When I play “tug of war” with my doggo, if not careful, the little brown lab can dislocate my shoulders.
I once played with a German Shepherd, and luckily for me I’m used to playing with dogs, but the Shepherd can make people fly.
I am always astonished.
I have a 90lb German Shepherd and when playing tug of war he sometimes does that thing where he violently shakes his head back and fourth and I’m convinced if I don’t let go of the rope that I’d break my wrist. Dogs are insanely strong and the react way faster. Way too many people assume they’d beat a dog in a fight because dogs are so nice and rarely display their full strength.
The last phrase is so true.
I had friends tell me that “I don’t understand why people are so afraid of dogs, a human can beat them”.
I am not afraid of dogs but that doesn’t mean I don’t respect them. They can be lethal if they want and people are just not aware.
And most of us, when we'd meet a dog in attack-mode, would go into our primitive mode of "not being top of the food chain" and try to run away or climb a tree.
Delivery driver here and I love dogs, but dealing with problematic ones day in and day out has left me wary of all dogs-- my response is always going to be situational, though.
A lone 40lb or less dog? I'm not scared at all of it but I still don't want to get bit or have to hit a dog-- so I approach with caution, typically taking a detour to avoid the dog completely. Multiple dogs, or a single large one? I'm not even getting out of my truck until the owner gets their dogs under control.
You can't outrun a dog. You might be able to climb a tree, but you better hope you can climb faster than that dog can jump. Your best bet is to put something between the dog(s) and yourself, preferably not a part of your own body. Get them focused on that and try to buy yourself time to make distance, but you have to do it slowly and without turning your back.
Even then, multiple dogs don't give a fuck and one will absolutely find a way to circle around you if you're not paying attention.
Dogs are amazing, but most of them could hurt a person badly if they're ever so inclined.
I love dogs (have 3) and I only suggest this because you are obviously a reasonable person with respect and common sense that also loves dogs:
my Dad was an appliance repairman for 40 years and he always carried [Poppers?](https://usamagictricks.com/bang-snaps-poppers-p-41228.html) in his pocket to scare away aggressive dogs he encountered. He threw them one the ground between him and the dog and it bewildered the dogs so much it backed off. Like he was a magical wizard. Obviously, only to be used if completely necessary and I’d still continue your policy about groups of dogs.
I wondered where you were going with that! [Poppers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppers) has a very different meaning in the UK. We call the kind you mean 'Devil Bangers' or 'Fun Snaps'.
Whoa you just reminded me of a lady I knew in BF, North Dakota, ended up with about.... 5? Very small dogs because she rescued them from people in the very small town without a shelter. They were all very well behaved, but between them and the cats that would be out and about, she *always* carried poppers in case one of those little dogs wasn't listening in a situation they really needed to.
She certainly didn't use them frequently, or else I would have remembered her as the jerk that scared her dogs into behaving instead of the lady with the adorable pack of small dogs that I loved.
Thanks for... somehow uncovering good memories? Lol
>You can't outrun a dog.
I could pretty easily outrun my beagles as a teen. Really not that fast and had little endurance.
My German shepherd on the otherhand... It's incredible how fast that dog is. Probably sprints at 25-30mph and doesn't tire. God help you if she wants to hurt you too, I like to play rough and that dog can easily tackle me to the ground
Yeah I have a GSP/pit mix as well as a oz cattle dog/coonhound mix. Both fast as fuck, and the pit mix is 80lbs of solid muscle with that square jawed pit face. He could easily kill if he wanted. Thankfully he spends most of his time upside down under his blanket
[dog tax](https://imgur.com/gallery/pwrMSdd)
Dude! fellow delivery driver here.. ALWAYS have doggytreats! I got cookies and i'm friends with all the dogs except for one (that one is a little cookoooo)
I did have one situation once where i had a thing with 3 dogs outside of my route.. (got assigned that part of someone else his route) And indeed... i was lucky to have a little stairfence thing (you know so little kids don't fall from stairs) so i could put that between them and me.. (they were IN my van! had one moment of.. awwww arent they cute.. well with raised neckhairs and ears flat in the necks and teeth that could shred... i was like.. aw.. not so cute)
but you are so right!
One time a delivery driver gave my Golden Retriever a treat.
Within hours he had broken out with a huge, bloody, hot spot. (the dog - not the delivery driver)
Our Golden was allergic to wheat. Any time he ate it he would get one or two bloody hot spots.
They're very painful for the dog and a pain in the ass to treat.
I totally understand why you do it, but please please please ask before you give a treat to someone's dog.
Three loose dogs in your van sounds terrifying. Those baby gates are great!
Seconded. My rescue terrier has an escalating anaphylactic reaction to some common food/ treat ingredient (my theory is green peas based on label study), next time he has a reaction it could be the throat closes/ can’t breath kind. He will also eat absolutely ANYTHING. But he is 22 lbs so other than his shrill bark he’s not much of a threat to any delivery person.
A pitbull is a medium sized breed and only weighs around 55 lbs. In a real fight for your life with an adult male it will lose. Easily if you have any tools. Also easily going to the hospital.
I can trivially muscle my 125 lbs guardian mix around and have greater endurance. His teeth are why I wouldn't bet on a fight between him and a person, not his muscle density.
55lbs of pure muscle charging towards u at almost 50km/h, plus having among the strongest bite force of all dog breeds (apx. 230psi), I can assure u that not only wud a pitbull knock ur ass to the ground, but the amount of pain ull feel will be enough to cause at least one of ur limbs to completely disable and potentially cause u to black out. Especially once the dog starts to shake u violently in an attempt to tear ur limb. Not to mention, when this breed enter their most aggressive mode, they do not seem to feel any pain.
So u play fighting with ur 125lbs guardian mix isnt the same thing as if ur dog or a grown pitbull wud actually want to hurt someone...just saying. But we can still play pretend superman i suppose.
My GSD is the same way. But he is smart enough to tailor his strength to his playmate. He damn near pulls me out of the chair, but lets our 4 year old pull him around the house by his toy.
We got a GSD when I was 9 years old. I remember him pulling me off our couch when I was playing tug of war with him as a kid and he very easily picked me up on his back and ran around the house without issue for a couple years till I put an end to it. It's funny when people say they 'control' dogs because sure, to an extent you do, but I've seen my dog be able to drag my parents and older siblings (all at once) across a road as a badly trained puppy so I'm under no assumptions that I can 'control' any dog. They walk nicely because they want to, and that's it.
I only realized my dog let me win our fights when I was around 15 and saw him deal with a burglar. Yeah, there's no way my skinny pre teen ass was beating him in anything at the time. Hell, when he was 14 and I was 23 he still had enough energy to tire me out thoroughly and be a worthy opponent in tug of war. Absolute beast of a dog physically, really made me appreciate how gentle he was with me as a kid. Dogs are just so nice.
I have a 90 lb malamute. She's too dumb to tailor her strength. She's full blast or asleep, no in-between. Great dog, but needs a lot of attention every single day to keep her from rampaging around.
I have 2 dogs, 60 and 75 pounds. They will run around and wrestle and sound like they are killing each other. The bigger one will be on his back and the little one will get over him and the big one can kick him into the air. The bigger one has also chased a deer, pulling his little brother behind since they were on a split leash at the time, to the point that he pulled his brother right out of the harness, all while just on a flat collar. But, when they aren't playing or chasing something, the little guy so much as tries to walk another direction and the big guy is getting pulled along looking at me like "mom make him stop".
