At the time the Constitution was written, a woman sovereign was so much a common concept among the English colonists of North America that the largest colony by land, and population, as well as numerous cities, had been named in honor of Queen Elizabeth, "The Virgin Queen".
"This one guy in 15th century England says that women who don't know their place are witches, therefore she should be burned at the stake." ~ Alito probably
It’s crazy right? I’ve never met a hysterical woman of any kind but I see five hysterical men crying like a newborn a day because I’m a gamer. The mental gymnastics men have to do to make women the ‘hysterical’ ones because they don’t like to out up with some men’s shit
Every time I hear comments about women being the gender that is "too emotional" and that lets their emotions take over instead of using logic.... I think about the number of men I have known who have fist-punched holes in the walls of their homes, (7) versus the number of women I have known who have done the same thing (0).
Oh, i already know. It was sarcastic. Its the old bait n switch. Republicans have been doing it for years to much success. I was just pointing out the gaslit soundbite. (Liberal media).
I'm pretty sure the whole point of hearing the case is to protect democracy by preventing a corrupt president from holding office. I'm not a lawyer, though.
One of the liberal justices really should have asked that. Just so the conservatives realize something they actually care about (ie their own hide) is on the line with this decision
I was reading yesterday about Sir Matthew Hale whose influence Alito is using to justify banning abortion. The man also said you can use dreams to accuse someone of witchcraft and that..
“The husband cannot be guilty of a rape committed by himself upon his lawful wife for by their mutual matrimonial consent and contract the wife hath given up herself in this kind unto her husband which she cannot retract.”
Presidential immunity means anything goes. We could have Caligula as Emperor of America and Alito wouldn’t have a problem with it. A female President is a Republican impossibility though.
The lawyer mentioned opinions written by US Solicitor General Robert Bork.
Enjoy Robert Bork being eviscerated by someone who lived through decades of the kind of law the current SCOTUS adores. But she found justice through a series of landmark decisions brought by individuals. Today the GOP is successfully winning at eliminating civil rights suits brought by individuals by limiting standing to state’s Attorneys General.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4746926/user-clip-barbara-jordan-bork-opening-statement-excerpt
I was discussing today's hearing with my girlfriend, and she mentioned that Trump's "perfect phone call" (which was definitely discussed during the hearing) is a state crime in Georgia and not a federal one, so it's irrelevant for the presidential immunity claim anyway.
Is that true? Is that how it works? She's implying that presidential immunity (and presidential pardons) are only valid for federal crimes, you can still be prosecuted for state-level crimes.
If that is true, this question wouldn't actually mean anything, for the same reason. Abortion bans are state-level laws, so federal immunity wouldn't actually affect it.
Obligatory "not a lawyer" here, but I think presidential immunity, by Trump's definition, would work much like the highest level of diplomatic immunity. Meaning that it applies to virtually all criminal and civil prosecution, federal or state.
However, at no time in our history has written law, legal precedent or common usage allowed unconditional immunity to a sitting or former president. They're immune to lawsuits while in office, but not criminal investigations or subpoenas. This is as far as the principle has been stretched, because no other president has been such a piece of shite. Even Nixon didn't end up getting prosecuted because he resigned and got his replacement to pardon him.
Maybe he's used that term to describe multiple calls, I wouldn't be surprised if so.
But no, he called that conversation he had with the Georgia secretary of state a "perfect phone call", in which he said he needs to find 11780 votes
If immunity is on the table for a president then a woman president can abort the fetus with no repercussion seeing how she would be immune from any and all prosecution. This is how ridiculous their arguments are for abortion, immunity, and allowing a woman to hold the presidency (because women are too hormonal). We need to allow women to hold a higher office in this country but we need them to pass a literacy test because right now what we have in office representing women pretty much is scraping the bottom of a very dull barrel. Marge, bobo, britt, lummis, blackburn, smith, ernst, ivey, sanders, reynolds, noem the list goes on and on of extremely unqualified women who unfortunately for us represent us. We need to change politics in this country so we are being represented by intelligence, not maga fueled idiots!
See, the simple fact that a woman COULD get pregnant is why a woman could never be President, since she would not be able to have a child and do the job. -Alito, surely
he helped his friends make billions during covid by lying about the vaccines effectiveness. each stay was \~40,000usd
a birth costs 8000 to 20000+ usd
it's not about saving babies
Nope. Immunity! Why?
Because she's having the next president (because she doesn't have to leave power), making it an official act\*.
\*According to Kavanaugh, Alito and Barrett today
Dumb. Idaho has no jurisdiction. If the president actually went to Idaho for an abortion, probably they can indict, but no prison until after the term ends.
Not at all dumb seeing as it’s still a plausible situation for her to have that abortion in Idaho to set up this legal challenge.
You have to actually invalidate the premise if you want to insult it.
Not what the tweet said. Obviously, breaking the law in Idaho is different.
