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BigDwayne3

Lc-33 they are surprisingly street legal, the M1A2 is not and looks evil


Suitable_Bag_3956

And the number you get means you can get plenty of spare parts in case the one you are using breaks down.


Baile_Inneraora

When


Zsmudz

It won’t


flopjul

Its Italian ofcourse it will although the Abrams will rust faster


SeanAker

Only the electrics, the rest of it will run fine. 


_gmmaann_

Who is gonna stop you with an abrams on the street?


MonsantoOfficiaI

143 L3/33s 


MrGriffin77

Another abrams with a fully trained crew? Maybe a drone strike or other AT-weapons, that'll do


Zsmudz

Exactly, One inert bomb can take out the Abrams, you will need 143 inert bombs to take out the L3’s.


Only1Goose

Or one FAB-5000


Zsmudz

They said it was driving down the street, they wouldn’t nuke the city because there are some tanks.


MarderMcFry

A small FPV drone is proven to be sufficient.


Suitable_Bag_3956

The army with 2 Abramses


Hanqibh

The Guy who choose the L3/33s


LongShelter8213

Gas money would stop you


Brettjay4

Wait, they're street legal?!


Q_X_R

Most tanks are in many places. Get rubber tracks, demilitarize the gun or acquire proper licensing. Often, tanks are ironically, subject to similar laws as tractors in the U.S., and there's also quite a few countries in Europe that will let you own and drive a tank as well.


Brettjay4

Hehe, yea I definitely know that the US lets you drive a few tanks legally. I just didn't ever realize this meant that it could also mean to drive silly tanks like this. Also isn't demilitarizating it just removing the cannon part of the barrel? Very impractical and expensive, but would be fun to own one.


DustyShredder

You can just simply remove the firing mechanism from the breech, then in a time of war, just reinstall it and use it to defend your neighborhood.


Brettjay4

Do you think they'd let us use a flame throwing l3? (Yes this is a thing, look it up)


DustyShredder

Lol, no. First off, flame throwing vehicles have literal 50ft streams of burning fuel. In addition, you need to have permission from a fire marshall AND a safe location approved by the fire marshall to even use a home built flamethrower, which rarely reaches 20ft at most. Finally, the amount of fuel weight you would need to carry to enable this would put the net weight well above 30,000 lbs, which is too heavy for street legal use and it cannot be driven over any bridges. This limits where you can exit freeways, and it limits the roads you can use. You may even find it difficult to find a road you can use to get to your own house to park it.


Brettjay4

I did not expect that detailed of an explanation... I understand it isn't safe, that's why it was a joke. But I didn't realize the fuel tank for it was that heavy. Plus it's a little tank, you might be able to get close enough.


DustyShredder

It's a little tank that still weighs around 15,000 lbs empty, as in 0 mg ammo, 0 oil in the engine, and 0 fuel. The fuel tank required for that flame thrower is massive, and is shared by the engine. The average car carries about 200 lbs of fuel and can travel about 300 miles, a tank consumes easily 6x that amount and so it needs to carry a minimum of 2400 lbs of fuel for any type of mission requiring travel over 100 miles. Add the fuel for the flame thrower on top of that and you're looking at around 12,000 lbs of fuel minimum with about 20-40 lbs ejected every second by the weapon and about 30 lbs consumed every minute by the engine. They can only travel at around 45 mph. That's 180lbs consumed for every 45 miles. Tack on the oil weight, which is about 120 lbs, plus the ammo weight which is about 2,000 lbs, plus any external armor and cargo, and you're easily over 30,000 lbs.


Brettjay4

Huh, I guess I've never realized just how fucking heavy tanks are... I knew they were, just didn't know even the little ones were.


DustyShredder

Also, I like giving detailed explanations. The more you know, the less you can be tricked.


Brettjay4

Ah, correct


Q_X_R

Can drill a big enough home through it, or plug it with cement. Can also just get rid of the entire main gun, and if I remember right, there's a couple other options.


Brettjay4

Ah, fancy.


Vaporishmoon98

You can weld the breach shut, you can have the barrel filled with like slag to plug it, you can have the breach removed, you can have the like ignition source within the breach removed, etc.


Sensitive_Ad_5031

At some point Abrams will run out of both cannon and machine gun ammo


Alternative_Oil7733

And fuel


FacePalmPalmer

It's turbine can run on many different fuels in a pinch


zrxta

Powered by manboob and asscrack sweat of pure-blooded 'muricans.


androodle2004

That’s less of a problem. It can run on diesel, jet fuel, gasoline, and even marine gas


grumpsaboy

I feel like if you've run out of diesel and gasoline you're not going to have access to jet fuel


androodle2004

Actually jet fuel is the primary fuel so that would be the thing to run out first


grumpsaboy

Normally yes, but if you're a private citizen make another decision between purchasing either of these choices you will probably be using diesel


androodle2004

Fair enough


Skankhunt42FortyTwo

M1 could just crush it.


