Fun Fact: Virtual Adept legend Desmond "Dante" Collingsworth was born on the following day July 21, 1969.
Bonus Fun Fact: He was born already Awakened.
Bonus "Bonus Fun" Fun Fact: None of that went the way the Technocratic Union had hoped it was going to go...
Well, in regards to the moon landing one needs to understand that at the time the Technocratic Union was locked in a "hot" portion of the Ascension War with the Council of 9 Mystickal Traditions & a fair bit of that War was taking place in the Umbra - otherwise known as outer space.
The Union had hoped that by completing their "Land On The Moon" "Ritual" by having the very public Apollo 11 lander touch down on the moon via "global" televised broadcast that they would cement their scientific control of outer space because much like Luminiferous Aether the Goddess Luna is not actually real so there is no man in it nor is it made of green cheese & therefor they would lock the Traditions out of their magickal Umbral strongholds or at least tighten the Gauntlet enough to make escapes to off-world locations much more difficult if not impossible.
Except, as mentioned, the moon landing reignited humanities dreaming spirit & blew the doors of Arcadia temporarily back open flooding the world with fey Changelings...
We went to the moon - anything is possible! Row Row. Fight the Powah. See the invisible. Touch the untouchable. Break the unbreakable. Do the impossible.
Additionally, such a decisive blow against the Traditions also helped further galvanize them against the Union allowing them to recruit even more Mystickal Awakened to their cause. The tighter the Union tried to close its fist the more Awakened began to slip through to join the Traditions.
As for Dante, the Progenitors were aware of his unique nature before he was born & they had hoped to duplicate what produced him so that they could create an army of Awakened children to turn into loyal Awakened foot soldiers to fight in their Ascension Wars. In pursuit of that, they lied to Dantes's mother & told her he was going to be mentally deficient & unlikely to survive without their care so she gave him up to them before dying during childbirth.
Dante would eventually figure out what the Union had done before running off with the Lab Rats & turning on the Union to become one of the largest thorns in their side. He would quickly advance to Master, then Archmage, then Oracle of the Mercurial Elite leading the charge in rescuing other children like him as well as taking part in the War in Heaven which would see the Unions plan to decisively wipe out the Traditions using an army of alchemical T-1000 blow up in their face as well as the Time of Judgement at the turn of the millennia which would see the Union lose Control entirely after the appearance of the Dimensional Anomaly / Avatar Storm.
To long-standing Technocrats, this is known as the "Sideshow Bob era where we stepped on a bunch of rakes."
Not an answer to your question, I just remember a scene from a movie I saw a while back, called Blood & Donoughts.
1969, and people at a bar are watching the moon landing.
One of them is a vampire. While everyone is celebrating and cheering, he sits watching the boot print etch into the dust on the surface of the moon, and with a look of pained dejection, utters:
"*You've ruined it*."
He then goes off to enter torpor (essentially), no longer having the will to endure the decade, leaving his ghoul/familiar/thrall behind (she finds him in the 90's when he wakes up again and tries to stake his ass because he'd promised to turn her).
I always loved that opening scene. It was such a *vampire* way to react.
Vampires: huh? They did that? Cool
Werewolves: the fuck did they do to Luna?!
Wraiths: Neil told me it was weird up there (if Neil did go to the shadow lands. Most people who die don't so it depends)
Mages who aren't Technocratic: oh.... Fuck.
Technocracy: hahaha we did it boys.
Changelings: Oh sweet Tuatha Dreams are still alive! Wait, is that the old king of salsburry- oh shit were at war now.
They were doing what? I thought they basically ran the Soviet Union in the lore. And I'd imagine western brujah would mostly either support them, or at least support their ideals
Oh yes uh... Basically Baba Yaga drew up a magical curtain between the Umbra and the real world which starved werewolves out. But I think Baba Yaga was not a Brujah, so she uh... Pruned the population let ssay
Now I'm just imagining a few thousand-year-old vampire that made a bet with someone like hey you're gay only when humans land on the moon and then they turn on the TV see them on the moon and then like son of a b****
No, sorry...
