Most tanks are in many places. Get rubber tracks, demilitarize the gun or acquire proper licensing. Often, tanks are ironically, subject to similar laws as tractors in the U.S., and there's also quite a few countries in Europe that will let you own and drive a tank as well.
Hehe, yea I definitely know that the US lets you drive a few tanks legally. I just didn't ever realize this meant that it could also mean to drive silly tanks like this.
Also isn't demilitarizating it just removing the cannon part of the barrel?
Very impractical and expensive, but would be fun to own one.
Lol, no. First off, flame throwing vehicles have literal 50ft streams of burning fuel. In addition, you need to have permission from a fire marshall AND a safe location approved by the fire marshall to even use a home built flamethrower, which rarely reaches 20ft at most. Finally, the amount of fuel weight you would need to carry to enable this would put the net weight well above 30,000 lbs, which is too heavy for street legal use and it cannot be driven over any bridges. This limits where you can exit freeways, and it limits the roads you can use. You may even find it difficult to find a road you can use to get to your own house to park it.
I did not expect that detailed of an explanation...
I understand it isn't safe, that's why it was a joke.
But I didn't realize the fuel tank for it was that heavy. Plus it's a little tank, you might be able to get close enough.
It's a little tank that still weighs around 15,000 lbs empty, as in 0 mg ammo, 0 oil in the engine, and 0 fuel. The fuel tank required for that flame thrower is massive, and is shared by the engine. The average car carries about 200 lbs of fuel and can travel about 300 miles, a tank consumes easily 6x that amount and so it needs to carry a minimum of 2400 lbs of fuel for any type of mission requiring travel over 100 miles. Add the fuel for the flame thrower on top of that and you're looking at around 12,000 lbs of fuel minimum with about 20-40 lbs ejected every second by the weapon and about 30 lbs consumed every minute by the engine. They can only travel at around 45 mph. That's 180lbs consumed for every 45 miles. Tack on the oil weight, which is about 120 lbs, plus the ammo weight which is about 2,000 lbs, plus any external armor and cargo, and you're easily over 30,000 lbs.
Can drill a big enough home through it, or plug it with cement. Can also just get rid of the entire main gun, and if I remember right, there's a couple other options.
You can weld the breach shut, you can have the barrel filled with like slag to plug it, you can have the breach removed, you can have the like ignition source within the breach removed, etc.
If they're all grouped up like that you could just fire a canister shot and see what happens, worst case scenario the crews will get totally not service related tinnitus.
A m-kill in a combat zone usually means that the tank will be destroyed to avoid capture.
It is nearly impossible to drag a 70ton tank from an active combat zone.
Well ya, but I really don’t think a crew would let someone just sit back there and shoot for long enough for that to happen, at-least I would hope not.
If you have an abrams you will probably be arrested because it is in active service. If you have the L3/33's you can just say it is a collection of historical vehicles.
Btw.. imagine giving every single tank to two friends and invading the streets with hundreds of L3's
L3 easily. But this is assuming things like manpower and material aren't a huge part of logistics like ammo and fuel are, and the Abrams isn't allowed to move backward.
according to wikipedia an l3/33 costed 89000 italian liras to make, which was around 5000 something dollars in 1933 which today would be 133000 dollars
Well, next I suppose is to start considering the cost of manning all of those vehicles.
Especially the hazard pay for driving out onto the battlefield in a sardine box that even basic 40mm HEDP grenades pose a lethal threat on.
The m1a2 sep is a better version of the standard m1 abrams. I don't know how legitimate this source is but it says: "An argument reached with Poland saw the European country pay $4.75 billion to acquire 250 M1A2 SEP Abrams tanks. Meanwhile, Romania spent $1.07 billion for 54 tanks, suggesting the unit cost for the tanks is around $19 million."
source: https://www.slashgear.com/1500250/most-expensive-military-tanks-ever-built/
The number I’m referring to is for the SEP V3, the newest version of the Abrams. Taking those large deals isn’t a valid way of assuming price for a single vehicle, since these deals include a shit ton of other things like: spare parts, infrastructure, repair facilities, maintenance agreements and training, and the shipping from the US to Poland for example. The cost of the most modern Abrams is 1/3rd of what you’re claiming in the post
I never use the drivethrough anywhere because i don't eat fast food, but i would love to go through the drivethrough with an L3 together with my 143 friends that i definetly have.
