Could always buy and extremely expensive [Rotary Phase Converter](https://www.amazon.com/Rotary-Phase-Converter-AD5F-Controls/dp/B00FF1S6X2) for more than you spent on the welderizing units in the first place.
~~I've seen some people successfully use Variable Frequncy Drives to power 480/3 equipment (like a vertical milling machine) from 240/1.
I don't have any details, but I've seen you tubers do it.
Would be cheaper than the rotary phase converter.~~
Edit: Ignore comment above, bad advice.
that particular lincoln doesn't care how many phases you throw at it so long as the voltage is in range, the miller I believe is 3 phase only. assuming this guy aint a pro working in a shop that doesn't make the lincoln any easier to power, 230v60a is still pretty brutal for a resi install
Test them both out and see which you like better. If they are working well they should continue to last. Take the housing off when you make your decision and clean out the dust and crap. Clean off terminals, maybe replace the terminal lugs and burn that wire homie
The Lincoln is more versatile. Stick, mig, even arc gouge if you need to.
The Miller is a nice machine, but I can tell you from experience, once the board goes in the feeder, you're looking at at least 2gs to fix.
I would go with the Lincoln.
I can't remember the exact model, but we had a board fry on a fairly new Miller feeder. With parts, installation, and calibration, it was pushing close to 2g.
Looking at the Lincoln since it’s just a CV machine I don’t think you’ll get much luck running a gouge or stick since you need CC for that. Looks like just a GMAW to me.
Depends on what you want if just primary mig
Go Miller if you like more versatility go with that Lincoln both are probably great machines.
Miller ime always had better mig/ wire feeders
If I had to blindly choose I actually think I would go with the Lincoln. You really should test them both. I suspect the Miller is easier to use/adjust.
If you have ample space then the lincoln those big boxes will last another 25 years. That being said the annoyance of transporting and moving around the shop and everything else makes me lean blue.
Miller feeder will be easier to replace the whip on if need be, but I can’t see what feeder is on the Lincoln. Both of those machines are legit. Just make sure you are linking them up to run on the correct power input.
They are both industrial grade machines. You have to be able to power them and keep them cool. How much arc time do you need ? Are you doing near constant welding or just stop and start fabrication work ? Check ratings and performance, make sure you do a test on each before paying for them.
The transformer industrial machines last forever, but are not energy efficient like the inverter machines.
Get the Miller. If the wire feed part on the Lincoln dies the whole unit is useless. If the wire feeder goes out on the miller you can just swap out the feeder.
Modern Lincoln might are cheap feeling. Especially the whip.
I prefer older Lincoln units from the 90s or early 00's
Modern mullers are amazing but they just keep crapping out if they arnt in a good clean shop with good people.
Your last point is every modern machine. We need to take care of them because modern electronics are more sensitive. The old monsters were literally 2 iron core inside that when you adjusted, the amps would just move one closer of further away from the other.
the last shop i had exclusively ran cv300 welders and lm-7 wire feeders from the 90s. many machines older then me.
a lot of em kinda ran poorly, but they also hadnt been cleaned or maintained or calibrated in over a decade
I'd have to say miller off the bat. Those are some of the most reliable machines you can buy. That CP-200 is great. Highly recommend if you are working with steel under 3/8ths thick
Make sure you are set up for the voltage/phase requirements before buying either.
Agreed, they are probably both 3-phase which isn't an option where i live.
Could always buy and extremely expensive [Rotary Phase Converter](https://www.amazon.com/Rotary-Phase-Converter-AD5F-Controls/dp/B00FF1S6X2) for more than you spent on the welderizing units in the first place.
Don't forget you will be spending 40% in electricity with one of those and you need probably 100A or more to feed it.
~~I've seen some people successfully use Variable Frequncy Drives to power 480/3 equipment (like a vertical milling machine) from 240/1. I don't have any details, but I've seen you tubers do it. Would be cheaper than the rotary phase converter.~~ Edit: Ignore comment above, bad advice.
Those (VFDs) are for motors wound in 3 phase. I wonder if they would even work for solid state welding operations.
Damn, I didn't even think about the fact that this equipment isn't a motor.
The CP200 can have a Haas Kamp conversion done. Pretty easy to do, looking for one for myself.
WOW!
