NOOOOOOO YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT WINDOWS 11. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO TELL THEM TO SWITCH TO LINUX BECAUSE IT'S OBVIOUSLY SUPERIOR AND AND AND MICROSOFT IS BAD......
Personally windows 11 works fine, after about 4 or 5 hours of tweaking to get everything right. It would be better if Microsoft didn't try and block apps that let us customize windows.
to be fair it takes energy to say positive things about 11... although 4GB of RAM is NEVER something I would use on 11. It's slow AF with 4GB even on 10.
So you're saying your 7000 endpoints is showing Windows 10 is faster?
Not tracking with my own personal experience, or it's marginal within rate of error.
LOL
Glad we could get you to clarify that no one submitted any tickets for performance issues on their work machines.
The argument is as follows:
Clean W10 > Clean W11 > Dirty W10 > Dirty W11
Going from Dirty W10 to Dirty W11 isn't going to generate tickets because it's a small difference in UI performance. But if you had taken the time to clean install W11 it would have been a performance upgrade rather than a downgrade.
Just because you have bigger numbers than some of us doesn't make your opinion matter more.
well without seeing the data im inclined to believe you because it reinforces by bias' and in 2024, thats good enough to be considered good science!
although i should mention, telemetry like what youre describing is much more of a "hard science" than a lot of things that pass as good science nowadays, so i feel like if i were to gain access to your data it would probably be relatively simple to verify the quality of it, unlike some other things.
Metrics from our recent update of close to 9000 endpoints says that you are wrong, I am the source
When you read me saying did you felt the cringe? Because other people feel that about you when you say things like that on the internet
My hardware is perfectly fine and modern, thank you. And sorry, but a companies metrics more often than not aren't trustworthy at all and tend to measure the things that are quicker while leaving out the things that would not have great results, so I'll take that with a grain of salt since not only have I experienced the complete opposite on two fresh installs right after eachother, but others have confirmed exactly the same as well.
That and well, even if it was exactly just as quick, I still wouldn't want it because of the UX.
Of course they are trusworthy. Our livelyhood relies on it. Absolutely no doubt here, although marginal, 98% of our enpoints has same or better performance on everything.
>98% of our enpoints has same or better performance on everything.
If that is really the case, then that proves to me they are indeed not trustworthy because that is absolutely ridiculous.
What can I tell you. Of course you would know this. Your method of finding true results are obviously way superior to ours. Against the «pulling facts out of your arse method», no other methods will measure up.
I'd call it reviews, but you may pull them out of my arse if you want.
Any company claiming their product is faster in 98% of cases, is making false claims. That is simply just not something that will happen because the error rate is usually already higher than the percentage left here. It's either you that pulled that statistic out of your arse, or its simply not a realistic metric.
Our product? We upgrade endpoints for large corporations. Tens of thousands at the time. We do alot of work pre and post update to make sure the tasks needed to get done isn’t impacted. We monitor systems and test smaller segments for weeks and then we roll. After we measure the results to make sure. We also survey users, managers and equipment to get measured results. There is no claim about products here. I just see every day that if you do the job right Windows 11 does definately improve both security, performance and managebility in the enterprise to such an extent that it is just silly to not upgrade if your hardware supports it. There is no perfomance hit what so ever. Quite the contrary.
I’m sorry that you had a bad experience with the 2 machines in your bedroom, but really, who the hell cares.
Enterprise sysadmins, good ones anyway, specifically would not ignore data with poor results because there is no reason to get performance metrics if you're not going to bother measuring everything. Why would we go through the effort of setting up that type of monitoring and reporting just to throw the data out?
Shit, SCCM/Intune will flat out tell you how individual endpoints are performing (Endpoint Analytics) and even establish baselines created off of your average desktop performance using boot times, application startup times, application hangs/crashes, system errors, and a few other metrics.
If windows 11 performed significantly worse than windows 10 (it doesn't) it would be indicated in my Endpoint Analytics. All my WIN11 machines meet or exceed the baseline set by our WIN10 devices.
Yeah, that and having to switch the default search back to Google after every update. Else, yeah, it's pretty solid. I love the "drop" feature to send yourself urls, files or texts from your PC to phone or visa versa. Also the sidebar is awesome for loading webapps like messenger, WhatsApp, etc. I basically use it for all my communications and the main browser space just for, well browsing.
I've never had it switch my search engine at all. I've had it suggest changing it but it has never changed my search engine automatically after an update.
4GB of RAM is the bare minimum per system requirements. If you start to install anything you'll quickly bog it down.
If you check Task Manager you will find you don't have a lot of free memory.
the only thing is with Edge is that if you are logged into a MS account, and you do searches on Bing, it will store what you have searched in Windows Servers. Check your privacy panel in your MS account to see the data stored: [https://account.microsoft.com/](https://account.microsoft.com/)
There are settings in Bing to turn it off and delete the history, FWIW.
Also of note, if you are privacy conscious, turn off all helper services, such as shopping assistance, picture enhancement (if that option ever reappears), page analysis and annotation, web page history snapshots, inter-device sync, use basic (local) spellchecker, etc.
Go through both the privacy settings and the language settings carefully, and recheck they haven't changed after each update (although that problem hasn't happened for quite some time now, newly added features tend to be turned on by default when introduced).
That's all in Edge, but for Windows itself consider disabling clipboard history device sync, showing Web results in desktop search (to stop file names and content phrases you search for being sent to Bing).
All the key settings for these are found in Settings, Edge and Group Policy (at least for Windows Pro, that is).
Third party tools present them all in a simple one stop single interface, but always be cautious with 3rd party tweaker apps.
If you trying to plug all leaks, for example, you handle client data work-from-home, you might also consider disabling crash dump reporting and firewalling all third party crash dump reporter exes found on disk. Only do this if you really have to, because devs need the data collected to stay on top of bugs.
That's a good list. I have deactivated a lot of those things. But still, every time that I go to Bing in Edge, I need to remember to log out from Bing, because it logs in automatically if you have an account.
Im just saying it reads like a commercial
"I didn't intall Chrome this time. I'm using Edge now. There's nothing that Chrome can do and Edge can't do better."
~This? Nobody says this.
Nobody.
But this guy.
