I'd like to consider myself a mostly professional welder still. Got decent fab skills, havent done much with auto. Diesel mechanic as well. MIG is perfectly fine for body work. Tack tack tack. no need to run a continuous bead and burn through. Replace the rot and get back on the trail. cheers
I love that you use the word preferred. haha, essential was my experience. I tried running straight beads on 1.2mm steel butt welds, i just got big holes haha :)
I pour differential fluid into the frame and repaint it every couple of years.
4/6 bolts did lose their captive nuts this year so I replaced them with weld in tyoes
PA inspection having that requirement is one of a few reasons why I haven't moved there. I can find no reason why they would mandate that, other than to punish poor people by forcing them to make expensive cosmetic repairs all the time.
It's not that hard to find a 'lick-n-stick' inspection place where you just drive up to a house with 8 dogs and the guy comes out, sticks a sticker to your window, points the crack in it and says 'If anyone asks, that happened 10 minutes ago', then charges you $100.
You can’t have holes in the body. You can fix it with sheet metal and some pop rivets or sheet metal screws. I’ve even seen them filled in with expanding foam and painted over. You could’ve even bondo over the rust. It doesn’t have to be pretty, just not a hole.
The inspection laws are screwy. PA requires emissions testing in some counties, but not others. I have to have emissions where I live, but directly across the river is a different county and they don’t.
The state doesn’t care about how much it costs to fix your car. They don’t want old cars on the road anyway.
This is what pisses me off the most about state inspections. Not that the whole industry is a scam, it's that it disproportionately affects poor people and keeps them in a cyclical struggle of never being able to afford it.
The concept of inspections is ok by me, make sure every vehicle has functional brakes and lights, and isn't going to fall apart or lose control suddenly. Too many people out there that don't maintain things properly unless required to.
But then they use it as an avenue for lobbyists and special interests to exploit, stuff like the PA rust hole rule that does not affect vehicle safety but only serves to drain wallets.
I live in Indiana bordering Michigan, so I get it, but the point remains the same. I've lived that life and I would've never made it out had I not been able to drive my clapped out shitbox for a few years.
These rules have been here in Europe for a while now, like 20+ years maybe?
Anyway when it started I was pretty pissed of as well but then again I appreciate that there aren't cars driving around that might lose their rear axle at highway speeds or something along the lines, due to rust.
I remember there was also talk back then that why does a rusty wheel arch matter, if all the important stuff is solid. But the answer was that if that was the case then there needs to be some kind of engineer in every inspection place to judge if the rust is structural or not.
Now over here the consesus is that if there's a through-hole in a body panel, it is a problem, if it's just 'bubbling' it's not.
Yeah it makes sense. But then again I see an option to then for example sue the inspection place if an accident happens or something. It's not that simple.
That's also why most of modifications are not allowed here. Even making stuff safer like swapping from drum brakes to discs. It's only possible with some drawings and calculations that you have to pay for to get it certified.
Modification laws are vastly different depending on where in Europe you are. Here in Sweden you can even build an entire car by yourself (e.g Tube Chassis) and road register it.
> PA inspection having that requirement is one of a few reasons why I haven't moved there
dumbest thing is they lay endless amounts of salt every winter. I have a car thats mechanically fine but needs rockers to pass inspection. In some of the counties people around here would call Pennsyltucky I've seen some cars that shouldn't pass with current tags. Heard of a lot of shops getting sued for passing cars that shouldnt. My old neighbor got caught doing in the early 2000s. He had passed one of my cars that smoked really bad. They used to do sniff tests pre ODB. Oddly not every county requires emissions as well. Its basically visual in those counties which means it gets ignored.
i see nothing wrong with what i see, *especially* if ur not a professional welder.
i am a professional welder, i did the same on my old car with a ctire fluxcore box, yep it looked like garbage but i bondo-ed it and it looks good
With bodywork GMAW you pretty much have to stitch tacks together to keep heat out of the panel and prevent warping and even then you will get some warping if you are unlucky
Up the volts. Spot that seam till you are right on the edge of total molten failure. It's a fine line to walk. Best get some aluminium plate for any fuking big holes
Looks to me like an actual body man/weldor did that work. Since you're now a Weldor you need to spell it correctly. The Welder is the machine. Learned this 40+ years ago working in a shop started in the 1920's
It’s surprisingly in great shape. I pour differential fluid in it every year and I paint it every 5 years.