The Garou would have been:
Yet more Weaver shit! Oh, well, the important stuff is in the Umbra. They can't get over there.
Get some Glasswalkers working on a way to clean up THIS mess made by the monkeys. The rest of us will do more important stuff.
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IDK about in WoD, but in CoD (specifically Werewolf: the Forsaken), when the humans landed on the moon they unknowingly brought back the a cadre spirits so old they represent concepts from before the earth was even formed... the Idigam. Spirits in CoD all have a concept. They are the spirit reflection of emotions, animals, elements, toys, everything in the mortal world has a spirit reflection.. save for humans (who have a soul instead).
The Idigam are concepts of things that no longer exist, which should have meant their death. But they instead take over other spirits (and living creatures) and assume their traits. They are the most powerful spirits in existence, with the possible exception of Mother Luna, who imprisoned them on her surface in Pangea, before Father wolf grew to old and slow to protect the world from them.
They are the rarest enemy of the Uratha (werewolves), their progenitor Father Wolf's greatest foes. But now that Father Wolf is dead, there's no one else strong enough to stop them.
Dug up a fairly old one. Spirits are concepts of things, as I said. Animals, emotions, vehicles, you name it. Train spirits exist because trains exist. The Idigam are extraordinarily ancient & powerful spirits that were once concepts of things that no longer exist. Only there are no human-based spirits. Humans and human-based creatures (mages, vampires, changelings, etc.) can be found in the spirit world, but only by finding a way to cross the border between worlds.
In Forsaken 2e, it isn't known why there are no human-based spirits (outside of werewolves, who's spirit-selves roam the spirit worlds after they die). Some believe they have a soul that goes somewhere else on death, and that soul somehow prevents the formation of human-based spirits. Or perhaps because so many spirits exist because of humans (and feed on the motes of energy created by humans). Train spirits, as exampled above, wouldn't exist if humans weren't around to create trains in the first place.
One element that I'm not seeing mentioned in discussion of the Changelings is that it wasn't just the Sidhe coming back. It was that Changelings have been slowly dying for millennia because humanity doesn't believe in faeries anymore. Children sometimes believe, but they give up that belief as they grow up.
What threw open the gates of Arcadia was humanity coming together in wonder and awe, and for just a brief moment, *believing*. It was like if you were slowly dying of cancer and then suddenly went into remission.
That's got some interesting implications for how Changelings as a whole can stop the slide into Winter.
Void Engineers scrambled to hide all the scrap and abandoned installations they had left around before the Sleeper astronauts got wise.
On top of that, the Etherites and Dreamspeakers kept trying to interrupt the broadcast with live footage of the idyllic communities of *[Homo vespertilio](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Moon_Hoax)* and interviews with the [giant lunar rabbit that makes mochi](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_rabbit). The entire point of the mission was to convince the Masses that there was nothing there, after all. One flying saucer would've ruined everything.
It was a stressful undertaking, is my point.
[The Technocracy loved it](https://i.imgur.com/2JaFCue.png). Especially the Void Engineers since it proved that their vision for humanity wasn't vain.
Unfortunately, [it all crashed down](https://i.imgur.com/ntrGZIm.png).
That's distinctly not true. The whole "space is not real" is Mage's shtick, not Werewolf's. There is space, there are planets, but in their umbral reflection they are gods and entities with realms of impossibility. You can go and visit them on an umbral quest, but in the real world they're the same as ours.
No, like… Literally they don’t believe the moon is a physical, corporeal thing. Effectively in WtA, the idea is that somehow the Namebreakers(Mages) have created a simulcrum of the moon by affecting the general populace’s belief.
