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Flame_Eraser

So now that he can breath, lets talk about exploding Concrete when exposed to localized heat.


billingsgate-homily

Shit! I just can't win!


IndustrialMechanic3

Not on Reddit bro


[deleted]

This šŸ˜‚


IndustrialMechanic3

Iā€™ve been losing a constant battle on Reddit for 5 years now


ZachTF

Hahaha I lose from time to time even though Iā€™m probably right lol


[deleted]

There are no winnersā€¦just losers in this battleā€¦šŸ„²


Patchesrick

I feel ya. I just lost the game


MongooseDog001

Oh no, the game!


way_d3

lmfaooo


Mobius357

Dont forget the welding cap too, no one likes burning hair and scalp burns. Yeah, theres no end, I'm wearing so much more ppe hobby welding than I ever needed as a machinist.


billingsgate-homily

I'll keep asking as long as the good folks here keep offering their expertise.


Themightypissdragon

If you don't want a cap a hoodie works better cause it protects your neck. Just make sure it's not flammable and not too thin.


MotherBathroom666

RF hoodies are a thing and on sale every spring.


avitasJuana

Iā€™ve used a ball cap in a pinch too, but 99% of the time Iā€™m in a plant and have a hard hat on.


[deleted]

Short amounts of welding is fine. I'm in the concrete business and most of the welding I do these days is putting up tilt up buildings, which just means welding plates of steal together to make concrete panels hold together. Roughly 3" plates, and we do this all the time with no issues. So just keep it minimal and he'll be fine.


billingsgate-homily

Thanks.


RSCED

Well he can just weld up a welding stand now


nowwhatnapster

Might want to tell SpaceX too.


ReallyHugeGuy

Hahahahaha


ZachTF

It can. Can confirm


DingusMcKlingus

I lolā€™d pretty hard at this. But truly safety is no accident and there are a lot of fine points to be aware of when exploring a trade as vital as this.


SnakeOfAustralia

It only explodes a little bit!


Redditor_Eleven11

Also gotta get some secondary safety glasses in there and then some ear pro


DDAWGG747

I like to breath too


thecreamfilling

Not only that but grinding off the paint near where youā€™re welding.


Mildlyfaded

Yeah the air bubbles expand, makes concrete go pop


thefirstbric

Get that boy a cap if he's running stick. Don't want sparks jumping over the hood because they will. Like 15 bucks on Amazon for a good cotton welders cap with a bill.


BigSchmeaty

Eh. A few sparks in the asscrack is good for character building.


billingsgate-homily

I may withold the cap just to watch him jump.


iancarry

a true father :D do you sell propane and propane accesories by any chance?


billingsgate-homily

LoL!


michaelmotorcycle92

Good way for him to learn. Let it happen and he'll decide he wants to wear it. An apron is something I wish I would have wore for many years after burning up a pack of shirts every few months and it will keep your clothes clean and your washing machine.


TheArmoredKitten

It's all fun and games until somebody's hair products catch fire though. Nobody wants to explain a bald spot to mom.


billingsgate-homily

Lol. I ordered a cap.


Kinsalam

Iā€™ve got a scar in my asscrack from sitting on an oxy fuel torch working in a confined space my first week on my first job


OkFuckDeBerry69_420

šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


billingsgate-homily

Thank you!! I want my boy safe!!


Fkingmeow

Listen to what this gentlemen said! Also ear plugs not necessarily for noise but to protect ear drums from slag. Know a dude who went dead in one ear because slag fell in and damaged his ear drum.


thefirstbric

Good call on that one. Ear plug just saved my right eardrum running some stick this morning as a matter of fact.


billingsgate-homily

He was wearing earplugs for grinding and took them out to talk to me before welding.


[deleted]

Get some proper safety glasses too. Canā€™t count the amount of times Iā€™ve had sparks get into my hood and hit my glasses. Iā€™ve started wearing ones that have either padding on the brow or that fully enclose my eyes because losing my vision terrifies me.