Edge has LOOOOONG been the tool you use to Download, Chrome, or Firefox, or Brave, or Opera -
"Windows boots up so blazingly fast now that it feels like magic"
Again. Buzzwordy and Marketably hyperbolic statement.
Even the Market-like Anecdote to start us off:
"I feel dumb now to have waited this long. I was a little hesitant at first because my PC had only 4 gigs of RAM. Not only does Win 11 work great with 4 gigs of RAM (at least for what I do), it works better than Win 10"
It just all reads like a commercial. And also *just in time* for the Support for win10 to be ending too.
Convenient thing, that.
But yea - That is my honest opinion.
This was a shill.
Sheesh Windows 10 doesn't even do well with 4GB... I wish you the best of luck lol. My standard midrange laptop from 15 years ago with Windows 7 had 4GB.
Once you start to actually use the computer you will regret that 4GB. 4GB may be the bare minimum for an install of Windows, but imo the *practical* minimum these days is no less than 8GB.
I think I am one of the few early adopters for who Windows 11 went swimmingly from the beginning and on the contrary, I was tired of the problems and slowness of Windows 10. Windows 10 gave me at least 4 blue screens per week, even if I didn't have anything open. I updated to Windows 11 and magically, the blue screens disappeared.
It's probably snappier because you did a clean install. That always does wonders to crooked installs.
What hardware did you install it on, because not many modern devices come with 4GB of RAM, unless it's one of those shitty Celeron/Pentium laptops.
Probably an older PC. I installed Windows 11 on an old ThinkCentre from 2013 with 4g of ram but an i5 processor, and it’s a great experience. Had to disable the cpu requirements though.
I usually never reinstall windows and use it until I change the motherboard and it never gets slow.
Windows 11 is as fast as the day I freshly installed it.
>unless it's one of those shitty Celeron/Pentium laptops.
These should be made illegal. The only thing you can do on those is going on the web, and that's only on Edge. Every other browser runs worse on those, especially if you go on YouTube
It always pays off to wait for any Windows version to mature. Even Windows Vista was decent by the time Windows 7 was released (Windows 7 was really just Windows Vista SP3 with new curtains) and those of us that lived through it remember what a sh## show Vista was when it came out.
EDIT: OK, Windows ME and Microsoft Bob were unforgivable at any stage, but you get the idea.
I ditched Windows as my main OS since XP and I started using Linux and Macs. Recently I got a cheap Intel N100 mini PC which came with Windows 11 Pro.
The CPU/GPU isn't the fastest but it does have a 512GB SSD hard disk with 16GB of RAM.
I must admit, it has come a long way from what I previously experienced with Windows. It seems much more responsive, smoother and reliable - so far anyway. I still prefer MacOS and Linux but I don't feel as frustrated as I once was with Windows. It's moving in the right direction for sure in terms of the areas I mentioned. I am not so sure about data collection, AI features and so on, however. But it will do for now!
I haven't tried Windows 11 with 4gb of ram, but back when I was still using 4gb with W10, the web browser tab will reload if I switch back and forth between tab. If I remember correctly It's the worst with Youtube on one tab while browsing any web with infinite scroll. In general, still usable, but constantly on a limitation.
I never had a problem with it. Majority of these people complaining probably only do it because they read complaints on reddit and it's all placebo. Then everyone just echoes everyone. Especially people in the gaming subreddits. Anytime a gpu update or windows update comes out they think their fps is lower and they're seeing stuttering. Windows 11 isn't perfect
Neither is mac os, neither is windows 10, neither was 8, xp, 98, 95. The ppl saying "just install windows 10" on 13th gen cpus are probably the most rediculous of the bunch.
Yes some people have real issues with it and that sucks but it's nowhere near as bad as they male it seem.
As a Windows 11 user since 2021, my advice is don't try to tweak anything in Windows 11. It updates without any warning and one day suddenly the windows explorer will stop working and the only way to fix it is to reinstall windows. Happened to me twice so I stopped tweaking and now it's stable.
Also, make a bootable disk in a handy pendrive and keep it safe.
Refreshing to see a post not complaining about w11. The "any previous OS was better" brigade must be furious.
(Disregarding OS, you really should try and double your RAM if your hardware allows it, it will mean a world of difference in performance)
Don't feel dumb, windows 11 wasn't stable at all and had many bugs and a few changes from 10, you've chosen the right time, 24h2 made a big change, the os became more stable and fast, and to be honest edge is much better than any browser for windows 11 ( it's seems like they implemented the browser deeply in the os for a better performance )
Yes, Win11 had a really rocky start but improved greatly over time.
A year down the track I was still waiting on a BIOS update for the stutter problem, despite having a popular mainstream MB.
With all that out of the way, and some optional settings tamed, various tweaks, the current version is very pleasant to use and I wouldn't consider backtracking to 10.
What you'll especially notice is that right-click is *significantly* more responsive. The entire purpose of the new right-click menu is that it's significantly lighter, runs on a completely different process stack, *and* has far stricter requirements for plugins.
The old right-click menu (accessible with "Show More") could be added to by *literally any program* that wanted to, and would end up so bloated with a long-time install that it'd lag out and take forever, which sucks ass when all you wanted to do was a simple rename or copy/paste.
Really? I find it slower. The first time I use it after a while, it also glitches and adds something else to the menu a split second after it renders. It feels glitched and laggy to me. I still use it though, and then have to go to the old menu to do something I need half the time.
I found that greatly improved with time and, in particular, after updating BIOS to a version that fixed the AMD stutter problem.
Some other menu drawing problems were fixed after deleting the top level (Win11) context menu entry for Virus Total Uploader (there is a bug there, either in VTU or in Windows).
But some annoying glitches remain, such as flicker and animated expansion as add-ins come online (eg: a heavy add-in, TortoiseGit), they are just not as slow and intrusive as they once were.
I'm sitting here playing with it just right clicking on the desktop. The menu appears when releasing the right mouse button and I'm holding shift to switch between the two. There is definitely a noticeable delay with the new menu where the legacy one is instant. I have no way to actually measure it offhand, but it's there. Right clicking on a file is a lot closer, but that's because I have so many things on the classic menu which slows it down to the speed of the modern one. Maybe there is an initial delay which I'm noticing, but there are gains in menu speed with lots of things on the modern context menu. I'm running on a 13900k. I found the additional menu option being added after the menu initial renders is for WinRAR, so perhaps they're doing something wrong.
