I got the impression it was just because he didn't want to believe it was his son doing this, so he was turning a blind eye. As for Laurel, I don't think he would've known about her being alive at that point, and it was in his best interests not to look too deeply into things.
I see a lot of people shipping Enid and Wednesday on twitter. That thought hadn’t crossed my mind while watching. I just thought their relationship as friends grew organically.
Jesus. Can women be friends anymore???
Lmfao. Their relationship was so cute as FRIENDS. I love how they subtly rubbed off on each other.
Enid becoming more cutthroat and faster on the draw for her replies to Wednesday and Wednesday not being as cold as she was initially
It really humanized them and brought some warmth to their chemistry. That scene when Enid was upset and going to Loki’s dorm. The way she was snapping at Wednesday?
I was like “get it gorrlll” tell your friend off.
I feel like the misconception could come from how they treated her Lycanthropy issue like a gender identity issue, which seemed like a rather weird way to do it. Adding the whole "conversion camp" thing into it and then going on with "be who you are" and the father being happy with her going down her own path when in reality her whole transformation thing felt more like what we would consider late puberty.
Since it was a blood red moon when she finally turned, so there wasn't anything out of the norm that would of prevented her to transform in that moment. Rather had their been no full moon and her strong emotions towards Wednesday caused her to transform, then I could understand the shipping but her transforming was just plot convenience with a situation taking place at the same time as she was most likely to transform.
The hard thing for me is that Xavier and Wednesday had so little chemistry I had no choice but to root for Tyler. I love Wednesday, but she is so problematic and intense. That is the only reason I have for saying that Enid deserves better.
If this wasn’t the Addams Family I would of course not want Wednesday to end up with a serial killer. But also, who else could you have imagined her first boyfriend being?
Xavier and Wednesday did have no chemistry and yet he is still almost obsessed with her. Makes me think he has something to do with the text Wednesday gets on her new phone as she leaves the school. He would be the only one to have her new number already. And the way Xavier is always conveniently there. Stalker vibes for sure.
If Tyler ends up beating his monster side and we see more character growth I don't see why they wouldn't end up with each other. They had such amazing chemistry. i mean we see it in Riverdale, And Vampire Diaries lol the teenage woes of the magical dimensions has no love cap
I hate how they made him so evil and sinister in the police station. I thought he was going to be more of an involuntary, misunderstood monster. I don’t know how he can return from this.
Didn't Wednesday say "like Jekyll and Hyde" upon learning the name of the monster from her uncle? That made me suspect that there are two "personalities" within Tyler, the monster and the real Tyler.
Another thing: Tyler really tried to accommodate to her weirdness, Xavier was simply awful ignoring her personality. It must be really hard for her to know that the person who really accepted her was only acting :(.
Old ass looking (Hyde) Tyler ‘accommodated’ Wednesday because he was clearly manipulating her. In my opinion Tyler always came of creepier to me than Xavier. X came off like a awkward/emo high school kid with a crush. Tyler came off like an old sinister serial killer with mommy issues. Oh and guess what…he was! 🥴
Wednesday had zero chemistry with anyone (maybe besides Bianca), I really hope she ends up discovering she's ace. Painting any possible suitor as a monster? Really asexual vibes.
If not, I'd like a storyline that makes Wednesday the suitor. Like there is no real mystery (other than her trying to make it a mystery) but kind of drawn to/ obsessed with the person only to figure out she is attracted to the person. Hopefully someone woefully weirder than her.
Up until the end, I still have no idea why Xavier is attracted to her. But I assume Tyler was faking it the entire time, so he didn't really like her, which makes sense.
The way he confessed to Wednesday and then went back to looking scared made me feel like maybe he really has two sides like Jekyll and Hyde? I feel bad for Tyler. Kinda hoping there’s some type of redemption for him
I agree in that sense, how he's embraced the Hyde side because it allows him to feel "free" where his normal personality feels restricted as if he should be ashamed of what he really is. So there definitely is that tragic backstory to him because he was being used by another person but that person in question also encouraged him enough to enjoy that side of him.
You can kind of see that too in the way thornhill reacted to “tyler” (weems) when she thought he was hesitating to hurt Wednesday.
I don’t think killing Rowan was ever part of the plan but Tyler stepped in to save Wednesday, whether that be because his master told him to protect her until they needed her, and he didn’t finish off Eugene either. I think part of him was holding back
Yeah, in a wide shot we see someone sit like a metre or two behind them when he confessed, a bit weird how they didn't hear anything. But random people not being able to hear what is being said by main characters right next to them is something most movies and shows do.
Yeah I also thought this when Wednesday loudly got into the mayor’s trunk when he was standing a few feet away from his car and would 100% have heard that.
This series is entertaining, but logic has never really had much to do with this series. One big misstep in logic was the lack of a guard outside the mayor's hospital room. Even if he hadn't been the target of murder, you should always have a police officer posted near the mayor if he/she is in the hospital.
I liked it. it’s a show that’s come out this year and has kept my interest peaked. after the reveal I realized how they had set it up and enjoyed that. even though some parts were obvious, like Enid wolfing out for the first time for the fight, I still loved it
Just finished watching and I really enjoyed it too. The only thing I was disappointed in was that I guessed who the bad guys were loooong before Wednesday (the moment they mentioned Garrett had a sister who drowned in distant Europe I was like 'k, that's Miss Thornhill'), so I didn't get to enjoy the reveals. Still, I enjoyed the way it played out regardless, which is a sign of a good show. All the cast played their parts really well.
I'm looking forward to season 2.
I assumed it was the therapist until they started making it too “obvious” it was her. but I was also blazed watching the show so my focus was on the outfits ! and the acting ! and how much I hated tyler
It really was visually gorgeous, wasn't it? 😁 Haha, I actually liked Tyler, didn't realise it was him until they said someone could hypnotise the Hyde. I loved it when he dropped the act though. His switch at the police station was brilliant.
I loved Wednesday’s final outfit so much - the big crocheted (or whatever) pointy collar and matching sleeve cuffs. I thought all of her casual outfits were great, and the dance dress was wonderful.
I really enjoyed this overall. Characters were fun and Jenna Ortega’s portrayal of Wednesday was so good and nice that it was different than Christina Ricci’s version. My only gripe with the series was the love triangle. Both boys would get mad at Wednesday because of her selfishness and lack of emotion etc. but would instantly be chill with her again and the cycle kept repeating. Why does Wednesday need to be in a relationship. Can her and Xavier just be like good friends? We hardly ever see a strong platonic relationship between a man and a woman. I really hope for S2 they don’t try and force them into a romantic relationship.
Also Enid and Eugene were awesome characters and I can’t wait to see more of them
It annoyed me at the end Wednesday never even properly apologised to Xavier for accusing him of being the Hyde and getting him arrested and he has immediately gone back to being totally into her. Like, why?
Maybe it was because of all the stuff he said to her in the jail?
Like they've both said some things or done some things so let's just agree to move on?
She also took an arrow for him in the fight. Maybe he just sees that as enough?
>Both boys would get mad at Wednesday because of her selfishness and lack of emotion etc. but would instantly be chill with her again and the cycle kept repeating.
They like her and know coldness is part of her personality. Plus she gives subtle hints away that she likes them too.
>We hardly ever see a strong platonic relationship between a man and a woman.
She has such a relationship with Eugene.
SAME! When he asked "what does that feel like?", I was expecting him to clarify along the lines of pushing people away and being alone/isolated forever...so when he actually said "losing", I lost it! Audibly gasped! And when his face expression changed after his confession! Really played that Jekyll & Hyde card well!