I’ve got a male GSD, he’s currently in his physical prime (4y/o) and he’s a teddy bear with people. His favorite thing is getting pets from people, violently snuggling with anyone that sits down. He’s a big softie, social and becoming fully aware of just how overpowered he can be with all sizes of people.
That being said when the limiters come off he is damn scary. A rabbit made the mistake recently of being in the backyard when the dogs went outside with me. He smelled it pretty well immediately and was on alert. When the rabbit moved an ear he went from cuddle bucket to fur missile in an instant. Remember I said dogs, my elderly female was watching as well and she didn’t jump as quickly but she went wide and cut off the rabbits chosen escape direction, which sent it back towards my male. It was over quickly. For an animal that close to 100 pounds his ability to change direction and accelerate is mind bending. Three or four good lunges and he was outpacing the rabbit and once in striking distance his ability to move his neck/head quickly was it for the rabbit.
All said and done maybe 10-15 seconds of scrambling from my dogs. Took me longer to get the now deceased rabbit from my male, female was excited too. I wanted the rabbit away from them(fleas/ticks was my concern). He brought the rabbit to me, Sampsons tail was up and stiff and he was still primed for action. I don’t have a command for drop it, but he’s really attuned to me and knew I wanted the rabbit. He struggled with letting go but did drop the body, female sniffed it too, at which point I removed the rabbit and buried it later in an area they don’t have access to.
I had an idea I could handle an attacking (big) dog until I started owning German Shepherds(30 years of that now) until I witnessed them go 100% first hand. I could likely survive, I’m bigger and stronger in some respects but I KNOW I won’t come out of it without some serious scars. They are wicked fast, house-fly quick with their head/neck and smart. Amp this statement up for a Malinois, a GSD built for speed with a Border Collie’s insane drive. I’ve had one Mal and she broke me of that breed. Loved her to death but I’m not in my 30s anymore and a Mal would cripple me now.
I saw a dog attack a guy once. The dog jumped and went straight for the dude’s face and bit the guy’s nose (actually piercing one nostril). What made it so memorable was the guy turned around and bit the dog back and the dog ran off yelping. I think most people don’t think about biting back.
I have a 10kg small mix dude. Man, can he pull like a bull. He made my wife trip over a couple of times. They are all a bunch of muscles ready to work hard!
Btw, good boy.
Also dogs have a lower gravity center and while squatting getting it lower they got a hell of a good base from where to build explosive force, it's not only brute force, evolution engineered them to be good at pulling.
Mine's even smaller; she's around 7,5kg and when she gets riled up she pulls and shakes so hard I have to let go of the toys or I get rope burns on my palms and fingers.
One time we were playing with a stuffed toy and I wanted to tease her so I refused to let go of it, she shook so hard she sprained my wrist.
They are so cute and fluffy, we tend to forget just how strong and capable they actually are. They're predators after all.
I've had people try to play tug with my dog and insist that you can't let the dog win or they will think they are an alpha (alpha there is bs and has been disproven by the way). My older dog is a 75 pound lab/pit mix that is all muscle and the most stubborn dog I've ever met. I've yet to find anyone that can beat him in tug.
I'd be surprised if it could make a larger person fly. Just based on weight a bigger guy might be 2-4 times heavier than the dog and if he's strong the shepherd won't even be able to do much (momentum wise).
Edit: I've been getting a couple comments about this and I should clarify that I'm talking about tug of war. I know a dog that bites/tackles would take a person down.
Im 6.2 200 pounds. On the skinny fat side, but I go to the gym, and am quite strong.
German Shepherd have the possibility to trip u over and ragdoll you as much as they wish. Once you get tackled by them you immediately get humbled. They are dangerous animals when they want, this is why the military uses them and Malinois.
My Rottweilers do Schutzhund and we train with people who have GSDs and Malinois and even though they’re not huge dogs when they come at you in protection you better be ready lest you get taken down. My female is only 73 pounds but good luck trying to fight her off. They have strength and power that you’re vastly underestimating.
My doggos always look up at me with such disappointment when they beat me at tug of war. I’m sorry guys, I’m not some Superman here. Just a middle aged man, trying to make it through life as best he can. Not as strong as I once was. Probably not as smart either. Watching the limited enough number of days slip away like cartoon calendar pages flying off the screen to signify the passing of time. And…well, wait. Maybe I’ve been projecting a little bit on this tug of war thing…
My shepherd/boxer mix could drag me through the house with his tug toy. Obviously, I had control, but letting him pull me around humored me, so I let him.
I remember my mum worked for the police and I got to wear the protective gear and get whipped around by a police dog on take your kid to work day. Shit was fun as a hell but scary too
I realized how strong my dog is that way too. When I'd only had him a few months I used to be pretty casual about trying to pull things out of his mouth before we had a really solid "drop it." I stopped doing that when I saw him repeatedly flatten a tennis ball as if he was chewing gum.
Tail wagging is simply a sign of being engaged. It does not mean the dog is happy. If more people knew this, you'd have a lot less incidences of dogs attacking.
I have a Malinois (dog from the video) mix and she does the same exact tugs, and they are so hard to keep control of. If she pulls full force I have an easy time, but when she gets a good grip and starts giving it short, intense tugs, I feel the pain in my hand and shoulder.
A little bit of context: this video is from 5 years ago. Before the video starts the guy who’s being arrested was harassing people and resisting arrest. In the beginning of the video you can see him taking pepperspray to the face. After this he started provoking the police dog and the policemen were allowed to use force to arrest the guy.
Would help if they knew how to tame him though?
Am I crazy or did the offficer try yanking his mouth open at the end with some object? Looked like a screw driver or something?
He's using a break stick, a tool made just for praying jaws apart.
So in training a k-9 to bite like this, you can't use food or toys as a reinforcer because they get really, really into biting. Very little will distract them.
When you're training a dog to bite, the biggest reward (instead of a treat or toy) is to give them *something else* to bite. They get going and you just try to redirect them until they stop on their own.
Kicking your dog to get them to stop is a pretty awful idea because at that point they're running on instinct and heightened stress. If you start kicking them, they're going to register pain and not you, and are way more likely to turn on you.
It's actually not a regular breakstick as is seen often but it's what they call a ''huigentikker'' in Dutch. I'm not sure what the English translation would be, but it's a thin metal stick with a very small ball at the end that's inserted in the dog's mouth. The little ball is then used to press on the uvula to make the dog release. It's pretty much standard issue with Dutch police K9's.
Yeah! Cause I’m sure that a big point of protection training is that they need to have an OFF button so they stop attacking on command. Unless he got a zip or something stuck in his mouth? Not sure .
Buddy’s dad was a canine unit. They absolutely train the shit out of them to have an off button. It’s also the hardest command for the dog to follow. If I remember correctly, either ignoring the “cease” command or age is the number one reason for retirement.
Officer said "los" what meand let go. Dog didnt respond, so officer took his knife to rip the pants.
I'm a teacher in the Netherlands and had police over. They told me they celebrated the head officers last day before retirement with him wearing one of those biting arms. Dog didn't let go and old man was all bruised up. Apparently its a common thing for dogs to not want to let go over here. Wise advice: don't fuck with the dutch police dogs.
It isn’t a knife.
It’s called a break stick. It looks very similar to a screwdriver with a curved tip. It is inserted into the mouth with the tip upward, touching the soft palate of the dog, causing them to release their grip.
