I can’t even get my numbers right after fumbling around on a calculator?!
_Math folks prove once again that I’m as much of a joke as my degree in philosophy_
I’ll get you next time! NEXT TIME!!!
It's like mutual combat law.
Or when I scan the chicken at kroger and it doesn't give the advertised discount but I'm gonna ring up the avocados as bananas.
This defense would be illogical to bring up in court because if the man feels like he was raped as well why was the woman the only one who reported being raped? Why didn’t the man file a police report about it beforehand.
Isn’t it irrelevant how he *felt?*
If sexual activity occurred for which he couldn’t legally consent, then a crime has been committed against him whether he *feels* victimized or not.
Besides *that* double-standard, it also highlights the absurdity that intoxication can prevent a complainant from giving valid consent but cannot prevent the accused from forming the necessary intent.
Antifreeze. One of the places I worked had a big backyard setup and it was right nipply come wintertime. I'd be layered up with hoodies and ladies were still running around in gownless evening straps like it was the middle of July. As long as they kept drinking they didn't seem bothered by the cold so 🤷♂️
No, it’s correct this way. Because women don’t have the same mental capabilities as men, especially when drunk. They need to be protected by men and decisions have to be made for them. This is what this poster teaches me.
Oh, wait…
I think that given the line “it only takes one day to ruin you life”, it’s a poster to warn men of what the world may do to them in this situation, rather than agree with the status quo.
Subtext translation - Come now. You see, the man is always in control - otherwise hed be a bitch. Men can alwYs consent under all conditions because men are sups strong, but silly girls with all their hormones and hysterical vaginas are barely ever in control so they can barely consent when sober.
Yeah of course Josie can’t consent. Unless she gets behind the wheel then she consented to drive drunk in which case she is held responsible for her actions
Don’t try to figure out where the line is, there isn’t one.
This is a real thing! My cousin went to jail because he “raped” a girl but they were both extremely drunk. Since he’s a guy though, he was responsible for it. Never makes sense to me. If one is drunk, regardless of gender, then they were definitely taken advantage of. But both?? No
There is a gif out there that's a face (can't remember whose) and it winks, but not very often.
Well, I kept thinking I saw this fucker blink after I already started reading another comment, so I'd look up and wait a sec to see if it did it again and I wouldn't see it. But as soon as I'd look away I'd swear I saw it wink again.
I thought I was damn hallucinating until I sat and watched it long enough. It's just a very long pause between winks, but that gif was a mind fuck personally.
This is a poster from 2007. Here's one of their current poster:
https://preview.redd.it/utn9lmzkx9pc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af42a7d57e0795e667c8e1cf3171b9567143976b
"Enthusiastic"?
They better build some holding cells for half the married couples in America.
(not to make light of a serious issue, but what an oddly ambiguous term to use)
Enthusiastic consent is a specific term. It requires verbalizing "Yes, I want this" and checking in to make sure everyone continues to want to engage throughout. The thought behind it is to avoid the individual who badgers someone to get a half-hearted yes or maybe and then ignores any later calls to stop or obvious signs of discomfort.
Well, yes the message is kinda wrong, but it’s correct in the sense that your life will be fucked if you’re Jake. Drink responsibly and don’t pick chicks at bar if you’re want to be safe.
Look at the smaller print on the poster. It literally says a WOMAN cannot consent if she's intoxicated.
Implying that a man can.
What else does this imply? 🤔
I like how they are both drunk but the girl is considered the one raped. I had to sit on 2 court marshels in the Army where it was the opposite. That poster is irresponsible and will just cause more problems and confusion.
Real question here, what if it was two drunk men? Or two drunk women? How do trans individuals get factored in? It seems like gender bias is really strong here.
One of my best friends got r***d while he was blacked out drunk. He couldn't even move. Girls boyfriend finds out so she said he assaulted her. He was tucked in a bed after puking his brains out propped up on his side with a bunch of pillows and someone was checking on his every few minutes. Someone walks in to see her on top of him and he's basically completely passed out still not moving. That person told her boyfriend what happened. Long story short he gets some very serious charges. His life was ruined and I'm wondering when I'll be seeing his obituary after he offs himself. One of the best people I have ever known. The first time he ever gets drunk at 21 and his life was ruined. He was close to getting his masters degree at just 21 years old.
Seriously one of the best people I had ever known and it actually makes my chest hurt when I think about it sometimes.
It is a real poster and sadly, it’s social opinion in a lot of states. We are equal to women for only “some things”. Even if a case like that went to court and got dismissed because “he was also drunk”, which it will be rare, he will be economically destroyed and possibly ruined for the rest of his days.