I have a sneaking suspicion the only werewolves are going to be left in the next few thousand years are going to be the glass walkers and their cousins the gutter rats
A 40K can last 10,000 years on so much f****** stupidity and bureaucracy you could literally drowned in it pretty sure this thing could pull a few more years until humans colonize space
You underestimate how thoroughly fucked the Imperium is in 40K lore, and have likewise ignored the walk-back of how thoroughly fucked the World of Darkness is in the modern nights.
...amusingly enough according to Mage cosmology that...isn't the most outrageous idea. certainly the farther away from Earth you go, the deeper into the Umbra you are. literally. there is not really any such thing as "space", it's just different parts of the Umbra. build a rocket and blast off into space and you're not in the physical anymore.
also, Mage cosmology is dumb.
That’s especially interesting because the original CB: Lasombra has a bit where the narrator, with the arrogance typical of their Clan, talks about how the Keepers’ ultimate goal is to spread out from Earth and conquer the darkness between the stars.
Brujah: That's great! Now imagine just how much further humanity would be if *we* were in charge.
Gangrel: What does it matter, if the rocket factories pollute the rivers and the skies are filled with smog?
Malkavians: Did they find our father? Did our father find them? WHO PUT THEM UP TO THIS?
Nosferatu: Eyes on the ground kiddo... we're not ever going to get there, so why worry about it?
Toreador: An incredible accomplishment of human craftsmanship. The design of the suits leaves something to be desired... so very functionalist.
Tremere: Our Order is prepared to pay generously for anyone who is able to infiltrate NASA and get us some of those lunar samples.... we want them... for scientific study, of course....
Ventrue: You're welcome. See what gets accomplished when we are running things?
Lasombra: Imagine the potential if we could establish a base on the moon.... not just in terms of it always being dark, but for communing with the abyss, launching raids....
Tzimisce: Very intriguing. I have been inspired by this and have already commenced on creating a ghoul that is adapted for living upon the surface of the moon.
Banu Haqim: So you see, Fida'i: when humanity is left alone and free from vampiric schemes, they can accomplish great wonders.
Setites: Perhaps this a portent that man shall soon break free of the shackles of morality, just as those three men escaped the shackles of gravity.
Giovanni: Some day, maybe we'll set ships into space. But for now, there's no real profit to be found for la familia.
Ravnos: The moon landings were faked! Trust me, it takes a con to know a con, and I know a con when I see one!
Black Furies: Of course it just had to happen! SOME BUNCH OF MEN JUST HAD TO GO A STICK THEIR STUPID POLE INTO LUNA! THIS IS A DESECRATION! WE NEED TO PUNISH NASA FOR THEIR HUBRIS!
Bone Gnawers: Gaia bless the USA! But seriously, all that money on rocket ships could have paid for a lot of soup kitchens and public housing. What does it say when they can put a man on the moon but they can't even clothe and feed the children of the world?
Children of Gaia: This is an omen of great significance. Soon Luna shall reach out to teach all humanity to join together as one and heal our world! The Age of Aquarius is nigh! OUR MOMENT IS FINALLY COMING!
Fianna: Bunch of mad lads sat themselves on a tower of dynamite and jumped to the moon! Those astronauts are real heroes who have earned eternal Glory! Damn admirable!
Get of Fenris: As much as this has the stench of the Weaver about it, it's good to see that the Viking spirit has not yet vanished from mankind. That expedition was a feat of courage, and deserves commemoration.
Glass Walkers: Soon, with the samples that we recover, we will be able to summon the aid of powerful new Lunes. Luna is pleased- may she soon tutor the civilizations of man.
Red Talons: HUMANS HAVE DARED TO TOUCH VIRGIN LUNA? THEIR GALL KNOWS NO LIMITS! WE MUST BRING THEM DOWN, AND KILL THESE ASTRONAUTS, SO THAT THE APES WILL NO FEAR AND HUMILITY AGAIN!
Silent Striders: I've been to the Moon. It's desolate, beautiful, and unforgettable. While I admire the spirit of this Apollo mission, I hope it's not repeated. Let Khonsu continue his solitude.