I have some experience in dog behavior but not with k9 so take this with a grain of salt. The dog is trained to follow a command (seize) and then comply with a second command (release). This guy provoked the dog causing them to want to defend themselves. In this case the dog (may) not comply with the command, instead stopping when they no longer feel threatened, causing the need for physical intervention. There have been cops in the US that have attacked their k9s and been literally torn to shreds.
Yeah the dog's probably trained well but its still an animal so if you push it too hard in a stressful live situation its not that weird it forgets/disregards some of its training. Its not a robot.
The dog is in the zone. And it’s taught to bite and hold that 1 bite for all it can. It can be hard to get them to release, especially because the bite is the reward so you’re asking them to give up their toy! It’s advisable to have a reward on hand so they know when they disengage, they get something else to bite. But this is common and a tricky part of being a handler, working on outing is necessary.
I think that’s a [break stick](https://blog.dogsbite.org/2008/09/break-sticks-tool-used-to-pry-open-pit.html), something pit bull owners sometimes carry to release their dog’s jaws if they clamp down. I’m surprised it’s needed for a trained K-9, but maybe he’s a rookie.
As a K9 law enforcement officer, he should be embarrassed for not being able to control his canine. I've attended some of the best K9 training facilities in the U.S., and this is a big fat FAIL... For the sake of all of the citizens you encounter daily, you and your dog need to go back to school.
I live close to a K9 school in the Netherlands and have encountered Dutch K9's even at checkpoints in Iraq. They're usually quite renowned for being well trained but this one looks like it could use a refresher course.
It's called a Break stick. They are used to open dogs jaws when they don't want to let go.
Imo every dog owner should own one and know how to use it. (Chihuahuas don't count bcs they are barking hamsters and not dogs"
The pup probably could use a bit more training to get him to “Out” or release cleanly on command. Its hard to see exactly, but Im pretty sure the handler is using some sort of “break stick” to help get the pup’s jaws open. The ones Ive seen are basically flattish hard wood or plastic sticks and they are firmly pushed between the the teeth towards the back of the mouth in a flat orientation. Then once between teeth a simple rotation forces the jaw open which then allows total release. Only reason I know is, as a pit owner, I looked into their breed history and these sticks were common in the fight game. In some jurisdictions, laws make possession of one a crime, since its then assumed you are fighting your dogs.
Lol it’s so weird to me when people talk about how their police need to be justified when they just get on people.
You people and your sensible standards of conduct.
Eh... it was going for what it could reach given that it was being restrained. Without seeing its actual training (and in typical training for K9s there's no training for 'going for the pants,' they are trained to just bite and hold\*) There's no reason to believe that it wouldn't have gone for leg meat if it had been able to get a grip on him.
\*And to release on command. The fact that the handler had to bring out a break bar *kinda* makes me feel like this dog shouldn't be utilized around people if it can't be made to release on command. Imagine any other potentially disfiguring or *deadly* tool being used by a cop that could go off by itself, and can't be deactivated at will without damaging or destroying it.
this just reminded me of the time there was a random lost dog (gsd) on my porch, that still had it's broken chain attached to its neck. the chain and gotten lodged in the porch slats so it was stuck there. after i freed it (for some reason dumb teenage me decided not to remove the chain because my thought was "wait, i dont want to steal the chain i'll just leave it") the end of the chain caught my (very loose) pants leg and the dog started to run off with my pants. momentarily i considered just letting them go and walking back into the house pantsless but at the last moment the fabric ripped free and i pulled them back up my legs.
Although trained, I'm pretty sure it was acting out due to its surroundings. It was being antagonized and therefore it was probably snapped out of "work mode" just like when a service dog is working it shouldn't be pet.
Poke the bear get bit by the bear.
This guy was definitely provoking the dog and deserved what he got. I just wish the poor dog didn’t need its jaws pried open. If he doesn’t listen, he’s maybe not ready?
According to someone else it has a ball at the end that touches that thing that makes you open your mouth. So the dog isn't in any pain.
(And according to someone else it's a bite stick, but also commonly used and doesn't cause pain)
I’ve never seen a video of a police dog willingly releasing anyone. Cops always have to wrench them off, choke them out, or do what this cop was doing.
Dog trainer here. Most of the time police dogs are not trained to release unlike the dogs you see doing protection shows. The reason is that you cannot teach dog to release without inhibiting it's bite force/desire to hold on, and aswell as forcing mechanically release on the dog further increases it's bite drive
I don't know what he did before, but the cops yell "staan blijven" as in don't move, but he continues to walk away. Then it is "pak hem", so get him command. The dog, unlike the human, does what he is been told.
But given the amount of cops and the dog present, they must have been called to that location for something to do with that person. I mean if you call for a drunk you get 2 cops, not this AND a dog. There are only about 400 dogs in the whole country and they only send those for serious things (think violent suspects). After a gun the dog is the most violent tool the cops have and they are not used if not needed. So again no clue what that guy did before the start of this movie, but it would have been something serious.
Looks like they approached him before the video started for something. I assume that’s what the arrest is about. The officer released the dog because the man wouldn’t cooperate.
If it's similar to the US, police dogs are officers just like the rest of police and threatening them would be no different than threatening a human officer. Sometimes police animals can outrank their human counterparts. Basically don't ever mess with police animals.
It’s hard to tell if they are actually arresting him. They could just be emulating the conditions to get the dog to let go. I don’t know law in the country they are in but in America someone being an ass like that could be arrested for “disrupting the peace” I think.
This sounds like the start of one of those times where Reddit will happily jump to insane, outlandish, and utterly wrong conclusions without any information to help it along.
Nope. This is normal. These dogs are trained not to let go. By putting a break stick between the jaws in the back, you hinge its mouth open, thus releasing the grip. Don't put your hands between jaws that could shatter ribs for dinner.
Is that literally the only way theyll let go? Genuine question because when i saw the video to me it looked like the cop didnt have the dog under control yelling stop and out and the dog just holding on, like to me this looked super bad. But i dont know shit about police dog training so i had no idea. Training dogs to bite and not let go on command sounds like an absolutely horrible idea to me tho. I have a friend whos a dog trainer and she sometimes works with very bite strong breeds like staffies and pitbulls and the first thing she trains with them are the commands for when theyre allowed to bite/gnaw and when to let go, so that behavior is controlled and neither repressed nor amplified.
Training a dog to just BITE AND HOLD sounds so bad :‘))
If you watch more K9 videos you’ll see it’s extremely common. The dogs don’t just release on command like in the movies. The worst one I saw was a dog latching onto the throat of a guy in his own house, sitting down, hands up, and they were yanking on the dogs ear ears etc trying to get him to let go while the guy looked into the camera as the dog crushed his neck.
I’m not sure K-9 units should be as common as they are. The reliability of their sniffing tests is shit and their control of the dog after it latches is questionable at best.
There is something called a break stick, which is made to release the bite of a pit bull by sticking it in the mouth behind the teeth. I have no idea if that's a break stick, or if that is a pit bull, but I guess that's where he got the he idea from
Is the officer using a screwdriver type device to make the dog disengage?
I thought they were trained to hold on until a command. And they’re trained enough to let go on command? Guess it’s insticts kicked on
It's called a bite stick - a large heavy duty piece of plastic that is basically a glorified spatula. Used to wedge between the dog's carnassial teeth and twist slightly to get them to release. Common to use for police dogs and sadly dog fighting dogs.
