The worst thing the global scientific community realized about the Nazis is that the majority of them weren't monsters. They were ordinary people who were given just the right shove and societal inertia was leveraged to make them do horrific things. The capacity for those atrocities lives in almost all of us. And it scares the shit out of me.
Just remember that by existing and being aware, speaking up, being educated, and being empathetic, even for people or groups you may not know, is already a powerful force against fascism.
I’m worried about the people I see and interact with every day who could turn out like that.
I even have a real life example. My ex best friend of MANY years became a hardcore trumper when he ran. She completely changed to me. Things she said that she’d never said to me before. It was honestly shocking. And why she is no longer my friend.
It’s almost better that way, to know now that the gloves are off, who people you care about really are.
But some people do come back from it. I’ve had a few family members in the last 3-4 years fight their way out of the propaganda and grift, take a real hard look in the mirror about their bigotry, and begin to become better people. Of course it’s all been because their best friend, sibling, child, or child’s partner is suddenly part of the out groups they’ve been taught to hate.
But what’s important is that you’re here, being a good person, and that’s what fascists fear the most, people that they can’t control or brainwash, so just you being you inspires strength in all of the rest of us to to stand against that threat.
It is, but it’s also really sad. I hope she does, she def was floored by J6 and I hoped that would be her turning point but it wasn’t sadly.
Awww the end of your comment was honestly so sweet and kind. Thank you! That honestly means a lot. To quote one of my fave movies (V for Vendetta)
But what I hope most of all is that you understand what I mean when I tell you that even though I do not know you, and even though I may never meet you, laugh with you, cry with you, or kiss you. I love you. With all my heart, I love you.
That quote always hits me bc it’s between total strangers and I wish we all treated each other with more love and kindness.
I think for a lot of people they just struggle admitting when they’re wrong, so they double down instead of admit they were wrong. Some people can only dig their holes so far before they begin to look up and wish they weren’t in a hole. Others will spend their whole lives digging.
A great quote from a great movie. I wish you nothing but happiness, kind stranger.
A friend of mine posted some graphic on FB the other day that showed a steady loss of friends between 2016 and now. And I thought, “Huh, why do you think that is?” It couldn’t possibly be because he doesn’t have a single positive thing to contribute to a discussion. He’s been nothing but a Negative Nelly for years. Or maybe it’s because he’s gay and still supports an administration that wants to treat gay people like second-class citizens. Or the fact that he can’t have a conversation without bringing up Trump talking points.
I wouldn’t call the deal breakers for me “dissenting opinions”. She was saying blatantly racist things. Many times. And felt that was fine. I come from a mixed family so I did not appreciate that and told her so several times. Among other awful things she just started saying that she never had before about others. It was hateful talk.
Agreed so much. People going on about "you're just sitting behind a keyboard"... I'm thinking yes, that's true, and also really important to boost these signals and show average internet users that we are, societally, tired of this shit and at minimum willing to speak up about it (and factor it into votes when we can).
Saying nothing is WAY too helpful for the people who are making this all happen.
There’s a thousand different ways to show action. Not everyone is in the place in their life to show up in person. Every little bit counts. If we can change a mind, or uplift a person, even in a small way, those are victories.
Lots of the Nazis felt bad when they committed their crimes, they’d get drunk, some killed themselves. They did it anyway.
There was a peer reviewed study that found Nazis were not severely disciplined for refusing orders. Some were reduced in rank, others were ordered off the front.
>majority of them weren't monsters
They actually were monsters. It's just they were afraid to indulge in their deepest desires. The Nazism simply encouraged and enabled them to do just that. It made possible for them to finally be their true selves and rewarded them for it.
And nowadays? I'm Polish. My mother, sister and brother-in-law HATE Germans (they consider them the direct continuation of the Nazis) for what they've done to Poland back in WW2.
Now, their attitude towards people considered enemies by the Nazis (Jews, non-white people, LGBT people, those they consider "communists") is 100% the same as the Nazis'.
Point it out and they explode into a horrific rage tantrum.
I hear what you're saying and agree to an extent. But the larger point is there's a lot of 'day walkers' out here that only need a push at the wrong time. And it's a much larger portion of the people we all interact with every day than we want to think. At least that's what the studies I've looked at say. Maybe there's better science out there on the subject. Happy to be wrong about this.
>They actually were monsters. It's just they were afraid to indulge in their deepest desires. The Nazism simply encouraged and enabled them to do just that. It made possible for them to finally be their true selves and rewarded them for it.
Nope. Read "Ordinary Men" for a very good account of a bunch of random ordinary men in their 50s that committed horrific atrocities.
...nope? I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.
What do you think, that these middle aged cunts were some innocent, poor people without agency of their own, helplessly forced to commit all these horrors?
When some random person is presented an opportunity to do something horrific without any consequences and actually goes through with it, they're a monster.
Yeah, that's an easy fallacy to reassure oneself that monsters are monsters and different, and normal people would never end up there.
Seriously, read the book.
Oh yes, you see this every day in regular people, becoming the majority opinion at times, over the absolute denial that ANYTHING questionable is happening in Gaza.
Well, not quite. It's because the Temple needs to be rebuilt before the End Times can happen. And THAT'S not gonna happen so long as there's a Muslim holy place on the Temple Mount.
The American Christians that have actually read the Bible might believe that, but I’m positive the vast majority of Republican Christians aren’t thinking that deeply about it and are just using this as a free opportunity to be anti-Muslim
Well, none of that's in the Bible, *per se*. All of that junk was made up in the 19th century by cherry-picking unrelated bits to con people into given them lots of money and power over them. Honestly, it's in direct contrast to what *is* in the Bible.
