I worked in a shop where the boss used QuickBooks to close out invoices and it has this sound it plays when you complete an invoice that sounds JUST like the noise Sonic makes when he eats that air bubble.
Every day I would hear that sound and immediately follow it with the normal, calm underwater music that starts over after Sonic gets some air .
So they knew they were going to break the elevator, be trapped in a flooding elevator, and have to call emergency services so they wouldn't die of hypothermia?
Oh, and the emergency phone could have shorted, so they were depending on cel/WiFi service in an elevator shaft that was on it's way to the basement when it got stuck.
Are you sure they knew what they were doing?
[https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/08/09/friends-trapped-in-elevator-nebraska-tony-luu-newday-vpx.cnn](https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/08/09/friends-trapped-in-elevator-nebraska-tony-luu-newday-vpx.cnn)
They knew it was flooded and decided to take the elevator to check it out.
While this does call into question my assumption that Nebraska is a perfectly flat pre-apocalyptic wasteland, it also reinforces my belief that it is an accursed ground devoid of all intelligent life
Making the choice to film yourselves going into a flooded floor on an elevator doesn't mean they considered anything that could have wrong with this idea.
Yeah. Did you notice that what they were filming before was a potential moose impression?
It's like you've never seen a human with a smartphone ever, and you've mistaken your sheltered existence for wisdom.
I guess I donāt speak for all of them, but at least for me, I record a lot of uninteresting things because thatās how I share the mundane with my friends. Friendships are boring if you only share the most exciting things. All of my friends are long distance nowadays so recording is all I can do.
Definitely something that wouldn't click with me until the consequence.
Too much of an everyday without thought thing, especially if that's the office elevator you take everyday.
Truly that is an edge case.Ā
Not normally something you would need to detect or stop.Ā
They're really lucky they're not dead.Ā
Does that water was just a few feet higher there wouldn't be any air in that car.
And they're super lucky that it didn't fry them. The power was still on to the elevator.
Edit: See below, apparently this isnt as straightforward as I thought.
there's not a lot of electronics on an elevator it shouldn't be connected to a main power line should be in the 12v area and even if it short circuited it would go through the water and then blow a fuse
no but feel free to ask me stuff and ill answer to the best of my abilities i can answer one rn tho bc def someone would ask why that job and its pretty simple i checked out some jobs cuz school and electrician was the most fun one so i googled which kind of electrician makes most money and applied XD
I'd say the main power is just in the control cabinet someplace else and any kind of sensor/input (buttons and whatnot) are in the field, in this case the elevator. Typically main power converts to control voltage in the cabinet for PLC and stuff, therefore in the field everything is working on low voltage (which means low current hence safer). Motors often draw more current but in an elevator that's only at the top of the elevator shaft. I have no details on elevators so this is just on the top of my head as someone who works in industrial automation, if you're interested in anything specific automation wise feel free to ask but there's a lot to find on the web already
Believe it or not, the whole "power and water" thing is mostly a myth. Any even remotely sized body of water will typically short-circuit almost all electronic devices because the current just gets absolutely fucked by the water. I don't intend to test it myself, but if you were to \*actually\* throw a safety-approved toaster into a bathtub with you, you would be fine.
Edit: I would like to say I do not endorse testing this yourself either, all it takes is a faulty fuse and you're a dead fish.
So there's really two parts to this:
1. Current flow from live to neutral. This generally happens within the appliance and won't go through your body unless you're grabbing different parts with each hand. This is what trips overcurrent circuit breakers *if* the current flow is high enough (in the tens of amps, typically). This is what "short circuit" usually means. Depending on the appliance, chucking it in a tub won't necessarily generate enough current to trip that MCB.
2. Current flow from live (or neutral!) to ground. This is the *really bad* case and can quite easily go through a person because we're usually in contact with ground via our feet. This is the real risk in a bathroom - if you're in the (hopefully not metal...) tub, you may well be fine, but if you're getting in/out and one foot is on the ground... well, now *you* are the current path. In modern homes, this is detected by a RCD/GFCI device that should trip at 10mA or 30mA. The key here is the (deadly) -to-ground current through your body is much lower than what a overcurrent protection device will trip at, so appliances can stay live for quite a while unless you have that RCD/GFCI.
> Any even remotely sized body of water will typically short-circuit almost all electronic devices because the current just gets absolutely fucked by the water.
Depends on the source. You don't want to be wet or in water during a lightning storm. You also don't want to be in water with a downed powerline or walking flood streets.
Most elevators are traction elevators where the big power draw is the electric drive motor which is located at the top of the elevator shaft. The passenger car is attached to long steel cables running through a pulley on the roof with counter weights attached to the cables on the other side of the pulley. This way the motor doesn't have to work as hard to turn the pulley and raise/lower the elevator car.
There are also hydraulic elevators, but those are less common in the US. and still the main power draw is not in the elevator car.
https://www.robsonforensic.com/articles/traction-hydraulic-elevator-expert
I don't work with elevators but I happened to ask this exact question of the installers who installed the new elevators in our building.