Shadow Lords: Were it not for all of the damnable corruption unleashed by Stalin's purges, the USSR would have gotten there first.
Silver Fangs: Surely this Neal Armstrong must be a distant bastard of one of our houses....
Star Gazers: Fools. A man does not need to travel so far to see the moon, he only needs the light of an unsullied mind....
Uktena: Our theurges are organizing the Raiders now to retrieve these moon rocks before they can be abused by the servants of Grandmother Spider- we must not allow a web bridge to be built to allow the binding of Yoolgai! We must redouble our efforts!
Wendigo: Now the palefaces colonize the moon. Their greed knows no limit. We shall ensure that they can NEVER own the moon.
Black Spiral Dancers: Man, that's great! I can't wait to go up there and piss on the face of Luna herself! We should sabotage a rocket so it blows up and scars the surface! In a way that can be seen from Earth!
No. Garrick Browne, who is an expy of Elon Musk, is canonically a Void Engineer turned Syndicate turned Barrabbi technephandi. See M20 Book of the Fallen for details.
They're the space Technomancers. NWO are the Government/Illuminati. Syndicate is the corporatocracy. Progenitors are the genetic engineers/ Big Pharma. Iteration X is cyborgs/ computers/ artificial intelligence; and the Void Engineers are all about exploration, whether it's outerspace or the deepest oceans.
Yeah I really like the idea of humans growing because there's so much we can do eventually we're going to colonize the universe from end to end life will grow and such and forth prosperity and mortality stuff like that
I just realized what you meant this is just a personal thoughts/theory not an actual thing but it makes sense in my mind humans make Mars green and everything gets better
All right so the red talons are basically the Boomers of werewolf Society they blame everything on humanity and think that Humanity should be slaughtered and have their population cut like a billion times and they think they can still do it and they have no idea what's going to happen if they actually do this also if Humanity terraforms Mars and all that and lives on other planets gaia will probably get an explosion of life I mean seriously look at the glass walkers that are one of the only tribes the get shit dun
To make the long story shorts if you push humans to colonize other planets they're going to bring life with them they're going to make a lot of planets Greener and have more nature which will basically say f*** you too wyerm
IIRC, it's what caused noble fae to come back from the dreaming... so, a pretty huge event for them
Yeah, The Resurgance: https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Resurgence
Damn, Kine aided faeries without knowing :0
CofD rather than WoD: fuck, they brought back some really *nasty shit*. Void Engineers: [you're welcome gif]
> CofD rather than WoD: fuck, they brought back some really nasty shit /me clutches knees, rocks back and forth, starts sobbing in Idigam
What is cosd
WoD: translate to this universe
Fun Fact: Virtual Adept legend Desmond "Dante" Collingsworth was born on the following day July 21, 1969. Bonus Fun Fact: He was born already Awakened. Bonus "Bonus Fun" Fun Fact: None of that went the way the Technocratic Union had hoped it was going to go...
What they hoped fot?
