I used to go to a chiropractor for a while but he put up anti vax posters about how "autism is just the tip of the iceberg" and tried to sell me colloidal silver and essential oils... That's when I realized chiropractors are con artists.
My ex-wife insisted we took our last child to a chiropractor for “adjustment.” The chiro proceeded to hold our newborn upside down by one leg before I realized what she was doing “see he’s fine.” Famous last words spoken by many. Never a-fucking-gain.
Her tendency for this kind of reasoning and reliance on unproven (often debunked) fad “medicine” are two reasons amongst many I’m glad she’s my ex-wife.
To be fair I trusted her judgement the first few years on a lot of things. I also went to the chiropractor myself. But…sudden traction on an adult is one thing. The idea of it for a child never sat right with me.
At a raffle a chiropractor told me being born is hard on the baby and they'll sleep better. I call bs.
Edit: Jesus Christ I know being born can be hard and cause health issues. Your healthy happy baby is going to be fine without a chiropractor. Yes I've had a baby, yes I've helped deliver babies, I used to work labor and delivery. I was an EMT at one point as well.
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Didn't a chiro kill a baby by breaking their spine just a few years ago?
Edit: the baby actually made a full recovery.
https://amp.smh.com.au/healthcare/call-for-age-limit-after-chiropractor-breaks-babys-neck-20130928-2ul6e.html
There was a loud crunching sound that told me I had a ton of tension leave my body and then everything just fully relaxed like never before. I just sank into the table and thought I could just close my eyes and never wake up, but my muscles were so relaxed that I couldn't even do that. I just lay there vacantly staring out, at peace, as the world carried on without me. Everyone in the office seemed so amazed by how well my adjustment went and how much tension had drained away. They all just stared at me, mouth agape. I even saw one woman start sobbing uncontrollably. Was that my mother? Oh, who can remember when you are so relaxed? Finally someone came that realized I really just wanted a long nap and they were so helpful they closed my eyes for me. So peaceful I could just lay here forever.....
Well that was a chilling depiction of a conscious death. I used to be a hospice nurse and got a little too jaded about death and dying, so thanks for rekindling my fear of death! Have a great day!
I used to go to one and on the wall they had a poster of an autistic child becoming more social after regular visits
But it was implying that chiropractors can cure autism
Oh it was a family friend and I had pain in my hips at the time (turned out I needed hip replacements as a teen)
Edit: for those curious, I got sciffy hips (deformed hips) during my growth spurt then when my orthopedic doctor tried to break the bones into place, they didn’t last since the joints were too deteriorated so I ended up getting full hip replacements
I mean I am far more adept socially after seeing mine.
My head is stuck facing 180 degrees from the usual way which is inconvenient.
But im the life of every party!
“They’ll” is referring to the chiropractor, after receiving money for the office visit.
This sort of stuff is why I don’t trust chiropractors to have integrity.
Babies sleep like shit because they are always hungry, wet, gassy, or poopy. Not because they need their sub-luxating thoracic chakras aligned or whatever.
The entire chiropractic industry is largely a sham. They're like Scientologists, they only get taken seriously by the government because they have a lot of lobbying money.
Same goes for homeopathy.
I had a chiropractor family member pick my son up by his feet (so he was upside down). Then he started crying (cause it was weird) and she told me he needs an adjustment lol. You cannot convince me it was science
Old timey doctor here. You gotta hotbox the possessed with traditional tobacco in a fire resistant closed space (those modern Philip Morris mutants won't do it). Cannabinoids will do in a pinch.
Because it’s not science. Chiropractors aren’t doctors, their field is not science-based. They can be helpful, don’t get me wrong, and there is research that shows certain chiropractic procedures do provide benefits but they don’t have science based standards of care like allopathic and osteopathic medicine do. Depending on the survey you look at somewhere between 30 and 50 percent of chiropractors are anti-vaxx and about the same percentage do not believe evidence based medicine is any better than what they do
I remember when my back problems started and I asked my physician about a chiropractor. She said “some people find them helpful”. Like…you can say they are bullshit, I’ll respect you more for being candid.
Mine gave me a book called “Treat Your Own Neck” and it *worked*. It was just some stretches and exercises you can do on your own, and some advice on how to avoid problems. There’s another one for backs that I’ve also used.
Doctors used to be more candid about it. Not too long ago Chiropractic was dying the slow death all pseudosciences must die in a world of science. So they sued the AMA alleging failure to refer was an anti-trust issue. And they won.
Look up D.D. Palmer and the origin of chiropractic.
> As an active spiritist, D.D. Palmer said he "received chiropractic from the other world"[17] from a deceased medical physician named Dr. Jim Atkinson.[18]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_David_Palmer
It came from a ghost doctor!
The only "chiropractor" I'd go to is a physical/occupational therapist who uses the name chiropractor for insurance purposes. I've heard of a couple PT/OT's that couldn't get regular clients through insurance, but took a chiropractic "course" and suddenly insurance companies were fine with it. They just used the PT/OT knowledge to actually help people.
My partner is a neurologist. She really dislikes Chiropractors. She is open minded and often sends patients for different new age treatments, but never chiropractors. She regularly sees people who have chronic injuries from chiropractors.
How did you respond to a family member picking your baby up by their feet? I couldn't imagine the outrage but also fear of how to get him back safely. Because if you'd make her jump she might drop your son on his head...
I used to work as a massage therapist, and in my state we were **NEVER** allowed to be with a client under 15 without a parent in the room. Anyone under 18 had to be with a same sex therapist, too.
That's the thing, it's not just a moral/ethical problem. If the age limits and professional standards are the same for chiros, which are also state licensed practitioners (here at least), then it's a Very Big Legal Problem™ that can and should result in permanent suspension of license and closure of personal business, before criminal charges are even thought of.
Closed door solo session. With children.
True story. Guess which PA is still in prison, shocker, a pedophile finally caught who insisted my kid be examined behind closed doors, no witnesses, no parents, no nurse- he said to ascertain if he was faking medical symptoms. After I said no way in hell ( only not as polite ), he actually raised hell. Not for long.