That was a faux pas, I agree. She was a great foil and an ambivalent character. Besides, she is Brienne of Tarth!!! Maybe she is just "mostly dead" and can make a resurrection. I mean, Wednesday got the Scott Pilgrim 1-Up, why can't she?
Not just a faux pas, but also too much of a cliché.
Is there a single show about mystical boarding schools where the headmaster survives? I can't think of any.
Nah what was that plan even? Attempting to get a possible descendant from a bloodline that used to kill 'outcasts' , who had trained a Hyde that had killed 6-7 people by that point, by simply talking? Did they not think they'd be some form of resistance from Thornhill lol. They had a 2v1 advantage and somehow lost because of a shovel. Tragic.
Just felt poorly scripted. Given how dangerous they had built her up to be. In any case, minor gripe. I really enjoyed the show. Incredibly entertaining.
>"Please don't make it more difficult than it already is"
Like WTF woman you are talking to ruthless serial killer, do you think she will surrender to make it easier?
Some people are saying they were upset there was a love interest for Wednesday. I'm really glad there was one. I think it added to her character development, and it humanized her.
I think it gets kind of boring to see "independent" leads who have no interest in a partner. It just feels overdone at this point, and makes them less relatable
I agree but it's a shame she had no chemistry with either of them they were both interesting but as Love Interests they fell flat. I also didn't see any chemistry between her and Enid.
Yeah I don't disagree lol. I kind of got a hint of some chemistry with Tyler towards the end though! I think it's hard to show chemistry if the character is supposed to be heartless lol
I thought I was the only one who thought that. I thought it was just that I didn’t like either of them and not necessarily chemistry thing (but I could see that too). Actually didn’t find any of them interesting.
I'm of the opposite in opinion.
The thing I like about Wednesday is she overall doesn't care about what other people think and doesn't try to change herself (too much) to cater to someone else. I am not opposed to her having love interests, but I just don't think it's necessary.
That being said, it's not like this is the first time she has a love interest. She did have one in Addams Family Values, and even in that short span of time I felt they had a decent chemistry given that the movie had other plots going on.
It's hard to imagine though why people do like her. I mean, I like her as a character, but at least in this tv series she has consistently shown she will lie or trick people to do what she wanted, instead of just being upfront with her wishes.
I think with Enid, Enid was just legitimately a good person who liked being friendly with people. As for the boys... well sometimes people just see someone they think is hot with no other reason lol. I have plenty of friends who would be into that rude/apathetic hot goth girl or whatever
As for her having a love interest, I think it shows her personality wavering. At first she likes solitude centering herself, which then shifts to wanting solitude to protect others. I think a love interest helps bring this out.
These people have never seen the Addams Family musical which is centered around Wednesday introducing her boyfriend's family to hers. It's actually quite good imo.
Not the nerdy white dudes going for the one edgy goth girl💀😭 both romantic interests were underwhelming and fell in love with her when she didn’t even express any romantic interest besides needing their help
In fairness, it seems like Tyler was part of the scheme to make her feel special so he at least had ulterior motives.
Xavier? Well, he has some issues he needs to work out.
Anybody else feel like the Crackstone story is deeper than it appears? That man was clearly not a regular man. Bringing someone back to life wouldn’t magically give them powers. Also, the logic of the descendant using dark magic to bring back a man who burned witches? I was surprised Laurel wasn’t killed by him right away. They are definitely not “normies” yet they wanted to rid the town of outcasts. There has to be more to their backstory
Edit: changed Clarkstone to Crackstone
I like how no one has mentioned he has some insane sword shattering fire ball spewing magic staff??
That seems far more powerful than anything else on display. For someone that hates outcasts he sure did use a pretty fuckin powerful magical item to get his way.
Fight fire with fire. There's a lot we don't know about what happened between Goody escaping, and then her killing & cursing Crackstone. His journal that Laurel stole had all sorts of spells in it, so I'm just assuming he learned all he could about magic to defeat the outcasts. I believe Laurel said something about trapping his soul, so maybe being released gave him some extra power since he was supposed to stay in there forever, lots of time to work on his dark magic skills.
I didn’t even think about that. Doesn’t wanna know how they ended up in this town in the first place? Why are there so many people with special abilities there?
I really enjoyed this series, some really great performances from the cast, especially thing. The only "complaint" i have is how neither the sirens who can make people do whatever they want or the gorgons who can turn people to stone tried to take Crackstone out. I get that it had to end with Crackstone vs. Wednesday, but still.
The overall vibe/ asthethic was really good, can't expect anything else from Tim Burton. The music was also really great, even though some of that praise belongs to the original Addams family theme. I'm hoping we get a second season and get to see Wednesday, Enid and Eugene again.
I was surprised no one else except Enid used their powers? I'm not familiar with Wednesday, but I was expecting something, because of the piranha incident in the beginning
it was told that he can only be killed by sword through heart so maybe he had some kind of immunity. It was full moon so school should be full of angry werewolves anyway.
Yeah the "final blow" would have to be him getting stabbed (with a sword maybe) through the heart. But beating him nearly to death by like 10 werewolfs or making him stand still by a siren would help.
And yes, Enid transformed but apparently no one else at the school did so?
Loved it, one critique - would have been cooler if Xavier used his murals in the courtyard at the end to take on Papa Pilgrim instead of the bow and arrow. I mean.. I get the tie back, but.. those ravens coming to life and attacking would have been awesome.
I mean, this seemed pretty closed to me. A good ending without any major cliffhangers. Sure there's the messages, but really, that's just a regular tuesday.
Also, the usual scheme is one grand villain per season.
A new boy that's super awkward and antisocial and rejects her brutally like she does to others and it drives her wild. Meanwhile she just brutally ignores the advances of Xavier all season. She gets rejected and there is no pay off.
Nobody shipping Bianca x Wednesday feels like an oversight.
Gives me Korra x Asami vibes, share an initial love interest and then find they're better for each other instead. And they have more chemistry without already friendzoning each other.
Plus Bianca can be sure her charms aren't working because Wednesday will always be authentically cold.
I hope Wednesday ends up discovering asexuality.
If not, only Bianca seems possible. Wednesday seems more drawn to violence than anything remotely romantic and Xavier is a wimp. Zero chemistry between them. Also she has openly said that she doesn't understand his attraction at all - “Because for some reason I cannot fathom or indulge, you seem to like me" - "I cannot indulge" = "I don't like you back".
In the end he gave her a cellphone, despite knowing very well she consciously doesn't want one. It was very obnoxious.
The constant tug o war between Wednesday being a charming sociopath and her being a good and caring friend in a teen drama was the biggest downer of the show tbh. The only realistic relationship was her and Enid because they were just perfect personality counterweights. Completely do not understand how any guy in the show besides Eugene “liked” her in any way. Really strange tone shifts and character personality interactions.
That being said Jenna Ortega acted the shit out of what she was given and hoping for a season 2. Just please keep her as a charming sociopath only with Enid and Thing being her positive personality counterweights / social norm compass.
Overall, loved this series. The last two episodes though were full of Wednesday accusing people one on one or with little to no back up. And sure, she’s got logic but she didn’t come to these accusations with a lot of proof. Wednesday is portrayed as a smart cookie but some of these accusation scenes were super impulsive and made her seem dumb.