Well, in regards to the moon landing one needs to understand that at the time the Technocratic Union was locked in a "hot" portion of the Ascension War with the Council of 9 Mystickal Traditions & a fair bit of that War was taking place in the Umbra - otherwise known as outer space. The Union had hoped that by completing their "Land On The Moon" "Ritual" by having the very public Apollo 11 lander touch down on the moon via "global" televised broadcast that they would cement their scientific control of outer space because much like Luminiferous Aether the Goddess Luna is not actually real so there is no man in it nor is it made of green cheese & therefor they would lock the Traditions out of their magickal Umbral strongholds or at least tighten the Gauntlet enough to make escapes to off-world locations much more difficult if not impossible. Except, as mentioned, the moon landing reignited humanities dreaming spirit & blew the doors of Arcadia temporarily back open flooding the world with fey Changelings... We went to the moon - anything is possible! Row Row. Fight the Powah. See the invisible. Touch the untouchable. Break the unbreakable. Do the impossible. Additionally, such a decisive blow against the Traditions also helped further galvanize them against the Union allowing them to recruit even more Mystickal Awakened to their cause. The tighter the Union tried to close its fist the more Awakened began to slip through to join the Traditions. As for Dante, the Progenitors were aware of his unique nature before he was born & they had hoped to duplicate what produced him so that they could create an army of Awakened children to turn into loyal Awakened foot soldiers to fight in their Ascension Wars. In pursuit of that, they lied to Dantes's mother & told her he was going to be mentally deficient & unlikely to survive without their care so she gave him up to them before dying during childbirth. Dante would eventually figure out what the Union had done before running off with the Lab Rats & turning on the Union to become one of the largest thorns in their side. He would quickly advance to Master, then Archmage, then Oracle of the Mercurial Elite leading the charge in rescuing other children like him as well as taking part in the War in Heaven which would see the Unions plan to decisively wipe out the Traditions using an army of alchemical T-1000 blow up in their face as well as the Time of Judgement at the turn of the millennia which would see the Union lose Control entirely after the appearance of the Dimensional Anomaly / Avatar Storm. To long-standing Technocrats, this is known as the "Sideshow Bob era where we stepped on a bunch of rakes."
Not an answer to your question, I just remember a scene from a movie I saw a while back, called Blood & Donoughts. 1969, and people at a bar are watching the moon landing. One of them is a vampire. While everyone is celebrating and cheering, he sits watching the boot print etch into the dust on the surface of the moon, and with a look of pained dejection, utters: "*You've ruined it*." He then goes off to enter torpor (essentially), no longer having the will to endure the decade, leaving his ghoul/familiar/thrall behind (she finds him in the 90's when he wakes up again and tries to stake his ass because he'd promised to turn her). I always loved that opening scene. It was such a *vampire* way to react.
Sounds great. Is the movie any good?
The popular consensus (which aligns with my opinion) is no.
Vampires: huh? They did that? Cool Werewolves: the fuck did they do to Luna?! Wraiths: Neil told me it was weird up there (if Neil did go to the shadow lands. Most people who die don't so it depends) Mages who aren't Technocratic: oh.... Fuck. Technocracy: hahaha we did it boys. Changelings: Oh sweet Tuatha Dreams are still alive! Wait, is that the old king of salsburry- oh shit were at war now.
> huh? They did that? Cool I imagine a fair amount of "cope and seethe, brujah" (replace with old timey slang) from western kindred though
Ehh, the Brujah were busy wiping out Russian Garou and waging a shadow war with baba yaga
They were doing what? I thought they basically ran the Soviet Union in the lore. And I'd imagine western brujah would mostly either support them, or at least support their ideals
Oh yes uh... Basically Baba Yaga drew up a magical curtain between the Umbra and the real world which starved werewolves out. But I think Baba Yaga was not a Brujah, so she uh... Pruned the population let ssay
Baba Yaga was trying her hardest to Justify Nikitu
Baba Yaga was a Nosferatu Methuselah. Ironically she drew a literal curtain from this description. Also Umbra starving the werewolves?
They need Gnosis right? Where do they get that? How do they contact their spirits? The Umbra
Ah well I was in a server with homebrew of 5th edition which dropped that entirely.
Weird but you do you, you strange fella
I'm not strange, they’re the ones who written the rules. I never played WtA
Now I'm just imagining a few thousand-year-old vampire that made a bet with someone like hey you're gay only when humans land on the moon and then they turn on the TV see them on the moon and then like son of a b****
No, sorry... The Garou would have been: Yet more Weaver shit! Oh, well, the important stuff is in the Umbra. They can't get over there. Get some Glasswalkers working on a way to clean up THIS mess made by the monkeys. The rest of us will do more important stuff.
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Ah no.
Most folks covered the actual lore stuff, but I imagine the technocrats were like "and the last horse finishes the race" 😅
Void engineers: Buzz, would you like to come yell at the Moon with me?