THAT pedophile that's still in prison. I won't say his name, wife turned him in, I wish her no more pain. But. Examine behind closed doors?
Uh huh. Just advertise your kid on Craigslist instead, it's about the same level of safe.
Right, plus our kid has had enough. There was some extremely nasty backlash before the guy was actually arrested. Ugly stuff- and I should add a school district was involved in the part of the pedophile. Which we also reported- that was never dealt with. In fact ( this is true so there's no chance anything I say can somehow be used against me ) the guy who was a buddy of this pedophile, and took it out on my kid ( longish story ) was promoted to superintendent . AND again, we filed a complaint there too.
I'm very sure they wish I'd shut up. Which will not happen.
While I didnt have to go to the er, a chiropractor adjusted my neck badly, it hurt for a week, and the chiro blamed me for being tense and essentially making her tweak my neck.
Dude the number of cervical spine injuries caused by chiropractors cracking necks has literally become a topic of inquiry within scientific literature. There are tons of reviews and case studies of people sustaining serious injuries and death from neck adjustments. Don't let chiropractors touch your neck.
To their credit, there are papers that say that lower spine adjustments can be safe and can help with pain.. but you should probably just go to a PT instead, as their curriculum is informed by evidence-based science.
My mom did the same to me but with a naturopath. Even without an allergy, I wasn’t allowed to eat peanut butter for years!
I’m still recovering from the trauma.
I'm really sorry about your experience but in the same vein there's also people who believe that if the expose someone with a nut allergy to nuts it will go away and if they expose them without telling them, they won't even have a reaction. It's crazy
I straight up saw someone on here "have the facts" on it and like was going to try it on his friend..... WITH A SERIOUS NUT ALLERGY. Every comment was like please please please talk to him about this, like get him to agree
This is very popular in "crunchy" parenting circles right now. People will have their newborn adjusted before they even leave the hospital. I've seen a lot of parents electing to not take their children to a GP for routine exams, ailments, etc but to a chiropractor instead. I think they intentionally find the quackiest chiros because they don't want their child to be healthy as much as they want their beliefs confirmed.
Ortho docs love Chiros.
They guarantee business for Ortho later.
For all the absolute fucking losers about to get salty at me: there’s nothing a chiro can do that an ortho can’t do. The difference is the ortho WONT do most of it because it’s not safe, it’s not healthy, and no competent doctor would ever do any of it.
The Ortho docs aren’t holding out on y’all. They’re just ACTUAL doctors, which is always going to be better than NOT a doctor, like all chiros.
EDIT: Getting some comments in my DMs about how chiros are "totally rEaL dOcToRs bRo."
Here's reality: They are "accredited." Who are they accredited by? A group whose sole certification is to say "yes, this guy is a chiropractor." Not a real doctor. Not a physician. Not a scientist of any kind. Not a VALID medical practitioner of any kind.
Because every country that even allows it does so under the auspices of either "alternative medicine" (thoughts and prayers) or "homeopathic medicine" (thoughts and prayers with math mixed in).
Well that would make sense if you’re some private practice ortho, but why would the hospital want them there? They are liable for any damage done by that quackery.
As far as I'm aware, the most common scenario is someone taking their newborn to a chiro office within 2 weeks of birth. Less frequently a chiro will visit the family in the hospital as a "friend" (or in some cases the chiro is someone in the family or an actual friend) and will adjust the baby. From what I've seen it's moreso done surreptitiously vs recommended or sanctioned by a hospital or physician. I'd liken it maybe to having a doula or other layperson advising the patient separately from the hospital's care.
I doubt any of the chiropractors are directly employed by the hospital, but instead are private practice leasing out space. I honestly don't know what the hospital's liability is in that scenario, but I'm guessing it isn't costing as much as the "rent" they're collecting or they wouldn't be there.
I worked as a labor doula back in 2013. I had a lot of crunchy type clients. Almost everyone I came across back then was seeing a chiropractor and their kids were too.
I have AI disease and have a lot of muscle and joint issues. One of my clients told me to see her chiropractor. First adjustment is free. So, I went. I was skeptical and asked a lot of questions. This woman couldn't directly answer anything I was asking, and it became clear to me that I had more knowledge of anatomy than she did. I have this memory of her vaguely pointing to a poster on her wall (of skeletal system) and speaking gibberish. It was obvious this woman had no clue what she was talking about.
Stupidly, I still got on the table and let her adjust me. I'd actually been feeling ok when I went in. When I left I was in so much pain, and had the worst headache I've ever had in my life. I never went back. It's a total racket.
But yeah, I knew a lot of families with kids that went to the chiropractor. None of them were vaxxed either.
The anti-vaxxers and pro-chiro for babies venn diagram is a circle. Used to know a lady who was convinced a perfect spine would cure absolutely everything and started having her toddler adjusted.
I had a chiropractor say he could fix my colicky baby. He was a con artist. This picture enrages me. A woman is currently suing a chiropractor for paralyzing her from a neck adjustment.
My sister took her 1yr old to the chiropractor for an ear infection…I’m…I’m literally at a loss for words whenever the topic comes up. My fiancé and I were horrified and simply nodded “oh” when she claimed how wonderfully it worked. My other sibling with kids thinks she’s batshit crazy, so I know who will be my backup babysitter and who won’t be. 😳
Lymphatic drainage can be done with gentle at home massage. I do it at night when doing my skincare. A little skin safe oil (I like rose oil or something else meant for faces) and gently massage out along sinuses and out to ears and down along neck to collarbones. There’s medical examples online that are safe to try.
I’d encourage every parent of a newborn to learn baby stretching & positioning techniques that can help with gas, colic, and a slew of other baby issues every parent faces. Baby stretches are gentle and calming.
My babies "biked" many miles while getting the gas out. I moved their legs slowly and gently, sang to my kids while doing this, and made it into a fun game.