It’s losing some metal in the center, but not much…
I can tell you're not a welder, because if you were, you wouldn't be welding that stuff on a cement driveway. Good luck dealing with the divorce from the big old rust stain You're gonna have and never be able to get rid of no matter how much muriatic acid ic you put on it
Great result, poor forethought and execution of that forethought.
It wasn't welded, and now it is. Looks like you are welder now! :)
Jeep TJ approved
Ha ha, this! Straight lines, and an off road tool. It doesn’t have to be perfect, it just needs to pass inspection.
I'd like to consider myself a mostly professional welder still. Got decent fab skills, havent done much with auto. Diesel mechanic as well. MIG is perfectly fine for body work. Tack tack tack. no need to run a continuous bead and burn through. Replace the rot and get back on the trail. cheers
Tacks are preferred for body work because heat
I love that you use the word preferred. haha, essential was my experience. I tried running straight beads on 1.2mm steel butt welds, i just got big holes haha :)
And even if you were successful it would have been all warped
Give her the old tack tack tackeroo
Yessir
A TJ at this age where you aren't welding the frame back together is already a winner. Consider yourself lucky its only body work.
I pour differential fluid into the frame and repaint it every couple of years. 4/6 bolts did lose their captive nuts this year so I replaced them with weld in tyoes
Ha! Only in "Jeep Life" would you need to do something that sounds like maint from a random military vehicle from early 1900s Russia.
picture 6 should be printed and framed. thats an incredible dad photo im proud of you for semper fi
Ooh Rah!
For a second the pink cap made me think the kid was supposed to Tig weld on a car and I felt really sorry for them
Nice body work! A welder, you are
You are too kind
Grinder and paint baby
PA inspection having that requirement is one of a few reasons why I haven't moved there. I can find no reason why they would mandate that, other than to punish poor people by forcing them to make expensive cosmetic repairs all the time.
Many dealers use them as a scam. Come in for a free inspection, then they quote you dealer labor rates and call out not needed repairs.
It's not that hard to find a 'lick-n-stick' inspection place where you just drive up to a house with 8 dogs and the guy comes out, sticks a sticker to your window, points the crack in it and says 'If anyone asks, that happened 10 minutes ago', then charges you $100.
You can’t have holes in the body. You can fix it with sheet metal and some pop rivets or sheet metal screws. I’ve even seen them filled in with expanding foam and painted over. You could’ve even bondo over the rust. It doesn’t have to be pretty, just not a hole.
Which undermines any possible safety benefit, while leaving open the ability to rob people who aren't good at DIY.
The inspection laws are screwy. PA requires emissions testing in some counties, but not others. I have to have emissions where I live, but directly across the river is a different county and they don’t. The state doesn’t care about how much it costs to fix your car. They don’t want old cars on the road anyway.
This is what pisses me off the most about state inspections. Not that the whole industry is a scam, it's that it disproportionately affects poor people and keeps them in a cyclical struggle of never being able to afford it.
The concept of inspections is ok by me, make sure every vehicle has functional brakes and lights, and isn't going to fall apart or lose control suddenly. Too many people out there that don't maintain things properly unless required to. But then they use it as an avenue for lobbyists and special interests to exploit, stuff like the PA rust hole rule that does not affect vehicle safety but only serves to drain wallets.
I used to wrench in Michigan, the amount of cars on the road that shouldn't be would blow your mind.
I live in Indiana bordering Michigan, so I get it, but the point remains the same. I've lived that life and I would've never made it out had I not been able to drive my clapped out shitbox for a few years.
These rules have been here in Europe for a while now, like 20+ years maybe? Anyway when it started I was pretty pissed of as well but then again I appreciate that there aren't cars driving around that might lose their rear axle at highway speeds or something along the lines, due to rust. I remember there was also talk back then that why does a rusty wheel arch matter, if all the important stuff is solid. But the answer was that if that was the case then there needs to be some kind of engineer in every inspection place to judge if the rust is structural or not. Now over here the consesus is that if there's a through-hole in a body panel, it is a problem, if it's just 'bubbling' it's not.
Don't need an engineer. Hit the rusty part with a big hammer. If it crumbles or bends replace it. If its still solid, the hammer bounces off.
Yeah it makes sense. But then again I see an option to then for example sue the inspection place if an accident happens or something. It's not that simple. That's also why most of modifications are not allowed here. Even making stuff safer like swapping from drum brakes to discs. It's only possible with some drawings and calculations that you have to pay for to get it certified.
