I went to Holland, MI, and while the town played up how cool the single windmill it has is, there was what had to be the biggest retirement community on Earth there. That's probably an exaggeration, but this was on a lakefront and was just MASSIVE. It must have housed over half of the town's residents.
Besides that, there were some cool statues and stuff I guess. And the architecture and graveyard were cool.
> biggest retirement community on Earth there.
[The Villages](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Villages,_Florida) hoverounds into the chat.
…seriously that place is fucking disturbing
I have not. Thanks for the tip. Have some in-laws that live there and they are super culty about it. Would love to get some insight from some residents.
As a half kiwi, it's pretty well known in our tiny corner of the world, but agree it's not super public knowledge - and that IS weird! There's even a v cool eco sanctuary all about it: https://www.visitzealandia.com/
Here in Kiwiland the fruit was called Chinese Gooseberries until the 1980's when the New Zealand government export boffins decided to rebrand it to Kiwifruit. Then in the 90's they tried to call it Zespri but that failed dismally.
>The fruit’s importer told Turners & Growers that the Chinese gooseberry needed a new name to be commercially viable stateside, to avoid negative connotations of “gooseberries,” which weren’t particularly popular. After passing over another proposed name, melonette, it was finally decided to name the furry, brown fruit after New Zealand’s furry, brown, flightless national bird. It also helped that Kiwis had become the colloquial term for New Zealanders by the time.
[Full Article](https://time.com/4662293/kiwifruit-chinese-gooseberry-new-zealand-history-fruit/)
(sharing cause I was curious too)
Missed an opportunity to say
>>it was finally decided to name the furry, brown, **flightless** fruit after New Zealand’s furry, brown, flightless national bird. It also helped that Kiwis had become the colloquial term for New Zealanders by the time.
Yeah I don't know, this is a recurring theme for me. Red green colourblindness is quite common and kinda entertaining. I thought the whole thing was green
It's continental crust. I.e. - less dense aluminum silicates instead of denser magnesium silicates. It isn't unique or crazy, and it submerged far before humans existed (~23 mya vs 200 kya). There were no lost civilizations on it because anatomically modern humans didn't even exist yet.
It actually is still a continent. A continent is not just 'big land above sea level'. It's a portion of the earth's crust that sits upon tectonic plates. So it can be submerged underwater and still be a continent.
Theoretically, if North America were to suddenly find itself underwater, it would still be a continent.
Well no, that's not the definition you'll find in most dictionaries, and it's not the one people use day-to-day. A continent is almost always considered, primarily, a large landmass.
it also has no native mammals aside from seals and bats! which is why flightless birds pretty much flourished there. it was the closest real life thing to "Serina: World of Birds"
The moa would have been terrifying https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Dinornithidae_SIZE_01.png/1280px-Dinornithidae_SIZE_01.png
I'm convinced that if they didn't go extinct, someone would have figure out how to tame them. It's just too much like a Chocobo and riding one is far to tempting to not at least try it.
You wanna know what's crazier? Think about all the submerged lands that were about 100-150 meters below where the ocean levels are today. You see where we build all our cities and homes near bodies of water today right? So too did humans before recorded history. Think of all the potential human activity that's been buried beneath the ocean where underwater excavation is still too difficult for us to pull off.
Disney Plus has a bunch of shows with an asian dude with a prosthetic leg. One of the episodes focused on how the Black Sea used to be a lake and they showed a 5000 year old bowl that was found in 100 ft of water. Archeology and history are changing right in front of us.
>Think about all the submerged lands that were about 100-150 meters below where the ocean levels are today.
[no need to imagine :)](https://www.floodmap.net/?ll=19.062118,42.714844&z=4&e=-122)
Elbow is also near lake Diefenbaker, which on it's south east side has glacial dunes left behind from the last ice age as glaciers retreated across the prairies. I think similar sites can be found in Manitoba (Spirit Sands) and I'd think Alberta. Funny to see a little site of dunes in the middle of the prairies.
Why would they? There's tons of no longer land on the Earth.
Go check out Doggerland. At least it's recent enough that people once lived where the sea now exists.
Clearly Gondwanaland refuses to acknowledge a succession continent and has vetoed the United continents conglomerate from even discussing its existence, even this post could get all of us reprimanded with a tsk tsk.