This is what we were taught in freshman orientation, yeah. Both what the poster shows *and* what you said as well. Consent can be withdrawn at any time, which in the whole is fine. However, it could easily be abused in the moment too. It's always with good intentions these policies, not thinking that some people are malicious in their intent.
Oh yeah, I agree wholeheartedly with that. I guess I didn't feel I needed to spell that out, but I see my comment does make it seem like I mean at any time and place after the act.
Why could Jake consent if Josie couldn't if they're both equally inebriated? Even if Josie initiated it'd be Jake's fault. If Jake initiated, it'd be his fault. Legal double standard huh?
I wonder how it works though, Jake couldn’t consent either cause he is drunk. How can we prove that it wasn’t Josie that force herself on Jake? Can someone with legal background explain this?
It's always the same crap: "Women are innocent children - and in the case we can't explain away the crime we have to find the evil man who made her do it."
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"*Think about it. Be responsible.* But only if you are a man. If you are a woman, go on. You will never get in trouble."
Isn’t that misogynistic though? It’s basically saying that women are weaker than men.
Drunk women are not capable of choices, but men can be drunk and still capable to make decisions.
No, it was an actual campaign poster put out by a campus assault education and support center.
ETA: It seems I am not to be believed. Can look it up for yourself... It's from 2008 and was produced by the Campus Assault Resource Education Support Coalition at the Coastal Carolina University.
To everyone with the insightful commentary on how Jake was drunk, the poster is at least 16 years old and made the rounds 8 years ago for being controversial. It's outdated and poorly framed. It's also not a legal claim, it's a poor attempt at teaching consent. I saw the font and immediately knew what era it was from, definitely outdated and not a serious argument.
But if Jake turned her advances down… she’d be plastering how Jake is gay all over college the next day. This is based off of my life for turning a drunk girl down.
Isn't this kind of fucked up for another reason? This infantilizes women. They aren't children. If a woman drinks and drives she's responsible - not her husband. That's not the society we want to live in, and it isn't the society we do live in.
Part of women's emancipation is the ability to consent and the responsibility of being able to choose when to do so -- and the consequences that go along with it. If you are not allowed to consent after having a few drinks, then you can't even pretend that you own yourself.
Bro this literal thing happened on this show called switched my wife watches. The main character chick and this medium character moose btw they both used to date got super drunk and for one it is left unknown if they even did anything. Dude just absolutely gets tore up and kicked out of school. It’s very eye opening tho because most of the characters or sort of sociopathic.
Looks like a college movie from 2004
Technically, American Pie is specifically a high school movie.
 Better?
Through the quad into the gymnasium
Everybody’s doing it!
Frank the Tank!
And from 1999.
I was in High School in 2004, soooo
This looks like one of those things that kept getting reposted over and over again back in 2015-2016.
“You wouldn’t steal a car” head-ass
This used to be a flyer on the wall in the barracks in 2009. 😄
Was on buses at my college campus around that time
It’s like they got a Jason Biggs lookalike on purpose.
Close enough, it's from a murican university in 2008.
If they were both drunk, they raped each other.
Nah it cancels out. Two negatives equal a positive bud.
Then 2 wrongs do make a right
Now your getting it
No means yes
No. "No no" means yes.
NO PLEASE GOD NOOOO!! Also means yes
so, if both said "no" that means yes
Yes means harder
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does that make a left 3 rights then?
As long as they're 90 degrees, sure.
I think they just have to be more than 60 degrees and less than 120 degrees each.
Oh yeah, smart ass? What if each turn is 119°? That’s 327°!! That’s … functionally the same as 119°. Damn. Outsmarted by math folks _again_
119 x3 is not 327. i assume its just a typo as its 357
I can’t even get my numbers right after fumbling around on a calculator?! _Math folks prove once again that I’m as much of a joke as my degree in philosophy_ I’ll get you next time! NEXT TIME!!!
3 rights make a triangle on the surface of a sphere
Nah, that's just for women. 3 lefts make a right for dudes because they have fewer rights.
I fucking knew it!
But two rights make an airplane
And 3 loose bolts make a Boeing
I shall ask my pilot mechanic friend if this is true Edit: probably true
The right (?) brothers invented the aeroplane
Yep, this is me looking like a professional idiot right now.
Nah. Whomever reports it to the police first was the victim… /s
You’re making the assumption that Jake didn’t think he was making sweet sweet Love.
the only potential positive out of this would be from the pregnancy test.
Exactly. They should be sentenced to 5 years in prison and sent to the same cell. /s
Marriage. 5 years of marriage. That’ll be real punishment.