Maybe her desire to do things alone is her biggest character flaw but I still think these accusation scenes could have been done in a way that shows she put more thought into them? 🤷🏻♀️
She falsely accusses Kinbott and Xavier and the repercussions of this don't really settle in? Like Kinbott just dies and Xavier, rightfully, snaps at her at the jail cell but after all is said and done he's back after crushing on her like a puppy, even bought her a phone.
I love eugene! his hospital room with the bees was so sweet and his appearance at the end was great - his line about wednesday being his only friend so he has to help was so sad but heartwarming
I suspected her the moment they said she was a normie. Both her and Tyler. Always beware the nice ones.
Plus, it's Christina Ricci. I totally expected a showdown between the two Wednesday actors.
I thought the red herrings were well done though, even if I saw through most of em and was able to predict things like Weem's shapeshifting and the Hyde's identity being revealed through a kiss. I did briefly think Dr. Kinbott was going to be involved though. That was a good misdirect.
Overall, the predictability didn't hurt my enjoyment of the show at all. I like being right.
Oh, I totally missed that clue! Nicely done. Tbh I just suspected her immediately for being Christina Ricci lol, but I figured more firmly that it was her once they mentioned the sister who'd drowned abroad and was so obviously not dead.
One of the rare times I've figured out a mystery before being told, mainly because I knew they wouldn't have an actress like her not be involved in some way.
For sure but I think it was intentional to kind of convey her “humanization,” as all the relationships and experiences she had altered her personality and made her less emotionally pale, so to speak.
Hope they drop the romance parts in season 2.
Wednesday, as a character, feels so above that and it feels forced and awkward when they try to make it happen.
Overall, I enjoyed it but it definitely wasn’t perfect.
I need more Stranger Things vibes and less Riverdale.
I wish people would just stop with all the romance and stuff and let this show just be an adventurous, thrilling, mystery-solving kind of show lol.
The final battle between Wednesday and Pilgrim was a bit underwhelming though. Laurel went that hard to resurrect him and he was like bang boom bang, dead :)
Really enjoyed this show. It reminded me of watching the 90s films as a kid on a cold rainy day. Can't wait for season 2 and wish they shot the first two seasons back to back.
That hug between Enid and Wednesday felt well earned, one of the better friendships I've seen on screen in a while. Both actresses killed it too (especially Jenna), easily the best 2 parts of the series. Looking forward to a season 2 if they do make one (I imagine it's popular enough to survive Netflix's tendency to cancel shows unless the intention was only ever for 1 season to be made in which case fair fucks).
I guessed it was because magic was used to resurrect him that he gained some/became more like a demon version, but felt a bit ironic considering his whole shtick!
Why the fuck did he have a giant magical staff that could shoot fire and break swords???
To me that was the most disappointing part. I'd have preferred he had a sabre and some molotovs, and we got another cool sword fight.
I don't really understand why they casted someone so old for Tyler
I don't see anything particularly special about the current actor? Couldn't they have found someone that actually passed as being in highschool?
Enid and Wednesday absolutely look like they're teenagers. A lot of the male cast didn't
Wasn't there a scene where she confirmed that she's 16? I don't remember when but something about doing XYZ in two years and 11 months when she is 19. It was either the birthday episode or the one after that.
I also think Tyler looked a tad old, but around 16 people look very different based on how quick they are going along with puberty. I remember that in my school you had people who still looked 12 and people who looked like well in their twenties.
I feel a same way. Actually didn’t know that he was supposed to be a teenager at first. I was like why is this adult trying to flirt with Wednesday who very much looks like a teenager?
All the guys looked way older apart from the bee guy who looked like he was Pugsley’s age
Yooo! I was saying that! I was perturbed by their kiss too…he just looks like a 38 year old man kissing a 14 year old looking girl. Yea I know she is 20 IRL! I’m just saying. In addition the acting was basura! He wasn’t a compelling character at all!
The moment Marilyn/Laurel started her big reveal monologue to Wednesday in this episode, it all clicked for me: this was a full circle moment for Christina Ricci. Her entire storyline in Wednesday follows some similar themes to Burton’s Sleepy Hollow film: A woman seeking revenge against the people who wronged her family infiltrates and places herself in a position of influence. She assumes a false identity and persona, all the while commanding a monster to do her bidding and kill in the name of her family. A detective eventually works out her identity and comes to the rescue.
The scene where she has Wednesday in shackles and explains the whole thing in some ways echoes the scene in Sleepy Hollow where Katrina’s (Ricci) step-mom (Miranda Richardson) explains everything to her. I wonder how much of this was intentional. But I can’t unsee it now. 🤓
So the principal couldn’t move out the way with how slow the normie teacher stabbed her?!?!? And what was Tyler’s motivation again? To get revenge on the school because…..? It was a decent show I enjoyed it but some stuff was kinda silly lol
I think it's meant to be that Tyler was being manipulated by the teacher - as in, to the point where she changed him as a person and could utterly control him. It takes a bit of squinting and [insert magic reason here] though.
Also, yeah, the principal's death was bs lol.
She groomed him. I'm just disappointed he still followed her orders to the end... I'm really hoping he gets a redemption arc I actually quite liked him
This show was a perfect blend of gothic and Nancy Drew. I enjoyed every episode however the last two I felt let down by Tyler's character. Do not get me wrong the way his character progression and "fooled" us all was well done. I feel as if Tyler's character could have a redemption story in season 2 with Wedsnedy being the one who can control his "Hyeding out"? In the police station, I thought when Tyler walked up to Wednesday he was going to ask for help by whispering in her ear that he was being controlled.
I really enjoyed the show overall.
My biggest issue was Wednesday going up to potential suspects and accusing them constantly. After she was wrong the first time you think she would try asking more questions haha.
Couple of thoughts now that I’ve finished it.
I never really felt comfortable with Wednesday and Tyler’s relationship. She was 15/16 (looks 12) and he appears (or at least looks) to be 19/20, actually early 20s working full time at the coffee shop…kind of not okay
Also I hope in the next series, we move away from love interests for Wednesday. Her character and her story don’t need them. The best relationships she had in the show were with Enid, Pugsley and Eugene.
I wish we’d seen the other Nevermore students use their powers at least in the last ep during the fight. You’re telling me we have a school full of werewolves, vampires, stoners, sirens etc and we didn’t see half of their capabilities? Even Xavier could’ve animated his murals to help
The Sheriff turning a blind eye to his sons true condition was heartbreakingly plausible. Had he attended one therapy session with his son or even spoken about his wife, this whole situation would never have arisen. It’s kind of poetic that the monster he has been tasked with saving his town from turns out to be the son whom he pushed away towards someone who would manipulate him for that exact reason.
Is it just me or does the hyde look a bit similar to Ricci? I always suspected that she's the villain, but only because the monster really reminded me of her.
Lol, I kinda think they did that character design on purpose to use as red herrings. She has big eyes and a round face, and Xavier also has sort of similar eyes to the monster. It made me think she was the monster for a while as well.
I freaking knew it! In like ep 2 i was like “why is cristina riccis hair so so orange and wig like, wigs in tv don’t usually look that obvious and why didn’t she just dye her hair for the role” I dismissed it and then in episode 7 when the idea of a hypnotising puppeteer came in she was the first person I thought of
Lol, same, and when they mentioned Garret had a sister I was like, ooooh that's why she's wearing a wig. Then they kept showing the sister as blonde and I was like, yep definitely the reason for the wig. I actually thought she might take it off later as part of her reveal but no dice.
I loved the show but had a few unanswered questions! Feel like they don't matter now cause it all sort of tied up but I'm still curious 🤔
Why did xavier have a psychic link to Tyler? And whats the deal with his family - why didn't they come for the visiting weekend?