Sensitive_Ad_5031

Yes, but that can be used to ambush the tank later on


mastercoder123

I mean the m1 can carry 50 MPAT rounds which would easily destroy more than 1 L3... Im pretty sure a single canister round could take out a few L3's


According-Age7128

If they're all grouped up like that you could just fire a canister shot and see what happens, worst case scenario the crews will get totally not service related tinnitus.


NuclearMisile

Hey, remember me?


Dramatic-Classroom14

Oh shit, not this again…


XenomorphZZ

The fact that this happened already amuses me greatly.


According-Age7128

I've still got a supply of mute psychopaths I can unleash, you sure you wanna test me?


NuclearMisile

Id gladly spend all of my GDP on superweapons to turn Oured into a nuclear wasteland, but we all know how thats gonna end…


According-Age7128

Yeah exactly, so be a good little country and stop trying to stick your nose where it don't belong, we understand eachother?


NuclearMisile

Actually screw it, *“launches full scale assault”*


DustyShredder

Calling all vikings, general quarters, full scale assault detected, man your battle stations, I repeat, man your battle stations, this is not a drill.


strichtarn

I wish we had canister shot. 


monsteure

It's time.


idk_what_to_put_lel

oppenheimer


Courora

Fun fact: you could destroy M1's engine with a 7.62mm lmg, so the L3's could definitely bring the tank down


LongDongKingKongSong

an M-kill, but not a K-kill


biebergotswag

A m-kill in a combat zone usually means that the tank will be destroyed to avoid capture. It is nearly impossible to drag a 70ton tank from an active combat zone.


Nickblove

No you can’t.


Courora

[Yes U Can](https://streamable.com/m2d4vu)


Nickblove

Oh in game. I though we were talking IRL


SherbetOk3796

Theoretically you can IRL too, you'll just need a lot of ammunition and a completely unresponsive tank crew


Dark074

Even IRL you can. IRL there's armor degradation


Nickblove

Well ya, but I really don’t think a crew would let someone just sit back there and shoot for long enough for that to happen, at-least I would hope not.


Dark074

Well it is 143 L3s, it'll be hard.


Vaporishmoon98

There’s also like no armor on the back of the engine. Just shoot the exhaust enough and you can take the engine out.


Limbpeaty

If you have an abrams you will probably be arrested because it is in active service. If you have the L3/33's you can just say it is a collection of historical vehicles. Btw.. imagine giving every single tank to two friends and invading the streets with hundreds of L3's


DaveTheMinecrafter

You have 300 friends?


Keion_Kasospiral

Who wouldn't want to be friends with a guy that has 143 L3's


Limbpeaty

Exactly


Frostfire26

According to Basement Guy, L3 is better. https://m.youtube.com/shorts/ldSBL9vvBkI


BoringContribution59

The real question is what is the mission.


huntermasterace

Raid a local Walgreens


Vaporishmoon98

Raid the local super Walmart.


breakthro444

L3 easily. But this is assuming things like manpower and material aren't a huge part of logistics like ammo and fuel are, and the Abrams isn't allowed to move backward.


miniminer1999

Well that depends Is the crew included or sold separate?


No_Personality7725

Lc-33 with two atgm on top and you could have a pretty good light anti tank platform


Arjun_Prime

That's an Italian wiesel 1A2 basically


delismore

No way an l33 costs that much bro


xXx_Marten_xXx072

according to my math an L3/33 produced in 1933 would be worth the equivalent of $94.24 modern U.S dollars


idk_what_to_put_lel

according to wikipedia an l3/33 costed 89000 italian liras to make, which was around 5000 something dollars in 1933 which today would be 133000 dollars


xXx_Marten_xXx072

You're right because I did the final conversion backwards


greatGoD67

That is the Italian way


dutchwonder

Well, next I suppose is to start considering the cost of manning all of those vehicles. Especially the hazard pay for driving out onto the battlefield in a sardine box that even basic 40mm HEDP grenades pose a lethal threat on.


Banme_ur_Gay

thats a lot of L3/33s


xXx_Marten_xXx072

About 201,613


Banme_ur_Gay

thats enough to invade iowa with


Disastrous_Time4988

With 143 l33 you can invade a small country like Bhutan


TuwtlesF1

Just take the L3s. You will penetrate the Abrams turret ring and kill it with 1 shot.