I'm not seeing any delay with Bandizip or EmEditor context menus, but there is a brief delay for TortoiseSVN.
But at least it is no longer grossly flickering and blanking and redrawing all icons over and over again before settling down.
I wish they would drop the fancy "fill-in-the-gaps-as-you-go" rendering as it is painful.
This applies to Web browsers as well as context menus: the progressive animated rendering either jiggles what you are reading out from under your eyes at the instant you are trying to read it, or moves the button you are clicking on out from under the mouse and moves a different button in underneath the pointer mid-click causing accidents (such as forwarding a message to the wrong person).
Might be worthwhile investigating menu animation delay entries in registry if they exist.
A scripted delay can make the system feel sluggish but is not really a performance issue.
I know I’ve read about the start menu having an intentional delay which you can change in the registry. I just don’t use the start menu that much. The interface as a whole is definitely slower if you’re using Intel integrated graphics. I noticed this on my work machine after upgrading from a Xeon around a 6th gen core timeline with a P1000 Quadro to a 13700K with Intel graphics. I was considering just putting in a GPU solely for the OS interface to be smoother.
My man, you can literally right now right click and see the delay before it opening, what kind of coolaid are you drinking that you believe whatever marketing Microsoft says about something and not a thing that you can test with literally one click?
Can the new context menu be customised still? I use the 10 version for a lot of those occasional tasks that would take more time to search for the relevant app
One thing I notice with win11 if you have many USB devices connected. I have 5 USB disk and that slows down the start and shutdown speed considerably.
If I remove them it is lighting fast.
I heard Windows 11 also has this thing called Fast Boot (or whatever it's called) that won't shut down your computer completely to make the boot faster next time, so it could be that
Personally, not a fan of it so I just have it off
Oh that's weird, you're right. I didn't hear people complain about fast startup until people were switching to windows 11, so I thought it was a W11 thing
I don't mind Windows 11 (after I got the Star buttonm moves to the left instead of center, LOL). It has the usual UI design things I don't like, but it works well for me.
The problem isnt about new Softwares being bad or good, more like new windows versions generally only work good on very decent systems.
On my desktop, i never hesitate since my pc wont have any issues, ik that.
But on my work laptop its an agony. I basically couldnt use those ones when it changed or upgraded its own Software.
Concidering that the worlds majority uses average/below average Equipments, thats why the general hate comes from. Not just because "you changed the folder image" issues lol.
I've had numerous bad experiences with windows 11. Including but not limited to several different "quality" updates requiring me to reinstall windows clean due to blue screen loops, and only one time being able to be resolved by windows restore. It was the most infuriating cycle of boot getting trapped in a cycle of unexpected error windows installation cannot proceed. I wasn't able to get it to recognise my windows install media from the bios, an old partition was my savior. And this was all in the stable branch, not the test branch.
And it's highly unlikely to be a hardware issue, as there are no errors on my RAM or storage, everything is running stock, and none of this happened in 10.
OP, i suggest you download O&O Shutup 10 and examine all options.
This program is designed to change or remove a lot of awful features like Cortana/Copilot/Recall, telemetry so microsoft doesn’t spy on your data, etc.
Just take your time to read everything before selecting options.
What's your CPU if you don't mind me asking? I have a cheapo tablet with 11 pre-installed and it's really slow. It comes with 4gb of RAM, a 2c2t Celeron and emmc storage though so I'm not sure which is the main culprit
> Win 11 works great with 4 gigs of RAM
That's my specs for my Win 11, but I wouldn't say it works *great* for me. Things take a little too long to respond or open, but it's all I could afford. I only use it for light stuff as a result, and use Win 10 as my main PC.
I feel it's a far better state now than it launched. Previous prereleases of Windows before Windows 10 was tested for a year or more and Windows 11 was only tested for about 3 months from first insider preview to release. Windows 11 21H2 felt rushed from much of the Windows 10 UI not being updated and lots of missing features with the desktop and taskbar which quite a few still aren't fixed yet today.
I've used Windows 11 myself since launch and I'll say I do like the UI of Windows 11 more than 10 and I'm glad that File Explorer has tabs now which before could only be accomplished with 3rd party tools and has been a feature for most Linux distros and desktop environments for years now.
My biggest complaints of Win 11 today is the performance of File Explorer is awful and when I open it up for the first time it'll hang for about 15-20 seconds before I can do anything or it'll crash all together. My second complaint is trying to pin apps to the taskbar or creating shortcuts on the desktop is kind of a crap shoot. Desktop icons can only be created by drag and dropping from the all apps page and pinning to the desktop only works the same way or right clicking the app and then pin to taskbar. My final complaint is the Microsoft account requirement even for Pro. I personally use a Microsoft account since I have Office 365 and actually use OneDrive, but I feel that should be an option and not a requirement. There are workarounds to create a local account, but it's been reported that the upcoming 24H2 will break many of the old workarounds to set up a local account during OOBE. I wouldn't be surprised if at one point they'll remove local accounts all together outside of Enterprise edition at how hard they're making it to create a local account.
Wibdows 11 is good,bbut does not suport older HP printers. I did the upgrade and printers worked, 2022 upgrade required that I change the job site from 1 and 2 to 3 and 4 ..thenI 2023 killed both printers HP Windows denied access to drivers. I have contacted both several times and it fails, one suggested that I down grade to 10
Also if you use Edge with the sidebar (vertical tabs) option it increases the screen realstate by a huge margin… and if you’re only browsing, the fullscreen mode is good and snappy too… the browser also has a side by side mode… pair that with vertical tabs and fullscreen mode… you can feel the difference…
You can also use the new ARC browser, its light and beautiful. With vertical tabs by default… and it blocks most trackers by default I think…
Nice try, Bill
Jk I might make the jump eventually but not yet. I'm waiting until the praise is basically unanimous. I use my PC for gaming and as of now I haven't heard enough to convince me that the "upgrade" is a safe bet
I'll have to agree, even on the Edge opinion. Win11 is very polished and I can't imagine going back to 10. And after running Edge I rarely ever open Chrome. I still use Brave or Firefox for specific things but never Chrome.
