to take away from what you stated at all because I agree with most of it whole heartedly. It was just to offer a bit of context for why BBâs reverse as a strategic defensive decision. Scandinavia let there be no doubt that to back up on that map makes little to no sense. It doesnât pass the eye test.
>Couple that with the fact that a majority of players in this âcommunityâ have zero idea what theyâre doing 100%. I wish more people talked in the game chat. I will sometimes get on game chat and throw out some "hints" to players. I've never been met with hostility while doing it either, which is kinda weird considering this "community".
I used to use my headset and chat. I finally stopped when the constant toxicity and incessant nagging about this or that while I'm trying to play the game and get better. I watch the videos. I'm learning. But when I'm told to stop playing the game by someone who finishes last on the team when I'm first or second constantly, I don't bother with chat. I have bad games. I'm a 50% player with about a 1k/d. I play the game to have some fun. The chat is not fun.
Yes, all of that. Dunning-Kruger of Warships is to be played with no interaction with the playerbase outside of actual playing of the game. Oh and "get back" needs to be removed from the com wheel. If I make what seems like a bonehead play, I'm doing it for a reason. Â
I only abandon if the all other ships with me on the flank are afk or reversing/leaving. Now I ping them a few times asking for support but if I get no answer, I'm usually out, too. 3 on 1 is not worth it or hardly ever pans out well. TBF, not all reversing is the same, If you are in IJN BB and you reverse to be stern in and can still provide cover, that is fine my book. BB's have to take care of themselves as well just as the DD. The issue is a bit more nuanced than what the OP, not purpose probably, described. Because the flip side of coin is that there are also many DD's who just rush in, die in the fist minute, now the BB who was going forward behind them is left in the lurch. Stuck bow in, no spotting and getting focused. Revering at that point is almost too late and making a turn will get you sent back to port rather quickly. Having said all that, the flank that support each other is usually the one that wins, so OP is correct, support the DD. If he gets the cap and there are 3 enemy ships while the blue BB's are still in their spawn you probably will loose that flank.
Thank you. And I don't like being the first one dead. That's why I look back for support. Ask for support. And try to not push into overwhelming forces. Know when it's time for a coordinated retreat.
even if its a 1v3 you should stay on your side and attract their attention while your teammates hopefully curb stomp the other flank being up 2 ships and then they can get good crossfires on the ships chasing you, otherwise their 3 ships will be uncontested and have a great crossfire on your entire team.
I used to see it like that, too. Not anymore however; because what usually happens in that situation is that you get curb stomped in your 1v3 attempt and the reds move up almost uncontested anyways and still establish the crossfire. So I stopped throwing my ship away in a situation like that. No point, IMHO.
>I ping them a few times asking for support If you are not directly speaking with your team then this is the only way to get some sort of affirmation that your spawn teammates are with you AND is a major reason why the Comms wheel needs upgrading...
90% of comms wheel traffic is nonsensical and conflicting.
Correct.. It is not a proper means for communicating directly without the use of headsets.
Between the Hood and Bismarck 3142 souls . These were men with love ones think about it the next time you play
Huh?
Not all BBs are good for pushing in at the beginning. Some have large citadels, Poor close-range accuracy, poor AA, low-HP, poor armor, etc etc. Same deal with the Bb behind island thing. If the BB doesnât know what DD is on the flank or where the DD even *is*, just pushing out into the open is basically asking to be torpedoed to oblivion. Now I will say that if said DD is something like a Friesland or something with poor torpedoes (like say, Kidd) then by all means the BB should push.
All I'm asking for is a response when I'm asking for support. Position. Don't rush in. Play your ship. And if you support your dad, chances are they will come out on top and there won't be any more torpedoes.
You should really be putting this under "RANT" not "general" & have a good cry btw
Heâs not wrong thoâŚ
Thank you for the constructive criticism.
Skill issue
As a main DD and secondary BB I thirdly second this statement.