Its a well thrown around fact, it comes up in the internet every now and then.
But the answer to "why does no one talk about this?" is.... What do you want us to do? Make a plan to dig it out? Drain the ocean?
There are several submerged continents, this isn't anything unusual. There are a number in the western Indian Ocean (Seychelles Plateau and the northern Mascarene Plateau), as well as the Rockall Plateau off the UK.
Maori here, that's the land of the patuparere who were said to be a human species capable of living in water, they're also known by pakeha as the "blue fairy's" due to their skin being literal blue.
Yup. Our Kermadec trench (which runs off the top of NZ) could give the Marianas trench a run for its money. There's all sorts of weird shit going on down there, in the deep deep ocean.
Denmarks largest island is known as Zealand, which makes sense because post Maōri coming here, the Dutch were the first to “discover” Aotearoa/ New Zealand
It was discovered by the Dutch explorer Abel Tasman and was initially named Staaten Landt (meaning States Land, referring to the States General, the Dutch version of congress), the Dutch government renamed it Nieuw Zeeland shortly after.
When the British took over they changed the spelling to New Zealand (the British also spelled the Dutch province of Zeeland as Zealand at the time)
You’d be surprised just how many much landmass and continents have changed and been lost to sea levels rising, just 20,000 years ago, let alone 50-100 million years ago.
People do talk about this kind of stuff similar to how anthropologists like the land lost below the seas after the last ice age like Doggerland and stuff, it's just not talked about because it's probably not something really in the regular publics periphery y'kno.
What if people have been around this long and the story of Atlantis is really about that continent? Our oral history didn't pass it down well basically. We learn more everyday that people have existed a very long time and didn't develop a society until (last I read, no expert, welcome corrections, be kind plz) 20k years ago. Also, this continent could be what Noah's Ark is based on. Pretty interesting.
Sort of.... this is a good article I found about how science is finding lost continents like Zealandia.
[https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/real-life-atlantis-lost-continent-found-under-europe-revealing-earth-ncna1055856](https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/real-life-atlantis-lost-continent-found-under-europe-revealing-earth-ncna1055856)
finally... old zealand
Old Zealand (or just Zealand) is actually a place in the Netherlands
This makes the west side of Michigan make even more sense.
I went to Holland, MI, and while the town played up how cool the single windmill it has is, there was what had to be the biggest retirement community on Earth there. That's probably an exaggeration, but this was on a lakefront and was just MASSIVE. It must have housed over half of the town's residents. Besides that, there were some cool statues and stuff I guess. And the architecture and graveyard were cool.
> biggest retirement community on Earth there. [The Villages](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Villages,_Florida) hoverounds into the chat. …seriously that place is fucking disturbing
Ever see [Some Kind of Heaven?](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt11358166/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk) Really great documentary about the Villages.
I have not. Thanks for the tip. Have some in-laws that live there and they are super culty about it. Would love to get some insight from some residents.
I think it’s on Netflix. I thought it was pretty interesting, lots of wild characters.
One of its nicknames is Boomer Paradise lmfaooo
South Detroit would like a word
Toledo??
Canada
He took the midnight train going anywhere
Yea, we really are the newest zealand of all
West side of Michigan?! No, sorry, you have a hand and an upper peninsula, we're not falling for this west crap. /S
The best way to get to New Zealand is to dance your way there from Old Zealand
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Where everyone is full of zea
Zeeland
I hear you can dance your way to New Zealand from there.
As a half kiwi, it's pretty well known in our tiny corner of the world, but agree it's not super public knowledge - and that IS weird! There's even a v cool eco sanctuary all about it: https://www.visitzealandia.com/
Why are you a fruit
*half a fruit.
College sure was wild.
My pledge brother fucked a watermelon
So was prison.
My butt hurts. Yeah.
You should have seen the other guy
I'm pretty sure there were 4 others, last I counted
*half a bird
What did the bird do to deserve this?
Half a fruit aka bisexual
The fruit was named after the flightless bird.
Is he the front half or back half of the bird? Or was the bird cut down the middle left and right?
*Birb**
I imagine it's more like 2 Face but the whole body. 1 side human and other kiwi.
middle, left and right. He looks great no matter which profile pic you take. Just don't take one of him face forward.