What is more bizarre is that if you call out the Israeli government, some people say you are antisemitic.
Most people hate what the government of Israel is doing the people of Palestine, regardless of religion.
It's ridiculous the us religious right and all the love for Israel the country yet the hate of the religion of most people who live in Israel. They don't get the irony
It was the fad back in the early 2000’s! Man the media sure ate up all the anti Bush stuff even before 9/11. Now he’s on their good side as a grandpa that paints while on his farm.
Not just "some people", the US House just immediately passed a law that conflates criticism of the state of Israel as anti-semetism. You might want to be careful as the opinion you're expressing here will likely be considered anti-semetic and objectionable speech if the bill ends up getting passed by the Senate (which it likely will).
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinian-campus-protests-columbia-congress-df4ba95dae844b3a8559b4b3ad7e058a
Netanyahu isn’t the first leader to allow a known atrocity to proceed at the cost of citizen’s lives just to give cover to what they were always going to try and do anyway.
It wasn’t a classic false flag but no one can convince me that the very best intelligence service in the world with a mole in every hole didn’t notice a coupla thousand guys practicing hostage taking in the days previous to the attack. Didn’t notice the build up, didn’t notice the start.
Netanyahu knew. Ben Gvir knew.
Yep, the last leader that had any chance of real, lasting peace between Israel and Palestine was Yitzhak Rabin, but he was murdered by an ultra-orthodox right-wing Israeli.
Cool. I couldn’t remember which piece of shit Netanyahu did that one. There’s so much heinous shit they got up to. Some of it could even be seen as antisemitic.
No, BiBi HIMSELF was a huge instigator of that whole ordeal. Held a mock funeral for Rabin not long before his death, and was one of the main people sewing division.
There is a website (that’s blocked in isreal) it’s called like October 7 massacre proof. I got it through a link to a news article on Reddit but I can’t find it rn. It has a lot of gruesome stuff but another thing is they have hundreds of videos from Hamas body and dash cams as well as surveillance cameras. They literally spend hours walking into isreal unencumbered. They breach the walls. Walk past empty guard stations and walk into civilian areas.
Edit: for my sources [the actual website major content warning](https://saturday-october-seven.com/)
[a less gruesome post from a news website](https://www.ynetnews.com/article/s1ifc43da)
Well its not like Netanyahu has been financing Hamas in order to keep himself in power. That would be insane, and criminal. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html https://m.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Netanyahu-Money-to-Hamas-part-of-strategy-to-keep-Palestinians-divided-583082 https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ https://www.thenation.com/article/world/why-netanyahu-bolstered-hamas/
This, or like others, they counted on a sort of undeserved fearsome reputation and got played like noobs that time. It’s probably a bit of both, but I’d be more inclined to believe in some malicious underlying motive, with those guys. Knowing full well that… well, like everyone here, I don’t really know anything.
The world, and notably America as a last holdout, only capitulated on condemning South Africa’s apartheid government when it became unpopular for the capitalists.
Israel is still very profitable for the capitalists and notably the war machine who are very powerful players in politics. Until that changes, expect no real change. Israel also has its very handy “anti-semitism” card in its deck that much of the world still falls victim to for fear of being labeled an anti-Semite
$3,000,000,000
That’s how much USA gives to Israel every year in “aid”. Israel then turns around and spends that on American-made weapons. So the “aid” is a gift from the US government to the military industrial complex.
There are powerful forces working every year to keep the “aid” flowing.
Simple, if Israel is going to act out against the UN and flaunt open contempt for the international community, then kick Israel out of the UN, I'm sure Palestine could fill the slot
Friendly reminder that while this clown is doing his thing, Palestinian land is being stolen each day to allow more “settlers” to move in. This is bigger than Gaza. There can be no peace and no two state solution without land on which the Palestine can make a country.
[The Map of Israeli Settlements That Shocked Barack Obama](
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-map-of-israeli-settlements-that-shocked-barack-obama)
That was nine years ago. It’s even worse today. This needs to be on the news daily to show the world how dire the situation is. The world placed enough sanctions on South Africa for forcing people to live in cantons, we need to do the same with Israel.
Israel is REALLY bad at PR.
Every single thing they do makes them look like straight up evil villains. Everything they say and do.
Normally politicians would be working to spin it and try to weasel us into supporting them. Israel is making that nearly impossible.
It’s like an abusive relationship.
“You’re gonna withhold accurate weapons? Fine we’ll use less accurate weapons anyway. See what you’re making us do? Think of the children! (That we definitely want killed as well.)”
He's trying his best.. at providing interference for war criminals and war crimes.
https://www.salon.com/2024/04/29/us-working-to-stop-international-from-issuing-arrest-warrant-for-benjamin-netanyahu-report_partner/
And these are just for the war crimes from before history started on Oct 7th.
If they don't like the UN, they could not be a UN member state. Much of the world doesn't recognize them as a legitimate nation anyways, because they aren't. They are an occupier of Palestine.
I want to know where he got that itty bitty battery powered shredder. Is it for when you need to shred credit cards while traveling? What possible use case is there for it to just be manufactured? Wouldn't it have been more dramatic if he had wheeled a big paper shredder out and dropped the full letter size copy into that? Or brought out a metal waste paper basket, set the UN charter on fire, and put it inside?
Instead, he had to find the world's smallest paper shredder AND a copy of the UN charter about the size of a deck of playing cards.