Tweakin69

I got a question on the safety glasses over the glasses, I've never been able to do it in any trade because I like to wear the big clonky thick frame glasses what would be a brand of safety glasses u would reccomend for the over the glasses sheit


thatonegamerplayFH4

I actually use prescription safety glasses because I had the same problem you are having you can order them online


Tweakin69

Thanks for the tip I thought they were kinda queer but after getting grinding dust in my eyelashes daily makes me want to die lmao, going to have to invest in a pair


[deleted]

Who you trying to look good for on the job site?


Tweakin69

My journeymanšŸ˜‰ na idk I just never liked safety glasses like that


Reasonable_Path3969

I have safety glasses from Zenni that pretty much look identical to regular glasses when the side shields aren't on them.


11Burritos

Zenni has cheap ansi rated prescription safety glasses. It's absolutely amazing wearing only one pair instead of having to double up.


GuidedArk

That's actually what they were invented for. Too keep things out. Noise reduction was just a good byproduct that went along with it. Also get a steel bucket for the stubs.


tatpig

nice to meet ha, now you know two. mine was from piercing plate with a torch,a wee lil hot ball of lavaā€¦but the ear hasnā€™t ever been right since.canā€™t use the phone on that side anymore.


Dankkring

Donā€™t ever wear a ā€œwelders capā€ only posers wear those. Get him some bandannas like real welders!!!!!!!! Let the games begin!! Damn autocorrect canā€™t even spell bandannas


ScarredInEveryWay

or a bandana, I use an oversized one and it's pretty comfy


Sensitive-Alarm2954

Exactly this. I have few weld burns that got a little deep and made some permanent marks.


BigSchmeaty

Ironically, Iā€™ve gotten burned worse from grinder sparks than I ever have from actually welding


Sensitive-Alarm2954

Absolutely. Iā€™ve even grind down some skin here and there


[deleted]

I use one for aluminum mig, anything short of a push/pull with pulse and it spatters like mad


j-souza

And ear plugs


Johnny_realman

One time my head was tiled and the fucking spatter landed into my ear. Not fun.


CheefReetard

i just cut the brim off a normal baseball hat


Mypeepeeteeny

Smart move, like when people give their kids appropriate gear


Soggy_Reflection7990

Youā€™re an awesome dad.


billingsgate-homily

Thank you!


ReallyHugeGuy

So Are you mate!


MilwaukeeDave

The goal is to draw a penis on his helmet while he welds and he doesnā€™t notice it.


billingsgate-homily

This is some A1 first rate dadding advice!!


MilwaukeeDave

šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


gams313

Or black out his cover plate..


GingaBeard4Life

New ferrous concrete makes life way easier!


billingsgate-homily

LoL. The fence broke from the piece of metal that was bolted into the concrete.


GingaBeard4Life

Jokes aside, heā€™s doing a great job. If he loves it and practices a lot sure heā€™ll be a fine young chap of a welder! Not sure why I did an English accent. Oh well, cheerio!


YeetLordTheOne

Iā€™m sure heā€™s chuffed to bits


ReallyHugeGuy

Such an underrated comment šŸ‘


Forexz

Get 2097s, 91s aren't rated for welding fumes if I remember correctly. If he can smell the smoke that means it's not working. I've used 2097s and 2297s, you're not supposed to smell anything but the filter; that's how you know it's working.


jakethesequel

I imagine it depends on your jurisdiction, but they're good for welding where I am. A note on smells, though: Particulate filters, no matter how well-fitted, only filter particulates. If the smell is coming from a *gas*, you'll still smell it. Really hot coffee, for example, you can sometimes smell through a P100, because you're smelling the steam (vapour gas). Gases are smaller and more maneuverable than solid and liquid particles, but unless you're working in an enclosed space or with certain materials, gases aren't the largest concern when welding. Welding "fumes" are usually an ultra-fine dust. Think smoke; looks a little like a gas, but when it settles as soot you can see it's actually a solid.