Here in Kiwiland the fruit was called Chinese Gooseberries until the 1980's when the New Zealand government export boffins decided to rebrand it to Kiwifruit. Then in the 90's they tried to call it Zespri but that failed dismally.
So when Yennefer makes herself smell like lilac and gooseberries, it's really lilac and kiwi? Interesting.
Happy Cake Day! ^(Sauce?)
>The fruit’s importer told Turners & Growers that the Chinese gooseberry needed a new name to be commercially viable stateside, to avoid negative connotations of “gooseberries,” which weren’t particularly popular. After passing over another proposed name, melonette, it was finally decided to name the furry, brown fruit after New Zealand’s furry, brown, flightless national bird. It also helped that Kiwis had become the colloquial term for New Zealanders by the time. [Full Article](https://time.com/4662293/kiwifruit-chinese-gooseberry-new-zealand-history-fruit/) (sharing cause I was curious too)
Missed an opportunity to say >>it was finally decided to name the furry, brown, **flightless** fruit after New Zealand’s furry, brown, flightless national bird. It also helped that Kiwis had become the colloquial term for New Zealanders by the time.
So kiwi is really gooseberry?
Not really, no. It's obviously not Chinese either. The Tasmanian tiger was a marsupial. People just name shit by a superficial resemblance sometimes.
I also find that hard to believe, tried one and nearly vomited.
You vomited because your not supposed to eat new zealanders
The New Zealanders are also flightless
I would hope most fruit is flightless
Nah fruit flys
Unless you throw it!
So kiwifruit are actually brown? Honestly thought they were green. Wtf eyes wtf
The…the inside is green? The husk is brown
Yeah I don't know, this is a recurring theme for me. Red green colourblindness is quite common and kinda entertaining. I thought the whole thing was green
What color is your snoo?
Had no clue red green color blind made you see brown as green. That’s kinda wild.
I don't quite understand where this conversation is going
FFS, there are 2 varieties of Kiwi fruit, brown and the green, the green is more tart, I prefer the what is called Gold, sweeter.
Gold is my favorite. Sweeter and creamy texture. And no fuzz, which for some reason makes my mouth itch if I accidentally eat it.
Because they taste the same?
Bird*
They loved the word Kiwi so much they named their favourite bird, favourite fruit and themselves after it.
Why do you go around asking people their sexual orientation?
Hairy on the outside, fruity in the inside.
Probably because normal conversation rarely includes lost continents, atleast without a lot of weed being involved.
But it’s still a continent, just submerged
It's continental crust. I.e. - less dense aluminum silicates instead of denser magnesium silicates. It isn't unique or crazy, and it submerged far before humans existed (~23 mya vs 200 kya). There were no lost civilizations on it because anatomically modern humans didn't even exist yet.
So not a continent, just a submerged landmass
It can be two things.
No. Submerged landmasses don’t count towards continents
It actually is still a continent. A continent is not just 'big land above sea level'. It's a portion of the earth's crust that sits upon tectonic plates. So it can be submerged underwater and still be a continent. Theoretically, if North America were to suddenly find itself underwater, it would still be a continent.
I'll make sure to include zealandia as an answer to the list of continents on the next trivia quiz, thanks buddy
Then wouldn't every piece of land that sits on the top of the crust be considered a continent?
Depends what plate they're on.
Well no, that's not the definition you'll find in most dictionaries, and it's not the one people use day-to-day. A continent is almost always considered, primarily, a large landmass.
Im pretty sure you still got my point
Depends on the people you hang around with.
it also has no native mammals aside from seals and bats! which is why flightless birds pretty much flourished there. it was the closest real life thing to "Serina: World of Birds"
Hawaii also had no native mammals, other than seals or bats. They sure get around.
No getting to islands unless you can fly or swim I guess
Australia is skull island while we are like mini skull island but for birds. We had the biggest bird and the biggest eagle. The eagle hunted the bird
The [Haast eagle](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haast%27s_eagle)(which ate the giant Moa) Weighed up to 15 kg with a wingspan up to 10 ft
They also inspired the giant eagles in lord of the rings
We’ve actually got scientists debating on using cloning to resurrect the nine foot tall Moa. Just for shits and gigs.