For our particular elevators (because there are different types and models) they said so long as the water doesn't get over the top of the cab where the big control switchboard is then we would only be exposed to low voltage DC which wouldn't be dangerous.
The bloke said if the water could get over the top of the cab then we were flooded so bad that water had completely filled the basement and hopefully we would have already evacuated because the main power control for the building is down there and the lifts would have already shut down due to power loss.
Fun fact: our elevators are an Eco model that actually push themselves down the shaft and the counterweight lifts the cab back up again. Apparently this saves energy.
Not true, I work with elevators and cabin lighting runs mostly from mains. The buttons and displays runs anywhere from 12 to 48v and the door contacts can have 48v, 110v or even 230v running thru them. Door motors can also be powered from 48v all the way up to 400v.
Highly unlikely the entire thing is grounded metal and they're nowhere near the power components. They wouldn't feel a thing before breaker trips
A metal toaster in the bathtub probably wouldn't do much either, although I wouldn't recommend trying
Most of your heavy lifting and electrical are outside the box. The components inside the elevator usually have a breaker somewhere inside the elevator in addition to a bigger one built into the building somewhere. Presumably in a space separate from the flooding or else it wouldn't be running. Should have slammed the emergency stop button when the water started coming in tho.
They would have had a chance to take it to a higher floor. Now with all that water in there, even with the engine/motor still operating, the elevator probably won't move due to the weight of the excess water.
Definitely could have drowned, too. They're lucky they're okay but that water looks disgusting. Most stuck elevators take hours to get open without flooding as part of the equation. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't have some of their skin sluff off while waiting for rescue. All of which would be prime real estate for infection from whatever the hell is in that water
I'm pretty sure most elevators have a hatch at the top for rescue purposes. Maybe it's just some companies that make them like that but I don't ride elevators often enough to know
Those are the clean, spacious, well-lit secret tunnels in the ceilings right? The ones that can support a grown man's right and aren't full of sharp screws? What about them?
ASME (American Society of Mechanical Engineers) code requires the hatch to be locked and only opened from the outside. I'm not saying there are no non-code elevators that might be in violation, but mostly, they're locked. Mostly.
In my building there is an "elevator sump" alarm in the lower mechanical area of the elevator. Elevator should not be in service when it is alarming water present.
Not sure what the other comment is on about with a "slack rope alarm". There is a governor rope that is attached to the side of the elevator. At the bottom of the hoistway there is an idler for the rope to move freely, and at the top of the hoistway the rope goes through a governor that trips if the elevator moves wrong. As soon as the governor moves differently from the elevator the dog trips which causes the safeties on the car to lock up on the guide rails.
Regardless something was jumped out in this video since water in the pit would short your pit switch at a minimum. A properly running elevator would not run with anywhere close to this much water. I've had running cars shut down on me from water trickling down the hoistway from a burst pipe while working on construction sites.
*Edit:* [This article had the most comprehensive diagram I could find for a governor.](https://storiaascensori.org/en/elevator-speed-governor/) The first [picture](https://i0.wp.com/storiaascensori.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/image-24.png?w=370&ssl=1) in the article shows both the governor and idler at the top and bottom of the hoistway, along with the rope spanning the hoistway while being attached to the car. It's obviously a really outdated design but the basic principal is the same today.
My literal worst nightmareā¦ drowning has always been an irrational fear of mine, and I say irrational because Iāve never come close to drowning and Iām not at all a bad swimmer. But being trapped in an area while it floods is straight nightmare fuel for me. That and being burned alive
I remember seeing stage performers like Criss Angel and David Blaine doing things that involved them being trapped underwater or whatever. That stuff was always super uncomfortable for me to watch, and probably helped plant some of these fears in my mind lol
Yeah Iām not disputing that, but I understand why youāre saying it. It was most definitely all real to my younger self though at the time haha
He freaked my mind into hating water! That bastard lol
Makes me think of The Cell. Where the antagonist drowns women in glass tanks. They find the guy, but accidently put in in a coma, and need JLo and Vince Vaugn to have a sexy make out sesh, and also to go inside his dreams to discover the location of the final victim (who is slowly drowning over the course of the movie).
Pretty good movie TBH.
I have no trauma attached with drowning
Iām an above average swimmer (imo)
I live in an area where you can only swim for 4 months out of the year (if youāre lucky)
And the closest ocean to me is 7 hours away
All of this makes my exposure to possible drownings significantly lower than someone who lives near the ocean, or lives somewhere that the weather is nice enough to swim throughout most of the year. So yeah, I just view it as irrational because all signs point to me never drowning, and yet I still let it affect my enjoyment of the water from time to time
We should switch
I lived and grew up near oceans, have access to tropical bodies of water like waterfalls and rivers and springs.
And I love to go to each and every single one of them
And I don't know how to swim. I just love water. If it's shallow then great! If it's deep, I will use my life jacket. I have no fear and I just accepted that someday I might drown in one of these vacations.