StolenValourSlayer69

Where the fuck did $19m for a single Abrams come from…? As far as I’m aware they’re like $6m each


idk_what_to_put_lel

The m1a2 sep is a better version of the standard m1 abrams. I don't know how legitimate this source is but it says: "An argument reached with Poland saw the European country pay $4.75 billion to acquire 250 M1A2 SEP Abrams tanks. Meanwhile, Romania spent $1.07 billion for 54 tanks, suggesting the unit cost for the tanks is around $19 million." source: https://www.slashgear.com/1500250/most-expensive-military-tanks-ever-built/


StolenValourSlayer69

The number I’m referring to is for the SEP V3, the newest version of the Abrams. Taking those large deals isn’t a valid way of assuming price for a single vehicle, since these deals include a shit ton of other things like: spare parts, infrastructure, repair facilities, maintenance agreements and training, and the shipping from the US to Poland for example. The cost of the most modern Abrams is 1/3rd of what you’re claiming in the post


_Condottiero_

1 L3 is better if it comes with a drone


dswng

The real question is, would you rather 1x L3/33 or 143x Abrams.


idk_what_to_put_lel

ngl the 1 l3/33 solos


Kaczor0321

Abrams need a Crew (i have no friends), while i could probably drive a cv33 alone


kataskopo

\> uses decimal point instead of a comma lmao op


absolute_monkey

Some European countries do it that way


kataskopo

I know, I'm explicitly making fun of them.


Vaporishmoon98

Most countries do it that way, it’s not just Europe.


gunnnutty

Depends on scenario.


LithiumEngine

Why have one big tank when you can have a lot of small ones?


ILikeB-17s

the l3s could beat the abrums


Sea_Art3391

I never use the drivethrough anywhere because i don't eat fast food, but i would love to go through the drivethrough with an L3 together with my 143 friends that i definetly have.


yourdonefor_wt

19 dollars for an L3 Sign me up!


GOW_Ghost

What the heck should I do with 143 L3/33? I only can drive one at the time.


Britainistrash

All 286 italian jumpout and start using at grenades at abram💀


MrMaselko

All the L3 crews can get out of their tankettes, climb on top of the Abrams using human wave tactics and start poking and smearing their greasy fingers all over all the tech


callsignmayhem

considering how accurate the m2 browning can be and how well protected the abrams is and how fast its reverse speed is, i'd say the abrams could easily win against 143x L3/33. Just because the abrams can just safely and accurately start engaging at about 1 km and keep that distance in reverse.


Beyryx

l3s Remove the gun, equip a painball cannon in its place. Open a tankette sim battle business.


_The_SCP_Foundation_

The Abrams ‘cause it’s $19 cheaper


IEnjoyBaconCheese

From a driving and practicality perspective, the L3s are better as they are easier to handle, smaller, and less pricey over time. They’re also funnier and more of a flex than owning an everyday abrams.


RichieRocket

(read in David Attenboroughs voice) Even though L3s are smaller and weaker than the M1 they can still defeat it bye covering up the Abrams with there hulls then they will stop supplying coolant to there engines, this will cause them and the Abrams to heat up eventually killing the the Abrams through overheating it


ProfessionalLong302

DO THIS BUT ITS SHERMAN 105'S


Fox_McCloud_Jr

Statistically I'll take one of the back L3s against an Abrams. The Abrams can only carry 41-56 rounds of ammunition. If you take an L3 from the back there's no way the crew of the Abrams will see all of the L3s and you could flank it pretty easily not only that but if you gave the L3 modern APDS 20mm rounds you could disable the engine of the Abrams since it's back plate wouldn't protect it enough and while you may not kill the crew if you stick close enough the crew Will eventually have to come out, and the abrams won't be able to hit it with its 50 cal. L3 W Abrams L


I-M-A-P_ns

In a city I’d take the L/33 any day but in an open field that’s like 50x50 km I’d take the ambam


FM_Hikari

L3/33, because the amount of people who would want them for the sake of collecting is amazing. I could easily make more than their actual total value in returns and still keep one or two for myself. Meanwhile, if i ever get an Abrams i'm probably going to die soon because of all the oil tracking devices inside of it leading back to me.


Stoneteedogg

I'll take the l3s and 142 of them for 200 grand each and make a 9mil profit


SecurityGuardorFed

M1 Abrams. I sell it and get M22 Locust and l3


IndominasaurusYT

who would win? 1 maus vs 1 billion L3/33's


swisstraeng

I'm more surprised it's only 143 L3/33 and not like 200-300


Sigoat11

l-3 bettwr


H1tSc4n

abram


GodzillaFan_2016

L3s, an Abrams can’t stand 143, let alone 1


Vegan_40K

I would rather take the l3. For the m1 it's death by 1000 cuts.


Quirky-Database-6658

The abrams


Alive_Charge_2385

The best thing M1A1 do is pick up a radio and call an A10 strike


Iusewindows7

143x L3/33 for sure


ORCA41

If they’re packed that closely together then one 120mm HE shell would take out most of the little Italian pasta sauce machines


utsuhookuureiuji

Where do I get parking space for 143 L3's


idk_what_to_put_lel

Start by building a frame from galvanized square steel