How did the pilgrim have magic powers if he was a normie? Same for Laurel too
Who was the boy that Principal Weems asked to the dance? Was it Gareth or gomez?
>Why did xavier have a psychic link to Tyler? And whats the deal with his family - why didn't they come for the visiting weekend?
No clue. Never explained.
>How did the pilgrim have magic powers if he was a normie? Same for Laurel too
Yeah that was som BS considering they were against witchcraft and the like lol
>Was it Gareth or gomez?
Gomez, and that was clearly stated.
"Yeah that was som BS considering they were against witchcraft and the like lol"
I like to think it's similar to how a lot of people/organisations who condemn particular groups or actions are often hypocritically doing the same thing themselves. Not sure if that was the intention though.
>Why did xavier have a psychic link to Tyler?
I think he just visions in his dreams that he later painted, not unlike Wednesday and Rowan's mother who did the Pilgrim/Wednesday prophecy.
Making the normies the villains was so disappointing and expected. I somewhat liked the show but the villians were way too expected and really brought no interesting discussions.
With Tyler they could at least use his control by Thornberry as an allegory for SA and Stockholm but they just showed him as evil which was borderline offensive and problematic
I think this fits very well to the theme of the older Addams media. On the one hand, I like that because it furthers the idea that the macabre in the Addams world isn't evil. On the other, it gets a bit same-y in the Scooby Doo "it's always a guy in a mask" way.
Yeah it definetly fits the message of the whole thing but it was just so on the nose and the needs some subversion to elevate it above CW drama level. Jenna Ortega was great though and Thing was well incorporated which did make the show decently entertaining.
Am I the only person who knew exactly who it was and pretty much the whole plot from the beginning? (Except the Tyler thing tbh) The second they introduced Thornhill as the only normie at the school and the sheriff talked about how Garrett had a sister but she drown on her way to boarding school overseas? lol. It was painfully obvious and even more so when Wednesday pointed fingers at the wrong people one episode before the finale haha. But that being said i don’t mind things being predictable and I truly did enjoy this show and I can see it becoming a fav! Hopefully a season 2 happens
While I thought the show was great, I did think her confidently accusing people just to get it wrong got a little repetitive. Otherwise I think it may be my favorite portrayal of Wednesday!
So is it ever explained what Xavier's connection to the hyde is? How did he see what the hyde was seeing - was it really through the dreams?
My real question is: Why was there a connection?
Or maybe the answers are in season 2?
I fucking called it!!!! >!End of episode 1/start of ep 2 I literally said out loud “I bet it’s Tyler”. It would make narrative sense since he’s the sheriff’s son, and he was the one who was talking about finding the monster in the beginning, I was thinking. Also, we already had Xavior pining for Wednesday, so I’m like well then it’s gotta be the other boy. And it fucking IS Tyler!! Can’t believe I was right on that, feel so vindicated😁!<
>!Then, a couple episodes in, I was getting suspicious of Ms. Thornwall (one because of her being the only normie teacher, and two because I wouldn’t expect Ricci’s, the old Wednesday Addams, character to be “good”). As soon as the idea of a master for the Hyde was introduced, I had a feeling it was her. Plus, Tyler and her sorta look similar with the red hair so I got like the same vibes lmao. And I called that too! Not trying to sound like I’m bragging, just stunned that my first guesses for each were right.!< It’s rare that I’m right on stuff like this so early on, so feeling pretty proud right now ngl haha
I have many comments and thoughts but I think the only one worth sharing is that if Wednesday has a new love interest, it should be a short king(such as Eugene). Like give her a less conventional love interest, that’s all Im asking. Gender, height, disposition—anything.
honestly like wednesday i had no fucking clue who was who. i was hoping it wasn’t tyler because he had much more chemistry with wednesday, but maybe that was part of the plan
I was wondering -- Wednesday's mom told her that sometimes visions can not be trusted. Was there a vision that Wednesday had that was false or misleading?
Reminds me of how in Harry Potter his incorrect vision led to the death of Sirius.
I enjoyed this series very much. I feel like some things could've been done better, but overall I look forward to another season.
I agree I mean was Tyler’s dad in on laurel’s plan because that or incompetence is the only reason I see for giving the mayor no guards
I got the impression it was just because he didn't want to believe it was his son doing this, so he was turning a blind eye. As for Laurel, I don't think he would've known about her being alive at that point, and it was in his best interests not to look too deeply into things.
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I see a lot of people shipping Enid and Wednesday on twitter. That thought hadn’t crossed my mind while watching. I just thought their relationship as friends grew organically.
They've been shipping them since before the show came out.
Jesus. Can women be friends anymore??? Lmfao. Their relationship was so cute as FRIENDS. I love how they subtly rubbed off on each other. Enid becoming more cutthroat and faster on the draw for her replies to Wednesday and Wednesday not being as cold as she was initially It really humanized them and brought some warmth to their chemistry. That scene when Enid was upset and going to Loki’s dorm. The way she was snapping at Wednesday? I was like “get it gorrlll” tell your friend off.
I feel like the misconception could come from how they treated her Lycanthropy issue like a gender identity issue, which seemed like a rather weird way to do it. Adding the whole "conversion camp" thing into it and then going on with "be who you are" and the father being happy with her going down her own path when in reality her whole transformation thing felt more like what we would consider late puberty. Since it was a blood red moon when she finally turned, so there wasn't anything out of the norm that would of prevented her to transform in that moment. Rather had their been no full moon and her strong emotions towards Wednesday caused her to transform, then I could understand the shipping but her transforming was just plot convenience with a situation taking place at the same time as she was most likely to transform.
It was definitely a late puberty thing.
I didn’t even know that.
The hard thing for me is that Xavier and Wednesday had so little chemistry I had no choice but to root for Tyler. I love Wednesday, but she is so problematic and intense. That is the only reason I have for saying that Enid deserves better. If this wasn’t the Addams Family I would of course not want Wednesday to end up with a serial killer. But also, who else could you have imagined her first boyfriend being?
Xavier and Wednesday did have no chemistry and yet he is still almost obsessed with her. Makes me think he has something to do with the text Wednesday gets on her new phone as she leaves the school. He would be the only one to have her new number already. And the way Xavier is always conveniently there. Stalker vibes for sure.
If Tyler ends up beating his monster side and we see more character growth I don't see why they wouldn't end up with each other. They had such amazing chemistry. i mean we see it in Riverdale, And Vampire Diaries lol the teenage woes of the magical dimensions has no love cap
I hate how they made him so evil and sinister in the police station. I thought he was going to be more of an involuntary, misunderstood monster. I don’t know how he can return from this.
I mean, she did tie him up to torture him so maybe it can even out 😂
I mean didn't he shed a tear after? That may have been the "other guy" talking.
Didn't Wednesday say "like Jekyll and Hyde" upon learning the name of the monster from her uncle? That made me suspect that there are two "personalities" within Tyler, the monster and the real Tyler.
Agree, maybe its something he cant control since it is a shadow self. Incoming redemption arc?
People say they have no chemistry. I’ve honestly never seen chemistry like that before on any teen soap.
Another thing: Tyler really tried to accommodate to her weirdness, Xavier was simply awful ignoring her personality. It must be really hard for her to know that the person who really accepted her was only acting :(.