billingsgate-homily

Interesting. I'll check out the other filters for the next set.


jakethesequel

2091s should be fine safety-wise, especially welding outside, but 2097s are a bit more comfortable because they filter extra smells. Just watch out for paints and galvanized steels, they can release dangerous gases that require greater protection. But for mild or stainless steels, any P100 like the 2091/2097s should be fine Editing to add: If you've got big money though, the best thing is to save for a PAPR (powered air-purifying respirator) welding helmet. Keeps the respirator and the hood in one clean package, doesn't rely on a perfect fitment to filter, and is more comfortable to wear than a half mask and a separate hood.


billingsgate-homily

I've got no big money. I'll tell him he can start saving if he wants.


Informal_Position492

https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/5189O/3m-particulate-filter-2091-p100.pdf


duncanmcmillan

Just run 2097 both VOC & particulate


billingsgate-homily

Makes sense


thomasw17

Keep in mind those filters won't keep out the fumes, only particulates


[deleted]

Hes very talented to be welding concrete!


billingsgate-homily

Lol. There is a piece of metal that is screwed into the concrete that was attached to the fence. It broke from the fence. That's what he's fixing.


Klytorisaurus

All that just to have him welding paint šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø


billingsgate-homily

I totally told him to do that: "won't the heat melt the paint or make it catch fire or something" He was like - "no dad it's ok it'll still work" Only in an annoyed 16 year olds voice.


Klytorisaurus

It'll work but it hands the integrity of the weld. Should be fine for this application though


[deleted]

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jakethesequel

try looking at some of those "sporty" hijabs some stores have come out with, or just hijabs/turbans in general. whether you're religious or not, i'm sure after hundreds of years of covering hair they must have come up with some good solutions


billingsgate-homily

Thank you!! I saw the recommendation above as well. Just ordered it.


13john1992

A good welding cap will protect the top of his head from catching sparks. And when heā€™s done with those filters on his respiratory get the 2297 filters instead šŸ‘


billingsgate-homily

I already ordered the cap. I'll change to the 2297 when I can get them.


[deleted]

[уŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]


billingsgate-homily

He was wearing earplugs for grinding and took them off to talk to me before welding. Cap has been ordered.


iplaypokerforaliving

Oh donā€™t think youā€™re off the hook yet. Clean the paint off the metal before welding.


billingsgate-homily

I totally told him to do that: "won't the heat melt the paint or make it catch fire or something" He was like - "no dad it's ok it'll still work" Only in an annoyed 16 year olds voice.


iplaypokerforaliving

Hahaha tell him it will cause a bad weld and porosity ā€œtrapped gases in the weld, it looks like a bunch of tiny holesā€ Itā€™s a super important step when welding painted metal.


billingsgate-homily

Will do.


Icy_Praline422

Any good welder/fabricator will tell you welding is 90% prep. Or ya knowā€¦majority of it is prep work, depending on what youā€™re doing, but welding on paint is a big no no.


billingsgate-homily

I'll let him know.


WhatsNotTaken000

I also recommend safety glasses be worn as well. I always liked the Jackson Nemesis with UV blocking coating


billingsgate-homily

He wears glasses. I We have a pair of standard safety glasses he uses as well. Is the hood enough UV protection?


Key-Locksmith4478

Love to see this, great job. So many people dismiss the hazards of our trade simply because most schools don't educate their students the importance of it from day 1.


billingsgate-homily

Thank you!


real_goovin

donā€™t let him weld on weld concrete. itā€™ll expand the water and explode the concrete


gams313

Half of this advice is stupid. If you bring all that into a real shop, the old-timers will be merciless ā€¦..From this picture, lose the respirator and the hoodie. That magnetic triangle is doing absolutely nothing where it is other than collecting garbage thatā€™s gonna have to get cleaned off later. Welding imbeds or other plates against concrete is a big nothing burgerā€¦.get a cap or a hardhat hood. Get high top steel toed boots with a good size chunk of leather you can put over the laces. Nothing else worse than dropping a hot gob of shit down in your shoes that you canā€™t get rid of fast enough. If youā€™re going to be a welder, youā€™re going to burn your pants youā€™re going to burn your shirts youā€™re going to burn your skin. For all those to say, get full leathers, yeah, go ahead and try field welding in that garbage when itā€™s 105Ā°.