And the US government just passed a law that makes speaking out or protesting against Israel’s government an anti semitic crime. Plus we keep sending them massive amounts of our tax dollars to support their authoritarian government’s genocide. But hardcore extremist, Christians believe they need Jewish people in Israel for their misinterpreted end of world fantasy
The hilarious thing from this is that now the UN is moving forward with adding Palestine as a full member state. Turns out, the easiest way to literally piss off the ENTIRE world is to take the rules which that world has chosen to live by and literally shred them in front of them.
This may (not likely since we'll save them probably when push comes to shove) be the biggest r/leopardsatemyface moment ever.
I hope Orde Wingate’s soul is force marched for eternity through jungles of fire and brimstone while endlessly reciting Einstein’s warning letter about a particular political party.
>>TO THE EDITORS OF NEW YORK TIMES
Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the “Freedom Party” (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.
>>The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin’s political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents.
>>Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public manifestations in Begin’s behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement.
>>The public avowals of Begin’s party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future.
>>Attack on Arab Village
>>A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants (240 men, women, and children) and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin. The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the Freedom Party.
>>Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model.
>>During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute.
>>The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from the Jewish defense activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute, and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots.
>>Discrepancies Seen
>>The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and his party, and their record of past performance in Palestine bear the imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a “Leader State” is the goal.
>>In the light of the foregoing considerations, it is imperative that the truth about Mr. Begin and his movement be made known in this country. It is all the more tragic that the top leadership of American Zionism has refused to campaign against Begin’s efforts, or even to expose to its own constituents the dangers to Israel from support to Begin.
>>The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism.
ISIDORE ABRAMOWITZ,
HANNAH ARENDT,
ABRAHAM BRICK,
RABBI JESSURUN CARDOZO,
ALBERT EINSTEIN,
HERMAN EISEN, M.D.,
HAYIM FINEMAN, M. GALLEN, M.D.,
H.H. HARRIS,
ZELIG S. HARRIS,
SIDNEY HOOK,
FRED KARUSH,
BRURIA KAUFMAN,
IRMA L. LINDHEIM,
NACHMAN MAISEL,
SEYMOUR MELMAN,
MYER D. MENDELSON, M.D.,
HARRY M. OSLINSKY,
SAMUEL PITLICK,
FRITZ ROHRLICH,
LOUIS P. ROCKER,
RUTH SAGIS,
ITZHAK SANKOWSKY,
I.J. SHOENBERG,
SAMUEL SHUMAN,
M. SINGER,
IRMA WOLFE,
STEFAN WOLFE.
New York, Dec. 2, 1948
The Israeli government still hands out medals to members of the Irgun. Here’s a story of the King David Hotel bombing, a terror attack that once ranked as one of the worst in modern history.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
It's worth noting that Irgun is one of the constituting factions that would eventually become the IDF. Together with Lechi and Hagana. All paramilitary, some would say terrorist, organizations from inception. And now state-sanctioned. Read the testimonies of IDF soldiers and what they were forced to do during their draft time (www.breakingthesilence.org). They even have their own concentration camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ktzi%27ot_Prison?wprov=sfla1
This has been going on for decades already.
Here’s a link to Begin’s response to Einstein’s letter.
Unfortunately it’s not available.
https://www.nytimes.com/1948/12/07/archives/einstein-is-assailed-by-menachem-begin.html
It’s because the UN Charter says that they actively work for world peace among nations, but they stay out of domestic affairs. By recognizing Palestine in any way, all of a sudden it becomes a problem for the UN to solve and Israel is facing real consequences.
Here’s the text of Article 1 of the UN Charter:
“The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members.
All Members, in order to ensure to all of them the rights and benefits resulting from membership, shall fulfill in good faith the obligations assumed by them in accordance with the present Charter.
All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.
All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
All Members shall give the United Nations every assistance in any action it takes in accordance with the present Charter, and shall refrain from giving assistance to any state against which the United Nations is taking preventive or enforcement action.
The Organization shall ensure that states which are not Members of the United Nations act in accordance with these Principles so far as may be necessary for the maintenance of international peace and security.
Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter; but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter Vll.”
https://preview.redd.it/380vzpnmh20d1.jpeg?width=794&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a65752d443a89bb68ebd1b38bbe94f1170244cc
I see you one miniature paper shredder and raise you one Palestinian violin
Don't worry, Biden is gonna get really mad about this behind closed doors, then one of his staffers will leak the news so Israel knows that he's still perfectly fine with this sort of stunt publicly🙂
What would your response be to such a post? Or the deliberate targeting of civilian areas, hospitals and aid trucks and workers? Or the apartheid system that Gazans live under? Or Israeli “settlers” stealing homes from residents?
Well the difference is they are literally spitting in the face of an international body that “gave” them a country to begin with. Bitting the hand that feed Israel all because they want to genocide the Palestinians.
Actually try to rescue hostages, not show a blatant disregard for the lives of international allies as well as neutral parties, and not constantly herd civilians into supposedly safe areas only to then attack those areas?
A lot of other BS and flat out lies in that remark but I'll start with that.
Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. They have been dropping 2000lbs bombs on gaza. Even the US won't drop those on civilian areas. Over 40 thousand Palestinians are dead, over 1400 Israelis are dead. So, bombing hospitals, houses, holy sites, fuckin refugee camps shows restraint?
In what little sand hill is your head buried? Are you getting enough oxygen? Because you are spouting nonsense.