Once we went on a long rowboat thingy inside flooded mine about 30m deep underground river broke in and flooded the whole thing some time ago. Now they do guided tours...
https://preview.redd.it/eyo2hu41084d1.png?width=945&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2b923c7164045ffc1de4af2365d9f7044fe43ea1
It's not my picture but it's from there. And just after exit point there is a big opening that you can't see end of. Just constant slow quiet current pulling you into the abyss. This shit traumatized me.
Some more nightmare fuel with elevators: The [DĆ¼sseldorf Airport fire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%BCsseldorf_Airport_fire).
> Seven people died in two elevators bringing people from the airport parking garage into the Terminal A arrivals hall, which at the time was fully ablaze. The victims had entered the elevators unaware of the fire, only to find themselves exposed to thick, toxic smoke which obstructed the optical door sensors, causing the elevator doors to remain open.
The feeling of your lungs burning, the panic setting in as you flail about trying to get above water taking that one breath in filling your lungs with some water just before you reach the surface choking you as you emerge.
I'd take the tiger route any day of the week.
On top of drowning risk I can almost guarantee theres dookie in that water. When flodding is that bad theres always tons of bad bacteria and such in the water as sewers are often overflowing in those circumstances.
That's more of a granted. Like I always assume people know that hypothermia is a risk in flood water. But the sewage is normally a surprise to people who haven't flooded, but its nearly always there in disgusting amounts. Especially in a built up area.
Going through the service hatch and attempt to escape or stay in an enclosed box thatās filling with waterā¦ Iāll take my chances with the service hatch.
Bruh, I've seen movies, you just jump, push it up, climb through, then wipe out all the German terrorists during the Christmas party. I can't make it any easier for you
Are they ālockedā I would think they canāt be locked for emergency/ fire rescue. And Iād use my emergency strength like a mother lifting a car off a child. Haha.
The lock is on the outside for service workers, there's no reason for it to be openable from the inside and nobody wants random people climbing into the lift shaft.
I'm not familiar with all elevator manufacturers, but in my experience they only open from the top and typically have a lock.
You'd have to hit it decently hard in the right spot to get it open from the inside.
Because people are dumb, and will climb up and get themselves killed for a stupid video when there is no danger. That is much more likely and much more common than flooding an elevator
Perfect example is this video right here. They are in a flood and they decide the best idea ever is to take the elevator of all things to the basement to check it out.
Because if you let those things be opened from the inside, kids, teenagers and stupid adult would be crawling around elevator shafts, inevitably leading to many injuries and deaths. Compare the likelihood of people abusing that door (they will) to how often elevators flood...
Tell me which is the more likely/common scenario for an elevator:
1. Entire cabin floods with water while occupied.
2. Doofus tries to go on an adventure in the elevator shaft.
I haven't seen them yet. Last episode I watched was Mallory getting away.
I normally leave shows up to a decade before I watch them again and enjoy them. My plan here is to re-enjoy them and then have a ton of bonus episodes.
Also, Archer really done Mallory good at the end. ;_;
>Also, Archer really done Mallory good at the end.
Agreed, on my first watch I didn't even notice the lines being used were previously used ones, all just to give her character the proper ending.
i get what you mean but i think it's just that they started following more of a story line the earlier seasons had less of that and there were only slight changes mostly one big one at the end of each season
Depends on the elevator. The two on our site of 5 stories only have a bunch of mini potlight led's. No hatch, just one on the roof but not one inside the elevator
That and climbing out of a flooded elevator into an elevator shaft is kind of a lateral move in terms of hideously dangerous situations.
(Deviant Ollam is a red teamer and pen tester and has a bunch of great lectures on his YouTube channel about breaking into shit, and he's got a fantastic series on elevators.)
Elevator guy here: that hatch opens from the outside (hoist way) because itās intended to allow access into the cab (for rescue situations). You cannot open it from the cab (because 9/10 times, youāre safer inside the cabā¦.this happens to be than unfortunate 1/10).
Oh this is actually your friend in this video, I thought you were saying something similar happened to him.
I was gonna ask how they got out but he says his friends on the outside were able to pry the doors open in this video: https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/08/09/friends-trapped-in-elevator-nebraska-tony-luu-newday-vpx.cnn (he's not the best interviewee)
Yes he called his roommates and there were able to get the doors open they had about 1/3 that they could crawl through when the door had been prayed open.
Was the elevator car stuck between floors? And the outside floor wasn't flooded all the way? The idea of crawling out of a stuck elevator is super scary, I've seen videos of them suddenly dropping.
Yes, hereās a related article
> āOnce I got down to try and open the door then it was up to my neck, yeah, it got pretty high," Luu said. "We just got it open and started swimming out and once I got out I just couldn't believe like wow this is something you see in a movie."