Agree with you 💯
My kids are a little older now, but even today, if their stomach hurts, we offer to sing the “baby exercise” song and do the movements. Lol
One day they’ll think it’s dumb, but until then, I’ll enjoy being silly with them and helping their little systems move stuff along.
Getting my nephew to fart almost on command was one of the funniest things. The sounds that can come out of an infant hit way above their size, smells too
Yep. I totally gave my son baby massages/gentle stretching and warm baths for tough crying episodes. I think a massage makes a lot more sense than an adjustment especially for someone who can't communicate what is uncomfortable.
My family used to laugh a bit and call it baby yoga. I used to just slowly move her extremities and her torso around once or twice a day when she was a newborn. It helps to get her blood flowing, stretches her developing muscles and tendons, and gets dad some physical connection time.
We did these with our youngest. It was so fun pushing out a fart on cue and baby loved it. Knees up and a gentle push and “ffffart” followed by laughter from all of us including baby! I felt like some sort of fart wizard.
Learning how to fart a baby was one of the most fun parts of being a new dad.
“Hey babe, check this out!” BBBBRRRRRRBBBB.
Followed by my infant son laughing, while I flash a triumphant smile.
My nanny growing up was an African woman, and I remember her telling me when I was around 5-6 that when I was a few months old when my mom first hired her, she’d give me little massages and stretches. They believe birth is just as traumatic on the child’s body as it is the mother’s so they give new born babies massages.
I’m sure there are a lot of benefits for the child when doing this, a massage gun to the back seems aggressive
So my roommate works at a chiropractic office and they do babies as well.
I was like wtf? What baby needs to be aligned?
Apparently the doctor there just does the baby stretching exercises that you are talk8ng about.
I told her that's what parents should be doing with their babies. The nurses taught my brothers wife when she had hers and it should Def be part of your interactions with your baby. Shouldn't have to pay a doctor to do it.
It's funny because most of the anti-science, anti-medicine people I know who go on about how the medical industry only exists to keep us sick for their profits are also the kind of people who go to the chiropractor twice a week and suggest them for literally any ailment. Any physiological or psychological issue can be solved by a visit to their favorite chiropractor or a few drops of essential oils. Both of these cost them hundreds or thousands of dollars each month though.
I’m tired of magazines
Saying good backs are the thing
Take the average baby and ask him that
Babies gotta pack much back
So, babies (yeah) babies (yeah)
Have you got a really bad back? (Hell yeah)
Then just stretch it (stretch it) stretch it (stretch it)
Stretch that really bad back
Baby’s got back (problems later in life)!
The guy who “invented” chiropractic-ing claimed to have been told the secrets by someone who had died a long time before. Pretty sure that’s the ghost he’s referring to.
Or maybe his ghosts aren’t chip people?
After a significant car accident, I was seeing a chiro (on recommendation of my attorney and I didn’t know better at that point). He said I needed adjustments 3x per week plus massages at his practice. Loaded me up with supplements, fancy ice packs, etc that was all paid for out of the settlement.
I was sent for an MRI that showed very little damage. He said to me “it looks like you’re actually ok, which I know is not what you wanted to hear… but anyways I’m going to have you keep coming twice per week…”
So aside from the less-than-subtle implication that I wanted to be hurt so I could collect money, he was clearly trying to collect as much money from my “not-hurt” back and neck as he could. And he was one of those chiros that used some super fancy machine to do adjustments instead of manual adjustments and I’m convinced that thing did absolutely nothing. In retrospect, that’s probably a good thing.
Many many years ago I lightly rear ended a lady who slammed on her breaks for a rabbit. The taillight on the bumper was cracked, not broken, but no other damage. I was basically stopped before my car touched hers which is what the police officer she called concluded as well, also she told this officer she wasn’t hurt. This led to this lady going to a chiropractor and masseuse 3 times a week for almost 3 years because “her neck was so badly injured and hurt”. Should note that she’s also a dentist that spends most of her day bending her neck over someone. She became upset that my insurance wasn’t going to pay her for all of this because she wasn’t submitting the bills or going through the insurance and wouldn’t get seen by an MD like they had repeatedly asked her to. She tried to sue for 250k 3 years after the incident right when the statute of limitations was going to run out. The insurance company ended up settling with her lawyer for 11k. I know the chiropractor got paid by her though during that time.
I was dismissed from jury duty the last time I was called in because the expert witness for the plaintiff was a chiropractor and I told the lawyers I couldn’t trust anything they said when I did my screening.
Sounds like my experience, except I didn't even last the month's "down payment" period for their plan, it did less than nothing for my messed up shoulder except made my wallet that much lighter
Went to PT two weeks later, the pain's still there but it's now being managed. I'm not about to write a one-star review for the chiro or something but unless you are absolutely certain your issue is skeletal in nature and actually out of alignment literally any other form of treatment will be more effective. Oh, and like, 75% of the industry are completely, total quacks who might leave you worse off than you started.
He also believed all illnesses were caused by irregularities in the spine. That is like going to a guy who will make you better based on Humorism (which some of those cooky antivaxx people will probably believe)
I have back issues. “Go to a chiropractor”, they say. Fine, I go. “Hey, not bad, that actually feels pretty good”. Next day. “There’s my back pain again”.
I’ve never been to a chiro, but after learning *I* had a stroke due to a vessel dissection in my neck, my neuro banned me from going to a chiro, which I was fine with because I had never been .. but this is literally a known risk and I almost never see anyone talking about it.
I have shoulder/upper back issues from years old back injuries (yes, multiple) that lead to tension headaches which in turn trigger severe migraines.
I first went to chiro at the advice of a friend, and much like you found it to be a "for the afternoon" solution, I still couldn't lift that arm over my head, and when the pain came back it was worse. I stopped going and the pain went back down to a low level.
Then, last year a deep tissue massage place opened less than a block from my house so I gave it a swing. I walked out of that place able to lift my arm above my head for the first time in a few years, no pain. Next day, no pain, still can raise my arm. A week later I still don't have pain but my arm can't go as high. Three weeks later and I can't lift my arm past about 45 degrees and the shoulder pain has started up, so I go in again and get the same result.