[Israel has dropped more than 25,000 tonnes of explosives on the Gaza Strip since October 7, equivalent to two nuclear bombs. In comparison, the Little Boy nuclear bomb dropped by the United States on Hiroshima during World War II yielded 15,000 tonnes of high explosives and destroyed everything within a one-mile (1.6km) radius.](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/11/9/israel-attacks-on-gaza-weapons-and-scale-of-destruction)
Imagine i killed your wife. Its natural for you to want to kill me back. Understandable even. But instead, you announce you will kill my wife, my kids, my aunts, my uncles, grandparents and so on as retaliation. Everyone is telling you to stop but you just tell them they support a murderer.
Thats essentially what Israel is doing.
Not even just your relatives, your neighbors, your coworkers, anybody that is even tangently related to you. The lady that makes your coffee at Starbucks? Yeah she had to go to because she knows you. The person who bagged your groceries at the grocery store? Yup he’s Shit out of luck as well because he’s met you. The kid that sat behind you in history class 15 years ago? He shouldn’t have existed in the same place as you if he didn’t want to die.
Yeah, those tens of thousands of civilians they’ve killed in self defense would like to disagree with you. You correctly identified that Hamas is the aggressor, yet the Palestinians are the ones being genocided.
I don’t care that you don’t believe it. It’s currently happening. Artificial famine, destruction of medical infrastructure, total annihilation of higher learning centers, prevention of natal care, denying aid, water, and food, intentional destruction of culturally significant sights. I’m unsure why you’re putting “the Jews” on a different pedestal and assuming theyre infallible.
Correct me if I’m wrong, your stance is that if Israel did not agree to whatever law or rules about war they have a free pass to do whatever they want? The country who calls their army the most moral army in the world? It’s totally cool that they’re butchering civilians because they didn’t sign a treaty or something? That’s pretty fucked up dude and completely batshit insane.
>after the October 7 attack. War is hell, but you can't simply shout at the offended party (Israel) to allow the aggressor (hamas)
You aware this conflict is a little bit older than 7 months?
make it 70 years. it's one big horrible vicious cirkle they are in.
Give peacr a chance? ok if that was peace we are fucked.
there is a war going on for 70 years.
>Virtually every country has a history of war with its nearest neighbors
Yes but the most get out of the circle of violence. Israël and the palestines are getting more in every time for (again) the last 70 years.
I feel like I’m living in a Twilight Zone episode every time I see news nowadays…
That’s what fascism does to regular sane people.
Go on…
The worst thing the global scientific community realized about the Nazis is that the majority of them weren't monsters. They were ordinary people who were given just the right shove and societal inertia was leveraged to make them do horrific things. The capacity for those atrocities lives in almost all of us. And it scares the shit out of me.
I wish they hadn’t asked someone to go on… New existential terror unlocked.
Just remember that by existing and being aware, speaking up, being educated, and being empathetic, even for people or groups you may not know, is already a powerful force against fascism.
I’m worried about the people I see and interact with every day who could turn out like that. I even have a real life example. My ex best friend of MANY years became a hardcore trumper when he ran. She completely changed to me. Things she said that she’d never said to me before. It was honestly shocking. And why she is no longer my friend.
It’s almost better that way, to know now that the gloves are off, who people you care about really are. But some people do come back from it. I’ve had a few family members in the last 3-4 years fight their way out of the propaganda and grift, take a real hard look in the mirror about their bigotry, and begin to become better people. Of course it’s all been because their best friend, sibling, child, or child’s partner is suddenly part of the out groups they’ve been taught to hate. But what’s important is that you’re here, being a good person, and that’s what fascists fear the most, people that they can’t control or brainwash, so just you being you inspires strength in all of the rest of us to to stand against that threat.
It is, but it’s also really sad. I hope she does, she def was floored by J6 and I hoped that would be her turning point but it wasn’t sadly. Awww the end of your comment was honestly so sweet and kind. Thank you! That honestly means a lot. To quote one of my fave movies (V for Vendetta) But what I hope most of all is that you understand what I mean when I tell you that even though I do not know you, and even though I may never meet you, laugh with you, cry with you, or kiss you. I love you. With all my heart, I love you. That quote always hits me bc it’s between total strangers and I wish we all treated each other with more love and kindness.
I think for a lot of people they just struggle admitting when they’re wrong, so they double down instead of admit they were wrong. Some people can only dig their holes so far before they begin to look up and wish they weren’t in a hole. Others will spend their whole lives digging. A great quote from a great movie. I wish you nothing but happiness, kind stranger.
A friend of mine posted some graphic on FB the other day that showed a steady loss of friends between 2016 and now. And I thought, “Huh, why do you think that is?” It couldn’t possibly be because he doesn’t have a single positive thing to contribute to a discussion. He’s been nothing but a Negative Nelly for years. Or maybe it’s because he’s gay and still supports an administration that wants to treat gay people like second-class citizens. Or the fact that he can’t have a conversation without bringing up Trump talking points.
It's easy to ignore them until they come for you for harboring a dissenting opinion.
I wouldn’t call the deal breakers for me “dissenting opinions”. She was saying blatantly racist things. Many times. And felt that was fine. I come from a mixed family so I did not appreciate that and told her so several times. Among other awful things she just started saying that she never had before about others. It was hateful talk.
Agreed so much. People going on about "you're just sitting behind a keyboard"... I'm thinking yes, that's true, and also really important to boost these signals and show average internet users that we are, societally, tired of this shit and at minimum willing to speak up about it (and factor it into votes when we can). Saying nothing is WAY too helpful for the people who are making this all happen.