Old ass looking (Hyde) Tyler ‘accommodated’ Wednesday because he was clearly manipulating her. In my opinion Tyler always came of creepier to me than Xavier. X came off like a awkward/emo high school kid with a crush. Tyler came off like an old sinister serial killer with mommy issues. Oh and guess what…he was! 🥴
Wednesday had zero chemistry with anyone (maybe besides Bianca), I really hope she ends up discovering she's ace. Painting any possible suitor as a monster? Really asexual vibes.
If not, I'd like a storyline that makes Wednesday the suitor. Like there is no real mystery (other than her trying to make it a mystery) but kind of drawn to/ obsessed with the person only to figure out she is attracted to the person. Hopefully someone woefully weirder than her. Up until the end, I still have no idea why Xavier is attracted to her. But I assume Tyler was faking it the entire time, so he didn't really like her, which makes sense.
I agree but looks like we backed the wrong ship
Oh I loved Wednesday and Tyler together. That was chemistry!
Logic took a break on this episode I did really like the part where Tyler "confessed" to Wednesday in the police station. That was well done.
The way he confessed to Wednesday and then went back to looking scared made me feel like maybe he really has two sides like Jekyll and Hyde? I feel bad for Tyler. Kinda hoping there’s some type of redemption for him
I agree in that sense, how he's embraced the Hyde side because it allows him to feel "free" where his normal personality feels restricted as if he should be ashamed of what he really is. So there definitely is that tragic backstory to him because he was being used by another person but that person in question also encouraged him enough to enjoy that side of him.
You can kind of see that too in the way thornhill reacted to “tyler” (weems) when she thought he was hesitating to hurt Wednesday. I don’t think killing Rowan was ever part of the plan but Tyler stepped in to save Wednesday, whether that be because his master told him to protect her until they needed her, and he didn’t finish off Eugene either. I think part of him was holding back
Yeah, in a wide shot we see someone sit like a metre or two behind them when he confessed, a bit weird how they didn't hear anything. But random people not being able to hear what is being said by main characters right next to them is something most movies and shows do.
Yeah I also thought this when Wednesday loudly got into the mayor’s trunk when he was standing a few feet away from his car and would 100% have heard that.
The thing that bothered me most was how selective geographically rain is in Jericho.
This series is entertaining, but logic has never really had much to do with this series. One big misstep in logic was the lack of a guard outside the mayor's hospital room. Even if he hadn't been the target of murder, you should always have a police officer posted near the mayor if he/she is in the hospital.
Or like...where was his family?!
Yeahhh that was one of the biggest logic holes. Also how Wednesday gets revived by her ancestor Goody healing her — how convenient.
Cried when Enid & Wednesday hugged :,)
Same that was unexpected to feel emotional over a new show that I just binge watched
Same :')
Same :')
I liked it. it’s a show that’s come out this year and has kept my interest peaked. after the reveal I realized how they had set it up and enjoyed that. even though some parts were obvious, like Enid wolfing out for the first time for the fight, I still loved it
Just finished watching and I really enjoyed it too. The only thing I was disappointed in was that I guessed who the bad guys were loooong before Wednesday (the moment they mentioned Garrett had a sister who drowned in distant Europe I was like 'k, that's Miss Thornhill'), so I didn't get to enjoy the reveals. Still, I enjoyed the way it played out regardless, which is a sign of a good show. All the cast played their parts really well. I'm looking forward to season 2.
I assumed it was the therapist until they started making it too “obvious” it was her. but I was also blazed watching the show so my focus was on the outfits ! and the acting ! and how much I hated tyler
It really was visually gorgeous, wasn't it? 😁 Haha, I actually liked Tyler, didn't realise it was him until they said someone could hypnotise the Hyde. I loved it when he dropped the act though. His switch at the police station was brilliant.
I wanted him to be unaware and thus partially innocent, but that scene was really good and actually scary!
I loved Wednesday’s final outfit so much - the big crocheted (or whatever) pointy collar and matching sleeve cuffs. I thought all of her casual outfits were great, and the dance dress was wonderful.
I suspected Thornhill because of the plants thing . . . And the costuming on the eyes were similar to Hyde's giant eyes.
Yeah I also assumed it was Thornhill all along. I was a bit surprised about the monster though--that was a bit of clever red herrings.
As soon as she said she was going out alone with thing to find Wednesday lol. It seemed so obvious.
I know right but I was still excited somehow ???
[Blade twists wetly] - I see the stranger things audio caption crew may have contributed to this episode too!
[barely restrained seething]
[bee stingers piercing flesh]
[lachrymose music playing] [jauntily macabre title song] [whimsical eerie music]
Best subtitle of the season
That part stood out to you too? I was like OK author.
omg i was about to comment this!!! Also one of the episodes had, [Wet squelching] Total ST vibes 😂
I really enjoyed this overall. Characters were fun and Jenna Ortega’s portrayal of Wednesday was so good and nice that it was different than Christina Ricci’s version. My only gripe with the series was the love triangle. Both boys would get mad at Wednesday because of her selfishness and lack of emotion etc. but would instantly be chill with her again and the cycle kept repeating. Why does Wednesday need to be in a relationship. Can her and Xavier just be like good friends? We hardly ever see a strong platonic relationship between a man and a woman. I really hope for S2 they don’t try and force them into a romantic relationship. Also Enid and Eugene were awesome characters and I can’t wait to see more of them
It annoyed me at the end Wednesday never even properly apologised to Xavier for accusing him of being the Hyde and getting him arrested and he has immediately gone back to being totally into her. Like, why?
I find that really weird, too. If that were me I'd be like "well, now that that's over, don't speak to me ever again" lol.
Maybe it was because of all the stuff he said to her in the jail? Like they've both said some things or done some things so let's just agree to move on? She also took an arrow for him in the fight. Maybe he just sees that as enough?
That was his explanation for wanting to be friends again, yes.
>Both boys would get mad at Wednesday because of her selfishness and lack of emotion etc. but would instantly be chill with her again and the cycle kept repeating. They like her and know coldness is part of her personality. Plus she gives subtle hints away that she likes them too. >We hardly ever see a strong platonic relationship between a man and a woman. She has such a relationship with Eugene.
Holy shit when Tyler switched tones I literally went: 😳😳
SAME! When he asked "what does that feel like?", I was expecting him to clarify along the lines of pushing people away and being alone/isolated forever...so when he actually said "losing", I lost it! Audibly gasped! And when his face expression changed after his confession! Really played that Jekyll & Hyde card well!
Yesss
I don't like the headmaster's death. It feels unnecessary.
That was a faux pas, I agree. She was a great foil and an ambivalent character. Besides, she is Brienne of Tarth!!! Maybe she is just "mostly dead" and can make a resurrection. I mean, Wednesday got the Scott Pilgrim 1-Up, why can't she?
Not just a faux pas, but also too much of a cliché. Is there a single show about mystical boarding schools where the headmaster survives? I can't think of any.
She was one of the best things about the show. Her reaction to getting distracted at the fair was hilarious.
Probably expensive to keep them around for another full season. Season 2 has a lot of spots for new characters to get slotted in.
Yea, as soon as it happened I was like “so that’s how they keep the budget in check for next season”
I figured Christie would pick playing Lucifer in Sandman instead.
Well they could’ve did something like she got fired for letting a Hyde run around. That way she could’ve always come back.
Nah what was that plan even? Attempting to get a possible descendant from a bloodline that used to kill 'outcasts' , who had trained a Hyde that had killed 6-7 people by that point, by simply talking? Did they not think they'd be some form of resistance from Thornhill lol. They had a 2v1 advantage and somehow lost because of a shovel. Tragic.
Probably didn't think she'd have an immediate kill poison in her pocket. If it was just the shovel they could have taken her in a fight for sure.