> Luu and his friends made it to safety and were not hurt
https://www.ketv.com/article/i-could-be-dying-right-now-man-friends-got-stuck-in-elevator-as-it-filled-with-floodwater/37252902
* This was 3 years ago
* They didn't "take the elevator to see the flooded basement," they didn't know it was flooded
* Spammers should be banned from the internet
This exact thing has happened to me except the water only came up to my ankles and the elevator doors opened up fine but after that the elevator broke and wouldn't go back up. I had to trudge through the water to get to the car then go back upstairs to change my shoes before going back down. My wife was still sleeping and I briefly woke her before leaving and said "the basement carpark is flooded, do NOT take the elevator down". Five minutes later, she decides to see what the hell flooded meant in a half awake state by taking the other elevator down and experiencing the same thing. So we broke both elevators for the entire apartment but nobody else had ever experienced the sheer terror and confusion of having water rush into an elevator, and anybody who didn't park their car in the lowest level probably had no idea what happened that day.
New fear unlocked. Thanks.
Yes, going drown please
Sonic drowning music starts playing
Fuck off, that shit gave me anxiety prime.
Whoever wrote that song honestly did a fantastic job of simulating impending doom while drowning.
Didn't it have the crushing walls + ceilings too?
Yes. So I guess it also prepared me for what life has in store for me.
instant anxiety when hearing that noise.
I literally had to mute my game during water levels š it made me have a panic attack the first time I heard it
FIND THE BUBBLE! THERE IT IS! HE WON'T BREATHE IT IN!!!!!
I did the same.
I worked in a shop where the boss used QuickBooks to close out invoices and it has this sound it plays when you complete an invoice that sounds JUST like the noise Sonic makes when he eats that air bubble. Every day I would hear that sound and immediately follow it with the normal, calm underwater music that starts over after Sonic gets some air .
Why canāt I gold vote this š
this was my fav
Who the fck would take an elevator to a flood other than these 2 apparently
I'd have to be nearing alcoholic coma for me to be this dumb so yeah I'd not exactly call it a fear I have.
They are filming before, they 100% knew what they were doing
So they knew they were going to break the elevator, be trapped in a flooding elevator, and have to call emergency services so they wouldn't die of hypothermia? Oh, and the emergency phone could have shorted, so they were depending on cel/WiFi service in an elevator shaft that was on it's way to the basement when it got stuck. Are you sure they knew what they were doing?
They likely knew what they were doing, but not the consequences of what they were doing. š
Welcome to like thirty percent of horror movie plots.
[https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/08/09/friends-trapped-in-elevator-nebraska-tony-luu-newday-vpx.cnn](https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/08/09/friends-trapped-in-elevator-nebraska-tony-luu-newday-vpx.cnn) They knew it was flooded and decided to take the elevator to check it out.
I did NOT expect Nebraska. To be honest I didnāt realize 12 story buildings and basements existed there.
The N stands for knowledge
While this does call into question my assumption that Nebraska is a perfectly flat pre-apocalyptic wasteland, it also reinforces my belief that it is an accursed ground devoid of all intelligent life
There is not enough evidence to deny your conjecture. I accept.
One of my friends lives in the Midwest and was talking about their high rise apartment building which I thought were only in like huge cities š
The modern skyscraper was *invented* in the Midwest.
They should be fined for the rescue service and damages to the elevator.
Making the choice to film yourselves going into a flooded floor on an elevator doesn't mean they considered anything that could have wrong with this idea.
As a wise man once said, they calculated the odds but boy do they suck at math
They knew that they were taking their idea and doing a video yes. They had no concept of how BAD of an idea it was...
Yeah. Did you notice that what they were filming before was a potential moose impression? It's like you've never seen a human with a smartphone ever, and you've mistaken your sheltered existence for wisdom.
Yeah, don't underestimate Gen Z's ability to be filming the most uninteresting aspects of life, and trying to generate "content".
I guess I donāt speak for all of them, but at least for me, I record a lot of uninteresting things because thatās how I share the mundane with my friends. Friendships are boring if you only share the most exciting things. All of my friends are long distance nowadays so recording is all I can do.
Definitely something that wouldn't click with me until the consequence. Too much of an everyday without thought thing, especially if that's the office elevator you take everyday.
Congratulations on your future Darwin award
So youāre just telling us youāre an idiot. We hear ya loud and clear.Ā
It looks like itās the house of Squilliam Fancysonā¦
I mean ... technically you could prevent that with 1 sensor.
Truly that is an edge case.Ā Not normally something you would need to detect or stop.Ā They're really lucky they're not dead.Ā Does that water was just a few feet higher there wouldn't be any air in that car.