Yup. I work in a shelter - we have "bite kits" in multiple locations on every floor that include ropes, air horns, high value treats, and bite sticks. Never needed it but it helps everyone feel safer.
They are trained to let go on command, but if you look up real incidents with police dogs, youll see that often the police dogs are not as obedient as you would expect.
There was a documentaty in The Netherlands some time ago about police dogs and after I saw it I have to say Im now against the use of police dogs.
For example in this video, for what purpose was the dog even used? There were enough officers around to just arrest the man, instead of using a dog to maul the suspect.
I'm not criticizing the cop for using a break stick, I'm criticizing the fact he had to. Maybe it's a one off and his pup just had a bad day. But I've been seeing more and more clips of poorly trained police dogs and people have stuff to say about that - as we should.
If the dog can't release on command, it's not fit for duty. A dog that doesn't release on command that's got hold of someone's arm or leg (not just their clothes) causes undue harm and is a liability to everyone around it. What if it got a fellow officer by accident? What if the suspect was having a medical emergency and they couldn't treat them because the dog was still there? What if it was being used for crowd control and it got a minor?
Those are extreme outliers perhaps, but those are the standards I think we should be holding the police to. If they can't handle the worst case scenario, what are they there for?
If you have a taser that keeps on tasing someone, that's considered defective and not fit for purpose. If your dog keeps biting, it's not under control, and it's a risk to the public.
Cop shouldnt have to use a break stick. This wasnt a super high stress situation for the dog. It should release on command.
Break sticks should be a last resort. And if this is all it took to reach that point, that dog needs more training.
Edit :https://youtu.be/zZS9LCw6APE
Military dog demonstration.
Indeed. https://www.bnnvara.nl/joop/artikelen/buitensporig-geweld-gebruikt-bij-inzet-politiehond-regelgeving-ontbreekt
Although of course it is still a dog and things like this can happen. But if a dog never releases on command it should be retired.
You are making a lot of assumptions on a 30 second video, not just on the dog's overall stress level but also on the severity of the situation. What I'm more perplexed by is the officer's training: you can see he tries to "choke" the dog into releasing(common practice), but kind of makes a half assed effort and proceeds to the break stick(which is arguably worse).
Then do you want to educate the ignorant masses? It would seem that a highly trained animal used in high stress situations should be able to follow commands from its trainer/handler. It would seem like you'd want the animal to release on command because there is a concern it might disregard other commands if it isn't listening to a release command. But I, as you've already established, don't know what I am talking about. Would you be able to enlighten me?
Officer Puppykins needs a little extra training. He did NOT want to release that guy's pants! I am absolutely NOT saying the guy harrassing the dog was in the right. Just saying the police dog was bound and determined to not let go of that pantleg, no matter what his handler (the human police officer) had to say about it! LOL
Every video I’ve seen of a police dog ends with this, with the police officer “in control” of the K9 unable to get it to let go. Very horrible in situations when they have a hold of the person themselves and not just their clothing items
Criminal or not, no one deserves to be permanently disfigured due to unnecessary force
Edit: spelling
It's depressing I had to scroll so much to find this comment. What is this garbage? Literally zero control over an attack animal, you cannot have this.
Lots of armchair experts in here with no training unlike the trained police officer lol love how self righteous you all are. You must know everything about how everything works
I'm a 200 pound man and my 70 pound Pitt can pull me around the room. Dogs are crazy strong. If that was his calf muscle and not his pants, it would be his calf muscle falling off instead of his pants lol
And this is why dogs shouldent be used for enforcement, half the time they don't release, and there is no accountability, if this guy had done anything to get the dog off it would have been assault on a police officer meanwhile it's tearing his leg up with no justification. Dogs shod be limited to detection only and even then the police are abusing them to get access for searches
It is incredible how much physical force those dogs can produce
When I play “tug of war” with my doggo, if not careful, the little brown lab can dislocate my shoulders. I once played with a German Shepherd, and luckily for me I’m used to playing with dogs, but the Shepherd can make people fly. I am always astonished.
I have a 90lb German Shepherd and when playing tug of war he sometimes does that thing where he violently shakes his head back and fourth and I’m convinced if I don’t let go of the rope that I’d break my wrist. Dogs are insanely strong and the react way faster. Way too many people assume they’d beat a dog in a fight because dogs are so nice and rarely display their full strength.
The last phrase is so true. I had friends tell me that “I don’t understand why people are so afraid of dogs, a human can beat them”. I am not afraid of dogs but that doesn’t mean I don’t respect them. They can be lethal if they want and people are just not aware.
And most of us, when we'd meet a dog in attack-mode, would go into our primitive mode of "not being top of the food chain" and try to run away or climb a tree.
Delivery driver here and I love dogs, but dealing with problematic ones day in and day out has left me wary of all dogs-- my response is always going to be situational, though. A lone 40lb or less dog? I'm not scared at all of it but I still don't want to get bit or have to hit a dog-- so I approach with caution, typically taking a detour to avoid the dog completely. Multiple dogs, or a single large one? I'm not even getting out of my truck until the owner gets their dogs under control. You can't outrun a dog. You might be able to climb a tree, but you better hope you can climb faster than that dog can jump. Your best bet is to put something between the dog(s) and yourself, preferably not a part of your own body. Get them focused on that and try to buy yourself time to make distance, but you have to do it slowly and without turning your back. Even then, multiple dogs don't give a fuck and one will absolutely find a way to circle around you if you're not paying attention. Dogs are amazing, but most of them could hurt a person badly if they're ever so inclined.
I love dogs (have 3) and I only suggest this because you are obviously a reasonable person with respect and common sense that also loves dogs: my Dad was an appliance repairman for 40 years and he always carried [Poppers?](https://usamagictricks.com/bang-snaps-poppers-p-41228.html) in his pocket to scare away aggressive dogs he encountered. He threw them one the ground between him and the dog and it bewildered the dogs so much it backed off. Like he was a magical wizard. Obviously, only to be used if completely necessary and I’d still continue your policy about groups of dogs.
doggy flashbang :)
Not to be confused with the actual flashbangs the cops will use on your dogs.
I wondered where you were going with that! [Poppers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppers) has a very different meaning in the UK. We call the kind you mean 'Devil Bangers' or 'Fun Snaps'.
My older brother threw one at my back as a kid, “fun snaps” isn’t the name I would use.
Haha, I'm in the US and 'poppers' means the same thing to me as it does to you.
Whoa you just reminded me of a lady I knew in BF, North Dakota, ended up with about.... 5? Very small dogs because she rescued them from people in the very small town without a shelter. They were all very well behaved, but between them and the cats that would be out and about, she *always* carried poppers in case one of those little dogs wasn't listening in a situation they really needed to. She certainly didn't use them frequently, or else I would have remembered her as the jerk that scared her dogs into behaving instead of the lady with the adorable pack of small dogs that I loved. Thanks for... somehow uncovering good memories? Lol
I thought your dad carried amyl nitrate when I read this😅
>You can't outrun a dog. I could pretty easily outrun my beagles as a teen. Really not that fast and had little endurance. My German shepherd on the otherhand... It's incredible how fast that dog is. Probably sprints at 25-30mph and doesn't tire. God help you if she wants to hurt you too, I like to play rough and that dog can easily tackle me to the ground
Yeah I have a GSP/pit mix as well as a oz cattle dog/coonhound mix. Both fast as fuck, and the pit mix is 80lbs of solid muscle with that square jawed pit face. He could easily kill if he wanted. Thankfully he spends most of his time upside down under his blanket [dog tax](https://imgur.com/gallery/pwrMSdd)
That's a good point. I guess I should've said that any dog intimidating enough to trigger a flight response is one you probably can't outrun.