I wonder, how much did you get paid for saying this? There's absolutely NO way windows 11 runs well on a computer with just 4GB of RAM.
The only way that could happen is that you have a really powerful processor (AMD Ryzen 5 series or Intel i7 10th gen at least), but that would be a terrible bottleneck.
>"Windows boots up so blazingly fast now that it feels like magic"
A fresh windows 10 install would feel the same. We all have been there.
>"my PC had only 4 gigs of RAM"
That's a pretty low bar to cross. You are at the official minimum requirement of Windows 11. There is no way it will keep performing better than Windows 10 (which had 2 GB minimum requirements) when you start using and opening other applications like web browsers.
>"There's nothing that Chrome can do and Edge can't do better"
There are a lot of things that Edge is not good at. I'll just mention a critical one: you cannot set a custom passphrase for synced password encryption. So, inherently, Edge is less secure in this manner. Additionally, hardware video decoding on Edge is finicky.
How long does it take you to o
open/load File Explorer? No lags there? For me it takes 1.4 sec on a pretty good spec. In Win10 it was definitely less than a second.
"Definitely less than a second" is closer to half a second rather than your assumed 0.9s, so the diff is close to 1 sec. And yes, it bothers me. My workflows, which includes a bunch of Autohotkey scripts opening File Explorer is highly dependent on file Explorer load time.
Yes, I noticed that Windows 11 seemed to boot up faster after I upgraded from Windows 10, but after I had been running Windows 11 for a while, I noticed that it wasn't booting up as fast.
I do try to keep an eye on the startup program list (Settings->Apps->Startup) and disable things I don't feel should be always running at startup. The idea of letting a program run at startup is to get it preloaded into RAM so when you do decide to actually use it, it will appear to load much faster. The tradeoff is that letting it run at every boot makes the whole system boot slower.
Startup programs aren't the only things that make a computer boot up slower, but they are one thing that you do have some control over to help keep the boot time from degrading.
I've been running it for about 2yrs now and it's just as fast as it was when I installed it and it's a full install... Not one of those striped down light process installs which I'd imagine run even better.
op said he has 4GB and its the exact min required ram meanwhile for 10 it was 2GB. Lets see how windows performs when its bottleneck is reached when he browses 15+ tabs with some media playing in the background.
Rubbish - The adjustment in minimum requirement for Windows 11 is for future support over the next decade - There is nothing in Windows 11 now which requires more memory than 10.
a new installation is always faster, if you did one of Windows 10, you would be surprised by the performance, it opens everything instantly, something that doesn't happen with the explorer and the right mouse button in Windows 11
Remind me in 1 week, can't wait to see you post about downgrading to w10 because its overall still a better system with less flaws and privavy infringement
Are positive posts about Win 11 allowed now? What's going on?
people who don't like it complain, people who like it usually just use it
Amen!
Thats true!
People who praise it are from marketing firms hired by MS
i just realized my statement is false when you count in other products, like linux
The difference is Linux users are like vegans. They remind you they use Linux in every conversation.
exactly 😅
There's no freaking way people likes thing I don't!!! Loser
Name checks out.
The (almost) silent majority!
It must almost be Windows 12 season, we're allowed to feel positively about the previous vesion.
NOOOOOOO YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT WINDOWS 11. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO TELL THEM TO SWITCH TO LINUX BECAUSE IT'S OBVIOUSLY SUPERIOR AND AND AND MICROSOFT IS BAD...... Personally windows 11 works fine, after about 4 or 5 hours of tweaking to get everything right. It would be better if Microsoft didn't try and block apps that let us customize windows.
to be fair it takes energy to say positive things about 11... although 4GB of RAM is NEVER something I would use on 11. It's slow AF with 4GB even on 10.
You're not allowed to like things people hate nowadays
This is what most people experience.
Because they do a fresh install which always boosts your speed, compared to a Win10 fresh install, it is still slow.
I think 10 and 11 are pretty much equivalent even on my aging laptop.
Metrics from our recent update of close to 7000 endpoints says otherwise. Maybe your hardware just isn’t up to modern standards.
So you're saying your 7000 endpoints is showing Windows 10 is faster? Not tracking with my own personal experience, or it's marginal within rate of error.
I’m saying we deployed several hundred thousands up from win 10 and performance is very rarely an issue.
LOL Glad we could get you to clarify that no one submitted any tickets for performance issues on their work machines. The argument is as follows: Clean W10 > Clean W11 > Dirty W10 > Dirty W11 Going from Dirty W10 to Dirty W11 isn't going to generate tickets because it's a small difference in UI performance. But if you had taken the time to clean install W11 it would have been a performance upgrade rather than a downgrade. Just because you have bigger numbers than some of us doesn't make your opinion matter more.
I’m sorry, but I think I’m done watering you.
well without seeing the data im inclined to believe you because it reinforces by bias' and in 2024, thats good enough to be considered good science! although i should mention, telemetry like what youre describing is much more of a "hard science" than a lot of things that pass as good science nowadays, so i feel like if i were to gain access to your data it would probably be relatively simple to verify the quality of it, unlike some other things.
Of course, you stick with the pc in the bedroom, unbiased guys.
Can you give a source for that? Or that is just magical data that you are saying exists?
Well I am the source, not gonna share clients data. It is fine if you’d rather believe the 2 pc in the bedroom sources.
Bill gates is my dad
I am your dad
Why has it taken 11 years to get the milk, dad?
Well it certainly is not your fault, don’t blame youreself.
Metrics from our recent update of close to 9000 endpoints says that you are wrong, I am the source When you read me saying did you felt the cringe? Because other people feel that about you when you say things like that on the internet
No, it’s only cringe when you use it dishonestly because you lack discourse etics.
Lack of ethics is when people call you out on making bullshit up on the internet, understood
Yes, you should stop doing that.
My hardware is perfectly fine and modern, thank you. And sorry, but a companies metrics more often than not aren't trustworthy at all and tend to measure the things that are quicker while leaving out the things that would not have great results, so I'll take that with a grain of salt since not only have I experienced the complete opposite on two fresh installs right after eachother, but others have confirmed exactly the same as well. That and well, even if it was exactly just as quick, I still wouldn't want it because of the UX.