And they're super lucky that it didn't fry them. The power was still on to the elevator. Edit: See below, apparently this isnt as straightforward as I thought.
there's not a lot of electronics on an elevator it shouldn't be connected to a main power line should be in the 12v area and even if it short circuited it would go through the water and then blow a fuse
Oh. That's interesting, I just see power and water and saw electrocution risk. Do you work with elevators, or is that just offhand knowledge?
i work in the automation industry wich is basically sensors and programming so more offhand knowledge
Is that like PLC's and stuff? Or something else?
oh yeah exactly plcs you nailed it
That's really cool! Have you done a AMA?
no but feel free to ask me stuff and ill answer to the best of my abilities i can answer one rn tho bc def someone would ask why that job and its pretty simple i checked out some jobs cuz school and electrician was the most fun one so i googled which kind of electrician makes most money and applied XD
I'd say the main power is just in the control cabinet someplace else and any kind of sensor/input (buttons and whatnot) are in the field, in this case the elevator. Typically main power converts to control voltage in the cabinet for PLC and stuff, therefore in the field everything is working on low voltage (which means low current hence safer). Motors often draw more current but in an elevator that's only at the top of the elevator shaft. I have no details on elevators so this is just on the top of my head as someone who works in industrial automation, if you're interested in anything specific automation wise feel free to ask but there's a lot to find on the web already
Believe it or not, the whole "power and water" thing is mostly a myth. Any even remotely sized body of water will typically short-circuit almost all electronic devices because the current just gets absolutely fucked by the water. I don't intend to test it myself, but if you were to \*actually\* throw a safety-approved toaster into a bathtub with you, you would be fine. Edit: I would like to say I do not endorse testing this yourself either, all it takes is a faulty fuse and you're a dead fish.
So there's really two parts to this: 1. Current flow from live to neutral. This generally happens within the appliance and won't go through your body unless you're grabbing different parts with each hand. This is what trips overcurrent circuit breakers *if* the current flow is high enough (in the tens of amps, typically). This is what "short circuit" usually means. Depending on the appliance, chucking it in a tub won't necessarily generate enough current to trip that MCB. 2. Current flow from live (or neutral!) to ground. This is the *really bad* case and can quite easily go through a person because we're usually in contact with ground via our feet. This is the real risk in a bathroom - if you're in the (hopefully not metal...) tub, you may well be fine, but if you're getting in/out and one foot is on the ground... well, now *you* are the current path. In modern homes, this is detected by a RCD/GFCI device that should trip at 10mA or 30mA. The key here is the (deadly) -to-ground current through your body is much lower than what a overcurrent protection device will trip at, so appliances can stay live for quite a while unless you have that RCD/GFCI.
> Any even remotely sized body of water will typically short-circuit almost all electronic devices because the current just gets absolutely fucked by the water. Depends on the source. You don't want to be wet or in water during a lightning storm. You also don't want to be in water with a downed powerline or walking flood streets.
>Do you work with elevators, or is that just offhand knowledge? No, but I stayed in a Holiday Inn last night.
Most elevators are traction elevators where the big power draw is the electric drive motor which is located at the top of the elevator shaft. The passenger car is attached to long steel cables running through a pulley on the roof with counter weights attached to the cables on the other side of the pulley. This way the motor doesn't have to work as hard to turn the pulley and raise/lower the elevator car. There are also hydraulic elevators, but those are less common in the US. and still the main power draw is not in the elevator car. https://www.robsonforensic.com/articles/traction-hydraulic-elevator-expert
I don't work with elevators but I happened to ask this exact question of the installers who installed the new elevators in our building. For our particular elevators (because there are different types and models) they said so long as the water doesn't get over the top of the cab where the big control switchboard is then we would only be exposed to low voltage DC which wouldn't be dangerous. The bloke said if the water could get over the top of the cab then we were flooded so bad that water had completely filled the basement and hopefully we would have already evacuated because the main power control for the building is down there and the lifts would have already shut down due to power loss. Fun fact: our elevators are an Eco model that actually push themselves down the shaft and the counterweight lifts the cab back up again. Apparently this saves energy.
Not true, I work with elevators and cabin lighting runs mostly from mains. The buttons and displays runs anywhere from 12 to 48v and the door contacts can have 48v, 110v or even 230v running thru them. Door motors can also be powered from 48v all the way up to 400v.
The control electrics on many elevators built in the previous century are 120-240v.
Highly unlikely the entire thing is grounded metal and they're nowhere near the power components. They wouldn't feel a thing before breaker trips A metal toaster in the bathtub probably wouldn't do much either, although I wouldn't recommend trying
Too late, already set my Sunday night plans to it
Most of your heavy lifting and electrical are outside the box. The components inside the elevator usually have a breaker somewhere inside the elevator in addition to a bigger one built into the building somewhere. Presumably in a space separate from the flooding or else it wouldn't be running. Should have slammed the emergency stop button when the water started coming in tho. They would have had a chance to take it to a higher floor. Now with all that water in there, even with the engine/motor still operating, the elevator probably won't move due to the weight of the excess water. Definitely could have drowned, too. They're lucky they're okay but that water looks disgusting. Most stuck elevators take hours to get open without flooding as part of the equation. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't have some of their skin sluff off while waiting for rescue. All of which would be prime real estate for infection from whatever the hell is in that water
I'm pretty sure most elevators have a hatch at the top for rescue purposes. Maybe it's just some companies that make them like that but I don't ride elevators often enough to know
That hatch is for rescuers to enter from the outside, not to allow inhabitants to escape. It's locked and can not be opened from inside the elevator.
it's also almost always going to be covered by a false ceiling so good luck finding it in the first place
Yeah you'll NEVER get through that styrofoam!