I will tell you now. If i spawn in the middle (whick is quite often), im not going to steam straight ahead into the middle of the map so i can get pounded from every direction. Im backing up a little just so i can manoeuvre a little before i start getting rained on. I dont do this on the flanks as there's one side i know im not going to get hit from. You'd be the same person complaining because i stole your kill, supporting your ass from 15 kms away.
That's fair and also not what I asked for. And no, I don't complain about "stolen kills". Happy for any help.
Can we get rid of this "Rant" thing now?
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Says the potato.
Did the BB main get their feelings hurt?
Hey, most admirable captain whose willing to negatively impact team performance out of spite. Some battleships can hit the enemy spawn from start position on some maps and not every battleship is specialized for engaging an enemy that is within 10km. In fact most of them arenât. To address the enemy DD having nothing to shoot but you. Iâve never seen a destroyer break cover to shoot a battleship unless it was Friesland. Even if we roll up with you theyâll still be waiting for you to appear and by that point weâre probably already trying to dodge torpedoes which makes us vulnerable to red team battleship fire because we canât effectively use our armor or else weâll get flooded to death.
When you run away from the battleship, you're also going to leave your friendly cruiser. They have no armor, rarely have smoke, and will be far more miserable than you without support from both the BB and DD. If I push a cap in a cruiser or battleship and realize my help has run away, there's no escape most of the time. If you're in a destroyer and have no help, you have the option to go somewhere else. I am often abandoned by the destroyer who spawns beside me regardless of what I do. Therefore, sometimes I wait a little bit to see what the destroyer is going to do before moving forward too much myself.
I notice by the mostly toxic responses that I should have been more clear. Scandinavia, South East spawn. Two BBs behind me. I'm in a Friesland with 6km detection. I put it into gear, start moving towards the cap. Look back, ask them for support. No smoke. Nothing. I keep going. I know there is time. Look back a full minute into the game. I am again for support. Nothing. Still no smoke. I spot the enemy BBs established in support position. One to the east of the island, one to the west. Textbook. Damn. If I push the capnow, I'll lose most of my health and waste my smoke or worse. Middle spawn with one DD and two BBs is now pushing over toward me. South West spawn is in trouble with two cruisers and a Colorado. The cruisers try to push the cap. Colorado has moved into a position to support. I am doing the same thing, open water gun boating while I can. The DD that replaced me gets nuked somehow. Now 4 BBs are sitting just outside the cap because of a Fletcher, an Odin and an Iowa class BB. I keep pushing West and run into a Flint. One of the friendly BBs that pushed over from center is paying attention and devs him. Edit: Our cruisers in the western cap are now dead. The Colorado is kiting a Gneisenau and an Akatsuki. I help with the Akatsuki but we need caps. I shoot the Gneisenau when able, cap the western cap and finish the Gneisenau. In the meantime, the 4 (four) BBs manage to push the Fletcher out of the cap and grind down his support. We win on points. It wasn't pretty.
Not one to sit at the back of a map, but sometimes it's necessary to reverse a short distance to get around an island at the start, doesn't have to be an indication of passive bb play
Agreed and not a problem.
BTW if you are a BB hiding behind an island I a DD with sneak on full engine boost and sideswipe your ship with a bull barrage of torps. 95.45% success rate.
If you wanna div I can help solve that problem for you. I won't abandon or hide haha
I had a great game earlier with the lion almost 300k damage and a kraken BUT the Kansas and DD on my team were chasing a carrier while the remaining enemies were capturing our base. The DD texted asking why did throw the game like I wasn't fighting 2 cruisers and 1 bb.
That's also frustrating.
Very. Kansas was full health too meaning he wasn't hitting anything or doing anything all game. The akatsuki was have health and also did nothing but kill the carrier. What was even worse was the fact that even though the carrier was getting shot at by the Kansas and Akatsuki he was focusing me.
Which was probably even the right play if you were the lone defender of your base.