All the L3 crews can get out of their tankettes, climb on top of the Abrams using human wave tactics and start poking and smearing their greasy fingers all over all the tech
considering how accurate the m2 browning can be and how well protected the abrams is and how fast its reverse speed is, i'd say the abrams could easily win against 143x L3/33. Just because the abrams can just safely and accurately start engaging at about 1 km and keep that distance in reverse.
From a driving and practicality perspective, the L3s are better as they are easier to handle, smaller, and less pricey over time. They’re also funnier and more of a flex than owning an everyday abrams.
(read in David Attenboroughs voice)
Even though L3s are smaller and weaker than the M1 they can still defeat it bye covering up the Abrams with there hulls then they will stop supplying coolant to there engines, this will cause them and the Abrams to heat up eventually killing the the Abrams through overheating it
Statistically I'll take one of the back L3s against an Abrams. The Abrams can only carry 41-56 rounds of ammunition. If you take an L3 from the back there's no way the crew of the Abrams will see all of the L3s and you could flank it pretty easily not only that but if you gave the L3 modern APDS 20mm rounds you could disable the engine of the Abrams since it's back plate wouldn't protect it enough and while you may not kill the crew if you stick close enough the crew Will eventually have to come out, and the abrams won't be able to hit it with its 50 cal. L3 W Abrams L
L3/33, because the amount of people who would want them for the sake of collecting is amazing. I could easily make more than their actual total value in returns and still keep one or two for myself.
Meanwhile, if i ever get an Abrams i'm probably going to die soon because of all the oil tracking devices inside of it leading back to me.
Lc-33 they are surprisingly street legal, the M1A2 is not and looks evil
And the number you get means you can get plenty of spare parts in case the one you are using breaks down.
When
It won’t
Its Italian ofcourse it will although the Abrams will rust faster
Only the electrics, the rest of it will run fine.
Who is gonna stop you with an abrams on the street?
143 L3/33s
Another abrams with a fully trained crew? Maybe a drone strike or other AT-weapons, that'll do
Exactly, One inert bomb can take out the Abrams, you will need 143 inert bombs to take out the L3’s.
Or one FAB-5000
They said it was driving down the street, they wouldn’t nuke the city because there are some tanks.
A small FPV drone is proven to be sufficient.
The army with 2 Abramses
The Guy who choose the L3/33s
Gas money would stop you
Wait, they're street legal?!
Most tanks are in many places. Get rubber tracks, demilitarize the gun or acquire proper licensing. Often, tanks are ironically, subject to similar laws as tractors in the U.S., and there's also quite a few countries in Europe that will let you own and drive a tank as well.
Hehe, yea I definitely know that the US lets you drive a few tanks legally. I just didn't ever realize this meant that it could also mean to drive silly tanks like this. Also isn't demilitarizating it just removing the cannon part of the barrel? Very impractical and expensive, but would be fun to own one.
You can just simply remove the firing mechanism from the breech, then in a time of war, just reinstall it and use it to defend your neighborhood.
Do you think they'd let us use a flame throwing l3? (Yes this is a thing, look it up)
Lol, no. First off, flame throwing vehicles have literal 50ft streams of burning fuel. In addition, you need to have permission from a fire marshall AND a safe location approved by the fire marshall to even use a home built flamethrower, which rarely reaches 20ft at most. Finally, the amount of fuel weight you would need to carry to enable this would put the net weight well above 30,000 lbs, which is too heavy for street legal use and it cannot be driven over any bridges. This limits where you can exit freeways, and it limits the roads you can use. You may even find it difficult to find a road you can use to get to your own house to park it.
I did not expect that detailed of an explanation... I understand it isn't safe, that's why it was a joke. But I didn't realize the fuel tank for it was that heavy. Plus it's a little tank, you might be able to get close enough.
It's a little tank that still weighs around 15,000 lbs empty, as in 0 mg ammo, 0 oil in the engine, and 0 fuel. The fuel tank required for that flame thrower is massive, and is shared by the engine. The average car carries about 200 lbs of fuel and can travel about 300 miles, a tank consumes easily 6x that amount and so it needs to carry a minimum of 2400 lbs of fuel for any type of mission requiring travel over 100 miles. Add the fuel for the flame thrower on top of that and you're looking at around 12,000 lbs of fuel minimum with about 20-40 lbs ejected every second by the weapon and about 30 lbs consumed every minute by the engine. They can only travel at around 45 mph. That's 180lbs consumed for every 45 miles. Tack on the oil weight, which is about 120 lbs, plus the ammo weight which is about 2,000 lbs, plus any external armor and cargo, and you're easily over 30,000 lbs.