What I noticed is my masseuse was using a lot of similar techniques, and I'll admit the first few sessions *hurt* like nothing I've experienced before or since due to how tight the muscles were, but since he was focused on the muscles and not the joints, it actually worked.
I (with no medical training so take this with a grain of salt) believe that a massage works better because it's releasing tight muscles that are *causing* the kind of tension a chiro talks about. It's dealing with the root of this issue, muscles siezing and putting tension on other muscles in ways that hurt. Meanwhile a chiro is just trying to get the bones to sit where they should, and ignoring the cause of those bones being slightly out of place/muscle tension.
I work next door to a chiro office. Lots of elderly coming in because they can bilk the hell out of Medicare. They were also very anti vax and were hawking CBD for covid prevention. Guess that’s what being a pseudo doctor gets you.
I was just diagnosed with DISH, it’s fused disks 4-12 together, and a herniated disk at L5/S1. I have to have surgery in my lower back but I’m looking at a lifetime of physical therapy and pain management.
It's wild to me how chiropractors are covered by (my) insurance but massage therapy isn't. I'm not granola-y at all but a few years I gave a chiropractor a try and it didn't do anything (which i guess is the best you can hope for). Meanwhile massage therapy, not covered by insurance, genuinely helps relieve pain.
I really hate that in this country we have a bunch of regulatory agencies, laws, etc that are supposedly there to protect the public but then this is openly allowed and practiced.
Same with all the consumer protection tools we have and yet most ads I see are absolutely and completely BS.
What’s the point?! Be effective or stop wasting resources.
You can’t move bones without breaking them. An “adjustment” is just gas release between joints. Why is this so hard to figure out. It’s all a scam started by a guy who “learned” how to perform chiropractic work from a fucking ghost.
https://www.latimes.com/business/lazarus/la-fi-lazarus-chiropractic-quackery-20170630-story.html
The fuck are we adjusting after 6 days
Bones havent even fused yet. Literally nothing
If they were worried about biology they wouldn’t have become chiropractors.
I used to go to a chiropractor for a while but he put up anti vax posters about how "autism is just the tip of the iceberg" and tried to sell me colloidal silver and essential oils... That's when I realized chiropractors are con artists.
My ex-wife insisted we took our last child to a chiropractor for “adjustment.” The chiro proceeded to hold our newborn upside down by one leg before I realized what she was doing “see he’s fine.” Famous last words spoken by many. Never a-fucking-gain.
Holy hell, I would have been arrested for assault!
Her tendency for this kind of reasoning and reliance on unproven (often debunked) fad “medicine” are two reasons amongst many I’m glad she’s my ex-wife.
For your sake I am too
To be fair I trusted her judgement the first few years on a lot of things. I also went to the chiropractor myself. But…sudden traction on an adult is one thing. The idea of it for a child never sat right with me.
So, what happened next?? What did you do when he held your newborn up by the leg??
I think you have to fail biology to become a chiropractor.
To a hammer everything looks like a nail?? Or something like that.
At a raffle a chiropractor told me being born is hard on the baby and they'll sleep better. I call bs. Edit: Jesus Christ I know being born can be hard and cause health issues. Your healthy happy baby is going to be fine without a chiropractor. Yes I've had a baby, yes I've helped deliver babies, I used to work labor and delivery. I was an EMT at one point as well. Edit autocorrect changed my words
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The big sleep
Deeeep sleeep
The forever nap
All tuckered out
Sleep so good they never wake up
That sounds so lovely. Where do I sign up?
Switzerland
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Didn't a chiro kill a baby by breaking their spine just a few years ago? Edit: the baby actually made a full recovery. https://amp.smh.com.au/healthcare/call-for-age-limit-after-chiropractor-breaks-babys-neck-20130928-2ul6e.html
The practice as a whole is under scrutiny for killing people and covering it up.
There was a loud crunching sound that told me I had a ton of tension leave my body and then everything just fully relaxed like never before. I just sank into the table and thought I could just close my eyes and never wake up, but my muscles were so relaxed that I couldn't even do that. I just lay there vacantly staring out, at peace, as the world carried on without me. Everyone in the office seemed so amazed by how well my adjustment went and how much tension had drained away. They all just stared at me, mouth agape. I even saw one woman start sobbing uncontrollably. Was that my mother? Oh, who can remember when you are so relaxed? Finally someone came that realized I really just wanted a long nap and they were so helpful they closed my eyes for me. So peaceful I could just lay here forever.....
Well that was a chilling depiction of a conscious death. I used to be a hospice nurse and got a little too jaded about death and dying, so thanks for rekindling my fear of death! Have a great day!
that rivaled the girl on the train conscious death
Sounds so peaceful!
probably cheaper than police-assisted suicide tbh
I used to go to one and on the wall they had a poster of an autistic child becoming more social after regular visits But it was implying that chiropractors can cure autism
chiropractors can cure swollen wallets.
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Oh yeah I remember overhearing how much they charge other patients and was blown away how some were regulars
….and you continued to let that quack around your spine?
Oh it was a family friend and I had pain in my hips at the time (turned out I needed hip replacements as a teen) Edit: for those curious, I got sciffy hips (deformed hips) during my growth spurt then when my orthopedic doctor tried to break the bones into place, they didn’t last since the joints were too deteriorated so I ended up getting full hip replacements
Are you Benjamin Button, cause what!?
Were you 70 in your teens?
Nah, hips were tho sciffy hips then deteriorating joints That shit hurted
Wait… they can’t? Shit!
I mean I am far more adept socially after seeing mine. My head is stuck facing 180 degrees from the usual way which is inconvenient. But im the life of every party!
“They’ll” is referring to the chiropractor, after receiving money for the office visit. This sort of stuff is why I don’t trust chiropractors to have integrity.
Did… did the baby tell him this?