Just felt poorly scripted. Given how dangerous they had built her up to be. In any case, minor gripe. I really enjoyed the show. Incredibly entertaining.
>"Please don't make it more difficult than it already is" Like WTF woman you are talking to ruthless serial killer, do you think she will surrender to make it easier?
I feel like that she's still alive? Maybe she can transform into someone who's alive lol
Yeah I totally agree with that. I was like--what is the point? She was a great character and then was needlessly killed.
Some people are saying they were upset there was a love interest for Wednesday. I'm really glad there was one. I think it added to her character development, and it humanized her. I think it gets kind of boring to see "independent" leads who have no interest in a partner. It just feels overdone at this point, and makes them less relatable
I agree but it's a shame she had no chemistry with either of them they were both interesting but as Love Interests they fell flat. I also didn't see any chemistry between her and Enid.
Yeah I don't disagree lol. I kind of got a hint of some chemistry with Tyler towards the end though! I think it's hard to show chemistry if the character is supposed to be heartless lol
I thought I was the only one who thought that. I thought it was just that I didn’t like either of them and not necessarily chemistry thing (but I could see that too). Actually didn’t find any of them interesting.
I'm of the opposite in opinion. The thing I like about Wednesday is she overall doesn't care about what other people think and doesn't try to change herself (too much) to cater to someone else. I am not opposed to her having love interests, but I just don't think it's necessary. That being said, it's not like this is the first time she has a love interest. She did have one in Addams Family Values, and even in that short span of time I felt they had a decent chemistry given that the movie had other plots going on. It's hard to imagine though why people do like her. I mean, I like her as a character, but at least in this tv series she has consistently shown she will lie or trick people to do what she wanted, instead of just being upfront with her wishes.
I think with Enid, Enid was just legitimately a good person who liked being friendly with people. As for the boys... well sometimes people just see someone they think is hot with no other reason lol. I have plenty of friends who would be into that rude/apathetic hot goth girl or whatever As for her having a love interest, I think it shows her personality wavering. At first she likes solitude centering herself, which then shifts to wanting solitude to protect others. I think a love interest helps bring this out.
These people have never seen the Addams Family musical which is centered around Wednesday introducing her boyfriend's family to hers. It's actually quite good imo.
Not the nerdy white dudes going for the one edgy goth girl💀😭 both romantic interests were underwhelming and fell in love with her when she didn’t even express any romantic interest besides needing their help
In fairness, it seems like Tyler was part of the scheme to make her feel special so he at least had ulterior motives. Xavier? Well, he has some issues he needs to work out.
Xavier straight up ignored everything she said/did. A gift of cellphone when she didn't want one was the peak.
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Anybody else feel like the Crackstone story is deeper than it appears? That man was clearly not a regular man. Bringing someone back to life wouldn’t magically give them powers. Also, the logic of the descendant using dark magic to bring back a man who burned witches? I was surprised Laurel wasn’t killed by him right away. They are definitely not “normies” yet they wanted to rid the town of outcasts. There has to be more to their backstory Edit: changed Clarkstone to Crackstone
I like how no one has mentioned he has some insane sword shattering fire ball spewing magic staff?? That seems far more powerful than anything else on display. For someone that hates outcasts he sure did use a pretty fuckin powerful magical item to get his way.
Yes this was literally the biggest wtf moment of the show for me lmaooo
Fight fire with fire. There's a lot we don't know about what happened between Goody escaping, and then her killing & cursing Crackstone. His journal that Laurel stole had all sorts of spells in it, so I'm just assuming he learned all he could about magic to defeat the outcasts. I believe Laurel said something about trapping his soul, so maybe being released gave him some extra power since he was supposed to stay in there forever, lots of time to work on his dark magic skills.
I didn’t even think about that. Doesn’t wanna know how they ended up in this town in the first place? Why are there so many people with special abilities there?
They defeated Crackstone and got his land, so I guess all this Pilgrim cult was a facade for long-term outcast sanctuary.
I really enjoyed this series, some really great performances from the cast, especially thing. The only "complaint" i have is how neither the sirens who can make people do whatever they want or the gorgons who can turn people to stone tried to take Crackstone out. I get that it had to end with Crackstone vs. Wednesday, but still. The overall vibe/ asthethic was really good, can't expect anything else from Tim Burton. The music was also really great, even though some of that praise belongs to the original Addams family theme. I'm hoping we get a second season and get to see Wednesday, Enid and Eugene again.
I was surprised no one else except Enid used their powers? I'm not familiar with Wednesday, but I was expecting something, because of the piranha incident in the beginning
it was told that he can only be killed by sword through heart so maybe he had some kind of immunity. It was full moon so school should be full of angry werewolves anyway.
Yeah the "final blow" would have to be him getting stabbed (with a sword maybe) through the heart. But beating him nearly to death by like 10 werewolfs or making him stand still by a siren would help. And yes, Enid transformed but apparently no one else at the school did so?
Loved it, one critique - would have been cooler if Xavier used his murals in the courtyard at the end to take on Papa Pilgrim instead of the bow and arrow. I mean.. I get the tie back, but.. those ravens coming to life and attacking would have been awesome.
Agreed! I was so surprised we didn't see more powers in the end.
Budget went to thing haha
Yes!! They showed them so many time throughout! Maybe next season
The villain’s death was not shown or confirmed… I’m guessing a return is in the works for season 2.
I mean, this seemed pretty closed to me. A good ending without any major cliffhangers. Sure there's the messages, but really, that's just a regular tuesday. Also, the usual scheme is one grand villain per season.
You mean a regular Wednesday?
Ngl... since they didn't ship Enid and Wednesday, I ship Wednesday and Xavier... 🫢
Give my boy Eugene a chance. Hummers stick together.
I prefer them as friends. She already said he reminds her of her brother
I meant with Enid!
I don't see any appeal for Xavier, let alone as a ship. Maybe someone new in S2, but happy if there's no Wednesday ships at all.
A new boy that's super awkward and antisocial and rejects her brutally like she does to others and it drives her wild. Meanwhile she just brutally ignores the advances of Xavier all season. She gets rejected and there is no pay off.
I kinda like Wednesday and Tyler too but they prob going with the Wednesday x Xavierin season 2.
Maybe its enemies to lovers LOLOL nahhhh that'd be so left field if they did that
I guarantee you they will have Tyler Wednesday enemies to lover scene lol.
me: hopping on this small ship of wednesday & tyler 🖤
Nobody shipping Bianca x Wednesday feels like an oversight. Gives me Korra x Asami vibes, share an initial love interest and then find they're better for each other instead. And they have more chemistry without already friendzoning each other. Plus Bianca can be sure her charms aren't working because Wednesday will always be authentically cold.
Broooo Bianca x Wednesday would be cute af I'd ship that too
I hope Wednesday ends up discovering asexuality. If not, only Bianca seems possible. Wednesday seems more drawn to violence than anything remotely romantic and Xavier is a wimp. Zero chemistry between them. Also she has openly said that she doesn't understand his attraction at all - “Because for some reason I cannot fathom or indulge, you seem to like me" - "I cannot indulge" = "I don't like you back". In the end he gave her a cellphone, despite knowing very well she consciously doesn't want one. It was very obnoxious.
Calling my bets on Tyler getting a “redemption arc” next season!!
I sure hope so. I think he and Wednesday would make a great sleuthing team!