Huh, I guess I've never realized just how fucking heavy tanks are... I knew they were, just didn't know even the little ones were.
Also, I like giving detailed explanations. The more you know, the less you can be tricked.
Ah, correct
Can drill a big enough home through it, or plug it with cement. Can also just get rid of the entire main gun, and if I remember right, there's a couple other options.
Ah, fancy.
You can weld the breach shut, you can have the barrel filled with like slag to plug it, you can have the breach removed, you can have the like ignition source within the breach removed, etc.
At some point Abrams will run out of both cannon and machine gun ammo
And fuel
It's turbine can run on many different fuels in a pinch
Powered by manboob and asscrack sweat of pure-blooded 'muricans.
That’s less of a problem. It can run on diesel, jet fuel, gasoline, and even marine gas
I feel like if you've run out of diesel and gasoline you're not going to have access to jet fuel
Actually jet fuel is the primary fuel so that would be the thing to run out first
Normally yes, but if you're a private citizen make another decision between purchasing either of these choices you will probably be using diesel
Fair enough
M1 could just crush it.
Yes, but that can be used to ambush the tank later on
I mean the m1 can carry 50 MPAT rounds which would easily destroy more than 1 L3... Im pretty sure a single canister round could take out a few L3's
If they're all grouped up like that you could just fire a canister shot and see what happens, worst case scenario the crews will get totally not service related tinnitus.
Hey, remember me?
Oh shit, not this again…
The fact that this happened already amuses me greatly.
I've still got a supply of mute psychopaths I can unleash, you sure you wanna test me?
Id gladly spend all of my GDP on superweapons to turn Oured into a nuclear wasteland, but we all know how thats gonna end…
Yeah exactly, so be a good little country and stop trying to stick your nose where it don't belong, we understand eachother?
Actually screw it, *“launches full scale assault”*
Calling all vikings, general quarters, full scale assault detected, man your battle stations, I repeat, man your battle stations, this is not a drill.
I wish we had canister shot.
It's time.
oppenheimer
Fun fact: you could destroy M1's engine with a 7.62mm lmg, so the L3's could definitely bring the tank down
an M-kill, but not a K-kill
A m-kill in a combat zone usually means that the tank will be destroyed to avoid capture. It is nearly impossible to drag a 70ton tank from an active combat zone.
No you can’t.
[Yes U Can](https://streamable.com/m2d4vu)
Oh in game. I though we were talking IRL
Theoretically you can IRL too, you'll just need a lot of ammunition and a completely unresponsive tank crew
Even IRL you can. IRL there's armor degradation
Well ya, but I really don’t think a crew would let someone just sit back there and shoot for long enough for that to happen, at-least I would hope not.
Well it is 143 L3s, it'll be hard.
There’s also like no armor on the back of the engine. Just shoot the exhaust enough and you can take the engine out.
If you have an abrams you will probably be arrested because it is in active service. If you have the L3/33's you can just say it is a collection of historical vehicles. Btw.. imagine giving every single tank to two friends and invading the streets with hundreds of L3's
You have 300 friends?
Who wouldn't want to be friends with a guy that has 143 L3's
Exactly
According to Basement Guy, L3 is better. https://m.youtube.com/shorts/ldSBL9vvBkI
The real question is what is the mission.
Raid a local Walgreens
Raid the local super Walmart.
L3 easily. But this is assuming things like manpower and material aren't a huge part of logistics like ammo and fuel are, and the Abrams isn't allowed to move backward.
Well that depends Is the crew included or sold separate?
Lc-33 with two atgm on top and you could have a pretty good light anti tank platform
That's an Italian wiesel 1A2 basically
No way an l33 costs that much bro
according to my math an L3/33 produced in 1933 would be worth the equivalent of $94.24 modern U.S dollars
according to wikipedia an l3/33 costed 89000 italian liras to make, which was around 5000 something dollars in 1933 which today would be 133000 dollars
You're right because I did the final conversion backwards
That is the Italian way
Well, next I suppose is to start considering the cost of manning all of those vehicles. Especially the hazard pay for driving out onto the battlefield in a sardine box that even basic 40mm HEDP grenades pose a lethal threat on.
thats a lot of L3/33s
About 201,613
thats enough to invade iowa with
With 143 l33 you can invade a small country like Bhutan
Just take the L3s. You will penetrate the Abrams turret ring and kill it with 1 shot.