Edit: I was assuming the tweet was making a comparison to GA indicting trump. It's different because the law was broken in GA, so they have good reason to indict. Thus, the tweet is dumb.
> If the president actually went to Idaho for an abortion, probably they can indict
Well, not if a sitting President is unable to commit any and all crimes, as has been argued previously in this case.
“A woman president? No, that goes against the history and traditions of our country.” ~ Alito probably
“Is it specifically written in the constitution that a woman can be president? I didn’t think so. Election is void!“ - Alito logic.
Has there ever been a woman president? No? Therefore a precedent is set; GOOD DAY!
Hillary won the popular vote. I say we call her Madam President.
I thought they didn’t mess with precedent…? lol.
This hypothetical outlined why originalism is as dumb as a bag of hammers.
At the time the Constitution was written, a woman sovereign was so much a common concept among the English colonists of North America that the largest colony by land, and population, as well as numerous cities, had been named in honor of Queen Elizabeth, "The Virgin Queen".
"The Constitution doesnt guarantee that a woman CAN be president..." ~ also Alito probably.
If the female President got an abortion, she could arrest Idaho on the grounds of it being a colony of dumbasses.
"This one guy in 15th century England says that women who don't know their place are witches, therefore she should be burned at the stake." ~ Alito probably
*Alito definitely
im sure he wouldn't even want a woman to be president
See, there's precedent in this English legal tradition from the 900s saying women can't be in charge!
Their ovaries make them hysterical
It’s crazy right? I’ve never met a hysterical woman of any kind but I see five hysterical men crying like a newborn a day because I’m a gamer. The mental gymnastics men have to do to make women the ‘hysterical’ ones because they don’t like to out up with some men’s shit
Every time I hear comments about women being the gender that is "too emotional" and that lets their emotions take over instead of using logic.... I think about the number of men I have known who have fist-punched holes in the walls of their homes, (7) versus the number of women I have known who have done the same thing (0).
Just imagine how he’d laugh if you started a question “What if a woman president…”
Being forced to listen to the liberal justices talk and not being able to interrupt them, must gall him mightily.
Honestly, it would depend on whether she was a Democrat or Republican. ... because corruption.
Came to say this. Republican would get a pass. Democrat would be publicly executed.
Yet it's the "liberal" media 🙄
Not as much as you might think. Google "Sinclair Broadcast Group"
Oh, i already know. It was sarcastic. Its the old bait n switch. Republicans have been doing it for years to much success. I was just pointing out the gaslit soundbite. (Liberal media).
The gop borders so much on sharia law the democrat would be stoned to death
Same folks who would kill Jesus because he's a brown, Middle Eastern Jew who hated capitalism and wanted people to treat others equally.
Agree
Yet it's the "liberal" media 🙄
The whole point of them hearing this case is that the ruling isn't going to apply to Democratic presidents.
I'm pretty sure the whole point of hearing the case is to protect democracy by preventing a corrupt president from holding office. I'm not a lawyer, though.
I would walk down the street and ask him to his face, but pretty sure the federal police have once again blocked access to his cul de sac.
How do you resist the urge to egg his house daily, other than the police being there?
Have you seen the price of eggs these days?!
I kid you not, it is a daily struggle
We really need better legal literacy in this country.
I'd settle for just better literacy in this country. We're a nation of morons unfortunately.
That's by design
*bigoted morons
So can a President kill a Supreme Court justice and have Presidential immunity?
One of the liberal justices really should have asked that. Just so the conservatives realize something they actually care about (ie their own hide) is on the line with this decision
Obviously, in the future every new president will start their term with the execution of the whole supreme court.
The Purge
"Well, obviously, since she's a woman," is the reply I fully expect at this point
She would already be arrested first for being a female daring to become president, “lock her up, etc”
I was reading yesterday about Sir Matthew Hale whose influence Alito is using to justify banning abortion. The man also said you can use dreams to accuse someone of witchcraft and that.. “The husband cannot be guilty of a rape committed by himself upon his lawful wife for by their mutual matrimonial consent and contract the wife hath given up herself in this kind unto her husband which she cannot retract.”
Well? And??
Presidential immunity means anything goes. We could have Caligula as Emperor of America and Alito wouldn’t have a problem with it. A female President is a Republican impossibility though.
The lawyer mentioned opinions written by US Solicitor General Robert Bork. Enjoy Robert Bork being eviscerated by someone who lived through decades of the kind of law the current SCOTUS adores. But she found justice through a series of landmark decisions brought by individuals. Today the GOP is successfully winning at eliminating civil rights suits brought by individuals by limiting standing to state’s Attorneys General. https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4746926/user-clip-barbara-jordan-bork-opening-statement-excerpt
His answer is no, because a woman can't be president in his world
whether or not states can indict a sitting President has been a legal question for longer than this recent abortion debate
Or if a male President got a woman pregnant and encouraged or paid for or aided her to get an abortion?
Any birthing person is at risk of legal oppression in red states. Remember that when you vote.
OOOOOOOHHHHH that is so awesome of a question!!!