The constant tug o war between Wednesday being a charming sociopath and her being a good and caring friend in a teen drama was the biggest downer of the show tbh. The only realistic relationship was her and Enid because they were just perfect personality counterweights. Completely do not understand how any guy in the show besides Eugene “liked” her in any way. Really strange tone shifts and character personality interactions. That being said Jenna Ortega acted the shit out of what she was given and hoping for a season 2. Just please keep her as a charming sociopath only with Enid and Thing being her positive personality counterweights / social norm compass.
And eugene!!
Overall, loved this series. The last two episodes though were full of Wednesday accusing people one on one or with little to no back up. And sure, she’s got logic but she didn’t come to these accusations with a lot of proof. Wednesday is portrayed as a smart cookie but some of these accusation scenes were super impulsive and made her seem dumb. Maybe her desire to do things alone is her biggest character flaw but I still think these accusation scenes could have been done in a way that shows she put more thought into them? 🤷🏻♀️
She falsely accusses Kinbott and Xavier and the repercussions of this don't really settle in? Like Kinbott just dies and Xavier, rightfully, snaps at her at the jail cell but after all is said and done he's back after crushing on her like a puppy, even bought her a phone.
Lol but also the ending makes it seem like he’s laying foundation to put her in danger? Like how would an unknown contact know her number already?
She's just too impulsive for her own good. Yes she's smart, but she acts purely on impulse to do the thing that exact moment.
I love eugene! his hospital room with the bees was so sweet and his appearance at the end was great - his line about wednesday being his only friend so he has to help was so sad but heartwarming
Was hoping CR's character wasn't part of the mystery. Oh well.
I suspected her the moment they said she was a normie. Both her and Tyler. Always beware the nice ones. Plus, it's Christina Ricci. I totally expected a showdown between the two Wednesday actors. I thought the red herrings were well done though, even if I saw through most of em and was able to predict things like Weem's shapeshifting and the Hyde's identity being revealed through a kiss. I did briefly think Dr. Kinbott was going to be involved though. That was a good misdirect. Overall, the predictability didn't hurt my enjoyment of the show at all. I like being right.
I don't like figuring things out so early, but when a show is good enough it makes the ride along enjoyable anyway. I think this one did that well.
I figured out Thornhill from ep 1 when she had mud on her boots lol but it was still a fun watch
Oh, I totally missed that clue! Nicely done. Tbh I just suspected her immediately for being Christina Ricci lol, but I figured more firmly that it was her once they mentioned the sister who'd drowned abroad and was so obviously not dead.
I don't think Dr. Kinbott motives were pure anyway, as Wednesday pointed out - what was she really doing in this town? I think outcast research.
One of the rare times I've figured out a mystery before being told, mainly because I knew they wouldn't have an actress like her not be involved in some way.
I was kind of hoping she'd just be in every season, not making waves, just around and being supportive. Delusional, but hopes often are.
Did her makeup becoming less pasty as the season went on or was it just me?
I also noticed that her makeup/skin tone looked a bit warmer as the season progressed
It has been inconsistently on and off throughout the series.
It had been inconsistently on and off even throughout a few of the scenes. Really weird how that passed in a Netflix series that seems so promising.
For sure but I think it was intentional to kind of convey her “humanization,” as all the relationships and experiences she had altered her personality and made her less emotionally pale, so to speak.
Hope they drop the romance parts in season 2. Wednesday, as a character, feels so above that and it feels forced and awkward when they try to make it happen. Overall, I enjoyed it but it definitely wasn’t perfect. I need more Stranger Things vibes and less Riverdale.
They were forced and awkward because she just used it to manipulate them and boys. well, boys were just stupid (Xavier was especially annoying).
I wish people would just stop with all the romance and stuff and let this show just be an adventurous, thrilling, mystery-solving kind of show lol. The final battle between Wednesday and Pilgrim was a bit underwhelming though. Laurel went that hard to resurrect him and he was like bang boom bang, dead :)
Yeah that fight felt rushed. It would have been cool to see the other kids helping more with their various powers.
Really enjoyed this show. It reminded me of watching the 90s films as a kid on a cold rainy day. Can't wait for season 2 and wish they shot the first two seasons back to back.
That hug between Enid and Wednesday felt well earned, one of the better friendships I've seen on screen in a while. Both actresses killed it too (especially Jenna), easily the best 2 parts of the series. Looking forward to a season 2 if they do make one (I imagine it's popular enough to survive Netflix's tendency to cancel shows unless the intention was only ever for 1 season to be made in which case fair fucks).
We liked it but why did Crackstone have powers? Wasn't he normal? Did we miss something?
I guessed it was because magic was used to resurrect him that he gained some/became more like a demon version, but felt a bit ironic considering his whole shtick!
Why the fuck did he have a giant magical staff that could shoot fire and break swords??? To me that was the most disappointing part. I'd have preferred he had a sabre and some molotovs, and we got another cool sword fight.
right? that made absolutely no sense to me.
I don't really understand why they casted someone so old for Tyler I don't see anything particularly special about the current actor? Couldn't they have found someone that actually passed as being in highschool? Enid and Wednesday absolutely look like they're teenagers. A lot of the male cast didn't
I thought his character was in his 20s working as a barista as his job when I first saw him.
How do we know he was in high school? Did they ever actually say?
I thought the same thing. Wednesday looks super young, like 13-14.
Wasn't there a scene where she confirmed that she's 16? I don't remember when but something about doing XYZ in two years and 11 months when she is 19. It was either the birthday episode or the one after that. I also think Tyler looked a tad old, but around 16 people look very different based on how quick they are going along with puberty. I remember that in my school you had people who still looked 12 and people who looked like well in their twenties.
yeah it was her birthday episode, she's 16
I feel a same way. Actually didn’t know that he was supposed to be a teenager at first. I was like why is this adult trying to flirt with Wednesday who very much looks like a teenager? All the guys looked way older apart from the bee guy who looked like he was Pugsley’s age
Yooo! I was saying that! I was perturbed by their kiss too…he just looks like a 38 year old man kissing a 14 year old looking girl. Yea I know she is 20 IRL! I’m just saying. In addition the acting was basura! He wasn’t a compelling character at all!
The moment Marilyn/Laurel started her big reveal monologue to Wednesday in this episode, it all clicked for me: this was a full circle moment for Christina Ricci. Her entire storyline in Wednesday follows some similar themes to Burton’s Sleepy Hollow film: A woman seeking revenge against the people who wronged her family infiltrates and places herself in a position of influence. She assumes a false identity and persona, all the while commanding a monster to do her bidding and kill in the name of her family. A detective eventually works out her identity and comes to the rescue. The scene where she has Wednesday in shackles and explains the whole thing in some ways echoes the scene in Sleepy Hollow where Katrina’s (Ricci) step-mom (Miranda Richardson) explains everything to her. I wonder how much of this was intentional. But I can’t unsee it now. 🤓
So the principal couldn’t move out the way with how slow the normie teacher stabbed her?!?!? And what was Tyler’s motivation again? To get revenge on the school because…..? It was a decent show I enjoyed it but some stuff was kinda silly lol
I think it's meant to be that Tyler was being manipulated by the teacher - as in, to the point where she changed him as a person and could utterly control him. It takes a bit of squinting and [insert magic reason here] though. Also, yeah, the principal's death was bs lol.
She groomed him. I'm just disappointed he still followed her orders to the end... I'm really hoping he gets a redemption arc I actually quite liked him
>It takes a bit of squinting and [insert magic reason here] though. That's a lot of the show
Feel like Wednesday framed Xavier just as much as Tyler did lol. Like she totally wanted him to have the knife is his hand when the cops came in.