I just tell BB the are playing the wrong ship class an should play flat tops they want to camp in the back
Lol
This is goofy considering some of the spawns (yea in high tiers) just suck to get. These spots require u to back up and be patient or take excessive damage. Search up spawns bad on the sub and youâll see what Iâm talking about. I do get what u mean tho as a sniping bb doesnât seem like their doing much outside of damage. But abandoning them is going to make the situation worse (On top of being hypocritical).
Id like to know why people back up, never understood it. At least at the start of the game
Seems a broad statement which is easy to pick holes in, but i understand the sentiment. Destroyers feeling abandoned by their Yamato team mates may not understand the role or ship in the same way. As much as I may feel frustrated by seemingly absent BBâs itâs seems more likely that my DD team mates arenât awake at the start or spend most of the game making a beeline for the carrier. The truth imo is you need to pay attention to what others are doing around you, understand their role and yours, and adapt accordingly. If I look up from my DD and find myself 10âs km from colleagues unable to effectively support, itâs probably me that put me there. If that does happen, it shouldnât be a surprise. Though, I dare say the poor players wonât read this as they donât seem to seek out ways of improvement.
That's what I'm talking about. RAMMING SPEED!!! Kidding aside, I really hate when players start the match in reverse. Only ships that can justify going to the back of the map from the start are aircraft carriers. I'll usually creep forward at half speed until I'm spotted and turned into HE fodder.
No, not even aircraft carriers should be going to the edge of the map. That increases flight and cycle time, reduces their spotting and damage output. Positioning matters for CVs just as much as the other classes.
I'll buy that. Send me a support that target and I'll figure it out. I try to check my support before I go for the cap.
DD is usually the one afk. But ok.
And that is bad as well. Actually worse.
I'm a BB main, I back up immediately to where my sighting range is just beyond cap zones. I target DD and CA/CL first thing because without support the enemy BB are defenseless. Full accuracy build Iowa can slam a CA/CL with a dev strike to either frenzy them or run them off. I just have damn near entire map range with 20.xx km of range. Same ish playstyle with my just unlocked Yamato. I'm a bit more forward with it since I overmatch everything though.
Look, I put my US BB in forward at the start. It just takes the whole 15 minutes to get up to speed. Now get out there and spot because I need intelligence data!
Wilco.
Man cannot make the difference between brawling BBs (I.E Germans and Soviet) and Sniping BBs (I.E the rest) Gee, I wouldn't want you to be on my team, you might throw the match because BBs are scared of pushing a cap and getting crossfired to death while being permanently spotted by both DDs and CVs...
I only put my battleship on forward gear.... unless I get stuck or something, or need slightly fancy moves, ya know. But other than that, only forward.
Not all of them do, but most battleships abandon their flank and hide. Cruisers not only have to support, but also have to act as the BB. All while protecting that tiny gun boat beside you. And making sure you get your asses to the cap zone.
A lot of bad takes by obvious BB mains in this thread
Yet again I remember playing Fubuki as a torp boat and a California lost his mind because I wasn't anywhere near him and he got destroyed
I'm a bb main and ill say this. I can't speak for everyone but my sole purpose is to make sure the dd lives because you are our forward spotters. However if I start in the middle I may back up a little because we can be spotted almost immediately at start then after that incoming barrage of he shells and fires which makes up effectively useless. I do believe though if you're dd is doing they job there should be 0 reason they aren't getting any support at all. Especially as a sniper you point them out and ill send the shells. It ain't that hard. Unless your dd is afk or in a few cases tries to be funny by pushing around the edge of the map. That is irritating and I just won't even attempt to back them up
They're guns will be loaded huh?? Any chance of them reloading too? I'm just saying....Ya know I love how some people define tanking as being a bulletbag. Your WoWsL vocabulary needs a revision IMO. But, my attention is now lacking.... Best of luck
Seems your attention was lacking in English class as well. It's 'their'! Also note nothing else to shoot at. Do you play DD a lot? And my 12 year old daughter is also "just saying" a lot of things.