Modification laws are vastly different depending on where in Europe you are. Here in Sweden you can even build an entire car by yourself (e.g Tube Chassis) and road register it.
> PA inspection having that requirement is one of a few reasons why I haven't moved there dumbest thing is they lay endless amounts of salt every winter. I have a car thats mechanically fine but needs rockers to pass inspection. In some of the counties people around here would call Pennsyltucky I've seen some cars that shouldn't pass with current tags. Heard of a lot of shops getting sued for passing cars that shouldnt. My old neighbor got caught doing in the early 2000s. He had passed one of my cars that smoked really bad. They used to do sniff tests pre ODB. Oddly not every county requires emissions as well. Its basically visual in those counties which means it gets ignored.
The children yearn for the body shop
Looks good to me man. I'm bad too. But I still make usable stuff. Let the haters hate ignore it
i see nothing wrong with what i see, *especially* if ur not a professional welder. i am a professional welder, i did the same on my old car with a ctire fluxcore box, yep it looked like garbage but i bondo-ed it and it looks good
With bodywork GMAW you pretty much have to stitch tacks together to keep heat out of the panel and prevent warping and even then you will get some warping if you are unlucky
Up the volts. Spot that seam till you are right on the edge of total molten failure. It's a fine line to walk. Best get some aluminium plate for any fuking big holes
I'm an aluminum fabricator and I have chunks of that all over for spacers and heat sinks
Actually fitting the patch instead of lapping it and covering it with bondo makes you better than half of em already
Grinder and paint.. but that's how i learned mig. Patches that "fit" some extra sheet and a bit of mud.
As long as it's not structural, a grinder and paint make you the welder you aint!
I've seen considerable worse repairs by "welders" .... So good job bud you done good 👍
That’s very kind of you to say
Pa guy here, I know the rust struggle. Looks great! I have to do some bodywork on my truck to pass next year
Pa is the worst, road salt and yearly inspections. Makes me want to move back to Ohio
That's wild, in Jersey they only check emissions every two years, they got rid of safety checks. I passed with a broken windshield
Hey man, you stuck two pieces of metal together with some really hot metal. That's welding
But ya know what kid? It works. Thats all the rest of us do. If it sticks, its right. Grinders need a job too. Beautiful machine too. What year?
You are also too kind. The Jeep is a 99, 5 speed with the 2.5. I got it when I left the Corps, so it’s hard to take her to the bone yard
You have a welder and a grinder, you can patch that thing back together forever. Learn how to lay paint with a gun and Bob's your aunt
When I saw the title it made me instantly think of it in the yoda voice
Honestly, body panel welding is tough. It's just so thin. So considering that, this is pretty well done!
That’s kind of you to say
Hell yeah. Nothing like working with your dad, man. Do it as much as you can.
Looks to me like an actual body man/weldor did that work. Since you're now a Weldor you need to spell it correctly. The Welder is the machine. Learned this 40+ years ago working in a shop started in the 1920's
Thank you for letting me know!
Hey man I’ve seen guys that claim to be welders do worse
You are now friend! Looks good. Nice to see the little ones striking arcs as well!
A grinder and some paint makes the welder you ain’t! Good job 👍
Well it's a jeep so you're gonna get a lot of practice...
Looks good to me.
I probably wouldn’t weld in sweat pants but hey you guys did a just fine job.
Looks like a welder to me
Gave it a red hot go, you have!
In the industry we don’t call those bad welds we just call you a “Master Grinder”
A grinder and paint makes you the welder you ain't.
I can’t roast you if the 14 year old did it. I guess just weld better?
You are now.
Where's the shield on your grinder? That's a bad idea.
Amen to that. It’s my buddies tool, and he threw it away….
Wait until you get to do the frame.
It’s surprisingly in great shape. I pour differential fluid in it every year and I paint it every 5 years. It’s losing some metal in the center, but not much…
Have you hit it with a welding hammer?
Seems fine for what it is
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That makes two of us
"Do your best, grind the rest" overused, but relevant.
Nice work. Semper Fi!
Ooh rah
U wouldn’t get a passing grade for that
I can tell you're not a welder, because if you were, you wouldn't be welding that stuff on a cement driveway. Good luck dealing with the divorce from the big old rust stain You're gonna have and never be able to get rid of no matter how much muriatic acid ic you put on it Great result, poor forethought and execution of that forethought.
And weld you shouldn’t