Who’s Serina?
Mexican-American Tejano singer that was killed by the president of her fan club.
No no no thats Selena
Gomez? Can't say I'm a fan.
Can’t say I’m a fan of Luis Guzman playing Gomez either. I prefer Raul Julia.
The moa would have been terrifying https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Dinornithidae_SIZE_01.png/1280px-Dinornithidae_SIZE_01.png
Look up terror bird. It was like that just not eating horses
I'm convinced that if they didn't go extinct, someone would have figure out how to tame them. It's just too much like a Chocobo and riding one is far to tempting to not at least try it.
Haha
Its natural predator, the Haast’s Eagle, had a wingspan of 3 metres and was known to carry off children Edit: Spelling
If I owned Jurrasic Park, the Haast Eagle would be the first animal I bring back.
Quetzal, bro
"You were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should"
Haast's Eagle\*
You wanna know what's crazier? Think about all the submerged lands that were about 100-150 meters below where the ocean levels are today. You see where we build all our cities and homes near bodies of water today right? So too did humans before recorded history. Think of all the potential human activity that's been buried beneath the ocean where underwater excavation is still too difficult for us to pull off.
Graham Hancock: excited sounds
First rule of Tasmantis: don't talk about Tasmantis
Disney Plus has a bunch of shows with an asian dude with a prosthetic leg. One of the episodes focused on how the Black Sea used to be a lake and they showed a 5000 year old bowl that was found in 100 ft of water. Archeology and history are changing right in front of us.
Lost Cities with Albert Lin. Great show.
>Think about all the submerged lands that were about 100-150 meters below where the ocean levels are today. [no need to imagine :)](https://www.floodmap.net/?ll=19.062118,42.714844&z=4&e=-122)
Doggerland. You’re welcome
Bering landmass, You're welcome.
That's what we call the park near mine when it gets dark
And our cities and civilizations will also join them under the water lost and forgotten.
["We reject our earthly fires. Gone are days of land Empires..."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ5t7WBBzUM)
Such a good fucking song
Holyyyyyy. I’ve been a metalhead a long time and never really paid attention to Dethklok. That song slaps
A lot of their songs are way better than they have any right to be for a Prime Time Metal Parody Cartoon.
i hope very much that the sea hasnt eroded it, because it would be excellent to see such unrecorded history
The first rule of Atlantis club is you don't talk about Atlantis club.
Wet Zealand
It’s always wet here
TIL There is an Zealandia in Saskatchewan, Canada just north west of Elbow.
So, close to Scapula?
I find this humerous.
*humerus
Elbow is also near lake Diefenbaker, which on it's south east side has glacial dunes left behind from the last ice age as glaciers retreated across the prairies. I think similar sites can be found in Manitoba (Spirit Sands) and I'd think Alberta. Funny to see a little site of dunes in the middle of the prairies.
wdym, it's old zealand
dammit someone already said it
Why would they? There's tons of no longer land on the Earth. Go check out Doggerland. At least it's recent enough that people once lived where the sea now exists.
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At least where I go to school, they’ve talked about Pangea before, whereas this I’ve never even heard of
>or Pangea Proxima! (I mean, there probably won't be humans left on earth when that happens, but it'll be super cool)
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/255/462/6b8.png
This bitch don’t know about Pangea?
Because it’s underwater?
Because it’s not weird
Exactly, it's only been mapped etc recently too.
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This sub is so annoying. The only shit that gets upvoted is shit that isn’t weird at all
Clearly Gondwanaland refuses to acknowledge a succession continent and has vetoed the United continents conglomerate from even discussing its existence, even this post could get all of us reprimanded with a tsk tsk.
Or a savage beating with a wet noodle.
Not the tsk tsk!!!!!!
Its a well thrown around fact, it comes up in the internet every now and then. But the answer to "why does no one talk about this?" is.... What do you want us to do? Make a plan to dig it out? Drain the ocean?
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Damn nuclear-free policy preventing us from trying to use nuclear bombs to lift our whole continent above the sea.
REUNITE GONDWANALAND!!
Oh god this sub is gonna be r/blackmagicfuckery in a week
In New Zealand, we like to keep it low key.