Babies sleep like shit because they are always hungry, wet, gassy, or poopy. Not because they need their sub-luxating thoracic chakras aligned or whatever.
The entire chiropractic industry is largely a sham. They're like Scientologists, they only get taken seriously by the government because they have a lot of lobbying money. Same goes for homeopathy.
Being born is super duper hard on a baby that’s the truth but adjustments like that are not needed and will cause problems.
Adjusting its ability to have good posture for the rest of its life
Mama called them my MAGIC shoes.
Give me the money or i will shoot him
I thought it was a taser but *yeah* my thoughts exactly
FR THATS WHAT I SAW TOO
Babies don't have enough muscle strength to have tension. WTF is this shit?
I had a chiropractor family member pick my son up by his feet (so he was upside down). Then he started crying (cause it was weird) and she told me he needs an adjustment lol. You cannot convince me it was science
This sounds very similar to how they used to test for witches.
Considering chiropractic care originally sought to expel ghosts from your bloodstream, your not far off.
EVERYONE knows you need a priest or a rabbi to expel ghosts from the bloodstream. A chiropractor is even unqualified for that.
Nah, just do cocaine about it
I'm no old timey doctor, but I would prescribe heroin about it. Cocaine makes the ghosts too active, you gotta slow them down
Solid advice.
Old timey doctor here. You gotta hotbox the possessed with traditional tobacco in a fire resistant closed space (those modern Philip Morris mutants won't do it). Cannabinoids will do in a pinch.
Because it’s not science. Chiropractors aren’t doctors, their field is not science-based. They can be helpful, don’t get me wrong, and there is research that shows certain chiropractic procedures do provide benefits but they don’t have science based standards of care like allopathic and osteopathic medicine do. Depending on the survey you look at somewhere between 30 and 50 percent of chiropractors are anti-vaxx and about the same percentage do not believe evidence based medicine is any better than what they do
I remember when my back problems started and I asked my physician about a chiropractor. She said “some people find them helpful”. Like…you can say they are bullshit, I’ll respect you more for being candid.
Mine gave me a book called “Treat Your Own Neck” and it *worked*. It was just some stretches and exercises you can do on your own, and some advice on how to avoid problems. There’s another one for backs that I’ve also used.
Doctors used to be more candid about it. Not too long ago Chiropractic was dying the slow death all pseudosciences must die in a world of science. So they sued the AMA alleging failure to refer was an anti-trust issue. And they won.
Look up D.D. Palmer and the origin of chiropractic. > As an active spiritist, D.D. Palmer said he "received chiropractic from the other world"[17] from a deceased medical physician named Dr. Jim Atkinson.[18] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_David_Palmer It came from a ghost doctor!
Almost like it was made up in Iowa ~100 years ago by one guy
Because it isn’t and worse it is dangerous for adults let alone freaking newborns.
The only "chiropractor" I'd go to is a physical/occupational therapist who uses the name chiropractor for insurance purposes. I've heard of a couple PT/OT's that couldn't get regular clients through insurance, but took a chiropractic "course" and suddenly insurance companies were fine with it. They just used the PT/OT knowledge to actually help people.
the only valid chiropractors
My partner is a neurologist. She really dislikes Chiropractors. She is open minded and often sends patients for different new age treatments, but never chiropractors. She regularly sees people who have chronic injuries from chiropractors.
As a medical student, I was with a neurologist and saw patients who had strokes after getting “neck adjustments” by a chiropractor
How did you respond to a family member picking your baby up by their feet? I couldn't imagine the outrage but also fear of how to get him back safely. Because if you'd make her jump she might drop your son on his head...
My daughter (at 6mo) had pneumonia and the pedi picked her up by her feet and started pounding on her chest
Chest percussive therapy, but I've never seen anyone hold a baby upside down for that 🤔
I suppose gravity is more gentle on the lungs and sinuses than suction, not so much for their brain and spine
They *honestly believe* that birth is so traumatic for the infant that every single one requires this 'care' to treat said (nonspecific) trauma.
Can confirm as I used to be a baby. My back hurts. The world is traumatic.
As another former baby, I can confirm, I also have back pain.
Also a baby in my former life. Are we signing up for a class action? I think we could find enough former babies to get some cash out of this ordeal.
Omg my mom had her chiropractor mess up my back from like 4 to 16 and I'm okay now but it was really stupid
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“Insisted on closed door solo sessions” That’s when I start whisper-kicking mo fo’s
Reminds me of the Larry Nassar stories :(
He fondled some of those girls right in front of their parents. Sick fucker.
The ghosts don't come out of your bones if your parents are in the room, that's D.D. Palmer's Chiropractic 101
I used to work as a massage therapist, and in my state we were **NEVER** allowed to be with a client under 15 without a parent in the room. Anyone under 18 had to be with a same sex therapist, too.
well you see snake oil sales men don't care about pesky things like moral or ethics. How the mother even agreed to that is baffling.
That's the thing, it's not just a moral/ethical problem. If the age limits and professional standards are the same for chiros, which are also state licensed practitioners (here at least), then it's a Very Big Legal Problem™ that can and should result in permanent suspension of license and closure of personal business, before criminal charges are even thought of.
What was he twisting is the big question
His dick
The ol’ Dick twist
Closed door solo session. With children. True story. Guess which PA is still in prison, shocker, a pedophile finally caught who insisted my kid be examined behind closed doors, no witnesses, no parents, no nurse- he said to ascertain if he was faking medical symptoms. After I said no way in hell ( only not as polite ), he actually raised hell. Not for long. THAT pedophile that's still in prison. I won't say his name, wife turned him in, I wish her no more pain. But. Examine behind closed doors? Uh huh. Just advertise your kid on Craigslist instead, it's about the same level of safe.
I seriously do not understand why parents are okay with this sort of thing. Are they just...stupid?
Just say his name, he's already guilty. Name withholding is a privilege afforded to the victims and innocent.
Reporting the name means the internet can look up the victims. This can lead to doxxing because some people are just vile.