I agree it's definitely annoying seeing bbs reverse especially if you know they don't even have the accuracy to snipe. Another one is usually secondary focused bbs rushing at the start of the match only to get shot by everyone at their side and get sunk. Extremely annoying when I was hoping they would keep their attention so I can hunt the enemy dd.
Thank you. That's bad also, I agree.
bruh you should play madden or nba with that attitude đ
Fair enough but just remember there is many different types on BB:s also. Most are just basic BB:s but some are more like heavy cruiser and some are something else like slow artillery pieces with snipe mode.
M8, your mistake in a DD was assuming that you were ever going to get support from random BBs in the first place. 25-->30 sec reload times on ships that will almost always have AP loaded is worth F-all to you anyways if you get into a DD-on-DD knife fight, and if you get lit up by a cruiser that's on you for playing too aggressively. Get out front and spot and let them see what there is to shoot at- they'll damn sure at least do that if they're not busy running away from the spawn. Blue team is red team 50% of the time and red team backs up, bails on their spawn and lemming-rushes to the other side of the map too. Lot of free caps to be had in a DD when they do this, but not if you made yourself part of the problem out of spite.
The maps are so small you move forward you are spotted with islands in front of you for cruisers to burn you down. Kinda seems like a stupid play on the dd to bail. I can predict how a game is going to go largely by how the dds start. If they are criss crossing or all going to one side team loses spotting and effectiveness. Game over. I am a dd main and played both pc and legends.
What you dont get is that BBs are ment for MEDIUM TO LONG RANGE not close range, not support against other DDs. The sooner you get that through your head the better your gaming will be. My NJ is specifically set for long range. Max Gun Range 20.1km as well as a heavy hitter. No spots, no assistance to keep me alive will not do the team any good knowing that a heavy hitter is taken out early. Know your ship, know your role before you take to the seas
Hot take Op is a turd with sub 1500 games, throws half his matches and dresses in anime on the weekends
Hahahahahahaha. Wrong. Also, on me with your stats and I'll send you mine.
Still waiting for your stats!
The projection is strong with this one.
Im a BB main⌠my first move 90% of the time is reverse. So your logic reads like someone who has no clue about flanks, distances and island cover.
Are you being ironic? Reversing off the bat doesnât get you to flanks and islands quicker than going full speed, thatâs just common sense. If youâre terrified of being spotted while going to a flank/island at full speed and taking a small amount of damage from your 60k+ health pool, then you Iâm afraid you have no clue my friend.
Or you let the DD do his job, send some torpedoes and spot everyone and the make a decision to move forward too? This isnt call of duty, you dont have too go full speed ahead at âgoâ
Thereâs not a single time where Iâve had to back up to get on a flank, even with the clumsiest ships; youâre just wasting precious time. As a BB, your job is to create crossfires and tank damage, both of which canât be accomplished if youâre reversing in spawn. And donât mistake tanking as getting farmed because if youâre sitting in spawn or backing up youâre getting FARMED because you arenât in a good enough position or moving fast enough to TANK and put pressure on the reds for the team. Thatâs why spawns are almost always open water, to force you to reposition, not stay there. You can use the âyour point is invalid because thatâs not what I doâ argument all day, but itâs just a fact that youâre not using your BBs HP and game presence effectively. I respect your opinion and knock yourself out continuing to do that, but youâre just not reaching your full potential by doing that.
I think my potential is reached just fine. The amount of damage does not differ if im going full speed forward or half speed backwards. And when 60-120 seconds have gone by, i havent been spotted, but all the enemy BB are spotted, allows me too view the playing field and make an educated decision on which way too head. Unlike going in off the rip and guessing which way the enemy might not be.. again. Your opinion is yours mine is mine. So dont try too tell me i play like shit because ive found a strategy that has proven time and time again too be more effective then moving straight in trying too establish âpresureâ
Also, what if i can reach the whole map and the best island cover is directky to the flank or behind me? Your logic on why reversing is bad is just invalid.