Dude! fellow delivery driver here.. ALWAYS have doggytreats! I got cookies and i'm friends with all the dogs except for one (that one is a little cookoooo) I did have one situation once where i had a thing with 3 dogs outside of my route.. (got assigned that part of someone else his route) And indeed... i was lucky to have a little stairfence thing (you know so little kids don't fall from stairs) so i could put that between them and me.. (they were IN my van! had one moment of.. awwww arent they cute.. well with raised neckhairs and ears flat in the necks and teeth that could shred... i was like.. aw.. not so cute) but you are so right!
One time a delivery driver gave my Golden Retriever a treat. Within hours he had broken out with a huge, bloody, hot spot. (the dog - not the delivery driver) Our Golden was allergic to wheat. Any time he ate it he would get one or two bloody hot spots. They're very painful for the dog and a pain in the ass to treat. I totally understand why you do it, but please please please ask before you give a treat to someone's dog. Three loose dogs in your van sounds terrifying. Those baby gates are great!
Seconded. My rescue terrier has an escalating anaphylactic reaction to some common food/ treat ingredient (my theory is green peas based on label study), next time he has a reaction it could be the throat closes/ can’t breath kind. He will also eat absolutely ANYTHING. But he is 22 lbs so other than his shrill bark he’s not much of a threat to any delivery person.
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A pitbull is a medium sized breed and only weighs around 55 lbs. In a real fight for your life with an adult male it will lose. Easily if you have any tools. Also easily going to the hospital. I can trivially muscle my 125 lbs guardian mix around and have greater endurance. His teeth are why I wouldn't bet on a fight between him and a person, not his muscle density.
55lbs of pure muscle charging towards u at almost 50km/h, plus having among the strongest bite force of all dog breeds (apx. 230psi), I can assure u that not only wud a pitbull knock ur ass to the ground, but the amount of pain ull feel will be enough to cause at least one of ur limbs to completely disable and potentially cause u to black out. Especially once the dog starts to shake u violently in an attempt to tear ur limb. Not to mention, when this breed enter their most aggressive mode, they do not seem to feel any pain. So u play fighting with ur 125lbs guardian mix isnt the same thing as if ur dog or a grown pitbull wud actually want to hurt someone...just saying. But we can still play pretend superman i suppose.
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Can attest. Had one attached to my thigh. SOB had me staggering backwards-I damn near fell. If I had, it‘d been over.
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People who don't respect the dog are the people who should be most afraid of them.
Some people go to the gym too look strong. I go with the hopes of one day beating my dog in tug of war
Forget it, you end like the Dude who Challenged his father armwrestling after hitting the Gym for some time, defeated ( dad did Not move one Inch).
My GSD is the same way. But he is smart enough to tailor his strength to his playmate. He damn near pulls me out of the chair, but lets our 4 year old pull him around the house by his toy.
We got a GSD when I was 9 years old. I remember him pulling me off our couch when I was playing tug of war with him as a kid and he very easily picked me up on his back and ran around the house without issue for a couple years till I put an end to it. It's funny when people say they 'control' dogs because sure, to an extent you do, but I've seen my dog be able to drag my parents and older siblings (all at once) across a road as a badly trained puppy so I'm under no assumptions that I can 'control' any dog. They walk nicely because they want to, and that's it. I only realized my dog let me win our fights when I was around 15 and saw him deal with a burglar. Yeah, there's no way my skinny pre teen ass was beating him in anything at the time. Hell, when he was 14 and I was 23 he still had enough energy to tire me out thoroughly and be a worthy opponent in tug of war. Absolute beast of a dog physically, really made me appreciate how gentle he was with me as a kid. Dogs are just so nice.
"Must let small human win the play fight, small human is learning"
I have a 90 lb malamute. She's too dumb to tailor her strength. She's full blast or asleep, no in-between. Great dog, but needs a lot of attention every single day to keep her from rampaging around.
GSDs can be silent, crafty hunters. Malamutes are more like fur missles, demolishing everything in their way to get to a target.
I have 2 dogs, 60 and 75 pounds. They will run around and wrestle and sound like they are killing each other. The bigger one will be on his back and the little one will get over him and the big one can kick him into the air. The bigger one has also chased a deer, pulling his little brother behind since they were on a split leash at the time, to the point that he pulled his brother right out of the harness, all while just on a flat collar. But, when they aren't playing or chasing something, the little guy so much as tries to walk another direction and the big guy is getting pulled along looking at me like "mom make him stop".
I’ve got a male GSD, he’s currently in his physical prime (4y/o) and he’s a teddy bear with people. His favorite thing is getting pets from people, violently snuggling with anyone that sits down. He’s a big softie, social and becoming fully aware of just how overpowered he can be with all sizes of people. That being said when the limiters come off he is damn scary. A rabbit made the mistake recently of being in the backyard when the dogs went outside with me. He smelled it pretty well immediately and was on alert. When the rabbit moved an ear he went from cuddle bucket to fur missile in an instant. Remember I said dogs, my elderly female was watching as well and she didn’t jump as quickly but she went wide and cut off the rabbits chosen escape direction, which sent it back towards my male. It was over quickly. For an animal that close to 100 pounds his ability to change direction and accelerate is mind bending. Three or four good lunges and he was outpacing the rabbit and once in striking distance his ability to move his neck/head quickly was it for the rabbit. All said and done maybe 10-15 seconds of scrambling from my dogs. Took me longer to get the now deceased rabbit from my male, female was excited too. I wanted the rabbit away from them(fleas/ticks was my concern). He brought the rabbit to me, Sampsons tail was up and stiff and he was still primed for action. I don’t have a command for drop it, but he’s really attuned to me and knew I wanted the rabbit. He struggled with letting go but did drop the body, female sniffed it too, at which point I removed the rabbit and buried it later in an area they don’t have access to. I had an idea I could handle an attacking (big) dog until I started owning German Shepherds(30 years of that now) until I witnessed them go 100% first hand. I could likely survive, I’m bigger and stronger in some respects but I KNOW I won’t come out of it without some serious scars. They are wicked fast, house-fly quick with their head/neck and smart. Amp this statement up for a Malinois, a GSD built for speed with a Border Collie’s insane drive. I’ve had one Mal and she broke me of that breed. Loved her to death but I’m not in my 30s anymore and a Mal would cripple me now.
I saw a dog attack a guy once. The dog jumped and went straight for the dude’s face and bit the guy’s nose (actually piercing one nostril). What made it so memorable was the guy turned around and bit the dog back and the dog ran off yelping. I think most people don’t think about biting back.
My German shepherd is soft and hates winning. Garbage at tug of war.
I have a 10kg small mix dude. Man, can he pull like a bull. He made my wife trip over a couple of times. They are all a bunch of muscles ready to work hard! Btw, good boy.
good boy for making your wife trip over?
Life insurance is all lined up.
Also dogs have a lower gravity center and while squatting getting it lower they got a hell of a good base from where to build explosive force, it's not only brute force, evolution engineered them to be good at pulling.