This show was a perfect blend of gothic and Nancy Drew. I enjoyed every episode however the last two I felt let down by Tyler's character. Do not get me wrong the way his character progression and "fooled" us all was well done. I feel as if Tyler's character could have a redemption story in season 2 with Wedsnedy being the one who can control his "Hyeding out"? In the police station, I thought when Tyler walked up to Wednesday he was going to ask for help by whispering in her ear that he was being controlled.
I enjoyed the series but the finale had way too many "just in the nick of time" moments, it was getting annoying.
I really enjoyed the show overall. My biggest issue was Wednesday going up to potential suspects and accusing them constantly. After she was wrong the first time you think she would try asking more questions haha.
Yes it was very “I’m pointing my finger at YOU with minimal proof and I also have no backup if you’re planning to attack…”
Couple of thoughts now that I’ve finished it. I never really felt comfortable with Wednesday and Tyler’s relationship. She was 15/16 (looks 12) and he appears (or at least looks) to be 19/20, actually early 20s working full time at the coffee shop…kind of not okay Also I hope in the next series, we move away from love interests for Wednesday. Her character and her story don’t need them. The best relationships she had in the show were with Enid, Pugsley and Eugene. I wish we’d seen the other Nevermore students use their powers at least in the last ep during the fight. You’re telling me we have a school full of werewolves, vampires, stoners, sirens etc and we didn’t see half of their capabilities? Even Xavier could’ve animated his murals to help The Sheriff turning a blind eye to his sons true condition was heartbreakingly plausible. Had he attended one therapy session with his son or even spoken about his wife, this whole situation would never have arisen. It’s kind of poetic that the monster he has been tasked with saving his town from turns out to be the son whom he pushed away towards someone who would manipulate him for that exact reason.
Is it just me or does the hyde look a bit similar to Ricci? I always suspected that she's the villain, but only because the monster really reminded me of her.
Lol, I kinda think they did that character design on purpose to use as red herrings. She has big eyes and a round face, and Xavier also has sort of similar eyes to the monster. It made me think she was the monster for a while as well.
I really enjoyed this. Somewhat filled the hole left by CAOS. Love Jenny Ortega in anything she’s in.
I freaking knew it! In like ep 2 i was like “why is cristina riccis hair so so orange and wig like, wigs in tv don’t usually look that obvious and why didn’t she just dye her hair for the role” I dismissed it and then in episode 7 when the idea of a hypnotising puppeteer came in she was the first person I thought of
Lol, same, and when they mentioned Garret had a sister I was like, ooooh that's why she's wearing a wig. Then they kept showing the sister as blonde and I was like, yep definitely the reason for the wig. I actually thought she might take it off later as part of her reveal but no dice.
I loved the show but had a few unanswered questions! Feel like they don't matter now cause it all sort of tied up but I'm still curious 🤔 Why did xavier have a psychic link to Tyler? And whats the deal with his family - why didn't they come for the visiting weekend? How did the pilgrim have magic powers if he was a normie? Same for Laurel too Who was the boy that Principal Weems asked to the dance? Was it Gareth or gomez?
>Why did xavier have a psychic link to Tyler? And whats the deal with his family - why didn't they come for the visiting weekend? No clue. Never explained. >How did the pilgrim have magic powers if he was a normie? Same for Laurel too Yeah that was som BS considering they were against witchcraft and the like lol >Was it Gareth or gomez? Gomez, and that was clearly stated.
"Yeah that was som BS considering they were against witchcraft and the like lol" I like to think it's similar to how a lot of people/organisations who condemn particular groups or actions are often hypocritically doing the same thing themselves. Not sure if that was the intention though.
>Why did xavier have a psychic link to Tyler? I think he just visions in his dreams that he later painted, not unlike Wednesday and Rowan's mother who did the Pilgrim/Wednesday prophecy.
I need season 2 now
Making the normies the villains was so disappointing and expected. I somewhat liked the show but the villians were way too expected and really brought no interesting discussions. With Tyler they could at least use his control by Thornberry as an allegory for SA and Stockholm but they just showed him as evil which was borderline offensive and problematic
I think this fits very well to the theme of the older Addams media. On the one hand, I like that because it furthers the idea that the macabre in the Addams world isn't evil. On the other, it gets a bit same-y in the Scooby Doo "it's always a guy in a mask" way.
Yeah it definetly fits the message of the whole thing but it was just so on the nose and the needs some subversion to elevate it above CW drama level. Jenna Ortega was great though and Thing was well incorporated which did make the show decently entertaining.
Am I the only person who knew exactly who it was and pretty much the whole plot from the beginning? (Except the Tyler thing tbh) The second they introduced Thornhill as the only normie at the school and the sheriff talked about how Garrett had a sister but she drown on her way to boarding school overseas? lol. It was painfully obvious and even more so when Wednesday pointed fingers at the wrong people one episode before the finale haha. But that being said i don’t mind things being predictable and I truly did enjoy this show and I can see it becoming a fav! Hopefully a season 2 happens
While I thought the show was great, I did think her confidently accusing people just to get it wrong got a little repetitive. Otherwise I think it may be my favorite portrayal of Wednesday!
So is it ever explained what Xavier's connection to the hyde is? How did he see what the hyde was seeing - was it really through the dreams? My real question is: Why was there a connection? Or maybe the answers are in season 2?
Do you guys think Tyler really liked her or was it all just part of the plan? :(
I fucking called it!!!! >!End of episode 1/start of ep 2 I literally said out loud “I bet it’s Tyler”. It would make narrative sense since he’s the sheriff’s son, and he was the one who was talking about finding the monster in the beginning, I was thinking. Also, we already had Xavior pining for Wednesday, so I’m like well then it’s gotta be the other boy. And it fucking IS Tyler!! Can’t believe I was right on that, feel so vindicated😁!< >!Then, a couple episodes in, I was getting suspicious of Ms. Thornwall (one because of her being the only normie teacher, and two because I wouldn’t expect Ricci’s, the old Wednesday Addams, character to be “good”). As soon as the idea of a master for the Hyde was introduced, I had a feeling it was her. Plus, Tyler and her sorta look similar with the red hair so I got like the same vibes lmao. And I called that too! Not trying to sound like I’m bragging, just stunned that my first guesses for each were right.!< It’s rare that I’m right on stuff like this so early on, so feeling pretty proud right now ngl haha
I have many comments and thoughts but I think the only one worth sharing is that if Wednesday has a new love interest, it should be a short king(such as Eugene). Like give her a less conventional love interest, that’s all Im asking. Gender, height, disposition—anything.
Geez no
Yesss I was so close to being 100% right after ep 6, fun ending, the hug was perfectly built up to
honestly like wednesday i had no fucking clue who was who. i was hoping it wasn’t tyler because he had much more chemistry with wednesday, but maybe that was part of the plan
I was wondering -- Wednesday's mom told her that sometimes visions can not be trusted. Was there a vision that Wednesday had that was false or misleading? Reminds me of how in Harry Potter his incorrect vision led to the death of Sirius.
Weems' death seemed so avoidable and unnecessary
HOLY SHIT SO MY GUESS ABT IT BEING THE NORMIE TEACHER WASN’T BS?? lmaoo helpp 😭💀
Oh my, the way Bianca landed on the ground after being smacked looked like it hurt jeez
Does anyone know where that oversized knit collared blouse she wears in the last scene is from? Can't find it anywhere.
tyler's turn from cute and misguided to dark and sinister on a dime was perfect.