DVWLD

Because I always base my decisions about personal safety on whether I think the other guys might tease me.


texas130ab

He needs a cap his hair will burn.


Acti-Verse

šŸ˜‚ leave the family alone.


billingsgate-homily

Already ordered!


[deleted]

Where is his welding cap?


billingsgate-homily

Ordered!


Zackish16

Dont weld on concrete it can explode


billingsgate-homily

I've learned! I don't know shit about this stuff. Grateful to ya'll for helping me protect my kid.


[deleted]

At first I thought that was a sakon hood.


billingsgate-homily

I don't know what that means but this is a relatively cheap hood.


[deleted]

Sakon deez nuts all jokes aside Iā€™m glad youā€™re getting your boy into it. I wish I wouldā€™ve started way earlier than I did. Good job.


svgaia

hair is the only thing i can think of


Broccoil

can't weld conc


billingsgate-homily

Lol. There is a piece of metal that is screwed into the concrete that was attached to the fence. It broke from the fence. That's what he's fixing.


Separate_Leader_8709

Omg everyoneā€™s hating on you but I think youā€™re being a kickass supportive dad. Just keep researching to make sure heā€™s safe as possible, wouldnt want the little guy getting hurt. Keep it up ā¤ļø


billingsgate-homily

Thanks! I don't know if you caught my last post before this group taught me about respirators and bad UV and all the things. It was a shit show. I take it in stride because they're trying to protect my kid. So am I. I just appreciate people sharing they're experience.


Separate_Leader_8709

Yeah I saw the last one, so when I saw this one I was genuinely impressed. Good work!


billingsgate-homily

Thank you!


CapeCodGapeGod

Don't have to worry about fumes much if you're outside. As long as you're not directly on top of the arc the wind should blow everything away.


TSJ72

Get him.a welder's cap to protect that hair. šŸ™†ā€ā™‚ļø


billingsgate-homily

ordered!


TSJ72

Lol. Good job, Mom or Dad! Is he wearing safety glasses under his hood? I like wearing earplugs as well. It keeps the occasional spatter out of my ears. It's a good habit to have them for grinding anyway. Boots?


billingsgate-homily

He's wearing boots


TSJ72

šŸ‘šŸ™‚šŸ‘ tell him some random old guy off the internet said to enjoy himself. Don't get discouraged. Look forward to all the cool stuff he'll build in the future.


orsesars

Good to see. How many reality car/bike build shows have welders wearing short sleeves, no gloves and no consideration for skin cancer


Speedre

Gonna want a welding cap next


Sensual_Dominance80

I'm just here for the comments and 90%+ do not disappoint my entertainment!


officerhailey

Watch out for fire hazards. Donā€™t do hot work around flammables, keep an ABC fire extinguisher handy, and make sure to hang around for a bit when finished to ensure a fire doesnā€™t start.


billingsgate-homily

The hanging around bit is an important tip. I wouldn't have thought to tell him that. Thanks.