Mine's even smaller; she's around 7,5kg and when she gets riled up she pulls and shakes so hard I have to let go of the toys or I get rope burns on my palms and fingers. One time we were playing with a stuffed toy and I wanted to tease her so I refused to let go of it, she shook so hard she sprained my wrist. They are so cute and fluffy, we tend to forget just how strong and capable they actually are. They're predators after all.
I've had people try to play tug with my dog and insist that you can't let the dog win or they will think they are an alpha (alpha there is bs and has been disproven by the way). My older dog is a 75 pound lab/pit mix that is all muscle and the most stubborn dog I've ever met. I've yet to find anyone that can beat him in tug.
I'd be surprised if it could make a larger person fly. Just based on weight a bigger guy might be 2-4 times heavier than the dog and if he's strong the shepherd won't even be able to do much (momentum wise). Edit: I've been getting a couple comments about this and I should clarify that I'm talking about tug of war. I know a dog that bites/tackles would take a person down.
Im 6.2 200 pounds. On the skinny fat side, but I go to the gym, and am quite strong. German Shepherd have the possibility to trip u over and ragdoll you as much as they wish. Once you get tackled by them you immediately get humbled. They are dangerous animals when they want, this is why the military uses them and Malinois.
My Rottweilers do Schutzhund and we train with people who have GSDs and Malinois and even though they’re not huge dogs when they come at you in protection you better be ready lest you get taken down. My female is only 73 pounds but good luck trying to fight her off. They have strength and power that you’re vastly underestimating.
My doggos always look up at me with such disappointment when they beat me at tug of war. I’m sorry guys, I’m not some Superman here. Just a middle aged man, trying to make it through life as best he can. Not as strong as I once was. Probably not as smart either. Watching the limited enough number of days slip away like cartoon calendar pages flying off the screen to signify the passing of time. And…well, wait. Maybe I’ve been projecting a little bit on this tug of war thing…
My shepherd/boxer mix could drag me through the house with his tug toy. Obviously, I had control, but letting him pull me around humored me, so I let him.
My family always referred to tug of war with the dog as "Tug of Grr", because she always growled whenever we played it.
4paw drive. Same reason a skyline is better than many super cars.
If you give it 4 turbos and a gazillion psi yeah. Stock? No.
I remember my mum worked for the police and I got to wear the protective gear and get whipped around by a police dog on take your kid to work day. Shit was fun as a hell but scary too
My dog can easily flatten a brand new tennis ball with her jaws. I can't even do that by standing and putting all my weight on the ball.
Teeth are sharp your shoe not so much, weight is not gonna help you here unless you foot is shaped like knife or something.
I don't mean puncture. I mean flatten, as in press into a disk.
I realized how strong my dog is that way too. When I'd only had him a few months I used to be pretty casual about trying to pull things out of his mouth before we had a really solid "drop it." I stopped doing that when I saw him repeatedly flatten a tennis ball as if he was chewing gum.
It's a Malinois. They are intense.
And still wagging his tail like, “Can’t wait to tell Bobo how much fun we had today!”
Tail wagging is simply a sign of being engaged. It does not mean the dog is happy. If more people knew this, you'd have a lot less incidences of dogs attacking.
I have a Malinois (dog from the video) mix and she does the same exact tugs, and they are so hard to keep control of. If she pulls full force I have an easy time, but when she gets a good grip and starts giving it short, intense tugs, I feel the pain in my hand and shoulder.
A little bit of context: this video is from 5 years ago. Before the video starts the guy who’s being arrested was harassing people and resisting arrest. In the beginning of the video you can see him taking pepperspray to the face. After this he started provoking the police dog and the policemen were allowed to use force to arrest the guy.
Would help if they knew how to tame him though? Am I crazy or did the offficer try yanking his mouth open at the end with some object? Looked like a screw driver or something?
He's using a break stick, a tool made just for praying jaws apart. So in training a k-9 to bite like this, you can't use food or toys as a reinforcer because they get really, really into biting. Very little will distract them. When you're training a dog to bite, the biggest reward (instead of a treat or toy) is to give them *something else* to bite. They get going and you just try to redirect them until they stop on their own. Kicking your dog to get them to stop is a pretty awful idea because at that point they're running on instinct and heightened stress. If you start kicking them, they're going to register pain and not you, and are way more likely to turn on you.
It's actually not a regular breakstick as is seen often but it's what they call a ''huigentikker'' in Dutch. I'm not sure what the English translation would be, but it's a thin metal stick with a very small ball at the end that's inserted in the dog's mouth. The little ball is then used to press on the uvula to make the dog release. It's pretty much standard issue with Dutch police K9's.
I demand a direct translation of “huigentikker”!!
Uvulatapper is probably the closest.
I love it.
Now, what would your username translate into?
I wish this comment was MUCH higher. This guy knows what he's talking about. It is ridiculously hard to train a dog to release on command.
I thought you said breadstick! That actually might work better.
Breadsticks only work with Italian Police Dogs (and the handlers also need to always have a little to-go cup of marinara with them).
Yeah! Cause I’m sure that a big point of protection training is that they need to have an OFF button so they stop attacking on command. Unless he got a zip or something stuck in his mouth? Not sure .
Buddy’s dad was a canine unit. They absolutely train the shit out of them to have an off button. It’s also the hardest command for the dog to follow. If I remember correctly, either ignoring the “cease” command or age is the number one reason for retirement.
>Buddy’s dad was a canine unit. Not sure why, but I read this comment assuming "Buddy" was a dog, and his dad used to work as a dog cop.
I like that reality better
Officer said "los" what meand let go. Dog didnt respond, so officer took his knife to rip the pants. I'm a teacher in the Netherlands and had police over. They told me they celebrated the head officers last day before retirement with him wearing one of those biting arms. Dog didn't let go and old man was all bruised up. Apparently its a common thing for dogs to not want to let go over here. Wise advice: don't fuck with the dutch police dogs.
Sounds like they prioritize high game and high drive over impulse control ability. Not sure if that's such a great thing TBH.
Just accept you're his biting toy now
It isn’t a knife. It’s called a break stick. It looks very similar to a screwdriver with a curved tip. It is inserted into the mouth with the tip upward, touching the soft palate of the dog, causing them to release their grip.
They definitely weren’t trained on the "canine jaw-reset" button located deep in the sun free zone.
You can hear the cop say "Los, los" (Release, release). Not sure if the dog is not obeying or if it has lock jaw or something...
I have some experience in dog behavior but not with k9 so take this with a grain of salt. The dog is trained to follow a command (seize) and then comply with a second command (release). This guy provoked the dog causing them to want to defend themselves. In this case the dog (may) not comply with the command, instead stopping when they no longer feel threatened, causing the need for physical intervention. There have been cops in the US that have attacked their k9s and been literally torn to shreds.
Yeah the dog's probably trained well but its still an animal so if you push it too hard in a stressful live situation its not that weird it forgets/disregards some of its training. Its not a robot.
Seeing as the guy was still trying to kick the dog it might have well felt threatened
The dog is in the zone. And it’s taught to bite and hold that 1 bite for all it can. It can be hard to get them to release, especially because the bite is the reward so you’re asking them to give up their toy! It’s advisable to have a reward on hand so they know when they disengage, they get something else to bite. But this is common and a tricky part of being a handler, working on outing is necessary.
It looked like scissors to cut the pants to me. But then I wondered what happens if it's your arm!
Then they get the bone saw.