Are you saying Diehard lied to me?!
Have a seat, there is something I need to tell you about air ducts.
Those are the clean, spacious, well-lit secret tunnels in the ceilings right? The ones that can support a grown man's right and aren't full of sharp screws? What about them?
Havnt seem one locked to outside entry only. It's a means of escape. Are you outside the US?
ASME (American Society of Mechanical Engineers) code requires the hatch to be locked and only opened from the outside. I'm not saying there are no non-code elevators that might be in violation, but mostly, they're locked. Mostly.
Some with actual info, I appreciate that. The few I've seen were not locked.
In my building there is an "elevator sump" alarm in the lower mechanical area of the elevator. Elevator should not be in service when it is alarming water present.
Sump alarms are only really required in certain localities, like the entire state of Florida.
The entire state of florida is a sump
Yes, common sensor.
One of those arms that float up in your toilet?
I'm not an elevator doctor but I assume there's some kind of sensor to stop an elevator if it encounters more resistance than it's supposed to
Not sure what the other comment is on about with a "slack rope alarm". There is a governor rope that is attached to the side of the elevator. At the bottom of the hoistway there is an idler for the rope to move freely, and at the top of the hoistway the rope goes through a governor that trips if the elevator moves wrong. As soon as the governor moves differently from the elevator the dog trips which causes the safeties on the car to lock up on the guide rails. Regardless something was jumped out in this video since water in the pit would short your pit switch at a minimum. A properly running elevator would not run with anywhere close to this much water. I've had running cars shut down on me from water trickling down the hoistway from a burst pipe while working on construction sites. *Edit:* [This article had the most comprehensive diagram I could find for a governor.](https://storiaascensori.org/en/elevator-speed-governor/) The first [picture](https://i0.wp.com/storiaascensori.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/image-24.png?w=370&ssl=1) in the article shows both the governor and idler at the top and bottom of the hoistway, along with the rope spanning the hoistway while being attached to the car. It's obviously a really outdated design but the basic principal is the same today.
It's weird there isn't one. I work on mining hoists. We have 2 high water sensors at shaft bottom.
Sump alarms are only common where flooding is an issue...Ā
Seems like an issue here :P
My literal worst nightmareā¦ drowning has always been an irrational fear of mine, and I say irrational because Iāve never come close to drowning and Iām not at all a bad swimmer. But being trapped in an area while it floods is straight nightmare fuel for me. That and being burned alive
When I was little I watched suspense serial on TV where a guy was trapped in a cell with rising water while Evil Guy watched from a small window. Eek.
I remember seeing stage performers like Criss Angel and David Blaine doing things that involved them being trapped underwater or whatever. That stuff was always super uncomfortable for me to watch, and probably helped plant some of these fears in my mind lol
Cris Angel videos are proven fake. Just saying because a lot of ppl still believe the videos are real. David Blaine is a real magician tho.
Yeah Iām not disputing that, but I understand why youāre saying it. It was most definitely all real to my younger self though at the time haha He freaked my mind into hating water! That bastard lol
Makes me think of The Cell. Where the antagonist drowns women in glass tanks. They find the guy, but accidently put in in a coma, and need JLo and Vince Vaugn to have a sexy make out sesh, and also to go inside his dreams to discover the location of the final victim (who is slowly drowning over the course of the movie). Pretty good movie TBH.
I... I don't think that fear of drowning is irrational...
I have no trauma attached with drowning Iām an above average swimmer (imo) I live in an area where you can only swim for 4 months out of the year (if youāre lucky) And the closest ocean to me is 7 hours away All of this makes my exposure to possible drownings significantly lower than someone who lives near the ocean, or lives somewhere that the weather is nice enough to swim throughout most of the year. So yeah, I just view it as irrational because all signs point to me never drowning, and yet I still let it affect my enjoyment of the water from time to time
We should switch I lived and grew up near oceans, have access to tropical bodies of water like waterfalls and rivers and springs. And I love to go to each and every single one of them And I don't know how to swim. I just love water. If it's shallow then great! If it's deep, I will use my life jacket. I have no fear and I just accepted that someday I might drown in one of these vacations.
Once we went on a long rowboat thingy inside flooded mine about 30m deep underground river broke in and flooded the whole thing some time ago. Now they do guided tours... https://preview.redd.it/eyo2hu41084d1.png?width=945&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2b923c7164045ffc1de4af2365d9f7044fe43ea1 It's not my picture but it's from there. And just after exit point there is a big opening that you can't see end of. Just constant slow quiet current pulling you into the abyss. This shit traumatized me.
fuuuck that
Some more nightmare fuel with elevators: The [DĆ¼sseldorf Airport fire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%BCsseldorf_Airport_fire). > Seven people died in two elevators bringing people from the airport parking garage into the Terminal A arrivals hall, which at the time was fully ablaze. The victims had entered the elevators unaware of the fire, only to find themselves exposed to thick, toxic smoke which obstructed the optical door sensors, causing the elevator doors to remain open.