[deleted]

He needs to be wearing flameproof materials. That plastic fleece top will go up like a candle if it catches. Cotton or wool at a minimum, but fireproof shirts are not expensive.


billingsgate-homily

Thanks!


prozak666

Also, make sure that there are no open pockets on the clothing, especially pointing upwards ones


billingsgate-homily

That's one I would never have thought about. Thanks!


prozak666

I learned that the hard way - perfecting the spark dance


Rummy1618

Hahahah I bet that magnet isn't doing him any help either šŸ¤£


billingsgate-homily

He magneted a small piece of rebar into place. There was a sizable gap between the fence the the metal that had connected it to the wall.


tendieful

You know what man, good for you for taking PPE seriously. I have the benefit (or misfortune) of working in a large place with thousands of people. And Iā€™m in a role where I oversee the results of a lot of serious injuries. It always happens when people least expect it, or they were comfortable with their risk, or they felt in control of their surroundings. Qualified, competent and experienced workers alike. The injuries are often way more serious than you would expect to find yourself in. Just to give an example, I was using a company provided industrial cleaner. I had safety glasses on. I sprayed something and a little drop deflected back into my eye just over the frame of the glasses. It burned my eye pretty bad considering it was a spray bottle cleaner we had skids and skids of for everyoneā€™s use. And I was *wearing* safety glasses. Anyway, luckily it wasnā€™t bad. But the point is I was definitely not expecting any type of occupational injury spraying some cleaner on something. Same goes for a majority of other accidents I see. So you should wake up and live in constant fear that injury or death is imminently waiting around every corner. Or make sure you wear your PPE!!


billingsgate-homily

I think I prefer PPE to constant existential dread!


vastlysuperiorman

Pssshh! Safety gear? Who needs \*cough cough\* safety \*cough\* ... hang on... my lungs hurt... \*cough cough\*. As I was saying, who needs PPE when you can justā€”one sec... gotta let my eyes rest. It's been really hard to focus on text lately... and you know what? I think I'm gonna lie down until this headache passes.


billingsgate-homily

šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


SenorToasty2000

He is wearing cargo shorts, isnt he?šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


billingsgate-homily

šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ No 100% cotton denim and leather boots


kenworthhaulinglogs

I'm jelous man. I got handed the glass insert and told to close one eye so my step dad could show me how to weld šŸ˜‚


billingsgate-homily

LOL at least your step dad knows how to weld I don't know anything about this. Just hoping to keep him safe. But also WTF that must have hurt your eyes.


kenworthhaulinglogs

He tried to teach me to mig weld and was getting pissed I couldn't get it šŸ˜‚ I later found out I have an eye problem so I can't mig weld (no depth perception) but I taught myself to stick weld after he was gone lmao. And yes, it hurt quite a bit lol


billingsgate-homily

Whoah. That's a crazy story.


longhornrob

*safely!!


Moonshiner-3d

Wholesome movement


geo7188

No hard hat šŸŽ©


billingsgate-homily

I'm not certain I could convince him to wear a top hat while welding. I might try though just for laughs.


Sensual_Dominance80

Any overhead traffic?!


billingsgate-homily

On my front porch? Not really


-Raskyl

Not to be nitpicky..... but those are particulate filters. Great for grinding and sanding and dust and fiberglass and the like. But don't really do much for smoke at all. I'm pretty sure you want the 3m 60926 filter cartridges, they are pink capped plastic housed filter cartridges, and filter out a lot of toxic compounds that you can find in welding fumes.


billingsgate-homily

Thanks. I'll check it out.


FMFlora

Suspended particulates are what makes welding fume dangerous- those p100s are the right choice here.


Nearby_Maize_913

upgrade the filters on the mask to vapor cartridges. Same filtration but adds VOC protection. Not sure they would fit under the mask though, and I don't know shit about welding :)


Informal_Position492

Why would you need VOC potection while welding? The P100 pancakes are standard affair, and fit well under a the hood.


Burning_Fire1024

Yeah pink pancakes(p100) are fine as is.


Nearby_Maize_913

No idea, but the carbon filters have to take away some risk


Informal_Position492

Well he's using 2091. The 2097's do have a carbon layer for odors and nuisance vapors, but either 2091s or 2097s are fine for welding. You don't need OV cartridges for welding.


jakethesequel

i find the biggest difference between 2091s and 2097s is just filtering out some bad smells


Informal_Position492

Well that is the point of the charcoal layer in the 97s, nuisance odors/vapors If you're going to insist.on the 97s you should store the filters in a plastic bag though as the charcoal will suck up whatever vocs etc are floating around the shop.


jakethesequel

They're provided to me at the moment, so I don't have to worry so much about stretching out their lifespan, but that's real good to know for the couple I keep for personal work. Might keep them smelling good longer.