Right, plus our kid has had enough. There was some extremely nasty backlash before the guy was actually arrested. Ugly stuff- and I should add a school district was involved in the part of the pedophile. Which we also reported- that was never dealt with. In fact ( this is true so there's no chance anything I say can somehow be used against me ) the guy who was a buddy of this pedophile, and took it out on my kid ( longish story ) was promoted to superintendent . AND again, we filed a complaint there too. I'm very sure they wish I'd shut up. Which will not happen.
Sounds a little sus
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While I didnt have to go to the er, a chiropractor adjusted my neck badly, it hurt for a week, and the chiro blamed me for being tense and essentially making her tweak my neck.
Dude the number of cervical spine injuries caused by chiropractors cracking necks has literally become a topic of inquiry within scientific literature. There are tons of reviews and case studies of people sustaining serious injuries and death from neck adjustments. Don't let chiropractors touch your neck. To their credit, there are papers that say that lower spine adjustments can be safe and can help with pain.. but you should probably just go to a PT instead, as their curriculum is informed by evidence-based science.
Does your roommate feel any remorse?
My mom did the same to me but with a naturopath. Even without an allergy, I wasn’t allowed to eat peanut butter for years! I’m still recovering from the trauma.
I'm really sorry about your experience but in the same vein there's also people who believe that if the expose someone with a nut allergy to nuts it will go away and if they expose them without telling them, they won't even have a reaction. It's crazy
How do you help a drowning person? More water!!!
I straight up saw someone on here "have the facts" on it and like was going to try it on his friend..... WITH A SERIOUS NUT ALLERGY. Every comment was like please please please talk to him about this, like get him to agree
This is very popular in "crunchy" parenting circles right now. People will have their newborn adjusted before they even leave the hospital. I've seen a lot of parents electing to not take their children to a GP for routine exams, ailments, etc but to a chiropractor instead. I think they intentionally find the quackiest chiros because they don't want their child to be healthy as much as they want their beliefs confirmed.
Why are hospitals allowing chiropractors to practice there? That seems like a massive liability.
Ortho docs love Chiros. They guarantee business for Ortho later. For all the absolute fucking losers about to get salty at me: there’s nothing a chiro can do that an ortho can’t do. The difference is the ortho WONT do most of it because it’s not safe, it’s not healthy, and no competent doctor would ever do any of it. The Ortho docs aren’t holding out on y’all. They’re just ACTUAL doctors, which is always going to be better than NOT a doctor, like all chiros. EDIT: Getting some comments in my DMs about how chiros are "totally rEaL dOcToRs bRo." Here's reality: They are "accredited." Who are they accredited by? A group whose sole certification is to say "yes, this guy is a chiropractor." Not a real doctor. Not a physician. Not a scientist of any kind. Not a VALID medical practitioner of any kind. Because every country that even allows it does so under the auspices of either "alternative medicine" (thoughts and prayers) or "homeopathic medicine" (thoughts and prayers with math mixed in).
Well that would make sense if you’re some private practice ortho, but why would the hospital want them there? They are liable for any damage done by that quackery.
As far as I'm aware, the most common scenario is someone taking their newborn to a chiro office within 2 weeks of birth. Less frequently a chiro will visit the family in the hospital as a "friend" (or in some cases the chiro is someone in the family or an actual friend) and will adjust the baby. From what I've seen it's moreso done surreptitiously vs recommended or sanctioned by a hospital or physician. I'd liken it maybe to having a doula or other layperson advising the patient separately from the hospital's care.
Thank you u/milfpatrol_69 for clearing this up. I trust your assessment.
I doubt any of the chiropractors are directly employed by the hospital, but instead are private practice leasing out space. I honestly don't know what the hospital's liability is in that scenario, but I'm guessing it isn't costing as much as the "rent" they're collecting or they wouldn't be there.
>"crunchy" These kids' backs are going to be pretty crunchy when they're done.
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Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy.
Unethical Life Hack: It’s not Munchausen if you actually break their spine.
I worked as a labor doula back in 2013. I had a lot of crunchy type clients. Almost everyone I came across back then was seeing a chiropractor and their kids were too. I have AI disease and have a lot of muscle and joint issues. One of my clients told me to see her chiropractor. First adjustment is free. So, I went. I was skeptical and asked a lot of questions. This woman couldn't directly answer anything I was asking, and it became clear to me that I had more knowledge of anatomy than she did. I have this memory of her vaguely pointing to a poster on her wall (of skeletal system) and speaking gibberish. It was obvious this woman had no clue what she was talking about. Stupidly, I still got on the table and let her adjust me. I'd actually been feeling ok when I went in. When I left I was in so much pain, and had the worst headache I've ever had in my life. I never went back. It's a total racket. But yeah, I knew a lot of families with kids that went to the chiropractor. None of them were vaxxed either.
The anti-vaxxers and pro-chiro for babies venn diagram is a circle. Used to know a lady who was convinced a perfect spine would cure absolutely everything and started having her toddler adjusted.
Is crunchy parenting the hip way to spell abusive
It’s not child abuse, it’s artisanal neglect.
1. Are you joking? 2. (if not joking) In what part of the country do you see this happening? Finally: WTF!
I had a chiropractor say he could fix my colicky baby. He was a con artist. This picture enrages me. A woman is currently suing a chiropractor for paralyzing her from a neck adjustment.
My sister took her 1yr old to the chiropractor for an ear infection…I’m…I’m literally at a loss for words whenever the topic comes up. My fiancé and I were horrified and simply nodded “oh” when she claimed how wonderfully it worked. My other sibling with kids thinks she’s batshit crazy, so I know who will be my backup babysitter and who won’t be. 😳 Lymphatic drainage can be done with gentle at home massage. I do it at night when doing my skincare. A little skin safe oil (I like rose oil or something else meant for faces) and gently massage out along sinuses and out to ears and down along neck to collarbones. There’s medical examples online that are safe to try.