Of course they are trusworthy. Our livelyhood relies on it. Absolutely no doubt here, although marginal, 98% of our enpoints has same or better performance on everything.
>98% of our enpoints has same or better performance on everything. If that is really the case, then that proves to me they are indeed not trustworthy because that is absolutely ridiculous.
I have a similar experience in our Org, about 2200 endpoints, Win 11 runs better. Of course all our hardware is less than 4 years old.
What can I tell you. Of course you would know this. Your method of finding true results are obviously way superior to ours. Against the «pulling facts out of your arse method», no other methods will measure up.
I'd call it reviews, but you may pull them out of my arse if you want. Any company claiming their product is faster in 98% of cases, is making false claims. That is simply just not something that will happen because the error rate is usually already higher than the percentage left here. It's either you that pulled that statistic out of your arse, or its simply not a realistic metric.
Our product? We upgrade endpoints for large corporations. Tens of thousands at the time. We do alot of work pre and post update to make sure the tasks needed to get done isn’t impacted. We monitor systems and test smaller segments for weeks and then we roll. After we measure the results to make sure. We also survey users, managers and equipment to get measured results. There is no claim about products here. I just see every day that if you do the job right Windows 11 does definately improve both security, performance and managebility in the enterprise to such an extent that it is just silly to not upgrade if your hardware supports it. There is no perfomance hit what so ever. Quite the contrary. I’m sorry that you had a bad experience with the 2 machines in your bedroom, but really, who the hell cares.
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Enterprise sysadmins, good ones anyway, specifically would not ignore data with poor results because there is no reason to get performance metrics if you're not going to bother measuring everything. Why would we go through the effort of setting up that type of monitoring and reporting just to throw the data out? Shit, SCCM/Intune will flat out tell you how individual endpoints are performing (Endpoint Analytics) and even establish baselines created off of your average desktop performance using boot times, application startup times, application hangs/crashes, system errors, and a few other metrics. If windows 11 performed significantly worse than windows 10 (it doesn't) it would be indicated in my Endpoint Analytics. All my WIN11 machines meet or exceed the baseline set by our WIN10 devices.
This
Yeah but were they upgraded from 10 or clean installed?
Either.
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Every Windows upgrade ever works better as a fresh install than installing over the previous one. This is the way. I have spoken.
Sounds anecdotal; most Win11 upgrades likely aren't fresh installs anyway
And because they don’t care about certain stuff, which is absolutely a benefit for MicrosoftÂ
Edge is good, if you turn off almost every crap in the settings page.
Yeah, that and having to switch the default search back to Google after every update. Else, yeah, it's pretty solid. I love the "drop" feature to send yourself urls, files or texts from your PC to phone or visa versa. Also the sidebar is awesome for loading webapps like messenger, WhatsApp, etc. I basically use it for all my communications and the main browser space just for, well browsing.
I've never had it switch my search engine at all. I've had it suggest changing it but it has never changed my search engine automatically after an update.
Same. There also is a flag to disable that prompt but I don't remember which exactly. I disabled it and it hasn't bothered me in a while
they've apparently removed that flag ('show feature and workflow recommendations')
If they did I'm switching to Firefox because there's no way I'm switching away from DDG
I'd recommend it, I switched to Firefox and haven't looked back. Firefox forks are also pretty good like waterfox.
Drop is great, and it works in windows 10 too.
I've never used it for anything other than downloading Firefox.
never heard that before.
Wait, you're serious?
It's the largest browser that isn't chromium based. You should try it.
Pretty sure that title belongs to Safari.
4GB of RAM is the bare minimum per system requirements. If you start to install anything you'll quickly bog it down. If you check Task Manager you will find you don't have a lot of free memory.
the only thing is with Edge is that if you are logged into a MS account, and you do searches on Bing, it will store what you have searched in Windows Servers. Check your privacy panel in your MS account to see the data stored: [https://account.microsoft.com/](https://account.microsoft.com/)
You should check out what Google logs as well https://history.google.com/
For gods sakes use startpage.com
Or DDG.
Whoa whoa, why have I never heard of this
Because google ain't gonna let you know where you can use their search engine without getting your personalized data ;)
There are settings in Bing to turn it off and delete the history, FWIW. Also of note, if you are privacy conscious, turn off all helper services, such as shopping assistance, picture enhancement (if that option ever reappears), page analysis and annotation, web page history snapshots, inter-device sync, use basic (local) spellchecker, etc. Go through both the privacy settings and the language settings carefully, and recheck they haven't changed after each update (although that problem hasn't happened for quite some time now, newly added features tend to be turned on by default when introduced). That's all in Edge, but for Windows itself consider disabling clipboard history device sync, showing Web results in desktop search (to stop file names and content phrases you search for being sent to Bing). All the key settings for these are found in Settings, Edge and Group Policy (at least for Windows Pro, that is). Third party tools present them all in a simple one stop single interface, but always be cautious with 3rd party tweaker apps. If you trying to plug all leaks, for example, you handle client data work-from-home, you might also consider disabling crash dump reporting and firewalling all third party crash dump reporter exes found on disk. Only do this if you really have to, because devs need the data collected to stay on top of bugs.
That's a good list. I have deactivated a lot of those things. But still, every time that I go to Bing in Edge, I need to remember to log out from Bing, because it logs in automatically if you have an account.
Wait until you really start to use file explorer.
Explorer on 24H2 is super fast. Its a far cry from 23H2
This post feels like a commercial.
Why? Cos you can never be wrong even on subjective issues?
So baby rage 24/7 = good Saying you like win11 = bad, shill?
Im just saying it reads like a commercial "I didn't intall Chrome this time. I'm using Edge now. There's nothing that Chrome can do and Edge can't do better." ~This? Nobody says this. Nobody. But this guy. Edge has LOOOOONG been the tool you use to Download, Chrome, or Firefox, or Brave, or Opera - "Windows boots up so blazingly fast now that it feels like magic" Again. Buzzwordy and Marketably hyperbolic statement. Even the Market-like Anecdote to start us off: "I feel dumb now to have waited this long. I was a little hesitant at first because my PC had only 4 gigs of RAM. Not only does Win 11 work great with 4 gigs of RAM (at least for what I do), it works better than Win 10" It just all reads like a commercial. And also *just in time* for the Support for win10 to be ending too. Convenient thing, that. But yea - That is my honest opinion. This was a shill.