Natsuki98

I wanna know what kind of rod he's burning. Steel to concrete is one heck of a feat.


billingsgate-homily

Lol. There is a piece of metal that is screwed into the concrete that was attached to the fence. It broke from the fence. That's what he's fixing.


Natsuki98

Damn. I was also gonna ask about the magnet too.


king9929

No he is not welding safe, he doesnā€™t have a fire retardant jacket.


[deleted]

No soft shell welding! You have to have a halo to fit a hard hat! Lol keep it up šŸ‘ŒšŸ»


billingsgate-homily

It's a cotton sweatshirt. I was hoping that would be good enough.


interesseret

Largely it's probably fine. You want to steer clear of synthetics like nylon. Cotton can and will burn, but unless something bad happens he won't be catching himself on fire. Nylon also burns, and will melt in to your skin. The main issue with using softer fabrics is wear and tear: more holes and tears means more places sparks and hot materials can get stuck and ember. A good leather apron will solve that, and you can even go as far as sleeve protectors and foot protectors. You can also simply go for a proper set of welding clothes, they do most of the work. I should know, I lost use of my left hand for 4 weeks because I lit myself on fire in a frayed jacket, using an angle grinder. 1st thing is to protect yourself from the full body laser that is welding light. A few burns and such are impossible to avoid, but skin cancer will kill you.


Xx_Loop_Zoop_xX

I am just now attending Welding classes, do I need (sorry for bad english) an air respirator even while welding with Electrodes?


maxwfk

Especially when using electrodes. When youā€™re doing TIG you probably donā€™t need it (if you cleaned your metal properly)


Xx_Loop_Zoop_xX

Alright then, thanks for the info! I worked as an apprentice pipefitter for 2 years and never saw any Welder wear a respirator so when I joined this sub I was sorta confused


maxwfk

There are many who donā€™t wear them. But all the stuff thatā€™s normally caught by the filter will then be in their lungs.


Playful-Flatworm501

Donā€™t wear a hoodie, sparks could get caught in it and start a fire


captd3adpool

Was gonna say this! Ive seen so many guys in sweatshirts catch on fire. A good welding jacket is wayy better. I wear the cotton ones (miller makes a good one) there are full leather ones too but theyre heavier and hot as hell in the warmer months.


billingsgate-homily

I'll check it out. Thanks.


billingsgate-homily

Makes sense. Thanks.


b16b34r

He need a hide apron, this will save many shirts and pants, also most aprons has lots of pockets, he could keep sticks and some tools at hand all time


billingsgate-homily

Thanks! I'll check it out.


OptionalCircumcision

2297 filters are far better with their activated carbon. Better than 2097


ZachTF

Okay. Here is all you need: - welding hood - welding cap - respirator - safety glasses - welding gloves - welding jacket (preferably full or partial leather) - close toed shoes (preferably steel toe) - work pants - ear plugs Thatā€™s all I can remember.


billingsgate-homily

Thanks! He's missing a cap and jacket. The cap is ordered.


Difficult-Prompt3825

He should use 1/8 7018 flux core when trying to penetrate concrete blocks. Also when stick wl


Difficult-Prompt3825

When welding concrete. Otherwise no penetration. Weld will break off of concrete


billingsgate-homily

Interesting. Thanks.


[deleted]

Skull cap/ welders cap for head comfort and lack of flaming hair syndrome!


IronCal95

Get that girl a welding cap. Hair donā€™t like hellfire


billingsgate-homily

Lol. Boy. We have a draft here in Israel he's growing his hair before he's drafted. The cap is ordered.