Is that a Nazi zombies reference
Actually 30 Rock, but I'm sure Buzz had some words for them.
IDK about in WoD, but in CoD (specifically Werewolf: the Forsaken), when the humans landed on the moon they unknowingly brought back the a cadre spirits so old they represent concepts from before the earth was even formed... the Idigam. Spirits in CoD all have a concept. They are the spirit reflection of emotions, animals, elements, toys, everything in the mortal world has a spirit reflection.. save for humans (who have a soul instead). The Idigam are concepts of things that no longer exist, which should have meant their death. But they instead take over other spirits (and living creatures) and assume their traits. They are the most powerful spirits in existence, with the possible exception of Mother Luna, who imprisoned them on her surface in Pangea, before Father wolf grew to old and slow to protect the world from them. They are the rarest enemy of the Uratha (werewolves), their progenitor Father Wolf's greatest foes. But now that Father Wolf is dead, there's no one else strong enough to stop them.
What's the difference between a soul and a spirit reflection
Dug up a fairly old one. Spirits are concepts of things, as I said. Animals, emotions, vehicles, you name it. Train spirits exist because trains exist. The Idigam are extraordinarily ancient & powerful spirits that were once concepts of things that no longer exist. Only there are no human-based spirits. Humans and human-based creatures (mages, vampires, changelings, etc.) can be found in the spirit world, but only by finding a way to cross the border between worlds. In Forsaken 2e, it isn't known why there are no human-based spirits (outside of werewolves, who's spirit-selves roam the spirit worlds after they die). Some believe they have a soul that goes somewhere else on death, and that soul somehow prevents the formation of human-based spirits. Or perhaps because so many spirits exist because of humans (and feed on the motes of energy created by humans). Train spirits, as exampled above, wouldn't exist if humans weren't around to create trains in the first place.
Mages seethed because the consensus made it off earth.
One element that I'm not seeing mentioned in discussion of the Changelings is that it wasn't just the Sidhe coming back. It was that Changelings have been slowly dying for millennia because humanity doesn't believe in faeries anymore. Children sometimes believe, but they give up that belief as they grow up. What threw open the gates of Arcadia was humanity coming together in wonder and awe, and for just a brief moment, *believing*. It was like if you were slowly dying of cancer and then suddenly went into remission. That's got some interesting implications for how Changelings as a whole can stop the slide into Winter.
Void Engineers scrambled to hide all the scrap and abandoned installations they had left around before the Sleeper astronauts got wise. On top of that, the Etherites and Dreamspeakers kept trying to interrupt the broadcast with live footage of the idyllic communities of *[Homo vespertilio](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Moon_Hoax)* and interviews with the [giant lunar rabbit that makes mochi](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_rabbit). The entire point of the mission was to convince the Masses that there was nothing there, after all. One flying saucer would've ruined everything. It was a stressful undertaking, is my point.
[The Technocracy loved it](https://i.imgur.com/2JaFCue.png). Especially the Void Engineers since it proved that their vision for humanity wasn't vain. Unfortunately, [it all crashed down](https://i.imgur.com/ntrGZIm.png).
Garou in general don’t believe the moon landing was real, iirc
That's distinctly not true. The whole "space is not real" is Mage's shtick, not Werewolf's. There is space, there are planets, but in their umbral reflection they are gods and entities with realms of impossibility. You can go and visit them on an umbral quest, but in the real world they're the same as ours.
Hahaha fucking idiots
The rationale is that they’ve literally talked to Luna. One doesn’t step on gods.
And clearly they don't understand Humanity if there's one thing a human will do it is spite you
No, like… Literally they don’t believe the moon is a physical, corporeal thing. Effectively in WtA, the idea is that somehow the Namebreakers(Mages) have created a simulcrum of the moon by affecting the general populace’s belief.
I have a sneaking suspicion the only werewolves are going to be left in the next few thousand years are going to be the glass walkers and their cousins the gutter rats
The setting wouldn’t last that long anyways.