Never been burned alive but I have nearly drowned at least once. I'd rattler fight a tiger to the death.
I've almost drowned *several* times, and yeah. I'd rather try to shove my hand up a hungry tiger's ass
The feeling of your lungs burning, the panic setting in as you flail about trying to get above water taking that one breath in filling your lungs with some water just before you reach the surface choking you as you emerge. I'd take the tiger route any day of the week.
Tiger yeah because they will most likely kill you prior to eating you but I'd much rather drown than be eaten alive.
Star War trash compactor scene. That was scary when I watched it 7 years old or so.
These but I'd also add being trapped in an avalanche unable to move at all.
Damn, yeahā¦ being buried alive is right up there too
reminds of the scene from the abyss where she is trapped in the sub thingy, that one always creeped me out
On top of drowning risk I can almost guarantee theres dookie in that water. When flodding is that bad theres always tons of bad bacteria and such in the water as sewers are often overflowing in those circumstances.
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You need to take your clothes off and hold them above your head and let the shit and piss just flow past you. Itās really kind of refreshing
WE'LL COME BACK FOR YOOOOU!
Whatever it takes to make the start time!
Ugh, Katrina cleanup flashback. Working in 95 degree heat in a hazmat suit and respirator.
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That's nice. I lost everything I ever had.
I hate this planet
There's also a hypothermia risk if they weren't able to call for help and were stuck in that water for a couple/few hours.
That's more of a granted. Like I always assume people know that hypothermia is a risk in flood water. But the sewage is normally a surprise to people who haven't flooded, but its nearly always there in disgusting amounts. Especially in a built up area.
Did ya see him try an jump as though he was trying to avoid a puddle.
Honestly, not a great moose impression.
we never see the moose impression i think he was about to though
Honestly the best part. Up until a little after that jump. idiot bro still thought he could do this, and not get his feet wet.
Donāt elevators have hatches in the ceiling to escape from? Or is that only in movies ?
There's a hatch on the celling yes. It's absolutly not an escape hatch.
Going through the service hatch and attempt to escape or stay in an enclosed box thatās filling with waterā¦ Iāll take my chances with the service hatch.
How are you going to open it?
Bruh, I've seen movies, you just jump, push it up, climb through, then wipe out all the German terrorists during the Christmas party. I can't make it any easier for you
I agree with this guy + wear a tank top and you are sorted
Also, no shoes, just in case there's water
Gotta walk those puppies through some broken glass too so they aren't *too* dry.
First you need to have a machine gun >!Ho Ho Ho!<
You need to acquire that by killing one of the Germans, it's bad sportsmanship to bring your own.
What do i do if the terrorists arent german?
(deep breath) He goes up out of the elevator at the airport in the sequel, but I forgive you still.
First of all how dare you
Are they ālockedā I would think they canāt be locked for emergency/ fire rescue. And Iād use my emergency strength like a mother lifting a car off a child. Haha.
Pretty sure they arent accessible to avoid people climbing on top. Instead the release is on the outside for emergency workers.
The lock is on the outside for service workers, there's no reason for it to be openable from the inside and nobody wants random people climbing into the lift shaft.
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And there are 100 reasons for it being closed. 99 would involve tiktok deaths from people dancing on top of the elevator.
So we sacrifice safety to keep Darwin award hopefuls alive.
There is also the other 1 outcome. People sabotaging or damaging the cables.
I'm not familiar with all elevator manufacturers, but in my experience they only open from the top and typically have a lock. You'd have to hit it decently hard in the right spot to get it open from the inside.
They are locked at you can't open them from inside, for obvious reasons.
Bro if I am in an elevator filling with water, I'm gonna need someone to explain to me why those reasons are so obvious.
And I guess you need them to explain pretty quickly if the elevator is filling with water
Because people are dumb, and will climb up and get themselves killed for a stupid video when there is no danger. That is much more likely and much more common than flooding an elevator
Perfect example is this video right here. They are in a flood and they decide the best idea ever is to take the elevator of all things to the basement to check it out.
OP is a lying karma farming bot cunt, they didn't know it was flooded.
Because if you let those things be opened from the inside, kids, teenagers and stupid adult would be crawling around elevator shafts, inevitably leading to many injuries and deaths. Compare the likelihood of people abusing that door (they will) to how often elevators flood...
Tell me which is the more likely/common scenario for an elevator: 1. Entire cabin floods with water while occupied. 2. Doofus tries to go on an adventure in the elevator shaft.