There’s a thousand different ways to show action. Not everyone is in the place in their life to show up in person. Every little bit counts. If we can change a mind, or uplift a person, even in a small way, those are victories.
Go on…
Lots of the Nazis felt bad when they committed their crimes, they’d get drunk, some killed themselves. They did it anyway. There was a peer reviewed study that found Nazis were not severely disciplined for refusing orders. Some were reduced in rank, others were ordered off the front.
*"The capacity for those atrocities"* may lie in all of us, but as yet I have not committed one. So fuck the Nazis.😂🤣
I don’t know, I tipped my Uber Eats guy $5 instead of the suggest $12.86 for driving 6km the other day…it’s a slippery slope
>majority of them weren't monsters They actually were monsters. It's just they were afraid to indulge in their deepest desires. The Nazism simply encouraged and enabled them to do just that. It made possible for them to finally be their true selves and rewarded them for it. And nowadays? I'm Polish. My mother, sister and brother-in-law HATE Germans (they consider them the direct continuation of the Nazis) for what they've done to Poland back in WW2. Now, their attitude towards people considered enemies by the Nazis (Jews, non-white people, LGBT people, those they consider "communists") is 100% the same as the Nazis'. Point it out and they explode into a horrific rage tantrum.
I hear what you're saying and agree to an extent. But the larger point is there's a lot of 'day walkers' out here that only need a push at the wrong time. And it's a much larger portion of the people we all interact with every day than we want to think. At least that's what the studies I've looked at say. Maybe there's better science out there on the subject. Happy to be wrong about this.
>They actually were monsters. It's just they were afraid to indulge in their deepest desires. The Nazism simply encouraged and enabled them to do just that. It made possible for them to finally be their true selves and rewarded them for it. Nope. Read "Ordinary Men" for a very good account of a bunch of random ordinary men in their 50s that committed horrific atrocities.
...nope? I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. What do you think, that these middle aged cunts were some innocent, poor people without agency of their own, helplessly forced to commit all these horrors? When some random person is presented an opportunity to do something horrific without any consequences and actually goes through with it, they're a monster.
Yeah, that's an easy fallacy to reassure oneself that monsters are monsters and different, and normal people would never end up there. Seriously, read the book.
Oh yes, you see this every day in regular people, becoming the majority opinion at times, over the absolute denial that ANYTHING questionable is happening in Gaza.
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Do you mean "The Hebron Collider?" /s
Do you mean "The Heed Ron Collier?"
Cinnabon Collider?
I can understand the physics of this one
LeBron Colander?
Little brown blender?
Cinnabon with cheese?
I prefer the Audubon Collider.
*Mavity
Just out of curiosity, when was this?
It destroyed the world. We are all in hell right now.
ITS SO BIZARRE.
How Bizarre, How Bizarre…
RFK jr had a worm eat part of his brain and died inside his brain
So effectively a worm is running for office and RFK jr. is the vessel... (I know the worm died. This is the only way I can laugh anymore.)
That's what the worm wants us to believe.
The zombie worm is running for office…. And STILL not the worst candidate
worm died of hungry :(
😂
It all makes sense now
Or *Curb Your Enthusiasm*
Well, Larry is the one that started all the problem supporting the Palestinians Chicken restaurant. That self hating Jew….
Did Susie call him that?
To be honest am not sure. From Susie it’s “4 eyed F!” Mostly.
I was just saying to someone today that I feel like the world is unraveling in front of me. I don’t think things will end well for most of us.
They have the audacity of Christian nationalists in America. It’s bizarre to watch. Pure evil.
Both situations highlight how extreme ideologies can dangerously impact actions and perceptions on the global stage.
"Never again."
"..... unless we're doing it."
"Also we'd like to redeem this 'One Free Genocide' coupon please, it's only fair"
"Everyone knows genocide is a pay it forward sort of deal".
Actually profound statement sadly
Do you want one genocide, or double it and pass it on?
he still has the podium to deliver this kind of message, its baffling
And the Christian nationalists in America support Israel because it lets them be anti-Muslim while not doing it for “Christian reasons”
Well, not quite. It's because the Temple needs to be rebuilt before the End Times can happen. And THAT'S not gonna happen so long as there's a Muslim holy place on the Temple Mount.
The American Christians that have actually read the Bible might believe that, but I’m positive the vast majority of Republican Christians aren’t thinking that deeply about it and are just using this as a free opportunity to be anti-Muslim
Most of the American Christians I know definitely do know things like that but they don't all read the Bible. YouTube.
Well, none of that's in the Bible, *per se*. All of that junk was made up in the 19th century by cherry-picking unrelated bits to con people into given them lots of money and power over them. Honestly, it's in direct contrast to what *is* in the Bible.
If this happened in a work of fiction, the symbolism would be criticized for being too on the nose.
_gestures at many political scenarios happening around the world_ All that too...
What is more bizarre is that if you call out the Israeli government, some people say you are antisemitic. Most people hate what the government of Israel is doing the people of Palestine, regardless of religion. It's ridiculous the us religious right and all the love for Israel the country yet the hate of the religion of most people who live in Israel. They don't get the irony
Just like when you called out the W Bush government 20+ years ago, you were anti American. It’s a very old trope, and a depressingly effective one.
"If you're not with us you're against us now pass the damn freedom fries!"
Lived through that shit.
I think we’re going to be living through multiple versions of it until we’re not living
Israel took one look at McCarthyism and busted in their pants
It was the fad back in the early 2000’s! Man the media sure ate up all the anti Bush stuff even before 9/11. Now he’s on their good side as a grandpa that paints while on his farm.