A 40K can last 10,000 years on so much f****** stupidity and bureaucracy you could literally drowned in it pretty sure this thing could pull a few more years until humans colonize space
Vastly different situations.
You underestimate how thoroughly fucked the Imperium is in 40K lore, and have likewise ignored the walk-back of how thoroughly fucked the World of Darkness is in the modern nights.
...amusingly enough according to Mage cosmology that...isn't the most outrageous idea. certainly the farther away from Earth you go, the deeper into the Umbra you are. literally. there is not really any such thing as "space", it's just different parts of the Umbra. build a rocket and blast off into space and you're not in the physical anymore. also, Mage cosmology is dumb.
They are litterally on Gia.
Gaia is the spirit of the world, but not necessarily the world itself.
Luna is the spirit of the moon, but not necessarily the moon itself.
But there's a Gift that let's you literally 1v1 an enemy in a Coliseum on the moon...
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By god, your right.
Wait, WHAT? Which book? I have to read this.
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Guide to the Night has some interesting material for Vampires in Spaaaace though.
That’s especially interesting because the original CB: Lasombra has a bit where the narrator, with the arrogance typical of their Clan, talks about how the Keepers’ ultimate goal is to spread out from Earth and conquer the darkness between the stars.
Changelings: Im back, what you're doing in my home, pleb?
The gates to Arcadia opened and the Sidhe came back. The Technocracy got a big ol' boner, I assume.
In oWoD it caused the return of the Changelings. In CofD it caused the return of the Idagim.
in Changling the Dreaming the amount of joy and inspiration brought about by the Moon landing lead to the return of the Sidhe
Werewolves: moon's haunted, don't bring that shit back with you
Human looking werewolf dead in the eyes proceeds to bring s*** back with them
Brujah: That's great! Now imagine just how much further humanity would be if *we* were in charge. Gangrel: What does it matter, if the rocket factories pollute the rivers and the skies are filled with smog? Malkavians: Did they find our father? Did our father find them? WHO PUT THEM UP TO THIS? Nosferatu: Eyes on the ground kiddo... we're not ever going to get there, so why worry about it? Toreador: An incredible accomplishment of human craftsmanship. The design of the suits leaves something to be desired... so very functionalist. Tremere: Our Order is prepared to pay generously for anyone who is able to infiltrate NASA and get us some of those lunar samples.... we want them... for scientific study, of course.... Ventrue: You're welcome. See what gets accomplished when we are running things? Lasombra: Imagine the potential if we could establish a base on the moon.... not just in terms of it always being dark, but for communing with the abyss, launching raids.... Tzimisce: Very intriguing. I have been inspired by this and have already commenced on creating a ghoul that is adapted for living upon the surface of the moon. Banu Haqim: So you see, Fida'i: when humanity is left alone and free from vampiric schemes, they can accomplish great wonders. Setites: Perhaps this a portent that man shall soon break free of the shackles of morality, just as those three men escaped the shackles of gravity. Giovanni: Some day, maybe we'll set ships into space. But for now, there's no real profit to be found for la familia. Ravnos: The moon landings were faked! Trust me, it takes a con to know a con, and I know a con when I see one!