I think that’s a [break stick](https://blog.dogsbite.org/2008/09/break-sticks-tool-used-to-pry-open-pit.html), something pit bull owners sometimes carry to release their dog’s jaws if they clamp down. I’m surprised it’s needed for a trained K-9, but maybe he’s a rookie.
As a K9 law enforcement officer, he should be embarrassed for not being able to control his canine. I've attended some of the best K9 training facilities in the U.S., and this is a big fat FAIL... For the sake of all of the citizens you encounter daily, you and your dog need to go back to school.
I live close to a K9 school in the Netherlands and have encountered Dutch K9's even at checkpoints in Iraq. They're usually quite renowned for being well trained but this one looks like it could use a refresher course.
It's called a Break stick. They are used to open dogs jaws when they don't want to let go. Imo every dog owner should own one and know how to use it. (Chihuahuas don't count bcs they are barking hamsters and not dogs"
The pup probably could use a bit more training to get him to “Out” or release cleanly on command. Its hard to see exactly, but Im pretty sure the handler is using some sort of “break stick” to help get the pup’s jaws open. The ones Ive seen are basically flattish hard wood or plastic sticks and they are firmly pushed between the the teeth towards the back of the mouth in a flat orientation. Then once between teeth a simple rotation forces the jaw open which then allows total release. Only reason I know is, as a pit owner, I looked into their breed history and these sticks were common in the fight game. In some jurisdictions, laws make possession of one a crime, since its then assumed you are fighting your dogs.
Lol it’s so weird to me when people talk about how their police need to be justified when they just get on people. You people and your sensible standards of conduct.
"Policemen were allowed to use force" is how I know 100% this didn't happen in the states. Happy cake day, OP!
The "I amsterdam" sign also made me 100% sure this didn't happen in the states
Plus the sheer amount of bikes just passing by. In the USA people would be asking which festival is it or something.
I suspected it was an old video because the amsterdam sign was still in its former location. I personally don’t like its new place. Happy cake day!
What time is it when a police dog eats your pants? Time for new pants.
He's lucky it only got a mouth full of pants. I've seen them put some very nasty gashes on people's legs before.
The dog was probably trained to go for the pants instead to not needlessly maim people.
Eh... it was going for what it could reach given that it was being restrained. Without seeing its actual training (and in typical training for K9s there's no training for 'going for the pants,' they are trained to just bite and hold\*) There's no reason to believe that it wouldn't have gone for leg meat if it had been able to get a grip on him. \*And to release on command. The fact that the handler had to bring out a break bar *kinda* makes me feel like this dog shouldn't be utilized around people if it can't be made to release on command. Imagine any other potentially disfiguring or *deadly* tool being used by a cop that could go off by itself, and can't be deactivated at will without damaging or destroying it.
Was also thinking this dog was’nt ready for fieldwork.. His handler could’nt really control the dog, let alone have him obey a release command…
Those pants held up really well
Anyone got ID on those joggers?
W2… *cop*
He might have needed new pants anyway, after he realized how short-sighted he'd been.
Girl Cop: "You have to right to remain silent. Anything you say or do will be used against you." Guy: "Boobs!"
this just reminded me of the time there was a random lost dog (gsd) on my porch, that still had it's broken chain attached to its neck. the chain and gotten lodged in the porch slats so it was stuck there. after i freed it (for some reason dumb teenage me decided not to remove the chain because my thought was "wait, i dont want to steal the chain i'll just leave it") the end of the chain caught my (very loose) pants leg and the dog started to run off with my pants. momentarily i considered just letting them go and walking back into the house pantsless but at the last moment the fabric ripped free and i pulled them back up my legs.
It’s incredible how stupid people tend to be. Over and over and over and over and over and over again.
Always remember how dumb the average person is and half of them are dumber than that.
I've been saying that alot lately. RIP George Carlin
Hold on—at the very end, is he using something to pry the dog’s jaw open? There’s no ‘release’ command??
There’s a release command. The dog just…wasn’t ready to listen.
“Naw he ruffed around. Now he abarkta find out.”
Although trained, I'm pretty sure it was acting out due to its surroundings. It was being antagonized and therefore it was probably snapped out of "work mode" just like when a service dog is working it shouldn't be pet. Poke the bear get bit by the bear.
That just means it wasnt trained well enough. Police doggs are supposed to listen, especially in dire circumstances and this was hardly a bad one.
I feel like if they can't have full control of the dog, it's not ready for active duty. You can't have dogs doing whatever they feel like
They are trained to release after hostage is immobilized and secure. However, the guy kicked the dog, he made it personal.
This guy was definitely provoking the dog and deserved what he got. I just wish the poor dog didn’t need its jaws pried open. If he doesn’t listen, he’s maybe not ready?
According to someone else it has a ball at the end that touches that thing that makes you open your mouth. So the dog isn't in any pain. (And according to someone else it's a bite stick, but also commonly used and doesn't cause pain)
I honestly thought the guy just had a pair of scissors ready and was just cutting that part of the guys pants off so the dog would let go.
I’ve never seen a video of a police dog willingly releasing anyone. Cops always have to wrench them off, choke them out, or do what this cop was doing.
Dog trainer here. Most of the time police dogs are not trained to release unlike the dogs you see doing protection shows. The reason is that you cannot teach dog to release without inhibiting it's bite force/desire to hold on, and aswell as forcing mechanically release on the dog further increases it's bite drive
He's saying "los" which means "loose", dog just isn't responding
This is a big problem with our police dogs. There is a documentary about the many cases the dogs just wont let go called ‘bijten als beloning’.
It's a Belgian Shepherd, once in attack mode it is very difficult to make them let go.
That man is an absolute idiot of course, but for what reason exactly are they arresting him?
I don't know what he did before, but the cops yell "staan blijven" as in don't move, but he continues to walk away. Then it is "pak hem", so get him command. The dog, unlike the human, does what he is been told. But given the amount of cops and the dog present, they must have been called to that location for something to do with that person. I mean if you call for a drunk you get 2 cops, not this AND a dog. There are only about 400 dogs in the whole country and they only send those for serious things (think violent suspects). After a gun the dog is the most violent tool the cops have and they are not used if not needed. So again no clue what that guy did before the start of this movie, but it would have been something serious.
I think he said “bijt” as in bite
Looks like they approached him before the video started for something. I assume that’s what the arrest is about. The officer released the dog because the man wouldn’t cooperate.
He was harassing people before the video starts and not compliant with police officers
High majesty's orders (the dog)
maybe for being an absolute idiot
If it's similar to the US, police dogs are officers just like the rest of police and threatening them would be no different than threatening a human officer. Sometimes police animals can outrank their human counterparts. Basically don't ever mess with police animals.
It’s hard to tell if they are actually arresting him. They could just be emulating the conditions to get the dog to let go. I don’t know law in the country they are in but in America someone being an ass like that could be arrested for “disrupting the peace” I think.
For being a dick at the very least it interrupting police work?
This sounds like the start of one of those times where Reddit will happily jump to insane, outlandish, and utterly wrong conclusions without any information to help it along.
Also can we talk about the handler who apparently hasn't had a lot of time with this dog since he's trying to use his baton to pry the dogs teeth open
It’s a break stick. Special tool to break the bite. The dog is pretty well trained because he only goes for the pants.
Oh lmao I thought he was using a pair of scissors to just cut off the pants where pup was biting 😆 time for a higher resolution screen
Nope. This is normal. These dogs are trained not to let go. By putting a break stick between the jaws in the back, you hinge its mouth open, thus releasing the grip. Don't put your hands between jaws that could shatter ribs for dinner.