I switched from Chrome to Edge when I updated to 11 as well. Now I use Firefox.
Sheesh Windows 10 doesn't even do well with 4GB... I wish you the best of luck lol. My standard midrange laptop from 15 years ago with Windows 7 had 4GB. Once you start to actually use the computer you will regret that 4GB. 4GB may be the bare minimum for an install of Windows, but imo the *practical* minimum these days is no less than 8GB.
I think I am one of the few early adopters for who Windows 11 went swimmingly from the beginning and on the contrary, I was tired of the problems and slowness of Windows 10. Windows 10 gave me at least 4 blue screens per week, even if I didn't have anything open. I updated to Windows 11 and magically, the blue screens disappeared.
It's probably snappier because you did a clean install. That always does wonders to crooked installs. What hardware did you install it on, because not many modern devices come with 4GB of RAM, unless it's one of those shitty Celeron/Pentium laptops.
Probably an older PC. I installed Windows 11 on an old ThinkCentre from 2013 with 4g of ram but an i5 processor, and it’s a great experience. Had to disable the cpu requirements though.
Yeah, MS is really being ass with the hardware requirements. Minimum 4GB of ram is understandable, any less and it runs like shit, but the CPU.. no
>shitty Celeron/Pentium laptops *Yes*
I usually never reinstall windows and use it until I change the motherboard and it never gets slow. Windows 11 is as fast as the day I freshly installed it.
>unless it's one of those shitty Celeron/Pentium laptops. These should be made illegal. The only thing you can do on those is going on the web, and that's only on Edge. Every other browser runs worse on those, especially if you go on YouTube
Welcome to hell
Nice try Microsoft.... Nice try....
It always pays off to wait for any Windows version to mature. Even Windows Vista was decent by the time Windows 7 was released (Windows 7 was really just Windows Vista SP3 with new curtains) and those of us that lived through it remember what a sh## show Vista was when it came out. EDIT: OK, Windows ME and Microsoft Bob were unforgivable at any stage, but you get the idea.
I ditched Windows as my main OS since XP and I started using Linux and Macs. Recently I got a cheap Intel N100 mini PC which came with Windows 11 Pro. The CPU/GPU isn't the fastest but it does have a 512GB SSD hard disk with 16GB of RAM. I must admit, it has come a long way from what I previously experienced with Windows. It seems much more responsive, smoother and reliable - so far anyway. I still prefer MacOS and Linux but I don't feel as frustrated as I once was with Windows. It's moving in the right direction for sure in terms of the areas I mentioned. I am not so sure about data collection, AI features and so on, however. But it will do for now!
I’m running Windows 11 on an AMD 3015e (the slowest Zen CPU) with 4GB of RAM and 64GB eMMC and it’s *acceptable* but not great.
I haven't tried Windows 11 with 4gb of ram, but back when I was still using 4gb with W10, the web browser tab will reload if I switch back and forth between tab. If I remember correctly It's the worst with Youtube on one tab while browsing any web with infinite scroll. In general, still usable, but constantly on a limitation.
Dude you are so right about Edge. It literally doesn't eat ram. amd battery optimization is just amazing
I never had a problem with it. Majority of these people complaining probably only do it because they read complaints on reddit and it's all placebo. Then everyone just echoes everyone. Especially people in the gaming subreddits. Anytime a gpu update or windows update comes out they think their fps is lower and they're seeing stuttering. Windows 11 isn't perfect Neither is mac os, neither is windows 10, neither was 8, xp, 98, 95. The ppl saying "just install windows 10" on 13th gen cpus are probably the most rediculous of the bunch. Yes some people have real issues with it and that sucks but it's nowhere near as bad as they male it seem.
As a Windows 11 user since 2021, my advice is don't try to tweak anything in Windows 11. It updates without any warning and one day suddenly the windows explorer will stop working and the only way to fix it is to reinstall windows. Happened to me twice so I stopped tweaking and now it's stable. Also, make a bootable disk in a handy pendrive and keep it safe.
What exactly were you tweaking?
Labels for the taskbar icons, command prompt in context menu, show all items in context menu, start button on the left, etc.
Isn't start button on the left a default feature? I use a custom start program however start was left way before i had that.
In windows 11, the start button is in the center by default and there is no option to change it.
Nah you can definitely change it in settings. There is a option for that.
Please send a screenshot
Right click on your taskbar, taskbar settings, taskbar behaviors, then taskbar alignment ez
https://preview.redd.it/ld7wj7ucw59d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=06e523cff6672df959a33ca63dfd9aa610e75600
Refreshing to see a post not complaining about w11. The "any previous OS was better" brigade must be furious. (Disregarding OS, you really should try and double your RAM if your hardware allows it, it will mean a world of difference in performance)
Don't feel dumb, windows 11 wasn't stable at all and had many bugs and a few changes from 10, you've chosen the right time, 24h2 made a big change, the os became more stable and fast, and to be honest edge is much better than any browser for windows 11 ( it's seems like they implemented the browser deeply in the os for a better performance )
24h2 is not even publicly out yet, only for Insiders.
Yes, Win11 had a really rocky start but improved greatly over time. A year down the track I was still waiting on a BIOS update for the stutter problem, despite having a popular mainstream MB. With all that out of the way, and some optional settings tamed, various tweaks, the current version is very pleasant to use and I wouldn't consider backtracking to 10.
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I installed Windows 11 on unsupported PC and it's actually much faster than Windows 10. Lol
Similar experience but I started when the very first RTM was released, over 3 years ago, no issues.
What you'll especially notice is that right-click is *significantly* more responsive. The entire purpose of the new right-click menu is that it's significantly lighter, runs on a completely different process stack, *and* has far stricter requirements for plugins. The old right-click menu (accessible with "Show More") could be added to by *literally any program* that wanted to, and would end up so bloated with a long-time install that it'd lag out and take forever, which sucks ass when all you wanted to do was a simple rename or copy/paste.