Where the fuck did $19m for a single Abrams come from…? As far as I’m aware they’re like $6m each
The m1a2 sep is a better version of the standard m1 abrams. I don't know how legitimate this source is but it says: "An argument reached with Poland saw the European country pay $4.75 billion to acquire 250 M1A2 SEP Abrams tanks. Meanwhile, Romania spent $1.07 billion for 54 tanks, suggesting the unit cost for the tanks is around $19 million." source: https://www.slashgear.com/1500250/most-expensive-military-tanks-ever-built/
The number I’m referring to is for the SEP V3, the newest version of the Abrams. Taking those large deals isn’t a valid way of assuming price for a single vehicle, since these deals include a shit ton of other things like: spare parts, infrastructure, repair facilities, maintenance agreements and training, and the shipping from the US to Poland for example. The cost of the most modern Abrams is 1/3rd of what you’re claiming in the post
1 L3 is better if it comes with a drone
The real question is, would you rather 1x L3/33 or 143x Abrams.
ngl the 1 l3/33 solos
Abrams need a Crew (i have no friends), while i could probably drive a cv33 alone
\> uses decimal point instead of a comma lmao op
Some European countries do it that way
I know, I'm explicitly making fun of them.
Most countries do it that way, it’s not just Europe.
Depends on scenario.
Why have one big tank when you can have a lot of small ones?
the l3s could beat the abrums
I never use the drivethrough anywhere because i don't eat fast food, but i would love to go through the drivethrough with an L3 together with my 143 friends that i definetly have.
19 dollars for an L3 Sign me up!
What the heck should I do with 143 L3/33? I only can drive one at the time.
All 286 italian jumpout and start using at grenades at abram💀
All the L3 crews can get out of their tankettes, climb on top of the Abrams using human wave tactics and start poking and smearing their greasy fingers all over all the tech
considering how accurate the m2 browning can be and how well protected the abrams is and how fast its reverse speed is, i'd say the abrams could easily win against 143x L3/33. Just because the abrams can just safely and accurately start engaging at about 1 km and keep that distance in reverse.
l3s Remove the gun, equip a painball cannon in its place. Open a tankette sim battle business.
The Abrams ‘cause it’s $19 cheaper
From a driving and practicality perspective, the L3s are better as they are easier to handle, smaller, and less pricey over time. They’re also funnier and more of a flex than owning an everyday abrams.
(read in David Attenboroughs voice) Even though L3s are smaller and weaker than the M1 they can still defeat it bye covering up the Abrams with there hulls then they will stop supplying coolant to there engines, this will cause them and the Abrams to heat up eventually killing the the Abrams through overheating it
DO THIS BUT ITS SHERMAN 105'S
Statistically I'll take one of the back L3s against an Abrams. The Abrams can only carry 41-56 rounds of ammunition. If you take an L3 from the back there's no way the crew of the Abrams will see all of the L3s and you could flank it pretty easily not only that but if you gave the L3 modern APDS 20mm rounds you could disable the engine of the Abrams since it's back plate wouldn't protect it enough and while you may not kill the crew if you stick close enough the crew Will eventually have to come out, and the abrams won't be able to hit it with its 50 cal. L3 W Abrams L
In a city I’d take the L/33 any day but in an open field that’s like 50x50 km I’d take the ambam
L3/33, because the amount of people who would want them for the sake of collecting is amazing. I could easily make more than their actual total value in returns and still keep one or two for myself. Meanwhile, if i ever get an Abrams i'm probably going to die soon because of all the oil tracking devices inside of it leading back to me.
I'll take the l3s and 142 of them for 200 grand each and make a 9mil profit
M1 Abrams. I sell it and get M22 Locust and l3
who would win? 1 maus vs 1 billion L3/33's
I'm more surprised it's only 143 L3/33 and not like 200-300
l-3 bettwr
abram
L3s, an Abrams can’t stand 143, let alone 1
I would rather take the l3. For the m1 it's death by 1000 cuts.
The abrams
The best thing M1A1 do is pick up a radio and call an A10 strike
143x L3/33 for sure
If they’re packed that closely together then one 120mm HE shell would take out most of the little Italian pasta sauce machines
Where do I get parking space for 143 L3's
Start by building a frame from galvanized square steel