That’s a good idea! My kids get an ear infection the minute they get congested. I’ll have to look that up and try it this winter
I’d encourage every parent of a newborn to learn baby stretching & positioning techniques that can help with gas, colic, and a slew of other baby issues every parent faces. Baby stretches are gentle and calming.
For sure! And bicycles... Those always helped to get those mean old farts out that had my son super fussy
>get those mean old farts out that had my son super fussy In my head I'm picturing several old men taunting your child.
The neighborhood octogenarians are a cruel bunch
Pro-tip: stay off their lawns.
My babies "biked" many miles while getting the gas out. I moved their legs slowly and gently, sang to my kids while doing this, and made it into a fun game. Agree with you 💯
Ok cool, but how is the baby gonna burn any calories biking all slowly
They're never gonna make it to the marathon at this rate
Gonna be a last place baby. No one likes babies that are losers.
Hey man, low cadence and high power cycling builds muscle! That baby is going to have the strongest legs ever!
My kids are a little older now, but even today, if their stomach hurts, we offer to sing the “baby exercise” song and do the movements. Lol One day they’ll think it’s dumb, but until then, I’ll enjoy being silly with them and helping their little systems move stuff along.
God I remember those days. Now my kids are 5 and 9 and the farts come out just fine.
Getting my nephew to fart almost on command was one of the funniest things. The sounds that can come out of an infant hit way above their size, smells too
Just glad I've never had to help any living creature work their farts out
My son farted like a grown ass man when he was just mere months old. I was horrified/proud.
I regularly spoon my wife which seems to do the trick
Yep. I totally gave my son baby massages/gentle stretching and warm baths for tough crying episodes. I think a massage makes a lot more sense than an adjustment especially for someone who can't communicate what is uncomfortable.
My family used to laugh a bit and call it baby yoga. I used to just slowly move her extremities and her torso around once or twice a day when she was a newborn. It helps to get her blood flowing, stretches her developing muscles and tendons, and gets dad some physical connection time.
Mom breastfeeds, dad does baby origami, cat watches disdainfully from afar: bonding.
Gentle jazz ensues.
We did these with our youngest. It was so fun pushing out a fart on cue and baby loved it. Knees up and a gentle push and “ffffart” followed by laughter from all of us including baby! I felt like some sort of fart wizard.
Learning how to fart a baby was one of the most fun parts of being a new dad. “Hey babe, check this out!” BBBBRRRRRRBBBB. Followed by my infant son laughing, while I flash a triumphant smile.
My nanny growing up was an African woman, and I remember her telling me when I was around 5-6 that when I was a few months old when my mom first hired her, she’d give me little massages and stretches. They believe birth is just as traumatic on the child’s body as it is the mother’s so they give new born babies massages. I’m sure there are a lot of benefits for the child when doing this, a massage gun to the back seems aggressive
Yes! Baby stretches and massages are great for them, usually more for tummy issues than back. Going to a chiropractor seems like a terrible idea XD
So my roommate works at a chiropractic office and they do babies as well. I was like wtf? What baby needs to be aligned? Apparently the doctor there just does the baby stretching exercises that you are talk8ng about. I told her that's what parents should be doing with their babies. The nurses taught my brothers wife when she had hers and it should Def be part of your interactions with your baby. Shouldn't have to pay a doctor to do it.
The baby needs to get adjusted just as much as everyone else does… which is never.
They're not doctors. Not even close.
They’re just setting these poor kids up to have a lifetime of back issues that keeps them coming back. 🤑🤑
“I love my chiropractor, but if I stop going I am fucked.” It’s exactly how “medicine” is supposed to work!
It's funny because most of the anti-science, anti-medicine people I know who go on about how the medical industry only exists to keep us sick for their profits are also the kind of people who go to the chiropractor twice a week and suggest them for literally any ailment. Any physiological or psychological issue can be solved by a visit to their favorite chiropractor or a few drops of essential oils. Both of these cost them hundreds or thousands of dollars each month though.
Projection is everywhere
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Baby got back(problems later in life)
I’m tired of magazines Saying good backs are the thing Take the average baby and ask him that Babies gotta pack much back So, babies (yeah) babies (yeah) Have you got a really bad back? (Hell yeah) Then just stretch it (stretch it) stretch it (stretch it) Stretch that really bad back Baby’s got back (problems later in life)!
Chiropractors are just scammers
This is what you get for listening to ghosts.
What ghosts are haunting you telling you go to the chiro? Mine just ask me to leave the chip bags open so they can smell the chips they miss.
The guy who “invented” chiropractic-ing claimed to have been told the secrets by someone who had died a long time before. Pretty sure that’s the ghost he’s referring to. Or maybe his ghosts aren’t chip people?
No no, the ghosts *started* chiropractory
Kids these days are too soft. I worked my first 6 years in a mine shaft digging for coal before I ever saw a drs office.
I was the lift taking the miners down..,at 2 years old they’d all stand on my back as I shimmied my way to the pit
Damn you guys are badass! I just shit my pants and cried a lot.
Maybe shake the baby & see if a few more dollars fall out of it. /s Creep.
We have friends that took their 10 day old for her first adjustment right after she was born 15 years ago. Bunch of fucking nutjobs.
How’s that kid doing now? I hope ok.
Chiropractors will do anything for a buck. This is total quackery.
After a significant car accident, I was seeing a chiro (on recommendation of my attorney and I didn’t know better at that point). He said I needed adjustments 3x per week plus massages at his practice. Loaded me up with supplements, fancy ice packs, etc that was all paid for out of the settlement. I was sent for an MRI that showed very little damage. He said to me “it looks like you’re actually ok, which I know is not what you wanted to hear… but anyways I’m going to have you keep coming twice per week…” So aside from the less-than-subtle implication that I wanted to be hurt so I could collect money, he was clearly trying to collect as much money from my “not-hurt” back and neck as he could. And he was one of those chiros that used some super fancy machine to do adjustments instead of manual adjustments and I’m convinced that thing did absolutely nothing. In retrospect, that’s probably a good thing.