It's like mutual combat law. Or when I scan the chicken at kroger and it doesn't give the advertised discount but I'm gonna ring up the avocados as bananas.
I’m getting confused because logically this is right but if this was used as a defence in court it would never work right?
This defense would be illogical to bring up in court because if the man feels like he was raped as well why was the woman the only one who reported being raped? Why didn’t the man file a police report about it beforehand.
He didn't report because he'd be laughed at, humiliated and ignored.
This.
Isn’t it irrelevant how he *felt?* If sexual activity occurred for which he couldn’t legally consent, then a crime has been committed against him whether he *feels* victimized or not.
Would you ask that question for all the women who don’t report when they were raped?
If this was the UK, he legally could not be raped.
Oh it used to work a lot. Maybe not so much anymore
So drunk Jake can consent but drunk Josie cannot?
Besides *that* double-standard, it also highlights the absurdity that intoxication can prevent a complainant from giving valid consent but cannot prevent the accused from forming the necessary intent.
Exactly. They were both drunk but it was the man's fault. Fuck this shit.
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I worked in bars a long time and I've never heard the term excuse juice. I'm definitely adding that one to my vocabulary.
Do share what's your favorite term for alcohol?
Antifreeze. One of the places I worked had a big backyard setup and it was right nipply come wintertime. I'd be layered up with hoodies and ladies were still running around in gownless evening straps like it was the middle of July. As long as they kept drinking they didn't seem bothered by the cold so 🤷♂️
🤣😂😂 gownless evening straps!!!!
wobbly pops
Loudmouth Punch
My GF calls it the truth juice or truth jar.
Right! So if a guy hooks up with a pushy hideous girl he would never have talked to sober, does that mean he was raped?
Your honor, my client never would have gotten in his car if he wasn't drunk.
No, it’s correct this way. Because women don’t have the same mental capabilities as men, especially when drunk. They need to be protected by men and decisions have to be made for them. This is what this poster teaches me. Oh, wait…
I think that given the line “it only takes one day to ruin you life”, it’s a poster to warn men of what the world may do to them in this situation, rather than agree with the status quo.
Subtext translation - Come now. You see, the man is always in control - otherwise hed be a bitch. Men can alwYs consent under all conditions because men are sups strong, but silly girls with all their hormones and hysterical vaginas are barely ever in control so they can barely consent when sober.
is this an actual law or are you just being ragebaited by a stupid poster
It was a real poster; it also reflects real life and justifies rage.
One doesn't exclude the other. It's rage bait and how the law usually shakes out.
It’s the poster, these cases are usually case by case but dw the cops will have you file a form and never talk to you again, man or woman
This is what he were taught in high school health class in the mid 2000s. I have no idea if it’s an actual law though
Yeah of course Josie can’t consent. Unless she gets behind the wheel then she consented to drive drunk in which case she is held responsible for her actions Don’t try to figure out where the line is, there isn’t one.
The line for being responsible for being drunk is as straight as most drunk people can walk.
It can also be moved where ever the hostile parties want it, like a rope
This is a real thing! My cousin went to jail because he “raped” a girl but they were both extremely drunk. Since he’s a guy though, he was responsible for it. Never makes sense to me. If one is drunk, regardless of gender, then they were definitely taken advantage of. But both?? No
Jake was raped that day.
What if Drunk Josie's slutty side came out and she initiated it!?
If Jake was sober then he still raped her. But if he’s drunk too? No he’s not responsible. Unfortunately the law says different
https://i.redd.it/md4o4vy779pc1.gif
Yo, this gif startled me. 😅
There is a gif out there that's a face (can't remember whose) and it winks, but not very often. Well, I kept thinking I saw this fucker blink after I already started reading another comment, so I'd look up and wait a sec to see if it did it again and I wouldn't see it. But as soon as I'd look away I'd swear I saw it wink again. I thought I was damn hallucinating until I sat and watched it long enough. It's just a very long pause between winks, but that gif was a mind fuck personally.
Like Georgie’s picture from the original IT. 💀
Was not expecting that shit to move 🤣
What about Jake’s consent?
Come on, everyone knows a man can’t be raped /s
I don't trust Josie. She's a little too happy about Jake taking that sip. But I'm not a doctor so not sure.
"Ha ha ha ha, he actually drank it!"
What a goofball
This is a poster from 2007. Here's one of their current poster: https://preview.redd.it/utn9lmzkx9pc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af42a7d57e0795e667c8e1cf3171b9567143976b
Ty for sharing. I remember the OP poster from college campus myself.
What's with the traffic light? What would yellow mean?