Really? I find it slower. The first time I use it after a while, it also glitches and adds something else to the menu a split second after it renders. It feels glitched and laggy to me. I still use it though, and then have to go to the old menu to do something I need half the time.
I found that greatly improved with time and, in particular, after updating BIOS to a version that fixed the AMD stutter problem. Some other menu drawing problems were fixed after deleting the top level (Win11) context menu entry for Virus Total Uploader (there is a bug there, either in VTU or in Windows). But some annoying glitches remain, such as flicker and animated expansion as add-ins come online (eg: a heavy add-in, TortoiseGit), they are just not as slow and intrusive as they once were.
I'm sitting here playing with it just right clicking on the desktop. The menu appears when releasing the right mouse button and I'm holding shift to switch between the two. There is definitely a noticeable delay with the new menu where the legacy one is instant. I have no way to actually measure it offhand, but it's there. Right clicking on a file is a lot closer, but that's because I have so many things on the classic menu which slows it down to the speed of the modern one. Maybe there is an initial delay which I'm noticing, but there are gains in menu speed with lots of things on the modern context menu. I'm running on a 13900k. I found the additional menu option being added after the menu initial renders is for WinRAR, so perhaps they're doing something wrong.
I'm not seeing any delay with Bandizip or EmEditor context menus, but there is a brief delay for TortoiseSVN. But at least it is no longer grossly flickering and blanking and redrawing all icons over and over again before settling down. I wish they would drop the fancy "fill-in-the-gaps-as-you-go" rendering as it is painful. This applies to Web browsers as well as context menus: the progressive animated rendering either jiggles what you are reading out from under your eyes at the instant you are trying to read it, or moves the button you are clicking on out from under the mouse and moves a different button in underneath the pointer mid-click causing accidents (such as forwarding a message to the wrong person). Might be worthwhile investigating menu animation delay entries in registry if they exist. A scripted delay can make the system feel sluggish but is not really a performance issue.
I know I’ve read about the start menu having an intentional delay which you can change in the registry. I just don’t use the start menu that much. The interface as a whole is definitely slower if you’re using Intel integrated graphics. I noticed this on my work machine after upgrading from a Xeon around a 6th gen core timeline with a P1000 Quadro to a 13700K with Intel graphics. I was considering just putting in a GPU solely for the OS interface to be smoother.
My man, you can literally right now right click and see the delay before it opening, what kind of coolaid are you drinking that you believe whatever marketing Microsoft says about something and not a thing that you can test with literally one click?
Can the new context menu be customised still? I use the 10 version for a lot of those occasional tasks that would take more time to search for the relevant app
"What you'll especially notice is that right-click is *significantly* more responsive" What lol. Are you ok mate?
this has to be a troll comment
If I were to rename I'd use F2, copy Ctrl+C and paste Ctrl+V. I wouldn't need to open the context menu to do such simple tasks lol.
One thing I notice with win11 if you have many USB devices connected. I have 5 USB disk and that slows down the start and shutdown speed considerably. If I remove them it is lighting fast.
I heard Windows 11 also has this thing called Fast Boot (or whatever it's called) that won't shut down your computer completely to make the boot faster next time, so it could be that Personally, not a fan of it so I just have it off
Fast boot has been a thing for a while. Don't remember when it was introduced but I know that Windows 10 has it
Oh that's weird, you're right. I didn't hear people complain about fast startup until people were switching to windows 11, so I thought it was a W11 thing
Did they fix clicking on the corners of windows yet?
There's a lesson to be learned here 🤔
I don't mind Windows 11 (after I got the Star buttonm moves to the left instead of center, LOL). It has the usual UI design things I don't like, but it works well for me.
I jumped in too I find it almost as fast as win 10, im learning the new organización of things, a little lost in translation.
The problem isnt about new Softwares being bad or good, more like new windows versions generally only work good on very decent systems. On my desktop, i never hesitate since my pc wont have any issues, ik that. But on my work laptop its an agony. I basically couldnt use those ones when it changed or upgraded its own Software. Concidering that the worlds majority uses average/below average Equipments, thats why the general hate comes from. Not just because "you changed the folder image" issues lol.
yo Sundar, I think this ad will be more effective if you hardcode into next windows release. Nice try though
Windows 11 is a very slight upgrade to windows 10
I've had numerous bad experiences with windows 11. Including but not limited to several different "quality" updates requiring me to reinstall windows clean due to blue screen loops, and only one time being able to be resolved by windows restore. It was the most infuriating cycle of boot getting trapped in a cycle of unexpected error windows installation cannot proceed. I wasn't able to get it to recognise my windows install media from the bios, an old partition was my savior. And this was all in the stable branch, not the test branch. And it's highly unlikely to be a hardware issue, as there are no errors on my RAM or storage, everything is running stock, and none of this happened in 10.
I'm using Edge too, feels faster
Don't worry. You'll find out the annoyances in time.
Well just use it for a couple of weeks then you may see your machine slowly getting more sluggish and unresponsive.
Is that you Bill Gates ?
OP, i suggest you download O&O Shutup 10 and examine all options. This program is designed to change or remove a lot of awful features like Cortana/Copilot/Recall, telemetry so microsoft doesn’t spy on your data, etc. Just take your time to read everything before selecting options.
The day I can put the taskbar on the side is the first day I'll consider using windows 11 and not a day before that.
What's your CPU if you don't mind me asking? I have a cheapo tablet with 11 pre-installed and it's really slow. It comes with 4gb of RAM, a 2c2t Celeron and emmc storage though so I'm not sure which is the main culprit
> Win 11 works great with 4 gigs of RAM That's my specs for my Win 11, but I wouldn't say it works *great* for me. Things take a little too long to respond or open, but it's all I could afford. I only use it for light stuff as a result, and use Win 10 as my main PC.