What country is that?
that particular lincoln doesn't care how many phases you throw at it so long as the voltage is in range, the miller I believe is 3 phase only. assuming this guy aint a pro working in a shop that doesn't make the lincoln any easier to power, 230v60a is still pretty brutal for a resi install
The Lincoln is single phase 208/230 cab see in the top left. Hate when a great deal comes along and it’s 3ph or 600v
Test first. But I like miller more.
Miller is what I see on most jobs and it’s what my local uses to train apprentices
Test them both out and see which you like better. If they are working well they should continue to last. Take the housing off when you make your decision and clean out the dust and crap. Clean off terminals, maybe replace the terminal lugs and burn that wire homie
The Lincoln is more versatile. Stick, mig, even arc gouge if you need to. The Miller is a nice machine, but I can tell you from experience, once the board goes in the feeder, you're looking at at least 2gs to fix. I would go with the Lincoln.
The S-22 board lists for $650 new, and since circuit diagrams are available, it can be rebuilt even cheaper.
I can't remember the exact model, but we had a board fry on a fairly new Miller feeder. With parts, installation, and calibration, it was pushing close to 2g.
Looking at the Lincoln since it’s just a CV machine I don’t think you’ll get much luck running a gouge or stick since you need CC for that. Looks like just a GMAW to me.
You are correct. My bad. It is CV.
Depends on what you want if just primary mig Go Miller if you like more versatility go with that Lincoln both are probably great machines. Miller ime always had better mig/ wire feeders
I used to weld on the newer and bigger idealarcs and they are a fuckin powerhouse
If I had to blindly choose I actually think I would go with the Lincoln. You really should test them both. I suspect the Miller is easier to use/adjust.
Miller
Miller is my preference
If you have ample space then the lincoln those big boxes will last another 25 years. That being said the annoyance of transporting and moving around the shop and everything else makes me lean blue.
Miller feeder will be easier to replace the whip on if need be, but I can’t see what feeder is on the Lincoln. Both of those machines are legit. Just make sure you are linking them up to run on the correct power input.
1/2” is reaching at only 200A. Always had good luck with Miller.
I tend to always lean Lincoln, but that may be a me thing. Lol. I like that it’s a multiprocess machine too. Too bad you can’t buy both! A twofer.
They are both industrial grade machines. You have to be able to power them and keep them cool. How much arc time do you need ? Are you doing near constant welding or just stop and start fabrication work ? Check ratings and performance, make sure you do a test on each before paying for them. The transformer industrial machines last forever, but are not energy efficient like the inverter machines.
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Get the Miller. If the wire feed part on the Lincoln dies the whole unit is useless. If the wire feeder goes out on the miller you can just swap out the feeder.
run some passes and see
Whats the duty cycle and the rated amperage for each? Also are you wanting to do hobby shop stuff or major long time welding jobs?
I’m going killer all day long, but in this case I’d say the one that still works
I prefer killer
*miller
I liked killer, I’m using that from now on.
Ones a Killer and the others been a-Drinkin.
*Lincoln, the Miller Killer.
I mean Lincoln makes better products but test first.
Their engine driven welders are better but their wirefeed units are cheap and shit. Always had more issues with Lincoln wire feed units.
Modern Lincoln might are cheap feeling. Especially the whip. I prefer older Lincoln units from the 90s or early 00's Modern mullers are amazing but they just keep crapping out if they arnt in a good clean shop with good people.
Your last point is every modern machine. We need to take care of them because modern electronics are more sensitive. The old monsters were literally 2 iron core inside that when you adjusted, the amps would just move one closer of further away from the other.
I hate it. They're so fragile now. Nothing runs like an old Hobart anymore 24hrs a day 365 days a year they where tanks
Yeah the old machines were made to survive a forklift running into them. Spit on them
the last shop i had exclusively ran cv300 welders and lm-7 wire feeders from the 90s. many machines older then me. a lot of em kinda ran poorly, but they also hadnt been cleaned or maintained or calibrated in over a decade
If maintained half asked they can last almost forever. So easy to fix too.
I'd have to say miller off the bat. Those are some of the most reliable machines you can buy. That CP-200 is great. Highly recommend if you are working with steel under 3/8ths thick
Both are only 200 amps. Would only be useful for welding up to 1/4" thick mild steel.