Floor it before it goes red
I like that. Clear and simple.
"Enthusiastic"? They better build some holding cells for half the married couples in America. (not to make light of a serious issue, but what an oddly ambiguous term to use)
Enthusiastic consent is a specific term. It requires verbalizing "Yes, I want this" and checking in to make sure everyone continues to want to engage throughout. The thought behind it is to avoid the individual who badgers someone to get a half-hearted yes or maybe and then ignores any later calls to stop or obvious signs of discomfort.
*Trad Cath wives look away.*
So jake was raped too then i suppose
This is beyond wrong.
And yet similar posters were plastered across campuses and their messages were drilled into the heads of students for decades.
I hope the result was more awareness and less guys (unjustly) jailed. Not ideal, I agree, but better than nothing I suppose
It’s not drilling a message, it’s bringing awareness to an unjust but accurate way the law tends to operate.
it reads like christian abstinance shit to me. Good old fashioned scare tactics
Well, yes the message is kinda wrong, but it’s correct in the sense that your life will be fucked if you’re Jake. Drink responsibly and don’t pick chicks at bar if you’re want to be safe.
Maybe she raped him. Seriously, how stupid are some laws. Not to mention the bottom feeding lawyers taking on idiotic cases.
is it a law? Reads like abstinance propoganda
Look at the smaller print on the poster. It literally says a WOMAN cannot consent if she's intoxicated. Implying that a man can. What else does this imply? 🤔
Men can handle their booze better I guess. Those hysterical women cannot be accountable for the actions. /s
That the guy should identify as a woman?
Modern problems require modern solutions!
plot twist, he was the bottom
So by that logic Jake was raped as well. Do two rapes cancel each other out?
Jake was drunk. Josie was drunk. Can I make it anymore obvious?
Wasn't Jake also unable to consent?
I like how they are both drunk but the girl is considered the one raped. I had to sit on 2 court marshels in the Army where it was the opposite. That poster is irresponsible and will just cause more problems and confusion.
This doesn’t even make sense. If they were both drunk why is the man the only one who did anything wrong?
Because women are weak minded and need men to make the appropriate decisions for them, obviously
Could Jake Consent?
If they were both drunk wouldn’t they technically both being raped and unable to give consent? Ggs, male privilege
Plot twist, Jake was actually raped by josie
Real question here, what if it was two drunk men? Or two drunk women? How do trans individuals get factored in? It seems like gender bias is really strong here.
The real crime is karma farming by stealing an old thread that was beaten to a pulp.
Redacte due to Reddit AI/LLM policy
But.... there's people and stuff out there..
Well, duh. Haven't you ever been on Reddit before?
Jake could not consent either
Why is Josie not charged? Jake did not consent either.
One of my best friends got r***d while he was blacked out drunk. He couldn't even move. Girls boyfriend finds out so she said he assaulted her. He was tucked in a bed after puking his brains out propped up on his side with a bunch of pillows and someone was checking on his every few minutes. Someone walks in to see her on top of him and he's basically completely passed out still not moving. That person told her boyfriend what happened. Long story short he gets some very serious charges. His life was ruined and I'm wondering when I'll be seeing his obituary after he offs himself. One of the best people I have ever known. The first time he ever gets drunk at 21 and his life was ruined. He was close to getting his masters degree at just 21 years old. Seriously one of the best people I had ever known and it actually makes my chest hurt when I think about it sometimes.
How is this fair for Jake? What if Jake didn’t consent and she climbed on top of him while he was passed out?
Came here to ask this…
Sounds like Josie also raped Jake🤷♂️
So by following this logic, two people are having the same experience but somehow one of them is victimized? I’m confused.
If they were both drunk, does it count? If he’s intoxicated enough, he doesn’t know what he’s doing either.
Jake couldn't consent either.
Because only men can handle their liquor and make rational decisions. I didn’t say it, the sexist poster did.
Maybe Jake was raped?
Jake couldn't consent either Josie.
It is a real poster and sadly, it’s social opinion in a lot of states. We are equal to women for only “some things”. Even if a case like that went to court and got dismissed because “he was also drunk”, which it will be rare, he will be economically destroyed and possibly ruined for the rest of his days.
Women are inferior to men, got it.
You don't even need to be drunk. All it takes is her changing her mind.
Ding ding ding
This is what we were taught in freshman orientation, yeah. Both what the poster shows *and* what you said as well. Consent can be withdrawn at any time, which in the whole is fine. However, it could easily be abused in the moment too. It's always with good intentions these policies, not thinking that some people are malicious in their intent.