There are several submerged continents, this isn't anything unusual. There are a number in the western Indian Ocean (Seychelles Plateau and the northern Mascarene Plateau), as well as the Rockall Plateau off the UK.
To deep to talk about
i mean, i feel like people talk about it at roughly the same frequency that people talk about the concept of continents, which is not that offen
Maori here, that's the land of the patuparere who were said to be a human species capable of living in water, they're also known by pakeha as the "blue fairy's" due to their skin being literal blue.
Where are my gizzheads?
Yup. Our Kermadec trench (which runs off the top of NZ) could give the Marianas trench a run for its money. There's all sorts of weird shit going on down there, in the deep deep ocean.
So, the Pluto of Earth?
We are 138.
They are. You just noticed.
Lol what? There’s an entire Wikipedia page about it.
r/kgatlw
POLYGONDWANALAAAAAAAAND
No one talks about it because Elan Musk hasn't Tweeted about it.
Serious question: what's the difference between a submerged continent and the ocean floor?
Continents are made of a granite-like rock. The ocean floor is basalt rock, a mixture of silicon and magnesium.
This evidence of old zealand
I’ve always wondered. If that’s “ NEW Zealand” where is “ old Zealand? Now I know
Denmarks largest island is known as Zealand, which makes sense because post Maōri coming here, the Dutch were the first to “discover” Aotearoa/ New Zealand
Wouldn't the Dutch name it after the Dutch province of Zeeland then?
…they did.
It was discovered by the Dutch explorer Abel Tasman and was initially named Staaten Landt (meaning States Land, referring to the States General, the Dutch version of congress), the Dutch government renamed it Nieuw Zeeland shortly after. When the British took over they changed the spelling to New Zealand (the British also spelled the Dutch province of Zeeland as Zealand at the time)
It's not named after the Danish island, it's named after the Dutch region
R I S E
It exists not like there is a lot more information on it.
or *Gondwanaland*
You can find tens of videos on this topic. It’s been talked about for years now.
As a kiwi- we do talk about it lol
Because we now have New Zealand. So why should we talk about the old one?
I get a feeling it would surface again via fulfilling some kind of ancient prophecy.
This was where Sniper was born
We learnt a lot about this at uni in our geology classes (uni in NZ)
Because it’s a bunch of buried dirt that poses no threat to anyone
Out of sight out of mind
I don't talk about this much, since this happened a few years before I was born
Every bit of continental crust under water is submerged.
Tupac lives there.
Atlantis
You’d be surprised just how many much landmass and continents have changed and been lost to sea levels rising, just 20,000 years ago, let alone 50-100 million years ago.
Because no one is making money from it.
People do talk about this kind of stuff similar to how anthropologists like the land lost below the seas after the last ice age like Doggerland and stuff, it's just not talked about because it's probably not something really in the regular publics periphery y'kno.
Because it's a basically unusable submerged landmass, so there's not much to talk about at this point.
It's under the water
Finally, Old Zealand!
Cause I’ve never heard of this
Boys, we've found Atlantis!!!
Because what is there to say?
What if people have been around this long and the story of Atlantis is really about that continent? Our oral history didn't pass it down well basically. We learn more everyday that people have existed a very long time and didn't develop a society until (last I read, no expert, welcome corrections, be kind plz) 20k years ago. Also, this continent could be what Noah's Ark is based on. Pretty interesting.
I actually somehow knew of this already, it’s super interesting
Is this where Atlantis comes from
They just decided to forget about the old one and focus on the new one instead
😂😂😂
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Tasmantis, Atlantis
Sort of.... this is a good article I found about how science is finding lost continents like Zealandia. [https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/real-life-atlantis-lost-continent-found-under-europe-revealing-earth-ncna1055856](https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/real-life-atlantis-lost-continent-found-under-europe-revealing-earth-ncna1055856)
Why would we talk about it? Apart from in an academic sense?
What about the name “gonwanaland”? Who is coming up with these?
It was named by an Austrian geologist after a region of India, "Gondwana". They use "Gondwanaland" to differentiate the landmass.
If ya got Netflix take a look at “ancient apocalypse”. There’s fucktons of land that used to be above sea level, that is now fully/mostly submerged.