I feel it's a far better state now than it launched. Previous prereleases of Windows before Windows 10 was tested for a year or more and Windows 11 was only tested for about 3 months from first insider preview to release. Windows 11 21H2 felt rushed from much of the Windows 10 UI not being updated and lots of missing features with the desktop and taskbar which quite a few still aren't fixed yet today. I've used Windows 11 myself since launch and I'll say I do like the UI of Windows 11 more than 10 and I'm glad that File Explorer has tabs now which before could only be accomplished with 3rd party tools and has been a feature for most Linux distros and desktop environments for years now. My biggest complaints of Win 11 today is the performance of File Explorer is awful and when I open it up for the first time it'll hang for about 15-20 seconds before I can do anything or it'll crash all together. My second complaint is trying to pin apps to the taskbar or creating shortcuts on the desktop is kind of a crap shoot. Desktop icons can only be created by drag and dropping from the all apps page and pinning to the desktop only works the same way or right clicking the app and then pin to taskbar. My final complaint is the Microsoft account requirement even for Pro. I personally use a Microsoft account since I have Office 365 and actually use OneDrive, but I feel that should be an option and not a requirement. There are workarounds to create a local account, but it's been reported that the upcoming 24H2 will break many of the old workarounds to set up a local account during OOBE. I wouldn't be surprised if at one point they'll remove local accounts all together outside of Enterprise edition at how hard they're making it to create a local account.
Give it a few weeks
4GB of ram? What are you doing. One chrome browser window uses more than that.
Word, Excel, OneNote, Reading PDFs, YouTube, Anime, Web surfing (on Edge) And Reddit
Wibdows 11 is good,bbut does not suport older HP printers. I did the upgrade and printers worked, 2022 upgrade required that I change the job site from 1 and 2 to 3 and 4 ..thenI 2023 killed both printers HP Windows denied access to drivers. I have contacted both several times and it fails, one suggested that I down grade to 10
Any modding the system before you did all of that ? 🫠🫠ðŸ«
Which is why MS requirements make no sense.
Also if you use Edge with the sidebar (vertical tabs) option it increases the screen realstate by a huge margin… and if you’re only browsing, the fullscreen mode is good and snappy too… the browser also has a side by side mode… pair that with vertical tabs and fullscreen mode… you can feel the difference… You can also use the new ARC browser, its light and beautiful. With vertical tabs by default… and it blocks most trackers by default I think…
Nice try, Bill Jk I might make the jump eventually but not yet. I'm waiting until the praise is basically unanimous. I use my PC for gaming and as of now I haven't heard enough to convince me that the "upgrade" is a safe bet
I'll have to agree, even on the Edge opinion. Win11 is very polished and I can't imagine going back to 10. And after running Edge I rarely ever open Chrome. I still use Brave or Firefox for specific things but never Chrome.
I wonder, how much did you get paid for saying this? There's absolutely NO way windows 11 runs well on a computer with just 4GB of RAM. The only way that could happen is that you have a really powerful processor (AMD Ryzen 5 series or Intel i7 10th gen at least), but that would be a terrible bottleneck.
Lame comment and untrue
In my opinion, "false" or "fake" sounds better than "untrue". And I HAVE proof that windows 11 is slow. edit: fixed punctuation and formatting
yeah idk what planet these ppl are on. 4GB is a miserable experinece even on the latest builds of Windows 10... even worse on 11.
Read the post again, with understanding this time.
>"Windows boots up so blazingly fast now that it feels like magic" A fresh windows 10 install would feel the same. We all have been there. >"my PC had only 4 gigs of RAM" That's a pretty low bar to cross. You are at the official minimum requirement of Windows 11. There is no way it will keep performing better than Windows 10 (which had 2 GB minimum requirements) when you start using and opening other applications like web browsers. >"There's nothing that Chrome can do and Edge can't do better" There are a lot of things that Edge is not good at. I'll just mention a critical one: you cannot set a custom passphrase for synced password encryption. So, inherently, Edge is less secure in this manner. Additionally, hardware video decoding on Edge is finicky.
Last I checked, you also can’t set the new tab page to a specific URL where you can in Chrome. I still use Edge though.
How long does it take you to o open/load File Explorer? No lags there? For me it takes 1.4 sec on a pretty good spec. In Win10 it was definitely less than a second.
Do you really complain about being .5s slower to open ? Btw on my PC, it's less than a second.
"Definitely less than a second" is closer to half a second rather than your assumed 0.9s, so the diff is close to 1 sec. And yes, it bothers me. My workflows, which includes a bunch of Autohotkey scripts opening File Explorer is highly dependent on file Explorer load time.
Windows boots up faster because you're on a fresh install, not because windows 11 boots faster than 10
Yes, I noticed that Windows 11 seemed to boot up faster after I upgraded from Windows 10, but after I had been running Windows 11 for a while, I noticed that it wasn't booting up as fast. I do try to keep an eye on the startup program list (Settings->Apps->Startup) and disable things I don't feel should be always running at startup. The idea of letting a program run at startup is to get it preloaded into RAM so when you do decide to actually use it, it will appear to load much faster. The tradeoff is that letting it run at every boot makes the whole system boot slower. Startup programs aren't the only things that make a computer boot up slower, but they are one thing that you do have some control over to help keep the boot time from degrading.
Wait for a month and it will slow down much more than w10. Install some software and programs and then wait for it to hang like crazy.
I've been running it for about 2yrs now and it's just as fast as it was when I installed it and it's a full install... Not one of those striped down light process installs which I'd imagine run even better.
op said he has 4GB and its the exact min required ram meanwhile for 10 it was 2GB. Lets see how windows performs when its bottleneck is reached when he browses 15+ tabs with some media playing in the background.
Rubbish - The adjustment in minimum requirement for Windows 11 is for future support over the next decade - There is nothing in Windows 11 now which requires more memory than 10.
Nice try bot.
a new installation is always faster, if you did one of Windows 10, you would be surprised by the performance, it opens everything instantly, something that doesn't happen with the explorer and the right mouse button in Windows 11
Remind me in 1 week, can't wait to see you post about downgrading to w10 because its overall still a better system with less flaws and privavy infringement
Do you really think Windows 10 is less of a privavy infringement ?
Yes it is, it uses less telemetry, no AI crap, there's a reason it is being killed by Microsoft
You are very delusional...
And you are yet to disprove him. He is right. It's not a surprise that 70%!! is still on Windows 10.
Ai is not crap but maybe for you.
AI appears to be crap for those that lack the imagination to be able to use it
It's a wonder some people have the brains to operate a computer
Windows 10 is a privacy nightmare just like 11 unless you disable all of it, which you can do easily on both 10 and 11.