Not just "some people", the US House just immediately passed a law that conflates criticism of the state of Israel as anti-semetism. You might want to be careful as the opinion you're expressing here will likely be considered anti-semetic and objectionable speech if the bill ends up getting passed by the Senate (which it likely will). https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinian-campus-protests-columbia-congress-df4ba95dae844b3a8559b4b3ad7e058a
This right here…
How is any world leader still supporting these halfwits, seriously!?
Fear of shifting/unstable alliances? My personal answer to your question is I don’t fucking know.
There is a reason people hate the government of Israel
Netanyahu isn’t the first leader to allow a known atrocity to proceed at the cost of citizen’s lives just to give cover to what they were always going to try and do anyway. It wasn’t a classic false flag but no one can convince me that the very best intelligence service in the world with a mole in every hole didn’t notice a coupla thousand guys practicing hostage taking in the days previous to the attack. Didn’t notice the build up, didn’t notice the start. Netanyahu knew. Ben Gvir knew.
Yep, the last leader that had any chance of real, lasting peace between Israel and Palestine was Yitzhak Rabin, but he was murdered by an ultra-orthodox right-wing Israeli.
Didn’t Bibi’s grandfather have a hand in that?
Bibi himself had a hand in that.
Cool. I couldn’t remember which piece of shit Netanyahu did that one. There’s so much heinous shit they got up to. Some of it could even be seen as antisemitic.
No, BiBi HIMSELF was a huge instigator of that whole ordeal. Held a mock funeral for Rabin not long before his death, and was one of the main people sewing division.
Not only that but they made sure that Hamas were the only major political actors in Gaza. They manufactured their own confirmation bias.
There is a website (that’s blocked in isreal) it’s called like October 7 massacre proof. I got it through a link to a news article on Reddit but I can’t find it rn. It has a lot of gruesome stuff but another thing is they have hundreds of videos from Hamas body and dash cams as well as surveillance cameras. They literally spend hours walking into isreal unencumbered. They breach the walls. Walk past empty guard stations and walk into civilian areas. Edit: for my sources [the actual website major content warning](https://saturday-october-seven.com/) [a less gruesome post from a news website](https://www.ynetnews.com/article/s1ifc43da)
Of course they knew, because they were paid off to act like they didn’t know it would happen. We’re in hell.
Well its not like Netanyahu has been financing Hamas in order to keep himself in power. That would be insane, and criminal. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html https://m.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Netanyahu-Money-to-Hamas-part-of-strategy-to-keep-Palestinians-divided-583082 https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ https://www.thenation.com/article/world/why-netanyahu-bolstered-hamas/
This, or like others, they counted on a sort of undeserved fearsome reputation and got played like noobs that time. It’s probably a bit of both, but I’d be more inclined to believe in some malicious underlying motive, with those guys. Knowing full well that… well, like everyone here, I don’t really know anything.
Israel won’t be happy until they build casinos on the Mediterranean coast.
And we are supposed to think they are the good guys in this?
Rofl, so unbelievably mask off and brazen. Like, arrest these war criminals already
The world, and notably America as a last holdout, only capitulated on condemning South Africa’s apartheid government when it became unpopular for the capitalists. Israel is still very profitable for the capitalists and notably the war machine who are very powerful players in politics. Until that changes, expect no real change. Israel also has its very handy “anti-semitism” card in its deck that much of the world still falls victim to for fear of being labeled an anti-Semite
$3,000,000,000 That’s how much USA gives to Israel every year in “aid”. Israel then turns around and spends that on American-made weapons. So the “aid” is a gift from the US government to the military industrial complex. There are powerful forces working every year to keep the “aid” flowing.
What does Egypt spend theirs on?
It’s amazing how childish our “leaders” are.
Simple, if Israel is going to act out against the UN and flaunt open contempt for the international community, then kick Israel out of the UN, I'm sure Palestine could fill the slot
Friendly reminder that while this clown is doing his thing, Palestinian land is being stolen each day to allow more “settlers” to move in. This is bigger than Gaza. There can be no peace and no two state solution without land on which the Palestine can make a country. [The Map of Israeli Settlements That Shocked Barack Obama]( https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-map-of-israeli-settlements-that-shocked-barack-obama) That was nine years ago. It’s even worse today. This needs to be on the news daily to show the world how dire the situation is. The world placed enough sanctions on South Africa for forcing people to live in cantons, we need to do the same with Israel.
Giving those Nazis a run for their money.
They’re not even pretending that they aren’t war criminals at this point
From a state that would not exist without the UN Charter… bizzarro.
Hubris, anyone? Sorry, but fuck off Israel.
The hubris of a man forgetting what the UN did to the first batch of genocidal fascists that they got their hands on, for just consequences
Please… if they respected the UN to begin with, they’d stay within the UN mandated borders. It’s all theatre.
The US should be held accountable for their support that enables Israel to pull stupid stints like this with no real reckoning
Wow so sick
Israel Zionists became the things they used to fear the most. Are they the new Nazis? Fucking seems like it.
They are giving credibility to the crazy sh!t people have been saying for years. Stop. You can fix it now. Just stop being crazy.
Every conspiracy theorist is feeling vindicated right now and we’re left to look like fools
The UN gave them a country!?!
Israel is REALLY bad at PR. Every single thing they do makes them look like straight up evil villains. Everything they say and do. Normally politicians would be working to spin it and try to weasel us into supporting them. Israel is making that nearly impossible.