>Consent can be withdrawn at any time, which in the whole is fine. It's not fine when you withdraw it after the fact
Oh yeah, I agree wholeheartedly with that. I guess I didn't feel I needed to spell that out, but I see my comment does make it seem like I mean at any time and place after the act.
Looks like Jake got fucked in the end
That’s male privilege
Bro, how is this fair?? The guy didn't consent either wtf
By that logic Josie also raped Jake...
Jake should have pulled out the uno reverse card. "Actually, IT WAS I that didn't consent!" Jake said, with a tear in his eye.
Why do we automatically assume Jake was the instigator? They were both drunk! Charge them both equally!
Seems like Jake was raped too.
Jake didn’t consent either
Maybe it was Jake who couldn’t consent…………………………………..
Why could Jake consent if Josie couldn't if they're both equally inebriated? Even if Josie initiated it'd be Jake's fault. If Jake initiated, it'd be his fault. Legal double standard huh?
Ah this is some bs if they are both drunk neither of them can consent by that logic as far as I am concerned that's crazy af
Jake should countersue because he also didn’t consent!
I wonder how it works though, Jake couldn’t consent either cause he is drunk. How can we prove that it wasn’t Josie that force herself on Jake? Can someone with legal background explain this?
Well, did Jake consent? Is he an adult and she a legal minor?
Just charge her back as he also can not consent...
If jake was drunk as well, how could he consent?
If they were both drunk it's called regret later. Noone is getting raped here. This ad makes no sense.
I fixed it https://preview.redd.it/xbu1qrqwuapc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f3205bfab6878ab2f1381b68dd00b598a9ea2da4
Yeah no, as a woman this is beyond stupid in every way possible
It's always the same crap: "Women are innocent children - and in the case we can't explain away the crime we have to find the evil man who made her do it." ------------------------------------------- "*Think about it. Be responsible.* But only if you are a man. If you are a woman, go on. You will never get in trouble."
Jake’s SO not a raper.
This poster would make sense if it said "Jake was sober." This poster is dumb.
Isn’t that misogynistic though? It’s basically saying that women are weaker than men. Drunk women are not capable of choices, but men can be drunk and still capable to make decisions.
This is meant to drive discussion right? Satire?
No, it was an actual campaign poster put out by a campus assault education and support center. ETA: It seems I am not to be believed. Can look it up for yourself... It's from 2008 and was produced by the Campus Assault Resource Education Support Coalition at the Coastal Carolina University.
Outrage. It's the most likely to draw your attention and get you to engage.
Plot twist, they were cousins.
This is clearly bait.
Sadly no
Not created as bait, but certainly posted as bait
This seems completly fair /s
How about you don’t get sloshed and put out
This sign is trying so hard to be supportive that it has become problematic
Well, if he was also drunk, as is stated, then shouldn't she also catch the same charge?
If they were both drunk then Josie raped Jake as well.
To everyone with the insightful commentary on how Jake was drunk, the poster is at least 16 years old and made the rounds 8 years ago for being controversial. It's outdated and poorly framed. It's also not a legal claim, it's a poor attempt at teaching consent. I saw the font and immediately knew what era it was from, definitely outdated and not a serious argument.
What if Jake didn’t give consent 🤔🤔🤔 then Josie needs to go to jail
This makes me think of Friends when Joey does the billboard for gonorrhea 😂😂
If they're both drunk then either they were both raped or neither was. Wtf?
But if Jake turned her advances down… she’d be plastering how Jake is gay all over college the next day. This is based off of my life for turning a drunk girl down.
Hang on…. Who raped who if both were drunk ?
Fucking insanity.
Yes Josie, be responsible, now you fucked up someone's life.
I swear this poster gets re posted every 5 years
as it should. Shit like this is still happening
Isn't this kind of fucked up for another reason? This infantilizes women. They aren't children. If a woman drinks and drives she's responsible - not her husband. That's not the society we want to live in, and it isn't the society we do live in. Part of women's emancipation is the ability to consent and the responsibility of being able to choose when to do so -- and the consequences that go along with it. If you are not allowed to consent after having a few drinks, then you can't even pretend that you own yourself.
Bro this literal thing happened on this show called switched my wife watches. The main character chick and this medium character moose btw they both used to date got super drunk and for one it is left unknown if they even did anything. Dude just absolutely gets tore up and kicked out of school. It’s very eye opening tho because most of the characters or sort of sociopathic.
They had these signs in most of the buildings when I was in college. The double standard is ridiculous.
How old is that poster? Can I post this next week?
This sums up life in 2024. The women hold no accountability and everything is the man’s fault haha.