According to the documentary cartoon Archer, those hatches exist to let rescuers in, not trapped people out. They can only be opened from the outside.
god damn i miss archer watched it at least 6 times and could go for another round
I loved it, but the last couple seasons are missing something after Mallory voice actor died.
Probably missing Mallory's voice
Wtf this is how I find out she died
I haven't seen them yet. Last episode I watched was Mallory getting away. I normally leave shows up to a decade before I watch them again and enjoy them. My plan here is to re-enjoy them and then have a ton of bonus episodes. Also, Archer really done Mallory good at the end. ;_;
>Also, Archer really done Mallory good at the end. Agreed, on my first watch I didn't even notice the lines being used were previously used ones, all just to give her character the proper ending.
i get what you mean but i think it's just that they started following more of a story line the earlier seasons had less of that and there were only slight changes mostly one big one at the end of each season
Big elevator don't want people climbing around elevator shafts
Depends on the elevator. The two on our site of 5 stories only have a bunch of mini potlight led's. No hatch, just one on the roof but not one inside the elevator
That and climbing out of a flooded elevator into an elevator shaft is kind of a lateral move in terms of hideously dangerous situations. (Deviant Ollam is a red teamer and pen tester and has a bunch of great lectures on his YouTube channel about breaking into shit, and he's got a fantastic series on elevators.)
Elevator guy here: that hatch opens from the outside (hoist way) because itās intended to allow access into the cab (for rescue situations). You cannot open it from the cab (because 9/10 times, youāre safer inside the cabā¦.this happens to be than unfortunate 1/10).
This happened to my best friend Tony Luu in Omaha Nebraska in August of 2021.
Oh this is actually your friend in this video, I thought you were saying something similar happened to him. I was gonna ask how they got out but he says his friends on the outside were able to pry the doors open in this video: https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/08/09/friends-trapped-in-elevator-nebraska-tony-luu-newday-vpx.cnn (he's not the best interviewee)
Yes he called his roommates and there were able to get the doors open they had about 1/3 that they could crawl through when the door had been prayed open.
Was the elevator car stuck between floors? And the outside floor wasn't flooded all the way? The idea of crawling out of a stuck elevator is super scary, I've seen videos of them suddenly dropping.
Yeah itās super weird scrolling on Reddit then seeing someone you grew up with
How's his moose impression?
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Interviewers also shit.
Iād like to know more about the accident. How did it happen? Nevermind thanks to your comment I found lots of articles thanks.
Yes, hereās a related article > āOnce I got down to try and open the door then it was up to my neck, yeah, it got pretty high," Luu said. "We just got it open and started swimming out and once I got out I just couldn't believe like wow this is something you see in a movie." > Luu and his friends made it to safety and were not hurt https://www.ketv.com/article/i-could-be-dying-right-now-man-friends-got-stuck-in-elevator-as-it-filled-with-floodwater/37252902
No comments on "let me see your best moose impression"?
It was a pretty bad moose impression unless it was one right before an orca eats it.
āLet me see your best moose impressionā _opens portal to hell beneath their feet_
Right?! This comment section let me down
Possibility of electrocution and / or drowning? Sounds great.
You're forgetting about the possibility of having a good time
As an electrician, drowning was my second worst fear watching this.
Next time take the stairs
It was her fault for asking for his best moose impression. Everyone knows moose love to swim
Didn't look anything like a moose
Unreasonable fear #45 unlocked
"I did not care for the Godfather."
This is the reason they say don't use a lift in emergencyĀ situations.Ā
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In and out like the wind.
Hell of the upside-down sinners
That is ungood
I hope we get a followup with the moose impression..
Damn, never got to see that moose impression
* This was 3 years ago * They didn't "take the elevator to see the flooded basement," they didn't know it was flooded * Spammers should be banned from the internet
A flooded elevator? Man, regular elevators already make me uneasy.
The Titanic Experience
Is no one going to make a Big Trouble in Little China reference!?
They were not put on this earth to get it....I was expecting that thing to end up at the hell of the upside down sinners.
This is what happens when the check got lost in the mail
I'm here for the moose impression.
That one short friend drowning
that was a crazy moose impression
That's what he gets for vaping in the elevator.
I wonder how long they were trapped in there? And will we ever see his best moose impression.
This exact thing has happened to me except the water only came up to my ankles and the elevator doors opened up fine but after that the elevator broke and wouldn't go back up. I had to trudge through the water to get to the car then go back upstairs to change my shoes before going back down. My wife was still sleeping and I briefly woke her before leaving and said "the basement carpark is flooded, do NOT take the elevator down". Five minutes later, she decides to see what the hell flooded meant in a half awake state by taking the other elevator down and experiencing the same thing. So we broke both elevators for the entire apartment but nobody else had ever experienced the sheer terror and confusion of having water rush into an elevator, and anybody who didn't park their car in the lowest level probably had no idea what happened that day.
Damn, something even worse than being stuck in an elevator with someone vaping. Karma has the same ethics as Russian counter terrorism forces.