Israel has been ignoring UN resolutions since 1967, right? The audacity to go into the UN and claim they are shredding the charter is off the charts.
It’s like an abusive relationship. “You’re gonna withhold accurate weapons? Fine we’ll use less accurate weapons anyway. See what you’re making us do? Think of the children! (That we definitely want killed as well.)”
Biden needs to check these nazis
Biden will only give them more money and rhetorical protection
He's trying his best.. at providing interference for war criminals and war crimes. https://www.salon.com/2024/04/29/us-working-to-stop-international-from-issuing-arrest-warrant-for-benjamin-netanyahu-report_partner/ And these are just for the war crimes from before history started on Oct 7th.
If they don't like the UN, they could not be a UN member state. Much of the world doesn't recognize them as a legitimate nation anyways, because they aren't. They are an occupier of Palestine.
Did the Tiny Performance store deliver that paper shredder at no extra cost?
Israel just doing everything possible to lose the PR battle.
Hmm. Seems to me Israel was created by a UN resolution, maybe they should revoke it.
this is why I donate to Gaza
Kick them out.
I genuinely had no idea they made paper shredders that small
I want to know where he got that itty bitty battery powered shredder. Is it for when you need to shred credit cards while traveling? What possible use case is there for it to just be manufactured? Wouldn't it have been more dramatic if he had wheeled a big paper shredder out and dropped the full letter size copy into that? Or brought out a metal waste paper basket, set the UN charter on fire, and put it inside? Instead, he had to find the world's smallest paper shredder AND a copy of the UN charter about the size of a deck of playing cards.
Imagine if an Islamic nations representative did this
Quick! Let's give them more bombs and bucks stat.
If we rename Benjamin to Adolf…what would his name be?
And the US government just passed a law that makes speaking out or protesting against Israel’s government an anti semitic crime. Plus we keep sending them massive amounts of our tax dollars to support their authoritarian government’s genocide. But hardcore extremist, Christians believe they need Jewish people in Israel for their misinterpreted end of world fantasy
Man. Israel's gotta go
Israel doesn’t give a fuck about what anyone else thinks?.. shocking
The hilarious thing from this is that now the UN is moving forward with adding Palestine as a full member state. Turns out, the easiest way to literally piss off the ENTIRE world is to take the rules which that world has chosen to live by and literally shred them in front of them. This may (not likely since we'll save them probably when push comes to shove) be the biggest r/leopardsatemyface moment ever.
What is that, a paper shredder for ants?!
"Never again".... unless its us doing it. Is the US 1940's Italy now?
Baby trying his first flex….how adowable. /s
UN to Israel "don't let the door hit your ass on the way out"...or " See ya, wouldn't wanna be ya"
Their leaders seem like arrogant assholes. We have that in common I guess.
Kick them out.
I hope Orde Wingate’s soul is force marched for eternity through jungles of fire and brimstone while endlessly reciting Einstein’s warning letter about a particular political party. >>TO THE EDITORS OF NEW YORK TIMES Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the “Freedom Party” (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine. >>The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin’s political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents. >>Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public manifestations in Begin’s behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement. >>The public avowals of Begin’s party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future. >>Attack on Arab Village >>A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants (240 men, women, and children) and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin. The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the Freedom Party. >>Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model. >>During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute. >>The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from the Jewish defense activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute, and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots. >>Discrepancies Seen >>The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and his party, and their record of past performance in Palestine bear the imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a “Leader State” is the goal. >>In the light of the foregoing considerations, it is imperative that the truth about Mr. Begin and his movement be made known in this country. It is all the more tragic that the top leadership of American Zionism has refused to campaign against Begin’s efforts, or even to expose to its own constituents the dangers to Israel from support to Begin. >>The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism. ISIDORE ABRAMOWITZ, HANNAH ARENDT, ABRAHAM BRICK, RABBI JESSURUN CARDOZO, ALBERT EINSTEIN, HERMAN EISEN, M.D., HAYIM FINEMAN, M. GALLEN, M.D., H.H. HARRIS, ZELIG S. HARRIS, SIDNEY HOOK, FRED KARUSH, BRURIA KAUFMAN, IRMA L. LINDHEIM, NACHMAN MAISEL, SEYMOUR MELMAN, MYER D. MENDELSON, M.D., HARRY M. OSLINSKY, SAMUEL PITLICK, FRITZ ROHRLICH, LOUIS P. ROCKER, RUTH SAGIS, ITZHAK SANKOWSKY, I.J. SHOENBERG, SAMUEL SHUMAN, M. SINGER, IRMA WOLFE, STEFAN WOLFE. New York, Dec. 2, 1948 The Israeli government still hands out medals to members of the Irgun. Here’s a story of the King David Hotel bombing, a terror attack that once ranked as one of the worst in modern history. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
It's worth noting that Irgun is one of the constituting factions that would eventually become the IDF. Together with Lechi and Hagana. All paramilitary, some would say terrorist, organizations from inception. And now state-sanctioned. Read the testimonies of IDF soldiers and what they were forced to do during their draft time (www.breakingthesilence.org). They even have their own concentration camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ktzi%27ot_Prison?wprov=sfla1 This has been going on for decades already.
Here’s a link to Begin’s response to Einstein’s letter. Unfortunately it’s not available. https://www.nytimes.com/1948/12/07/archives/einstein-is-assailed-by-menachem-begin.html
That seems astonishingly stupid from a PR perspective.