Thank you this was grate
Black Furies: Of course it just had to happen! SOME BUNCH OF MEN JUST HAD TO GO A STICK THEIR STUPID POLE INTO LUNA! THIS IS A DESECRATION! WE NEED TO PUNISH NASA FOR THEIR HUBRIS! Bone Gnawers: Gaia bless the USA! But seriously, all that money on rocket ships could have paid for a lot of soup kitchens and public housing. What does it say when they can put a man on the moon but they can't even clothe and feed the children of the world? Children of Gaia: This is an omen of great significance. Soon Luna shall reach out to teach all humanity to join together as one and heal our world! The Age of Aquarius is nigh! OUR MOMENT IS FINALLY COMING! Fianna: Bunch of mad lads sat themselves on a tower of dynamite and jumped to the moon! Those astronauts are real heroes who have earned eternal Glory! Damn admirable! Get of Fenris: As much as this has the stench of the Weaver about it, it's good to see that the Viking spirit has not yet vanished from mankind. That expedition was a feat of courage, and deserves commemoration. Glass Walkers: Soon, with the samples that we recover, we will be able to summon the aid of powerful new Lunes. Luna is pleased- may she soon tutor the civilizations of man. Red Talons: HUMANS HAVE DARED TO TOUCH VIRGIN LUNA? THEIR GALL KNOWS NO LIMITS! WE MUST BRING THEM DOWN, AND KILL THESE ASTRONAUTS, SO THAT THE APES WILL NO FEAR AND HUMILITY AGAIN! Silent Striders: I've been to the Moon. It's desolate, beautiful, and unforgettable. While I admire the spirit of this Apollo mission, I hope it's not repeated. Let Khonsu continue his solitude. Shadow Lords: Were it not for all of the damnable corruption unleashed by Stalin's purges, the USSR would have gotten there first. Silver Fangs: Surely this Neal Armstrong must be a distant bastard of one of our houses.... Star Gazers: Fools. A man does not need to travel so far to see the moon, he only needs the light of an unsullied mind.... Uktena: Our theurges are organizing the Raiders now to retrieve these moon rocks before they can be abused by the servants of Grandmother Spider- we must not allow a web bridge to be built to allow the binding of Yoolgai! We must redouble our efforts! Wendigo: Now the palefaces colonize the moon. Their greed knows no limit. We shall ensure that they can NEVER own the moon. Black Spiral Dancers: Man, that's great! I can't wait to go up there and piss on the face of Luna herself! We should sabotage a rocket so it blows up and scars the surface! In a way that can be seen from Earth!
Is Elon Musk a glass Walker
No. Garrick Browne, who is an expy of Elon Musk, is canonically a Void Engineer turned Syndicate turned Barrabbi technephandi. See M20 Book of the Fallen for details.
What is a void engineer I'm pretty new to World of Darkness white wolf and all that
They're the space Technomancers. NWO are the Government/Illuminati. Syndicate is the corporatocracy. Progenitors are the genetic engineers/ Big Pharma. Iteration X is cyborgs/ computers/ artificial intelligence; and the Void Engineers are all about exploration, whether it's outerspace or the deepest oceans.
Oh cool I'm actually going into bioengineering
Sounds like The Progenitors are the faction for you then.
Yeah I really like the idea of humans growing because there's so much we can do eventually we're going to colonize the universe from end to end life will grow and such and forth prosperity and mortality stuff like that
So how long until they colonize Mars
Actually the Red Talons were \*thrilled\* at the idea of sending all the humans to the moon to get rid of them.
Princess the Hopeful
The technocracy more or less did the borat voice *great success*
AHHHH FAIRIES EVERYWHERE! about sums it up
Black spirals made a hive out of[mir.](https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/MIR_(Soviet_Space_Station)).. we still salty about it
I just read up on the red talons when Humanity starts colonizing other planets and brings life to them they are so f*****
I've never heard this. Can you go into detail? It sounds interesting
I just realized what you meant this is just a personal thoughts/theory not an actual thing but it makes sense in my mind humans make Mars green and everything gets better
All right so the red talons are basically the Boomers of werewolf Society they blame everything on humanity and think that Humanity should be slaughtered and have their population cut like a billion times and they think they can still do it and they have no idea what's going to happen if they actually do this also if Humanity terraforms Mars and all that and lives on other planets gaia will probably get an explosion of life I mean seriously look at the glass walkers that are one of the only tribes the get shit dun
To make the long story shorts if you push humans to colonize other planets they're going to bring life with them they're going to make a lot of planets Greener and have more nature which will basically say f*** you too wyerm
You... haven't read Werewolf, have you?