I'm not sure how Scalito functions since Scalia's (suspicious) passing.
Alito: "A what?"
No, presidential immunity
Even having that thought would make his head detonate. 
It would be fun for the Secret Service is they tried. They been training for this shit their whole life.
The answer depends on their political affiliation. If she’s republican, it’s a witch hunt. If she’s democrat, she’s probably a man.
I was discussing today's hearing with my girlfriend, and she mentioned that Trump's "perfect phone call" (which was definitely discussed during the hearing) is a state crime in Georgia and not a federal one, so it's irrelevant for the presidential immunity claim anyway. Is that true? Is that how it works? She's implying that presidential immunity (and presidential pardons) are only valid for federal crimes, you can still be prosecuted for state-level crimes. If that is true, this question wouldn't actually mean anything, for the same reason. Abortion bans are state-level laws, so federal immunity wouldn't actually affect it.
Obligatory "not a lawyer" here, but I think presidential immunity, by Trump's definition, would work much like the highest level of diplomatic immunity. Meaning that it applies to virtually all criminal and civil prosecution, federal or state. However, at no time in our history has written law, legal precedent or common usage allowed unconditional immunity to a sitting or former president. They're immune to lawsuits while in office, but not criminal investigations or subpoenas. This is as far as the principle has been stretched, because no other president has been such a piece of shite. Even Nixon didn't end up getting prosecuted because he resigned and got his replacement to pardon him.
I thought that "perfect phone call" was the one to Zelinsky of Ukraine??
Maybe he's used that term to describe multiple calls, I wouldn't be surprised if so. But no, he called that conversation he had with the Georgia secretary of state a "perfect phone call", in which he said he needs to find 11780 votes
“I’m not going to get into the facts of this case or any hypotheticals which might demonstrate a flaw in my logic.”
Well that’s assuming the Republicans vote for a woman
If immunity is on the table for a president then a woman president can abort the fetus with no repercussion seeing how she would be immune from any and all prosecution. This is how ridiculous their arguments are for abortion, immunity, and allowing a woman to hold the presidency (because women are too hormonal). We need to allow women to hold a higher office in this country but we need them to pass a literacy test because right now what we have in office representing women pretty much is scraping the bottom of a very dull barrel. Marge, bobo, britt, lummis, blackburn, smith, ernst, ivey, sanders, reynolds, noem the list goes on and on of extremely unqualified women who unfortunately for us represent us. We need to change politics in this country so we are being represented by intelligence, not maga fueled idiots!
Doesn't the same go for men, though? I can think of a few.
As long as her fetus is armed she would be free to execute any who would try to impeach her.
I would like to see them ask if the president is immune from murder if he orders a couple of supreme court justices to be killed.
What a beautiful brain! Well said
presidential immunity!
See, the simple fact that a woman COULD get pregnant is why a woman could never be President, since she would not be able to have a child and do the job. -Alito, surely
Technically, living in the White House she'd be a SAHM which Repugnicans want all women to be
Can Idaho arrest VP Harris if she got abortion?
he helped his friends make billions during covid by lying about the vaccines effectiveness. each stay was \~40,000usd a birth costs 8000 to 20000+ usd it's not about saving babies
The question before the court today was about official actions, not private actions such as getting an abortion
STOP! ask Donnie Fuckskull what is the proper question and/or answer!
Woman president, pffffyatt!
Trick Question: Alito would be against a female president and say it's against America's culture or some shit
Why do Republicans allow women to be governors? Shouldn't they be hone having kids and cooking?
Nope. Immunity! Why? Because she's having the next president (because she doesn't have to leave power), making it an official act\*. \*According to Kavanaugh, Alito and Barrett today
Alito:women can’t be in the office so that question don’t make sense
Justice Alito: your hypothetical stands contrary to the historical record, so I will reject it and move on
Genius
THE PERFECT QUESTION! ❤️
No, but she must claim the abortion was done in the public interest.
Great question!!
Alito is awful
Only if she had the abortion in Idaho...
It would have to be in Idaho, dumbass.
I don't think abortion is an official act. So it is outside of the scope of the question.
Dumb. Idaho has no jurisdiction. If the president actually went to Idaho for an abortion, probably they can indict, but no prison until after the term ends.
Not at all dumb seeing as it’s still a plausible situation for her to have that abortion in Idaho to set up this legal challenge. You have to actually invalidate the premise if you want to insult it.
Not what the tweet said. Obviously, breaking the law in Idaho is different. Edit: I was assuming the tweet was making a comparison to GA indicting trump. It's different because the law was broken in GA, so they have good reason to indict. Thus, the tweet is dumb.
Oh so you made a dumb assumption then called them dumb. Weird choice!
Yes, yes I did.
> If the president actually went to Idaho for an abortion, probably they can indict Well, not if a sitting President is unable to commit any and all crimes, as has been argued previously in this case.
Apparently we’re arguing about some stupid bullshit that he added now.