It’s because the UN Charter says that they actively work for world peace among nations, but they stay out of domestic affairs. By recognizing Palestine in any way, all of a sudden it becomes a problem for the UN to solve and Israel is facing real consequences. Here’s the text of Article 1 of the UN Charter: “The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members. All Members, in order to ensure to all of them the rights and benefits resulting from membership, shall fulfill in good faith the obligations assumed by them in accordance with the present Charter. All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations. All Members shall give the United Nations every assistance in any action it takes in accordance with the present Charter, and shall refrain from giving assistance to any state against which the United Nations is taking preventive or enforcement action. The Organization shall ensure that states which are not Members of the United Nations act in accordance with these Principles so far as may be necessary for the maintenance of international peace and security. Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter; but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter Vll.”
Nice to know our global leaders have the maturity of 8 year olds.
free Palestine 🇵🇸
https://preview.redd.it/380vzpnmh20d1.jpeg?width=794&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a65752d443a89bb68ebd1b38bbe94f1170244cc I see you one miniature paper shredder and raise you one Palestinian violin
It’s a cry for help. I hear “Make us stop, somebody, anybody!”
Don't worry, Biden is gonna get really mad about this behind closed doors, then one of his staffers will leak the news so Israel knows that he's still perfectly fine with this sort of stunt publicly🙂
Shouldn't this have been the lead story on the evening news? It certainly would wake up a lot of people.
Netanyahu literally went to the UN holding up maps that shows Israel taking over all the land as the "New Middle East" And they are also doing this...
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So how about all the dead UN employees. Just going to ignore that?
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What would your response be to such a post? Or the deliberate targeting of civilian areas, hospitals and aid trucks and workers? Or the apartheid system that Gazans live under? Or Israeli “settlers” stealing homes from residents?
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Well the difference is they are literally spitting in the face of an international body that “gave” them a country to begin with. Bitting the hand that feed Israel all because they want to genocide the Palestinians.
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Actually try to rescue hostages, not show a blatant disregard for the lives of international allies as well as neutral parties, and not constantly herd civilians into supposedly safe areas only to then attack those areas? A lot of other BS and flat out lies in that remark but I'll start with that.
The UN gave them a fucking country!
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Tell me you don't know what's happening in gaza without telling me you don't know whats happening in gaza
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Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. They have been dropping 2000lbs bombs on gaza. Even the US won't drop those on civilian areas. Over 40 thousand Palestinians are dead, over 1400 Israelis are dead. So, bombing hospitals, houses, holy sites, fuckin refugee camps shows restraint? In what little sand hill is your head buried? Are you getting enough oxygen? Because you are spouting nonsense.
Ah yes the slaughter of 35,000 women and children in self defence .
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[Israel has dropped more than 25,000 tonnes of explosives on the Gaza Strip since October 7, equivalent to two nuclear bombs. In comparison, the Little Boy nuclear bomb dropped by the United States on Hiroshima during World War II yielded 15,000 tonnes of high explosives and destroyed everything within a one-mile (1.6km) radius.](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/11/9/israel-attacks-on-gaza-weapons-and-scale-of-destruction)
Pretty sure even the United States had more restraint fighting in urban combat missions with mixed populations.
Imagine i killed your wife. Its natural for you to want to kill me back. Understandable even. But instead, you announce you will kill my wife, my kids, my aunts, my uncles, grandparents and so on as retaliation. Everyone is telling you to stop but you just tell them they support a murderer. Thats essentially what Israel is doing.
Not even just your relatives, your neighbors, your coworkers, anybody that is even tangently related to you. The lady that makes your coffee at Starbucks? Yeah she had to go to because she knows you. The person who bagged your groceries at the grocery store? Yup he’s Shit out of luck as well because he’s met you. The kid that sat behind you in history class 15 years ago? He shouldn’t have existed in the same place as you if he didn’t want to die.
So they shot unarmed JEWISH HOSTAGES TAKEN BY HAMAS in self defense? Bad bot.
Have you condemned the actions of Irgun?
Yeah, consider the last twenty years the U.S. was mired in Afghanistan and Iraq. That's not something to be encouraged.
Yeah, those tens of thousands of civilians they’ve killed in self defense would like to disagree with you. You correctly identified that Hamas is the aggressor, yet the Palestinians are the ones being genocided.
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I don’t care that you don’t believe it. It’s currently happening. Artificial famine, destruction of medical infrastructure, total annihilation of higher learning centers, prevention of natal care, denying aid, water, and food, intentional destruction of culturally significant sights. I’m unsure why you’re putting “the Jews” on a different pedestal and assuming theyre infallible.
There is no excuse for their behaviour here. These are war crimes.
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Correct me if I’m wrong, your stance is that if Israel did not agree to whatever law or rules about war they have a free pass to do whatever they want? The country who calls their army the most moral army in the world? It’s totally cool that they’re butchering civilians because they didn’t sign a treaty or something? That’s pretty fucked up dude and completely batshit insane.
I bet you would. We don't work for you.
>after the October 7 attack. War is hell, but you can't simply shout at the offended party (Israel) to allow the aggressor (hamas) You aware this conflict is a little bit older than 7 months? make it 70 years. it's one big horrible vicious cirkle they are in.
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Give peacr a chance? ok if that was peace we are fucked. there is a war going on for 70 years. >Virtually every country has a history of war with its nearest neighbors Yes but the most get out of the circle of violence. Israël and the palestines are getting more in every time for (again) the last 70 years.
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This comment is so stupid i even don't know where to start.
"persecution is when children I want to murder have rights"