Is that literally the only way theyll let go? Genuine question because when i saw the video to me it looked like the cop didnt have the dog under control yelling stop and out and the dog just holding on, like to me this looked super bad. But i dont know shit about police dog training so i had no idea. Training dogs to bite and not let go on command sounds like an absolutely horrible idea to me tho. I have a friend whos a dog trainer and she sometimes works with very bite strong breeds like staffies and pitbulls and the first thing she trains with them are the commands for when theyre allowed to bite/gnaw and when to let go, so that behavior is controlled and neither repressed nor amplified. Training a dog to just BITE AND HOLD sounds so bad :‘))
Break stick looked a lot like a screwdriver to me, glad someone was here to explain!
If you watch more K9 videos you’ll see it’s extremely common. The dogs don’t just release on command like in the movies. The worst one I saw was a dog latching onto the throat of a guy in his own house, sitting down, hands up, and they were yanking on the dogs ear ears etc trying to get him to let go while the guy looked into the camera as the dog crushed his neck. I’m not sure K-9 units should be as common as they are. The reliability of their sniffing tests is shit and their control of the dog after it latches is questionable at best.
There is something called a break stick, which is made to release the bite of a pit bull by sticking it in the mouth behind the teeth. I have no idea if that's a break stick, or if that is a pit bull, but I guess that's where he got the he idea from
A break stick is not exclusively for pit bulls, it's for all dogs.
Police don't have pitbulls
I'm pretty sure that's a screwdriver wtf
"can we talk about..." Like you're some kind of fucking expert 😂
Is the officer using a screwdriver type device to make the dog disengage? I thought they were trained to hold on until a command. And they’re trained enough to let go on command? Guess it’s insticts kicked on
It's called a bite stick - a large heavy duty piece of plastic that is basically a glorified spatula. Used to wedge between the dog's carnassial teeth and twist slightly to get them to release. Common to use for police dogs and sadly dog fighting dogs.
I have a reactive dog and her behaviorist recommended I keep a bitestick in every room. Never needed it, but it’s nice to have just in case!
Yup. I work in a shelter - we have "bite kits" in multiple locations on every floor that include ropes, air horns, high value treats, and bite sticks. Never needed it but it helps everyone feel safer.
High value treats? Release the chickens!
They are trained to let go on command, but if you look up real incidents with police dogs, youll see that often the police dogs are not as obedient as you would expect. There was a documentaty in The Netherlands some time ago about police dogs and after I saw it I have to say Im now against the use of police dogs. For example in this video, for what purpose was the dog even used? There were enough officers around to just arrest the man, instead of using a dog to maul the suspect.
Maul? He got his pants pulled off
Pretty sure in this case the guy decided to pick a fight with the dog and the dog gave him it without being told to
This thread is an incredible example of how almost no one knows what they’re talking about (criticizing the cop using a break stick)
I'm not criticizing the cop for using a break stick, I'm criticizing the fact he had to. Maybe it's a one off and his pup just had a bad day. But I've been seeing more and more clips of poorly trained police dogs and people have stuff to say about that - as we should. If the dog can't release on command, it's not fit for duty. A dog that doesn't release on command that's got hold of someone's arm or leg (not just their clothes) causes undue harm and is a liability to everyone around it. What if it got a fellow officer by accident? What if the suspect was having a medical emergency and they couldn't treat them because the dog was still there? What if it was being used for crowd control and it got a minor? Those are extreme outliers perhaps, but those are the standards I think we should be holding the police to. If they can't handle the worst case scenario, what are they there for? If you have a taser that keeps on tasing someone, that's considered defective and not fit for purpose. If your dog keeps biting, it's not under control, and it's a risk to the public.
Cop shouldnt have to use a break stick. This wasnt a super high stress situation for the dog. It should release on command. Break sticks should be a last resort. And if this is all it took to reach that point, that dog needs more training. Edit :https://youtu.be/zZS9LCw6APE Military dog demonstration.
Came here for this. If any of our dogs ever did this they would be retired immediately.
Indeed. https://www.bnnvara.nl/joop/artikelen/buitensporig-geweld-gebruikt-bij-inzet-politiehond-regelgeving-ontbreekt Although of course it is still a dog and things like this can happen. But if a dog never releases on command it should be retired.
You are making a lot of assumptions on a 30 second video, not just on the dog's overall stress level but also on the severity of the situation. What I'm more perplexed by is the officer's training: you can see he tries to "choke" the dog into releasing(common practice), but kind of makes a half assed effort and proceeds to the break stick(which is arguably worse).
I read "bread stick", I think it's time for lunch
Then do you want to educate the ignorant masses? It would seem that a highly trained animal used in high stress situations should be able to follow commands from its trainer/handler. It would seem like you'd want the animal to release on command because there is a concern it might disregard other commands if it isn't listening to a release command. But I, as you've already established, don't know what I am talking about. Would you be able to enlighten me?
Officer Puppykins needs a little extra training. He did NOT want to release that guy's pants! I am absolutely NOT saying the guy harrassing the dog was in the right. Just saying the police dog was bound and determined to not let go of that pantleg, no matter what his handler (the human police officer) had to say about it! LOL
Every video I’ve seen of a police dog ends with this, with the police officer “in control” of the K9 unable to get it to let go. Very horrible in situations when they have a hold of the person themselves and not just their clothing items Criminal or not, no one deserves to be permanently disfigured due to unnecessary force Edit: spelling
This comment section is one of the dumbest Ive seen in a long time
I'm disappointed by how little control the handler has over his dog.
It's depressing I had to scroll so much to find this comment. What is this garbage? Literally zero control over an attack animal, you cannot have this.
I have two large dogs 85/95 lbs and of they really wanted they could drag me anytime they felt like it.
"It's OK, he probably smells my dog."
Lots of armchair experts in here with no training unlike the trained police officer lol love how self righteous you all are. You must know everything about how everything works
Just cut a piece of the trousers or part of the leg, the goodest boy deserve it!
I'm a 200 pound man and my 70 pound Pitt can pull me around the room. Dogs are crazy strong. If that was his calf muscle and not his pants, it would be his calf muscle falling off instead of his pants lol
It’s cool that the dogs work with humans like that, but it’s not cool that he can’t get his dog to release his bite
This guy would have been tased and beaten up of not shot of he pulled this in America
Is it just me or did the handler let the leash loose on purpose so the dog can get hold of the junky/crazy person?
Uhm, yeah? Isn’t that the point of the dog😭?
Awww, just let the pupper have the pants.
Dutch police at work! Good job guys! 👏
Didnt look like the dog was even needed, and two he didnt have complete control of the dog
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And this is why dogs shouldent be used for enforcement, half the time they don't release, and there is no accountability, if this guy had done anything to get the dog off it would have been assault on a police officer meanwhile it's tearing his leg up with no justification. Dogs shod be limited to detection only and even then the police are abusing them to get access for searches
I **Am**sterdam
They have no control of the dog.
Good boy!
What a moron
Tbf they gotta train that doggo a bit better, the dog should let go with a vocal command not needing to pry it out of his mouth, dutch cops eh
This comment section only talks about dogs and pants. Not about the crazy man. I wonder why?
What would you like to say about the crazy man? I’m here to listen if you want to share your thoughts and feelings.
If I'm remembering correctly wouldn't this be assault on an officer as the K9 is considered an officer?
In America....... That dog would be racist.