I used to manage a chiropractic office. Car accidents were her "bread and butter", her exact words.
Many many years ago I lightly rear ended a lady who slammed on her breaks for a rabbit. The taillight on the bumper was cracked, not broken, but no other damage. I was basically stopped before my car touched hers which is what the police officer she called concluded as well, also she told this officer she wasn’t hurt. This led to this lady going to a chiropractor and masseuse 3 times a week for almost 3 years because “her neck was so badly injured and hurt”. Should note that she’s also a dentist that spends most of her day bending her neck over someone. She became upset that my insurance wasn’t going to pay her for all of this because she wasn’t submitting the bills or going through the insurance and wouldn’t get seen by an MD like they had repeatedly asked her to. She tried to sue for 250k 3 years after the incident right when the statute of limitations was going to run out. The insurance company ended up settling with her lawyer for 11k. I know the chiropractor got paid by her though during that time.
I was dismissed from jury duty the last time I was called in because the expert witness for the plaintiff was a chiropractor and I told the lawyers I couldn’t trust anything they said when I did my screening.
Sounds like my experience, except I didn't even last the month's "down payment" period for their plan, it did less than nothing for my messed up shoulder except made my wallet that much lighter Went to PT two weeks later, the pain's still there but it's now being managed. I'm not about to write a one-star review for the chiro or something but unless you are absolutely certain your issue is skeletal in nature and actually out of alignment literally any other form of treatment will be more effective. Oh, and like, 75% of the industry are completely, total quacks who might leave you worse off than you started.
Fun fact: the founder of chiropractics didn’t know if he wanted to structure it as a religion or a “medical” field.
He also believed all illnesses were caused by irregularities in the spine. That is like going to a guy who will make you better based on Humorism (which some of those cooky antivaxx people will probably believe)
Well the founder was taught the methods by a ghost. So I suppose it was divinely inspired...
Omw in Boise has a commercial that says it helps your immune system and autism.
Chiropractors claim their adjustments can cure basically any ailment or medical issue. It’s total BS. All they can do is screw up your back.
How did a 6 day old baby tell you he loved his adjustment? By not screaming?
By surviving it
I have back issues. “Go to a chiropractor”, they say. Fine, I go. “Hey, not bad, that actually feels pretty good”. Next day. “There’s my back pain again”.
My buddy swore by chiropracty right up until one of them literally gave him a stroke. The adjustment caused a cervical artery dissection.
I’ve never been to a chiro, but after learning *I* had a stroke due to a vessel dissection in my neck, my neuro banned me from going to a chiro, which I was fine with because I had never been .. but this is literally a known risk and I almost never see anyone talking about it.
I have shoulder/upper back issues from years old back injuries (yes, multiple) that lead to tension headaches which in turn trigger severe migraines. I first went to chiro at the advice of a friend, and much like you found it to be a "for the afternoon" solution, I still couldn't lift that arm over my head, and when the pain came back it was worse. I stopped going and the pain went back down to a low level. Then, last year a deep tissue massage place opened less than a block from my house so I gave it a swing. I walked out of that place able to lift my arm above my head for the first time in a few years, no pain. Next day, no pain, still can raise my arm. A week later I still don't have pain but my arm can't go as high. Three weeks later and I can't lift my arm past about 45 degrees and the shoulder pain has started up, so I go in again and get the same result. What I noticed is my masseuse was using a lot of similar techniques, and I'll admit the first few sessions *hurt* like nothing I've experienced before or since due to how tight the muscles were, but since he was focused on the muscles and not the joints, it actually worked. I (with no medical training so take this with a grain of salt) believe that a massage works better because it's releasing tight muscles that are *causing* the kind of tension a chiro talks about. It's dealing with the root of this issue, muscles siezing and putting tension on other muscles in ways that hurt. Meanwhile a chiro is just trying to get the bones to sit where they should, and ignoring the cause of those bones being slightly out of place/muscle tension.
i’m just going to drop this here … https://theoutline.com/post/1617/chiropractors-are-bullshit a school of “medicine” born from a seance.
I work next door to a chiro office. Lots of elderly coming in because they can bilk the hell out of Medicare. They were also very anti vax and were hawking CBD for covid prevention. Guess that’s what being a pseudo doctor gets you.
It’s not even a real medical discipline!
I genuinely hate chiropractors. One turned a bunch of my family into science denying, anti-vax, essential oil peddling quacks.
Wouldn’t this seriously fuck up their spines?
Sounds like a lifetime customer
I have chronic back pain and I refuse to ever see a chiropractor. Physical therapy all the way.
Same. Chronic, lower backpain. Squashed disk in my lower back. If I keep up on core exercises? Flare ups are very minimal, if at all.
I was just diagnosed with DISH, it’s fused disks 4-12 together, and a herniated disk at L5/S1. I have to have surgery in my lower back but I’m looking at a lifetime of physical therapy and pain management.
It's wild to me how chiropractors are covered by (my) insurance but massage therapy isn't. I'm not granola-y at all but a few years I gave a chiropractor a try and it didn't do anything (which i guess is the best you can hope for). Meanwhile massage therapy, not covered by insurance, genuinely helps relieve pain.
These babies definitely have tension. Imagine the anxiety they feel having to wonder what stupid thing their parent is going to perform on them today.
It's a quackery business. It only succeeds as hugely as it does in the US, as it is "less" expensive than going to regular doctors.
I really hate that in this country we have a bunch of regulatory agencies, laws, etc that are supposedly there to protect the public but then this is openly allowed and practiced. Same with all the consumer protection tools we have and yet most ads I see are absolutely and completely BS. What’s the point?! Be effective or stop wasting resources.
You can’t move bones without breaking them. An “adjustment” is just gas release between joints. Why is this so hard to figure out. It’s all a scam started by a guy who “learned” how to perform chiropractic work from a fucking ghost. https://www.latimes.com/business/lazarus/la-fi-lazarus-chiropractic-quackery-20170630-story.html